if they grew up during the crisis
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
then it would explain a close bond at the very least
Since Sombra does seem to have sympathy for the people who grew up like her based on her friendship with baptiste
frosty shell
i wonder if maybe Sombra hacked a whole bunch of places at the same time she hacked LumeriCo to cover her tracks and make people believe she couldn't be one person
hence why Zarya didn't just go to Mexico
the newspapers do say "GLOBAL HACKING SPREE" after all
proud lynx
Maybe she just gets around
frosty shell
yeah maybe
proud lynx
Wait was Sombra brought into Talon before or after the hacking spree started
frosty shell
i don't think we know
peak escarp
we don't know how long she has worked for Talon
proud lynx
Alright, but it would make sense that she would hack various companies around the world for Talon wouldn't it?
proud lynx
Yeah I think that one was personal
frosty shell
it was
The world might not know that but it would make sense that Lynx-17 would know
proud lynx
But the others, id say for Talon. But in her origin story she does mention she wants to find out who runs the world
So I have no idea how Talon affects her life
peak escarp
we don't know much about Sombra's time with Talon
proud lynx
As you've mentioned already
exotic furnace
If somber wanted to figure out who runs the world then why bother joining talon? how does talon help Sombra reach her goals?
valid shell
Resources.
She wants to know who runs the world? Talon owns a significant chunk of it, at least the underground.
exotic furnace
If talon has resources that helps Sombra, would overwatch be the same thing towards her, or no?
worthy rose
Overwatch is gone tho
also their morals and ethics hold her back
Sombra is literally only on team Sombra
And a criminal terrorist organization helps her do her thing more than a now defunct organization
exotic furnace
it wouldn't matter with overwatch gone it somewhat makes it easier for her to toy with the overwatch members, with overwatch outta the way, Sombra shouldn't have any problems with blackmailing any of the members without any of them calling backups/reinforcements
worthy rose
and if they're making a skin based on a reference
exotic furnace
that skin does not earn the title of "breaking the internet"
peak escarp
it's not meta breaking
peak escarp
it's just confirming that this is the game D.Va is a pro at, and what got her recruited
the pink is a little harsh, but that could be the twitter compression
cunning ledge
it's definitely a lot sharper than the classic skin
worthy rose
It does matter because she's really only there to meet her goals. And some people she can't really blackmail. Like how on earth you gonna blackmail Winston?
cunning ledge
any clue what this says?
worthy rose
Dude's history and story is an open book
For people like McCree (Who i do suspect she's manipulating) they're being moved around like chess pieces
peak escarp
could be her name?
cunning ledge
i'm typing random phrases it could be into google translate and not getting anything good
peak escarp
but backwards
peak escarp
하나
cunning ledge
totally is
peak escarp
potentially canon, but not confirmed
worthy rose
cause she's wearing glasses and the game is a reference to her prior history
cunning ledge
how would glasses help?
worthy rose
it wouldn't. I just like learning trivia about heroes like DVA either had eye corrective surgery or is wearing contacts
iron plume
eye conditions usually disqualify you from being a pilot
oak axle
Keychain says Hana
bitter lintel
When are we getting new lorey content?
peak escarp
unless there's something with Anniversary, probably in late June when they start teasing the next hero
exotic furnace
Jesus why are they already teasing another hero
y don't they work on the plots with the heroes we already have
worthy rose
Cause hero introductions are one of the few ways they can give us lore
Granted they could pump out more cinematics but those are expensive
Comics are another way but we haven't had any since Retribution
Jeff promised us more comics but we're almost halfway through the year and nothing so I am a bit pessimistic about that
half pasture
Er, they haven't started teasing a new hero?
peak escarp
because they tease heroes at the same time every year?
half pasture
late june is still a month away
worthy rose
And they hardly touch the Atlas news sights or in game media things despite it being a probably easier way of getting lore out
worthy rose
Bastet was a new method
but I think it's safe for me to claim it was more or less met with a mixed reception
Some people liked it and others could only focus on soldier being homosexual
So I say we take what we can take
half pasture
one offhand line confirms character is gay in a fiction completely not about that in any way
ludicrous amounts of rage and cries of pandering
regal coyote
whatever it is, new lore is better than nothing at all, be it atlas, novelettes, comics, animation or others
I am happy with SF< animation, the plan style, if needed be
I mean, it delivers lroe and is much less costly to make.
If some kiddo can make SFM stuff easy then a development team can make slightly higher quality stuff super fast relatively.
languid kestrel
im all ready tracer! i feel like im gonna get banned for saying that...
fringe blade
Is the whole 'D.VA is going to blow up the internet' a reference to the fact that she looks like a Japanese schoolgirl?
half pasture
I mean probably
worthy rose
Technically Korean school girl
gentle token
Someone on my twitter timeline pointed out that Dva is in a law school like uniform and the writing on the back of her mech says "Judge"
If it is lore friendly in some ways it could indicate she might have studied law
gentle token
Could, ofc, not saying it for sure does
frosty shell
i'm guessing the judge thing might be a reference to some anime/manga or Korean show
peak escarp
I've never heard of a law school having uniforms
and google doesn't give me any either
dense estuary
Maybe a fan of the 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge.
peak escarp
also apparently the word on the mech isn't proper Korean
so it's probably something they made up as a name for the mech or the game that DVa plays
peak escarp
maybe D.Va is an Adjudicator main
she's 19, so probably not
might be getting extra education through MEKA though
rapid zinc
I think it’s a reference to being a gundam pilot trainee
peak escarp
it's not a gundam
its specifically the game DVa is famous for
which is some kind of mecha fighter
gentle token
No, she may have played it, but she was famous for another game
rapid zinc
Oh ok
Wait so the thing on her screen is... herself question mark
I’m sorry I’m looking at it and it’s looking more and more like a bunker class gundam 😂
Especially with her as the pilot in the torso just like in gundam 😭
peak escarp
it's a mecha fighter
of course it's going to have similarities to Gundam
the thing on the screen is the unit she plays
rapid zinc
I know but the design of the head as well with the silver brace around it
peak escarp
probably an intentional homage to gundam by the art team
they put a lot of anime references in Overwatch
rapid zinc
Ima but this skin and have the gundam theme in the back ground 👏
dusk fiber
d.vas mech looks like shoutmon had an upgrade...
rapid zinc
Hahaha used to love Digimon
dense estuary
She might be going to school online.
