I thouhgt it sounded like him at first, and got really confused, because there is no way that omnic is Reaper
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
proud lynx
Plus if you could imagine his silhouette, it matches very close to Reapers.
devout sable
I didn't see the jaw at first, so I didn't connect with Reaper at all at the time
devout sable
that's a bizarre theory
like, that's obviously an omnic
there's no way for that to be Gabriel
random pike
Well I am a bizarre person
random pike
Yeah because the year before at Venice
devout sable
it's two years after Venice actually
proud lynx
Wait when did Retribution take place?
random pike
Oh yeah
devout sable
and Reyes is still on Overwatch
worthy rose
Where does reaper like stay?
devout sable
what?
random pike
What
proud lynx
It was 7 years from the current date right?
random pike
Storm Rising is 6 years
proud lynx
No Retribution I'm talking about
random pike
Idk for Retribution or Uprising though
worthy rose
Like tracer lives with her girlfriend, winston lives in Gibraltar, sombra has dorado, widow lives in the chateau, moira lives in Oasis, and soldier and Ana are kinda wandering migrants so where does reaper stay when not on duty
devout sable
8 years ago – Retribution
7 years ago – Uprising
6 years ago – Storm Rising, Overwatch HQ explosion
5 years ago – Overwatch disbanded
proud lynx
Right thx
proud lynx
If you remember at the end of Retribution, McCree mentions "That's when it all started to go wrong". At this part we see Jack and Ana questioning Reyes. This might be a hint to when Reyes turned to Reaper
random pike
Maybe at Talon because he is wanted
worthy rose
Just kinda moving from place to place
No i mean like does he just live from talon to talon fortress cause there are presumably a couple of those
devout sable
anyhow, I think the omnic is likely to be the leader of Null Sector
proud lynx
That might be right actually. We haven't really heard about Null Sector that much
random pike
Oh yeah in one of the Archive tweets it gives away the start date of the event and new map and the fight when Winston defeated Doomfist is going to be the new PvE
proud lynx
But I can think of a few points that counteract that @devout sable
devout sable
how so?
he's got a purple design, he's described as "fighting for his people"
he's definitely supposed to be some kind of omnic extremist
random pike
Max gives it away three weeks from went it was posted the start date of the Anniversary event and the map name when Winston defeated Doomfist
devout sable
the start date?
random pike
Start date of next event
worthy rose
It's plausible but not confirmed and there's a couple things about him working with null sector being weird but me and slignerd had this argument before and I don't wanna get into it again
random pike
Not sure let me check
proud lynx
Well firstly why would he go to Doomfist? Talon presumably wouldn't want anything to do with another Group. Secondly that omnics voice, its an American access whereas Uprising took place in London. Why would an American Omnic want to start some reign of terror in London?
Accent*
@devout sable you see what I mean
devout sable
... why not?
Null Sector needs resources to achieve its goals
and Talon seeks to kickstart a human-omnic war
worthy rose
slig is super into the idea mana that he's talon but I'm not entirely convinced yet myself
devout sable
both of them get exactly what they want out of such a partnership
worthy rose
I thought Null sector was about omnic equality and extremism than actual world war
Like the black panthers during the civil rights era
limpid agate
Well, the war is Doomfist's goal. Null Sector is out for Omnic Supremacy which is attained via the means of war
devout sable
Null Sector seems primarily interested in carving out an organic-free nation for omnics.
proud lynx
@worthy rose Yeah that's what its supposed to be about
limpid agate
They don't want equality
devout sable
in King's Row, human survivors were being actively exterminated
limpid agate
Not from what we saw
Their first order of business we saw was them destroying an event that was equality
They dont want equality
worthy rose
I thought that was an event about trying to make peace with omnics and null sector was going with the "You oppressed us for years and you think an apartment living area will make up for that? Naw"
Omnic supremacy is a touchy area mainly because I haven't seen really any indication leading me to believe that any omnic thinks they're above normal humans which they could easily do with some rhetoric or something. Actual destruction is something else entirely where they were trying to carve our an area for themselves. An omnics only area if you will
devout sable
again, they were actively hunting down any remaining human survivors
worthy rose
idk an omnic saying "inferior flesh bags" would be pretty good
They were holding hostages and it wasn't just humans but the omnics that sided with the humans
worthy rose
that if they were all about Omnic supremacy, then they'd murder everyone without hesitation
Why keep hostages if you're trying to assert your supremacy over anything
so omnic supremacy as a concept for null sector isn't what i'd go for
worthy rose
That's already a zero sum game. What do they get by causing this cause they'll have to keep holding them and basically be at a standstill until they get an omnic only area and omnic only area doesn't scream surpemacy to me but "Fuck you, this small area belongs to omnics and only omnics"
devout sable
they did murder everyone without hesitation
except for a few high-profile individuals
worthy rose
I'm going to watch end game now, brb in a couple hours
devout sable
@worthy rose I means, I guess that's not exactly wrong
I said as much
carving out a nation for omnics alone
worthy rose
Omnic supremacy strikes me more as like wiping humans off the face of the earth than a sort of city state forming
devout sable
they're clearly genocidal towards the humans within the territories under their control
while I don't care much for the phrase of "omnic supremacy", it really isn't too far off the mark
wet fractal
were the omic race created by people
cause they're robots, so someone had to like, manufacture their whole population right
and who made all the evil ones
silent robin
i guess yeah
wet fractal
hm
silent robin
i mean how would they exist if they werent built by us?
