cheers
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
last inlet
Keep this channel for lore only, man
worthy rose
he spammed it to every chat
full basin
What does Ana mean with "We shut down the Anubis Project"?
devout sable
presumably, Anubis was meant to serve some kind of beneficent purpose
but something went wrong, forcing Overwatch to intervene
the incident seems to have caused severe fallout
it seems to have happened at some point between Retribution and Uprising
full basin
Also Bastet is something that happened in present, not the past right?
devout sable
yep, it's set in the present
after Recall, just like Old Soldiers
I think it's implied to be Christmas too. it shares one of its moments with Reflections
full basin
Retribution was 8 years ago and Uprising was 7 years ago
And Storm's Rising 6 years ago
So when did Overwatch shut down?
desert yacht
found an interaction in storm rising i really liked
full basin
Wait, does Mercy have a voice line saying "Overwatch was shut down for a reason, maybe it should stay that way"?
full basin
So I guess she didn't answer to the recall?
full basin
Oh really?
iron plume
and was only proven right
devout sable
8 years ago – Retribution
7 years ago – Uprising
6 years ago – Storm Rising, Overwatch HQ explosion
5 years ago – Overwatch disbanded
@full basin
desert yacht
Tracer: "What do you think of Sojourn? Change of pace from Reinhardt isn't she?"
Winston: "I feel a little nervous around her, like she might do something terrible to me if I let her down!"
Tracer: "I like her though!"
Sojourn: "Just so you know, the line is open."
Winston: "It's been an honor serving with you all."
Sojourn: "Noted."
worthy rose
Mercy’s thing about it is that she wants to help people but she was feeling that overwatch was moving towards a militaristic direction which she was opposed of
full basin
Omg that funny xD
iron plume
it was militiaristic in the first place
worthy rose
Yea but it was headed to a bunch of different areas
iron plume
but she saw the good it does as worth it
worthy rose
Like it has an environmental branch in ecopoint
So presumably it was branching off in all areas
iron plume
it doesn't just do war but it was militaristic
worthy rose
I do think mercy will eventually join cause they are in desperate need of a medic
iron plume
which mercy was always opposed to
but she saw old overwatch as the best option
and it ended by proving her doubts correct
worthy rose
Now that I think about it
A lot of the characters are pretty busy with their own things
And it almost seems like a quest to recruit them
Like dva has the gwishin which if new overwatch removes from the picture that likely means her recruitment
iron plume
I doubt she joins, certainly not right away
she may help out if someone drags a half dead agent to her doorstep or something
but that's not joining
valid badger
Anywhere to get the whole time line and whole lore in written form?
worthy rose
U can get it from @peak escarp
valid badger
What, just message him? 😂
iron plume
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BFYjC78shFuhpu4Fm0l99qKQznIc7lPouQaikD5YvkY/edit
This is the collection of all canon material
full basin
So Mercy's Valkyrie skin is canon?
full basin
Or her Valkyrie suit is her classic skin?
iron plume
the valkyrie suit is the default skin yes
full basin
Ah ok
peak escarp
oh, I guess Storm Rising solved 2 minor mysteries
identity of the black lady from Ana's picture, and who owned the Lijiang Tower wheelchair
full basin
Is that black lady Sojourn?
peak escarp
she does have some mods then
iron plume
well, less
worthy rose
Yea interactions
peak escarp
iron plume
worthy rose
Sojourn has an interaction with genji where she asked him if he looks at her, does he see a machine or sojourn of which implies that she was heavily modded cause she does not look anything like her original self in the ana picture
iron plume
i was just
that just references her mods
"not looking remotely the same" doesn't mean she looks like that
that's the confirmation
peak escarp
they look similar enough that the differences can be blamed on different artists
but yes
chilly peak
and just by the way, the guy in the bottom-left corner is not Liao ^^
peak escarp
I keep a timeline and a list of all the lore sources
if you need specific info or the source for some info, just ping me
I'm usually online
devout sable
unknown
iron plume
First Strike Liao is a woman
devout sable
full basin
Oh is it?
peak escarp
all we know is that Chu has confirmed that he is not Liao
iron plume
they may still reuse the name for this guy if they bring him in but it will be a different character
devout sable
he's likely the same dude as the one seen in Recall and the cinematic trailer
if he's anything like Sojourn in that regard
chilly peak
I mean, some people think he IS Liao, because many times youtubers used him on their thumbnails, along with huge "LIAO"
full basin
What? Do you think that guy is the same guy as the other 2 mohawk guys?
chilly peak
but those videos were pure next hero speculation
devout sable
it's not certain, but I think so, yeah
peak escarp
if you google Liao, his picture come up
full basin
Those three, in my opinion look nothing alike
iron plume
yeah and if you google junker queen it says she's hero 29
devout sable
neither does Sojourn look anything like herself on that picture
and yet "close enough" is, you know, enough
chilly peak
yup
peak escarp
or possibly the omnic, because wouldn't THAT be a fun twist
devout sable
unlikely bordering on impossible
iron plume
super twist: the girl is the omnic
peak escarp
let's not go crazy
iron plume
okay but wishy time: I'd like Liao to be a hero but not the Liao
make them properly deadified and have the hero be their offspring
devout sable
I did theorize about the possibility of that Talon girl in the Retribution comic being a human-looking omnic
peak escarp
but I can see why First Strike was cancelled - those designs for young Torb and Rein look way different than what we got
iron plume
yeah lol
devout sable
@iron plume that'd work tbh
the Liao thing
it would explain why they're so absent
full basin
Wait, are only certain ppl allowed to share pics in this chat?
