Yeah super unlikely
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
Null Sector is the most plausible but it's not confirmed
half pasture
It's all speculation till we hear more about him, which likely isn't until the next bit of talon lore
or a hero reveal if he's actually next
limpid agate
He is a candidate
junior cobalt
hope ur all having a good day
peak escarp
thinking about the animated shorts
the cinematic trailer and Hero are the only ones from the perspective of an npc
fringe blade
Do Junk + Hog have any relations to the main storyline?
peak escarp
only distantly
they robbed the Dorado bank during the riots Sombra orchestrated
and it seems like McCree might be hunting them for their bounty
prisma wren
but it would explain why ana was so suprised when she saw his face
peak escarp
she was shocked because he was disfigured
worthy rose
It clashes horribly with the rest of his fairly massive backstory though, as well as several pictures.
peak escarp
and because she thought he was dead
prisma wren
@somber pilot what do you mean
somber pilot
Gabriel Tosh, Starcraft 2. I jest because the aesthetics are incredibly close
devout sable
@peak escarp Talon is clearly working to use Anubis for something
and there's clearly a story behind Overwatch's intervention to contain it
it was referenced in Old Soldiers and Bastet
so if anything, Anubis seems all but guaranteed to be relevant again
lone latch
So who are on the Talon council again?
devout sable
Doomfist, Reaper, Moira, Maximillien, Sanjay, Vialli (deceased), Antonio (deceased)
Sombra and Widowmaker are elite agents
Hakim is a Talon-affiliated crime boss
ebon wadi
And Baptiste used to be a Talon grunt.
hasty surge
How did we know that about Hakim?
devout sable
Old Soldiers and Bastet
autumn umbra
The new lore is that torb and rehin smashed jet pack cat and hammond was the result
said so in the lore
100 % real
iron plume
!!shitposting
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lean prawn
this place is like the worst place to shitpost
iron plume
some people come here to because they want attention and they'll get more in a slower moving channel like this
peak escarp
@devout sable Clearly? how so?
devout sable
@peak escarp
high thunder
Who is Hakim?
worthy rose
egyptian scum bag crime lord guy who Ana takes down with soldier's help in bastet
high thunder
I asked ModMail if I could ask this, and they said yes, I was just wondering, what is Jetpack Cat and where did it come from?
devout sable
it was a silly character concept
it never really saw the light of day, and never will
high thunder
Oh, there was an animation called Bastet and Soldier 76 was in it and they took down a crime boss so I just related them together
devout sable
the idea got repurposed into Brigitte making tiny jetpacks for her cats
which is a nod to that concept
high thunder
Okay
gentle token
Dilangoo was commissioned to make an animation for Blizzard, they may be referring to that
gentle token
I wouldn't take that too strongly as canon as it is made to be cats, but there could be canon stuff mixed in
high thunder
Yeah, I figured it was based on a canon story but they weren't actually cats
peak escarp
the concept of Jetpack Cat (cute animal controlling a mech) was also used for Hammond
so that concept has already been explored
high thunder
But instead of a cat it would be a Hamster?
peak escarp
yep
high thunder
I thought so
fringe blade
I wonder, why did DF and the Omnic met at the Temple of Anubis
Does that hold any significance?
high thunder
They probably met because they were talking about working with Talon.
fringe blade
Lets theoretically say that the Omnic is related to the Null Sector. Null Sector operated in London, right?
Where are the HQs of Talon
peak escarp
Venice
fringe blade
Even after Retribution?
fringe blade
Alright. So, if theoretically, the Omnic has to do with Null Sector (based in London) and wants to meet with DF (based in Venice) then why Egypt?
half pasture
I now want our new omnic to have a stereotypical evil British accent
high thunder
His voice is like gruff American
worthy rose
But...
would it be a neutral location? Cause I assume Hakim is running the show there at this time
peak escarp
then they're there because Talon has a presence there
peak escarp
read the comic Mission Statement
long story short, the Anubis Project was an AI system shut down by Overwatch about a decade ago. Anubis itself seems to have been an integral part of Cairo's infrastructure, and shutting it down destabilized the area.
It broke confinement in present day, and Pharah's team was sent to secure it.
teal meadow
yeah, but who made it?
is it supposed to be something like "ultron" from the avengers?
worthy rose
no idea
teal meadow
or just a virus?
worthy rose
like ultron if avengers had robot ppl and ultron could take control of them
with the scepter where he mind controlled people
teal meadow
so it has an intelligence and it's not just a virus
worthy rose
except less charismatic and more death to everything
teal meadow
perfect
peak escarp
I assume it was made by the Omnica Corporation, like pretty much every other robot
it's a program that doesn't have it's own body, but it can hijack omnics through a hivemind system
worthy rose
What was it's original purpose?
peak escarp
we don't know
like I said, it was tied into Cairo's infrastructure somehow, so maybe it was an attempt at making a Smart City
high thunder
When does everyone think Tracer met Emily? It's not important to the lore but it just intrigues me.
pliant sparrow
We’ve never been given a date
I could only guess sometime after Overwatch shut down
Also would Anubis be self-improving like the Kishin omnics?
pliant sparrow
Not currently
Talon have a lot of power behind them and Sombra would likely be able to stop Anubis if they hired her for it
regal coyote
stop? unlikely
why would she do that
she is smart enough to subdue and take it for her own instead
high thunder
good point
peak escarp
based on interactions from Storm Rising, Tracer and Emily have been dating at least 6 years
Tracer says "this would be a great place to bring Emily"
pliant sparrow
Oh yeah
peak escarp
my question is why aren't they married yet
pliant sparrow
Tracer might not want the burden on Emily of being a widow if she gets killed in action?
peak escarp
but Overwatch was shut down for 5 years with no sign of returning
unless Tracer was being a vigilante in those 5 years . . .
pliant sparrow
Tracer is working in rogue overwatch though and as we saw in Alive she still engages with Talon when the need arises
last inlet
It'd make an interesting story, if she's hesitant to marry
fringe blade
Personal relationships aren't explored that much in OW
last inlet
She had time to do so
peak escarp
thst could be a character trait - Tracer doesn't like being tied down/afraid of commitment
pliant sparrow
She might be scared to after what happened to Ana and her relationship with her family
She wouldn’t want to die
Since I’m pretty sure she still thinks ana is dead
pliant sparrow
True
fringe blade
would orisa be asexual?
