#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 421

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 2:56 AM

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assassins arent that big of a threat honestly

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Diving healers is a huge part of it

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 2:56 AM

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i mean like it depends

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Personally I think Mercy as a playable character is boring; Lore wise I understand why she's there

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 2:57 AM

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They're a threat, their just tedious and take forever to kill

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 2:57 AM

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do you make it part of the common enemy archetype like enforcers

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or do you make it an actual special

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 2:57 AM

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but my god is it a rush to see who doesn't play mercy

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Like a special

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 2:57 AM

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if ur soloing anyway

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 2:57 AM

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A special you want to dive on

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Because of the event layout here

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i only want to dive on 2-3 of the 8 snipers

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Genji sniping them back is optimal

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No need to dive

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Cant dive assassins

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Cant dive enforcers

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Cant dive heavies obviously

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In Retribution, multiple heroes were good for dealing with specials

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Here its just Genji, with Tracer damaging the heavy

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Genji and Tracer damaging heavy while its kind of dependent on the Winston to tank

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Winston is an awful tank.

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Its possible to do it, is just so long and tedious for this team comp

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:01 AM

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thats why you kinda have to hope for winston to get pocketed with primal

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your best shot honestly

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Reyes/McCree need to work for their kill.

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Tracer needs to work twice as hard to do the same job

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The story was fine though

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:02 AM

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The story was fine but I felt like it had less of a atmosphere than Retribution

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Chase the Truth was a meaningless slogan

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:03 AM

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youre chasing Max but like

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it doesnt feel like your chasing him

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 3:03 AM

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And we didnt get truth either

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We got an introduction

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Truth be told

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Stationary shield units would have done it.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Quote unquote

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:03 AM

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I'm surprised like

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how fast he actually made it on foot

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Diving would have been amazing

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like my god can that omnic run

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:03 AM

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I mean given that it takes like 2-3 minutes for each section

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if he walks the normal speed of any hero

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he can reach the fort in like 2 mins

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less

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:04 AM

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he crashes out of the limo and booked it to the brewery

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set up so the brewery locks them in

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:04 AM

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yeah well we took like

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a minute in the brewery

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:04 AM

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I wonder if a talon minion was like

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"we're doing this... for Maxi?!"

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Get's chucked by winston

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"I don't even like him!" Willhelm scream

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I think the story serves as a good introduction but for like the lack of comics and shorts this year was very low compared to the other years

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I think everyone wouldnt hate Storm Rising as much if they didnt have a all time low of that

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:06 AM

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or the other events sucking

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they would still be mad/disappointed

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just not as much

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:07 AM

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its hard to put more and more modes asevents go on

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I was under the impression of the other events not changing was because they were busy and were gonna put a lot of effort into the event

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:07 AM

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eventually theyll run out of mode ideas

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but each event doenst really feel like a event its more like a

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skin pack

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:07 AM

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it's a havana trailer

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this event tells us next to nothing

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:08 AM

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wait

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when was Masquerade?

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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about a year after Recall

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also, I'm like 4 hours late, but the Valentine's/chocolates lines were not un-implemented

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they do play in the live game, just only under certain circumstances

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:35 AM

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lol

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 3:36 AM

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so who's cesario

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:37 AM

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look up Twelfth Night

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 3:40 AM

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any point in including a Shakespearean on one of the computer monitors then

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Max likes to read Shakespeare?

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he seems like the type

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 3:42 AM

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did you guys datamine havana?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:49 AM

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not really

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there's a computer in the brewery

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that had lines of spanish

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initially i thought they were secret messages to something

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turns out it's just old shakespearean romance

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who knows maybe we will get something on the twelth night of the event

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:50 AM

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that's a little too deep for Blizzard

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Is it just me, or does Mercy look... weird?

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sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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she looks like a borderlands char from that screenshot

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it may just be the eyes thats all

fringe blade Apr 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Isn't that character from the cinematic at the end Anubis?

sterile zodiac Apr 17, 2019, 3:57 AM

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i dont think his name is Anubis

fringe blade Apr 17, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Anubis is some sort of God AI who started the Uprising, and then sealed in Temple of Anubis

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Correct me if I am wrong

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I think it was mentioned in a comic

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 4:00 AM

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You are wrong

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Anubis did not start the Uprising

fringe blade Apr 17, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Wasn't he involved?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 4:01 AM

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No

fringe blade Apr 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I remember that he apparently broke out by taking control of some omnics and breaching the protocols of Helix

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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That was Nul Sector

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Yeah, that was Pharah's comic

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Which was present day

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Uprising was 7 years ago in London

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Anubis has only been known to operate in Egypt

fringe blade Apr 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Sorry, I mean the Omnic Crisis

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Not the Uprising

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My bad

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Also no

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What started the crisis is a mystery

fringe blade Apr 17, 2019, 4:03 AM

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A ton of people think that this new mystero character will be a hero

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I hope not

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Anubis also might not have existed during the crisis

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It was mentioned earliest as part of an Anubis Project.

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Which Overwatch shut down

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Implied to be about 8 years ago

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If that shutting down is the same as the "Cairo Incident" mentioned in Uprising

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 4:38 AM

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A new character

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Some believe he may be the leader of Null Sector

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Based on both having similar colour schemes, and him being the leader of Null Sector ties into what Doomfist is talking about

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But it is unconfirmed

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Yeah, the cut they used really doesn't work for unknown characters

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The suspense reveal works when you know who is being revealed

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:01 AM

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bruh when they gonna start making lore more common

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about 1 billion plot threads, but no arcs, and no consistent delivery method

hasty surge Apr 17, 2019, 5:03 AM

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You can try being a bilzzard writer

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:05 AM

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I'd love it but, seriously

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It's just such a shame

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Would be nice

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But you get what you pay for

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:06 AM

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What do you mean?

oak axle Apr 17, 2019, 5:07 AM

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I don't think this on ic is the leader of null sector, just because he has a purple jaw doesn't mean he could be affliated with the group

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Omnic*

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:08 AM

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I mean, when was the last time you paid for lore. There is no incentive for them to make it more common if it doesnt have any revenue

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@oak axle I agree that its not 100%

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:08 AM

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They don't sell lore

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:08 AM

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But it is the most popular speculation I agree with.

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Yes, that is correct, they do not sell lore.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Do you think there's just some shop outside Blizzard HQ that says 'Lore $5'

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:08 AM

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There isnt

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You can buy the comics anthology on Amazon

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Of the first 12 comics

oak axle Apr 17, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Alright then I wonder if he played a part in the causing of the omnic crisis

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Or the Art Book, which is an art book.

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But there is no monetized lore.

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In the crisis? Maybe not.

oak axle Apr 17, 2019, 5:10 AM

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The cause of the omnic crisis is still a mystery today

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:10 AM

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A lot of what he was talking about a noble cause doomed to fail (Omnic Supremacy) reminded me of Null Sector more than the Omnic Crisis. But I feel, no matter who he is, he will have a major role in Doomfist's war

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I don't understand your point. So blizzard doesn't Sell lore, so we just have to accept inconsistent releases of lore?