But at 19 she would just be starting
College
peak escarp
maybe
don't most militaries have post-secondary education programs?
well, this obviously isn't supposed to be present day Hana
half pasture
I mean only one anniversary skin is actually canon
the rest are at best canon adjacent
hasty surge
Which year was dvs drafted
We don't know
She could have completed her secondary school education and is in mid high school
peak escarp
secondary education is high school
she wouldn't have been drafted until she was an adult
regal coyote
Most likely she has done anything pre university.
But unlikely to have finished university, unless she is one of those mercyoid again, where she might get fasttracked.
but seeing she is also a progamer, unlikely have time for that.
hasty surge
Any progamers (irl) actually did their dedication and games at the same time?
smoky delta
Dva possibly could have been early recruited (aka in but not active) as she finished her primary education and most likely began being educated about mechas, how to repair it run it etc, in place of formal schooling. Basically straight out of highschool or her main schooling she was taken in for specific education related to her militsry service aka piloting and mechanic training for the meka program
Meaning she could have been enrolled in the program and receiving education for it as early as 16 how ever it's very possible she started actually participating in active duty things (such as actually using the meka and fighting) at the age of 18
peak escarp
she wouldn't have attracted the attention of MEKA until she was a pro gamer
since that's what why they recruited her
peak escarp
we don't know when she became famous
smoky delta
The 15 to 17 range seems reasonable for peak popularity
Or at least super stardom
Bein 19 she probably hadn't been in the professional gaming scene for very long, no more than 5 years at most
We can't set a solid age or time frame but knowing how early recruitment works the the age range for her starting or being recruited would be about 15 to 19
peak escarp
why would the military be recruiting as young as 15?
smoky delta
Well around here they give them their basic training or they recruit but aren't active aka your in and do some shit during the summer and week ends
paper gazelle
Tbh there are pro gamers who manage to balance both their school and occupation in ways
Maybe she's one of those
paper gazelle
So probably... Pre uni
smoky delta
Very possible once she blew up she went to online school
paper gazelle
online schooling makes sense then
But the question is: how well did she do at school
smoky delta
Given her knowledge id say fairly well or at least she's a quick learner
She can repair her meka and has the knowledge of a confident pilot so she's gotta be fairly bright
Plus they probably just didn't go hey you're in for the program, probably had her do various tests mental and physical to make sure she was a good fit
paper gazelle
Hmm yeah
cunning ledge
going by the evangelion reference, training to fly the combat robot for the military to save the world while being in school isn't unreasonable
smoky delta
Most military has schooling, you do part school part training but schooling is usually specific for what you do
So it is very possible
tawny patio
Um
In Korea I believe these things are all a year “ahead” of america
Your birth is age 1
So to be 18 in Korean culture would be 17 in American culture, unless that’s a more regional tradition
regal coyote
But evangelion would not be a good indication of age. Since it is post aporkcalypitc world, and dictator style control is available. That and yeah most kids there are at least semi-orphans, people related to nervselee to start with, and some are not even human at all. And theya re technically not the military.
Also anime age is not trust worthy, ignoring those 400 year old loli for reasons, we get famous series like GaoGaiGar series where pilot are like lil gradeschool twats.
to be realistic, D.Va can be a pro gamer at 16 ish, and got picked up and contacted yes. But likely to have finished her basic education one way or another, maybe in a military related institute or a regular one. But she would most likely have finished it.
hasty surge
Is that winston's halloween skin?
worthy rose
Yes. Probably no lore connection though.
hasty surge
Halloween lore
last inlet
You mean the new Gargoyle skin?
gentle token
I love it
limpid agate
I thought it was Diablo
limpid agate
gentle token
Gargoyles are in Diablo
Diablo is more dragon like, but yes Wisntons skin is most likely a Diablo corssover
limpid agate
The stain glass looks like Diablo to me
gentle token
I still would love an Auriel skin for Mercy and a Night Elf for Widow
foggy notch
In one of Genji's highlight intros at the end he makes some gesture with his hands and also in the dragons cinematic, when he uses his ult to control the dragons his left hand is in the same gesture. Does it have any sorts of meanings?
worthy rose
Probably just him looking cool
high thunder
on the blurb of the overwatch anthology volume 1 it says something along the lines of 'find out how bastion joined THE TEAM' it is curious to me. Anyone know anything?
peak escarp
its implied that after Torbjorn found Bastion in Binary, Torbjorn brought it to Overwatch
I forgot that that was the other thing pointing to Bastion joining Newverwatch
rapid zinc
Hey mercy might still get a skin we don’t know yet
high thunder
ah k
desert hawk
Why don’t they make all omincs like bastion? So that they are all peaceful like.
iron plume
and even if he was, why would you make a peaceful omnic a battle machine?
they have civilian models
regal coyote
@peak escarp more important is that is bastion-torby hooked up with newverwatch yet in this point of lore, or are they still in europe
though to be fair there is no indication of newverwatch having a single base, they could well be just staying in different places holding together over communications.
and if needed be winston have a nice pad setup at the old base.
peak escarp
what point do you mean?
peak escarp
they said "has Torb-Bastion reunited with Newverwatch at this point"
at what point? they must have at some point, or it wouldn't say Bastion "joined the team"
we don't know when he brings Bastion to Overwatch, just that he does
tawny patio
I mean they’ve gotta have a meeting place
Otherwise it’s just
“Overwatch is back 
“
“Spread all around the world”
“With minimal communication”
“...we’re back in name”
hasty surge
They just need a proper communication system
half pasture
We don't know anything about how new overwatch will work aside from the recall happened
fringe blade
why
hasty surge
She would blink where ever the ball goes?
frail mango
Lol
worthy rose
Probably
worthy rose
valid shell
@worthy rose ?
grand bluff
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foggy notch
How did ana lose her eye? She was in a conflict with widow I know but how come she lost her eye?
half pasture
because she got shot in the head
bullets tend to do bad things to eyes, shocking, I know
foggy notch
And she didnt die? Thats ridiculous
Shot in the head with a snipe bullet and u survive..
half pasture
Because it went through her eye and not her brain
What is so hard about this to understand
rapid zinc
Wait so bastion is a official member of overwatch?
noble plaza
go get shot in the face and tell me how it goes?
terse oak
worthy rose
wow really?
and ingame widow can insta kill anyone (except tanks) by shooting them in the head?
well ill believe you
foggy notch
A bullet that can instantly kill Mondatta cant kill ana.