devout sable
you need a lore regular role
iron plume
there's a totally serious suggestion about them pinned to the memes channel of a certain server too
full basin
Ah, because I found a picture of Sojourn where she her facial features are very similar to the group picture, only the hair is grey because of age
devout sable
@iron plume that backstory and skillset sound more like Max
iron plume
yeah except max is a coward and would never dare divide by zero
devout sable
would you bet on that
iron plume
yes
peak escarp
if you can't post pictures just upload it somewhere and post the link
full basin
Ok so about Baptiste, he was an orphan in Haiti, and joined the Haiti Coalition after being desperate for survival, and after that joined Talon as a much better place. But then he left Talon as he was doing the exact things that made him an orphan and now Talon is on the hunt to get him back or killed since he has valuable information? Any corrections or additional worthy info? xD
peak escarp
they don't want him back because he has valuable information
they want him back or dead because nobody leaves Talon
and it's the Caribbean Coalition, not the Haiti Coalition
full basin
Oh sorry yes xD
devout sable
I think there was something about him "knowing too much" as well
I don't remember where specifically
full basin
Yeah I think I read something about him having information
But Talon would not let him go. Baptiste knew too much, and they sent operatives after him to silence him.
That's what it says in his Bio on PlayOverwatch.Com
Or Story
And so that's all the lore we have on this character?
worthy rose
Shame we didnt get any interactions
full basin
I already read that ^^
desert yacht
isn't that because he and sombra share the same orphaned by the crisis backstory and she doesn't really feel the need to hold his past against him
worthy rose
I don’t think that’s sombra’s way
desert yacht
baptiste doesn't really hold any power from her pov is what i'm guessing
devout sable
@limpid agate wait, I'm thinking... what if the reason Soldier was in Dorado in the first place is Sombra-related?
it always struck as a weird place for him to be
worthy rose
I think for her it is a sense of kinship with him. Like “you went through something similar like I did and we talked and are friends. I probably don’t have to coerce you to do anything since we are friends so I’ll just leave you be”
muted fog
the short does show young Sombra with Soldier, so it may be possible
desert yacht
not too weird, mexico is very close to arizona
worthy rose
Just because they are from the same city
desert yacht
didn't he steal something from arizona
muted fog
oh well, i guess back to the drawing board with my thoughts
worthy rose
And baptiste seemingly only stayed in cuba
Ur thoughts are very misdirected
Just ask and we’ll tell you if it’s right or wrong
Tho soldier getting info from sombra is all but confirmed given that they’ve been hinting at her giving soldier info
devout sable
just tell us everything you think you know about Overwatch lore
muted fog
Sombra's name is Olivia Colomar, so Alexandra dosn't fit except if she changed her name before she was Sombra
devout sable
dude
worthy rose
No there was no time skip
devout sable
just stop
muted fog
wow
desert yacht
oh for some reason i always thought grand mesa was in arizona, mb
muted fog
you know what?
devout sable
the Hero short takes place in present day
worthy rose
Just ask and tell us ur stuff and we’ll tell i if its right or wrong
devout sable
we deal with a lot of misinformation here
worthy rose
An extreme amount
devout sable
so yeah, we often get a bit tired of spelling out tue obvious on a regular basis
muted fog
where's the doctor when you need him? he has all the info
full basin
It's ok The Illusion, I make a lot of misconceptions as well
desert yacht
they haven't shown you any disrespect, they just want you to stop trying to contradict the lore
muted fog
Supa you're only making it worse
desert yacht
I'm meaning no offense
muted fog
i'll make my own theories, thank you
desert yacht
you can make theories but the lore literally breaks your theory
uhh there's a comic you should look at
full basin
It's okay to make own theories, which is good, but some things are facts and not theories which we will point out if that's the case
muted fog
really?
full basin
Yes
worthy rose
Like if you can’t handle people telling you what is canon lore based on evidence and connections then maybe you shouldn’t be here
full basin
It's called The Searching
devout sable
anyhow, Mercy doesn't actually resurrect people, she had no involvement in Reaper's condition other than her tech being used by Moira, gameplay isn't canon
full basin
Right?
muted fog
let me take a look
worthy rose
Just tell us what you think you know and we will tell you what is actually right and wrong with what you know
devout sable
yeah, it's the same comic we got Sombra's real name from
worthy rose
Or if u have questions about lore we will try our best to answer
devout sable
and Alejandra makes an appearance there
desert yacht
he may have not been in arizona but colorado is still fairly close to the border that soldier crossed
worthy rose
And please
No fan fiction ideas that sombra is soldier’s daughter
Heard that one too many times
full basin
Where do people get that from? XD
worthy rose
Fanfiction ideas they want real which is dumb
full basin
lol
desert yacht
i just realized that zarya has been to hanamura
the ramen shop on the attacker side
worthy rose
Yea she on volskya money
full basin
Fanfiction is what people want, and so not supported by actual lore evidence
desert yacht
so mccree, genji, hanzo, and zarya have all been to hanamura
muted fog
hmm, i'm done reading it over now
worthy rose
There is a bunch other comics
desert yacht
it reveals sombra's real name and makes zarya's hate for omnics less severe
muted fog
i already knew her real name, Doctor six told me that
Zarya values Russia a lot, that is something else
and she certianly respects Katya
worthy rose
Anything u specifically wanna know or confirmed? It’s easiest for ppl to figure out what they dont know when they talk like they think like they know
Respect isn’t the word I’d use
muted fog
alright, what would you use then?
worthy rose
Tolerates. Katya is a false idol figure and if russia wasnt in the middle of the second omnic crisis where people needed a strong figure to rally behind, she’d probably reveal that katya works with omnics. She tolerates katya’s secret but no longer respects her based on the end of the searching comic
muted fog
also, what exactly happened with Lucio, his father, Sym, and Vishkar? i believe that's how you spell it. i know from interactions that they certianly don't like each other, but what exactly caused that?