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I got to disagree if that's the argument.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:10 AM

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They do not monetize lore, so they do not have any incentive to release it faster

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If they wanted to release more lore

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They would charge for it

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But they have shown that either they dont want to, or the comic anthology was a financial flop

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So your choices are:

The current slow rate
A faster rate that costs money

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Not exactly

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:11 AM

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What is the third option

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Well, neither of those options are really correct. You've ground it down to such a simple degree. It's not just about money.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:12 AM

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Not only, but money is a big factor

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Arguably the most important

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:13 AM

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If we dumped 25 million dollars into the overwatch team, that doesn't mean they'd go faster, or do better

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And not having the cash doesn't always deter them

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:13 AM

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See, youre looking at it wrong

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:13 AM

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How so

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:13 AM

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You are looking at it as an investment. I will give you $25 million dollars, and you will make lore

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They have the money, thats not the problem

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The problem is: Making money directly from the lore.

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It costs money to produce, and it makes nothing.

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It is a net loss.

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At best, it works as a marketing expense

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Which you see from the shorts, or the lore before maps/heroes/archives.

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Or Archives itself

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The lore is the device used to sell lootboxes.

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For this event.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:15 AM

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That's a fairly cynical view, and I still disagree, and not simply because it's grim

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:16 AM

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If you want more lore, you should be prepared to pay for it. Whether it is a paid expansion pack, a book, a paid comic series, etc.

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Rather than something free like what they have been putting out so far.

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But then the problem comes in how do you make money off that, which is worth the effort. And then comes the humanitarian part of, how do you make people who dont pay not feel excluded.

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Blizzard is a business first and foremost. If they wanted to make a third short beyond the Gamescom/Blizzcon shorts, they would need a reason to.

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Archives is arguably that reason

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If you count what we got as a short (full thing in pins)

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But that, again, falls under marketing

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And you cant rely on that as a catchall forever

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:18 AM

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You've sucked out all the nuance, and that basically makes your point faulty

oak axle Apr 17, 2019, 5:18 AM

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widowfacepalm

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Care to elaborate?

oak axle Apr 17, 2019, 5:19 AM

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He's makes a valid point @potent mist

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Blizzard is a company, and they do obviously need to look at a financial side of things, but this is Blizzard... Financial failure is something they've never been unwilling to swallow.

And secondly, the most important part, to make this lore doesn't actually require $20 million. You can implement lore in small ways, which are fairly cheap, and big ways, which can be expensive or cheap depending on what you're actually doing.

So the idea that the OW team is sitting around in a room wanting to make lore and they're just saying "Meh, no money to be made here, not worth the time and energy" is just something I disagree with

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:24 AM

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You can implement lore in small ways, which are fairly cheap, and big ways, which can be expensive or cheap depending on what you're actually doing.
While I agree that there are cheap things like news reports they can make

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It comes to the other side of the same coin

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If you say something is small and insignificant, so it can be done.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:24 AM

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They obviously want to, and they obviously can, they just seem unable to do it efficiently

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:24 AM

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You can say the exact opposite. It is small and insignificant, so it can be ignored.

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The other thing is.

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Like, for example

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What do you want

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Bruh ya, maybe you can say it's pointless

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but I don't think Blizzard is that shit

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where they just go 'meeeeeh fuck it we're good with mediocrity'

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Blizzard today isnt the same Blizzard 2 years ago

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:25 AM

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That's what everyone claims

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:26 AM

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It shows in their releases and their change in management.

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But, as I said, what is it that you want?

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A comic? A short? Just a news report?

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Because the followup question is... What incentive does Blizzard have to put money into creating that.

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Having the money isnt the problem

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Its distributing it, what they use it on

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And some things are deemed more worthy of the budget than others

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They have their cinematics team working on 2-3 shorts for Overwatch every year (if this was the same team that makes things like Shooting Star and Reunion)

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They hire artists for the hero origin shorts

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So what is there to gain from putting more money into this department?

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:28 AM

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What I want is a consistent release schedule of lore, in any form they feel is needed to tell a good story

And it's not expensive so I don't see how that's an issues. Maybe if they made cinematics every time, or had to design entire events, but you can just write stuff and release it

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:28 AM

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If you want consistency, we have a semblance of consistency

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Well, you know what I mean

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one event every 2 decades is 'consistent'. I mean somewhat timely

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Jan - Map
Feb - Hero teasers
Mar - Hero release
Apr - Archives
May/June -Map(s if you include arcade)
July - Hero
August - Short
September - Map
October -
November - Short
December -

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Is it slow? Yes

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Is it consistent? Relatively

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Hell, I would pay like, $6.99 for each Archives event if it meant it would be good

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:31 AM

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And minus the shorts, and to some extent including them, those do not tell an actual story

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:31 AM

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If it would be good, agreed.

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The problem of the story is different

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You are now arguing quality instead of quantity

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Well, they're two deperate issues, I just have problems with both, but they're related issues

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:32 AM

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With what we have, I'd say Uprising/Retribution are worth the $5 USD

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They are related

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But they are two different things

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More quality doesnt mean more quantity, and vice versa

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Like, if every Archives event was the equivalent of Minerva's Den or something in storytelling quality, I'd be happy to pay a DLC price every year.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:33 AM

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This has been the cycle from the start of OW. Give some lore, explain nothing, resolve nothing, expand, forget, etc

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Yeah, Bioshock has good expansions.

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That's the other problem. They do continue story lines... Just not in ways anyone asked for

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For example.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:33 AM

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So quantity is needed to solve these issues in an orderly fashion (like before we all die of old age) and quality is needed to make sure the stuff we get is worth it

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:33 AM

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I would also say Artorias of the Abyss or Old Hunters, but that's way way too big for OW.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Infiltration ended with the Zarya stinger... Then we got Searching.
Recall set up the main plot of the game... Which has been answered individually by everyone Recalled over time rather than leading to a grand event

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Old Soldiers had Jack Ana team up... Bastet was just them finishing the mission Ana started

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They do make an attempt to continue story threads

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If its a good attempt is a different discussion

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:35 AM

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They rarely do

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they love to start plots

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and never finish nor expand on them to any detail

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:35 AM

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The high point of the story was Masquerade.

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Can't wait for this plot with the new Omnic dude to get resolved in a 7 page comic by an underpaid artist with unclear fight scenes and bad dialogue that contradicts established lore.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:35 AM

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In my opinion.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:36 AM

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tbh, if you want to be real cynical, you can argue that OW isn't mean tot have a story, and just have a colored face to sell the characters and to sell you lootboxes and get your money only

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Right now my expectation is, this guy will be reintroduced next Archives, and we will just fight off Null Sector again

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But its not any new enemies

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Its the same ones we already fought

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Yup.

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And since DF is chatting him up, it will just be Null Sector Omnics and Talon goons.

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Man, Retribution was so good.

