Hmmm
#lore-discussion
wicked robin
wicked robin
More zen lore
worthy rose
I'd just take more lore in general
wicked robin
How did zen become a smart and caring leader
worthy rose
?
limpid agate
... What?
fossil karma
he had a spiritual awakening
limpid agate
What.
wicked robin
What’s a paradigm
fossil karma
his alignment
limpid agate
He's still pretty much neutral
fossil karma
but he preaches unity and peace now
limpid agate
He helped Genji find balance with himself.
wicked robin
Was there still world wars in the overwatch universe
worthy rose
It's a continuation and what they hoped would be a brighter outlook of earth's future
so yes
world wars are a thing
wicked robin
Oh okay
limpid agate
Other than the Omnic Crisis?
wicked robin
Yeah cuz the omnic crisis isn’t a world war
limpid agate
If youre exluding it
wicked robin
Not the actual definition
limpid agate
Then not really no
The actual definiiton is a war most of the world is involved in
That was true for the Crisis
wicked robin
A super power is a country
devout sable
I mean, the Omnic Crisis was a global conflict
so
a world war
it's not referred to as such in-universe
but it's practically what it is
wicked robin
Could another memeber of the deadlock gang be a new character
worthy rose
Probably not.
worthy rose
at this point I'm taking it as no one is off the table
peak escarp
although I don't know if they want to have characters that are so heavy on SC references
wicked robin
So I’m guessing Lucio and symmetra hate each other
peak escarp
Lucio
we don't know if they've met
they are on opposite sides and would hate each other on principle
frosty shell
i wonder if Lynx-17 has a gender neutral voice
devout sable
most likely
sudden sequoia
What’s a gender neutral voice? Like Microsoft text to speech?
Or like a prepubescent child’s voice where you really can’t tell
devout sable
a voice that isn't obviously male or female sounding
sudden sequoia
Gotcha
peak escarp
I think it would be hard to find a voice like that
I don't think Lynx is likely to show up again
sudden sequoia
I’m thinking Athena unless she’s only gonna be the match narrator
sudden sequoia
Gotcha thanks for the clarification. I read something about god systems or something that with Athena being one of them is that an actual thing?
peak escarp
no
"god program" only refers to Anubis
(and other programs like Anubis, but we haven't seen any yet)
sudden sequoia
Alright I’ve been out of the game for a few months trying to piece together the lore again and blizz does not make it easy
peak escarp
sudden sequoia
Thanks for the link
sudden sequoia
They need to make a movie already because this whole getting lore in bits and pieces is killing me. Thanks for you help filling in the gaps
peak escarp
considering that Blizzard games tend to have a longevity measured in decades, I think they're drawing out the lore so they don't run out of things to add
sudden sequoia
True especially since there’s multiple hero’s in development at any given time and don’t have set release dates when they go into development makes it harder to tell a story when you don’t know exactly when a character will come into play
peak escarp
(also there are behind the scenes reasons why comics have been delayed, like the comics coordinator quitting apparently)
sudden sequoia
That’s a bummer I liked the comics although I haven’t checked for any new ones since the last one I read
cunning ledge
No comic for the lore event is very sad
sudden sequoia
Yeah super sad been a full year and no new comic
worn solar
peak escarp
"we should just call the omnic Anubis - I'm not saying its the same Anubis, its just a name"
🙄
cunning ledge
Why would you even
Bring that up
I wouldn’t be massively surprised if that dude did have some vaguely mythologically related name though
Soo
Anyone heard any good lines in all heroes storm rising?
I haven’t heard anything beyond basic call outs so far
last inlet
What's this about?
cunning ledge
Why would I want to remember that doomfish exists
peak escarp
I'm sure the Overwatch Interactions YouTube channel will have all the lines up in a week or two
or Hammeh will make a vid
worthy rose
anyone understand what the latest download is?
echo cloud
I was just coming here to ask that
willow nexus
YEET
elfin tinsel
YOTE
reef dagger
I am excited to see Null Sector getting more fleshed out
Because they're were kinda mysterious as of yet. And by mysterious, I mean pretty underdeveloped for a faction that could transform all of King's Row into an omnic crisis-era battlefield
peak escarp
I had assumed they were wiped out after King's Row
worthy rose
Assuming it actually is Null Sector
reef dagger
I can't see him being anything but Null Sector
Doomfist specifically talks to him about how he fights for his own kind, which is Null Sector's expressed goal
And this is the Archives event, which features both terrorist groups, and originally was about Null Sector to begin with.
And, of course, he's got the same eye pattern as the OR-14s.
(and a purple chin)
limpid agate
And, of course, he's got the same eye pattern as the OR-14s.
Not true
I am camp Predator = Null Sector Boss
But that aint right
worthy rose
I'm not against him being null sector; I'm against people claiming he is without enough evidence to back it besides a purple chin
reef dagger
okay, markedly similar
limpid agate
They're the same colour scheme, and Doomfist speech ties in directly with Null Sector's ideals
ocean eagle
repeat after me ok?
limpid agate
As well as Doomfist's goals
worthy rose
I'm too tired and busy working on homework to state the case of my argument again
ocean eagle
caugh TGN caugh
limpid agate
The discussion here is whether or not the Predator is part of Null Sector or not
reef dagger
Not to mention if they're going to re-use the Talon enemies for this event, I can see them re-using the Null Sector enemies for another event.
ocean eagle
there MAY be other Things that could have a bit of backing
worthy rose
when everyone KNEW that mercy fucked up reaper until Moira came along?
ocean eagle
but honestly Null Sector is just THE perfect Answer
limpid agate
On one hand, they have similar colour scheme, and Null Sector's ideals match to Doomfist's goal and speech.
On the other hand, colour scheme on its own is unreliable evidence, Null Sector has no reason we know of to be in Cairo, and the symbol on his hood is not the Null Sector logo.
reef dagger
He's got a symbol on his hood?
limpid agate
when everyone KNEW that mercy fucked up reaper until Moira came along?
Except for every regular of this channel
That was telling people, no, she didnt
For years.
Or rather, a year and a half
Until Moira came along
Hammond would have been your better example
Where there was debate between camp Chimp and camp Not-A-Chimp
median drift
EVERYBODY!! I WANNA MAKE A CONCLUSION
peak escarp
use your indoor voice
ocean eagle
what if this is his indoor voice tho?
median drift
So in the new archives gamemode mercy said to get dinner after its over for genji. And pharah sorta is a bit picky with mercy sometimes.. so does that mean
Mercy's Straight
Pharah is gay
Or
Is mercy bi sexual?
ocean eagle
most characters' sexuality is absolute speculation as of now
it really could be anything
personally
reef dagger
There is literally no romantic subtext between Mercy and Pharah
peak escarp
there is no relationship between Mercy and Pharah
ocean eagle
I don't see them making Pharmercy canon
limpid agate
What does Pharah have to do with anything?