pliant sparrow
Orisa probably doesn’t understand love considering how young she is
peak escarp
I don't think Efi would have programmed her with a sex drive
fringe blade
So, kind of like asexual?
pliant sparrow
Although we have seen robots with humans as couples
She’s self-improving like omnics right?
peak escarp
she is an omnic
polar tundra
did you know, it was confirmed by jeff kaplan that winston went through a phase of throwing his shit across the room.
peak escarp
!!shitposting
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regal coyote
@peak escarp dont think it is important to get married actually unless there is social benefits
i can whine about marriage being an outdated construct and whatever but not the topic here
peak escarp
eh
regal coyote
I do think the tracer-emily lone might be a standard line for that map, instead of something for storm rising
peak escarp
it just seems like something that long term couples usually do
regal coyote
and srsly whever think efi would even think of programming anything sexual on orisa is fucked up
peak escarp
it's part of an interaction that has a response from Sojourn
regal coyote
i did not get that interaction =.= sigh
in that case yeah tracer has been steady with emily for a long time
peak escarp
I heard it once, and I found it in the game files
regal coyote
i heard the one about people thinking it is too easy to catch max
and some other chitchat
wish i can hear the emily one
probably should play a few more times then
limpid agate
Tracer: This will be a great place for a holiday with Emily.
Sojourn: Depending on how things turn out, I might be able to swing you all a few days leave before you need to report back to base.
Tracer: How's that for motivation!
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Storm_Rising/Quotes
limpid agate
Albeit mostly unsorted in terms of occurance
peak escarp
Baptiste still doesn't have a quotes page
nevermind
he didnt when I looked last week
must be new
limpid agate
Page was made March 1st
regal coyote
jewvia runs the wiki pages well :3
peak escarp
yes
regal coyote
also interesting things as i read all quotes in one roll
Tracer: You're doing just fine. Why, my first mission, I threw up on the train heading into the city!
An interesting bit of side-lore :3
peak escarp
@polar tundra source?
polar tundra
jeff kaplan is my dad
regal coyote
Also, how much of a human remains in Sojourn
peak escarp
that's not a valid source
polar tundra
uhhh yeah it is
peak escarp
I think she just has cyborg arms and cranial implants
regal coyote
Sojourn seem to mean she is quite modified as well.
regal coyote
''' Sojourn: Tell me. When you look at me, do you think, "There's a machine that looks like Sojourn," or "That's Sojourn?"
Genji: You're Sojourn, of course.
Sojourn: See? You'll figure it out. You have a good head on your shoulders.'''
also of note is that this ie BEFORE the egypt incident.
and since there is accessment of medical situation, we can assume this is not jsut a situation about omnic
i mean, if it were about omnic being enslaved and such mercy would not access health problem related to omnic, if there is such a thing as health on omnic
MY FINAL THOUGHT: The whole storm rising thing, is a setup, most likely Max.
After reading all the things and thinking back how Max talks in the comic. Yes, it seems likely he gets caught deliberately.
the leak on his position, the explosive truck, and everything. (even taken into account this is a cheap budget event,a s said by Jeff, only 50% effort/time/resources)
peak escarp
the Egypt situation has already started
Sojourn says Mercy might get sent in as medical aid
I don't think Max would go through all that effort to let Overwatch capture him so he could give away Doomfist's location
it would be easier to just leak the location anonymously
devout sable
@high thunder "When does everyone think Tracer met Emily? It's not important to the lore but it just intrigues me."
personally, I speculate they might've met during the King's Row Uprising
though it's probably a little clichéd
desert hawk
Who’s Emily?
devout sable
either way, they were already close with each other by Storm Rising
@desert hawk Tracer's girlfriend
desert hawk
Ah...
peak escarp
. . .
do people normally call their mother by first name or kiss their mother full on the mouth like that?
worthy rose
Might have just seen someone else mentioning Emily in passing somewhere else.
last inlet
Still weird to call your mom by her first name
The interactions quoted here have her saying "Emily", not "mom". Or, uh, "mum"
desert hawk
Yeah, I just didn’t think it through
lean prawn
because the weird thing here is calling your mom by her first name and not making out with her
limpid agate
“That said, we feel like that phase is coming to an end,” he teases. “We've moved a lot of the pieces that we need to explain into place.”
peak escarp
“It's very intentional that the first story [2017’s Uprising] was eight years ago, [2018’s Retribution was] seven years ago, and this one is six years ago,” says Chu.
Chu got the order wrong
limpid agate
worthy rose
he is but a story geek who created a wonderful optimistic universe
not an interviewer guy
interviewee?
person to be interviewed
peak escarp
yeah, he's got a bad track record with interviews
prisma wren
whats the correct order?
peak escarp
Retribution is 8 years ago
Uprising is 7 years ago
Storm Rising is 6 years ago
muted harbor
Was that it? I was under the assumption that Storm Rising is present day after Winston does his recall and after he fought of reaper and widow at the museum
muted harbor
it's pretty dense and out of order the way it's presented
but thanks for clearing that up
muted harbor
especially with the same outfits and the character don't really look older or younger at a given time period
peak escarp
I'm working on making a timeline of the recent lore by hero
and since there's so many, I'm doing it in two parts
here's Ana to Moira
muted harbor
so the official ages applies to the present time or is it something else. e.g mei being 40
peak escarp
the ages listed in their bios are present day
Mei's listed age doesn't include the 9 years she was frozen
so she's biologically 31, but chronologically 40
half pasture
god tracer is young in uprising then
muted harbor
reflections, that christmas comic. tracer hardly looks any older than she was in havana. not to mention same outfit
peak escarp
women don't age that much between 20 and 26
also the same outfit can be blamed on the superhero/cartoon style of the lore
they need to be recognizable, so they have signature outfits
muted harbor
makes since
sense
in a way it's fun to piece it together
ffxv is a bit similar, except a lot of fans don't like it
pliant sparrow
Isn’t mercy biologically younger than her chronological age due to the Valkyrie suit?
worthy rose
She just has really good Swedish genes
limpid agate
You should have done it in release order
For when new heroes get added
They slot in easier
We have release order going up to the first hero in the game.
