lore-discussion

[worthy rose]

They got shit on and from that destruction they became even better economically than ever before as well as increasing innovation and technology

Doomfist I'd assume want a historically bad event to trigger similar growth instead of letting humanity almost plateau

cause complacency I guess is bad and against his ideology

[chrome oak]

Ok because i was reading an overwatch twitter mini story thing from @peak escarp and ana said that to 76 and 76 replied “you sound just like angela”

[flint briar]

sounds well written, based on that.

but anyways yea. Doomfist is the "peace = stagnation" type.

[worthy rose]

Also it's okay

Like it's good but besides a couple key details they didn't really do much

Like Reyes having a family, Mercy being close to egypt, and Egypt being kinda crapped on and being scavenged on by Hakim

And of course the one thing everyone blew the hell up over, that soldier 76 had a boyfriend and Ana roofied him to let him sleep

[peak escarp]

it gave us more detail on Jack and Ana's personalities

Jack is childish, and will try to pout his way out of trouble

Ana's not a great cook or a very good nurse

[flint briar]

is this the Bastet story?

[peak escarp]

yes

[flint briar]

i personally enjoyed that one quite a bit

[peak escarp]

it also told us that Pharah hasn't responded to the letter Ana wrote to her

[worthy rose]

Bright side, we know pharah knows Ana is alive now, probably and it confirms in the new year comic that the family reaper was stalking is likely his kid's family

whether it's the son or daughter he was looking at no idea but I don't think it really matters all that much

[inner galleon]

I want a mercy cinematic, i just feel like it would belong since shes such an iconic hero

[worthy rose]

If they're doing set up for the heroes, then probably? Unless she's coming in phase 2

[supple bear]

What's the relationship between the Omnica Corp. and SST Laboratories?

[inner galleon]

Im pretty sure sst labs made bastion units

[supple bear]

sst built the units while omnica built the omniums?

[inner galleon]

Im pretty sure they only made bastion units

I know omnica was one of the prime reasons for the omnic crisis though

[limpid agate]

@supple bear @inner galleon Omnica made the Omniums, which were self improving factories that mass produced Omnics.

SST Labrotories was a tech company that built robots such as the Bastion peacekeepers.

Omniums, during the time of the crisis, took the Bastion design and further weaponized it

No one makes Bastions anymore because they were a symbol of the crisis

[supple bear]

ok thx

Do we have a guess for the amount of time that passed between when Omnica was dissolved and when the omniums re-activated?

[inner galleon]

@limpid agate thats what i was thinking but wasnt sure

[limpid agate]

Maybe a decade?

[supple bear]

what makes you think that?

[limpid agate]

!!loreText

[twilit nacelle]

Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM

News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr

Documents:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9

Travel Guides:
Oasis: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq

[limpid agate]

Lemme check Overwatch is Back

What came next is well-documented. The omniums began to break down. Independent analysis showed they would never come close to meeting the corporation's promises of growth and output. Omnica was investigated and forcibly dissolved after evidence of fraud was uncovered, its omniums shut down.

That is why it came as such a surprise when these defunct, dismantled omniums woke themselves back up and immediately launched a military campaign against all of humanity.

I'd say a decade is a good time for the company to be shut down.

There are companies that have been producing stuff for omnics since the 20s

And the game is projected to take place in the 70s

Meaning the war would be 40s

[supple bear]

seems reasonable

[tawdry shadow]

Oh yeah yeah

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting @tawdry shadow

[twilit nacelle]

@tawdry shadow Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[tawdry shadow]

It’s my religion

[limpid agate]

Final warning

[tawdry shadow]

You can’t ban me for doing what my religion says

Shut the hell ur mouth

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards.

[pliant sparrow]

So in Bastet was reaper working for talon or was he doing something else?

[limpid agate]

Reaper isn't in Bastet

Bastet takes place after Old Soldiers

Which is when he is in Talon

[pliant sparrow]

Ohhhh

Thanks for clearing that up

[fringe blade]

When Mcree addresses Echo as 'partner', I don't think it necessarily means they were actual partners previously

I think that in the South, partner is used the same way as we use friend or buddy

[peak escarp]

maybe

but he hasn't used "partner" for anyone else

which you would expect if it was just slang

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

what?

[limpid agate]

What does that have to do with Overwatch and its lore

Nothing.

[worthy rose]

ok fine... Sorry...

I mean in all fairness Overwatch wouldn't exist if D-Day didn't happen...

That's some heavy lore... In the grander Story Arch...

[limpid agate]

Final warning.

It's not relevant

[worthy rose]

ok fine sheesh

I'll see my way out

[hasty surge]

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByWLCgEIlMP/?igshid=dl7i8c8d6ui6

Is that liao beside rein?

[worthy rose]

Assumingly

We don’t know much about liao other than they were one of the first early members

So very likely that is liao but no confirmation and no confirmation if they chose to keep the design that way

Also likely to be a medic of sorts or sojourn being a medic because otherwise players wouldn’t get archives with the original members and we’d be stuck with mercy the entire time which I dont think anyone wants all the time.

[candid basin]

where is the funny channel?

[flint briar]

i think that kinda merged with general chat

[supple bear]

How long was the first Omnic Crisis?

[worthy rose]

Rough estimate. If we are going with the idea that overwatch was around for 20 years in their golden age and if we are right that the current time line takes place in 2070s
Then probably a decade or so?
Current setting: 2070s
5 years ago overwatch shut down
Overwatch around for 20 years
This time frame to roughly
2016- 2040’s?-2050’s?

We just need a timeline of when omnica shut down and we should more or less be good

We do know that soldier and reaper were enhanced with super soldier juice when they were like 18-20 and if jack is like in his 50’s I’d say the war probably took place in the 2020’s to 2040’s?

Unless america had the juices stored

Thats assuming our assumptions are correct

[supple bear]

my only source was a wiki and idk how reliable that is
on its timeline page, it listed that the omnic crisis started 30 yrs ago and was declared over 26 years ago
but on its omnic crisis page it says that it was a decade long period of war

[worthy rose]

Look at the gamepedia. Much more helpful with sources cited

[hazy vortex]

Tbh mentioning D-day and getting banned for it is a bit off. Whilst technically shit posting it is the anniversary around this time I think you could have just warned him off as it is a sensitive topic

[worthy rose]

Soldier is in his mid to late 50’s
Game takes place in 2070’s
Soldier got enhanced in his 18-20’s meaning it probably took place place maybe 2030’s-2040’s leaving room for the golden age up to the 2060’s

If he wanted to bring it up then he could have done so in general.

Doing it here shows either idiocy or a lack of respect for what this specific channel was made for I’d assume

[supple bear]

does the gamepedia definitively say the length of time?

[peak escarp]

Soldier didn't get enhanced at 18-20

he enlisted at 18

the omnic crisis happened 30 years before OW present day

so if present day is the 2070s, the omnic crisis was in the 2040s

based on various sources, the crisis lasted about 5 years

[foggy notch]

Why do people brag about the timeline

Who cares?!

[peak escarp]

knowing when things happen is an interesting part of the lore

[foggy notch]

Cause and consequences are more important I think

[peak escarp]

it's not really a matter of importance

I just enjoy figuring out timelines

[foggy notch]

Thats ur interest then no argue in that

[worthy rose]

Where is the bragging?

We’re literally just trying to piece together when crap happened to get a bigger picture spot of know what leads to what

[hazy vortex]

If you start a boycott against blizzard they'd probably tell you

Because haven't they realeased a statement saying they are nearly ready to return to the present day in the OW universe to continue lore

[uneven solstice]

is rein the oldest?