worthy rose
Lucio’s dad worked for vishkar until an incident. Lucio’s dad developed that sonic tech that lucio used for gameplay and he stole it from them. Vishkar was going to rebuild brazil, that was basically fucked and is in a poor economic state but it was also going to abuse the brazillian citizens which lucio made a sort of revolution and kicked them out
muted fog
ok
worthy rose
We don’t actually know what the incident was or if his dad is even alive
And sym works for vishkar and views them highly while lucio has the opposite viewpoint
muted fog
so, his father developed the tech for the sonic amplifier and he stole it, and used it to build a revolution to drive Vishkar out of Brazil? that's basically what i'm getting
worthy rose
Yea but some caviats
Lucio’s dad made the sonic tech while working for vishkar so legally they owned it and lucio basically stole it from them cause he felt like his dad owns it or was his Dad’s property that he stole back
Whether or not he used the sonic tech in said revolution to kick out vishkar is unknown
rugged carbon
So, wait, I am just reading through here and all, and I do not consider myself very...knowledgeable on the lore but I thought mercy's whole revive thing was an actual thing?
devout sable
nope
muted fog
hmm
devout sable
she doesn't actually bring people back from the dead in the lore
full basin
What revive thing?
rugged carbon
oh oof that makes her not as cool to me now ;-; I enjoyed the idea that she actually would be able to do such.
worthy rose
Some things are just gameplay
somber pilot
nah. just a really competent medical practitioner
worthy rose
Mercy doesn’t actually revive the dead
rugged carbon
Oof.
full basin
But she did save Genji who was on the verge of death right?
rugged carbon
As for reaper, he actually did survive the whole thing and actually became the..wraith like thing he is or is that also just gameplay..?
somber pilot
yes that one's canon
devout sable
he got his abilities from Moira's experiments
worthy rose
He was on the verge of death but not actually dead
rugged carbon
who saved him though?
desert yacht
he never died
worthy rose
Overwatch or blackwatch
devout sable
his state became over time unstable, presumably as a result of the damage he sustained in the HQ explosion
muted fog
well, lucio did what he thought was right, and Sym didn't lke it, so they just don't like each other. well, that answers a lot...
thanks
desert yacht
moira's experiments saved him i'd assume
worthy rose
Like overwatch was working to take down the shimada clan for a long tome
peak escarp
the verge of death isnt the same as dead
worthy rose
Time
muted fog
The doctor is back in session
desert yacht
lucio and sym have never canonically met
worthy rose
So they happened to learn of the strife between hanzo and genji
somber pilot
ah. so he was only mostly dead
worthy rose
And so they basically rescued him
He worked with them to take down the shimada clan as well as other stuff
Who made his body?
No idea
Who saved his life? Probably mercy
desert yacht
sym knows who lucio is and what he did, but it's not canon if lucio knows who sym is or not
devout sable
Morrison survived thanks to SEP enhancements, Reyes survived thanks to SEP enhancements and Moira's modifications
full basin
I would say Symmetra did what she though was right for Rio, but she didn’t which got them kicked out. And of course Vishkar as a whole not only Symmetra
worthy rose
Yea but thats gene stuff
This is actual mechanical stuff
Like building legs and stuff
muted fog
well, lucio hates Vishkar, and so he hates anyone with them, so naturally he came to hate Sym
worthy rose
Robotic parts
muted fog
i guess
worthy rose
I’d believe torb could have helped design the physical parts
desert yacht
i don't think he hates the people in vishkar, he just hates the fact that they're in vishkar
worthy rose
But for the actual medical treatment i’d say mercy since thats her thing
muted fog
hmm
desert yacht
it's not 100% canon whether he knows who sym is or not
worthy rose
Moira idk what she actually does in terms of healing
devout sable
Genji was severely injured as a result of his duel with Hanzo; Overwatch rescued him, Mercy saved his life, and then Blackwatch offered to give him a cybernetic body if he joined
desert yacht
the ingame interactions, from what i've learned from doctor six, are what the characters would probably talk about and how they would act towards eachother if they ever met, but their meeting isn't canon
full basin
Illusion, are you referring to Sym and Lucio’s interaction voice lines ingame?
worthy rose
Probably yea that course of events
muted fog
yes
worthy rose
Okay so that
Voice lines are not always canon
It’s weird
But they’re not and that makes lore significantly harder
desert yacht
lucio and sym have not met, but that's how they'd act towards each other if they did meet
devout sable
voice lines are "what if" scenarios with varying degrees of plausibility
desert yacht
that's the most simple way i can explain that
worthy rose
Like hammond and winston have lines together even though in universe they probably havent seen eachother in literal decades
And probably still havent
desert yacht
i guess you could think of the ingame voicelines as an alternate universe where those characters met up
muted fog
well, it's really confusing in the first place just to figure out what organizations everyone has been in at one time or another, so specifics are even more difficult
worthy rose
The only lines we got that are canon are from archives
Thats the only lines that are truly 100% canon
devout sable
@muted fog I'm basically just as knowledgeable of the lore as @peak escarp, and I think Doctor can confirm 😉
muted fog
well, thanks
worthy rose
I think a fun community thing we can do is a timeline for each character
desert yacht
that's because the archives are simulations of a canon event that actually happened in the universe, unlike the general qp missions that aren't canon
worthy rose
Yea that^
desert yacht
the characters are actually canonically meeting up in those missions
so what they're saying does apply
worthy rose
Tho we havent had a truly lore heavy hero in the main conflict in a long while
muted fog
@worthy rose that would be great for heroes that have been in other orgs such as Blackwatch or Talon
desert yacht
if lucio and symmetra were to ever meet up, they'd probably have a dialogue that resembles those quotes, but that meeting hasn't happened
worthy rose
You could also read the overwatch gamepedia where they have all the information as well as the sources cited
The thing is just fighting the whole misinformation
muted fog
and for me because i don't have time to read through everything
worthy rose
You kinda have to if u want the lore
muted fog
welp
desert yacht
you can use the pins to find all the comics and animated shorts and origin stories
muted fog
guess i'll just keep on asking questions and finding out stuff that way
desert yacht
you could just look at a few lore articles every day
maybe look through 1 or 2 characters' pages on the gamepedia
muted fog
or i could do that
desert yacht
daily
it'd probably be better to start with characters like reaper, soldier, and ana
muted fog
the only one i've looked through is lucio's because i like his character
desert yacht
also genji
devout sable
@muted fog
Overwatch: Ana, Genji, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Reyes, Reinhardt, Soldier, Torbjorn, Tracer, Winston
Blackwatch: Genji, McCree, Moira, Reyes
Talon: Baptiste, Doomfist, Moira, Reaper, Sombra, Widowmaker
worthy rose
We got lore from twitter; interviews; comics; in game news organizations; cinematics; origin stories; and other stuff
Theres a lot
But it is an interesting world once u understand it
muted fog
i'll try to look through when i get a chance
one day, i'll know as much as you guys do
and that will be a great day
i hope
worthy rose
If anything it’ll make u more lore hungry
muted fog
hmm...