peak escarp
good idea
limpid agate
!!wiki Heroes#List_of_Heroes_by_release_date
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peak escarp
I did take a guess on the exact time of a few things
but this covers everything that has happened since Recall
the only hero we haven't seen since recall is Hammond (assuming that Cuerva's report about going to capture Baptiste happens in present day)
limpid agate
Time to start some nitpicking
1 - Mei was active before the Exhibit
Overwatch is Back happened the day of, and talks about a lot of the stuff that happened already
Such as Mei/Lucio/DVa
So you need more space between Alive and the Exhibit
peak escarp
I figured there was only a few weeks or less between Recall and the Exhibit
limpid agate
Not enough time for Mei
peak escarp
that article is also contradicted by later sources
limpid agate
Its still one of our few temporal sources for events happening, and there is little indication to give the time between the Exhibit and Recall
peak escarp
specifically about Mei - that article suggests that she is someone Overwatch might recruit, but she was already an Overwatch member
limpid agate
She was never an Overwatch agent, that's not a retcon. She was always just a scientist
Likewise, the world wouldn't know she is a modern day agent either
But it is weird
peak escarp
I didn't say agent, I said member
it also talks about her as if she was active years before the fight in the museum
limpid agate
Because the article mentions earlier Mei's work in Overwatch in reversing climate damage
And then mentions her later as an active party.
Yeah its
Weird
But I will still rely on the idea that Mei became active before the Exhibit
peak escarp
In the past few weeks, investigators confirmed that a number of violent incidents across the world, including Monday's attempted museum heist, have involved several notable former Overwatch operatives.
this phrasing makes me think the exhibit happens a few weeks to a month after Recall
"Monday's attempted heist" means this article is written shortly after that event
limpid agate
It makes me think that they recently connected the crimes to Overwatch and suggested its Recall.
peak escarp
Lucio saving his favela and D.Va becoming a mech pilot/celebrity also happened recently
A Better World shows Symmetra securing the contract that Lucio would be fighting against, and that was confirmed to be set "around Recall"
and due to D.Va's age, she couldn't have been recruited that long ago
I know we don't have a surplus of lore so just ignoring things is bad, but I'm skeptical of anything written before launch
sterile zodiac
devout sable
the commenters, as usual, are a band of clueless idiots
regal coyote
@limpid agate @peak escarp actually i think while technically Mei does join the recall, there is no confirmation that she has becoem an active agent.
Mei could well be a R&D staff and scientist working on ecopoint rather than active agent, maybe only help out once in a while
make me think of that one voiceline winston have in storm rising, apparently at that time winston is totally new to the active agent stuff for ow, not first mission but stillr eather green on that
so yeah Mei may or may not be an active agent, but definitely part of the newverwatch
(keyword is agent , vs member)
the thing is, everyone knows tracer, and pretty sure people know where tracer is living, and yet no actions is taken.
if anything the media seems to be quite positive of her action
maybe she is unofficially accepted, as ong as she stay vigilante and not bringng out the overwatch flag officially
kinda a hush-hush case, mostlyc ause the bigwig have even bigger problems at hand, namely OWII, signalling overwatch is indeed needed
i mean OWII as in Omnic War II
sounds confusing so maybe need another name for it
regal coyote
shit i copypasta too quick oops. =.=
peak escarp
does it matter if she becomes an active agent?
that's irrelevant to putting their lore on a timeline
peak escarp
the name we have for "omnic war 2" is the Second Omnic Crisis
limpid agate
Irvine
iron plume
Irvine
half pasture
Oh duh
iron plume
where the real-life Blizz HQ is
limpid agate
peak escarp
would be funny to see an OW vs Talon fight at Blizzard World
half pasture
Also I know it's so the map can have all the blizzard properties on it, but as far as park design goes, Pylon terrace makes no sense. It should be with the rest of the Starcraft stuff in the north part of the park, not weirdly dividing the stormwind and diablo sections
peak escarp
I wonder if we'll ever get other sections of the park as maps
they'd be good for deathmatch
iron plume
the lake for elimination and the mountain for DM
peak escarp
Murloc Island would be great for Elimination
desert hawk
They should make blizzard world irl
peak escarp
why are people irl so against omnics being treated like people?
first off, it's just a video game so there's no point in getting mad over it
and second, giving them rights doesn't harm anyone
iron plume
well some people are just dicks
but for things like voting there's a genuine philosophical argument about AI
because, like
how do you tell they weren't specifically programmed to vote a certain way by their creator without showing it otherwise
and "getting inside" to look is questionable morally
half pasture
there's also a real draw for people to be fictionally racist
like how you know if someone plays a dwarf in d&d they'll spend the entire time shit talking elves
and vice-versa
I dunno why this is a thing
but it is a thing
iron plume
that's about playing in-character which is understandable
but it's not like people talking shit on omnics are RPing zarya
worthy rose
Cause stereotypes exist as a result of our brains trying to rationalize the world. It was a survivor instinct back in the day to recognize behavior and associate or stereotype it with other groups. It's also easier to do that with fantasy elements like orcs. Most orcs are shown to be hideous muscle heads. I have yet to see one where the orcs are fancy british tea drinking handsome pacifists. They do it cause it's easy for story telling
And also I guess easier to characterize as well as to form a connection "Oh you're the musclehead, oh you're the pretty one, etc..." despite us all consciously knowing we're more than that. It's also why self grouping is a big thing. Stuff like Harry potter houses are like that
frosty shell
As for that one thing saying Mei "might become an Overwatch agent"
It might not be contradictory, Mei might never have spoken about her involvement in Overwatch so people are just speculating
half pasture
I suspect post-recall overwatch will not be as rigid and formal an organization, since it'll still be illegal
worthy rose
I see Mei being an active combatant for Overwatch the same way I view Newt Scamander working for the wizarding government as an aurer. It doesn't make sense cause
She is a climatologist
And He is a glorified zoo keeper
But hey ppl do what people wanna do for story telling
frosty shell
yeah
I assume the reason Tracer and Winston haven't been arrested is that because they caught the bad guys people forgave them
worthy rose
I was assuming it's cause Tracer has super speed and is a sort of celebrity that people normally wouldn't call it in
And Winston has a jet that they could escape with
frosty shell
I wonder if Sojourn has had a run in with Reaper
She'd've probably been one of the former highest ranking members of Overwatch known to still be alive
peak escarp
she'd probably be able to fend him off
proud lynx
So since Sojourn has been confirmed as a hero, shell probably be a damage class. What do you guys think her weapons and abilities will be?