wet fractal
like the person who invented them didnt make a killswitch or something, cause the crusaders fought them for years
worthy rose
so does the lore
silent robin
yes but i think the evil ones were not suposed to be evil
@remote wyvern just leave the server and dont play the game c:
wet fractal
^
wet fractal
yeah
wet fractal
ah
silent robin
i just joined this server and i already love it xD
wet fractal
you love the server?
silent robin
yeah
silent robin
i guess i will do same
i think the lore is pretty interesting although many peolpe dont like it
silent robin
yes it does
wet fractal
play the blackwatch event mission
the story one
thats a very small part of the lore
dont u watch the cinematics
silent robin
how can reaper even die if he is dead already (not event related)
wet fractal
he is not dead
silent robin
hes kinda dead
wet fractal
he was experimented on by moira
silent robin
didnt mercy kinda revive him?
wet fractal
whatre u even talking about
wet fractal
theres so much
silent robin
by blizz
wet fractal
and its still expanding
silent robin
yeah
wet fractal
oi
limpid agate
What's this about
silent robin
just stories
silent robin
there are some videos and stuff
wet fractal
theres cinematics, readings, in game story missions, dialogue,
silent robin
xDD
there are a lot cinematics
not every part of the lore is in the cinematics
but some important events
wet fractal
that one video tells us so much about genji and hanzos backstory
silent robin
thats true
wet fractal
theres still much more than that
okay well then u just play games for the sake of it
i can tell u really dont care about the experience
silent robin
there IS a full story
wet fractal
wet fractal
just ples move to a different channel XD
limpid agate
Gameplay is not canon.
wet fractal
theres still lots of dialogue and interactions between the characters in game that have to do with their backstories
that are canon
silent robin
yeah thats true
limpid agate
That is correct. The interactions that exist in game reflect the lore, showing what two characters would say in a given situation, which reveals their character, goals, relations, and history.
wet fractal
ya
silent robin
yes
limpid agate
It does NOT reflect what they know in the present or who they have met. The conversations themselves did not happen. They are just hypotheticals that reflect what has already happened
silent robin
and the game itself, like tracer and winston shooting each other, does not make sense in the lore but who cares
wet fractal
um
limpid agate
@worthy rose SFW
wet fractal
no
limpid agate
I said SFW
silent robin
wtf
limpid agate
I will not repeat myself
wet fractal
oh ur a modetator 0_o
silent robin
what a troll
wet fractal
alsosaying the p word isnt that dirty but okay, anyways
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
wet fractal
Daenarys if u want a game that has story in the gameplay just play Nier
silent robin
or play the events
limpid agate
They've been disposed of. We are moving on.
wet fractal
yeah XD
wet fractal
i want the genji pachimari plush
silent robin
that looks creepy
wet fractal
XD
untold totem
Who is the thickets over watch character
valid shell
@untold totem Wanna take another run at that?
proud lynx
What kind of question is that @untold totem
So what do you guys think of an Overwatch Movie or TV series?
lunar latch
Would watch 10/10
proud lynx
I know this has been brought up before but I just wanna know your opinions
@lunar latch Yea me too buddy
lunar latch
I think it would be amazing thinking of all the lore the game has witnessed already
proud lynx
Yea see that's one of the things I am confused about right. If a movie or TV series was made, what story would they go for?
proud lynx
See I think that a present day scenario would work for a TV series
With occasional flashbacks and stuff
proud lynx
Look I won't get excited about anything. We probably won't be getting anything for a few years
lunar latch
probs wont get it anyways
unless they copy Pokemon and make a whole film about it
"Detective Pikachu"
lunar latch
really hard to think about
lunar latch
what makes you think that?
worthy rose
bcs cowboys and cowgirls
bcs
uhh
mccree was one of the founders
yet it waas founded it 1976
lunar latch
Overwatch, magic healers and talking monkeys
lunar latch
could be possible but hard to actually picture
worthy rose
yes
lunar latch
cool
wheat elm
that profile pic says everything tbh
lunar latch
^
peak escarp
easiest explanation for the date is that McCree repurposed the logo from an older gang
time travel doesn't exist in Overwatch (not like that, anyway)
timid eagle
It surprised me that they haven’t updated that texture yet. I remember seeing a good chunk of posts that commented on that.