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This feels so bad.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Blizzard's quality is still there, somewhere

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Its not just the lack of new stuff in the gameplay that sucks

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Or it being short

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The enemies just dont work with the team comp

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Like, if you play legendary

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It is as long as the other two

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Because the team isnt suited to fight heavies or assassins with health pools that large

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Its only not short on legendary, and not for a good reason

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:39 AM

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I'd guess due to it being a PVP oriented game, it's hard to transition to a good PVE arena. So to make it harder they just bullet sponge

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:39 AM

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It just straight up doesnt work as intended

hasty surge Apr 17, 2019, 5:40 AM

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This is an interesting read
Pls continue

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:40 AM

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about what, yo

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Because they've backed themselves into a corner with so little lore and canonical hero cooperation that their pool of 4-man teams to pull from is so shallow that, three Archives down, they're already repeating heroes.

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This is the second time we've gotten Tracer, Genji, and Mercy.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Not only that. If they wanted a team of Overwatch heroes

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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tfw they still haven't used soldier

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Their other options are, Soldier 76 using Mercy's tech, and Ana being shoehorned into testing Mercy's rifle.

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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They can't really use Soldier and Ana atm.

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Since their kits wouldn't make sense.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Ana cant be used unless they really stretch things.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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they could always make an event based on something NOT archived

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:41 AM

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And Soldier shouldnt have anything he has yet

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They could do an archived mission of Talon against Overwatch

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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not sure why they HAVE to do something that'd past/archived

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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But that would require creating new Overwatch enemy types

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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That's what I expected them to do.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Like

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Which they apparently dont want to do

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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they have talon operatives

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I was positive it was going to be Doomfist, Sombra, Widowmaker, and Baptiste vs. Overwatch.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Same

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Which would still be an OW Archives.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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maybe make an event where genji and zenyatta meet up with hanzo and they fight talon out of hanamura

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idk

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:42 AM

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The other option is present day Overwatch... Which if they dont want to repeat heroes, still needs another hero to be recalled

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Or its just Bastion/Brig/Mei/Repeat

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:43 AM

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They can't even pull from events outside OW, because there's pretty much nothing.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:43 AM

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thats why they gotta write lore

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:43 AM

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There's Sombra, McCree, and the Junkers in Castillo, and that's about it.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Ashe, Hanzo, Junkrat, Roadhog, and Symmetra are all detatched antagonists.

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That have no reason to team up with anyone else (aside from Junkrat/Roadhog obviously)

hasty surge Apr 17, 2019, 5:44 AM

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But I would like argue one thing that was said (lore doesn't bring in money) it kinda does, but it's inconspicuous.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Hanzo is connected to genji tho

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and Doomfist seems to want to recruit him

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:44 AM

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And Hanzo seems to decline both offers

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Or at least, declines Doomfist and doesnt accept Genji

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:44 AM

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M OR A L L Y G R E Y

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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At least if they drop the 'Archives' part of the event and make it a recent incident, they have options. Like Ana and Hanzo both taking the bounty on Junkrat's head, and then forced to team up with him and Roadhog when a bigger threat shows up.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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For detatched good guys, you have D.Va, Lucio, Orisa, Pharah, Hammond, and Zarya.

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Who, again, have no reason to team up with each other.

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Orisa and Lucio, maybe.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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is hammond even a good guy

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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He's not an antagonist

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Guess so

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:45 AM

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Hammond's a hamster. He just kinda

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Does

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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He is just exploring

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For the sake of exploring

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He isnt doing anything

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Only thing we know is he was on the moon base, crashed in junker town, and put machine guns on his escape pod to win the arena fights

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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I'm pretty sure he's murdered many hoomans.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Zen is the only hero that could realistically be brought into Overwatch throguh someone else (Genji) with Recall.

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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But he's le cute :3c so people ignore that.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Uuuuugh

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who else....

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:46 AM

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And we havent seen that

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Who else is Hanzo in Dragons not saying no but also not saying yes

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Hanzo seems to be mirroring genji's arc

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where he's just confused about what to do

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Oh, brig @limpid agate

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Rein could bring her in

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Brig already joined Overwatch

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Its in her hero introduction trailer

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Bruh what

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I remember when I thought it would be a good idea for the wreckage of the Slipstream to get recovered to introduce gonzo time travel timeline shit.

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What a dumb idea.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:48 AM

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must have missed that

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Genji's arc. I love those words because I realize his arc exists almost entirely in other heroes backstories

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Arc is an arc

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even if unseen

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Which is amusing

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:48 AM

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as opposed to characters like Moira who do not change and are static

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Because hes one of the more developed characters, at the cost of 3 other characters not getting much of anything

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Eh, what would Moira change

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Change =/= arc

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Sorry if I was implying that

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:49 AM

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who do not change and are static

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:50 AM

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I am not amazing with words. You get the gist of it. A villain can have an arc, and still be a villain at the end

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they don't need to 'change' as in become good, or become evil, but they need to work through a problem, strive against adversity, and find resolution

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Moira remains best girl.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Moira is just an evil genius asshole who then did not change one iota since.... ever

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Moira origins is already kinda like that

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:52 AM

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bruh do not be a contrarian and defend Moira for having an arc

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Im not being a contration, you picked a bad example

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:53 AM

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???

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defend it then

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Moira stays the exact same and just changes her environment to suit her.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Moira had conflict against society

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So she changed her society

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Twice.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:53 AM

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So in the most barebones way

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It's sort of like saying roadhog has an arc then

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:54 AM

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There's zero (0) change between Blackwatch Moira and Minister/Talon Moira.

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Roadhog MIGHT have an arc, but I chalk that up to poor writing.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:54 AM

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^

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I would not complain if we were to get a short or comic about Moira, I'd like to see more of her

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:54 AM

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That's my point, it's barerly and arc for roadhog

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tbh

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Since some sources say he's a violent irredeemable murderer who despises Junkrat, and others that he's actually a softspoken recluse who just wants to be left alone and gets along fine with Junkrat.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:55 AM

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it's barely an arc for genji

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:55 AM

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But her character is fine.

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:55 AM

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and I've used the word 'arc' so much I will now call it 'the THING'

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:55 AM

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The thing

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What

potent mist Apr 17, 2019, 5:55 AM

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using a word too often makes it feel weird, imo

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tbh I have half a mind to write crappy fan fiction and just mail to blizzard with a big post it note saying "USE"

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Anyways, for Moira. She hasn't changed herself, but instead she changed her environment.

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Which I think is fine for her in a narrative with other characters that do change.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:01 AM

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And that's fine. Moira doesn't need to change as a person.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Predator Omnic looks cool. I think he is the leader of Null Sector, but if not... What else could he be?

📎 Predator_Omnic.png

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And if he is, why is he in Cairo?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:52 AM

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@limpid agate to make agreement with talon

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 6:52 AM

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I feel Null Sector's leader should have been a blocky Bastion/OR-esque Omnic.

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I'm getting burnt out on the Zenyatta palette swaps.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:52 AM

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to make agreement with talon

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Okay

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Then why was Doomfist in Cairo

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:52 AM

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idk

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hiding probably

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Who's he hiding from?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Overwatch?

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 6:53 AM

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But they call him nothing but 'Doomfist' in this event.

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They don't know he's Akande.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:53 AM

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They do

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There are voicelines calling him Ogundimu

valid shell Apr 17, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Buh

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Well fuck me.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 AM

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Vialli is also mentioned as an associate of Max.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 AM

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They hunting Maximilian for one purpose, to get info where doomfist is hiding

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 AM

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The teaser suggested they were following the money to get proof that Doomfist was dirty.