half pasture
No idea, whatever fps tropes blizzard hasn't mined yet
peak escarp
not really our area of concern
muted harbor
So many hints dropped and left for speculation
Echo from Reunion, Sojourn, that Omnic that was talking to Doomfist.
peak escarp
yep
muted harbor
Echo is the most fascinating cause she's so different. Not to mention she's apparently pivotal to the plot
worthy rose
Don't expect her to come out this year
cunning ledge
echo 32 maybe
worthy rose
I think in 2-3 more years we'll get Echo
worthy rose
Yea I know
cunning ledge
not very optimistic huh
worthy rose
Jeff stated that she wasn't ready yet and heroes 31 wasn't sojourn or echo so I'm taking it to mean they got a lot more set up to do before they further introduce her
peak escarp
I think Echo will be added at Blizzcon
cunning ledge
31 hamid/queen is my bet
echo at blizzcon along with a recall actually happening cinematic
worthy rose
In the new year's comic
Was genji and Zen at Nepal?
And does the new year comic take place after Genji and Hanzo's cinematic?
peak escarp
yes and yes
Dragons happened in the spring, just after Recall
Reflections was in December, obviously
worthy rose
This is something they really have to like explain cause the way travel works in the Overwatch universe is actually insane
Genji went from Japan to Nepal and that actually blows my mind
peak escarp
they invented these things
they're big metal tubes with wings that are powered by big engines
you might have heard of them
worthy rose
Junkrat and Roadhog literally travel all over the world as wanted criminals and Genji I don't understand or know if he has funds
to actually travel doc
peak escarp
Genji probably has money left over from when he was in Blackwatch
Junkrat and Roadhog steal a lot, and probably have criminal connections to travel
same with Soldier
muted harbor
they probably have connections anything since overwatch used to be global
worthy rose
Yea but that doesn't mean they will. I don't expect everyone to know everyone in a organization.
muted harbor
ah but there are also regular citizens that were fans of overwatch
as much as there is scrutiny with public relations to be fair
worthy rose
I'd really like to meet Jim, the airplane pilot who flies ex overwatch agents around the world
or even Crooked Bill, the guy who takes criminals of all types around the world for a right sum of money
I guess I could see Winston flying Genji where he needed to be but I'm not entirely sure about that
peak escarp
Genji probably just took commercial flights, like Mei did
the Junkers could have been stowaways on ships
even Widowmaker took a commercial flight and she's purple
(or at the very least, arrived at a public airport)
muted harbor
overwatch facilities seems to be untouched for the most part even after its disbanded
peak escarp
most of them were taken over by Helix Security
muted harbor
Ah, another organization i overlooked
pliant sparrow
Wouldn’t widowmaker be a wanted figure around the world
muted harbor
I dunno, i thought being a sniper is about being kept in low profile
lean prawn
i don't think her career choice is publically known
pliant sparrow
People probably know that talon have a purple skinned assassin, something like that isn’t very easy to hide when she’s used so much
tawny patio
Mmmm
Only Tracer and a few guards saw her at King’s
No one at Volskaya would’ve known who she is
muted harbor
They hardly ever mention her skin color if at all in the lore
tawny patio
Two children a gorilla and tracer saw her in the museum
There’s not exactly a plethora of witnesses
Nor are any of them reliable narrators
muted harbor
it's a pretty hard story for any grown adult to swallow if it came from two kids
tawny patio
kids
guards that probably had concussions
members of a group that was illegalized and decided to reform
muted harbor
I think the biggest mystery is that conspiracy behind all of the organizations
which sombra was trying to get to the bottom of
pliant sparrow
Could be a super intelligent AI
Although it could be that there is no actual group behind the conspiracy abut she wants there to be one
peak escarp
I think it's just a benign observer and Sombra is paranoid
pliant sparrow
^
peak escarp
because if she had all the knowledge in the world, she would use it to manipulate people
so she assumes anyone else would too
but it could just be gathering knowledge for the sake of knowledge
young aurora
Helloh
peak escarp
do you have a lore question?
clever silo
If Winston has to pay taxes, is he legally able to drive a car?
peak escarp
get him a truck
worthy rose
I don't think a truck would be big enough for him
You'd need to personally create a huge af car
steering wheel and everything
which like idk why you would since he has a jet
gentle token
Is Winston even allowed just out and about? I mean, idk what is considered normal in the OW universe but if I saw a gorilla grocery shopping I'd be at least a bit shocked
peak escarp
we don't know what sort of rights he has
worthy rose
I mean if he's paying taxes, he better get some rights
peak escarp
lol yeah
I guess that's an indication that he's considered a person
in the legal sense
worthy rose
truth be told
I kinda expect him to be wealthy
Having patents on a bunch of scientific inventions or whatever
gentle token
I mean even if he did have that right, I'd still be worried of civilians freaking out
worthy rose
He did invent Tracer's Chronal accelerator/harness thing which I assume wouldn't be his only contribution to science
peak escarp
he probably doesn't go out much
worthy rose
Also I actually think the opposite
I think a lot of people would actually love to see Winston
Cause he is known for being a hero the same Way Tracer is in the launch cinematic
Little kid was talking about him taking down doomfist with primal punch
gentle token
True, he does have hero status, and the kid in the museum short thought he was pretty awesome and neither of them freaked too much to see him per se
peak escarp
Reaper: Poor Winston, has to hide away so he doesn't scare the children.
Winston: I don't think even children are afraid of you.
worthy rose
idk maybe some ppl are afraid of him?
Assuming he got adopted by that Lijang scientist and got made a citizen of some other country as well as being a well known hero
I'd say Winston's pretty in the clear
gentle token
Understandably. It probably varies from person to person, but maybe those in charge tell him not to appear publicly just in case
worthy rose
I mean who tells him what to do tho?