That voiceline is with Genji, not Pharah
How is she relevant?
reef dagger
That's what I'm wondering
ocean eagle
yeah true
peak escarp
Mercy and Genji seem to have something, but we don't know exactly what the nature of that relationship is
reef dagger
Mercy and Genji have been getting a lot of romantic subtext for a while, even Valentine's voice lines
ocean eagle
Mercy feels responsible for Genji
reef dagger
Actually, speaking of Genji, this event makes me wonder...
ocean eagle
since she rebuild him so to speak
limpid agate
Mercy and Genji were teased since Reflections back in 2016.
reef dagger
Genji's got his modern look in this event.
limpid agate
Mercy and Pharah is just a popular fanart thing.
reef dagger
I always assumed that he met Zenyatta and found peace after leaving Blackwatch, but...
limpid agate
They have 0 romantic subtext in game. The closest you have is both fly.
reef dagger
Is Genji still edgy during the events of Storm Rising?
ocean eagle
Storm Rising is basically the Prologue to the Doomfist confrontation in Numbani
limpid agate
Moderately edgy, yes.
median drift
@limpid agate oh.. ._. Never knew it was fanart.. my bad
reef dagger
I see, although Genji hasn't met Zenyatta yet, huh?
worthy rose
It takes more than that to convince me. Red Eyes aren't synonymous with Null Sector and the symbol on his hood wasn't the Null Sector insignia.
I know and people claimed they had the answer for this thing which we now know couldn't have been further from the truth. Null Sector does make a lot of sense and for all intents and purposes I'm not denying that he can't be a part of null sector but the only real evidence people have pointed out is the purple chin and the Doomfist thing.
If you bring about his talk then I'm sure it isn't just kings row omnics that are opressed like that. Most of Europe from what we've seen from Russia, Paris, and the UK, Omnics are treated pretty shittily. However, in a world of a couple million to hundreds of millions of omnics, I can't just say there's only one omnic group. And if we're bringing up details, why are they meeting in Egypt when Null Sector is seemingly based in the UK? That's a long journey just to meet doomfist to hear him out. But I digress
Genji Meets Zen after overwatch shuts down seemingly
limpid agate
Yes, some of those are valid points.
limpid agate
The colour scheme and Doomfist speech are the evidence for
reef dagger
Alright, I guess that makes sense, and I suppose it's not like Genji got his cybernetics finished in Nepal or whatever.
limpid agate
The evidence against is... More questions. Why Egypt, how is this relevant.
That is a fair point
We dont know for certain if Predator is Null Sector or not
But I will believe and speculate he is.
peak escarp
Genji did find Zenyatta and find peace after he left Overwatch
but he had his finalized body when he left
reef dagger
I didn't really think much about the scene being in Egypt. I mean, Doomfist could be anywhere in the world, and I just figured Egypt was a map they already had that allowed them to say "They're definitely not in Havana".
But maybe it's relevant, who knows.
Yeah, I will admit, it would have made more sense for them to be in Numbani, unless there's no high places in Numbani for Doomfist to charismatically look out over.
peak escarp
maybe they didnt want to have to make a Singapore set for a 30 sec scene
reef dagger
Although maybe Doomfist would be arrested on sight if he was in Numbani, I dunno
worthy rose
I bring this up on the grounds that, there could be other oppressed people. Let me throw you a hypothetical background that is equally as valid as null sector because we don't know his background so this is equally as valid as null sector since we know close to next to nothing.
Omnic Crisis happened and everything went to shit. However after it, we saw every country's reaction afterward. Say the omnics who were in Egypt gained sentience and newly free. However Anubis and Egypt as we've seen in the Old soldier's comic and the Bastet short story, it's a pretty crummy place with that guy that Ana was hunting down in her short story. An omnic who gained sentience and proceeded to be treated like shit like the rest of the poor citizens would build sympathy for both omnics and poor humans alike coining that to be his "people". So he becomes a domestic terrorist and attacks the wealthy and people of power who made his life and his people's lives hard. Doomfist catches note of what he's doing and goes to meet him in Anubis. The failures that doomfist is talking about? Failed raids on governments and the wealthy for resources for his people, the fellow omnics and people who were free to waste away and perish.
That was entirely made up with canon information that we do have. Egypt has a poverty issue and we see Hakim have no issue hurting and exploiting it's citizens which as far as I understand, Omnics are literally everywhere in the world. His purple chin? Probably came with him from when he was made; Like how Zen's chin is golden colored or Bars, the omnic in ashe's gang has a black chin and green eyes
worthy rose
Idk what you want me to call it
limpid agate
I'm pretty sure Omnics having a mind of their own predates the crisis.
Just look at Bob.
worthy rose
you think they always had free will even before the first omnic crisis?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
We'll discuss that specific thing later cause that hasn't occured to me until now. Back to my fictional background for our predator omnic person, equally conceivable and explains why Doomfist is in egypt and gives valid reason why he'd want to help while also explaining how he's not part of null sector but similar. I want to be clear, I do not believe this is his back story or anything. I'm just making a point that we've had no actual proof of anything other than he has failed at something before and he wants to help his oppressed people and that he met doomfist in egypt.
Predator is the name Sachivia has given our mysterious omnic dreadlock cord man who met doomfist at the end of Storm Rising
limpid agate
Predator is the nickname I gave to this omnic from the end of Storm Rising
Who I believe looks like the Predator
worthy rose
And to immediately rush and firmly state that he's clearly from null sector isn't a good idea but instead foolish cause it spreads possible misinformation for something that isn't confirmed
limpid agate
Like how Moira was nicknamed Joker for looking like both Jokers to different people.
worthy rose
if his hoodie had the null sector insignia this wouldn't even be a problem
limpid agate
Agreed
The new symbol there is what raises all the questions and speculation
What is that symbol. Is he Null Sector. Is he someone new
Its uncertain
prisma wren
does he have hair or is it just wires and stuff
worthy rose
that's wired
limpid agate
Wires
worthy rose
and cords
made to look like i guess hair
it's like why bob has a mustache
and maximillien with a goatee
just a design standpoint
prisma wren
so is he like one of those omnics that consider themselves human?
worthy rose
what
you mean does he consider himself a person?
with feelings and a soul
or do you mean if he considers himself a human being with flesh and all that jazz
cause person yes
flesh sack no
limpid agate
If he is Null Sector, he would probably consider himself above humans. They were an extremist force that seemed to be more about Omnic Supremacy than Omnic Rights or Equality.
