it’s not like it would be a crippling blow to morale as if she was paralyzed or whatever
#lore-discussion
iron plume
limpid agate
"D.Va, our immortal star, has injuries but should recover soon. Let's just say she has no injuries"
iron plume
yeah idk
broken arm kinda seems like it’s in this area where “not a scratch” is more than a small spin, but at the same time there’s not a huge reason to hide it
to me it suggests they’ve done this before
frosty shell
I wonder if D. Va thought she was going to die when she jumped out of the MEKA
iron plume
but she’s not in critical condition is my point
if she was it’d be crippling so it’s a reason to hide it as long as possible
if it was light it’s a reason to not bother
peak escarp
also we don't know how long passes between the fight and that news report
iron plume
still, they don’t say “she good now”, they say she didn’t get injured
idk i’m not gonna die on that hill but it seems pretty fucking shady to me
mystic summit
did somebody say starcraft
unkempt trail
Because Meka is their main line of defence against the Gwishin, and at the same time some of their most prized celebrities, lying about injuries and making them seem less than they are is crucial to maintaining public trust and order
If people start hearing that Meka is getting battered, imagine the panic and the general anxiety of the population as their security becomes unsure
viscid totem
StarCraft
worthy rose
i just wanted to say that I love you all 😃
pliant sparrow
That’s a pretty fragile cover for Meka Korea have, one media outlet gets ‘lucky’ and the whole public image would crumble
regal coyote
even then a bit of damage is nothing, as long as the MEKA are still winning theya re still big time hero
Worse case would be MEKA getting actually defeated and someone got it on cam, but unlikely the case since the MEKA are quite a few steps ahead for now, if not for them somehow getting an attack at a time where the pilots are all on holiday.
Maybe korea should invest on simple things like some early warning scouts for one, nothing costly, just simple scout and perimenter watchers.
muted fog
well, the MEKA squad in Shooting Star i believe was badly beat up after the fight
i wonder how long it would take to repair one of those big machines
worthy rose
honestly
that could be a current mission for the lore
Like MEKA squad is currently out of commission and can't act so new Overwatch comes in and fights the Gwishin
Since the ones that attacked DVA are seemingly just new models instead of the big bad boss
proud lynx
Can someone explain to me why Bastion is a different colour to the red ones?
pliant sparrow
Possibly going in to rescue one or two trapped pilots?
The paint was probably scraped away since he was abandoned for so long
proud lynx
Hmmmm
pliant sparrow
Or colour correlated to where they’re positioned
peak escarp
worthy rose
Or the colors could have just faded
peak escarp
Overgrown (Bastion's appearance from The Last Bastion) looks like the Omnic Crisis if they were left out in the sun for 15 years
worthy rose
bastion was buried for a long time
peak escarp
which it was
proud lynx
Yea fair enough
peak escarp
Bastion's classic skin represents its new look after Torbjorn took it in
proud lynx
Oh so Torb did a few changes to Bastion?
muted fog
torb built bastion, basically
worthy rose
*designed
muted fog
well, yeah
peak escarp
Bastion's Ironclad passive is the only hero change that has been given a lore explanation
muted fog
but
worthy rose
So Torb would probably be best able to make upgrades
muted fog
torb still played a major part in Bastion's existence
peak escarp
proud lynx
Wait so in Binary did Bastion cross the ocean to get to Sweden?
peak escarp
yes
proud lynx
Man that's some good rust resistance
cunning ledge
somehow ganymede followed him too
cunning ledge
i meant more
how did ganymede know where to follow him
when he's at the bottom of the ocean
limpid agate
🤷
proud lynx
Well maybe he lit up cause you know, the ocean is dark so he would light up
cunning ledge
the baltic sea is pretty deep
peak escarp
Ganymede is . . . there's a lot of unanswered questions about Ganymede
proud lynx
Well kind of n unimportant character when it comes to the whole scheme of things
peak escarp
yes
proud lynx
Wait do we know its gender?
proud lynx
Oh thought it would be female
peak escarp
why?
proud lynx
Dunno just thought it would make sence
peak escarp
also both males and females are involved in nest building, depending on the species
since Ganymede doesn't match any known species, they can make up whatever they want about it
limpid agate
The character Ganymede is named after is also a dude.
proud lynx
Huh, well ya learn something new everyday
cunning ledge
yeah, ganymede is a greek mythology guy
and also a planet, like those sorts of things tend to be
cunning ledge
that's the one
proud lynx
So do you guys think Junker Queen will ever be a hero
cunning ledge
I'm fairly sure of it
worthy rose
Junker Queen, Echo, Sojourn and Liao I think are confirmed in the works atm
cunning ledge
queen is confirmed?
proud lynx
Yea, wait who's Liao?
cunning ledge
that doesn't mean hero
worthy rose
it was on one of the twitch streamers streams
so I assume that means up for hero duty
cunning ledge
liao is a name mentioned in this article
worthy rose
Liao was one of the founders in the original strike team
worthy rose
besides the name
peak escarp
Liao hasn't been mentioned since 2016
worthy rose
we know next to nothing
I seriously suspect they're the healer of the original strike team but no idea
cunning ledge
liao likely doesn't exist any more, or at least not in the same form as they did in 2016
peak escarp
Junker Queen, Echo and Sojourn are the ones that devs have talked about recently
cunning ledge
probably due to first strike cancellation
half pasture
Isn't there a character in Ana's video that could be liao
worthy rose
no he's not asian mohawk man
cunning ledge
mohawk man could turn out to be liao
peak escarp
it was confirmed that he isn't Liao
half pasture
ah
cunning ledge
oop
worthy rose
they confirmed it wasn't
cunning ledge
musta missed that
peak escarp
Chu said so at SDCC 2016
proud lynx
Could just mean that Junker Queen is going to feature in a comic or short or something
cunning ledge
well that's good to know then
peak escarp
there isn't a transcript of that panel anywhere, so not many people know about it
that's also when Chu said that Jack was 1 year younger than Gabe
worthy rose
what do you think junker queen's kit would be?