Like genuinely I don't think anyone has any right to actually tell winston what he can and cant do
especially since his i guess job would be inventor
gentle token
I assume someone would have to be in charge of looking after him? I'm not sure. He seems to be the only talking animal in that universe that would be out and about, so idk
gentle token
I guess it all goes back to if he's considered a citizen or not, and what rights he has if he even is limited
peak escarp
he might have had a handler while Overwatxh was active, but he wouldn't have one now
worthy rose
Winston just reading a book in a lab coat
Military soldier guy "H-hey there big f-fella... W-want a banana?"
Winston looks over: "No I don't want a banana."
^
Also later gents
I got an exam
and I am terrified
peak escarp
Winston and Tracer don't live near each other though
Reflections showed that Winston just has Athena
gentle token
True, but she keeps in touch with him enough so maybe that's good enough?
I mean then again, Widowmaker did go to a party being full on purple so maybe everyone is just chill about that kind of stuff
devout sable
@gentle token Winston is world-famous
peak escarp
in a future with cyborgs and robots, purple skin probably isn't a big deal
but she was also with Doomfist - would you say anything?
gentle token
Very true
half pasture
Doomfist being at a party is a sign I need to leave and go find another party
frosty shell
The OG Strike team might not've had a healer
Before Mercy's tech came around having a healer on missions might not've been a thing
Maybe Widow wears a mask in public to avoid easy detection
clever silo
A mask
peak escarp
we know she uses the name Danielle Guillard
frosty shell
Yes
We haven't seen her wear a mask in public in the comics so my theory is probably wrong
gentle token
She may not go out in public alone too much tbh
worthy rose
Huh....
What do you think Widow does in her spare time?
besides like I guess train?
gentle token
I meant alone as in not monitored by Talon.
Which doesn't make sense in this convo
Sorry, ignore this
modest fulcrum
What if one of the heroes have to take a leak on the battlefield
Do they just like hey guys pause real quick gotta take a pee, or like do they just go in their pants, or what if you fart to much and need to go wipe ya know
peak escarp
!!shitposting @modest fulcrum
twilit nacelleBOT
@modest fulcrum Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
modest fulcrum
no this is for real
what if this leads to major discoveries in overwatch or hero lore
peak escarp
how do modern day soldiers deal with it? they go before
this isn't going to be a major revelation
muted harbor
too much info
pale sigil
Lowkey i kinda want an answer to that question
tight river
wtf XD
limpid agate
Serious discussion strictly related to Overwatch
high thunder
The Lore in this chat
pale sigil
is that an alt made after getting muted?
lmao
anyway
I'd like some more story on McCree/Ashe and the deadlock gang
pliant sparrow
Anything in particular?
pale sigil
mainly a shot of like Jessie and Ashe doing crime together and then seeing the fallout he had and why he left
pliant sparrow
I’m pretty sure he didn’t leave until Reyes have him the opportunity to join blackwatch when McCree was in jail
pale sigil
well still i wanna see him commit crime with Ashe and the rest of the gang
prisma wren
is torbs deadlock skin canon?
proud lynx
Nope
quiet plover
deadlock is also just a phrase and doesn't necessarily refer to the deadlock gang
dapper shuttle
IIRC the devs said that some skins aren't canon and are just "what if" ideas. What if Torb was Deadlock, what if Ana was a pirate, etc. But do we have confirmation about Torb Deadlock specifically?
peak escarp
there's kinda two Deadlock "gangs"
one is the Deadlock Rebels biker gang that Torbjorn's skin is a reference to (and was presumably founded in 1976, according to McCree's tattoo)
high thunder
i would like more what if skins
peak escarp
the other is the Deadlock Gang that Ashe, McCree and two others founded when they were teenagers (they borrowed the logo from the Deadlock Rebels)
high thunder
like what if reyes stayed overwatch and soldier 76 was talon
peak escarp
@dapper shuttle https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1058941206212702209
Twitter
frosty shell
we don't know if the Deadlock Biker Club is the same as the Deadlock Rebels
peak escarp
still, there's a Deadlock biker club and the Deadlock Gang
frosty shell
yes
desert hawk
What does the letters on McCrees belt stand for?
cunning ledge
full basin
Whats people's most favourite character lore-wise? ^^
I really love Widowmaker
Although it is kinda messed up. I just love how she became such a ruthless assassin ;p
peak escarp
McCree, obviously
full basin
Hahaha xD
worthy rose
i wish we could have like a zenyatta animation short and get a visual about his life
full basin
Yes I know
worthy rose
he's a pretty myserious character
full basin
I really hope he is the next one to get anything related to lore
If it be a comic, an animation or whatever
Anything
worthy rose
mhm
pliant sparrow
Reapers my favourite in lore and design
frosty shell
d. va lorewise? idk
worthy rose
Design wise I really love Tracer
Lore wise I really like Zenyatta mainly cause i have a weird imagination of him starting off as like a MLK jr figure transforming int buddha
peak escarp
isnt that more like Mondatta?
half pasture
I know he only just came out and is his lore is very secondary to his design but I rather like baptiste
The whole bad guy turned good angle is fun
peak escarp
I'm interested to see where he goes
wraith meteor
SAme
pliant sparrow
He’s an interesting one for sure
Do we have any idea who might have developed his tech?
pliant sparrow
He scavenged the technology to literally prevent people from dying to a nuclear explosion?
peak escarp
not every ability is canon
some are explicitly not canon
others exist but work differently
like Tracer can pull out her Pulse Bomb whenever, but she only carries one
and she can throw it like a frisbee
regal coyote
well, they are hu,manpids and there is physics, so while you cant do many things in game in lore they can
One obvious case is that if a character carry equipment in lore like pistols and 'nades then in lroe they will surely use it if needed
sudden sequoia
Interesting what abilities are explicitly not canon?
regal coyote
(talking about all those accessories ppl have, like 76's pistol in some lore skins
things like resurrect are obviously not canon
and some are a rare one time thing and rastically different, like dva's ult
and many healing are not surely real, like zen's heal and msot lucio and brig
also most character have limited amount of munition and equipment on them, so not limited except for a few obvious or not obvious ase
sudden sequoia
Nothing about zen is canon realistically since there’s just about no lore on him
regal coyote
Yes, reaper does pull his guns outta nowhere sorta though
sudden sequoia
I know his wraith form is a lot more intimidating canonically
regal coyote
well i am sure he can punch or kick stuff yes
and he is able to float and float things
but then again unless someone is a vagetable (not vegeta) they can be assumed to be able to punch and kick, and obviously can whack people wit their heavy equipment if needed
there is a link on confirmed ability
desert hawk
Who do y’all think is he most OP?