But I dont think any omnic considers themself human
somber pilot
shame
worthy rose
They definitely consider themselves people
limpid agate
Even Winston doesn't identify as a human.
worthy rose
Personhood and Human are not synonymous with eachother and I think are easily misconstrued by people
Like I guess the saying would be
Every human is a person but not every person is a human?
prisma wren
but like there are only 7 omnics that have a personality
tepid abyss
That we know of*
peak escarp
even Waitron has a personality
tepid abyss
Plus half the humans barely have a personality lmao
limpid agate
The only ones that appear hollow are the ones on Oasis. And that's probably just from a lack of voice lines.
"Would you like sparkling or still?"
tepid abyss
Is waitron a specific robot?
limpid agate
Waitron was the name given to the waiter of the restaurant in Retribution in the subtitles.
tepid abyss
That's kinda cool tbh
limpid agate
But it could just be a title, like "Blackwatch Pilot" was just a title
Even though she had a name, Fio
Not sure if its his actual name or not
prisma wren
i would like to see that character get some back story
limpid agate
I dont think that will ever happen
worthy rose
We'd like a lot of characters to have backstory
peak escarp
@limpid agate A lot of servers sound hollow at work
peak escarp
they don't like it when you have a personality on the job
worthy rose
Hmm...
so far Omnics have red lights, blue lights, and green lights for their whatever u call their eye holes that aren't actual eyes
Wonder if there is any actual meaning behind it
probably not but who knows
tepid abyss
I'd guess its preference, maybe they have rgb lights so they can choose
peak escarp
probably just aesthetic
limpid agate
Noteably, all red lights have been antagonists.
peak escarp
Lynx scans Zarya with theirs, so I think they're sensors of some kind
tepid abyss
Orisa can change hers actually I think? During an emote
limpid agate
Orisa appears to change hers though
peak escarp
Orisa was also designed by a child who wanted a friendly guardian
tepid abyss
True, probs a safety mechanism
peak escarp
studies have shown that people like things that have human-like faces
worthy rose
The only green eyed ones I can recall are bob and the omnic sniper she had
that's weird
I would not like a a lamp shade with a human face
tepid abyss
What about sanzang, it scares me tbh
peak escarp
studies have also shown that people recognize faces better than anything else, to the point where people will see faces on ordinary objects
and in text
:3
tepid abyss
Like how you can see a face in owo
worthy rose
I think people just like the ability to recognize intent
or understanding the emotions of others around them
I see someone crying I'm like "You okay?"
I look at my lampshade crying and I'm like horrified and too scared to turn off my lamp
peak escarp
lol
but anyway, my point is that people like things with faces
that's why they keep trying to make humanoid robots
because the non-human robots aren't as friendly/appealing looking
split cave
Don't you think Siri is the devil?
worthy rose
that we know of
limpid agate
Is this something?
I flipped it upside down
It looks familar
Oh nevermind, its just the shape of his face.
peak escarp
it's an odd place to put a logo, for one thing
paper gazelle
if he really is then uprising was probably a talon operation in disguise
sad life man
worthy rose
@limpid agate how can I post an image?
paper gazelle
use link to imgur or any other online picture service whatever it is
i think they removed the permissions
grand bluff
@worthy rose I don't believe you can unless you have vet for embeds or trusted. Just get the link of the img and then paste that, people can click it. Someone may embed it for you if you do.
It's interesting how the logo flipped looks so much like his face though, do you think that was on purpose?
worthy rose
Anyway I translated the screen on the second stage of the rising storm event and I can't make sense out of it
limpid agate
Its just Shakespeare
worthy rose
Really?
worthy rose
someone likes reading Shakespearean romance in that brewery
tho someone plz do check out the event again on the 12th night encase it changes
peak escarp
I doubt it will
fringe blade
I find it so strange, that Blizzard are digging such a huge hole for themselves
Also, btw, is it confirmed that at the time of Havana, Rein was already out of Overwatch?
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
a huge hole?
fringe blade
They are starting to let down a lot of people
And at some point
People will stop believing that they release might/will something good
peak escarp
they haven't let me down yet
fringe blade
It is just that they keep us in suspense, expecting something amazing
And then they give us nothing/close to nothing
peak escarp
I don't feel like they've been building our expectations that high
a bit yes, but nothing world changing
fringe blade
Its not exactly a building expectations sort of thing, its more that after the lore drought, people are expecting a lot
And all we get is scraps
worthy rose
They gave us about what was expected in lore, with a teaser for what's probably a new hero.
limpid agate
Storm Rising was fine for story
It gave how much was expected.
The gameplay being a let down is a different story.
But story wise, it was fine.
Answered one character's identity, and introduced a new mystery to take her place.
As well as giving important implications
worthy rose
wait, whose identity?
fringe blade
Maybe I am strange, but after the long drought of lore, I was expecting much more concrete, evident things
limpid agate
Sojourn
worthy rose
ah
peak escarp
I wouldn't really consider this the end of the drought
limpid agate
We did get some concrete stuff. It was just not explicitly written in bold letters saying "Hey look at this"
peak escarp
we knew this was coming
this is scheduled lore
the drought ends when we get comics again
fringe blade
Yea, I was really hoping for a comic to be honest
Maybe even a short, it has been quite a while
peak escarp
shorts have been on a consistent schedule for the past 3 years
limpid agate
Cinematic Shorts are August/November
peak escarp
I don't expect that to change
fringe blade
I suppose
peak escarp
comics and short stories being released (maybe 1-2 months apart) would signal the end of the drought
limpid agate
Less polished
But still entertaining and providing information
I prefered the Storm Rising intro and outro to Shooting Star.
fringe blade
I respectfully disagree.
I actually enjoyed the change in pace that Shooting Star brought
limpid agate
Both had large writing problems, and introduced new characters and world development, with plots that didn't really end with a meaningful progressive resolution.
fringe blade
That was probably the biggest issue of Shooting Star
peak escarp
Shooting Star introduced new plotlines?
limpid agate
The problem was it was a contained story that had forced character development that wasn't actually character development.
peak escarp
it was a self contained story that didn't relate to the greater world or to other characters
DVa started as a solo character and she ended as a solo character
I enjoyed it for the glimpse at her true personality and the worldbuilding on MEKA and Korea, but that's about it
fringe blade
I dunno, I just find it a neat little short. It doesn't necessarily add anything, but it's nice to see some character background with characters that are commonly overlooked lore wise
peak escarp
DVa's sudden revelation about needing to ask for help was very forced
limpid agate
The character development in the short was forced and badly written. D.Va starts off wanting to do everything herself, and the short ends with her... Doing everything herself, but written with the intention that she is willing to accept other people's help now.
fringe blade
That's ture
peak escarp
maybe if Daehyun had come up with the idea of blowing the core, her asking for help might have actually served a purpose
but Hana had the idea
she didn't really need him
limpid agate
"I need your help"
"Well your core is unstable"
"OH thanks, Ill just blow it up"
She did everything herself anyway. The character development was forced and may as well have not existed.