I think she should be like a fast melee character
half pasture
tank, we need more tanks
proud lynx
Two ideas.
- Mech Tank character
- Sniper
worthy rose
as a tank main no
half pasture
Honestly I suspect a bunch of patched together gear from scrap like roadhog and junkrat
worthy rose
roadhog is my favorite character
proud lynx
@worthy rose one of my favs to
worthy rose
im thinking maybe she runs like scout from tf2 and has a hammer like reindhart
but the hammer is like a bat
proud lynx
You can see her gun near her throne in Junkertown
worthy rose
her poster has her holding a bat tho
well it's not a bat but it's some kind of melee weapon
worthy rose
maybe her e is like a bat swing and it has the cooldown of like 5 seconds and it hits people away
hitting people away with like a bat and having a sniper would be super cool
would deal with like genji doomfist
half pasture
I mean what would another sniper even add to the game
proud lynx
Sorta like ashe
half pasture
but that starts to get outside the lore area
worthy rose
I'd prefer a tank who breaks other tanks
proud lynx
She would be pretty cool in like a junker mech with like Sawblades or something
proud lynx
Alright yea she'd probably be Dps
worthy rose
maybe she could be a mech character and when she comes out of mech she's more of an escape character than like a building ult character like dva
limpid agate
There are more ways to make mech characters than D.Va/Hammond
In another world, Pharah would be considered a mech
worthy rose
what would junker queen's like ultimate be though
proud lynx
Yea and so can Rein
limpid agate
Likewise, there are always really out there mech designs like REcluse
!!wiki Recluse
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limpid agate
A mech doesnt need to be a fully enclosed vehicle
Not all automobiles are cars. Some automobiles are motorcycles or snowmobiles.
proud lynx
Her ult? Well it depends on if she's DPS or Tank
proud lynx
Well maybe she can like summon a motorcycle or something
proud lynx
Well it would be just like BOB but with a bike
worthy rose
maybe
there's not alot of characters to introduce that can be support
Even though i want a new support character
proud lynx
I feel like echo might be support or even sojourn
worthy rose
I want her to be like lucio speed or like hammond in a ball on walking speed
sojourn seems like baptisite
im pretty sure they can make something like that in workshop
just like lucio and the hammer of reindhart
proud lynx
See I don't know what kinda weapon they'll give her
worthy rose
i havent seen much of her with a gun if you want to dm me her gun you can
peak escarp
she's seen carrying something that looks like a long-handled axe
and there are spear-like weapons near the throne on Junkertown
worthy rose
yeah
proud lynx
I'm talking about Sojourn
peak escarp
ah
worthy rose
lemme get the junker queen thing first'
Maybe if she couldnt get a melee weapon
She could get a flamethrower
proud lynx
Yeah surprised there hasn't been a flamethrower character yet
worthy rose
okay go on about sojourn
proud lynx
Well I would be happy with some sort of heavy weapon like an RPG or something
worthy rose
i think they wanted baptisite to do that
proud lynx
Maybe even a Mini gun
proud lynx
Instead of his ult?
proud lynx
Yeah
proud lynx
Yeah but I don't think they'll rework him.
worthy rose
my bad
proud lynx
So what do you think this big new feature Blizzard keeps teasing is?
I don't think its Workshop
proud lynx
Anyway I gotta go. See ya later
worthy rose
bye
muted fog
what we need is an explination on why there isn't any lore on zen
he's really well made, but his backstory is really limited
peak escarp
it's because he isn't important to the story
timid eagle
With Sojourn, I would like a hero that’s pure close combat, green beret corps-style.
clever pulsar
Sojourn's coms sounded very Destiny Esque
peak escarp
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limpid agate
@somber pilot Sojourn is not an omnic.
somber pilot
allegedly. i'm not discounting the possibility that extensive cybernetics could result in what we saw
peak escarp
they didn't have the same voice
somber pilot
did the bot speak?
half pasture
We see a picture of her on tracers bike
half pasture
The bot is not Sojourn
pale sigil
Who is the omnic at the end though
wonder if they'll be in a new comic or next years archives event
half pasture
the current conspiracy theory is they're next hero, since they have a voice actor and model already
limpid agate
It is speculated that they are leader of Null Sector
limpid agate
We were not told
half pasture
Though Echo has a model and a voice actor already so don't take that as confirmation
the null sector theory is basically based on what Doomfist says to them and that they're purple
grand bluff
And I am assuming we do not have info on hero 31, correct?
Other than: it isn't echo
limpid agate
Its also not Sojourn or the Queen
grand bluff
Where did they confirm this? Just curious
grand bluff
Ah okay, I should check up on that
fickle sail
who was that character at the end of the Mcree/Ash backstory video? im a little bit behind on some of the lore and info
limpid agate
!!wiki Echo
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limpid agate
@fickle sail
fickle sail
okay so it is echo. i just wasnt sure cuz i havnt dived into the recent lore. but thank you!
peak escarp
it was ohnickel's Storm Rising stream, if you wanted to look it up
fickle sail
Overpowered or nah, you think?
peak escarp
we don't know what she can do
limpid agate
She is confirmed to be a hero.
valid shell
@fickle sail Why would she be overpowered?