iron plume
zarya is the most op in the bae metric
physical strength-wise it's probably angry winston
but since cashmoney trumps everything, the real op is max or ashe
sudden sequoia
I mean for every character there’s a counter to deal with them so no one is really OP per se it’s the players skill that makes characters “OP”
iron plume
uh
look at the channel name
sudden sequoia
Go on
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
foggy geode
Zenyatta, already has a map dedicated to him, needs the lore now, waited a long time and I think this should come soon
peak escarp
he's a very minor character
I don't think we'll get more on him unless he becomes more important to the plot
worthy rose
which he very likely will probably not
peak escarp
I could see Genji bringing him to new Overwatch
half pasture
He's slightly more relevant than Lucio
if only because of the Genji connection
He's not like, more important to the setting than Lucio
but he's more relevant
worthy rose
I mean I don't see why he would or why Zen would go along with it given that
- In story he's not a combatant since I assume the Shambali which are very reminiscent of Buddhist monks
- He walks his life bringing his wisdom to people and such and so I can't imagine a traveling monk who helps people or whatever being dragged along to a more or less area of danger.
- I can't imagine Genji dragging his defenseless omnic teacher to potential death to do what exactly?
clever silo
He’s not
He’s an Omnic monk who left a monastery
Lucio is like
The leader of a revolution
I think Lucio is more relevant
peak escarp
Overwatch isn't just about fighting
Overwatch is a platform Zen could use to spread his message to more people
in terms of the main plot of Overwatch vs Talon, Lucio is completely irrelevant
he's a tertiary character at best
worthy rose
I don't think it's a platform really considering that Overwatch is currently illegal and probably in trouble so I don't think you want to arrest robot Buddha or even bring him in there
peak escarp
I think Zenyatta would be curious about Genji's friends, and want to help ease some of the suffering in the world
he wouldn't be a combatant
he would be there as moral support (and healing, if he has any canonical healing abilities)
we've seen a lot of things saying new Overwatch is illegal, but nobody seems to be doing anything about it
worthy rose
Yea but why would they need moral support? Genji seems pretty well centered, Tracer and Winston are convinced they're doing the right thing, and McCree seems pretty much doing his own thing without any internal strife or conflict really. I think he'd be working around the world and do his own thing since that's how he met Genji
muted fog
i have a thought sequence
Zen is an omnic monk
so, what do monks usually do one they finish their studies?
they go out and share their message
peak escarp
everyone can use moral support, no matter how centered they are
muted fog
i will say that Zen does help me calm down when i play him
anyway
continuing with my sequence
peak escarp
that's basically what Zenyatta did - he went out into the world to spread his message of equality and acceptance
and changed people's lives, including Genji
muted fog
so, if zen does happen to join OW, how would that help him spread his message?
i mean
he would be able to travel better
peak escarp
he could help reform Overwatch's image
peak escarp
he doesn't have to join Overwatch to participate in the plot
muted fog
but, the governments of the world already dispise the idea of new OW anyway, that would take a good amount of persuasion to change what they think
clever silo
We haven’t seen any indication that the government despises New Overwatch
muted fog
and, most of the world governments hate omnics, so they probably wouldn't listen to him in the first place
clever silo
Not most.
muted fog
except Numbani
peak escarp
most?
clever silo
And France
muted fog
and some others i can't think of
clever silo
And Cuba
muted fog
anyone else?
clever silo
And Rialto
peak escarp
and Japan
clever silo
And Afghanistan
peak escarp
and Korea
half pasture
I mean the recall was basically just sent, would anyone outside of overwatch even know overwatch is getting the band back together?
peak escarp
some governments don't recognize omnics as people
some do
@half pasture there was an Atlas News article about Overwatch returning
muted fog
some of the world's governments hate omnics, so he wouldn't get his message everywhere
emphasis on some
peak escarp
he doesn't need to get it everywhere
muted fog
the united nations consists of a good amount of countries, he would need to get his message to a lot of places to have major impact
peak escarp
surprisingly, Korea is pretty okay with omnics, despite being attacked by some every few months
muted fog
the impact is making humans and omnics equal
muted fog
hmm
worthy rose
I also don't remember seeing them in Zarya's comic
peak escarp
there are signs for omnic shops on the Busan Downtown map
muted fog
elaborate, please
peak escarp
and it was confirmed that DVa is okay with non-Gwishin omnics
worthy rose
What shops?
And just because DVA is okay with them doesn't mean the country itself is. Tracer being a clear example of cool with omnics but the UK being not
muted fog
null sector ruined any hope of equallity in the UK
there was the groundbreaking
things were going good
but then
null sector came and then everything turned south
peak escarp
no
muted fog
that's what i thought
peak escarp
it's supposed to be unreadable by non-omnics
muted fog
well, they did a pretty good job of that
also, another question
conserning null sector
Who runs them, or is it just a code in certain systems that make them extremists?
peak escarp
we don't know much about them
peak escarp
they are just a rebel faction of omnics who used terrorism to fight for rights
high thunder
Does Torbjorn understand the Omnic language?
desert yacht
while there's no confirmation whether he does or doesn't, it's very highly unlikely that he does
unless there's some some place in the comics or an interaction laying around where he does speak to bastion and it's not just guessing what bastion is saying
cunning ledge
It’s highly unlikely any humans (or gorillas, or hamsters) do
Someone must have known at some point when making them though
Would be kinda funny if the secret was just lost forever when Omnica went down
desert yacht
i'd be sure that of all the heroes, only bastion, orisa, zen, and maybe bob know the omnic language
and wrecking ball (not hammond but the mech itself)
would wrecking ball be considered an omnic?
he's a robot and robots are omnics
desert yacht
that could just be interpretive
cunning ledge
Probably yeah
desert yacht
on this subject, is snowball a drone or an omnic?