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But the ending suggests that Max is just going to ignore that and introduce him directly

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 AM

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And in the same time null sector trying to make agreement with Talon

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They probably gonna team up for common purpose

restive flower Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Either Max escaped or they actually let him go

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:56 AM

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He negotiated.

restive flower Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 AM

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So they're going to ignore all the shady shit he's done?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Why do you think so?

restive flower Apr 17, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Because he's not in prison in the present.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:58 AM

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"After the King's Row Uprising, Overwatch struggled to arrest Doomfist. Overwatch agent Sojourn recommended that they instead capture Doomfist by targeting Maximilien, and she sends a strike team to arrest him."

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:59 AM

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There's always a bigger fish

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:59 AM

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I guess I don't understand something

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it seems to me that they actually arrested him

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:03 AM

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they captured Max, Max told them where to find Doomfist, and they let Max go

dim horizon Apr 17, 2019, 7:04 AM

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Maximilien offered to tell them where they could get at Doomfist ("an introduction") presumably in exchange for his freedom. Since OW are in the market for bigger fish to fry than a glorified accountant, they make the deal.

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Now, the real question is why Doomfist considers Max an ally in Masquerade given this less than stellar loyalty. Presumably it would not be hard for DF to figure out that the info ultimately leading to his arrest in Numbani came from Max.

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Which makes me wonder if Max's willingness to sell out his boss as quickly as he did (not even a token attempt at resilience) is part of a greater plan.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 AM

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📎 unknown.png

dim horizon Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Perhaps Doomfist intended OW to confront him (to assert his strength? To prove his 'only the strong survive' message? Who can say) - and simply underestimated Winston.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:06 AM

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to me this reads as Doomfist knows Max sold him out, but wants him to admit to it (or doesn't want to punish him just yet)

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Max doesn't know that Doomfist knows, so Max pretends to be a friend

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or Max considers it just business

dim horizon Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Equally possible.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 AM

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btw

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ultimately leading to his arrest in Numbani

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he wasn't arrested in Numbani

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he was arrested in Singapore

dim horizon Apr 17, 2019, 7:08 AM

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"No honor amongst thieves, just good business" seems like a fitting modus operandi for Max. And Akande certainly seems like a man who could put aside such a squabble until he doesn't need Max anymore.

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Singapore, really? Huh, interesting. The origin video always seemed to scream Numbani to me that I never thought to look into it further.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:09 AM

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📎 doomfistoriginsign.png

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signage has English, Chinese and Malay

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there is a scene at the very end where Doomfist is posing for the camera which is in Numbani

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which is where most of the confusion comes from

dim horizon Apr 17, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Neat, thanks for the info.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:13 AM

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English and Chinese are the two most spoken languages. I wouldn't be surprised to see them together pretty much everywhere in the OW universe. Malay is the weird one for Numbani.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:13 AM

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That's because its not Numbani.

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Its Singapore.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:14 AM

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those three in particular are important because they are three of the official languages of Singapore

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Its also a National Museum

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Not some random building

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Using the 3 national languages of Singapore.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:14 AM

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and since it's a national museum, it makes sense to have the signage in 3 national languages

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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National Museum of Canada isn't gonna have some random Spanish/Cantonese/Hindi subtitle under its name.

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Its gonna be French.

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As a more relatable example

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Logic

teal meadow Apr 17, 2019, 8:14 AM

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I always thought mercy was a fragile woman

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but after storm rising she clearly is a clever and strong woman

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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what gave you that idea?

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in the Uprising comic she scolds Morrison for not doing enough

teal meadow Apr 17, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Yeah, but we know mercy dosen't really enjoy in violence

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so for me it was a suprise seeing here act a bit sassy to maximillien

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And i hope they release the comic based after this mission..... i so wanna know what happens next

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:30 AM

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I mean, not resorting to violence, or preferring to avoid it, doesn't necessarily mean you're fragile

elder rapids Apr 17, 2019, 9:57 AM

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yo

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Do we know that Mercy doesn't enjoy doing violent acts, or do we just know that she doesn't fight much because she knows she's better as support than a fighter? (Sorry if that question is confusing, I might have phrased it weirdly.)

cunning ledge Apr 17, 2019, 11:04 AM

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All I’m going to say is

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She blinded a guy driving a car to make him crash as part of a tactical manoeuvre

somber pilot Apr 17, 2019, 11:05 AM

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makeshift flashbang

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Yeah. I guess my question should've just been... has there been any proof, at all, that Mercy doesn't enjoy violence?

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And you kind of answered my point by saying she blinded that guy. She probably doesn't mind it.

somber pilot Apr 17, 2019, 11:07 AM

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likely not. pretty sure the doctor has a pretty unpleasant run in with war given how both parents were casualties way back

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Yeah

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 11:34 AM

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So OW wanted u info on Doomfist at the end of Storm Rising?

timber jewel Apr 17, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Question why can’t mercy fly all the time as shown in storms rising with the blinding light

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also storms rising also shows the Genji mercy ship is more true

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@supple bear yes

hollow urchin Apr 17, 2019, 11:52 AM

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mercy probably doesnt enjoy violence but she has to use it for the greater good.

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 12:06 PM

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@timber jewel The first reason for why Mercy doesn't always fly, the one that came off the top of my head, might be so she's on the same page as her teammates. There would have to be a whole new level of strategy if Mercy were to constantly fly. But, again, I took that off the top of my head and it's probably the weakest reason.

dark tinsel Apr 17, 2019, 12:18 PM

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Gameplay wise, she most likely can’t always fly as it’s a pretty difficult to balance ability, and as you can see, it’s not a hovering of sorts like Phara’s. Just imagine a Mercy that can pretty much Guardian Angel whenever where ever she wants all the time, it’d be.... kinda bad

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Was the end of Storm Rising how OW was able to confront Doomfist and arrest him?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 12:31 PM

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I think that predator omnic has some connection to that eye thingy

teal meadow Apr 17, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Mercy looked very determened in catching doomfist tho

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more than the others

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

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She might just be more angry about it than the others are

teal meadow Apr 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

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i wonder what happened to her during the fight in the short

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Do we know how many years ago it was that doomfist was put in his Helix cell?

dark tinsel Apr 17, 2019, 1:08 PM

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We know it was years but I don’t think we know the exact duration

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 1:13 PM

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2070-2071

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Since one of those dates has Akande been in prison.

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Because today in Overwatch it is 2077.

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And on the forums someone explains it was roughly 6-7 years ago.

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But you know what I want?

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Junkrat lore.

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He was once a clown, that's for sure.

timber jewel Apr 17, 2019, 1:17 PM

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after Storms rising came out it confirms that currently the closest thing that happened before the events of overwatch the game is doomfist getting captured

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the second closest is storms rising and then Mei cryofreezing

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 1:18 PM

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No because..

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If Mei woke up from Cryo in this time.

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And she was freezed for 10 years.

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She must've been frozen in before Doomfist was captured.