Though mondatta is a robot and is made outta steel and carbon but ana is made of flesh
worthy rose
mondatta is the one in the widow cinematic right cuz idk who the hell he is
foggy notch
Yea he is
desert hawk
Have you seen those ppl that have been impaled thru the head and live? It’s like that with bullets, you get injured but don’t die because it missed of pushed aside th brain, or you die.
foggy notch
Physiologically speaking, eye's nerves are directly connected to the brain. And what could make one eye blind, could've definitely injure the brain, and also keep in mind the size of the bullets widow shoots.
limpid agate
Ana was not headshot.
Her scope was shot while she was aiming down it
And it shattered into her eye
The bullet did not go into her head
rapid zinc
This is true
noble plaza
see well i didn’t know that
hasty surge
Did she at least remove the glasses in her eye?
wet fractal
full basin
Whats that image?
limpid agate
Ana's medical report
peak escarp
I did a breakdown of what the medical jargon on the right means - the gist of it is that she has typical vitals for a woman in her 60s, no concussion, but does have amnesia and shrapnel
full basin
Where did you get that image?
peak escarp
it was part of the Sombra ARG
full basin
Oh
peak escarp
she leaked it saying "I know things about your so-called 'heroes'."
and before that, Ana was thought to be dead
high thunder
where did ana go to treat her eye that no other member of ow knew existed
limpid agate
Poland
peak escarp
she convinced the doctors that someone dangerous was after her, so they kept quiet about her
foggy notch
And why is her name the one mentioned in the pic?
foggy notch
Yea
peak escarp
that's the Polish equivalent of Jane Doe
the name given to someone who doesn't remember who they are
foggy notch
And her vitals are normal, though it is stated that she can't remember what happened
golden blaze
Also a name given to bodies that cannot be identified
peak escarp
I was. I had no name to give them, so they called me, ‘Janina
Kowalski,’ your Jane Doe. For months, I sat in that hospital
room in pain and confusion. Dr. Lee told me I was lucky.
Well, as lucky as you can be after having glass and shrapnel
embedded in your skull.” Ana felt the phantom pain of her eye
even as she recounted the experience.```dangerous people were after me.”
“I’m dangerous?” he asked, playing innocent.
“You’re a kitten, Jack,” Ana laughed. “Eventually, I was able
to piece together what happened, but I don’t know how much
of it is real and how much I’ve filled in the blanks myself. I
remembered the mission. We were pinned down by the enemy
sniper, and I was trying to flush them out. I remembered lining
up the shot. But it was almost like there was a reason why I
didn’t want to remember what happened next.”```Yea thats the whole story as we suspected
I've read somewhere that she got caught in a fight with Widow, and though everyone including Jack was evacuated, she insisted on fighting with and the rest u mentioned above. Is it correct?
foggy notch
Well @peak escarp and @limpid agate thanks a lot. U guys are more reliable I guess than those who insist on ana taking a bullet in her head!!! And just going blind and not dying!
Also the question is, as we know in game Ana shots arent as powerful as Widow's. Like it would take three shots for ana to kill a guy but one shot for Widow. Why was she tryin to continue the fight though the facts above?
peak escarp
gameplay mechanics don't reflect lore
foggy notch
As I suspected
foggy notch
Yea that was my other theory @limpid agate
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foggy notch
I'll check it out
regal coyote
in lore young Ana have different abilities, we know she has super visual biotic eye, and normal sniper rifle. She can also summon explosive drones and such, also she MAY have some kind of wire/grip/hook
worthy rose
Huh
kinda wondering what kind of game it is for their to be a world championship
Cause either she and Dae-hyun and whoever else helped built the mech which is some serious if's, or if it was like something else
Also I find it weird that they worded it as "And won the world Championship, surpassing her teammate and her biggest rival"
I've never seen a game that requires you to surpass your own teammates
peak escarp
they probably didn't compete as a team
frosty shell
she wasn't required to surpass her teammates
I think that they did compete as a team personally
peak escarp
or her high score was just higher than theirs
frosty shell
D. Va just did better than D. Mon
worthy rose
Weird question because I don't play many games besides overwatch
but what competitive game would require you to surpass your own teammate to win, and would have skills transferable to like piloting a mech
peak escarp
the phrasing makes it sound like her teammate and her rival were both previous champions
or maybe it was a solo competition and she beat them?
frosty shell
idk
they might have both solo and team competitions
Maybe they have tag teams sometimes?
peak escarp
I wonder if Honeydew Mei represents an actual bubble tea chain in the OWU
ocean inlet
Im guessing the chinese letters on the gun say "bubble dew" or just "honeydew" possible names for the chain
limpid agate
There are characters on the gun?
ocean inlet
yeah
limpid agate
Picture?
peak escarp
哈密珍珠 I think
google translate doesn't give me anything though
except the last character is pearl/bead
desert hawk
I think you second character is wrong
limpid agate
I'll just look in game
peak escarp
哈密瓜 is honeydew
ocean inlet
honey bead maybe?
desert hawk
Maybes
peak escarp
well the skin is called Honeydew
limpid agate
Ok
Its the flavour
But translated weird?
珍珠 is the boba
That's all I know
Err, the bubbles
Like, the tapioca pearls
peak escarp
so they took the first two characters from honeydew and stuck the two characters for bubbles/pearls on the end
it's probably the brand name
peak escarp
close enough?
limpid agate
I don't know Chinese. I just know 珍珠 is used when referring to the tapioca pearls
limpid agate
An example of a menu.