desert yacht
but snowball seems to have an ai
I don’t think they have to be made in an omnium to be considered an omnic
eg orisa
chu has also stated on multiple occasions that omnic and robot are interchangeable
in fact, I’m pretty sure torbjorn addresses snowball as a robot in an interaction with mei
which would be proof that snowball is an omnic
it seems that this conversation has been had before and people have said snowball isn’t an omnic
but I think I’ve displayed enough evidence to say otherwise and I haven’t seen any counterevidence so I’m just gonna assume snowball is an omnic
cunning ledge
The literal definition of omnic is ‘robot made in an omnium’
But now everyone knows them for the whole being actually sentient thing so the terms got confused
Snowball definitely isn’t an omnic
iron plume
even putting the literal definition aside
Omnic is used for sentient robots, not just AI
we’ve seen no evidence of snowball being sentient
and the same for WB’s mech
torpid jackal
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hasty surge
Is it possible that every year for archives we would get events that happen 1 year apart?
worthy rose
possible but not likely
There's a lot of interesting events in Overwatch's history and they don't all happen one year apart from another
Original strike team missions could be a thing if we ever get a healer for the original strike team
peak escarp
Wrecking Ball is not an omnic
they were very clear about that when Hammond was released
Snowball is a drone
high thunder
It would be cool if there was an Archives event where you play as Talon
Maybe they could do the Masquerade comic
peak escarp
people would feel ripped off if you played through a mission we already saw
high thunder
good point
worthy rose
We would need more Talon members from the past being made heroes
Which I don't see
We're still in our developmental stages for our overwatch universe
regal coyote
@peak escarp in the sam way the Wball is a drone, with a pilot
as for omnic language, what lil info we have it seems you need an uplonk to understand its content
so the language/tag we see is sorta like qr code where it points to a certain batch of info somewhere on some web.
pretty sure if you have ability to get info from the needed addy of the uplonk one can decrypt it with proepr equipment
so MEATBAGS cannot read them, but cybernetic implant might allow for that
so i would think ppl liek zombra wouuld have the required upgrades to read them easy
maybe young ana
high thunder
But if you are around them loads will you learn their language?
regal coyote
in other words, hammond as wball can read it via wball most likely, but not hammond himself msot likely
unless his chip include uplinks
@high thunder not porbably
it is like qr code, if you learn to read qr code you still cannot get the info posted on the link, not unless you have an uplink to the proper address with the info
and if you have a link to the address and info you probably be easier just getting it with yoru device
that said, it is most likely that there are easy device available for omnic translation everywhere
high thunder
ah
peak escarp
I think most omnics just speak human languages and omnicode isn't translatable unless you are an omnic
regal coyote
@peak escarp well supposed the code should be readable if you ahve a device that allow you to fetch the proper piece of information?
think there was a post explaining that omnic codes are more like qr code that points to infos
peak escarp
possibly, but I don't think people care that much
we've been told it doesn't translate
regal coyote
where does it say it cannot translate?
probably not physically translate, like you cannot tell content of a qr code just by translating the code itself
peak escarp
Not one to one. The original idea for omnicode (and something I'd still love to do someday) is that all the omnic language you see should be animated: it's not intended to be a language that humans (who haven't been augmented) could read easily.
regal coyote
yes
the augmented part tells me cyborgs and ppl like zombra with upgrades
this would also mean it is not omnic only and with a bit of a droid or drong or other deide human can decipher it
also the CURRENT OMNIC LANGUAGE that we have in lroe ARE NOT ANIMATED
thye probably still function as a link fo sorts though
limpid agate
It is animated in Bastions HUD
agile pulsar
do omnics speak hindi
iron plume
no
cloud pebble
I would assume that they would have the ability to speak many languages.
limpid agate
I'm sure Indian omnics do
regal coyote
think all omnics probably use omnic language as first language
but yes it is easy for robots to have langauage packs and most likely omnic would ahve ability to speak language common for the area as such
so yeah india omnic should be able to speak a few indian languages needed
hindi is big enough for omnic in the area to understand
as for the animated omnic signs, would they still look naimated if the viewing omnic does not have an uplink to anything?
cinder briar
Like c3peo
frosty shell
I imagine most Omnic-to-Omnic communication is non-verbal
Also, I personally think that BOB never gained free will like the other Omnics did
He still seems to do exactly what Ashe orders him to do
iron plume
do you mean telepathic, cause like
human communication is pretty wireless
frosty shell
By wireless I mean "through radio waves and stuff"
I wonder what relevance the fact that Omnica was shut down before the crisis has (or had, given that First Strike may have used it as a plot point) on the lore
peak escarp
maybe Bob does what Ashe tells him to because he wants to
frosty shell
Yes, but I can't imagine how Ashe would punish him if he ever decided to break ranks
She might have reprogrammed Bob herself or something like that
peak escarp
I doubt it
from her origin story, Bob has been serving their family since Ashe was at least a teenager
frosty shell
Yes
peak escarp
why would Ashe need to punish him?
frosty shell
Ashe would need to punish him if Bob ever disobeyed
peak escarp
if Bob wanted to leave, he could and there would be no way for Ashe to stop him
frosty shell
Considering how big Bob is I can't imagine it would go well for Ashe if Bob got into a disagreement with her
Bob may have been made before the Crisis
Omnica shutting seems like a mostly extraneous detail apart from the fact that it meant that the sudden revolt was even more surprising
I think I've come to a compromise on what happened to civilian Omnics before the Crisis
They gained free will at the same time the Omniums did but couldn't show it
thus when the collective intelligence or whatever decided to rebel they had free will already and thus had a choice between sides
peak escarp
why would they need to gain free will?
frosty shell
they must've gained free will at some point
peak escarp
it was never said that they weren't created with the ability to choose and make decisions for themselves
frosty shell
But why would you make a robot with free will?
peak escarp
they are robots with the ability to learn
frosty shell
But they must've learned free will somewhere
That would just be an invitation to unintended consequences if they were made with free will
peak escarp
unintended consequences . . . like the omnic crisis?