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Because that would be in 2068.

timber jewel Apr 17, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Yeah that’s why it’s the third cloesest thing after storms rising and the capture of doomfist

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i’m sorry for not clarifying

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and also it is 9years

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 1:19 PM

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But you said second..?

timber jewel Apr 17, 2019, 1:20 PM

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The second closest is storms rising.

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and then the next closest after that is Mei cyrofreeze

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that is what I meant

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Oooh.

timber jewel Apr 17, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Sojourn is in the recall short

restive flower Apr 17, 2019, 1:42 PM

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i want archives to be over already

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 1:43 PM

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why

restive flower Apr 17, 2019, 1:49 PM

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because every time i log in, i see disappointment on my screen

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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you can just entirely disregard the event though

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nvm can't really disregard the screen

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Yeah, but that's not what we're here for.

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You should discuss this in #overwatch

quiet plover Apr 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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my bad sorry

fading willow Apr 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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6 more daYS 16 MORE HOURS AND 39 SECS

paper gazelle Apr 17, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I havent tried the new PvE myself, but honestly I don't get why some people have to be extremely disappointed with the new event. It's not like it's a 100% recycle like the past events

teal meadow Apr 17, 2019, 2:32 PM

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i'm only disappointed in the lack of interactions

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Retribution and Uprising had a lot of character interaction and original enemies and did a bit in flushing out the characters and the lore as well have their own comics at launch or prior to launch of said event

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This one as little of anything and the mission felt very short. The only Lore things we got are who Sojourn is and we learned of a super weird omnic guy doomfist was talking to but we never see in the current/later timeline

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 2:37 PM

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It's not recycled like every other event, but a lot is still recycled

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Which is understandable to an extent

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But like, we could have had different Talon specials at least

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Cutscenes were great, gameplay was kinda lacking

fossil isle Apr 17, 2019, 2:42 PM

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it still felt kinda short doe

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 2:43 PM

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I don't even mind that, but I do think this entire event is unnecessary and there are so many critical lore points you could conceivably go to and this wasn't by any means important to go after

fossil isle Apr 17, 2019, 2:45 PM

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yeah I felt the same. If anything it didn;t feel like things were fleshed out, but things were added. Now instead of learning more about the characters, I'm introduced to three new ones: Maximillian, the dreads omnic dude, and Sojourn. Maybe it's foreshadowing two new heroes?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 2:47 PM

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You could go to the original strike force days and give them a mission to shut down an omnium and have reinardt, ana, soldier, and Reaper or whoever else taking down an omnium. Boom new map and you get to fight new enemies and get a bit of how their friendship started/deepened
You could go and have overwatch go to korea and how they helped deal with the gwishin and potentially fail to shut down the East china sea's omnium and how they were gonna go about attacking it and then them getting shut down. New map and clears up inconsistencies
You could go to the damn Swiss HQ building and showing how it crumbled and was destroyed by both talon agents and fake overwatch agents with Jack and Reaper and whoever else they want to put in the building to make this event work and would give us a lot more insight on one of the most mysterious incidents in OW history

regal coyote Apr 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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OMFG!

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He got NINE dots

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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I would love and event that shows more about how Overwatch disbanded with the big boom at the Swiss HQ

regal coyote Apr 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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I know a few still discredit my theory, but in general i still believe more dotful oens are smarter and superior

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Heck they could have it as, Swiss HQ is under attack, escort/escape mission or something

regal coyote Apr 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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no the swiss would be like 2 years down the road

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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What?

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Also was there ever a comic?

regal coyote Apr 17, 2019, 2:54 PM

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first strike is dark history

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does nto exist

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canceled

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and jeff would go to your house and execute you if you leak its content

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Worth it

regal coyote Apr 17, 2019, 2:55 PM

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:3

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:10 PM

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People, anything that's not Lore related please discuss in #overwatch

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I know the Event is Lore related, but talking about what you think it isn't.

devout sable Apr 17, 2019, 3:22 PM

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@quiet plover no, Mercy does not "enjoy violence"

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@supple bear @uneven barn Doomfist was captured 5-6 years ago

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:23 PM

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5-6-7 almost all the same

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 3:25 PM

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So after storm rising, OW captures doomfist?

devout sable Apr 17, 2019, 3:25 PM

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yep

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 3:26 PM

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So that lines up with rooms origin story

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Dooms

devout sable Apr 17, 2019, 3:26 PM

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it's implied that Max sold him out

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Is max the kind of guy who has his own motives? Like sombra?

devout sable Apr 17, 2019, 3:27 PM

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and that the "introduction" was helping Overwatch ambush Doomfist

supple bear Apr 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Also when does the last scene with doomfist take place? Is that present day after he breaks out of prison?

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:28 PM

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The only Lore things we got are who Sojourn is and we learned of a super weird omnic guy doomfist was talking to but we never see in the current/later timeline

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that we never see in the current/later timeline yet

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Look in #overwatch

crimson palm Apr 17, 2019, 3:30 PM

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I swear that omnic at the ends sounds and looks like reaper

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But with no mask

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Yeah, but like..

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Maybe we've seen him already?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I'm more depressed than anything else that we still have no idea why Maxi joined Talon or what motivates him as a character

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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And we just haven't noticed./

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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The only things I could see that we learn from Maxi are

He has a french accent
He's willing to sell doomfist out

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 3:32 PM

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did he have a French accent?

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:32 PM

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I didn't hear it.

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But maybe it was a slight French accent.

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Because he didn't sound full english nor american.

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 3:33 PM

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maxi is also really good at rolling coins over his fingers

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I thought it was french but I could be mistaken, point is an accent

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yea great. Totally worth the year long wait to learn that about Maxi

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Well..

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We did learn that Maxi can offer anything in about any way.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:35 PM

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we don't know what Reaper looks like without a mask

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and Predator doesn't sound that much like Reaper

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:36 PM

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I suppose just darkness.

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Like a blackhole but without the sucking and 2 eyes that glow red when ghost.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:39 PM

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he does have a face

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Ana recognized him

uneven barn Apr 17, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Well, he does have a white skin.

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Like, really white.

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Look at his classic skin, and then the arms.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:45 PM

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have you ever seen dead flesh?

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it's not pretty, and it goes pale

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:58 PM

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I'm not even sure if it's like

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Dead

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Cause like he keeps regenerating it

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Also I think it's just the players playing the game at the worst possible graphics and quality

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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well it certainly isn't healthy, normal coloured flesh

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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absolutely not

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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we've seen his normal skin tone

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 3:59 PM

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yea a healthy tan

timber jewel Apr 17, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Lol

cinder jewel Apr 17, 2019, 5:54 PM

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does overwatch explains how ominc has developed their own personality?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Also I think it's just the players playing the game at the worst possible graphics and quality

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I play at max settings

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Its white

dawn fern Apr 17, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Sigh, quite disappointed with the event

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And who tf is Soujorn

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Sojourn is a new captain (well, new to the strike team)

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she has been a long time member of Overwatch, and was included in the recall

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I suspect that she took Ana's position as 2nd in command of Overwatch

dawn fern Apr 17, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Is it after she got shot?