Ignore that comment, I forgot Honey was a thing that was unrelated to fruit
Okay I guess that is honey dew. Like I said, I don't know Chinese.
peak escarp
well there we go
I was just going off google translate, so I wasn't sure either
also, slight tangent, but something I found while listening to Mei's interactions
desert hawk
So, is it a combo of both? Or honey dew by it self?
limpid agate
Its the first two characters from honeydew (the full 3 gave me this in Google though)
peak escarp
it's basically "Honeydew Pearl"
limpid agate
And the last two are about the tapioca pearls
desert hawk
So it is the combo.
limpid agate
Its probably the brand name but 🤷
peak escarp
yeah
peak escarp
Mei says she wants to try controlling her temper - she hasn't really been shown to have a strong temper
although maybe that's a reference to the 'devil Mei' meme
also for the brand name, we have it in English
limpid agate
Oh ok
desert hawk
Lol
peak escarp
assuming Academy represents D.Va when she was in high school, we're still missing flashback/younger skins for Ashe, Junkrat, Lucio, Roadhog and Zenyatta
desert hawk
A flash back junkrat skin would be Intersting.
half pasture
I have no idea what that would look like
peak escarp
we don't know anything about Junkrat's past
desert hawk
Exactly, that’s y it would be interesting
Give us a clue to what he did before stealing stuff and all that
worthy rose
Yeah
calm patio
true, would be interesting. theres gott be something that happend to his head to make him be in that state, the explosive loving m8. maybe he was in the army but has ptsd from an explosion or wahtnot. idk
peak escarp
ptsd from explosions would make him avoid explosives, not want to cause more of them
iron plume
he also wouldn't be in the army (militia at best) since he was a child when the Omnium exploded
iron plume
it's a pretty safe bet something might've happened though
calm patio
bt im pretty sure junk aint mentally sane
iron plume
Junkertown is crazy but none of the others are that crazy
peak escarp
could just be the radiation
iron plume
wouldn't all of them be exposed to that though
calm patio
and theres hog
peak escarp
we haven't seen many of the junkers
calm patio
true
peak escarp
I mean, not in depth
calm patio
ive read all the ow comics
peak escarp
the ones we have seen do seem a bit unhinged
calm patio
and hogs story seemsligit
every one in junk seems off. we dont even see "queen" although she is mentioned ALOT
worthy rose
Yeah...
desert hawk
True.!.!
peak escarp
people ask for lore on Lucio and Zenyatta, but nobody seems to want to know about Junkrat's past
peak escarp
we all do
I'm curious about what his life was like before joining the Shambali
what was he originally made for? was he a sales bot?
Zen might have been one of these guys:
devout sable
when's the next comic or animated short?
wispy sorrel
man I used to be so involved with the lore
peak escarp
the next hero will come in late June/early July, so there will be something with them
wispy sorrel
there just is so little pushed out these days
wispy sorrel
I sometimes wish the OWL wasnt a thing, as now the staff are split into game and league
which slows down other stuff
peak escarp
the people who work on the lore don't work on the league
peak escarp
nope
peak escarp
wispy sorrel
ahhhh
peak escarp
there's these people, plus the artists and writers they hire to work on specific projects
like Nesskain
worthy rose
@peak escarp yeah thx
midnight light
Game theory: Mei being fat was always just head canon. She’s always been fit
peak escarp
but we've known this since Summer Games 2016
tawny patio
Am I crazy or in her short does she seem thinner pre cryo
tawny patio
I
Can’t post images
And I think that’s rather hyper specific to find a link
peak escarp
upload your picture to imgur
timid eagle
No, Mei has always been the same, as far as physical appearance is concerned.
paper arch
🤦 , guess that’s why Paladins community seems better then this .. ( is it )?
Why some people blame talk bad about female skins ( which shows half revealing skin) but ok on Male heros revealing skins ?! Isn’t it ?
valid shell
Want to try that again?
last inlet
I'm pretty sure, in every other skin before this, she's shown hardly any skin. She's mostly covered, and usually layered up, which adds padding. It would be difficult to accurately determine her figure from those skins.
I'm just glad her body isn't doing that weird thing again'
paper arch
What you mean by “weird” thing ?
gentle token
Her butt juts out like a Kardashian at certain angles in her standard pose. But her spine looks more in tact this time around
regal coyote
writers might write stuff for any related stuff yes, lore or not or advertising stuff i guess.
but i cannot see comic creator working for OWL
animations maybe, for maybe other blizz projects and stuff
but yeah new comic would be Soon (Blizzard Soon)
and we will get some type of animation in blizzcon usually
We know omnic are sorta modularr, in the sense that at least they can easily replace parts like limbs, and obviously shti like faceplate and othe rbody plate would be easily replacable, as long as they ahve the founs and resources
we dotn know what zen used to be
but if he were in the unlikely event of things like a salesbot, then many of his upgrades are added afterwards.
Also, assume the "dots on head" system still holds somewhat, then either he actually level up and accend, or he is designed to be a more thinktank and high ability bot.
granted that salesbot is a 6 dot, so probably a smart butler type at least, as oppossed to those 2-3 dot peons in the getherings.
to compare, Max is a 7 dot, and all THREE 9 dot we know of are badass
gentle token
I did not know the dots meant something, that's cool
devout sable
they don't, at least, nothing that we know of
gentle token
Oh
devout sable
this is just speculation
paper arch
@gentle token 😑
gentle token
What?
regal coyote
speculation still
but yes likely does
sicne ignoring old design or such, shit grade disposable omnics seem to have less eye dots
like thsoe low grade omnic workers
peak escarp
I wouldn't exactly call Mondatta a badass
and aside from being a playable character, Zenyatta isn't all that important
tawny patio
That we know of
There could be something super special we don’t know bc of lack of zen content 
high thunder
i want to more about zen, maybe in an animated short(?)
limpid agate
Not really
He is a deserter of the Shambali order
That was previously just a normal omnic who had an awakening
high thunder
who do we think hero 31 will be? aside from MaybeNullSectorMaybeNot from Storm Rising
limpid agate
Hamid Faisal is the other contender
high thunder
is he that mob boss or someone i have not heard of
slate matrix
does zen have any lore yet
paper arch
Someone did made a good zen and genji fan made animation made by Arby on YouTube long ago
rose pecan
That one was actually amazing, cause it gave more insights on Genji's issues and feelings of his new life as well as Zen's mentality as a mentor.
peak escarp
not canon, unfortunately
devout sable
it's not that good imo
it comes across as a bit of... wordy babble
with a pretty awkward use of Zen's transcendence effect
peak escarp
I haven't seen it, I just assumed it was as bad as all those other SFM animations
cosmic reef
Oh man.