The world building of MEKA/Gwishin was nice... But the MEKA development was disappointingly short and kept almost entirely in interviews, and the Gwishin threat shown was... Weird in context.
We have been told up until the actual squids showing up, including within the short, that the big threat they are facing is a kaiju
fringe blade
Yes, I actually hope they find a way to develop the MEKA storyline somehow
limpid agate
And the short ends up with D.Va nearly losing a fight against 3 omnics.
The previous short was Reinhardt/Baldering slaughtering Bastions by the dozen.
peak escarp
I'd like them to revisit MEKA, but that's also screentime that is taken away from the main plot
limpid agate
Even with an OR14 killing Balderich, he was still able to destroy a whole battallion on his own
The next short is D.Va destroying 2, then self destructing to destroy the third.
fringe blade
I was also thinking, maybe the reason that they all fight together is that it somehow makes them stronger as a group. D.VA was alone, making her weak
Something like that
limpid agate
If the Gwishin are more powerful than Omnic Crisis omnics
They did a poor job of showing it
Especially considering how easily she dispatches the first two
Oh my bad, there were 5
fringe blade
for some reason, I always thought of the MEKA squad as a knock-off Power Ranger-sort of thing
fringe blade
A bunch of people of a younger age, all fight together to defeat one big monster, team spirit, etc
limpid agate
Like, here's D.Va with 1 gun broken in her mech
And she kills 2 in one swing
The power level of the squids felt like it was a low bar
And then she suddenly loses to the fifth.
The whole short feels like a mess. Dae-Hyun might as well have not existed, he was just a surrogate for exposition and the moral of the story we were only told and didn't see.
fringe blade
I believe it catches her by surprise. It turns around and wraps its tentacles around D.VA
Maybe the tentacles are a weapon of sorts?
We never get to see the tentacles on the first 4
that she defeats
and then when the squid wraps her up in the tentacles, it is quite strong all of a sudden
And honestly, was the city's only line of defense D.VA?
I know they weren't expecting an attack, but still
limpid agate
I didn't like the short when it came out, and I still don't.
That and Hero are the weakest entries, in my eyes.
Shooting Star because so many parts of it feel sloppy.
Hero because its not a Soldier 76 short. Its a short where Soldier 76 shows up for a fight scene and then leaves.
fringe blade
Hero was definitely the weakest one in my opinion
limpid agate
IT has a meaning of inspiring confidence, which I understand
peak escarp
it's a pretty cool fight, but it's just eyecandy
limpid agate
But I don't like it.
peak escarp
we don't learn anything from it
fringe blade
We also get the whole 'Soldier 76 is a dad' vibe from it
peak escarp
a dad who murders people
last inlet
A strict dad, yes
fringe blade
I actually feel really conflicted about the Mei short
hybrid jolt
fringe blade
It provides a ton of lore, and its actually pretty cute altogether, but I just dislike it for really no reason at all
Just something about it rubs me the wrong way
last inlet
THe one thing I don't like about the Mei short is it's basically a movie for what we knew
We knew all that happened
peak escarp
but it happened different than we knew
last inlet
Though the emotional factor was nice
peak escarp
in Mei's bio it says she was found frozen
peak escarp
Rise and Shine showed us that she woke up alone and had to find her own way to leave Antarctica
fringe blade
I just find her cheeriness really creepy for some reason
last inlet
I think that's mostly in the voice
peak escarp
this could be considered a retcon, but the bio was written during the beta
fringe blade
Did she ever make it to Overwatch
peak escarp
yes
fringe blade
Maybe she got trapped somewhere and had to freeze herself to save herself
last inlet
Well we don't know that cryofreeze is canon
peak escarp
I've been here in the Yukon, near Mount Logan, field-testing my new gear. I've recovered from some early "issues" (my arm still hurts from being frozen solid a few days ago… so embarrassing!), and everything is in good working order.
peak escarp
being frozen solid seems to be a result of faulty equipment, not something she does intentionally
as for whether Mei made it back to Overwatch . . .
So I'm starting this journal. Honestly, I'm not sure who's going to want to read this. It was the idea of my colleague, Winston. He thinks that people will find my "unique" perspective interesting. (We'll see if he's right!) At the very least, it'll help me pass the time, and believe me, when you're huddled in a shelter and it's -20° C outside (brrrr!), you have a lot of time to kill. (And 雪球 isn't the greatest conversationalist.)
Winston gave her the idea for the journal, so she had to have at least contacted him
fringe blade
Maybe before she was assigned to Ecopoint Antarctica?
peak escarp
and considering that (according to my best estimates) the recall was sent out in the spring and Mei's journal is from October, she would have plenty of time to go meet him
fringe blade
Does it ever say where they find her frozen?
peak escarp
from Mei's bio page:
But that rescue never came. It was years later when the team's cryogenics chamber was finally discovered. Mei, still in hibernation, was the only survivor.
fringe blade
Hmm
peak escarp
she was found still in hibernation, which isn't what we saw in Rise and Shine
fringe blade
Retcon?
peak escarp
but since Rise and Shine is the more recent source, I consider it to be the correct one
the bio pages were all written during the beta, and Chu did at one point say that he wanted to update them
fringe blade
I actually wonder, this might be a HUUUGE stretch, but what if some sort of weather/technical problems forced her to go back to Eco Antarctica?
last inlet
Yeah, more recent, more planned out
peak escarp
I don't consider it a retcon
peak escarp
why would she go back?
fringe blade
Maybe the weather became too bad or something
I honestly don't know
Like a said, a big stretch
peak escarp
I mean, why would she need to go back?
last inlet
It wouldn't be the best idea to head to the bad weather place
peak escarp
I want more shorts with multiple heroes in them
fringe blade
What a perfect combination of a dope story and kickass action
peak escarp
no more character pieces
the ones with multiple heroes have given us the most information
fringe blade
I actually find it very interesting, how they fit almost an entire movie plot into a 7min short
peak escarp
Recall, Alive, Infiltration, Reunion
fringe blade
It literally told us the life of both Hanzo and Genji
How much lore did Infiltration provide compared to the other shorts
It told us that Sombra was part of talon and a master hacker
That the Russian Omnic situation was bad
peak escarp
it progressed the plot
fringe blade
Eh
valid shell
So you're not saying anything.