fickle sail
sorry guys, idk i just feel like all the new heroes that come out are very OP until theyre balanced, just pickin at your guys brains a little to hear what you's think
half pasture
I would have thought doomfist
peak escarp
Orisa was made to counter Doomfist
unreal notch
also reinhardt
limpid agate
Reinhardt is neither powerful nor post-launch
He is strong enough to destroy Bastions
But he gets thrown around by OR14s
Which are downgrades of Orisa
unreal notch
desert yacht
who would be the most powerful hero of them all though
left granite
In one of the story videos, maybe Doomfist
desert yacht
you don't even have to scroll up to see that orisa is stronger than doomfist
she was made to counter him
left granite
oh, whoops
desert yacht
dva, because of her mech, could be a candidate
i'm just gonna put it down as too difficult as a question
not enough knowledge no most of the heroes' strength in lore
limpid agate
Winston, Orisa, Reaper, and Symmetra are the 4 candidates I would say
Winston outpunched Doomfist
Orisa was built to counter Doomfist
Reaper does not seem to be capable of death
Symmetra's limits are unknown. She is the OW equivalent of a Green Lantern in my eyes
Mechs exist, but then its the question of if Tokki is stronger or weaker than Orisa
And based on the Gwishin, I'd wager D.Va's mech would get punched around by Doomfist
Haven't seen much of Wrecking Ball either
hasty surge
Also speaking of mechs
Is it possible for us to see a hero with hard light mech? Say sanjay?
polar rampart
Reaper is big trash
hasty surge
When he ults he surrounds himself with this mech that takes time to build
teal meadow
reaper is powerful in lore wise, just because he can't die
unkempt trail
What about Genji? He seems pretty powerful all things considered
Because if you think that OR14s and Orisa were designed to stop and control big, hard hitting melee opponents, they'd have trouble against someone agile that could potentially outmanuever them
So Genji and maybe Tracer have an advantage
Sombra could have the tools to combat most technological adversaries
But would probably struggle a bit against someone organic and / or equipped with "dumb" weapons
sick robin
So I've been hearing about a voice line that I can never find with Ashe and Hanzo
Ashe basically says something like Hanzo shouldn't trust McCree, but Hanzo says he's had an experience with not trusting people and McCree isn't one of them
Like wut did he REALLY Do
Ugh Voice Line Hunting is hard ;-;
sand gust
Shipp confirmed
peak escarp
I've looked through the audio files
Ashe doesn't have any new interactions
there's only one good Hanzo line
regal coyote
i dont think gameplay has much to do with real character ability sometimes
as such we dont know who can counter doomie other then Winston proven to be able to do it
Reaper is strong af having regen but we dont know if doomfist keeps a trump card on him
Orisa was designed to counter doomfist, but it is in a way a smartgirl's fantasy, and she has no real combat experience (both efi and roissa), sure she is made with good hero concepts but she is too young and low level in this case
Symmetra is an unknown yes
Meka exist, so?
We know the hero class is capable of destroying a mech, at least reaper did it on his own.
It is a maybe, but MEKA does nto seem to be strong in physical combat, at least not Tokki. Demon maybe
My bet is on symmetra, and maybe Moira
Also Symmetra, I mean Doomfist is all tech up, and not surprised if she already have a "jsut in case" plan on doomfist
winter lance
Hanzos just annoying to play against
limpid agate
Not relevant
iron plume
Orisa counters DF but I don’t think she’s more powerful than him
it’s more like she’s got a good matchup
she’s strong but also defensive, Idk if the fusion cannon packs that much firepower
it’s also why I wouldn’t say 14 is a straight downgrade from her
they might be more deadly
high thunder
Who do you think will die in the final battle (if there is one) between Overwatch and Talon (if people do die)?
worthy rose
I don't think anyone besides the original founding members honestly
peak escarp
I don't think anyone will die, but if I had to choose . . . Reinhardt
limpid agate
If anyone dies, itll probably be a Snowball sacrifice.
Where death is cheap and they come back
limpid agate
How does your phone come back when the battery dies?
frosty shell
I doubt Symmetra could reach Green Lantern levels because she can only harness a limited energy
high thunder
when will sym realise that sanjay is a no good scumbag
peak escarp
I'd pick Reinhardt to die because it would have the most emotional impact, and he already has his replacement/protégé ready to go
it would also bring his story full circle - his mentor sacrificed himself to save Reinhardt after he was reckless, so Reinhardt might sacrifice himself
mental void
I agree with that. I could also see tracer, depending upon how you see her in terms of being apart of the og team.
mental void
True. Just food for thought.
high thunder
maybe soldier 76 and reaper
mental void
I think that that would also bring around some good final story moments.
What about Ana?
mental void
I just figured that it would possibly bring Soldier and Reaper together, or it would be the thing that they kill each other over.
limpid agate
No one is dying anytime soon
The only other case that they will kill someone off is if the VA dies.
mental void
Are the devs planning on making a better story for Baptiste? I have only heard that he was talon and isn't anymore.
peak escarp
a lot of the heroes who aren't primary characters are light on lore
lean prawn
we're in the recall phase so most lore is going to heroes with ties to overwatch
mental void
Ah. Thanks for the info.
high thunder
how many phases will there be
limpid agate
... The hell are you talking about?
high thunder
because ow was released in 2016 and we're still in recall phase
high thunder
i was copying others
peak escarp
the story will progress when enough pieces have been put in place
pliant sparrow
It’s the most recent event we know of so far and is where the story is currently at
high thunder
k
lean prawn
all of the lore in the past is being revealed to set up the present-day conflicts
pliant sparrow
^
lean prawn
a three act-structure isn't the only way to write a story but I'm putting my chips on the assumption that it was written like that
peak escarp
@pliant sparrow what's the most recent event?
peak escarp
yeah, that's what I was going to say
lean prawn
the most recent event is Mei making it back to the mainland?
or is it symmetra's comic?
peak escarp
most recent event is Zarya fighting Sombra in the Searching comic
lean prawn
where is the sombra cinematic in the timeline?