You really need to see this one dude.
"Random animated bullshit" are the videos called, I think. But he has plenty more. Hilarious Overwatch stuff.
peak escarp
if it's not canon (and made by Blizzard) I'm not interested
cosmic reef
Often enough canon by the official writers and developers isn't even competing with the fanbase. Winks at GoT
peak escarp
this isn't Game of Thrones
cosmic reef
Which only served as an example. Whatever, this isn't lore so I'll end this discussion now. :)
peak escarp
Official canon will always be better than fan content
devout sable
there's that particular quality to fanfiction
it's not always bad, but it always feels odd
like fan communities in general invariably fail to understand and imitate the official content's stylistic features
if that makes sense
peak escarp
I just cant take it seriously because I know it doesn't count
the knowledge that it's fanmade undermines my ability to enjoy it
limpid agate
That description is how I felt about Bastet.
It felt like fanfiction in terms of writing.
peak escarp
maybe it was because that's the first bit of prose we've had for Overwatch? We've only gotten comics/shorts before that, so it's hard to compare them
the narrative style didn't quite match everything else
limpid agate
Now that I think of how I frame my complaint
Bastet felt like what Searching would have been if it were text based
peak escarp
that makes sense
worthy rose
True dat
idle bridge
overwatchis bad
calm patio
im blinded by what this thing has said. if u dont like ow, then just leave
the server
peak escarp
I'm suddenly curious about the timeline between DVa becoming a pro gamer and her getting recruited into MEKA
it had to have been somewhat recent
I wonder if those 5 were all recruited together, or if some have been there longer/shorter than her
gentle token
I imagine Dva, Dmon, and King (if they're the same age) joined recently if the military age is 18
peak escarp
Overlord is supposed to be the youngest of the group - is he still 18?
I also want more details on DVa being a movie star
that little detail seems to have been forgotten
peak escarp
Chu did say he wanted to explore the MEKA team more, so at least we'll get more about them eventually
regal coyote
i think Jeff in one of those livestreams on archive event this year mntion both Echo and predator is not ready yet, so not sure if that means they are definitly not the next one?
@gentle token well it is war time so their training might be before 18
also we know at least these three is in the SAME type of pro gaming
dva and dmon being on same team, king being a rival but on another
timid eagle
I’m happy with whomever they reveal next. I mean, it’s not like Baptiste, Ashe, or Hammond had rocked the boat.
teal meadow
Baptiste was not hyped enough
midnight berry
Baptiste is a sleeper healer
People don’t play him cuase they think he sucks but he raw at healing
frosty shell
D. Va could've just been in a few movies for all we know (or maybe just Heroes of the Storm)
peak escarp
when you have a rival, it's usually someone who plays the same games as you
frosty shell
yes
limpid agate
@regal coyote It was Sojourn/Junkerqueen/Echo
Not Echo/Predator
That Jeff said were in development but not 31
gentle token
So is 31 a hero we haven't heard of yet like Baptiste possibly?
peak escarp
that's always a possibility
gentle token
If so I'm excited, I like getting heroes who are a complete mystery up until that point
limpid agate
I don't 😦
They're cool for gameplay, but coming out of nowhere just feels lame.
Like, even Orisa/Moira, who were entirely new characters, were still teased
I liked that more
peak escarp
yeah, I like when they're teased beforehand
gentle token
Lore wise yes, because it's like "oh joy another factor out of absolutely no where that we gotta try to see where it fits it"
limpid agate
Not just that
Its cool looking back at things and saying
Oh that was a hint, that's cool I missed that
Like Wrecking Ball
gentle token
True true
peak escarp
suddenly things make sense that didn't before
limpid agate
I knew it was Hammond
I didn't know he was the Junkertown champion
Nor was I predicting that to be a character
peak escarp
like Moira making Reaper's origin make more sense, and Hammond turning out to be Wrecking Ball
limpid agate
At that time I thought the Queen was the pilot of Wrecking Ball.
regal coyote
maybe we would get the magneto guy
i mean he was one of the concept idea, where hammond borrows som of the ability set
lapis oracle
This event made me think: roadhog doesn't have any archives skin. What if they continue the trend to give heroes a skin of their past selves? Maybe he'll get one without mask?
teal meadow
Is talon considered a foe?
For the moment they didn' make anything important (besides killing mondatta)
regal coyote
antag for sure
limpid agate
They're the main villain
teal meadow
They pretty much joined talon for their own business
Doomfist want to test humanity with another war
Sombrs wants to manipulate them
Moira science
Reaper revenge
Widow just because she has nothing better to do
Maximillien probably just for money and power
limpid agate
Widow just because she has nothing better to do
Widow was forced into it
She was conditioned to serve
teal meadow
Yeah, but she is not resisting now so she's just a lil dog for talon
limpid agate
Doomfist is also the head honcho, with Moira/Reaper also sitting on the council of leaders
dense estuary
It would be interesting to see where Sombra would go when she eventually finds out who that group is that put her in this position in the first place was.
gentle token
Widow isn't resisting because she can't
tawny patio
I mean what would resistance even matter
She’s been made the perfect assassin..what would she do if not assassin
peak escarp
she could probably resist if she wanted to, but they give her the opportunity to kill (which is the only way she feels emotion), so there's no reason to
gentle token
Probably, plus if she did I don't imagine it would go over well for her
Where would she even go to is another question if she did succeed in escaping
weak granite
Michael Chu is a bad writer
peak escarp
@weak granite how so?