[peak escarp]

yes

he's 61

[uneven solstice]

wow O_O

thx

[hazy vortex]

Insert UwU

[worthy rose]

I do love the HC that baby reinhardt was born in 2016

Same year overwatch launched

[uneven solstice]

i love that XD

[worthy rose]

Sadly as most games

They’re afraid of putting a concrete timeline

Cause

Leeway for writers so they dont have issues with stuff

My own theory tho

[peak escarp]

the more concrete information, the more they have to retcon to fit in new information

you're right though

if they leave things vague, they have room to say things like "Moira was there all along"

[uneven solstice]

i love lore though 😦 its always interesting to read new theories

[worthy rose]

I like theories as long as their logic is sound

[peak escarp]

that's the main reason the First Strike comic got cancelled despite being basically finished

they decided to leave things vague

[worthy rose]

How much more concrete did they make it that they couldn’t just redo text panels?

I assume you’ve read it doc?

And if not can you send what you do have on it?

[peak escarp]

the whole thing hasn't been released

but there's a few pages floating around

[worthy rose]

Now that looks like a fun scene and also a damn good archives event

Hmm...

[peak escarp]

part of the inconsistency is Rein's appearance

he looks old here

he should look like he does in Honor and Glory

[worthy rose]

Could it be possible that Liao is the omnic?

Also yea I gotcha

[peak escarp]

leading theory is that Liao is the woman with grey/silver hair at the bottom

[worthy rose]

Who would we assume the omnic is then

Cause I assume not every omnic that looks like zen went psycho killer robot like the bastions or OR-14

[peak escarp]

there were probably civilian omnics

[worthy rose]

But wouldn’t civilian like omnics also like be able to help? Maybe the omnic came from that specific omnium or has an idea about how it works or where it goes?

[peak escarp]

maybe

but I don't think people would trust them

[worthy rose]

True

[peak escarp]

think of other groups of enemy civilians during wars - what happens to them? they get put away in camps and excluded from anything involving the war

[worthy rose]

I’m kinda looking at that omnic the same way as like a nazi deserter would appear

Or like wouldn’t it be that the omnics appear to be just robots and thus in a robot rebellion of sorts

Wouldn’t it be just like scrap them?

Cause at that point I dont think they were considered ppl

[peak escarp]

I don't know

a lot of the vagueness in the lore is involving the omnic crisis

[clear river]

yt ya boi wade

[hazy vortex]

Is that a shitpost?

[foggy notch]

Do we know why moira got her eye like that?

I mean her blackwatch skin doesnt have it

[peak escarp]

like what

with the plate on it?

[worthy rose]

You mean dichromatic?

Or the plate?

[peak escarp]

she was likely born with heterochromia

which might have prompted her curiosity into genetics

[supple bear]

so if omnic crisis occurred in 2040s, then which decade did Omnica begin building omniums?

2020s?

[worthy rose]

Assumingly earlier?

Based on how first strike looked

Omniums were damn huge

[peak escarp]

we don't know much about the timeline of Omnica

[worthy rose]

And to have one in every major country is not an easy feat to do in a couple years

Let alone mass producing so many they make up what I assume to be a good chunk of the population

I’m basing this off Zarya’s searching and how they seem everywhere from dorado, to the shimada clan, to celebrities in hollywood, and of course numbani

Ashe’s gang has omnics besides Bob as well

So that leads me to believe they were around for awhile

I more so wanna know about the south china sea omnium cause that one is seemingly still open which shouldn’t be the case if overwatch was tasked with shutting all of them down

[foggy notch]

Theres this silver thing around her left eye

[worthy rose]

The plate thing?

I assume just a design choice for her outfit or something

Her anniversary one is a reference to dragon ball z

[peak escarp]

not really

it was on her sprays, and seen in her origin trailer

[foggy notch]

But on blackwatch she doesnt have it

[peak escarp]

now THIS is a Dragonball reference

the plate on Moira's face seems to be just decorative

[foggy notch]

As genjis red eyes in retribution?

[worthy rose]

Those were probably there just for dramatic effect as well as to show that genji’s eyes were likely severely damaged by Hanzo as well to show that the eyes were likely prosthetics as well

Genji did lose his feet and I assume an Arm to Hanzo as well as having scars on his face so I wouldnt put it past Hanzo to not go for the eyes

[foggy notch]

Thats unlikely

I mean a cut that deep to eye could be fatal

And as we see in the dragons cinematic they r brown pale and sick

Not the sharp red we see on retribution

Anyways genji on blackwatch seems really creepy rather than the genji we all know

Though its highly unlikely that hanzo had "cut" a leg and an arm

Cause on hanamura theres a slash of blood on the writing

Likely a cut

But not that huge of a cut though

Otherwise the whole ground would be covered in blood

[peak escarp]

it was probably cleaned up

the scroll was probably kept as-is because it was unique and couldn't be cleaned

remember, Hanamura is like 10 years after their fight

[foggy notch]

I know but if it was cleaned then that writing couldve been replaced too

I mean shimada clan doesnt seem to be short in money

[peak escarp]

some things can't be replaced

[foggy notch]

Meh I dont think thats the issue

There a cut and a slash of blood

And its his brother

He wont cut him into pieces

Thats dumb

[peak escarp]

well regardless of how Hanzo actually injured him, he did lose an arm and both legs

[foggy notch]

I wont say hanzo did it

[worthy rose]

I’m saying he got stabbed in the eye as well

He did do it

[foggy notch]

But thats good to know

[worthy rose]

The arm and leg thing for sure he did it

Scars on the face too

Thats not even up for debate

[foggy notch]

But how do u say he lost two legs and an arm?

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp you wanna take this over?

[foggy notch]

I completely disagree and I wont continue this conversation lol

[worthy rose]

I dont have all the evidence stored on my person like you do

[foggy notch]

Cause hanzo aint a maniac

[peak escarp]

look at his knees

[foggy notch]

Or a serial killer

[peak escarp]

those are not human joints

and he has shuriken stored inside his right arm, so that's not flesh either

[worthy rose]

Did you not even read the thing about their last battle with eachother before genji was forced into blackwatch?

Or the guilt he felt that made him go awol from the shimada clan?

[foggy notch]

Maybe the thighs are intact

[peak escarp]

Following the clan leader's untimely death, Genji's older brother, Hanzo, demanded that Genji take a more active role in their late father's empire. Genji refused, enraging Hanzo. The tension between the brothers built to a violent confrontation that left Genji on the verge of dying.

[worthy rose]

Still cut off his damn legs

[foggy notch]

But theres no evidence on how he lost them is there

[peak escarp]

Upon the death of his father, the clan elders instructed Hanzo to straighten out his wayward younger brother so that he, too, might help rule the Shimada empire. When his brother refused, Hanzo was forced to kill him. This act broke Hanzo's heart and drove him to reject his father's legacy, ultimately leading him to abandon the clan and all that he had worked so hard to attain.

[foggy notch]

Yea doc ive read them before

[worthy rose]

Sorry yea, the cyborg ninja lost them in a terrible car accident after he was nearly killed by his brother who thought he killed him

[foggy notch]

Genji died almost by hanzo

True no doubt

But those things those augmentation aint for the battle

[peak escarp]

then what is this whole argument about?