worthy rose
And then the waits really get to you
muted fog
maybe i shouldn't read through everything
worthy rose
Cause we literally havent had a comic in a long while
And the only real amount of lore we get are in the cinematics
Which happen like twice a year
devout sable
we still don't know some basic shit about the Omnic Crisis or the Overwatch HQ explosion
after three years
frosty shell
some of that may stay mysterious
muted fog
but i'd still be asking questions so i'm kind of stuck between two evils
devout sable
read the comics and watch the shorts, I guess
devout sable
we can tell you about all the canon couples
muted fog
tracer and emily was easy to figure out, i heard the voice line betwen Lucio and Tracer about hitting the slopes
devout sable
Married:
Torbjorn and Ingrid
Formerly married:
Amelie (Widowmaker) and Gerard
Ana and Sam
Reyes and his spouse
Dating:
Tracer and Emily
Formerly dating:
Jack and Vincent
worthy rose
Dae-hyun got friendzoned hard. I kid but damn i find the jokes funny
muted fog
oh boy, i forgot they recently said Soldier was gay
devout sable
it was a neat detail
muted fog
my friends all think i'm a homophob so they were like "you gonna quit because they said a hero was gay?"
muted fog
of course not
worthy rose
And alone which is sad
half pasture
People seriously overreacted to that
devout sable
yeah, the reactions were insane
worthy rose
I think the ppl are just not happy because they didn’t state it outright at launch and soldier is not the hollywood image of a typical flamboyant gay male
devout sable
I'm hoping that the next LGBTQ rep we get is Genji being bi 😁
muted fog
anyway, i need to get started playing, need to learn fisty boi, see you guys later
worthy rose
I personally hope they dont dive too much into the ships
The world is in crisis damn it
muted fog
i'll be back in like, 2 hours
worthy rose
Fall in love later
half pasture
They really haven't
half pasture
Like the only ship that's not explicitly cannon that has been teased is Genji and mercy
worthy rose
Personally I like it especially now that they’ve characterized her more
An overworking caring human being who is a complete nerd for her field
And her friend
Kawaii ninja desu cyborg man
devout sable
their interaction in the cinematic was so darn cute
worthy rose
Mhmm
worthy rose
Mercy got arm strength
Tho now that they tease it
I gotta chuckle cause like think of this from genji perspective. Like he is on the verge of death coming in and out of consciousness and the first person he sees is an attractive lady with wings. Bro must literally have thought he died and went to heaven
Hope hanzo left genji’s manhood alone
peak escarp
yes, Slignerd is a good substitute
sorry, I'm at work and it got busy
Genji's lower body is intact
peak escarp
yep
frosty shell
tracer and emily could be married we don't know
last inlet
Well they're not
desert hawk
What’s the difference of black watch and talon? Goal wise.
devout sable
Blackwatch aimed to keep the world safe, by any means necessary
Talon aims to profit off criminal activity
and, under Doomfist, to start a war
desert hawk
Ok, got it
gentle token
Could be summed up as Chaotic Good vs Lawful Evil
desert hawk
👌👌
frosty shell
and Blackwatch was part of Overwatch
desert hawk
Yeah, I just didn’t know there goals
midnight shoal
oh boy.
worthy rose
Wait
What was Talon's original founding purpose?
Cause under current doomfist it's something about evolution and conflict and struggle
what were they founded for before?
worthy rose
A talon history would be great
frosty shell
they weren't considered that bad when Baptiste joined we know
fringe blade
Honestly, I find it really infuriating, how every time Jeff tells us there are big things coming for months and years and we just keep following and being lead on
peak escarp
you can leave any time, nobody is forcing you to keep following it
peak escarp
I don't remember many promises, just possibilities that may or may not happen
fringe blade
Jeff says something in an interview or developer update, or something along those lines, and a lot of times, we never get to see it
half pasture
Honestly I just treat it like League of Legends lore, mostly just an excuse for cool shit
That way I don't have expectations for an actual plot
fringe blade
I mean, the lore potential for this game and the plot overall is really good
peak escarp
but Jeff and Blizz have good reasons for being vague
fringe blade
Its not even vague. Jeff says things that are obviously supposed to be a tease, like 'A new social feature' or something
and we never get it
peak escarp
if they say something is coming, but then can't deliver in their expected time frame because of technical issues or the project being more ambitious than anticipated, the community freaks out
half pasture
Because when you get blizzard writing that's more than vagueness you inevitably get shit like D3 or BfA
peak escarp
the community is not very forgiving even if there are good reasons for not making deadlines
fringe blade
Moooooods
half pasture
Really shit creeppasta that
fringe blade
Its not even a good creepypasta lmao
half pasture
Also "you're gonna die unless you repost this" what is this 2005?