high thunder
i was a bit confused when reading ana: legacy, t says she uses a cybernetic eye, but that was before widowmaker powed it out
and also, why would widow visit her husbands grave when SHE killed him, AND she doesn't feel ANY emotion (other than when she kills someone)
peak escarp
she still remembers him
and remembers that she loved him
and yeah, Ana had a cybernetic eye before Widowmaker shot it out
tawny patio
I think it was meant to be a one off explaining why she’s such a good shot
At least that’s what I took
high thunder
when tracer and emily went to winstons at the end of reflections, tracer isn't wearing her chronal accelerator and i cant see it anywhere else on the panel. doesn't she need it to , y'know, stay anchored to the present?
peak escarp
she just needs to be near it
the charging dock might expand its range or something like that
iron plume
"I'm really into ow lore"
big doubt
grand bluff
We shall avoid making hateful statements from now on.
cunning ledge
damn of all times to not have a good speculation point
cunning ledge
i agree
iron plume
nice
cunning ledge
biotics would probably make it easier to stay healthy too
iron plume
you mean aside from not aging
cunning ledge
she's got that passive healing which i imagine represents some kind of biotic release system in the suit
peak escarp
yeah
cunning ledge
probably what these things are too
timid eagle
I’m going to laugh how they will explain how Lucio does his thing.
peak escarp
what do you mean?
cunning ledge
something gameplay not canon something
iron plume
very much doubt he's going to actually canonically heal
cunning ledge
something canon abilities list in pins something
iron plume
that said I also said it about zen so
well he's still in the air
(heheueheuheh)
but there's hints it's real somehow
peak escarp
his healing music is similar to Brigitte's healing - it's a literal concept taken from an abstract idea of being inspired
timid eagle
Didn’t Zen have an interaction with Mercy, both joking how they heal?
iron plume
yes
which is my point
we thought zen's healing had no chance of being canon in any form
(aside from representing his spiritual guidance)
but then there was the mercy interaction which suggest he does do something
peak escarp
cunning ledge
my theory is that the orbs are some kind of knowledge storage device too
so the healing is like, enlightenment through learning
or some shit
peak escarp
iron plume
"zee-gler"
peak escarp
he does store "omnic energy" in his orbs
high thunder
that was a bit rude of mercy
iron plume
..how
high thunder
it just feels a bit rude, and how zen says "i suppose we must all take things on faith"
cunning ledge
omnic energy is stored in the balls
iron plume
get out
cunning ledge
ok
high thunder
maybe HE was a bit offended
high thunder
eh, how would I know
iron plume
I don't think it was rude or he took it that way
I think he just wants to be a diva bit mysterious
iron plume
I think if harmony is canon it uses those too
instead of just whatever he sends in game
iron plume
"no magic" just means "everything has a scientific explanation we promise"
kinda like what MCU was doing with Thor and Wanda before finally giving it up with Strange
high thunder
warning: what i am about to say is the dumbest thing ever and please forgive me i have said this |Q: what if emily was with Talon?
iron plume
it would be kinda shitty for tracer and also a bit of a rehash of widowmaker's story
iron plume
^
icy blade
icy blade
iron plume
@icy blade stop
peak escarp
people have also speculated that Emily is Moira's niece/relative
high thunder
thats dumb
peak escarp
because . . . they both have red hair?? idk??
high thunder
where is emily even from
all we know about her is that she is tracers girlfriend and she stole her present
peak escarp
yep
iron plume
i'm pretty sure she's british
peak escarp
British would be a better guess
cunning ledge
where's slig and his fio theories when we need them
iron plume
oh no
high thunder
eh, does it even matter?
peak escarp
they've been together at least 6 years, since Tracer has an interaction in Storm Rising where she mentions that Havana would be a nice place to bring Emily
6 years and still not married? Come on Lena
I will only accept this if they plan on showing us their wedding
high thunder
cunning ledge
animated short where they get marri- oh wait
last inlet
Tracer side story where, at some point, it touches on her hesitancy to make that big commitment and her reasons for it would be nice
Of course, I made that stuff up
Pls no one make it fanon
peak escarp
that would be a good way to explain it
that does seem like a long time for a couple to be together without making further commitment
spice grove
i mean, not if the said couple is content with partnership and believe that marriage is an institution that has outlived its usefulness in the 21st cent.
what makes you think they -want- to get married?
devout sable
@cunning ledge what Fio theories?
I think my only Fio theory is that she and Tracer may have dated during their shared time at the flight academy
frosty shell
it seems strange that Fio and Sojourn are both American
tawny patio
I mean there’s plenty of reasons to not get married
Legal obligations that arise, hesitancy, being content as is, one of them could not have told their family
Or if we want to look at more character specific reasons
Lena is associating under the overwatch title again which is illegal, constantly risking her life, is bound to a point in time by a machine
Sure none of those things change if you get married, but once you’re married it’s a bigger commitment to those things 🤷
peak escarp
@frosty shell where does it say that they're American?
limpid agate
Fio is probably Italian
last inlet
Speaking English with an American accent is, oddly, not the greatest indicator that they're American. Brigitte sounds American to me when she speaks English.
Some Canadians don't sound far off from some of us, also
peak escarp
it could also be a case like Lucio, where Sojourn sounds American but isn't
due to the voice actor
worthy rose
Holy shit
peak escarp
I think you have the wrong channel
worthy rose
oops
worthy rose
Has anyone suggested to blizzard how cool it would be to put a lore related section in the game, such as on the menu “cinematics” or something where people can click on that and be able to watch all the overwatch lore related cut scenes? I feel like it was a big opportunity they missed out on by just uploading the cut scenes to the internet and not in-game
spice pulsar
true :/
worthy rose
They probably didn’t want to put more into the game than they had to. Downloads and size of the videos would probably be massive and also wouldn’t be accessible to people who didn’t buy the games and if you were gonna put it on youtube anyway, why put more burden and stress into the design of the game than need be
I’m not saying that the videos shouldn’t be available exclusively to people who own the game, but I just think it would have been better lore wise just to fit the cinematics in. I don’t think it would take up that much space, there are games out there with heaps of cut scenes, overwatch wouldn’t have that many
I just think one thing overwatch should have is more lore in the game, it’s cool that they have the descriptions of skins and some cutscenes in the archives event
Like doesn’t anyone else find it strange that overwatch lore is mainly through the internet, rather than in the game itself?