[foggy notch]

I mean not all of them

Sword fight

Always ends up with a huge cut

Thats it

The opponent goes on the ground

Not like cutting legs cutting arm cutting eyes

And only a small stain of blood

[worthy rose]

Dude you’re being stubbornly in denial if you genuinely do not think Hanzo was responsible for genji’s body needing the prosthetic in the first place.

There is a literal voice line in retribution where Genji is asked why he joined blackwatch and his response was so that he could walk again.

[peak escarp]

facts:

• Hanzo was forced to kill his brother after he wouldn't fall in line
• Hanzo used a sword
• there is evidence on the Hanamura map suggesting a single powerful slash
• Genji is missing both legs above the knees and his right arm.

[foggy notch]

And as u can see theres not much lore about it given

[worthy rose]

That is very indicative that hanzo fucked genji up to the point where he could not walk

[foggy notch]

So all these r assumptions

[peak escarp]

• Genji's lower torso is intact

[foggy notch]

For all we know hanzo almost killed genji thats all

[worthy rose]

He did kill genji

He thought he did anyway

Until genji was rescued

And then put back together in the blackwatch form we see then

[foggy notch]

@worthy rose buddy

U r only making assumptions

[peak escarp]

so are you

[foggy notch]

Im not saying anything

!

[worthy rose]

No dude ur being stupidly stubborn

[peak escarp]

you are assuming Hanzo couldn't/didn't cut off Genji's arm and legs

[foggy notch]

Im saying hanzo almost killed genji

And thats what we all know

Period

[peak escarp]

yes

[foggy notch]

Other than that are just assumptions

[peak escarp]

that's what is confirmed

[foggy notch]

Yea exactly

[peak escarp]

but based on what we know, it is likely that Genji lost his limbs in the same fight

[foggy notch]

U say hanzo cut it I'll say there was a car accident while genji was being rescued

[worthy rose]

You are saying “hanzo didnt fuck over genji and take an arm and leg” when genji himself said he joined blackwatch so he could walk again implying he couldnt at the start and he was only in overwatch custody after being rescued. Unless you really want me to believe hanzo fought genji who was crippled already

[foggy notch]

Nothing has been approved

U cant blame me for saying that

U get what I mean?

@peak escarp yea "likely"

[worthy rose]

You are being an actual dumb ass rn and I refuse to deal with your troll ass

[foggy notch]

So all these are just assumptions

[peak escarp]

yes

[foggy notch]

It hasnt been approved

[peak escarp]

I never said they weren't assumptions

[foggy notch]

Thats it

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose That's not very nice

[peak escarp]

I don't think anyone said they weren't assumtions

[limpid agate]

What's the subject

[foggy notch]

Thanks for being reasonable

[peak escarp]

discussing when Genji lost his legs/arm

[foggy notch]

Well this other guy talk likr his been in the field when genji died

[peak escarp]

it's likely they were severed in his fight with Hanzo, although that isn't confirmed

[foggy notch]

But actually I didnt read a single word of what he said lol

[limpid agate]

Should have been lost thanks yo his battle with Hanzo given the circumstances

[foggy notch]

Likely

[limpid agate]

!!loreHeroes Genji

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Genji#story

[limpid agate]

Its lowercase fucj

[peak escarp]

maybe if you read what he said then you'd know that he was basically agreeing with you

[limpid agate]

!!loreHeroes genji

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/genji#story

[foggy notch]

Tnx @limpid agate

Tnx @peak escarp

[limpid agate]

Genji refused, enraging Hanzo. The tension between the brothers built to a violent confrontation that left Genji on the verge of dying If he lost his limbs anytime, sounds like this

[worthy rose]

@limpid agate he saying he doesnt beliebe genji lost his arm and legs to hanzo only because he thinks hanzo wouldnt do that with no other evidence. Then constantly defaults to “BUT IT WASN’T CONFIRMED! He could have been crippled due to whatever before the battle” and I’m taking this as he’s trolling

[limpid agate]

No excuse to call someone a dumbass

[worthy rose]

I think plenty if he basically is trolling

[limpid agate]

It takes time distinguish between trolling, stubborn and wrong, and dumb

Sounds to me like the second

[peak escarp]

when someone says "it wasn't confirmed" and it hasn't been confirmed, then you just agree and move on

[foggy notch]

The only thing said is that genji was on the verge of dying

[peak escarp]

if it has been confirmed, then provide sources

[foggy notch]

Nothin about losing anything

[peak escarp]

the fact remains that he is missing limbs

[foggy notch]

Doc now u are talking my language

[peak escarp]

and it's unlikely that he lost those limbs at a different time

[foggy notch]

Provide the source was the best thing brought up here!

[peak escarp]

just because the bios don't mention something doesn't mean it didn't happen

Ashe's bio doesn't mention the Overwatch sting operation that got McCree busted

Mercy's bio doesn't mention rescuing Genji

[limpid agate]

Balderich doesn't exist in Rein's

Nor his retirement being forced

Or Brigitte

[foggy notch]

Hmm interesting.

[limpid agate]

The bios are lacking in details

[foggy notch]

Genji lost his other arm too?

I mean in storm rising its the original skin that we know

So do we assume that he lost that too?

[peak escarp]

it could be armor plated

[limpid agate]

He might still have his left

[valid shell]

He probably got it removed.

[worthy rose]

I think the genji voice line is plenty of evidence because of the following reasons.

1. It signals that at the time of joining blackwatch, he could not walk and since he doesnt have any feet, I’m taking it as he was fucked up in a serious incident.
2. If genji was crippled prior, then why did he not get legs since the Shimada clan seems to have had money with them being a criminal organization and all which I’m taking to mean he had use of his arms and legs before joining blackwatch.
   That puts it in an extremely tight timeframe to lose arms with it extremely pointing at the battle with Hanzo. Unless you wanna claim that he was ran over by a car while or after being rescued by people

[peak escarp]

with flesh underneath

[limpid agate]

We only know his lost his legs and right arm

[peak escarp]

Kaeore

"I wanted to walk again" could have meant that his spine was severed

and he was paralyzed

with healthy but otherwise useless legs

[worthy rose]

He literally has cyber toes on the black watch skin

[peak escarp]

yes

[limpid agate]

Could be amputated

[peak escarp]

they could have been amputated afterwards

you have to consider other possibilities

[worthy rose]

Would him having to get his body amputated, still not be indicative to “It’s hanzo’s fault that he is the way he is currently?”

[peak escarp]

all we know is, somewhere between his fight with Hanzo and when we first see him in his Blackwatch body (earliest being when Reyes recruits Moira) he lost his limbs

[worthy rose]

The semantics don’t matter in this regard if the result is still the same here

[peak escarp]

one way or another, yes, it is Hanzo's fault

getting too attached to one explanation is how common misconceptions happen

[worthy rose]

We are literally arguing over the semantics of how much of genji was fucked up by hanzo when the ending result answer is “Hanzo fucked over genji severely either personally dismembering his brother or hurting him so badly he required amputation and prosthetics. “ in which case adds nothing because the result is the same and we learned nothing. Other guy wants to believe in every answer but the one where Hanzo was responsible for genji’s prosthetics and would rather believe he was in a car accident or something else

Yes. Michael chu wrote genji to be fully recovered, only to let him go, get in a car crash and then come back to blackwatch with new prosthetics

Totally

Absolutely

[peak escarp]

what are you talking about

he isn't suggesting that

[worthy rose]

Or would you rather me take the other option where genji was crippled prior to the battle and hanzo demanded that his crippled younger brother take a more action oriented role.