fringe blade
I am saying it progressed the plot, but not by much
The only plot that it progressed quite a bit was Sombra
last inlet
Oh
last inlet
Anyway
Progressing the plot even a little is pretty good
For this game anyway. It set up a sequel to look forward to, gave us some interaction between people we know, introduced others and even gave them background
Too bad the thing it led to was just that comic.
peak escarp
also, Infiltration was a continuation of the narrative that was being fed to us through the Sombra ARG
so it was part of the payoff
last inlet
Yeah, the ARG was something. About the only thing bad was the long waits
loooooong wait
fringe blade
Cool idea, bad execution
last inlet
Random Sombra drops of info and lore would be nice. Lil puzzles to lead to tidbits
But I think the ARG and the reception to it might have scared them off
Or maybe it's just all the work that goes into it, ha
icy ether
Yeah lol tbh, I just want to know who the new Omnic is lol
devout sable
some kind of Null Sector leader
worthy rose
I'm not gonna get into this argument again
devout sable
yeah, you shouldn't
worthy rose
Just stop claiming he's nullsector, I'm not ruling out that he isn't but we don't have confirmation of that; If you say it like it's obvious people are going to assume it's the truth and then get more confused if it turns out he isn't null sector
devout sable
he's a purple-colored omnic extremist fighting for omnic liberation
why would that kind of character be introduced without any ties to Null Sector?
devout sable
yes, they are
worthy rose
No; He is a omnic with a purple chin who fights for his people, meeting up with doomfist in Anubis. That is the extent that we know.
This is where the pronoun game is fucking annoying.
gentle token
Then why would he work with a human, Doomfist, and why would Doomfist offer help?
worthy rose
Let me throw you a hypothetical background that is equally as valid as null sector because we don't know his background so this is equally as valid as null sector since we know close to next to nothing.
Omnic Crisis happened and everything went to shit. However after it, we saw every country's reaction afterward. Say the omnics who were in Egypt gained sentience and newly free. However Anubis and Egypt as we've seen in the Old soldier's comic and the Bastet short story, it's a pretty crummy place with that guy that Ana was hunting down in her short story. An omnic who gained sentience and proceeded to be treated like shit like the rest of the poor citizens would build sympathy for both omnics and poor humans alike coining that to be his "people". So he becomes a domestic terrorist and attacks the wealthy and people of power who made his life and his people's lives hard. Doomfist catches note of what he's doing and goes to meet him in Anubis. The failures that doomfist is talking about? Failed raids on governments and the wealthy for resources for his people, the fellow omnics and people who were free to waste away and perish.
I'm not saying this is a background and very likely it probably isn't but this background is equally plausible with the information we know so far.
gentle token
That sounds more likely
devout sable
@gentle token because Doomfist is willing to help them achieve their goals
worthy rose
I'm making a point that until confirmed what he is and who he works for
gentle token
Of eliminating the human race?
He could be Null but saying it as a fact is too soon
worthy rose
just straight up saying "He's null sector, it's so obvious" is going to mislead people if it turns out he's not which we literally have no confirmation
Again
not denying that he's not null sector
but I'd appreciate confirmation because pronoun game is really annoying and leaves a lot of open doors
devout sable
@gentle token the current goal seems to be carving out an omnic nation
not complete extermination
worthy rose
And doomfist wants his help because he stirs up conflict and distrust because of the likely extreme methods mr omnic dreadlock cord man makes. My guess is Doomfist, based on his motivations, wants Mr. Omnic dreadlock cord man to continue stirring up conflict and trouble. Headlines would read "Omnic terrorist" meaning relations around the world would be further strained and another omnic crisis would break out since as of Storm Rising in the timeline, the second omnic crisis hasn't actually started and in Recall the only area seemingly going through an omnic crisis is Russia
devout sable
@worthy rose why would the omnic be purple?
worthy rose
Why would an omnic have a goatee? why would one have a mustashe? why would they have yellow chins or any other color?
why would one have rabbit like ears?
devout sable
why would the omnic be purple if he's not part of the Null Sector?
worthy rose
Because they were designed that way?
Like I feel I have to make this excruciatingly clear
devout sable
I'm talking about the design standpoint
why would Blizzard design an omnic like this, if they didn't intend him to be associated with Null Sector?
worthy rose
I am not ripping into you for believing he's null sector, genuinely it's a good theory and idea. But I'm not ready to accept your claim as fact especially since so many other things are still so unclear to us.
As for your question, I direct you back to the question, Why do omnics have mustaches and goatees?
What if this was an omnic sympathizer who is also oppressed in Egypt who heard tale of his fellow omnic bretheren in Kings Row doing an Uprising and chose to just color his chin in honor of them?
What if this is an omnic who is fighting for the poor omnics in Egypt?
What if his chin is purple because he was just designed that way?
You want a logical reason as to why his chin was purple. I'm not gonna have an answer. What I will have is reasonable hypothesis and theories based on the world that Blizzard gave us and I'll form conclusions from there without jumping the gun and assuming everything until more is proven.
regal coyote
he maybe purple omnic, but maybe not as extreme as null sector
if null ector they might not decide to ally with talon which is a msotly human organizaation
devout sable
I just think it's weird for you to keep pushing back so stubbornly on what's a pretty reasonable assumption
regal coyote
but he is really really powerful yes, more so than any omnic we know for sure (except zenyatta mondetta level stuff)
worthy rose
It is a reasonable assumption, but you're pushing it as if it's canon and fact when we haven't seen confirmation
and thats my issue
If they wanted a full homerun in the whole null sector department, the insignia on the hoodie would be more than enough to prove it to me otherwise. Or any insignia on his person revealed to us
devout sable
did we get a name for him anywhere, by the way?
worthy rose
Them meeting up in Egypt is damn weird since it's very strongly implied that Null Sector was founded in the UK by extremely repressed omnics
regal coyote
unlikely null sector
worthy rose
Nope, Sachavia is calling him predator and I'm calling him Mr. Omnic dreadlock cord man
worthy rose
I think a lot of it is very suspicious. He has a logo on his hood that we've never seen before, he's meeting doomfist in Anubis of all places, and writers love playing the pronoun game to throw ppl off the scent which convinces me that he's something close to null sector but not exactly. Plus if they really wanted to confirm it, just a simple null sector insignia would have been enough.
devout sable
the place is called Cairo
sudden sequoia
Could be a off shoot faction of null sector since a lot of null sector was defeated it could be a faction created with the remnants but technically not null sector
opaque reef
What are you talking about
unkempt trail
Maybe this new omnic is someone who is inspired by whatever values he sees in Null Sector, trying to instigate a revolution of his own. The purple colour might be him paying homage to Null Sector, but doesn't necessarily throw him in the same bin.