fringe blade
rEtweeT 3 tImEs, wRitE tHiS uNDer 10 cOmmEnTs anD lOOk uNDeR yOur PilLow fOr a PriZe
frosty shell
more like 1995 honestly
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
half pasture
so anyway, I had a discussion elsewhere on this I'd I'm interested in this discord's take, but Overwatch is basically a Superhero universe
isn't it
half pasture
I mean Soldier 76 is literally chris metzen's superhero OC
worthy rose
but sure
fringe blade
It's a typical fairy-tale like story about good and evil
worthy rose
why is cap america not allowed in here?
half pasture
I mean he is also cap
worthy rose
sorry sorry
half pasture
but there's Metzen art from like 2000 of 76
peak escarp
oh I see
fringe blade
DF was captured after the faceoff with Winston and Tracer, right?
muted fog
yello
i'm back
so, what should i look over next?
i was thinking going over Reyes's bio
muted fog
then which one would be the best, Doctor?
Soldier maybe?
Ana?
both had high positions in original ow
peak escarp
what are you doing with them?
muted fog
looking them over
peak escarp
for? just to learn about the heroes?
muted fog
yeah, Kaeore recommended to look them over, then go through the comics to get caught up, because i know almost nothing
need to find the links, i believe they are pinned
peak escarp
gotcha
worthy rose
he's a noobie
peak escarp
worthy rose
let him learn
fringe blade
I was curious, what do you guys think about the idea of having a DF as a final boss in Storm Rising? I see that suggestion a ton, but I was curious what that would look like from a lore point of view
peak escarp
there's my lore database - that's everything that is considered canon
muted fog
thanks, i'll go through it
can i just say that there is a huge amount of stuff to go through? there's stuff from like 5 years ago before the game even was out
peak escarp
general rule of thumb though, newer sources will overrule older sources
so if there's a contradiction, trust the newer source
muted fog
i'll keep that in mind
peak escarp
that's why knowing when things are released is important
worthy rose
I'm also sure you could watch the character origin stories and cinematics
there's always those compilations online
half pasture
Like how the picture of Sojourn in the storm rising cinematic is probably the most accurate compared to the picture in recall or Ana's video
peak escarp
well, those are also other time periods
muted fog
i finished up to the second comic
i learned so much from only that
like where the armored lion spray comes from
but i have to go to bed, i got school tomorrow
thanks Doctor for your help
i'll look over a bit everyday till i'm finished looking it all over
night
lean prawn
us: lucio lore pls
michael chu: tracer's favourite football team is manchester united
or whatever
peak escarp
Chelsea
I know it's a meme, but it's a bad meme
Michael was answering a question - it's not like he just randomly shouts out useless Overwatch trivia whenever he feels like it
half pasture
I see more people begging for Zenyatta lore than Lucio lore
though neither has much
halcyon obsidian
DAMN GENJI AND ANGELA GETTING IT ON
bright parcel
Do you have a problem
worthy rose
So how canon is it that zen has been back to nepal? I ask this cause there’s a voiceline where he speaks as if he hasn’t been there in a while but in the new year’s comic he seems to be meditating while genji was writing a letter presumably to angela
cunning ledge
About as canon as Winston going back to the moon or Ana going back to Volskaya Industries
I would assume that the voice line isn’t referring to the same event as Reflections shows, unless he’s literally been there the whole time
This would be a lot easier to answer if Zenyatta had any lore
cunning ledge
He’s been with Zenyatta for Christmas and gone to Shimada Castle (Dragons) at least once
Likely he received the recall signal, which prompted the latter events
full basin
A lot of the Overwatch lore of the characters seems to be about their backstory and how they got to their current state and then always ends with a similar sentence like “And now he/she fight for peace/his people/travels with x etc.” But there hasn’t really been any lore that shows any progress or events further. As I said before, a lot of Overwatch’s lore is mostly about the past and not really an ongoing story that we are following if that makes sense?
worthy rose
No u nailed it
We haven’t really progressed the current events of overwatch much since we follow so many different perspectives
Like the new year’s comic is probably the most current the timeline gets
cunning ledge
The latest main present day event was Reunion
worthy rose
Oh yea forgot about that
devout sable
@worthy rose @cunning ledge aren't Zen and Genji in Nepal in the Reflections comic
worthy rose
Yea thats the panel i was referring to
long ermine
Could be not Chelsea
Crystal Palace, QPR, Chelsea, Millwall
That’s just assuming it’s a London club :p
cunning ledge
Yes that’s why I referenced it twice
unkempt trail
Overwatch's problem is that there is a lot of lore and disconnected events, but no clear plot for what is happening (as far as OW's present goes)
frosty shell
the picture of Sojourn in Recall is the exact same
And given that Sojourn seems to have been equipped with cyber implants, that may explain why she looks so different now
A Genji/Zenyatta comic would be great, it would be a cool moment to see and Zen could get some new lore for once
full basin
Not sure if it's actually anything, but in the Retribution comic, on the first page you can see Gabriel Reyes giving kind of a side eye to the Talon spy who is going to blow the Blackwatch facility up. Was Gabriel Reyes in on this on the start?
worthy rose
no
That was probably Gabriel's gut instinct than actually hinting at anything
could also show Gabriel's closeness with the ppl who work for him
where he knows a lot of them by face and her being an unfamiliar one would probably make him suspicious or think she's a new hire
paper lily
mercy gave genji a killer butt
gentle token
Actually I don't think Mercy was part of his cybernetics and prosthetics. She definitely aided in his health and recovery, but she's not an engineer per se
full basin
And why did Gabriel kill Antonio?
gentle token
My guess is that he didn't want that corrupt of a person running around in the world.