peak escarp
its probably intentional
considering they had the opportunity to fix it with Deadlock McCree but didn't
the "est. 1976" is only seen on McCree - not on Ashe, not on Route 66, not on the other Deadlock gang members
it's also interesting that the logos all say "Deadlock Rebels", yet the gang is only ever called the Deadlock Gang
peak escarp
it would be nice to get an answer on that
muted fog
that is true
last inlet
Maybe one day someone will ask Chu on Twitter and he'll actually answer
muted fog
and it will be added to the book of Chu, if he ever does
peak escarp
people have definitely asked
I have
but he's selective about what he wants to answer
it's usually trivial things
muted fog
that book was like 46 pages long and most questions were repeated
he is pretty selective
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
cool fam, how about you talk about that in general
quartz sandal
@worthy rose Remember don't swear in this discord
valid shell
That's not a rule.
peak escarp
I didn't see any swearing
worthy rose
also I don't think that's a bot
I think that's a person pretending to be a bot to troll ppl
peak escarp
yeah
wind quest
overwatch never got shut down
olli just sat on them all
and they died
plot twist
poff
fåk
regal coyote
@peak escarp i am still thinking the deadlock rebel is an ancient gane, which may or may not ahve some personal connection to McCree and/or his history
the deadlock gang, howeve, is the current thing
the name is similar enough, but probably dont have any connection that is too direct
at best it is some distant ancesters
but as we know the historical Deadlock gang or rebels in real history is not really a gang/group at all
it is more like a cohort of different outlaws all using the same area as base and having a truce with each other for the most part
many of them rarely work together
cosmic obsidian
full basin
I think he means like how Tracer does it
peak escarp
Tracer can manipulate her own position within the timeline to a limited degree
she basically just speeds up or rewinds herself
she can't go decades into the past or future
green terrace
лул
full basin
So I always catch up this discord chat and I think I read yesterday about Gabriel Reyes not being the first reaper or smth?
cunning ledge
ok so
basically
there's a single line in a blog post which states that the reaper has been active 'for decades'
when reyes had not 'turned' that long ago
chu has specified that the line in question is worded very specifically
which kind of implies that there was someone known as the reaper active before reyes changed sides
that's about it as far as i can remember
peak escarp
well, Reaper's bio sounds like it was written by Atlas
cunning ledge
yeah
peak escarp
it's full of hearsay and rumors
I don't think that omnic is a Reaper
based on his appearance and what Doomfist says about "fighting for your kind", I would put money on him being with Null Sector
desert hawk
Is it gonna be new character?
peak escarp
I don't think they'll make Anubis a character
cunning ledge
i think he meant reaper omnic man
peak escarp
considering Pharah already shut him down in present day
oh
yeah, that omnic will definitely be a hero
cunning ledge
having a voice and an in-game style model already definitely helps
desert hawk
Who?
peak escarp
they guy Reyes kills at the beginning of Retribution
he has a voice and an in-game character model
desert hawk
Oh.
heady pivot
Whats do your guys think that the new "Hero" is going to bedste called?
Be*
Not bedste
Damn you danish autocorrect
frosty shell
We know they have been working on Echo, Sojourn, and the Junkertown Queen
However, I wonder if the fact that they are working on a hero necessary means said hero will see the light of day
peak escarp
Null Hector
peak escarp
it's a long shot reason
but what if the reason they called him Wrecking Ball instead of Hammond was to avoid confusion with Hamid when he gets released as a hero
muted fog
that would be a good reason to name him that, but us players will always call him Hammond or big ball rolling at you
proud hedge
hi
regal coyote
Anubis may well be a character we get to see, though unlikely playable.
Being a characteer does not mean they ahve to be playable. And I am happy to get more characters, playable or not, it fills the world with more lore
as for the dreaded Atlas News... theya re unreliable
They are an In-Lore news agency, and is totally capable of making mistakes and/or misinformation, intentional or not
I wont be surprised if some talonr elated titles are passed down with some sort of system though, that said only doomfist is the sample for now, and the first doomfist isnt even talon
moira does not hold a title it seem
as for hamid being a hero layable... maybe (i hope so)
Not sure of the intention of calling hammond wrackingball instead though... clearly Jeff is aware it is not the best idea and even come to accept fans calling him hammond instead of wball
@frosty shell at least on Echo is is 100% sure. It is a matter of WHEN we will have her as character playable
Jeff give us her name, and is sure they are getting ehr ready, jsut not released YET
fringe blade
I honestly hope heroes like Sojourn and Anubis never become in game heroes
we need more out of game lore and heroes imo
supporting characters and such
worthy rose
in volskaya
there
is a little thing
in the attack spawn
its in russian
and it has a car
cunning ledge
???
iron plume
he's talking about the newspaper
and yes, there's a car ad on it
the headline news is "Volskaya: Politics without robots"
fringe blade
They said that they have 'big plans' for Sojourn
iron plume
I don't think Sojourn is getting hero'd
dk why you'd want the anubis omnic to not be one though
there's already two side characters featured in the event
iron plume
...the car?