high thunder
that is USEFUL
peak escarp
some of it is guesses so don't take it as a reliable source
but this is the timeline of present day as best as I could figure out
peak escarp
last year's short wasn't premiered at Gamescom
white cobalt
Last year was like some stuff in gamescom and the other they were in korea right?
high thunder
what is the latest short?
iron plume
Reunion
white cobalt
Reunion, McCree/Ashe/Echo
high thunder
ah k
acoustic glacier
Isn't the newest short technically the Storm Rising cutscenes?
peak escarp
shorts are the cinematic animations, not the in-game cutscenes
inland citrus
Can't wait lol
half pasture
Is there any new lore in non-storm rising havana?
limpid agate
You can also expect hero 31 in July, teasers in June
peak escarp
and new hero releases usually come with some lore explaining how they fit into the story
half pasture
there's always at least an origin video
limpid agate
The last 3 heroes were not all to relevant or important
But the 6 before them were
Might just be an off year and it will kick back to important characters
Especially with the upcoming Echo/Sojourn
peak escarp
could have been "filler" heroes while the lore/comics was on hiatus
limpid agate
Orisa being a weird one to call important
She herself isn't important
But her arc was a big part of Doomfist's
It was his return. And we know now that he is the big bad.
acoustic glacier
we BEEN new he was the big bad
limpid agate
What
peak escarp
we didn't know he was associated with Talon until his release
before that he was just a bad guy that Overwatch defeated
bleak skiff
Soldier 76 is 55 years old
peak escarp
source?
bleak skiff
Eh that's what I think
worthy rose
I thought he was like 60
bleak skiff
i think of him as 55
peak plaza
Soldier 76 and reaper age is unknown
limpid agate
Reaper's is known
pliant sparrow
Does his decaying/regenerating body slow down ageing?
limpid agate
I dunno, corpses age.
His body appears to be rather necrotic. Moira's hand definitely is
wet fractal
Good Morning everyone
glad willow
Good morning? It's afternoon here luv. Good morning anyways
sick robin
@peak escarp how do you ineract with overwatch's file
wet fractal
lol, slignerd
sleek dove
wet fractal
lol
peak escarp
he's not
gentle token
Timetraveler?
peak escarp
they're probably referring to the date on McCree's Deadlock tattoo
which is only seen on his tattoo and his Deadlock skin, not on any other version of the logo
there's a very simple solution to this
gentle token
Maybe McCree just likes the aesthetic or he stole the design from somewhere else
Like how a lot of things have that est thing on them
peak escarp
or rather, he was a member of the biker club before he formed the Deadlock gang with Ashe
so he already had the tattoo
Ashe's version of the logo doesn't have the date or the eyepatch
gentle token
It'd be nice to get an official statement from Chu about this, but those are some very good ideas about it
peak escarp
also, it's weird that the logo says "Deadlock Rebels" when McCree's gang has only ever been called the "Deadlock Gang"
gentle token
Maybe the Rebels had some subdivisions?
peak escarp
but Ashe and McCree are the founders of the gang
gentle token
Weren't there others as well? Or am I thinking wrongly
peak escarp
there's two others, but they're not important enough to get names
gentle token
Yet at least
It could be that Ashe is the head boss and each of the others made subdivisions from it
I may be wrong though
peak escarp
what does that have to do with the logo having the wrong name?
gentle token
Well it could be that Ashe leads the Rebels, and McCree leads the Gang.
Like, idk how to explain this
But Rebels is the big group but in it there are smaller groups, i.e. Gang, maybe some others
Again, I am probably thinking to deeply into this
Idk if I'm making sense lol
wet fractal
hm
peak escarp
my theory is that the Deadlock Rebels is the biker gang that McCree was a member of before meeting Ashe
and he already had the tattoo
wet fractal
or maybe they just say deadlock gang instead of saying the deadlock rebels gang everytime
gentle token
Ah, so its most likely they just yoinked the logo for themselves to use?
wet fractal
cute pfp! @gentle token
gentle token
Thanks you too!
wet fractal
peak escarp
whatever the case is, there's a much simpler explanation than time travel/McCree and Ashe being immortal vampires
that sort of time travel doesn't exist in OW
regal coyote
the fuck with them two being run resisting vampires that glitter under the sun shit, this is not twilight trash. Sigh.
But on the serious side, does McCree have a Streetname?
peak escarp
streetname?
regal coyote
I mean, we know it is Calamity Ashe, though no one calls her that, is/was there any name for him?
regal coyote
then the second thing is, is Jesse really his name though.
peak escarp
yes
regal coyote
I surely hope no one pulls a "han solo" (and srsly rather it be like the original than that crap movie)
peak escarp
"I don't know what you've heard, but my name is not Joel."
regal coyote
is that a joke like though for what it is as we know it
peak escarp
it's a reference to the fact that he was called Joel during development, before Blizzard dev Jesse McCree signed away his name
regal coyote
yes it was from blizzcon 2 years ago
kindred sorrel
this game has lore?
peak escarp
but his legal name is Jesse McCree (as far as we know)
@kindred sorrel yes it does, quite a bit actually
kindred sorrel
never knew
regal coyote
read them in the pins
peak escarp
you must not have been paying attention then
peak escarp
trolls need to stop doing that
I don't go into the competitive channel and say "lol OW is a game?"