[peak escarp]

nobody is suggesting that

we know Genji was ablebodied before his fight with Hanzo

Buggy was just clarifying that it was never confirmed that Hanzo cut off his limbs

[peak escarp]

he agreed that it was likely

[worthy rose]

Yes Genji totally was run over by a hover car

[peak escarp]

he was being facetious

much like you are now

[worthy rose]

I’m done here

Let me know when something worthwhile pops up worth discussing

[peak escarp]

I wonder what "Overwatch 2" will mean for the future of the lore

[ocean inlet]

probably nothing

[peak escarp]

if the rumor is true and it's a PvE game, then it could be heavily lore-based

[half pasture]

Jason Schreier is usually pretty accurate

I guess we'll find out at blizzcon

[ocean inlet]

wasn't it a meme?

[half pasture]

no

Kotaku has a full story and I know people don't like them but again Jason Schreier is pretty accurate

[ocean inlet]

oh

then nvm

[peak escarp]

even if it does get announced at Blizzcon, it'll still be a couple years for it to be released

[ocean inlet]

this isnt very important but the academy dva skin has a different hair color then what current dva does

can we assume that she dyed her hair

[peak escarp]

maybe

do Koreans naturally have brown hair?

[ocean inlet]

no idea

have we ever seen kid dva besides the halloween spray?

[peak escarp]

her hair is darker here

[ocean inlet]

yeah

could've darkened over time but im not an expert on hair

maybe she wanted to get a closer color to her original hair color after the academy hair

which is why it isnt the exact same

it depends on which hair color is the natural hair color

[desert hawk]

what are those squid like things?

[peak escarp]

squid like things?

these?

[peak escarp]

they're Gwishin

[flint briar]

the might be talking about the Pachimari

[peak escarp]

oh

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting @smoky palm

[twilit nacelle]

@smoky palm Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[fringe blade]

Do we know why Mcree left the Deadlock Gang?

And honestly, I still feel like Ashe and McCree were romantically involved at some point, or were really, really good friends

[peak escarp]

he got busted by Overwatch in a sting operation

and he was given the option of "join Blackwatch or go to jail"

[fringe blade]

Ah

[peak escarp]

Ashe and McCree were never romantically involved, but they were good friends

and (I think) Ashe had some unrequited feelings for McCree

[fringe blade]

I mean, she kept a photo of her and him on her bike for like 2-3 decades

[peak escarp]

that's why I think she had feelings for him

but he says she isn't his type

[fringe blade]

And the way she greets him, it doesn't seem right

'Jesse McCree, been a while. You promised you'd write.'

Doesn't seem like the way to greet someone who you hate for 'betraying' you

[peak escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Je25S8xp8

she says she hates him

but even Bob can see what's up

[fringe blade]

It was confirmed by Chu they weren't ever dating, but it doesn't mean that one or both didn't have feelings

[peak escarp]

right

[fringe blade]

Also, if Chu says something on Twitter, we consider it canon, right?

[peak escarp]

yes

[fringe blade]

I am just rewatching the short, and I noticed a little detail. On the picture, you can see that it is almost torn in half, but at the last moment, I guess she reconsidered. Wish I could post a pic

[peak escarp]

it does look like it was taped back together

[fringe blade]

I mean, i guess it could also have been folded

[peak escarp]

maybe she tore it up after he betrayed the gang

you can see the tape on it

[fringe blade]

Ah

mb

She even cut out BOB, making it exclusively of her and McCree

Have you heard about the supposed new OW game?

[peak escarp]

there's not much to hear

just that another Overwatch game is likely to be announced at Blizzcon, and it's rumored to be a PvE game in the style of Left 4 Dead

[limpid agate]

That looks like a tear

More than a fold

Folds are usually straight lines

[fringe blade]

Yea, and as Doc pointed out, you can see the tape

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

Imagine if they added a hero a day

that would be insanitty

[peak escarp]

that wouldn't be sustainable

[limpid agate]

That would be impossible

It is insanity, but not for positive reasons

It would be insanity because you would just be releasing the same hero 50 times, but a different colour

[worthy rose]

ooo

you know eco right?

she was in the very first concept art way back then ;3

[limpid agate]

Echo was Iris in that concept art, yes

!!wiki Echo

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Echo

[worthy rose]

when i saw her in the ashe trailer i was like "I've seen her somewhere before"

[chilly peak]

Hey. Just my thoughts on "Overwatch 2". Recently we have learnt that Blizzard compares its universe to MCU, and we are close to Avengers-like moment. I think "Overwatch 2" isn't about the game, but this universe is about to enter its Phase 2.

[iron plume]

if they’re making a big enough deal about an overwatch change to call it ow2, it won’t be primarily about lore

but it could happen as part of it

[chilly peak]

Yes, a huge overhaul of everything. 3CP, role queue, different ranks, clans, you name it. AND PvE mode with per hero leveling and talent trees 😍

[foggy notch]

Is there a reason that zen has 9 dots on his forehead?

[unkempt trail]

The nine dots on Zen's head refers to the Jieba - 9 dots inscribed on a shaolin monk's forehead - that symbolize that the monk has finished his training

[foggy notch]

Is it related to meditation stuff?

Like the body has nine chakras

[unkempt trail]

Each of the dots represent a fundamental lesson in the shaolin teachings that the monk has mastered

There are also examples of them being used in Buddhism with similar symbolism, or just decorative

[foggy notch]

Nice tnx bud

[hollow notch]

https://discord.gift/FkPamnpdMq3CGn3G

[fringe blade]

The guy who revealed OW2 in the first place said it will be primarily PVE

[prisma wren]

ow2 is athing now?

[peak escarp]

it's a rumor

[fringe blade]

It wasn't revealed by an official Blizzard employee, so just a rumour

I wonder, I was just rewatching Honor and Glory, but why wasn't Reinhardt hurt more because of the cut?

Their swords must be helluva hot and sharp, since they pierced the armor

So it should've went in quite far, but seemed to just barely graze the eye

[peak escarp]

it was just a grazing blow

[fringe blade]

It actually looks hot enough that it cauterized the wound while it made the cut

But then it doesn't make sense, why didn't the OR14 just go for the killing blow?

[peak escarp]

because plot

Reinhardt had to live

[worthy rose]

I mean u asking that is like asking why omniums didnt use chemical weapons to destroy humanity when they’re robots

[limpid agate]

@iron plume It's not called OW2

[iron plume]

it’s not called anything yet

i’m working within the framework that guy set

[limpid agate]

The framework is

[iron plume]

if it’s a hots-ish “ow 2.0” it will be a big change in gameplay first and foremost

[limpid agate]

Second Overwatch Game

[warm cargo]

wow

[iron plume]

you wanna reply to any of the actual substance in my messag, feel free

[limpid agate]

Your message was based on the suggestion that it is Overwatch 2

My response is that's not wholly accurate given the context

And was just a misleading headline

It can be anything

[iron plume]

the person i’m replying to is suggesting the “anything” is a big overhaul

which it might well be

and i laid out my thoughts on that

again if you wanna respond to those, by all means

[limpid agate]

I'll say they whatever it is, whether it's progression of lore or not

It's a new game

[peak escarp]

it's hard to imagine they'd make a new game and not put any new lore in it

[iron plume]

probably ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid agate]

Hearthstone/HotS

[peak escarp]

Heroes of the Storm has its own lore

[limpid agate]

Both were lacking severely at launch

Nowadays that's different

[peak escarp]

my point still stands

they'll add lore to the new game

[frosty shell]

As for why the OR14 didn't kill Reinhardt

Maybe it just wanted to push Reinhardt back and not kill him yet

Also, what is that sword made of and where'd the OR-14 pull it from

The OR-14s aren't that fast so using a long weapon to knock an enemy back who is just out of reach makes sense

And I know the way that characters jump around Eichenwalde in Honor and Glory is inconsistent, but are there two OR-14s?