iron plume
there's two things on it
worthy rose
well that we can see
iron plume
peak escarp
Sojourn will be a hero but not hero 31, according to Jeff
I look forward to having her in the game
I've been wanting more ex-Overwatch
last inlet
Yeah, the last one we got was...Ana, the first new character way back when
fringe blade
I am actually curious if Echo is being introduced to the overwatch team for the first time or not
The wording in the short is rather peculiar
I am honestly still sticking to my idea that Echo is an embodiment of Liao
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peak escarp
and if Echo isnt a former Overwatch member, she is at least familiar with them
!!loreonly
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peak escarp
that doesn't have anything to do with the lore
stay on topic or go back to #general-discussion
peak escarp
I wish people would stop with the "evil Mercy"
she is the complete opposite of evil
same goes for Mei
tepid abyss
We have echo soujorn and this omnic doom was talking too and potentially max as a hero, yet none have been confirmed/ hinted to as the upcoming hero
Kinda weird
peak escarp
we have a few that were confirmed to not be the next hero
we usually don't have a good idea of who the next hero will be
just a shortlist of candidates
tepid abyss
True I guess, though didnt they do something with sombra? Like random clues everywhere
peak escarp
Sombra was the only hero where we knew 100% she would be the next hero
ocean inlet
there's also talk (thought its most likely not going to happen) that jetpack cat actually might be added since jeff said "it would be as ridiculous as adding a hamster" and yknow, there's hammond
ocean inlet
understandable
peak escarp
ocean inlet
sorry, i thought it was on topic with hero talk, considering people actually think it might happen
peak escarp
there's your jetpack cat
muted fog
not that i'm a fun killer, i like memes, but this is a serious channel for lore
peak escarp
that's as close as you're going to get
muted fog
and that is the greatest picture i've ever seen
the cat's even got a little fin on it's head
but it looks like the cat dosn't want to be there
anyway
muted fog
true
half pasture
The hooded omnic baddie that's possibly an upcoming hero likely has to do with Null Sector right? He's purple plus what Doomfist was saying really hints at that
last inlet
Likely. Unconfirmed so far
worthy rose
^
frosty shell
Sojourn better not be another American
peak escarp
plot twist - she's Canadian
valid shell
I can only hope.
worthy rose
ooo
last inlet
Finally the representation they deserve
last inlet
Overwatch ripping games off again
regal coyote
@peak escarp wait wait, how old is that picture of brig and kitty in terms of timeline?
peak escarp
idk, she looks <10
regal coyote
if you look at it ... that would be AT LEAST after white dome yes (cause she not born) and you see torb's robot arm
but he does look like he is still younger with his hair
regal coyote
just wondering if the kitty is still around :3
they have lots of cats yes
sicne brig is a destined catlady :3
peak escarp
regal coyote
My point is... can cat live super old too. if hamsters can
peak escarp
Hammond is a genetically enhanced hamster
regal coyote
also "evil mercy" exist, it is called widowmaker aka Moira.
peak escarp
the Lindholm family cats are ordinary housecats
regal coyote
*widowmkermaker
regal coyote
cat lives about 20
and i have a 16 yo next to me now
he is still jumpy
but yeah 30 is pushing it
unless cat in that picture is like a 1 yo or so
then she can be alive but super old
sicne the oldest cat i know (my friend's not mine) is 24 last is ee her
she is a bti slow but still able to climb stairs at 24
peak escarp
the age of Brigitte's cats isn't important
regal coyote
that said, pedigree cat is much less healthy and die faster. but natural cats and natural breeds are fine. that fluccy cat might be a norwegian forest cat so maybe can go old
I was just wondering, i o like soem of the side characters and lore. like, would be ncie to know how efi is doing after she made orisa
fro a plot point of view a genious like her can be fastlaned into higher education earlier.
or research facility
peak escarp
in-universe, it has only been a month or so since she build Orisa
the white cat is named Mitzi, btw
my dad had a cat named Mitzi when he was a kid too
regal coyote
was nto sure if that is the same Mitzi brig was riding in the sprays
thanks for confirming :3
but speaking of mei and scientist
I treat Mei as a neutral force like nature, which is the best for her really. Not too much into being the action squad, btu occasional help, and mostly help by backend and information as she should be.
btu we will benefit from another evil scientist type.
moira is made to mirror mercy so not that pair
no moral wild thing vs stuck up moral prude
worthy rose
What if Paul Blart was in Overwatch?
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
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abstract timber
if he was in OW
you would be asked to not kill people
and then a mall would blow up
literally
worthy rose
devout sable
not lore
frosty shell
Sojourn being Canadian would make sense
timid eagle
Yep. And we haven’t got a new cyborg hero in a while.