even without going out of your way to watch the shorts or read the comics or play the Archives missions, the lore is all over the place in the game
wet fractal
Yeah
Last week someone came here and said there was no lote
Lore
But that person got banned so it worked out XD
grand bluff
Which, by the way, the shorts are incredible and I want more
peak escarp
agreed
I'd like them to do more per year, but I understand the amount of time and effort that goes into them, so I don't want to rush it
grand bluff
I didn't get into overwatch till s4 but it's my understanding that the amount of shorts they have done have really slowed down as of late, which is a shame. I remember piecing them together and watching a bunch of theory videos after the fact
desert yacht
I’m pretty sure they just released a ton before the game’s release and have been releasing them at a constant pace post release
half pasture
it's more two a year, one in august one at blizzcon, but there were like 4 pre launch so people expect more
comics I think there has been a slow but it's not that bad
desert yacht
The last comic we got was over a year ago
peak escarp
yes
desert yacht
I’m guessing it’s gonna be centered around the main cast again, but i personally want a lucio vs vishkar short
Or just any lucio short in general
I’m pretty sure he’s the only launch hero that hasn’t been featured in a short or comic yet
grand bluff
I think Lucio short would be really cool. I hope we get to see more of the characters interact though
half pasture
hell just have Lucio be around the main cast for some reason
peak escarp
I'm expecting one featuring Mercy, since she's the last former Overwatch member who hasn't responded to the recall
grand bluff
I especially want one for mercy this year
There were a lot of people questioning her allegiance. Not sure why exactly, partially because of the devil skins probably, but I'd like to see more about her
(and her secrecy in general)
desert yacht
She was never a big fan of overwatch
She used it because it gave her access to the resources to help more people
grand bluff
Yeah that's pretty much what I surmised
peak escarp
I want to see her say no to the Recall (but still end up helping them in some way)
desert yacht
I mean that’s what I’d be expecting
half pasture
she doesn't seem happy with how they used her tech
grand bluff
She definitely isn't
desert yacht
Ana
grand bluff
She says it a few times with Ana
peak escarp
she doesn't like it being used to harm people
grand bluff
And if I'm not wrong, Moira also used some of it correct?
half pasture
and of course she hates Moira
peak escarp
Moira used her research
grand bluff
Mercy is a genius but she doesn't want to see harm befall anyone. By the nature of overwatch, people are still getting hurt
desert yacht
Despite that it seems that she’d be on good terms with Ana if Ana were to reveal herself to mercy
grand bluff
Mercy keeps a polite relationship with Ana but she disapproves in my interpretation
desert yacht
Yeah
grand bluff
She isn't really full of hate
desert yacht
I know this would be extremely unlikely, but a Moira and mercy short would be fun to see
Though it would be very hard to get a situation where they’re in the same place
Mercy visiting oasis maybe
grand bluff
Essentially showing the history of how Moira used the research and Mercy trying to stop her?
peak escarp
at least Ana respects Mercy's skill enough that she was the first choice to go to when Jack was injured
grand bluff
Yeah I don't think Ana has any hostility for Mercy
desert yacht
Or vice versa (if she knew of Ana still being alive), i just think mercy disapproved of that one thing
peak escarp
Mercy's research has been published - anyone can read it, so there's not much Mercy could do about Moira using it
it's not like she stole it or something
desert yacht
do we know where Ana got the gun?
desert yacht
so Mercy doesn’t canonically know that Ana has it (because she doesn’t know Ana is alive), that’s just how mercy would probably react if Ana and jack were to go to her
peak escarp
probably
she is a bit more levelheaded than she is portrayed in the Katuswatch animation though
I think she would be able to rationalize it better
she might have even heard rumors of Soldier 76 and the public theory that he's Jack Morrison
she might have even heard of the Shrike/Bastet, depending on how far her reputation traveled/where Mercy is located
desert yacht
not gonna lie I forgot about the bastet katsuwatch animation
it was pretty damn good though
desert yacht
agreed
peak escarp
I'm not bothered by the Hakim fight taking place "off screen" in Bastet
the whole piece was about character moments between Jack and Ana - no need to throw a fight scene in there
grand bluff
I thought the katsuwatch animation was just a way to get fan involvement official, I don't take much from that
peak escarp
yeah it's like the other fanart they commission from time to time
high thunder
so mercy's place is sort of like the governments view of overwatch, calling them criminals, but not really. Like, she doesn't like them hurting people and the government think they're criminals so that is kind of similar
regal coyote
mercy is ultra stuckup ethical
and governmnt view is mroe political, (as we know most poilticial, of not all, are not really on the ethcial side at all)
we dont know why mercy go agaisnt overwatch though is is probably soem stupid moral crusader action. But in the end i am sure she does not do it cause of personal gain.
But yeah she is the annoying type that would nto stand with her friends if they did things wrong
fossil isle
Ana got the gun from Torb. He developed the biotic rifle using Mercy's biotic tech.
But the fact that Torb made a rifle out of it was what bothered Mercy. As if her research and breakthroughs could be used for harm,
peak escarp
Torb designed it, but Ana didn't use it until after she vanished
until then she used a Kinamura - a standard sniper rifle
fossil isle
right right. and Mercy is ultimately a healer, a medic, a doctor, a preserver of life. It goes against her principles to harm despite knowing that it's necessary at times. She doesn't want to be complicit for causing death and harm due to her tech and innovations being used in ways that counteract the good that they were meant for
peak escarp
she would be fine with it if the healing rifle was only used to heal, but she notes that it could very easily be used to harm as well, and that's what she disagrees on
I like how the rifle is shown in the comic, with Ana choosing what ammo to shoot
pliant sparrow
Is Moira’s biotic healing based on mercy’s or is it her own work?
prisma orchid
Yeah, what Mercy is doing is "right" though for the sake of an interesting story I hope she changes her mind, hesitantly, and helps them quietly.
peak escarp
it seems to match with what we know of Mercy's healing
prisma orchid
It's probably the same science then. I was under that impresion.
peak escarp
Soldier's biotic field, Ana's grenade and healing ammo, and Moira's healing all seem to be derived from it
pliant sparrow
Do we know what it was exactly that Moira made breakthroughs in?
peak escarp
genetics
pliant sparrow
Ah
prisma orchid
All called Biotic in some circumstances
iron plume
The big question is baptiste
could be some tech Talon stole from OW
but might be unrelated
pliant sparrow
So as in altering genetic code to enhance people?
prisma orchid
Or, moria built it?
peak escarp
but her results couldn't be replicated, which means she either faked the results or lied about the methods
iron plume
Baptiste had it before Moira joined Talon
pliant sparrow
I could see her lying about the methods
prisma orchid
I want more story on Moira. She seems to be the most believeable Talon member
Everyone else has good reason, yes.