@peak escarp probably knows the real reason
robust viper
It shows why he did it
If they just took him in he would eventually get out
Can’t get out if your dead
worthy rose
@full basin It's highly hinted that Antonio was the Talon leader that directed the destruction of the Blackwatch headquarters that resulted in the death of a bunch of overwatch and blackwatch agents as well as close to killing his close friend Gerard
He killed him because he was also provoked because he knew Antonio was well protected by the Italian government and wasn't going to meet justice for his actions and deeds
wet fractal
i always thought moira was against overwatch, but shes part of overwatch?
last inlet
She's not
wet fractal
but shes a part of blackwatch
last inlet
Technically she was part of Blackwatch, yes
But Overwatch proper, they didn't know that
wet fractal
hm
last inlet
Reyes took her on, I believe Jack didn't like that
wet fractal
ah
last inlet
Or wouldn't have liked that, if he knew
wet fractal
yeah
last inlet
In Retribution, it all came out
wet fractal
i see
last inlet
There might be more explanation in her bio
wet fractal
i was confused, i thought it was saying that they finally knew overwatch existed
but it was talking about blackwatch, correct?
last inlet
Yes
wet fractal
okay
last inlet
It was a black ops group led by Reyes I believe
wet fractal
yeah
last inlet
It was known to Overwatch, but not the world
wet fractal
okay
also, im pretty sure its just for the skin, but was genji more human when he was in blackwatch and less android? or is that just
or is it just the skin
worthy rose
@wet fractal She worked for blackwatch
last inlet
I couldn't say
worthy rose
the covert area of overwatch
wet fractal
ik what blackwatch is
last inlet
Yes, actially
wet fractal
i was just wondering about moira
worthy rose
She worked for them because it gave her leeway to do what she wanted cause again black ops
She's not really against overwatch
last inlet
She received a lifeline in an offer from an unlikely source: Overwatch's covert ops division, Blackwatch. She continued her work in the shadows while developing new weapons and technologies for the organization. Her employment was a closely kept secret, until it was uncovered during inquiries following the Venice incident. Many high-ranking Overwatch officials disavowed all knowledge of her affiliation with them.
worthy rose
just more against people telling her waht she could or could not do
last inlet
From her bio page
wet fractal
mm
last inlet
On the official site
wet fractal
yeah
rich frigate
BAPTISM IS GAY
wet fractal
everyone is gay
last inlet
No it's a Christian sacrament
last inlet
Anyway
worthy rose
but yea she's pretty much just doing her own thing
wet fractal
i see now
last inlet
As for Genji?
worthy rose
what about genji?
worthy rose
it's cybernetic after he got fucked up super hard by his brother
what more is there to say?
wet fractal
cause i cant imagine he would be becoming more android over time unless he had serious injuries
last inlet
But the differences between his BW skin and his regular skin
How he had more human parts showing than now
worthy rose
the regular skin is probably their way of concealing his identity since genji in japan's records and the shimada records is more than likely dead
wet fractal
and yes, im a he
wet fractal
well you know what i mean XD
last inlet
Or ios
last inlet
That'd make him a cyborg
wet fractal
yesh
last inlet
An android is just a man-like robot
wet fractal
yeah yeah XD
worthy rose
cyborg is the human run machine human body
android is the robot run machine human body
last inlet
So Zen is an android, really
worthy rose
he's not a human body tho
wet fractal
anyways, the original question, was he more human when he was a part of blackwatch
last inlet
Regular people omnics are androids
peak escarp
most omnics could be considered androids, yes
worthy rose
cause that was likely the prototype
peak escarp
I don't think they removed any of his human parts after Blackwatch
worthy rose
it was their first attempt at fixing him hence all the notches on the back of his head
peak escarp
just covered them up
last inlet
They never detailed it, but there's no reason to think they replaced more of him
worthy rose
they probably fixed and covered it up later down the line with our ninja man
wet fractal
but he has like a full human arm, but then in his normal skin it has like those things that go in and out
wet fractal
i wish i could send photos
last inlet
Kinda like cylindrical vents
worthy rose
they just covered the arm for aesthetic reasons and to hide his identity from japan cause again he supposed to be dead
and also was transitioning from blackwatch into mainstream overwatch
hence the loss of the blackwatch logo on his chest thing
wet fractal
im talking about his arms and stuff
worthy rose
what about it?
like what about the arm and stuff
he has one human arm
and one robotic arm
and robotic legs
and supposedly his manhood is still his own
wet fractal
as i said before, he has a full arm in blackwatch, but in his normal skin he has same arm on both sides, with the things that come out, and then go in for combat or something
worthy rose
are you asking if he's replaced both his arms?
worthy rose
that's probably just a covering, I'm pretty sure they didn't augment his body further
wet fractal
i mean why would he need that then
wet fractal
okaay
last inlet
We could only speculate really
wet fractal
yeah
last inlet
There's a lot that isn't detailed
wet fractal
ye
worthy rose
last inlet
🤷
wet fractal
see that looks more like a suit
worthy rose
It's a little hard to see but in this one you can kinda tell the color differentiation of when he goes silver and green from red to black
wet fractal
but classic genji, looks more like his actual arms
worthy rose
that his arm is still his arm
last inlet
It's probably armor with more function then
wet fractal
also rien's voice in game doesnt match with the cinematic
last inlet
Just less boisterous
worthy rose
that's cause he thrives in battle
last inlet
Yeah
last inlet
In the movie he's got reason to use his inside voice
wet fractal
yeah thats what im talking about
but hes still in overwatch
its when hes going back in
at the end of the cinamtic
last inlet
He's answering the call, yeah
worthy rose
why are you bringing this up?