[peak escarp]

there were several

[frosty shell]

OK

[fringe blade]

I don't see any reason for them to not kill him tbh

But, like Doc said, it was for the plot

[frosty shell]

Pushing Reinhardt back was possibly more convenient at the time

But I digress there's no great reason

[limpid agate]

Reaper has an excuse

OR14s don't

[worthy rose]

That would be brutal

Just seeing it stab reinhardt repeatedly

[peak escarp]

we can try to find lore reasons for everything, but sometimes, it's just what has to happen to keep the story consistent

[fringe blade]

I mean, if it was a person, I would see some sort of moral dilemma, but its a robot

programmed to do something

but like Doc said, its for plot

[hazy vortex]

Perhaps just a misjudged swing or rein is just extra tough and resilient

Robots can make errors after all

[fringe blade]

True. I mean, if we were going into technicalities, if a blade is hot enough to cauterize a wound WHILE its cutting, I dont think it matters how tough you are. It would go through you like butter

[hazy vortex]

I was more geared towards the math error within the omnic rather than riens resilience

[hollow notch]

https://discord.gift/6gEV6bzsNc6fQarZ

^year

[tepid abyss]

@hollow notch why do you do this lmao surely you'd rather see who gets it

[iron plume]

also why here of all places

[fringe blade]

this guy just gifted 200 dollars worth of nitro

[peak escarp]

I wonder if Hanzo has anger management issues, and that's why telling Genji "straighten up and help lead the clan" turned into attempted murder

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp oof

[peak escarp]

that's not something a well-adjusted individual would resort to

he also seemed to fly off the handle in Dragons when he realized Genji wasn't dead

[half pasture]

Hanzo also seems (at least in Dragons) to be a relentless cynic where genji is an optimist

[worthy rose]

I mean

Hanzo was on his redemption path. Trying to honor his brother and right his wrongs

I honestly don't know his intent and such anymore

Like in the game there are voice lines where Doom and Widow try to get him to join their side in return, they'd help rebuild the shimada clan

which means either

Hanzo loves the clan still and wants to rebuild it, or widow and doom don't know his motivations at all

And Hanzo is a cynic cause he thought he did something that could never be forgiven and felt a lot of shame and guilt over it whereas genji is like "Bro. I forgive you. I need your help now. I believe you'll make the right choice"

[supple bear]

when did gabriel reyes first appear as Reaper

chronologically

i've seen some sources say it his first appearance was after the Switzerland HQ incident and some saying even before that

[fringe blade]

I mean, it would've been impossible for it to happen before

[peak escarp]

Reaper has existed for decades

[supple bear]

and what was the first time he made an appearance?

[peak escarp]

unknown

the first time chronologically that we see him is Recall

but that's 5 years after the Swiss HQ explosion

[supple bear]

So we know he's existed earlier that the Swiss HQ incident but we don't know what he did?

[half pasture]

just what's in his bio

[fringe blade]

I mean, I might be confused, but what do you mean 'existed before Swiss HQ'

Reaper is Reyes who was modified genetically by Moira

And Reyes was still very much Reyes during the Swiss HQ

I mean, unless she did the experiments to him before it, but that doesn't seem right

[half pasture]

we don't really know exactly what point reaper became reyes

er

reyes became reaper

I assume his facial deformity must be post the swiss incident

[hasty surge]

Or when did overwatch profile the villian reaper

[peak escarp]

according to Reaper's bio, he has been active for decades

that doesn't necessarily mean Reyes has been Reaper for decades

I like the theory that Reaper was an urban legend inspired by Reyes doing assassinations and whatnot for Blackwatch

and when Reyes needed a new persona, he just took up the name the public had unknowingly given him already

[foggy notch]

@half pasture how do u say he has facial deformity?

@peak escarp u mean we first saw him as reaper in recall?

And doc about hanzo as u have mentioned the other day, he didnt attempt to murder his brother, the clan somehow forced him to kill him

[fringe blade]

I mean, forced of not, he did 'murder' Genji

[floral herald]

yeah

[quasi anvil]

whats an overwatch

[worthy rose]

Overwatch is like if you took the avengers and mixed them with the UN and basically let them do good work.

[sinful citrus]

overwatch is good.

[worthy rose]

They are the main protagonists of the game yes

[worthy rose]

!!shitposting @granite robin

[twilit nacelle]

@granite robin Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[hazy vortex]

If ingrid were to be killed what would torbs reaction be?

[granite robin]

!!shitposting @worthy rose

[worthy rose]

I mean you can put me as shit posting all you want fam. The mods can see the messages, ur deleted ones too

@hazy vortex i assume pretty damn pissed off. Why?

[hazy vortex]

I was just wondered if he would go really dark and murder happy because that would be a real strange character concept

[worthy rose]

Uhh no? Torb seems pretty stable and hard in his ways. I doubt he’d go murder happy.

[flint briar]

yea, he'd be grieving for a while id imagine, but i doubt he'd turn to murder

[worthy rose]

But granted it does bring up to question who talon is willing to take as hostage cause they made Widowmaker into who she is because she was the wife of one of their biggest thorns

[peak escarp]

@foggy notch what I mean is, Recall is the earliest point in the timeline that we the audience see Reaper

[north marlin]

Tracer is the baby of Winston and Widowmaker who time traveled from an alternative dimension where she is married to a good doomfist, who also happens to be the loving father of Torbjörn.

[edgy nest]

that's hot

[north marlin]

And, Soldier and Reaper are secretly in love, and Reaper is pregnant with their twins, which is why he's so moody.

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @north marlin

[twilit nacelle]

@north marlin Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[cunning ledge]

baptiste was 30

and echo isn't 31

nor sojourn

[peak escarp]

dont expect anything for another 2-3 weeks

[cunning ledge]

my hopes are still on hamid or queen

but we don't have any real info

[hoary tendon]

akinjide adeyemi is 31

[peak escarp]

not likely @hoary tendon

[hazy vortex]

What is likely to be 31

[peak escarp]

the omnic from Storm Rising

or Hamid Faisal

or someone we haven't seen yet

[limpid agate]

@cunning ledge Pretty sure Queen was deconfirmwd for 31

[peak escarp]

Akinjide Adeyemi is unlikely because he's dead

[cunning ledge]

ah damn

guess it's all on hamid then

[peak escarp]

or the Storm Rising omnic

[cunning ledge]

I just mean like, personally

Rising Storm omnic seems quite likely out of the known options

[peak escarp]

then again, they could be saving him for something big

[peak escarp]

add you to what?

why?

[desert yacht]

What I would want for Overwatch 2 is a singleplayer story based game where you start off with only Winston and you get Tracer in the tutorial. I'd think of it as like a big map where doing missions unlocks other paths for more missions, and you can unlock other agents along the way via different methods. Maybe there could be archived missions thrown in there along the way where you'd have to unlock those agents to do those missions. Might be hard to visualize what I'm trying to say because I'm terrible at explaining ideas but I think it'd be cool.