But her more than the others.
peak escarp
Moira doesn't care about good or evil
she cares about science and results
she's like GladOS
pliant sparrow
So could she be stuck in a similar cycle to reaper?
Only she’s being kept healthy by the healing qualities of her technology?
Considering that one of her hands/arms are withered
peak escarp
she's not as far gone as he is
and her arm isn't related to Reaper's condition/her fade
that happened before she met Reyes
her fade seems to be a refined/improved version of Reaper's wraith form
she may have also given it to the Talon snipers, since they appear smokey
valid bolt
Yes
also sombra may of sneaked some of the prototypes of the coronal accelerators and given them to a talon engineer to be enhanced
peak escarp
or did it herself
valid bolt
Idk
peak escarp
she has a workbench with a bunch of translocators on it in her room on Castillo
valid bolt
Oh ye
dawn halo
Actually, would anything unique happen in canon if Sombra's translocator and Tracer's chronal accelerator meet?
I don't know about that.
valid bolt
and the voice exchange between tracer and/or sombra where tracer points out she stole the translocator design from the accelerator(or just the whole thing, mechanisms and all idk) and sombra saying she needs the “” latest “” tech.
high thunder
aight bye
peak escarp
I don't think they would have any weird interactions
peak escarp
I don't think Sombra stole an actual chronal accelerator
more likely she hacked into the OW database and stole the design for it
then modified it to work for her
dense estuary
Or Talon already had it, Slipstream happened before fall of OW meaning Reyes had access to the systems when the accelerator was made. I bet he took a server dump over to Talon. And as of current time Sombra is a contractor with Talon.
peak escarp
the chronal accelerator was made specifically by Winston to treat Tracer's chronal disassociation
it's not the same as the teleporting matrix that was in the Slipstream
also there's no evidence of Reyes joining Talon until after the fall of Overwatch
half pasture
We still don't know precisely what started the fight between Morrison and reyes
fickle sail
im just tuning in, but yeah did they ever explain what happened between them?
fickle sail
do you think it could have been due to moral differences as well?
half pasture
They disagreed on the direction overwatch was taking but exactly how so and why that escalated to violence are unknown
peak escarp
their falling out seems to have started around Retribution, when Gabe hid things from Jack and got Blackwatch exposed
and things just accelerated from there
my theory is that once Ana 'died' and McCree left, there was nobody there to mediated between them
half pasture
And how a fight between two dudes with guns reached the point it destroyed the entire base
peak escarp
there was a bomb involved
fickle sail
i dont know too too much about like the backround of each character so if i ask questions that seem simple, i apologize.
peak escarp
also it wasn't just their fight that destroyed the HQ
there was also Talon sabotage
that's okay, we're here to answer questions
half pasture
Really well timed talon sabotage that
peak escarp
they probably did it then on purpose
make it look like Jack and Gabe's fight caused the explosion
make it look like an accident
fickle sail
jack and gabe im assuming is soldier and reaper? am i wrong?
peak escarp
yes, that's them
fickle sail
okay cool.
worthy rose
''One day, someone is gonna put an end to you!'' -soldier 76
peak escarp
we tend to use their real names when talking about them
peak escarp
more so for Jack than Gabe
fickle sail
thats no problem, just might take me a bit to remember whos who. been calling them by theyre character names for so long.
peak escarp
also because Jack is quicker to type than Soldier on mobile
fickle sail
got curious and checked blizzards bio on reaper and it says his name and stuff is unknown?
peak escarp
his bio is written from an in-universe POV
iron plume
so is Soldier's
peak escarp
what's there is what the public knows
fickle sail
"Real Name: Unknown, Age: Unknown
Occupation: Mercenary
Base of Operations: Unknown
Affiliation: Unknown"
ohhhh okay
peak escarp
but we know, through other sources, that he is Gabriel Reyes, age 58, from Los Angeles, CA
affiliated with Talon, formerly the commander of Blackwatch
fickle sail
i see, also i didnt know that tracers real name is "Lena Oxton"?
peak escarp
yes
fickle sail
idk why i didnt expect that name for her
peak escarp
the heroes real names can sometimes be heard in interactions
iron plume
Angela!
peak escarp
for example, sometimes Tracer talks to herself before a match: "Come on, Lena, stay focused."
fickle sail
yeah occasionally i hear lore stuff in the interactions before matchs. its cool that they did that.
peak escarp
if heroes call each other by their real names rather than their hero name, it usually indicates that they have history together
like Pharah will call McCree Jesse
Ana will call Soldier Jack
and so on
but some heroes use their first name as their hero name, so it doesn't always mean they have history
fickle sail
oh okay cool. how did Ana fake her death btw? i hear a lot of characters say stuff like "we thought you were dead" or "why didnt you come back"
peak escarp
read the comic Legacy
fickle sail
do you have a link by chance?