he's answering the call but he's still a tired old man
wet fractal
idk, just an observation
last inlet
Stuff is kinda happening, slowly
wet fractal
yeah
i was just commenting on his voice
in game, at what point in time is this rien
worthy rose
Overwatch's gameplay (Skins exempt) is taking place is the modern time frame. It's not rein from the past playing with modern day tracer
I genuinely think you're making this much more difficult for yourself than you actually need to
peak escarp
the most recent event in the lore is Zarya going back to the Russian front at the end of Searching
we don't know when Reunion takes place, but it's probably soon after Recall like Honor and Glory
full basin
So the mission in Retribution was because Antonio had multiple attacks on Overwatch facilities in Oslo?
worthy rose
It was the one massive attack
and also cause he is the enemy
I guess a comparable real life event would be like 9/11
and Reaper knew who was directly responsible and who to blame/go after
peak escarp
there were other attacks before Oslo
their goal was to kill Gerard, who was leading Overwatch's fight against them
wet fractal
hm
peak escarp
eventually they succeeded by going after his wife
regal coyote
@peak escarp is zarya more recent or is the rein's recall more recent
peak escarp
Honor and Glory happens soon after Recall
Searching happens after Orisa is made, which is about a year after Recall
regal coyote
well we know rein MUST AHVE rejoined, buw when did he rejoin?
my guess is that it is not immediately after honor and glory (present day) event, probably he might smell the flower and visit some firends wink wink and what not
at the least he would have to stash or deal with his own equipment trucks
so that might take months before he can rejoin, and we KNOW brig is going to join up one time or another
sicne we KNOW for sure he is gonna to be in action, and assume rein is accepted by winston and crew then brig must be accepted also
peak escarp
he seemed like he was heading back right away
regal coyote
now assume IF torby joins up he would have brought bastion also (i do think we need a more friendly name for bastion, maybe they should call him soemthing else)
peak escarp
Bastion is Bastion's "friendly" name
regal coyote
Wonder if Chu/Jeff is gonna give bastion a name
peak escarp
its original designation is SST Laboratories Siege Automaton E54, “Bastion"
regal coyote
I mean by all means even Jeff agree fans would call hammo Hammond instead, so it is ok if there is a name for Bastion
Yes, but Bastion is like calling your pet Pug ... "hey, Pug!"
peak escarp
"Bastion" is a colloquialism
regal coyote
is is true but strange
or calling your feiand "human"
wonder fi bastion hinmself would have a preference
then again we never heard anyone in lore calling bastion anything
peak escarp
Bastion is its name
peak escarp
regal coyote
Or Tracer
Sure some people dont ahve a hero name and is using their real name
but many have a code name or hero name
Yes, but in this case it is the same as saying "a dog a dog" or "a witch a witch"
they are just saying it is a bastion, as in the type of omnic i it is
peak escarp
regal coyote
youc an say "omg run it is a bulldog, a bulldog" but the bulldog usually have a name, ma or something whatever it is
regal coyote
okie then, i guess in the voiceline's case everyone is calling him bastion too
and guess he is fine with it
peak escarp
in interactions, everyone just calls it Bastion
regal coyote
well what is the last sighting of a bastion unit before THE Bastion? should be Null Sector i guess
peak escarp
seems like it
regal coyote
granted he does not ahve to be really the ast, a bastion unit is rare enough to not get confused
and from a lore point of view we finally get our truly evil omnic it seems, and it is a 9dot
it remains to be seen if Max's sellout deal is a planned move
peak escarp
any more thoughts?
muted fog
well, i now now Widow's real name, and that she possibly killed her own husband
that's nice
but i got to get going soon, i've got baseball practice tonight
thanks again for the database
limpid agate
@regal coyote Did you rename Alexa or Siri?
regal coyote
yes
use anrdoid and i do rename my vocals service
I call mine chippy
dont use apple stuff but heard they dont allow you to rename, sad
cortana sounds nice though cause of master chief
i name most my personal stuff though, like my game amchine ther goes with me day in and out. obviously not naming stuff like disposable cups or stuff of mininal fucntion nor sentimental value
limpid agate
Most people don't.
regal coyote
o.o
most people dont name thing they care for you mean?
never thought of that
but from another view, even if you dont treat bastion as a full "human" he would be at least a pet
and you do give your pet name right?
most people give their dogs and cats name, and nto jsut "dog" or "cat"
and if you trest The Bastin as a full "humanoid" then most omnic have names
be it Max, or Lynx, or whatever
Orisa is a play on her mdoel number so yeah
peak escarp
Bastion is not a pet
regal coyote
then all the more reason to have a unique name, as an individual
peak escarp
Bastion is its unique name
regal coyote
but i guess he choose his name as just "Bastion" and it is fine too
peak escarp
its not like there are other bastions around for it to get confused with
orchid sentinel
is overgrown or classic how bastion looks in the most up to date canon
iron plume
classic, since he was cleaned up by torb
peak escarp
in Binary it looked like the Omnic Crisis skin, but faded
iron plume
he "woke up" overgrown
peak escarp
in the Blizzard World trailer, it had the classic skin
iron plume
but it's still not the exact same
orchid sentinel
i dont understand why hes friendly after he was reactivated
orchid sentinel
i dont like how there can be a young soldier 76 fighting along side a 60 year old ana
worthy rose
Where is that?