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 5:57 PM

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there are voice lines that indicate she took over Reinhardt's role as strike team commander

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yes

dawn fern Apr 17, 2019, 5:58 PM

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So Reyes is out or probably Reaper at this point?

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 5:58 PM

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no

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hes still in Overwatch

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Mercy mentions him

dawn fern Apr 17, 2019, 5:59 PM

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hmm, didnt catch the dialogue this time. Maybe I have to play it a bit more.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:00 PM

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@limpid agate I mean the ones who thought Doomfist was talking to reaper at the end of storm rising

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From what I understand

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Sojourn, Junker Queen, Echo, Mama Hong, and dreadlock cord omnic man are future heroes

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or very likely to be anyway

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Mama Hong is not going to be a hero

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she's a racist caricature that was stolen from Kung Fu Hustle

white cobalt Apr 17, 2019, 6:19 PM

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This is a good summary on the streams: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/be0mqx/ohnickel_fareeha_nateson_developer_stream_summary/

r/Overwatch - OhNickel, Fareeha, & Nateson Developer Stream Summar...

106 votes and 42 comments so far on Reddit

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Concept for Hammond was around before Overwatch was released. Sojourn was started on in 2014/2015. Orisa, Baptiste, and Moira were newer hero concepts.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I do think Mama Hong is super bad

white cobalt Apr 17, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Baptiste new concept, huh

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I think the newer concept heroes came about from the meta

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We need a hero who we can add to do this and that because this specific meta is too strong and this person's kit would further enable said comp and so we won't release them yet

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I'm pretty sure that was the intent of ashe and dynamite

upbeat grail Apr 17, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Alright

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BOI

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who is the omnic we saw in the cinematic at the end of the new archives event

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:26 PM

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New character.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:26 PM

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no name yet

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I call him the predator because he looks like the predator

upbeat grail Apr 17, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Lol

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:26 PM

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ppl suspect from null sector but I'm skeptical

upbeat grail Apr 17, 2019, 6:27 PM

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i think its like the situation with the retrabution event

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A giant crime boss dude

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that needs help with something

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so doomfist offers it to h in exchange for him joining talon

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I was thinking freedomfighter/terrorist based in Anubis

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which I personally don't think he'd join Doomfist

upbeat grail Apr 17, 2019, 6:28 PM

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He could be trying to do good

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but that doesnt mean he wont join talon

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i mean look at baptiste

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:29 PM

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difference here is

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Baptiste joined in Talon's early years when they weren't well known as an evil group

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this is like 1-2 years before overwatch got shut down and a lot of people know they're a terrorist group

upbeat grail Apr 17, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Yeee tru

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but maybe doomfist can convince him otherwise

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i mean id he's a vigilantee he wont care about whhat the law says

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Wouldn't know cause we know literally next to nothing other than he's fighting for omnics

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and I assume is based in Anubis

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because why else would Doomfist even be in Anubis

sweet frost Apr 17, 2019, 6:32 PM

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is that Anubis god of programs at the end

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 6:32 PM

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as much as I agree that that's probably the right year, I hate people using 2076 as the current year as if it is fact

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because when the current year is revealed, if it's not 2076 people will cry Retcon!

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Can't we use Reinhardt's age?

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didn't we get confirmation he was born in 2016

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 6:33 PM

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right now the only confirmed year we have is 2060, and that's when Max took over Don Rumbotico

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no, that was never confirmed

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the only dates we have are relative dates

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x years ago, x years before recall, etc

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we have a few solid dates for month/day

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Mei's Journal, the Dorado powerplant, Nguyen's report

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and some things are set around real world events like New Year's and Carnivale

devout sable Apr 17, 2019, 6:48 PM

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@worthy rose omnic extremists fighting for omnic "liberation" is literally what Null Sector is tho

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so you doubt that he's associated with Null Sector, and then immediately follow it up with a description that matches the Null Sector

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:50 PM

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doesn't mean it's the only organization that does it. The shambali literally help omnic and human relations and help omnics gain a foot and try to gain rights in kings row; Doesn't make them null sector. I just want more proof than he has a purple chin immediately indicating null sector

devout sable Apr 17, 2019, 6:51 PM

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the Shambali aren't violent omnic extremists

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so that's not a valid comparison

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 6:54 PM

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My point: Both are fighting or pushing for more rights for omnics in oppressed areas. The equivalent of this would be the black panthers and the civil rights movement. Both want better for their people but the methodology is different but the intent and goal is more for their people. Your only indication that he's null sector is that he has a purple chin when in this world there are likely to be millions to hundreds of millions of omnics in the world. You expect me to believe that there's only one bad group of omnics? If they wanted to confirm the dude was null sector, a simple insignia on his head or hoodie would work just fine instead of purple chin.

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Null sector btw is pretty anti human and based in the UK. I don't see a UK based omnic going to Anubis just for a meeting going so well. And apparently they have a slogan literally titled "No Humans" So if he was working for Null Sector, I really don't see him wanting to even hear or work with Doomfist in this regard.

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https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Null_Sector#cite_ref-TracerUprising_1-0

Overwatch Wiki

Null Sector

Null Sector was an extremist/terrorist group that utilized violent methods to achieve omnic rights. They operated out of the United Kingdom, in the heart of London. Their implied goal was to create an omnic nation.

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but please

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feel free to continue to say that he is null sector where the only proof there is the purple chin. I'd genuinely love to see other evidence that supports this

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limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:07 PM

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based in the UK

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We dont know where Null Sector is based

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Its not just the purple chin (and red/orange lights), but also what Doomfist says fits in perfectly with Null Sector.

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The world doesnt understand visionaries like
I respect what you are trying to accomplish
You fight for your kind
Its noble and doomed to fail
With Talon's help, that can change.

later in masquerade

It's time to start a war.

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 7:11 PM

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jewv don't you help maintain the wiki

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:13 PM

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idk what more you want me to say. Motivational stand point it makes sense but I need more than that to confirm. The physical aside the only thing we get is that he's a freedom fighter/domestic terrorist that fights for omnics which I do agree sounds a lot like null sector but also I'd really like to point out, there's Millions to hundred Millions of omnics in the world and not all of them live in a country that is treating omnics well. And from what I've seen and what all of us has seen, It's given by the reaper line in the comic. Rebellion happens when people are treated like shit for a long period of time and reaper calling it out in this

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limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:14 PM

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@lean prawn Yes, why do you ask

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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using the wiki you help maintain as a counter argument just didn't seem right

edgy relic Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Then you go to the source the wiki used, just like Wikipedia.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:15 PM

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This I'm taking it to mean they came about in the UK and are based there. And as far as we know there hasn't been another incident in the UK since the Widowmaker fiasco years later

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Meaning from the rough timeline of events

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Uprising happening 7 years earlier

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and Storm Rising 6 years earlier

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there hasn't been another massive incident since Widow maker killed

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meaning Mr. "Null sector leader" hasn't done much of anything in those 5 years in the place where they likely originated (Kings row)

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@lean prawn I didnt use the wiki as a counter argument?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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I did

sharp jungle Apr 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Mercy and Genji have a nice convo in the event

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Gonna grab dinner after the mission

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Mr. "Null sector leader" hasn't done much of anything in those 5 years
Null Sector or not

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He hasnt done anything in those 5 years

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Likewise, Doomfist was in jail

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Vialli derailed his plans

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As Akande claims in Masquerade

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:27 PM

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in the ohnickel stream Jeff said their plans had to be put on hold while Doomfist was in jail

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:31 PM

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They caused the Kings row uprising without Talon's help. The fact that there wasn't another incident in 5 years just means to me either he's not Null sector but something else entirely that is similar to null sector and null sector died off OR He's a really bad leader and hasn't done anything in 5 years. Talon or no Talon you can make plans and implement them to cause various incidents

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Talon is a helping hand, the Shimadas are still doing Shimada things despite being weakened without Talon's help

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:36 PM

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They caused the Kings row uprising without Talon's help.