frosty shell
By "free will" I mean "the ability to maliciously disobey human commands"
But I doubt Omnica would've intentionally built robots with free will
peak escarp
we don't know anything about Omnica
frosty shell
Theoretically, it could've wanted the Omnic crisis from the start
peak escarp
possibly
frosty shell
I wonder if one of the reasons the Omnic crisis was so hard to stop was that Omnica execs destroyed many of the company's records in order to avoid prosecution
devout sable
we know extremely little about civilian-type omnics during the Omnic Crisis
it annoys me
frosty shell
Yes which is why I would want to learn more
devout sable
cause their whereabouts were definitely common knowledge in-universe
but we get nothing
frosty shell
yes
My current theory is that the civilian Omnics remaining at the end of the Crisis were either manufactured in the early days of the Crisis or before the Crisis
Maybe the civilian Omnics were controlled by the Omniums, but after they were destroyed the Omnics had free will (with when they acquired it still a mystery)
Perhaps what happened is that because the Omnics were programmed to follow a master, the Omniums acted in that role, and without a master they were just left with free will
we know the Omnics never attempted to negotiate with humans until the Crisis ended
My "no master" theory still doesn't explain why there were so many civilian Omnics manufactured
We also don't know if any Omnics who were away from the Omniums revolted on their own
peak escarp
I think the "civilian" omnics are the ones made for domestic labor - cashiers, light labor, childcare, etc.
frosty shell
yes
peak escarp
so there would be more of those made than the ones made for heavy labour or for war
frosty shell
However, if they didn't have free will during the Crisis, I'm not sure why many of the pre-existing civilian Omnics would be spared
I imagine there may have been many civilian Omnics waiting in storage in the Omniums
We know Omnica didn't design the Bastions, but we do know that the Nigerian omnium made OR-14s pre-Crisis
peak escarp
Omnica may not have designed the Bastions, but they probably produced them based on the Ironclad Guild's design
limpid agate
Designed
modest cove
do cars just have the ability to hover indefinitely without using up all their power?
every parked car i see in OW just hovers there with their lights on
gentle token
Maybe? I don't think we know too much about how tech works in the ow universe
valid shell
Well, maybe sure is a safe answer then. 😂
half pasture
tech works however looks coolest
peak escarp
^
sharp trench
half pasture
when it's done
like seriously they seem to be entirely on blizzard time
There will always be one saved for blizzcon but the others just seem to be whenever
limpid agate
No
Its always August and November
The only exception was before the game came out
Where we got 4 leading up to launch
peak escarp
comics are the ones that we get when they're done
a lot of people (myself included) were expecting a comic with Archives
but we've only gotten a comic with Archives for 2 years, and 2 isn't enough of a pattern to be reliable
I would consider 3 years the minimum for establishing patterns
desert yacht
reaper has appeared in 5 comics, 7 if including junkenstein
he's appeared in 3 animated shorts aswell
he appears in moira and soldier and ana's origin stories too
sombra's if you want to count his small appearance
he's had a lot of time in the spotlight
i want to see other characters with less lore, maybe lucio or zen
i believe lucio has appeared in 0 comics, 0 origin stories, and 0 shorts
he's appeared in a singular short story and i believe that's it
lime forge
I think Ranger was an army guy that went through a slipgate and is now trying to find his way home
desert yacht
ranger?
desert yacht
who do you mean by ranger
desert yacht
this isn't a quake server
desert yacht
Discussion strictly related to the Lore of Overwatch.
desert yacht
no
lime forge
well shit
desert yacht
if you do want to learn more about the story of overwatch you can go to the gamepedia, gives a good lore description on every hero and much more
sharp heart
Overwatch: "We got a talking Gorilla, a human-intelligent Hamster, sentient Robots, a guy named 'Akande' who can jump 500 feet into the air and then free-aim float himself around before crashing to the ground with meteor-force, and a guy who can store millions of shotgus under his coat while also turning into a Ghost at will."
Overwatch Fandom: "... But D.Va's kinda hard to believe tho, right?"
sharp heart
Just added context to the video.
gentle token
It's easier to believe in advances in science than to believe that video game skills translates to military robot suit pilot
worthy rose
The most unbelievable thing about DVA is that her (And probably the other MEKA members) stream their fights against the gwishin which is fucking horrendous and whoever thought that was a good idea is actually terrible
gentle token
^^^
peak escarp
@gentle token depends on the game
if it's a mech simulation game, then it would make you better at piloting a mech
gentle token
That's true. They went back on her being a starcraft champion, yes?
What game was she famous for? Or games
peak escarp
you can see it on the screen in her room on the Busan MEKA base map
it looks like a gundam clone
it does make a lot more sense than StarCraft
although one of the other MEKA members seems to actually be a StarCraft pro
worthy rose
which one?
Cause D.Mon was on the same team as DVA and we know I believe Overlord was a rival to DVA and Casino was an actual Racer
gentle token
So was Casino a gamer as well, or just a racer?
peak escarp
a racer
peak escarp
there isn't much about them
Casino is an F1 racer with ties to Monaco (which means possible ties to Max)
D.Mon was a former teammate of D.Va's and is kinda the team mom
King looks like an insufferable know-it-all and probably is
Overlord is the baby of the group
unkempt trail
A reason they would have to stream the meka team is for public endorsement and funding, people would be more inclined to root and support their young protectors if they see what they're fighting. Plus it's powerful propaganda against the gwishin
Fits into the culture of creating "pop" idols
peak escarp
yeah
peak escarp
also fun fact - a StarCraft designer helped create the other MEKA members
iron plume
the thing about them streaming is
Shooting Star shows that the government/program leadership misleads the population about the results of the missions
dva being “without a scratch” when we see her with a broken arm, etc etc
which would be
significantly more difficult if the missions are live-streamed
worthy rose
You think they pre-recorded a couple fake missions and showed the korean population these fake missions as if they're no biggie so that they don't freak and not actually live stream the actual real missions?
limpid agate
Or they just streamed some easy missions
iron plume
that is more plausible
limpid agate
And didn't stream the harder or more risky ones
iron plume
but at that point why bother
I think not streaming anything would be less suspicious than going “see everything’s fine now you don’t see the other ones”
limpid agate
Other hand is
Overlord's drones arent Drones
Theyre the cameras
And he wasn't in that mission so no stream
iron plume
but he was in the one that sidelined them
and there was some bullshit about it in the news too
iron plume
hm well maybe
limpid agate
And the injuries/decomissioned mechd are public knowledge
iron plume
but like
I doubt lying about dva would be the first time
you don’t just go “hey there weren’t any cameras, let’s mislead our whole population”
limpid agate
I dunno
Know witnesses is optimal time to distort news
The opprotunity sets itself
iron plume
but why
if you’re not already in the pattern