peak escarp
the game isn't canon
orchid sentinel
in game theres skins for alot of the original OW members before it was shut down
worthy rose
yes and that doesn't mean they're current
regal coyote
not all skin canon
like the headless pharah skin
if you remove pharah's head i am sure she cannot fly
cunning ledge
hamster pls
hollow plover
oh
wet fractal
Winston is just monkey man
hollow plover
genji is in a relationship with hanzo
wet fractal
Um
supple bear
...
wet fractal
Yeah they’re brothers
supple bear
Shitposting?
wet fractal
They’re related
gentle token
Guys, this channel is about serious lore discussion. Take it to general
hollow plover
ik
wet fractal
Yeah he’s definitely just messing with us
hollow plover
but this is lore
gentle token
No, it's not
hollow plover
predictions
supple bear
No...it’s not
hollow plover
):
gentle token
And I will contact a mod if you continue
wet fractal
Shes a program
hollow plover
thats lore
supple bear
Ok plz stop
gentle token
Change the topic to actual lore please
hollow plover
thats a fake relationship
wet fractal
^
hollow plover
@gentle token wtf is actual lore
wet fractal
Ur just messing around
gentle token
Canon stuff
gentle token
They were never together
wet fractal
Yeah they were
gentle token
It was confirmed by Chu
gentle token
Echo and McCree are also not confirmed to be in any relationship
wet fractal
Cinematic
hollow plover
mccreees in loveeeeee
supple bear
No...he’s not
gentle token
Until it is confirmed, we can't be sure
wet fractal
Can u not
hollow plover
we have to talk about whats happening with winston
wet fractal
There is mothing
gentle token
What about Winston?
hollow plover
thats my point
wet fractal
Can u do this somewhere else
hollow plover
o k
gentle token
@limpid agate sorry to ping but can you please come deal with this
hollow plover
ill do it in #overwatch-serious 😉
wet fractal
Or another server
fringe blade
I wonder, do Hanzo and Genji use sword and bow becacuse it is some sort of tradition in their clan/Japan or is it because of their preference
iron plume
they both originally used the sword
hollow plover
blizzard just got everything wrong
iron plume
Hanzo gave his up after he thought he killed Genji
hollow plover
and japanese are nothing like that
iron plume
and yes the swords are traditional
fringe blade
It's a curious thing, how their clan is in some ways a clan but in some ways a company/organization
hollow plover
have any of u played the yakuza games
iron plume
the leadership stays within the family but they also can get very big
hollow plover
they're dope af
fringe blade
Since it is not exactly a monarchy/tribe in the sense that the leader doesn't have all the power
iron plume
yeah, the, well, power has all the power
fringe blade
They have a board of directors, as far as I remember?
iron plume
it's just that usually no one is stupid enough to go against the family
!!loreonly @hollow plover
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hollow plover
ohok
fringe blade
Because Hanzo was the head of the clan during the killing of Genji, right?
iron plume
if you don't know shit
hollow plover
for personal
iron plume
you don't need to get into every discussion
hollow plover
stuff
iron plume
Hanzo was the leader-to-be, but we don't know if he was in full control yet
fringe blade
His father was the leader before
I mean, if he had total power, couldn't he just excuse Genji?
iron plume
it's possible killing genji was supposed to be his challenge before he'd be accepted
well the thing about monarchies is
and that works in the country ones as well as smaller scale
is that even if the leader is supposedly all-powerful
you really don't want to be the leader who pisses off your powerful higher ups
fringe blade
That's true, but if you look at ancient history, many members of the higher ups/royal family were simply scared of the Pope/King
And didn't doubt his/her control
iron plume
even if Hanzo was already annointed, if the other big wigs wanted Genji killed, Hanzo wouldn't stay there long if he went against that
fringe blade
I mean, that's what makes it not a monarchy. He can be voted out of power.
I mean
He can be killed as well, I guess
iron plume
well for one we're not in the ancient history anymore
and for two even back then there were plenty of examples of leaders who suddenly "fell ill" when they disappointed the others
no one man can truly be all powerful in a big organization unless they are literally physically godlike
even absolute leadership relies on people to enforce it
and the people who are the best at enforcing it are also the people who are most dangerous to the leader if they decide to go against him
fringe blade
Yes, and that is why it mostly worked in ancient times and doesn't work now. People were extremely religious, scared of God and hell, and so followed everything told to them by the church
Its different nowadays
iron plume
it really didn't work as much as you think even in ancient times
wet fractal
Aw damn i missed a good conversation
peak escarp
what does religion have to do with the Shimada clan?
Hanzo was manipulated by the clan elders
peak escarp
it's very easy to be pressured into something when people in a position of authority tell you what to do
wet fractal
true
fringe blade
I think it would be interesting to explore into why Liao didn't answer the recall
It's either that he's dead or that there is something deeper
Being one of the founders, it would seem like part of his honor and duty
to answer it
peak escarp
I think she's dead
limpid agate
We dont know
But given the cover of First Strike, where they were meant to appear
Many think it is a she
!!wiki First_Strike
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fringe blade
I mean, I wouldn't mind if it was a she
limpid agate
These are the two unknown characters
The girl on the left was never seen again.
The omnic was last seen in Sombra Origins, directly tied to the eye conspiracy
fringe blade
I just find it really weird that even though he/she is one of the founders of Overwatch, they didn't react to it at all
limpid agate
Probably dead
No one mentions them in game
They were mentioned exactly once in a news report 3 years ago
fringe blade
I actually find it strange that there are absolutely NO traces of her anywhere
Maybe this is intended?
limpid agate
I blame First Strike
fringe blade
I was actually thinking, what if it is part of a bigger story
Maybe Liao is somehow connected to Sombra, and Sombra is cleaning up all tracks of Liao's existence
It would make sense why there are no news reports and such about her
limpid agate
There was a news report about her in the present day
And people would still talk about her.
She was hailed as a hero that people will remember