Or he is/was some Null Sector superior disgraced after Uprising and still trying to make waves.
At this point maybe we know too little and as such fan theories are just that - fan theories?
Don't expect him to get that fleshed out anyway, hardly anyone is in this universe, sadly :(
worthy rose
Major player is a bit much
wild fable
Do you think they are ever going to progress the story in the present day?
peak escarp
I hope so
backstory is great and all, but there are loose threads in the present that need addressing
wild fable
I find the lore to be fascinating but also frustrating. Blizzard is so slow at bringing out the lore, which is a shame.
I really want to play a mission in the present day. Or at least see through a comic/cinematic what they are doing now that they are getting Overwatch back together.
unkempt trail
Or present an important event in the lore, not a footnote like "Strike force captured the omnic zillionaire haha"
peak escarp
is there supposed to be a similarity?
worthy rose
I dont personally see it
devout sable
I'm just teasing
regal coyote
but yes he the 3rd 9-dot we have
cosmic obsidian
in the last cinematic of Rising Storm
dawn halo
I would really like a backstory to Maxi, like show how he became the businessman the lore is showing out to be.
peak escarp
we don't know who it is yet
cosmic obsidian
because in French Version it's the same voice as Reaper
he has dreadlocks like Reaper
and it's a part of his story
peak escarp
it's not Reaper
Reyes is still part of Overwatch
there is a chance that it's a different Reaper, like how there were multiple Doomfists
but it's not the one we know
peak escarp
why what?
cosmic obsidian
why isn't he the reaper we know
peak escarp
because the person Doomfist was talking to was an omnic, for starters
Reaper is a human, and has a face under his mask
cosmic obsidian
but maybe it's a mask
peak escarp
Jeff Kaplan called him an omnic
chilly peak
why on QP/Comp version of Havana there is Maximilien's crashed car ;_; regular maps are supposed to be in present times
peak escarp
why haven't they fixed the Numbani airport?
chilly peak
well, it happened 1 month ago. It's kinda present compared to 6 years ago;p
peak escarp
maybe the garage owners liked the car and kept it?
chilly peak
🤷
peak escarp
idk, they probably just wanted to keep it in
there are newspapers on the map that mention Null Sector, maybe this map is 6 years ago
chilly peak
yes, this is weird Doctor
worthy rose
I mean it is a world event. I'm sure newspapers all around the world were talking about 9/11 when it happened
peak escarp
but you didn't see 9/11 in newspapers much 6 years later
peak escarp
reminds me of the newspapers on Dorado
and that was used to tease Sombra
so seeing Null Sector mentioned on a new map makes me think they aren't done with Null Sector
also
the crowd on the left page looks like Sombra's Masterpiece emote
regal coyote
wait wait, you saying that omnic was the former reaper?
uneven barn
That can't be, right?
regal coyote
also what is the timeframe for the last bit with doomfist and the 3rd 9dot?
uneven barn
Doomfist wasn't captured yet, so he was in the council of Talon.
Reaper was there too, so that couldn't have been Reaper.
Well, @peak escarp. What you said about multiple Reapers couldn't be.
peak escarp
why not?
uneven barn
Because there aren't multiple Doomfists at the same time.
The student defeats the teacher every time.
peak escarp
when we see Predator, Reyes isn't Reaper yet
so there isn't 2 Reapers at the same time
uneven barn
And that's how Akande becomes the 3rd Doomfist.
gentle token
Reyes is still in blackwatch at the time
uneven barn
But we know Reaper was made by Moira, so he doesn't have to do anything with Moira nor Reaper for so far we know.
peak escarp
The Reaper is an extremely volatile mercenary, a ruthless and remorseless killer responsible for terrorist attacks across the world. He has fought in many armed conflicts in the last decades, showing no loyalty to any cause or organization.
he's been active for decades
but Reyes has only had his wraith powers for about 10 years
uneven barn
Well that's the thing.
peak escarp
a plausible solution is that Reaper is a title
peak escarp
he's described as a shadowy mercenary
if one shadowy mercenary is replaced with a different shadowy mercenary, will the public notice?
uneven barn
Where'd you get that from? That fragment?
uneven barn
Ah ok.
peak escarp
the public knows there were multiple Doomfists because they were very public figures
uneven barn
There weren't multiple at once.
There always was 1.
But in total there were 3.
1 at a time though.
peak escarp
I'm not saying there were multiple Reapers at once
uneven barn
I could believe that the word Reaper actually describes a state of form.
peak escarp
I don't really think this multiple Reapers theory works anyway, I'm just explaining what other people might think
peak escarp
I'm more in favor of Reaper being an urban legend that Reyes adopted as his persona
and this new omnic is something else entirely
lean prawn
whats the possibility of reyes doing is reaper business before he had his wraith powers?
uneven barn
I think that he does the same as Reaper, just in another style and way.
@lean prawn Nothing.
peak escarp
to elaborate on Reaper as an urban legend
uneven barn
He can't do "Reaper Business" without Wraith (Reaper) Powers.
peak escarp
the bio says that Reaper is a mercenary that fights in armed conflicts
uneven barn
This Omnic doesn't seem to me like he does that.
peak escarp
this could just be the public hearing about Blackwatch missions and not knowing who was behind them, so they invent a boogeyman called the Reaper
uneven barn
He more seems to me like Widowmaker, but even stealthier.
night ridge
Did I hear something about a new Lucio short?
uneven barn
It just wasn't activated.
peak escarp
no, I haven't heard anything about that
night ridge
Ok.
lean prawn
pretty sure the lucio leak was for his all stars skin
night ridge
Must've been fake news
uneven barn
Yeah, the only news about him was All-stars.
lean prawn
if anything, they'll probably release lucio-brand hockey skates before we get any cinematics on our frog
:<
night ridge
RIP
uneven barn
But that's not counted as Lore so please discuss somewhere else.
Cinematics. But no AllStars skins.
lean prawn
is lucio on tour right now in the lore or is he fighting in rio
uneven barn
I don't really interest myself in Lúcio's lore.
peak escarp
he's still on tour
uneven barn
But it would be nice to see some more.
But the Omnic doesn't seem like he fights in acitve battles.
lean prawn
if i had to bet i'd probably bet on lucio not getting any lore until the recall phase of the lore is complete
lean prawn
everything in the lore right now is flashbacks and overwatch agents responding to winston's recall, and lucio's lore all takes place in the modern day
peak escarp
we don't know anything about Predator yet
lean prawn
he's not an overwatch agent though
peak escarp
we've just seen his face and heard one sentence and know that he fights for his people
uneven barn
I don't mean the Recall, I mean the...
lean prawn
oh the trailer?
peak escarp
we know as much about Predator as we know about Lucio
lean prawn
we know a bit more about lucio
uneven barn
No...