peak escarp
Ana loses a sniper fight against Widowmaker, and ends up with amnesia
check the pins on this channel
I forget what the command is to bring up the links
iron plume
!!lorecomics
twilit nacelleBOT
Unanimated Original Comics
Train Hopper: http://bit.ly/2f9VJqq
Dragon Slayer: http://bit.ly/1WFmOmd
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Mission Statement: http://bit.ly/2fkOsEH
Destroyer: http://bit.ly/1TTDBNB
Legacy: http://bit.ly/2a9FFma
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peak escarp
there it is
the short story Bastet also explains more about why she didn't come back
peak escarp
yeah, they used to do a lot of comics
they were on hiatus for 2018, and will return later this year
fickle sail
nice, im gonna have to catch up
peak escarp
watch the shorts too, if you haven't
fickle sail
ive seen all the shorts, might have to refresh tho. any order i should read these in? or just the order they are on blizzard?
peak escarp
that order is fine
fickle sail
okay thanks
howcome everyone got their character skins from the night of terror comic except genji? his is so good!
fickle sail
i really like the genji skin, its so simple but quality
peak escarp
eh, I thought it was too plain to work as a skin
fickle sail
i think thats what makes it great, it minimilistic. kinda plays to japapnese tradition as well
fickle sail
i guess, it still looks cool tho. maybe they'll modify it at some point
do you play on pc? or console?
peak escarp
both, but mostly on PS4
you can find a lot of bonus drawings if you look up the artists on artstation
gentle token
I do hope Genji eventually does get a Halloween skin (or really at this point just another skin) but yeah, that looks more like Hanzos silhouette in his one kabuki skin
peak escarp
since they released Havana now, we don't have a content release or event for June
they should do another mini event
hasty surge
They should jave summer games every 4 years and replace the other 3 with smth else
gentle token
Ooh like one of those week long ones? I like those a lot tbh
I want more summer skins that aren't sporty. Like Games stuff during olympics, which inspired the event, but normal summer skins the other times
peak escarp
I like the mix of sport and summer skins
gentle token
Genji volleyball would be fun too
peak escarp
Bastion already has boxing
ocean wadi
thats stupid
hasty surge
I think it would be funnier if bastion uses both his fist to fight
Rather then doomfist
worthy rose
Both DF and Bastion have only one fist to box (properly) with. It makes an equal amount of not-sense for both of them.
ocean wadi
doomfist is literally a fighter though
fistfighter
look at his sprays
they even reference muhammad ali
bastion should have taken something else like table tennis
limpid agate
Bastion has boxing because of Rockem Sockem Robots
His emote plays that off too
Shotput is weird though, should have been a different martial art
But definitely not Boxing
ocean wadi
i know, but it makes more sense for doom
limpid agate
Not Boxing
ocean wadi
he literally has a spray of himself wrapping his knuckles
limpid agate
Than Shotput? Arguably. However, It makes even more sense for him to be a diffetent martial arts form than Boxing.
hasty surge
Which martial art would you say?
peak escarp
his bio lists several
ocean wadi
unlike bastion, doomfist is literally a martial artist
limpid agate
He trained in traditional African fighting styles, including Dambe and Gidigbo, as well as in wrestling and other modern combat systems, incorporating the most effective techniques into his repertoire
There's more fist fighting combat arts than Boxing
peak escarp
interestingly, Dambe is a martial art where the combatants wrap just one fist and bludgeon each other with it
limpid agate
You could be arguing "Why does Rein have wrestling" instead
Doomfist explicitly wrestles
limpid agate
No, it's a comparison to how your comment based on references is pointless
Orisa has a spray where she is an ice cream sundae
Bastion Boxing is fine. Its literally just Rockem Sockem Robots. You cant really give him any other sport
Doomfist Shotput is dumb. He has it because of the emphasis on his fist, but a different martial art would have been better
Not Boxing
If you wanted one specifically you can pull from his bio
Arguing about boxing being more fitting is a waste though. Your just picking on Bastion when you can be picking on Rein instead
He only has wrestling because he is big. He could have been anything
peak escarp
if they're sticking with olympic sports, Judo or Taekwondo would have worked
limpid agate
Not Taekwondo
peak escarp
but Hammond has bowling, so I don't think that matters
peak escarp
is it?
oh
Judo is a lot of throws and not a lot of punching, but it's better than shotput
worthy rose
Judo is self defense
limpid agate
Other Olympically recognized Martial Arts are Karate, Budou, Glima, Savate, Sumo, and Wushu
Judo is an olympic medal sport
As is Karate, Taekwondo, Boxing, Freestyle Wrestling, and Greco-Roman Wrestling
The is lots of variety for combat sports
Only 3 are taken, the weirdest being Reinhardt on Wrestling
peak escarp
there's a few other heroes whose associated sports are odd choices
like Torbjorn and Water Polo
limpid agate
BMX Reaper
Javelin Orisa
High Jump Sombra. That whole year was weird choices
But what else would you give her. Could be anything
wary furnace
Ashe could be skeet shooting?
limpid agate
Missed chance for High jump Bapstiste
hasty surge
Who would give wrestling then if not rein?
desert yacht
I’d like to point out how the four American characters use pretty standard guns as their primary weapons
Soldier: AR
Ashe: Sniper Rifle
Reaper: Shotguns
McCree: Revolver
borderline shitpost I know, but I just wanted to point that out
iron plume
I’d hesitate to call Viper a sniper rifle
and Soldier’s AR is a pulse weapon
but you’re right in the sense that their guns are at least, well, guns
desert yacht
alright well the viper is a rifle and can be used for sniping
worthy rose
I'd just call it a rifle.
desert yacht
Rifle it is
desert yacht
Yeah I didn’t want to use rifle because it’s very general, but I know almost nothing about gun types
worthy rose
But yeah, they're basically standard weapons.