[worthy rose]

It reminds me of the super smash bros ultimate world of light campaign

[desert yacht]

kinda like that

[worthy rose]

You start off as Kirby and gradually unlock everyone else

[frank pine]

honestly, I agree-

but I don't really want it to be like WOL , for the overworld part-

the customized situations would be pretty interesting-

[desert yacht]

but you wouldn't just be getting heroes by fighting them (yes i know i 100%ed it on hard), i mean you could have an encounter on some of them, but maybe some of them could join in the middle of a mission

[frank pine]

everyone's 100%ed WOL on hard

~~just because you don't have a life doesn't mean we do ~~

lmao

[desert yacht]

yeah that's fair

[frank pine]

nooffensebtw

[worthy rose]

I got smash last week...

Havent 100%ed yet

[desert yacht]

lets not turn this into a smash chat as much as i'd like to

[worthy rose]

On normal .-.

[desert yacht]

this is overwatch lore channel

[worthy rose]

Lol

[frank pine]

yeah-

I hope that they'd make you like-

Sometimes try certain heroes tho

for specific situations-

[worthy rose]

Yeah

[frank pine]

Like.. maybe suddenly a 1v1 widow duel-

or the next 'quest' or smth being you as a mercy trynna save a bad team-

[worthy rose]

Like a certain rule for a battle would be only snipers or only supports

[iron plume]

!!loreonly please and thank you

[worthy rose]

Or no heals

[twilit nacelle]

please This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[frank pine]

yeah, they're right-

[worthy rose]

Doesnt ow2 count as lore?

[peak mesa]

Shitposting? How dare you

[worthy rose]

It is the story mode part

[frank pine]

technically, we should move to #general-discussion

I think

[iron plume]

you're not talking about ow2 anymore

[desert yacht]

for the overwatch campaign it could be singleplayer with bots on your team or you could get friends to join you if they have the mission unlocked

[frank pine]

we are tho?

[desert yacht]

or, of course, randoms across the world

[frank pine]

first of all

boosting.

[desert yacht]

that's also a fair point we wouldn't want that

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/agg692/made_mockups_for_an_overwatch_story_mode_based_on/ this is the post i was looking for, i love this post

while they wouldnt have to do it like this because it wouldn't be an expansion, i still really like it

[peak mesa]

Wow, that is amazing

[limpid agate]

It looks pretty. The problems are more logistics, but it looks pretty.

[fringe blade]

I really hope that the author of that post pursues a career with Blizzard, because that looks awesome graphics wise

Has some issues with layout and font and such , but wow

[analog hare]

Can Genji piss or not?

[atomic edge]

Yea he has a switch to piss

[worthy rose]

One thing I think a lot of people missed about Baptiste

In the events if people go down to the assassin, they usually go "GET HER OFF" or something of the sort

Baptiste: "SHOOT HER"

[desert yacht]

does genji still have a bladder?

[worthy rose]

my man is the fastest to say "no just fucking shoot her in the head"

[desert yacht]

or is his heart powered through cybernetics

damn thats kinda dark especially since bap used to be a part of talon

a grunt

well he got to lieutenant

and he's supposed to be the guy going around doing humanitarian acts

[peak escarp]

Genji's lower body is intact

[worthy rose]

It does show how selfless Baptiste can be in that situation though

He told them to kill her instead of saving him

Or at least focus on killing her

[plucky magnet]

wha

[lucid canyon]

question mark

[limpid agate]

Do you have a question

[lucid canyon]

no

[limpid agate]

!!loreOnly

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[lucid canyon]

The bap part just makes no sense

[limpid agate]

When pinned by the Assassin, Baptiste says "shoot her" where every other hero says "get her off"

[lucid canyon]

Isn't it just the same thing though,

[limpid agate]

The suggestion was that it was because Baptiste is more selfless, prioritizing removing the threat (with himself as bait) rather than his own safety.

"She's on me, get her off" vs "She's on me, now is your chance to kill her"

[lucid canyon]

That's more different now

[limpid agate]

It is the same argument

But described in different detail

[lucid canyon]

Fair enough

[somber bridge]

So, what's up with Hanzo exactly

He's against the Shimada Clan, Talon and Overwatch?

[frank pine]

tbh, p. good question

I think?

I'm not really sure-

but there's no way he's with shimada, talon or OW

[somber bridge]

Cause, he left the Shimadas, he refuses to join Talon or OW

so, what's his point?

just to fulfil the dragons story?

[worthy rose]

Basically

Hanzo tried and thought he did in fact kill Genji and after doing that, he left the shimada clan in shame

of which he was the leader

Then became a mercenary of sorts while the Shimada clan sent people to kill him

[pliant sparrow]

He’s been told to pick a side by genji so he may choose one in the future

[worthy rose]

Genji, being aware of Hanzo's struggle with redemption decides to forgive his elder brother for what he did

and Genji, probably aware of Overwatch's current dire state

and aware that they could probably use all the help they can get

is trying to sway his brother to his side and it kinda foreshadows this

In the Dragon's cinematic, the story of the dragon is that both the blue and green dragons are working to fix the world. Either meaning likely Hanzo joins genji in his Overwatch work and or they work to rebuild the shimada clan which is significantly less likely

[frigid willow]

actually coming back to this game

w0w

[worthy rose]

The only reason why I assume Hanzo didn't is because he probably is coming to terms with Genji being alive and redemption being possible

And also cause Genji didn't really like

Tell him where to go to "Pick a side"

Genji literally just did a cool guy poof without telling him where to go or what to do

Kinda funny if you think about it

[west gorge]

Helo

[worthy rose]

Lol Hanzo is against everyone

Even himself

[celest flower]

just sad

[peak escarp]

Genji probably assumed Hanzo was smart enough to figure out where to go if he wanted to find him

[spice grove]

inb4 he assumed wrong

[timid eagle]

Hanzo joining new Overwatch.... I don't know.

[peak escarp]

I dont know if he would

[timid eagle]

I still think he's going to fly solo for now.

[peak escarp]

but Genji did make the offer

if he ever wants to reconcile with Genji, he knows where to find him

[agile crow]

Is Reaper actually queer

I know 76 and Tracer are

[tardy ibex]

Not confirmed

[agile crow]

Thank you so much!!!!

[tardy ibex]

You're welcome

[peak escarp]

the only confirmed queer heroes are Soldier and Tracer

[agile crow]

Wait what

Zarya isnt trans....?

Can I still headcanon her that way ;;

[cunning ledge]

this channel isn't for headcanon

[agile crow]

.... Duh

I literally JUST found out she isn't canonly trans

[worthy rose]

No evidence for or against.

[agile crow]

Thank you for letting me know 😄

[worthy rose]

Besides the lack of a statement, which is weak evidence for default.

[tardy ibex]

They haven't said, so she most likely isn't

[agile crow]

I never said she was btw, superduper, i was just sad

Yeah no I understand I just didn't know Im sorry

[tardy ibex]

Yo its fine bro, you're human

[worthy rose]

I get the need and want for representation but that cannot take precedent over canon lore and such

[peak escarp]

agreed

[worthy rose]

If you want something interesting

Omnics seemingly have self ascribed genders or so

The omnic in paris attack room seemingly identifies female

Zen is canonically a dude

And lynx 17 is gender neutral

[grim narwhal]

You know what I find odd? Hanzo’s Ultimate. It’s been pretty obvious that nothing is supernatural in the Overwatch world, yet Hanzo’s ultimate seems like fucking magic. Can anyone explain?