The...
There is one where at the end everybody of Overwatch is one the roof of WPG.
peak escarp
lean prawn
gameplay != lore but somethings can be inferred since hero playstyles are inspired by lore content
peak escarp
uneven barn
YES
peak escarp
not everyone in this picture is an Overwatch member
uneven barn
There's Lúcio.
peak escarp
it's a trailer for the game
Hanzo and Reaper and Widowmaker and Roadhog are also there
and Zenyatta
and DVa
peak escarp
he was also seen in the trailer the two boys watch in the exhibit during the Cinematic Trailer
which was all about Overwatch
it was made 2 years before the game came out, so it's a little outdated
the We Are Overwatch trailer is also from 2015
it's likely that the story will progress to a point where the younger heroes (DVa, Lucio, Zenyatta) will be brought into Overwatch somehow
but they aren't there yet
worthy rose
Alright lets go through the roster and see which ones are likely to join OW and which ones are likely to remain neutral or join Talon if they should
dawn halo
Former OW agents are more likely to rejoin.
worthy rose
Ana- I don't think she'll be rejoining Overwatch cause she's with soldier on his revenge trip
Ashe- I honestly see Ashe just staying Neutral
Baptiste- I could actually see Baptiste joining Overwatch. He wants to do good and Overwatch and him have the same goals
Brigitte- We already know she joined with Reinhardt with new Overwatch
DVA- Probably will join overwatch once the Gwishin stuff is sorted out
unkempt trail
Wouldn't Ashe keep chasing after McCree?
peak escarp
Confirmed Returning
- Winston
-Tracer - Mei
- Reinhardt
Implied Returning
- Genji
- Torbjorn
unkempt trail
Her bike, for starters :D
worthy rose
McCree left the bike parked out of nowhere
peak escarp
Confirmed Joining
- Brigitte
Implied Joining
- Bastion
unkempt trail
You're right, completely forgot
peak escarp
McCree sent Echo to return, and will probably return later himself
worthy rose
and Ashe doesn't strike me as someone who would go to the ends of the earth to hunt McCree down
more like "you step on my turf and i'll blow your head off your shoulders
Mei and Zenyatta are probably joining but probably not as combatants
Mercy I imagine will say no and remain neutral because she wasn't for Overwatch due to how militarized they were and new Overwatch is nothing but military action of sorts
Junkrat and Road I can't even see Overwatch even allowing them near them
Lucio- ???
I honestly have no idea for Lucio
dawn halo
Kae, you said about D.Va joining once the omnic situation ongoing in Korea is sorted out, would this lead to Dae-hyun joining the group as a non combatant? Or the other pilots too?
worthy rose
I would say that the others would join as well because this I suspect is going to come to an epic battle between Talon and Overwatch
But the others aren't working directly with DVA more than likely to be sent off to other parts of the world to deal with threats there
unkempt trail
Wouldn't Lucio have some conflict building with Symmetra, given his father's /former/ occupation?
Seems like they, along with Hammond, Junk and Hog have their own, self contained and separate stories.
worthy rose
Sym's not in overwatch
And Lucio is a star and revolutionary
but he's also a Star. I can't imagine him joining or like a why they'd even search him out for recruitment
unkempt trail
That's what I mean, their stories might happen in parallel with new Overwatch
worthy rose
possibly but that's assuming Sym joins Overwatch
which I don't know
she means well and is intelligent
but the how she joins is a big mystery
peak escarp
I think it's more likely Sanjay will try to induct her into Talon
dawn halo
However, what would each member joining, what brings them to OW?
peak escarp
maybe unknowingly, maybe he'll find a way to justify it
dawn halo
We do need to assess it.
worthy rose
I thought she knew of Talon and won't join it
I honestly would say like
to fill in the vaccum/void Overwatch closing left behind
"The world could always use more heroes"
unkempt trail
Given Symmetra's remarks toward Doomfist, I'd say she doesn't really view Talon highly
worthy rose
Just because you deal with robot godzilla doesn't mean you're done being a hero
Tho honestly
I do expect one of the Meka members to be shady
just for story reasons
Hanzo probably will join Overwatch after he searches Genji out once more and comes to peace with himself
dawn halo
Winston has genius intellect and impressive strength. Great as a supporting agent and a combatant.
worthy rose
Moira I expect to remain neutral or leave Talon as soon as they can't give her what she wants
Sombra I expect to be playing both sides
dawn halo
We need to assess the benefits OW would have with characters that are likely to join.
unkempt trail
Doesn't Hanzo seem more compelling as an anti-hero of sorts?
worthy rose
yea but an anti-hero is still a hero
Yea but that's funding
Later down the line when and if they get recruited
unkempt trail
Would take a lot of character-building to make him have a change of heart and just shimmy over to OW
worthy rose
funds are going to start going towards the effort andcause to combat them
dawn halo
However, once Bap is in Overwatch, they could use it to try and pull Sombra away from Talon.
worthy rose
I don't think so Dres
dawn halo
I said try.
worthy rose
Mainly cause Sombra doesn't strike me as someone who takes a side and more on her own side
Baptiste would probably talk to her and she'll feed him some information cause she's playing chess with everyone
dawn halo
Nevertheless, having Bap on OW would give them some benefits with Sombra playing chess with everyone, while also being a downside at times.
unkempt trail
Wouldn't Baptiste be extra wary of manipulative people? I mean you don't just leave Talon because they didn't serve sandwiches at the cafeteria
worthy rose
she and him are friends
dawn halo
Also his skills as a hardened combat medic basically can act as a substitute for Mercy since she won't be coming back.
worthy rose
she keeps in touch on occasion i believe
unkempt trail
She does that with everyone
Still not basis enough for him to drop his guard like that
worthy rose
no he's literally her only friend
unkempt trail
Yeah but he's rogue military, he'd be wary still
dawn halo
And I'm starting to imagine the massive grocery costs for feeding a lot of mouths.