I don't think there's any particular meaning behind it though.
iron plume
What fps have you seen where a lever action rifle is standard
cause I’d like to play that
anyway
there’s notably few actual guns in ow for an fps
worthy rose
True. They're really good at variety.
iron plume
you’ve got magic staffs, electric wirly burlies, Torb’s oversized nailgun
hm
was thinking about post release heroes
funny how sombra out of all uses a normal gun
not even pulse
“you’ll never find a security professional with smart home” applied to guns, I guess
desert yacht
4 Americans, 1 British, 1 Irish, 1 French, 1 Mexican, 1 German (2 if including Bastion), 1 Swiss, 2 Swedish, 1 Haitian, 1 Chinese, 2 Japanese, 1 Korean, 1 Indian, 2 Egyptians, 1 Brazilian, 2 Australians, 1 Nigerian, 1 Numbanian, 1 Russian, 2 Lunarians, and Zenyatta
just felt like creating a list of the hero nationality in a different format this time because my last format got me muted
limpid agate
Zenyattas origin is unknown. Bastion is German
regal coyote
well, not sure about Pharah she can be dual citizenship
high thunder
who's irish
teal meadow
Moira
teal meadow
you can totally tell by his accent...
keen imp
Exactly
desert yacht
I’ll take your word for it jewv, but I’m interested in where you got the bastion being German info
peak escarp
how is Bastion German?
we don't know where he was built
or if omnics even count their nationality based on what omnium they were built in (or can even have a nationality/citizenship)
lapis oracle
@keen imp angory swedish beep booping
Well don't we know the city he was tasked to attack is german?
peak escarp
yes
lapis oracle
In an omnic attack a lot of the units are expendable, they just build new ones, so there's a big chance he was produced in a nearby omnium
peak escarp
it was attacking Stuttgart
hasty surge
Bastion units are every where
Was our bastion found in one of the German forest?
Did they mention which village in binary?
devout sable
@peak escarp I mean, it's fair to say that Orisa is from Numbani
and Zenyatta is from Nepal
peak escarp
Bastion woke up in the Black Forest, outside Stuttgart, Germany
@devout sable but we know Orisa was made in Numbani
we don't know where Zen and Bastion were made
pliant sparrow
Wait, who’s the second Swiss person?
peak escarp
only Mercy is Swiss
wet fractal
is mercy immortal
cunning ledge
Twitter
wet fractal
i saw somewhere that mercy was immortal
gentle token
If anyone is close to immortal it may be Reaper, but I doubt he is
peak escarp
Reaper may be immortal though
depending on your definition
he seemingly can't be killed, but he may still be able to die of old age
gentle token
Idk if he still ages. He's constantly deteriorating and regenerating so he may just be super good at healing but perhaps a good shot or something can destroy him.
There's a lot of details we don't know yet
Which can be said about a lot of the lore but yeah
peak escarp
of all the heroes suspected of not aging, Chu hasn't answered whether Reaper still ages
Mercy, Tracer, Mei, Widowmaker he has confirmed all age normally
peak escarp
which is a character from the Junkenstein story who is not Mercy
peak escarp
Mercy's only canon skins are Classic and Combat Medic
I think the Witch is partially to blame for the myth of Mercy creating Reaper
limpid agate
It didnt start that
But it doesn't help
Theory existed since launch, back when people thought Ana was Sombra, who Mercy also revived.
peak escarp
that's one I haven't heard
high thunder
didnt moira make reyes reaper
worthy rose
Almost certainly
high thunder
why would they think mercy made him then?
i get that was at the very start but didnt they know mercy was good
peak escarp
people don't like good characters
they like bad characters who act good
they figured Mercy was too good, so she had to have some kind of flaw
limpid agate
@peak escarp https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4okg03/a_long_theory_mercy_is_the_true_overwatch_villain/
This is post that made that godawful theory catch so much traction
peak escarp
so she must be secretly evil
limpid agate
There are a couple that made the theory which predate this, but they didn't catch on.
This is the one that made it too popular
Note to anyone lurking: That theory is 3 years old and has been rebuked more and more with each passing year. Mercy did NOTHING in that theory.
high thunder
good point
peak escarp
that theory hinges on voice lines that either arent in the game or are misconstrued
high thunder
do you think someone in the main good cast is secretly evil, if anyone
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
all of the cast are pretty up front with their allegiances
even Sombra
it's a bit of a stretch to call Moira 8 years ago "good"
high thunder
will briggite join overwatch?
i was wondering cuz she's annoyed at overwatch for their treatment of torb and rien
worthy rose
And not cause she actually likes the organization
peak escarp
she'll join despite that
worthy rose
Mhmm
high thunder
oh
limpid agate
Winston
Tracer
Mei
Rein
Brig
Echo
Possibly:
Genji
Torb
Bastion
Is the current apparent roster
gentle token
I thought Genji was confirmed to rejoin which is why he went to ask Hanzo to as well
desert yacht
He didn’t specifically ask Hanzo to join overwatch, he was pretty vague
gentle token
True
desert yacht
Also with the Swiss error i made for my list earlier i meant to add that to German, mb
Other than that (if bastion is truly German), there should be no issue with the list
devout sable
wait, hold up, it's may already
which means
we're getting the anniversary event soonish
limpid agate
@desert yacht McCree explicitly said no.
devout sable
oof, that seems later than I thought
peak escarp
I would guess the 21st
regal coyote
wonder if we wll get lore stuff
comic, graphics or novel
hell even atlasnews is good
limpid agate
Doomfist comes to mind
limpid agate
Yes
high thunder
ah
frosty shell
I had heard that some people thought Ana would be Sombra
high thunder
yeah that's not treue
desert yacht
wait when did mccree give a definite no
if you’re talking about the end of reunion that sounded more like a “maybe in the future”
worthy rose
It sounded to me like "yes, but I have Things to do first."
desert yacht
yeah