[hard hamlet]

he is a ninja

there is nothing to explain

[peak escarp]

it's not magic

[grim narwhal]

Hell, the same could be said about Zenyatta’s Ultimate, and Genji’s

[peak escarp]

we just don't know what it is

[hard hamlet]

zenyatta is advanced

[peak escarp]

also Zenyatta's ultimate may not be canon

[hard hamlet]

genji has a sword

and some weird green dragon

[grim narwhal]

But Genji summons a spirit dragon

[hard hamlet]

but he doesnt use it

[peak escarp]

could be holograms/hard light

[grim narwhal]

And I guess he infuses his Katana with the power of the dragon

Or else it wouldn’t be that strong

I mean

[hard hamlet]

no

he work out

[grim narwhal]

He creates green energy with each swing

The same color as the dragon

[hard hamlet]

but still

it might just be a decoration

[peak escarp]

energy weapons exist in the Overwatch universe

[grim narwhal]

It still doesn’t explain Hanzo’s or Zenyatta’s ult

[hard hamlet]

if he cant kill a fucking regular monkey with 3 swings of his sword then it isnt that special

[peak escarp]

Hanzo's ultimate may be a hard light projection, or some kind of hologram

[hard hamlet]

zenyatta is a christian lol

thats how he does it

[peak escarp]

it passed through Hanzo after Genji deflected it, seemingly without causing harm

[grim narwhal]

Then how could it damage? Furthermore, what projects it?

But he collapsed

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta's ultimate hasn't been seen in the lore, so it may not be canon

[grim narwhal]

It’s just that, well, every other ult has some logic or reasoning behind it

[peak escarp]

he could have collapsed from the shock of seeing someone else use a dragon

[grim narwhal]

Then why even use it if it doesn’t cause harm?

[peak escarp]

there is logic or reasoning behind the spirit dragons

we just don't know what that logic/reasoning is yet

all we know is that it isn't magic

[grim narwhal]

Okay then

[peak escarp]

because there is no magic in the Overwatch universe

everything has a scientific explanation (even if it doesn't make real-world sense)

[somber bridge]

@worthy rose to expand upon that, Genji isn't in overwatch anymore. After the shimada clan was destroyed, genji left overwatch

Hanzo's Dragon tattoos light up when he summons the dragons, so that might be it, they're some sort of energy-hologram projection of sorts

[peak escarp]

@somber bridge Genji telling Hanzo to choose a side implies that Genji has answered the Recall and joined up with new Overwatch

[somber bridge]

perhaps, perhaps not

it's implied, but that's as much as we're given

this is also POST Zenyatta Genji

so, Genji might have returned to Overwatch, he might not have

Speaking of which

Zen could use some Lore love

[peak escarp]

yes

[lament prawn]

only a shimada can summon the dragons though, i dont think its a hologram

[unkempt trail]

Maybe it's some super high-tech, secretive technique that only the main Shimadas were given

Nanomachines mumbo-jumbo

[lament prawn]

if there actually is no magic in the universe, then my guess would be they made some sort of genetic enhancement to shimadas only, which transfers through birth and such. still has the cultural/spiritual effect its meant to have, and only a certain group of people can use them

[somber bridge]

Until we see BOTH of Genji's arms, we'll never find out whether Genji also has a dragon tattoo

we can see a little bit of genji's right arm in his young skins

no tattoo

but that's the closest we can get

it could be genetic modification

[timid eagle]

It would be hilarious if magic was a thing in that universe.

[somber bridge]

oh lord the uproar

[worthy rose]

It doesn't necessarily have to be on the arms.

Genji's left arm is more or less completely bared in his Blackwatch skin, and at least his right forearm is chopped off.

[somber bridge]

exactly

which is why i'm leaning towards genetic modification

[worthy rose]

I'd go with the Shimadas having a genetic marker of some sort that is harmless but distinguishes them from the rest of people, so they bound the whatever it is to the marker.

[foggy notch]

Question, in the beginning of retribution, there's Reyes mocking Jessie for being fired of his cover. Anyone know the story?

[tardy ibex]

OK, chief sit down, get snack

[foggy notch]

About that Genji tatoo, i'd say he doesn't because dragon tatoos are a traditional gang thing in japanese culture. Hanzo was a member of clan, Genji refused. So i'd say he doesnt have the tattoo.

[tardy ibex]

So an overwatch place was attacked by Talon, who aren't under the same rules and guidelines overwatch was under, so they formed blackwatch to "Play by our own rules" Reaper then went after the big boys to tell talon essentially to FRICK off. They scouted the facility for exits, mapping and stuffs like that and McCree was a waiter

[limpid agate]

@foggy notch About getting fired from his cover

McCree was supposed to work for the restaurant at the end of the mission

He got fired because his Italian was awful.

[foggy notch]

But he says "the lady was rude"

[limpid agate]

Yes, he also did something to some lady

Probably insulted her in awful Italian

[foggy notch]

So he got fired for not knowing how to speak?

Thats weird from an intelligence organization, not knowing who to pick for a cover job.....

I'll get that on the forum

Plus another question

[devout fjord]

Is there a reason for how there are so many built huge people like reinhardt in overwatch universe

[foggy notch]

Genji says why are u concerned about one kill mccree, its not the first time we've killed

Who is he referring to?

[cerulean forge]

Does blizzard even understand their lore or are they just bullshitting it as it goes along?

[foggy notch]

I agree with the second idea @cerulean forge

[cerulean forge]

Anyone wanna place bets on who the next character to be revealed as an LGBT is gonna be?

I'm thinking moira is M to F

It seems like something blizzard would do to appease their fanbase

[devout fjord]

they’d have to add a new hero for that

unless future mtf surgery is leagues above what we have today

[cerulean forge]

They could bullshit something

[worthy rose]

Moira is a power lesbian ngl

[devout fjord]

Can BOB speak

[cerulean forge]

I'm sure he can but just chooses not to

Kinda like a "yeah ashe does all the talking for me"

Gonna be honest though if winston and rein weren't characters I would have never got this game

[devout fjord]

according to the overwatch wiki

In light of their absence, Ashe grew to have a contentious childhood, getting into trouble at school, and spending her time shooting bottles on the family estate. A loner, Ashe spent a lot of time talking to B.O.B. (even if he was apparently incapable of talking back).

[cerulean forge]

ah ok

[devout fjord]

guess he can’t

[cerulean forge]

eh it says apparently

might still hold up

[devout fjord]

is there a reason a butler needs to be so big though

[cerulean forge]

Bodyguard

[worthy rose]

I'm honestly pretty sure Roadhog contracted something that's withering his life away during all of the madness

[peak escarp]

he has radiation poisoning

that's why he huffs hogdrogen

[worthy rose]

that'd make a guy go crazy

lose your people lose your home lose your health

I didn't know that was actually a confirmed thing damn

[tardy ibex]

Sure as hell did the last part 😂

[devout fjord]

What’s up with winston in the shorts destroying all of his counters

Reaper twice and Doomfist once

[timber sundial]

serious question

do people care about the lore

and why

[devout fjord]

obviously

[paper gazelle]

Probably because we lore goers find the lore intriguing

[worthy rose]

In game stuff doesnt always equal lore

Also doomfist isn’t necessarily countered by doom

@timber sundial we care cause the world is pretty and the characters seem pretty cool and the game is seemingly different from a lot of fps type shooters where the world be fucked and or is dark and gritty. I personally like the cool vibe of the world where everything is not fucked and there is hope for a better world and such

[timber sundial]

i care more about the game being balanced rather then the story that doesn’t affect the gameplay in any way

[worthy rose]

Course not. And some people are the inverse. I got into the game cause I thought the cinematics were dope and scrounging around for hidden lore things is cool to me

[opaque ice]

i have a lore question, why is athenea in the game yet? she was in route 66 but still isnt in overwatch as a character?