Also, from what we have heard during Storm Rising, she sounds awesome.
ocean inlet
I heard a dialouge interaction between mccree and ashe that implies mccree lived on a farm. There's a discussion about it on the forums and someone said it could also just be her calling him poor. " You make that sound like a bad thing. You’d still be on a farm if it weren’t for me."
ocean inlet
here's the discussion: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/so-apparently-mccree-was-born-on-a-farm/246061
peak escarp
that post is from 6 months ago
regal coyote
i dont think he is born on a farm
but his gamily work on/in a farm so he a farmboy (without the ability to use the force)
peak escarp
that's the same thing
regal coyote
wait who is from a farm other than mccree?
peak escarp
Jack
regal coyote
oh right from the story
limpid agate
Thought you meant the other was Roadhog
I seem to remember him being a solar farmer, is they accurate?
peak escarp
I think he was mentioned to be a farmer somewhere
but I was referring to growing up on a farm
This arrangement permanently displaced Mako Rutledge and a large number of the Outback's residents, a scattered collection of survivalists, solar farmers, and people who just wanted to be left alone.
limpid agate
Right, but is he a farmer?
peak escarp
I think people assume that because he lives on a farm outside Junkertown
closest we have to confirming that he's a farmer
limpid agate
Talking about stripping the farm while holding a solar panel
desert hawk
Where’d those comics come from?
peak escarp
desert hawk
Oh, thanks
limpid agate
Also in pins
desert hawk
Oh
regal coyote
yeah hog is a solar farmer most likely
desert hawk
Seems to have been, based on the comic
proud lynx
Was he always a farmer. Like before the omnic Crisis
peak escarp
we don't know
regal coyote
before the omnic crisis the world is different
during the omnic thing he is fighting against omnic mostly, and after that when australian government betray them he was fighting against the omnics and help blow up the omnium
peak escarp
do we know the occupation of any of the heroes pre-crisis?
Jack, Reyes, Reinhardt and Ana were in the military
Torbjorn was an engineer
Moira was probably in university
Doomfist was basically a teenaged MMA fighter
I think that's everyone who is old enough
there really aren't that many heroes who weren't either born after the crisis or were children during the crisis
covert surge
Dva is 19, The Omnic crisis started in 2044-2046 so.. if your born in the 2000's if your 19.. 2044 - 19 = 2025?
peak escarp
we don't know when the crisis started
and DVa is 19 in present day (~60 years from now)
covert surge
peak escarp
so she would be born ~41 years from now
covert surge
You know
Maybe D-va was in like, a theatre group in highschool?
Because she was a actor
idk if I'm helping anyone
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limpid agate
Wikia is rife with error and doesn't source its claims
obsidian cargo
Does anyone want to hear a joke? OMNIC RIGHTS! Uh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh.
Peck, I still have that joke furry avi on.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @obsidian cargo
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obsidian cargo
Nobody appreciates my memes.
peak escarp
rights are not a joke
valid shell
And maymays don't belong here.
obsidian cargo
They are if they're of the OMNIC variety.
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
devout sable
@peak escarp the Crisis began, and ended, roughly 30 years ago
I think we recently got something akin to a confirmation that it lasted at least several years tho
was it with Baptiste?
!!loreHeroes baptiste
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regal coyote
on omnic crisis end date, i think the end date of different area of the world would be different, and have slightly different outcome to say the least
Russia dealing the problem of their own have a slightly different end date, and in that the war is stechnically still going on and off.
Aussie did it by betraying people of an area ending up in some gurilla movement and the neutralization of an omnium.
The start date of the omnic crisis, however, is likely to be the same.
devout sable
the omnium was actually given to the omnics after the war was already over
!!loreHeroes roadhog
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devout sable
"After the Omnic Crisis, government officials gifted the Australian omnium and the surrounding area to the omnics that had nearly destroyed their country, hoping to establish a long-term peace accord."
this line makes me wonder
does that mean that the omnics just stopped being hostile at some point?
or maybe it's referring to omnics in general, and the omnics that were given the omnium were different than the war machines deployed in the Omnic Crisis?
it's all so vague and confusing about such basic stuff, that everyone in-universe would definitely know
it sucks
cedar yacht
desert hawk
do we know what the purple box is from the train hopper comic?
peak escarp
the omnic crisis had to have lasted a few years, because several sources give an end date, and none of them are 30 years ago
Orisa's bio says it ended 20 years ago ("After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program [. . .]")