Because we haven't seen rations being used. However I assume OW has used them.
worthy rose
that might be where lucio comes in?
world star and massive celebrity
probably has money and probably has a positive view point on OW
Not to mention various countries are fine with OW so I imagine some illegal sanctioning and funding
peak escarp
Tracer still lives at home/with Emily
worthy rose
truth be told i'd love a cinematic about lucio about him being swept away by celebrity and start status and lost touch and finds it again by helping tracer and winston
peak escarp
there's no reason everyone would have to live at the base
dawn halo
However, given enough missions, people could blur the difference between Lena Oxton and Tracer and she'll be targeted by the press.
gentle token
I want to see a Lucio short about his views on Vishkar and his struggles with them
worthy rose
A thought just occurred to me
Winston is on Camera in the Museum in America
so like...
how many other talking gorillas are in the world because I genuinely think someone from the UN is probably gonna come knocking on his door to try and arrest him?
dawn halo
Where did you get this?
worthy rose
There's a shot on the camera were Tracer and Widow were fighting
gentle token
Most gorillas like Winston are on the moon I believe and I'm sure the government knows about Horizon
dawn halo
And relating to Tracer, given enough missions, her residence and Emily may be targeted by the government and possibly Talon assassins.
worthy rose
would they like
consider that Overwatch activity?
or would Winston just saying "Strolling through the museum when those ruffians came and I couldn't just do nothing."
unkempt trail
That would probably fall under vigilantism and endangering civilians
But doesn't the Christmas comic with Tracer happen after that particular cinematic?
dawn halo
That's why I believe Doctor's stating of no reason for living on a base is going to degrade in the long term. People are going to find out where each individual agent lives and bombard them with things.
It might even threaten other people due to their connections with them.
worthy rose
I hope they do actually talk about travel in the Overwatch Universe because they really gotta explain how junkrat and roadhog made a world wide trip and were never caught by police because as far as I understand they only have explosives and a hook and for the most part are normal humans
unkempt trail
If so, I think it's safe to say they're pretty okay all things considered. Might be the case that they still have supporters in the UN and they're willing to cover it up
dawn halo
And that might have them live on a secret base for protection of themselves and the people they are around.
dawn halo
The U.N would repeal the Petras Act.
worthy rose
they'll be able to operate legally again but under a more watchful supervision and no black ops unit
Like Tracer saving a numani leader's life
dawn halo
Or destroying the ECS omnium, relieving Korea from constant attack.
worthy rose
little things like that would bring them back to popularity and with Zen, being basically like the ghandi of this world, probably backing them up, I think they'll be back
That I'm not sure if they're even capable of doing
The original strike team couldn't do it
so like what goes on now
worthy rose
Wasn't that cause they blew it up without shutting it down and dismantling it?
limpid agate
When were we told the other omniums were dismantled
worthy rose
They were at the very least shut down or I assume rid of their bastion unit programming things
worthy rose
Wasn't that the point of the original strike team? To shut down the omnium?
worthy rose
via destruction and or shutting it down
limpid agate
Yes, to shut down.
dawn halo
I think most omniums were shut down, then dismantled to where they could not manufacture omnics again.
unkempt trail
Did I do something wrong? My message was deleted
limpid agate
If that were the case, Russia wouldn't have a second omnic crisis @dawn halo
dawn halo
However, it didn't happen to every omnium.
limpid agate
@unkempt trail Thanos is banned. Avergers spoilers season and all
dawn halo
Like the Russian one, it was shut down, but not dismantled afterwards.
unkempt trail
I see, all I did was mention the name
worthy rose
Hmm
limpid agate
The Russians is the one that would have been dismantled, if any
dawn halo
However, how was it able to reactivate?
limpid agate
That's a mystery in universe too
worthy rose
So every Omnium is up technically but we currently don't know which ones are running besides presumably the russian one?
dawn halo
I'm thinking civilian grade omniums are those that are run presently.
limpid agate
I think, I'll double check
worthy rose
I thought Efi made the OR15's
limpid agate
Efi made Orisa
She was inspired by the OR15s
For more info on Efi, read Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
dawn halo
The military/Omnic Crisis grade omniums were shut down, dismantled, and /or reconfigured for civilian grade omnics.
limpid agate
Originally put into service before the Omnic Crisis, the OR14 "Idina" line of security robots was built in Nigeria's massive manufacturing omnium. After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. Twenty years later, Numbani revived and recommissioned the OR14 program to protect the city from external threats. These new OR15s were deployed for a short time before they were destroyed in an attack by Doomfist.
That is in Orisa's bio
worthy rose
okay gotcha
limpid agate
Omniums still exist. They were not destroyed.
dawn halo
Only the Australian omnium was confirmed to have been destroyed.
If omniums can build omnic aircraft, could they manufacture omnic tanks if given the resources.
dawn halo
It's basically an RDD on steriods.
Unless there was an explosion, which it could have been a high grade atomic bomb bordering on hydrogen bomb.
worthy rose
I really would like to meet someone from the Omnica corporation
unless they're all dead
which is like a yikes
dawn halo
There could still be people who may have been high up in the corporation still alive.
Probably in their 80s or higher.
unkempt trail
Maybe they downloaded their consciousnesses into some kind of network?
worthy rose
i dont think we have that technology
unkempt trail
In the far sci-fi future?
peak escarp
they know the fight at the museum was Overwatch activity
the news reported it as such
worthy rose
what would be considered overwatch activity?
unkempt trail
Actually, just recently I read an article about being pretty close to merging brainpower with the "cloud"
worthy rose
like would Tracer trying to stopping WidowMaker be considered overwatch activity?
peak escarp
In the past few weeks, investigators confirmed that a number of violent incidents across the world, including Monday's attempted museum heist, have involved several notable former Overwatch operatives.
worthy rose
until we see it, which I think we would have in the overwatch universe cause then people would be going "are you an omnic or a man with a robot body?"
unkempt trail
So I don't think a fictional future universe wouldn't have something like that
worthy rose
I'm going to consider it not a thing
peak escarp
putting someone's consciousness into a robot body is a pretty extreme sci-fi concept
one that has to be seen/proven to be accepted
worthy rose
I'm very like skeptical
unkempt trail
Not necessarily a robot body, a network or an interface
It's not that exotic, it's been done a few times
worthy rose
cause they shut down Moira and disgraced her for her own thing
peak escarp
but it hasn't been done in Overwatch
worthy rose
And I would argue this is equally if not more immoral
peak escarp
so until it does, it's safe to assume it can't happen
unkempt trail
Fair enough
limpid agate
Why is Max's limo still in playable Havana
peak escarp
why do the newspapers mention Null Sector 6 years later?
limpid agate
Where are they
limpid agate
Where
peak escarp
all over the map
there's some outside the first attacker's spawn, a few in alleys around the map
less towards the end of the map
dapper shuttle
So what is happening with Storm Rising, do we unlock more voicelines the more we play like last year or not? I keep finding voicelines I never heard in Storm Rising in the game files
peak escarp
yes, more unlock the more you play