I just think by incorporating the scenes in-game they will kill 2 birds with one stone. It will implement more lore into the game. It’s just you see how much time and effort that goes into these animated cut scenes, there should be a way in-game to view them
Heck there’s a section in-game dedicated to the overwatch league rather than the lore of the game
And that’s backwards to me.
peak escarp
people have been making that suggestion for ages
even just putting the hero bios in the hero gallery would be nice
worthy rose
To be fair the game isn’t like every other game
Most games have a story or campaign mode that tells the story that does but we have a team vs team style that doesn’t really do anything for the story itself besides alluding to character relations and lore.
peak escarp
yeah
they did make a conscious decision to keep the lore separate from the game
except when it comes to Archives
half pasture
It's kinda like the MOBA style of lore honestly
we get lore drops in mostly the same way League does?
character bios, in game interactions, the very rare cinematic
Though LoL is far less concerned with actually telling a story with its lore
limpid agate
At least Overwatch has consistent cinematic releases and didn't retcon its universe twice
peak escarp
that is a plus
half pasture
yeah Overwatch executes it better
no one would argue it doesn't
but it's structurally similar
frosty shell
It never says they're American
they just don't have any accent (sojourn and fio could be Canadian too, then)
yeah Lúcio doesn't have the accent he should so it's definitely possible they could reveal Sojourn or Fio to not be American
last inlet
They could make any number of reasons for heroes not "having the accent [they] should". Learning English from Americans, traveling often, learning from our ever expanding cultural presence in other countries, etc
worthy rose
Not sure why people compare overwatch to games like LoL as an excuse for it not having the cinematics in the game, as LoL is a free to play game, overwatch you have to pay for. Big difference there imo. Of course free to play games are less focused with the lore.
peak escarp
the lore is all free though
worthy rose
Just there are many people who enjoy the lore to overwatch, the animators do really hard work on the scenes and blizzard doesn’t put them in the game. It just doesn’t make sense. Some little kids who probably own overwatch haven’t even discovered the lore online.
Yeah I’m not saying it can’t stay free
It’s great how they upload it to YouTube
peak escarp
a lot of people know about Overwatch just from the shorts and comics - they don't even play the game
half pasture
I'm not using LoL as an excuse for Overwatch's method of lore delivery
I'm comparing them because they're similar in how they deliver lore
It's not that "Lol doesn't care about lore much and Overwatch uses mostly the same model of storytelling therefore Overwatch shouldn't care either"
It's just that they have similar models of storytelling
worthy rose
I wish they did more with the lore, comics isn’t enough imo. How many people wish they implemented more into the game, or if they did an overwatch series or movie
Personally I’m not exactly happy with the model of story telling because it certainly could be better
I think the best thing blizzard has done with the lore is the cinematics but they are generally pretty short
half pasture
I just worry that upping the amount of lore will vastly lower the quality
because Blizz writing hasn't exactly been great lately elsewhere
Overwatch has its problems but it hasn't ever come close to the depths of WoW or Starcraft or Diablo
(though wow is complicated in that no matter how terrible the expansion's lore is in general there's usually cool lore to be found somewhere)
naive dirge
What about cross platform in overwatch
peak escarp
that's not really a question for this channel
unkempt trail
You guys are using the word lore when reffering to things like story, those are two very different things
Jumping on the LoL comparison, retconns and all, LoL has at the very least started to create bigger/significant stories within its universe than most of what Overwatch has
iron plume
lol is also 10 years old
calm patio
^
peak escarp
when Overwwatch is 10 years old, I expect it will have many more stories and a lot more lore
but it has only just reached its 3rd anniversary, and they're still setting up the major plot points
unkempt trail
Not trying to stir up trouble, but giving it a pass for "only 3 years" feels unearned as that would be plenty of time to flesh out the start of a plot and to present it to the public
peak escarp
they haven't done anything to advance the plot since 2017
worthy rose
It's like we're at the Captain America stage but havent had the first Avengers movie yet
That's how it sounds
peak escarp
things have basically been on hold for the last year and a half for undisclosed reasons
unkempt trail
Yeah that's exactly what I mean, we really haven't progressed the plot very much, and short interactions or snippets of the characters is hardly pertinent material, most don't even interconnect
peak escarp
but things are about to resume soon, since comics are back in production
and we've been introduced to a major antagonist
worthy rose
They can't push the plot forward without major characters.
And they can't just drop the actual game.
unkempt trail
My biggest hope for the story going forward is that the next stuff focuses on better connecting part of the disjointed character groups and setting some actual plot- points in motion. Being shown the next bad guy isn't meaningful because we can't relate to who he is or what he's done
worthy rose
And that's what they will (hopefully) show in the next lore drop.
peak escarp
they must have plans on how to bring all the stories together
or else what's the point of having completely unrelated heroes?
tawny patio
I’m just saying to make mcu comparisons
Iron Man was 11 years ago
So if you want to make those types of comparisons
Overwatch has eight more years to build to end game level stuff
sooooo
worthy rose
But Overwatch isnt the mcu
It could take eight years, it could take less
And they dont rake in money with lore like marvel does with a new movie
And they have to actually make a game as well.
peak escarp
that isn't so much of a problem, since the lore team doesn't make the game and vice versa
but on the other hand, the game and the lore aren't as separate as people think they are
calm patio
is doomfist the main antagonist?
and if ow does manage to stop talon, they probable have to kill doomfist, and if he dies, then would he be unplayable? if one of the heros died in the lore, would that hero be unplayable? i mean, i would love for the bastion to die and not exist but thats baisd matters
peak escarp
Jeff said if a hero died in the lore, they'd still be playable
peak escarp
they don't have to kill him though
they could just lock him up again
except better this time
calm patio
eh, high hopes
devout sable
I think the hero most likely to die is Reinhardt
it certainly feels like he's being set up for some kind of heroic sacrifice
peak escarp
yeah
desert hawk
Yes. Tho I can see doom first also dying
peak escarp
why?