White Dome implies that it ended 23 years ago ("deal with a remaining pocket of omnic resistance")
Soldier's origin story says it ended 25 years ago ("I led Overwatch for 20 years" plus the 5 years since the fall)
the Uprising intro says it ended 27 years ago ("20 years after we won the war against the omnics", Uprising is 7 years ago)
I tend to just average that out to 25 years
and say the omnic crisis lasted 5 years, which puts it on par with other global wars
frosty shell
non of those sources are contradictory though
frosty shell
No
The OR-14 program being revived might not've been the same date they were put back in service
White Dome was likely after the main crisis ended
peak escarp
Orisa's bio also says the OR15s were only in service a short time before being defeated by Doomfist
frosty shell
but "reviving the program" might not mean "when they were put in service"
It could've taken 5 years to finalize the design and make it
peak escarp
After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program to protect the city from external threats. These new OR15s were deployed for a short time before they were destroyed in an attack by Doomfist.
that doesn't sound like they took time to redesign them that much
frosty shell
not really
And the OR-15s are a different model and 5 years doesn't seem like a crazy amount of time for a project to spend in development
frosty shell
Uprising is the hardest to jive with, but it could be an approximation or it could mean that the Crisis ended in the UK before it did elsewhere
Also, wouldn't Morrison leading Overwatch for 20 years imply the crisis ended 26 years ago because I thought Morrison "died" 6 years ago
frosty shell
yeah that does sound good
And I can't imagine the war taking less than 2 years to finish
peak escarp
and then there's Chu's response, that puts the Crisis at 25 years ago, "give or take a few years"
frosty shell
yep
peak escarp
I'm still sticking with 25 years ago
frosty shell
Not quite on topic, but assuming my interpretation of "20 years" is correct, I wonder if Numbani recommissioned the OR-15s because they knew Overwatch couldn't help them anymore
frosty shell
Also, it does make sense that the OR-15s couldn't protect against Doomfist because at the time he was in jail
peak escarp
he only became a major player in Talon about 8 years ago, after Retribution
frosty shell
Maybe Doomfist #2 mostly just attacked Numbani
peak escarp
maybe
frosty shell
He was known as the "Scourge of Numbani" after all
frosty shell
We know from Baptiste's origin that the Caribbean was still in chaos post-Crisis, so White Dome would still make sense
peak escarp
yeah
global conflicts don't just end all at once
it takes time for everyone to get the message
frosty shell
and in Korea the Crisis still hasn't really ended
I asked Chu what enemies the Caribbean Coalition fought, but it didn't make it in to the Q&A
maybe some small islands were extensively fortified by Omnics and thus proved hard to eliminate
peak escarp
they might also be fighting enemies besides omnics
frosty shell
yes like Overwatch did
peak escarp
just because omnics are around doesn't mean human-human conflicts will cease to exist
frosty shell
also, I imagine that even after the Omniums fell Omnic forces didn't just crumble at once
fringe blade
Overwatch was an international group, right?
Feels like something that would be UN-sanctioned
frosty shell
yep it is explicitly stated to be UN-sanctioned too
fringe blade
I am curious, how was Balderich able to just pass on his place in Overwatch to Reinhardt
Wouldn't there have to be some sort of election process or something
peak escarp
I want to know why Overwatch accepted him when he turned up instead of Balderich
I imagine it involved Reinhardt retelling the story of Balderich's valiant last stand, and some impassioned speech about honor
the other Overwatch founders were picked because they were the best at what they did
worthy rose
I'd say it's because "We need as many members as possible for this strike team" and they saw he was deceased since I'm sure it shows up on record of his death
peak escarp
if they needed as many members as possible, why did they only have 6?
fringe blade
I mean, I see why Rein would be determined to join Overwatch
Since it was a thing of honor and honoring Balderich's memory
worthy rose
let me rephrase
"We need as many Qualified members/representatives of the nations available to give us for this experimental strike team"
And I assume the omnic crisis was really bad considering America had probably a good chunk of super soliders and them only sending in 2 members, Germany sparing a single crusader, Egypt with an elite sniper, I actually don't know what to think about torb's involvement
peak escarp
Torbjorn was an engineer who helped design many of the omnic models
worthy rose
no I got that, but like he is an engineer and seeing him in the actual front line battle with the original strike team is a bit questionable since you'd expect him to design their weapons or improve them anyway
hollow wing
i sure don't
worthy rose
k
limpid agate
@worthy rose If you have something to say, just say it. Bear in mind that shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
I'M NOT SHITPOSTING
limpid agate
Then say what you have to say.
limpid agate
And why do you feel the need to state this?
limpid agate
Don't randomly come in here to make a big scene about having a comment that is 2 year old news.
Consider this your final warning
hollow wing
hahaha
worthy rose
ya
warped roost
🤦 ♂️
worthy rose
wa
limpid agate
That warning goes to all in here.
hollow wing
I don't get it.. It says you're a moderator... but I don't see you on the list to my left... HELP?