With Talon's help, that can change.

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:38 PM

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yea but you're not gonna just sit around as a freedomfighter/extremist assuming he is null sector

Him: Talon has promised us it's aid. Doomfist goes to jail Alright shut it down we're nothing we can't do anything without doomfist and Talon's aid

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And btw it only failed because Overwatch intervened when they were expressively ordered not to

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:39 PM

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in the ohnickel stream Jeff said their plans had to be put on hold while Doomfist was in jail

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Yea, what kind of extremist organization is that where they stop literally everything until Doomfist got out which they had no guarantee he would so just roll over and wait until the people of the UK to give them their rights?

frosty shell Apr 17, 2019, 7:41 PM

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I wonder if Blizzard regrets calling it Archives

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it limits the number of missions they can do

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:41 PM

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they didn't call it archives until retribution so I'm sure they're not opposed to changing the name

frosty shell Apr 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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yeah

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I wonder if next year will be a present day mission

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Anniversary would be a great time for present events

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Getting the gang back together

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Anniversary is fine as an Arcade update

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 7:48 PM

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"You shouldn't trust omnics, they could kill you!"

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so could any human

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I don't see anyone saying you should take away human rights because they're potentially dangerous

robust viper Apr 17, 2019, 8:05 PM

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You guys like the mission? I enjoy it but the skins and highlight intros are lackluster

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Plus no new emotes this year :/

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 8:07 PM

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I like the mission but I will admit compared to past events it was kinda lack luster. I enjoyed the cutscenes more than the actual gameplay

robust viper Apr 17, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Can you even skip the first part? I didn’t see an option 2

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:08 PM

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if you press the button to skip it shows up

robust viper Apr 17, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Is doing it on whatevr the hardest difficulty is hell? Winston isn’t the best tank and tracer has to be close, I feel like genji and mercy are ok but compared to the other ones main hero’s yk

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Its not hard. Just tedious

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Because no one does good damage

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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it's easier than the older two

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Its easier, but takes more time to do less.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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people complained that Retribution was too long, so they made this one shorter

robust viper Apr 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Anyone complete it yet?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I dont remember seeing that complaint

robust viper Apr 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I kinda wanna do a legendary never completed one for any event oof

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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that's what people are saying now, so maybe they're just trying to rationalize why it's so short

lime totem Apr 17, 2019, 8:11 PM

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I just did retribution on legendary, had to do a few test plays before i got the hang of it

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:13 PM

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all heroes mode is super easy with Baptiste

gentle token Apr 17, 2019, 8:26 PM

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My rationality for it being so short is that they wanted to do something for it but so much time is being put into the "secret projects" that no one knows what they are
Probably wrong though

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Also supposedly Blizz is revealing a "big" feature durint anniversary but my hopes are low

long ermine Apr 17, 2019, 8:39 PM

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What’s a Vialli

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Antonio I think

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The guy they kill in Retribution

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 8:47 PM

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This is Viali

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@long ermine

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Whoop

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Antonio is the guy killed in Retribution

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Vialli is the guy killed in Masquerade

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Both are dead former Italian leaders of Talon

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:48 PM

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I forgot him completely

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He really only existed to die

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Another Omnic to replace the possible position of Antonio coming back as a hero SadFace

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In fact the probabilities of that thing becoming a hero are incredibly high considering the last flanker released was Doom in 2017

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 8:50 PM

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maybe he's the talon tank ppl keep asking for

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:50 PM

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That'd be Maxmillion

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And I'd assure you people still want Max way more than that thing

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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We just got a healer, and before him was

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Ashe

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:51 PM

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He looks cool, he has an icon, his voice is hot, he's one of the Talon heads.

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We need Max :))

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We'll probably be getting this robot dude on June and then Echo on Blizzcon

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Which would suck since Echo's hype already died down

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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This random nameless omnic looks more suited to being a tank even just based off his build

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More than Max

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Calling him fat

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Either way

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Just looks like a bulkier assassin to me

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Like I said, game in need of flanker

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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he's specifically not part of Talon

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Exactly

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They said he wasn't

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He can be a tank, he doesn't have to be Talon

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No one has to be Talon tbh, why do they need a tank?

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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I don't get it either

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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And this game has enough flankers

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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ppl want a mirror match probably

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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'Cause what else would Maxmillion be

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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I would say Max is very unlikely

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Especially as a tank

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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He's gonna be something

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Chu said he made Moira with the purpose of being an evil/sinister healer

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Anything?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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with that logic

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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he could be support or damage

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Healer? DPS?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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fans would want a talon tank

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Another Talon support

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Heck, he coulda been Defense when we still had that

long ermine Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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isnt the guy at the end of storm rising more likely to be a new hero than max

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Yes

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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picture Max with a Tommy gun

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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At this point

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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There are other chances for a Talon tank. Of the named heroes, we have Sanjay. Of the unnamed heroes, we have Predator (if he did join Talon)

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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For a corporation responsible in terrorism they sure have a lot of supportive characters

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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They have two

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Out of 6

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Yeah

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Not even 2

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Baptiste left

sacred hamlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Yet there's people suggesting he should be a support

sharp jungle Apr 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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He seems like a dps but could be a tank

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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They have 1 out of 5

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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They have 2 out of 6 playable characters, and then another 5 brands of common/special fodder

sharp jungle Apr 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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We’re in line for another tank, not that there is a order

last inlet Apr 17, 2019, 8:56 PM

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We've had a DPS and a healer as our last 2 newbies

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Would make sense to have a new tank

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 8:57 PM

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2/11 is fine. Especially considering Baptiste quit and Moira is an unethical geneticist that genetically enhances a significant portion of known Talon members.

sharp jungle Apr 17, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Tank seems likely but blizz just puts out

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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My opinions on hero 31 as of now

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worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Sanjay ftw.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Unlikely is basically just honourable mentions

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:08 PM

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you still think Hamid is likely?

teal meadow Apr 17, 2019, 9:08 PM

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how is flo even in there?

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Who tf is hamid

long ermine Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Don't know who Hamid and Fio are, and is Predator the name of the guy in storm rising? end omnic

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Predator is not his official name

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Its what I am calling him

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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I hope it is

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Because he looks like the Predator

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Dont care if its a rip

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Hamid is the archaeologist namedropped on Petra and mentioned in Bastet

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Fio is the Blackwatch pilot from retribution

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Fio is in the honourable mentions section

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She was introduced last year. Probably wont be a hero

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Hamid sounds just as likely as max

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Why is that

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Max has basically zero chance

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Max is a soft accountant. Hamid is an archeologist that ties to Ana and 4 maps that are lacking in lore.