[worthy rose]

That is not Athena

That is a different character called Echo

Athena is the announcer voice in the game that does the count down from when you leave spawn

And Echo will be a character but not yet

At least not the next one anyway

[opaque ice]

srry i mix athenea and echo

[worthy rose]

They’re kinda busy rn tweaking and making heroes because they don’t wanna accidentally buff the goats scene that is in the professional esports scene. It’s why the recent additions to the game have been more bunker favored or so

Dynamite was meant to work as a soft counter with the addition of Ashe

Baptiste is mainly bunker favored hero

Havana has a lot of high ground abuse

That’s mainly my speculation

They’re kinda in a tricky spot

[opaque ice]

however looking at this from a gameplay perspective they could use athenea to destroy goats if they found a specific way to

*too

[worthy rose]

They’ve tried

[opaque ice]

and that doesnt stop them from trying again

[flint briar]

they might have a detailed moveset laid out for her that happens to buff goats, and thus decided to wait

[worthy rose]

Ashe and baptiste were their attempts but they have to balance on a tight rope. If you make something so oppressively powerful you anger a majority of the player base. That’s how brig in her first gameplay iteration came to be

[opaque reef]

Overwatch would work as a movie

It has every thing

[opaque ice]

well 3rd times a charm 😃

[opaque reef]

Lore,characters

[worthy rose]

They wanna avoid having a character be a must pick while allowing flexibility to play whatever comp needed or so

Also yea I would love it if it was like a 5+ movie series

[opaque reef]

I think echo would be a support hero

[opaque ice]

so make a character that is really good but doesnt work at all in goats

[opaque reef]

But what's the backstory of echo

[worthy rose]

And won’t be a must pick 24/7 like brig was when she first came out

And won’t be extremely oppressive

[opaque ice]

making people want to play as her but sacrificing goats for that

i feel like she could do that

[worthy rose]

Honestly. I dont see a hero they could make that could destroy goats comp. literally sombra disables all abilities and that still doesnt work

Baptiste makes you and your team unable to die and that doesnt work

Ashe literally spawns a 7th member of the team and hurts people with armor and still that doesnt work

Torb literally melts tanks and that still doesn’t work

To make something that could destroy goats and not be extremely oppressive is an extremely hard wire to balance

And they don’t wanna add as much dps because of the sheer volume of the dps slot out grossing both tanks and supports combined

14 tanks and supports vs 16 dps

[opaque ice]

well blizzard has been working as a game dev team for 28 years and im sure they can find a way to do it

one more dps wouldnt hurt if they found a way to balance it out later on

[worthy rose]

Yea but that goes with the extremely oppressive thing. Back in the day it was mainly dive and really good tracers were extremely oppressive as a result they made brig and brig became a must pick in basically every game. It didn’t matter what you picked; brig was just that powerful. As a result majority of the player base just felt awful and hated playing against her. And then they founded the goats comp

Brig isn’t as oppressive as she once was

But the comp itself is still so good

[opaque ice]

well, make a counter to brig

[worthy rose]

You dont want a character so opressive that she becomes a must pick and you want to get rid of goats which is once again an extremely hard and honestly damn near impossible to create

[opaque ice]

what about somebody who maybe can shoot threw a shield

[worthy rose]

Brig is countered by long range projectile like pharah but pharah is countered by better positioning or hitscan

That would be opressive to reinhard and orisa and winston which would make her a must pick

Which blizzard wants to avoid

[opaque ice]

well give her downfalls

like 150 hp

[flint briar]

what we need a counter to is the AOE healing. i think that will be a large step to balancing out goats. we have Ana's biotic grenade, but i think something that lasts longer, but only causes a reduction to healing as opposed to full negation.

[opaque ice]

@flint briar that is very true

[worthy rose]

That was given to tracer because she is a very high skill ceiling window. Blizzard has a thing where they never wanna make a character unplayable 100% of the time. A nerf like that would make brig unplayable. Brig isn’t the main issue in goats anymore btw, it’s the natural synergy as well as the pro’s working so well together with said comp

Also cause sound barrier and trans are game saving ults as well as provide really good utility to the team

[opaque ice]

but that wouldnt make her unplayable

[flint briar]

dropping Brig's HP to 150 would kinda crush her. she's not fast enough to maintain that

[worthy rose]

A 150 support that does less than 150 dmg per combo with a weak very fast to melt shield and who can only get value and healing by being in the front line and brawling?

Yes it would destroy her

But like I said brig isnt the issue

[opaque ice]

im taling about a new character

*talking

not brig

and you can make her faster so she is harder to hit

[worthy rose]

A new character with 150 health that can go through shields and zarya bubbles and maybe DM?

While raining enough damage to kill tanks and supports that is also super fast?

You’ve essentially made a better tracer

Which would be a must pick

And would absolutely be opressive

[flint briar]

perhaps instead they could give a buff that lets a portion of their ally's damage ignore shields?

[opaque ice]

who said that she would do that much damage

[flint briar]

like barriers, i mean

[opaque ice]

maybe instead she could disable shields for amounts of time

[worthy rose]

Like that would also be opress and a must pick. You wanna destroy goats but not the game itself. This is like having an issue and going an absolute extreme

Thats sombra

Who is also fast

And also doesnt do that much damage

But at 200 hp

[opaque ice]

but she can have a long cooldown time for it

and it could last longer then sombra's

[worthy rose]

So you want an emp essentially but a long cool down for it?

[flint briar]

well, the idea i was going for is that while some damage goes through, competent healers could keep up with most of it while the team advanced. because of this a single target healer might be needed, but otherwise its not all that oppressive. in this way, they could at least try to shake up the goats lineup a bit, which is a start

[worthy rose]

I was thinking you meant say a bastion being allowed to shoot through sheilds

And was like “uhh no fam”

[flint briar]

techinically, but remember: only a small portion of the damage actually goes through it. most of it is still blocked by the shield

[opaque ice]

well emp hacks multiple targets but this attack can only be used against one at a time

[worthy rose]

But you’d have to make it enough that it would still melt through a reinhardt or the enemy team would just run you over with a dva matrix

That sounds like a sombra hack that lasts longer and has a longer cool down

[flint briar]

ah, dva matrix. good point

[worthy rose]

If that’s what you wanted then why not just buff sombra? Also the answer to that is, if you did that then she’d be oppressive af

[opaque ice]

well it wouldnt be the first time they reused attacks for different characters

but change it up a small bit

[worthy rose]

What character does reused attacks?

Or cool downs for that matter

[flint briar]

what worries me about that is a double hack team.

[frosty shell]

What happened to lore discussion

[flint briar]

oh yea. woops

[opaque ice]

lucios healing circle and Baptiste's circle of healing

[worthy rose]

Like echo will be a hero and I do have faith that blizzard will change comps enough to allow other stuff to pop up but I do not think an individual hero will be the answer to that

[opaque ice]

well you never know 😃

[worthy rose]

Lucio’s passive at a much bigger aoe thattan be swapped for speed and baptiste is a cool down that does that one thing so while I see what you mean, it isn’t an exactly a 1:1 comparison

But yea don’t worry too much

They’ll figure it out

Echo will be a hero

Same with soujourn

[opaque ice]

and it could be the same kinda thing with sombras hack and echos attack