It's actually to the right but I'm an idiot... D:
warped roost
same here...
worthy rose
same as well
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
i want poeople to talk about the lore
worthy rose
where did ashe go at the end of the mccree short
peak escarp
back to the Deadlock gang's clubhouse
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
who do you think reaper was looking at?
peak escarp
his family
worthy rose
one of the adults?
worthy rose
ex-spouse seems likely
58?!
jeez
why do you think sombra was in the same bar as mccree
peak escarp
because it was in Dorado
worthy rose
was it a coincidence?
peak escarp
she's from Dorado
worthy rose
ah
peak escarp
McCree being there is the coincidence
worthy rose
probably
peak escarp
I don't think he knew she was there (or even knows who she is)
peak escarp
I don't know
worthy rose
neither
peak escarp
it's hard to say without knowing why he betrayed Overwatch
depending on his motivations, he might be redeemable, he might not be
worthy rose
good point
do you think anyone in the new overwatch knows reyes and morrsion are alive (apart from ana, she saw both of their faces. or what's left of reyes's)
peak escarp
nope
worthy rose
thats what i thought
pliant sparrow
They might suspect it
peak escarp
the only people who know Reaper = Reyes are Ana, Jack, Sombra, Doomfist and Moira
worthy rose
a h
peak escarp
it's a popular public theory that Soldier 76 = Morrison though
worthy rose
but there's a manhunt on for him
peak escarp
so it's likely that while only Ana, Sombra, Reaper and Doomfist actually know he's alive, the rest may have heard rumors and may or may not believe them
worthy rose
if they thought he was alive and he was an overwatch hero why would they want to arrest him
peak escarp
Atlas News reporter Olympia Shaw wrote a whole article on it
worthy rose
is that in the rise ans shine short
worthy rose
gimme a sec
peak escarp
but it represents an article that was published in-universe
worthy rose
ill check it out
peak escarp
so the public would know about the theory that 76 = Morrison
pliant sparrow
Overwatch is currently illegal in the world so he’d be arrested if suspected of working for it and if not he’s assaulting people without the authority to do so
worthy rose
i want to know about the lore more
peak escarp
no
worthy rose
or does anyone know reeaper exists
peak escarp
they just know he's a mercenary
worthy rose
i keep making typos
peak escarp
and that he drains the life from his victims
pliant sparrow
They know he works with talon
worthy rose
wait...
why do the people make overwatch illegal but do naught about talon?
SUSPICIOUS
pliant sparrow
It’d be hard to counter talon with or without Overwatch
peak escarp
they have moles everywhere
worthy rose
YEAH HIM
pliant sparrow
Maximilian supposedly has connections pretty much everywhere major
worthy rose
who do think that guy is at the end of storm rising
peak escarp
I think he's connected to Null Sector
worthy rose
my guesses are: reyes, baptiste, new hero
worthy rose
could be a disguise
peak escarp
Jeff said he was an omnic
pliant sparrow
He’s been confirmed an omnic
pliant sparrow
^
half pasture
What are Null Sector's actual goals
pliant sparrow
Omnic domination
worthy rose
they're an omnic extemist group
half pasture
I mean yes
peak escarp
they say they want rights for omnics, but they probably want more than that
half pasture
but what are their extremes
peak escarp
we don't know the extent of their goals
but we do know they're willing to kill and take hostages to get them
pliant sparrow
Destruction/enslavement of humanity is likely
worthy rose
yeah cuz they took omnic and human hostages in the kings row uprising
pliant sparrow
But they’ve never confirmed their motives
worthy rose
but weren't they stopped by mercy rienhardt tracer and toirb?
peak escarp
that situation was handled by them
peak escarp
but Null Sector is a larger organization
worthy rose
HANDLED
pliant sparrow
Again, like talon, with many deep roots across the world
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
do you think their threat is bigger than talon
pliant sparrow
That’s how most extremist organisations work
peak escarp
they seem to be less connected than Talon
worthy rose
like is their threat level bigger
peak escarp
although if this new guy is a Null Sector leader and he's teaming up with Talon in present day, that could spell bad things
worthy rose
like oofs for overwatch
pliant sparrow
Talon can give null sector a massive supply of omnics
peak escarp
he was setting up a partnership with Doomfist during Storm Rising 6 years ago, but Doomfist got put in jail so their plans had to be put on hold
pliant sparrow
Considering the financing behind talon
peak escarp
now that he's out . . .
pliant sparrow
Things could change
worthy rose
do you think talon would attack overwatch head on or, like, target their loved ones first?
peak escarp
I think their plans will resume, and that's what Winston et al. will be fighting against
pliant sparrow
Well they’re already trying to exterminate old members with reaper
worthy rose
yeah
half pasture
I think Talon did attack overwatch head on
The destruction of Overwatch Headquarters is almost certainly that
pliant sparrow
That was due to a civil war in Overwatch
worthy rose
do you think morrison knew about reapers plans in venice in blackwatch? or did he not know? or was reyes's actions spontaneous
pliant sparrow
He may or may not have
peak escarp
Morrison knew that Reyes planned to kidnap Antonio
worthy rose
it was desrroyed by morrison and reyes fighting not talon
peak escarp
Reyes killing Antonio was a spur-of-the-moment decision
half pasture
But that civil war is Overwatch is Reyes vs Morrison
worthy rose
ah
half pasture
and Reyes does eventually defect to talon
pliant sparrow
Both were Overwatch at the time
half pasture
and maybe had already
pliant sparrow
That’s a possibility
half pasture
We don't actually know when Moria and Reyes swapped sides
worthy rose
reyes probably defected because of a lust for power
pliant sparrow
Reyes was likely after the explosion of headquarters
worthy rose
not becauswe of talom
peak escarp
he didn't want power
pliant sparrow
He defected for revenge
worthy rose
oh
peak escarp
Reyes was happy to let Morrison be the leader
worthy rose
i didnt know that
peak escarp
we don't know why Reyes joined the dark side
half pasture
we also don't know why Morrison and Reyes threw down
worthy rose
was it bercause of moira?