tawny patio
@worthy rose I made the mcu comparison because it’d already come up above
..by you...
desert hawk
Because they be building him up, and then have him die, kinda like thanos, spend time building him up, then have something big happen, either he dies or switches side, (that’s what I can see happening)
peak escarp
the bad guy doesn't always have to die
and it's usually better if the heroes avoid killing
fringe blade
I am really hoping that they are doing something extremely big and secret lore-wise
One can dream
But honestly, I can't imagine anything that is worth this long of a wait except for Story Mode, but we know that ain't happening'
half pasture
I half expect a spinoff game
fringe blade
I mean, ehh
Maybe
They still do work on the game, quite a bit, but not on the lore
And the lore department itself can't just make a spinoff itself
They must be doing SOMETHING
hasty surge
It would be better if there is no bad guy good guy thing
peak escarp
the next run of comics should quench our thirst
I just wish we'd get an ETA on those
something other than Soon™
paper gazelle
And that something is most likely what brack calls "other work"
And I heard they're almost finished with "phase 1" of the lore
I'm hinting the next phase is bigger and focuses on the future rather than the past, which is what I think phase 1 kind of did
peak escarp
yeah
phase 1 was setting up why things are happening in the present
by explaining the past and showing people answering the Recall
paper gazelle
To me that's actually understandable
I feel like they needed to set up a context of the organization first
Before moving on
And speaking about the "other work" I'm speculating a spin-off and a larger expansion, both which comes with new lore
peak escarp
I'd love to see some spinoff games
Overwatch is supposed to be a new core franchise
and spinoffs are a great way to expand on the lore
dense estuary
spinoffs also have the upside of keeping the original game its own title.
and possibly let one explore different game types
after all Warcraft got its roots as RTS games.
tawny patio
I mean technically capture is an option
Instead of die or change
They’d just need to be
Really really secure
fringe blade
I mean, how secure can you really get
tawny patio
Given doomfist already punched himself out of prison
fringe blade
Wasn't DF being held in one of the best prisons?
tawny patio
Capture is a
Hard but theoretical
Option
Though honestly it is completely possible if he was captured at the end of some mass war that he caused
He may see it as humanity having evolved and therefore having completed his goal?
If he views beating him/talon after they succeed in their mass chaos plans
As the sort of “end boss” measure for humanity’s growth at this point in time
regal coyote
spinoff game? we may get a phone app overwatch game which is "overwatch 2"
do you guys not have phones? -some dumbfuck
but in all honesty it is probable we actually have phone game, not play like ow but with characters, unfortunately
cunning ledge
hamster no
regal coyote
given that shitlord activision is obstructing blizzard normal game ideas
cunning ledge
pls
regal coyote
i dont want it either
but yeah
on the other front, if it is something like a cardgameish thing like darkest dungion with cards or similar, then it is not too bad
it would give new cards/lore
and not bt something shitty, at worst it would be like a weaker hearthstone
think about ti though from lroe perspectiave, a type ov ow based agent mnagement game, where you ahve a watchpoint and sending agent out each day for missions, and have things ike character and item cards, that would deliver lore for certain
regal coyote
i am think of new ways to get lore
and not grindy p2w game, mroe like in terms os soemthing similar to xcom
regal coyote
so some heros areon auto missions and work which last hours
and you get a team that does soem kind of playable mission once in a while
cunning ledge
this isn't really lore
regal coyote
it does nto have to be p2w either (though probably have paying element knowing activision)
the idea is new characters with background can be introduced.
also there can be events, which give us lore on overwatch events
like "the hunt for redator" as a event, with storying and what not.
also items and organizations and things to interact with, all ways to delvier lore
obviously normal daily shit like "oh clean up this area of talon thugs" are not lore important, that is basically a daily job, but eents and happenings can be lore.
like each character may have sotryline mission as they level.
it has been done tha way on non mobilr and mobile games, on the better games that is.
civic tapir
did anyone notice in the pins sym is still categorized in the support section, with her old abilities also.
before the rework
cunning ledge
yeah uh
about that
- i'm in denial about the new classification system
- we haven't had sym lore since the reworks
i'm willing to change it if people want that though
iron plume
you should change the italics at least
half pasture
look everyone other than 76 has really bad cardio
peak escarp
I think it just represents Soldier having better speed/endurance than an ordinary human
worthy rose
I think our look into his lore always comes from other characters being introduced, esp Moira and Doomfist
and the Archives event
worthy rose
^
peak escarp
but more would be nice too
peak escarp
I'm curious about Reyes' background, where he's from, what his family was like, why he joined the army, etc.
I liked the Bastet story
it was a little weak, but it gave some interesting insight into Jack's personality, and answered questions about what happened to Ana after being shot
sharp trench
Maybe like a series of animated shorts detailing the backstories of all the characters
That don't have animated shorts
peak escarp
eh, I think comics/short stories would be more effective
worthy rose
It struck me as Michael Chu rushing past important details and writing a half-baked story for the sake of having a story.
peak escarp
we get more information with them
sharp trench
Still, an animated short on Reaper would be neat
peak escarp
Bastet originally started out as just a blog post, and got expanded into a short story
sharp trench
Wtf is bastet
worthy rose
I was tempted to try and rewrite it but there's so much
half pasture
Honestly it more feels like a random table setting chapter in the middle of a book than like, a short story
worthy rose
Do omnics experience romance
yea
I mean I assume they're capable since in the Widow cinematic we see what I assume is a omnic and human couple
spice grove
excuse me but how tf do you have sex with an omnic
lusty mountain
spice grove
why the hell would someone go through the trouble of romancing everything attached to the dildo if they can idk... buy just the dildo and call it a day
maybe they can be as one in the iris
if we ever learn wtf it is
peak escarp
maybe it's about the emotional connection, not the sexual satisfaction
if omnics are equivalent to people and capable of feeling love and other emotions, it would be the same as two people falling in love
gentle token
^^^
peak escarp
excuse me but how tf do you have sex with an omnic