peak escarp
except that he does blame Overwatch for his current condition
peak escarp
yes
pliant sparrow
It’s not said if he holds a grudge against moira is it?
peak escarp
he considers her "an old friend"
worthy rose
might do
peak escarp
so I don't think he has a grudge against her
worthy rose
yeah...
pliant sparrow
Ah ok
worthy rose
i am so unknowledgable
pliant sparrow
You know more than a lot of people I’ve seen
worthy rose
cheers
do you think baptiste will join overwatch?
or at least be associated with them
pliant sparrow
He’s more of s vigilante like soldier
worthy rose
yeah
pliant sparrow
He might but I doubt he would unless they meet with the same goals in mind
worthy rose
but he was sitting ona pile of talon soldiers in his short
he might want to take them down
peak escarp
worthy rose
and i guess so does overwatch
pliant sparrow
Yeah since he’s defected from talon
worthy rose
WhAt
pliant sparrow
Nothing coming up there for me
worthy rose
how did you get that
peak escarp
I extracted the audio files from the game
worthy rose
he said 'i need to pay a visit to a friend'
peak escarp
that's what he says on Oasis
worthy rose
OH YEAH
peak escarp
people used to think he meant Mercy, but now we know he's talking about Moira
worthy rose
i heard about that somewhere
pliant sparrow
Baptiste?
peak escarp
yep
pliant sparrow
Yeah
peak escarp
she's a Minister there
pliant sparrow
^
pliant sparrow
my ears
peak escarp
there was nothing to reply to
worthy rose
yeha
peak escarp
sometimes it gets quiet, no need to panic
worthy rose
k
pliant sparrow
Don’t worry we’re not dead
pliant sparrow
More decomposing person but yeah i see your point
worthy rose
when do you think people will answer the recall? the ones i know are: tracer, rienhardt, mei and probably someone else i've forgot
pliant sparrow
Mercy possibly
worthy rose
maybe
pliant sparrow
Maybe McCree
worthy rose
yeah cuz in his short he said they want him back
peak escarp
Tracer, Mei and Reinhardt have already answered
worthy rose
does echo count for the recall
worthy rose
but wasnt brigitte annoyed at how they treated him
peak escarp
McCree sent Echo instead, and might join later
pliant sparrow
Did ana mention it in Bastet?
peak escarp
the only former Overwatch members who haven't answered (and aren't assumed to be dead) are Mercy and Sojourn
worthy rose
have you heard about that founder called liao
or something
we know NOTHING about him
peak escarp
Liao hasn't been mentioned in the lore since 2016
pliant sparrow
True
peak escarp
she is a mystery
worthy rose
2016? jeez
pliant sparrow
I think either blizzard are preparing something big for them or have forgotten about them
Although they might have died early on
worthy rose
do you think anyone else will join overwatch? anyone new?
like d.va or lucio
dv.a is probably busy in korea
peak escarp
they might in the future, but they're busy right now
Genji might bring in Zenyatta
and Hanzo might come looking for him
worthy rose
OH YEAH, cuz he trained him
i dont know if this counts as lore...
itr's like a what if
pliant sparrow
Is that shitposting I see?
peak escarp
ignore it
pliant sparrow
Alright
worthy rose
oh phew
pliant sparrow
The link just now
worthy rose
what do you think would happen if talon found tracer not winston?
i asked an admin
if i could ask
peak escarp
I don't think Talon would have the technology to stabilize her
peak escarp
she'd be a villain
worthy rose
k
pliant sparrow
Talon would probably try to gain some control over where she appears
Considering she’d be impossible to stop getting inside buildings
pliant sparrow
Yeah
But it’s stated that she was found wandering the world, so anyone could have found her
pliant sparrow
She went missing
worthy rose
Talk tomorrow
pliant sparrow
Alright
peak escarp
there are no stupid questions only stupid people
pliant sparrow
Probably not
peak escarp
Emily is just a civilian
worthy rose
a bystander
peak escarp
she's moral support for Tracer
pliant sparrow
I doubt tracer wants her to be involved in anything
ocean inlet
i dont think mercy would answer the recall, im pretty sure she thought overwatch shutting down was for the best, it's been a while since ive heard the voiceline that hinted to this though
peak escarp
yeah
she's the one I expect to say no
but Overwatch being Overwatch, something major will force her into helping the team anyway
ocean inlet
i also recall an in-universe article where she says that after morrison became leader reyes' relationship with him changed and tension rose