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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because we've seen him as the opposite of a combatant

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Thats what im implying @iron plume

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:12 PM

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And archeologist is not an uncommon action-hero profession

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See: Indiana Jones, Lara Croft, Nathan Drake, etc.

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Its 100% gonna be predator

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:13 PM

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lol

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Or they hit us with the ole' switcheroo and go with Echo.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Echo is confirmed not hero 31

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:13 PM

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^

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Oh, they confirmed that, too?

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Yep, it's Predator or Hamid.

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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100% is a funny claim

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Why

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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people thought Hammond would 100% be JQ

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and then that Ashe would 100% be JQ

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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The top row of future not 31 are hero designs that they confirmed are hero designs that are in varying stages of development, but are not 31. (Junkerqueen was not officially deconfirmed, but was said to be mostly concept art and long term plans)

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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I am not those people lmao

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What a stretch

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:14 PM

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I thought Hammond would be 100% Hammond but not a monkey

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My main chips were on Jetpack Cat, my side chips were on literally any other mammal that is small and harmless

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Watch it be Lucio's body guard who was a former overwatch agent

ivory sinew Apr 17, 2019, 9:15 PM

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They have too many interesting characters waiting to be heroes atm - Change my mind

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:15 PM

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no more of a stretch than saying predator is definitely 31

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:15 PM

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But Ashe I thought was the queen

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:16 PM

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I say 100% because he was literally teased in the most mediocre event ever, the point of this big event was to tease this menacing omnic villan as the next hero.

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Right now I am looking at Hamid and Predator. Other than another new and never before seen character, no one else seems likely to me right now

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:16 PM

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those claims had the exact same justifications

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Hamid seems to obscure to be the next one

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Especially since 3 popular choices are pretty much deconfirmed

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2 explicitly, 1 indirectly

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:17 PM

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No they didn't because they were different claims under different circumstances @iron plume

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:17 PM

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that doesn't make an absolute claim any less stupid

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:17 PM

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the point of this big event was to tease this menacing omnic villan as ~~the next hero.~~ a major villain that will be relevant in the relatively near future.

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At the earliest, hero 31

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At the lastest, Archives 2020

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But within that time frame, I am 99% confident Predator will reappear

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Why would they revolve an event around a character that wouldn't be the next hero?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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99% because I was 100% confident we would be getting a comic

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The event revolved around Max

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And Max wont be the next hero

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:19 PM

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The point was to figure out what info max had, he is simply a plot device

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Info on Doomfist

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So they could arrest him.

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Because he was his dirty accountant

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Point is the event builds up to this new character reveal

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They would just piss off more people if they didnt release him next

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After a big and specifically obvious teaser

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:22 PM

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people will be pissed off regardless

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Are you talking about Echo?

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peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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we should stop caring about people

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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finally my political platform is getting traction

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Yeah but it may be a suprise also known as we don’t give a damn about what heroes you want

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Or were you talking about Sojourn?

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Or was it one of the mech pilots from Shooting Star?

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pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Echo was 1. In ashes reveal trailer 2. Confirmed not to be hero 31.

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I forgot about those guys

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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the whole "this hero has been teased, they must be next!" thing goes back to Doomfist as well

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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wasnt she confirmed to not be hero 30?

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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2 sojourn was also denied as next hero

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Echo was the whole point of Reunion.

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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i thought echo could be anyone from 31-36

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Could it be queen of junkertow

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Echo/Sojourn are explicitly deconfirmed for 31

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Junker Queen is a long term hero

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Junkerqueen is indirectly deconfirmed

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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not coming soon

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:25 PM

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But those 3 are in varying stages of development

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So they will probably appear from 32-36

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Does anyone know anything bout dva dad or mom

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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So we just ignoring the predator guy now are we?

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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...no

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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D.Va's dad was a Starcraft pro

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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i mean what do u want to say about him

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genuinely what could u say about him

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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he's one of the frontrunners

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but he's not remotely a guarantee

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Predator is one of the most likely candidates. He is not guaranteed.

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Hamid is also likely

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In my eyes

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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because there's been a lot of teasy introductions that were added later

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Many disagree

pallid oracle Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Im calling it now you can quote me on this but new omnic guy will be next hero, its so obvious and you guys sre overthinking it.

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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he's going to be seen again, probably in the next comic run

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Maybe that other founding farther of overwatch what was his name

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Maybe that other founding farther of overwatch what was his name

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Liao

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Yeah him

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Liao is in canon limbo

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Honestly i cant wait for teh full Meka Squad

calm sable Apr 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Hamid coming eventually would explain why they didn't call Wrecking Ball 'Hammond' in the hero screens- to help prevent future confusion.

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Who is hammid

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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I don't think we'll get all of MEKA squad as heroes

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Archeologist in Petra tied to Oasis/Ilios/Ayutthaya/Ana

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:28 PM

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if forced 2/2/2 is a thing

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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maybe one or two, but not all

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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then having an over abundance of tanks to pick wouldnt be an issue

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and Jeff has already said it's in the works

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Tracers girlfriend?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Emily will never be ahero

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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She's just a civillian

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Emily is a noncombatant

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Oh

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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so was mei

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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but she will probably show up again

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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and presumably zen

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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We may see her in an Archive event as an aid

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but not as a physical hero

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Mei is the exception not the rule. Mei was introduced as a playable hero. Emily was introduced as a civilian

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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does emily even have a motive to be a hero

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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If tracer gets injured

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Or if Winston disapeared

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Tracer already has Winston to do that same job

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Emily would be a pointless addiiton

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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emily doesnt do much when it comes to opening up the lore either

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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OR IF EMILY GETS ABDUCTED BY DOOMFIST

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Then she is the victim

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Not the hero

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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she is just there to fill out Tracer's background

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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If Winston vanished Tracer might ask Emily for help because Emily is the only one with a bond like Tracers to Winston. But honestly Winston has so many friends Emily would just be redundant

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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like Sam or Vincent or Gerard

lean prawn Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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emily doesnt have any combat training

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Like Hammond

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Okay btu Hammond is a Genius

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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What do you mean like Hammond

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Anyone know the deal on sojourn?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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What do you mean "the deal"

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Hammond diesn;t fight himself that's why he built Wrecking Ball

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Like what’s her story

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Just wanted to introduce a black female character

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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lol

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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damn

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presumably an early member of OW

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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i bet she still has a heal aura

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Not presumeably

peak escarp Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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she has been there this whole time

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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She is an early member of Overwatch

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Been around for ~20 years

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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she's a founder isn;t she?

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I said Presumably early member and I mean that not as an original strike team member

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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No

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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she's been awhile yea but she may not have been there from the start

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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What if we are looking to deep

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It’s like something simple

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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So just another “could be next hero” character

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Another memeber of the shimada clan?

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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No.

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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lol

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Papa shimada as a samurai tank

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Sojourn is confirmed in development but not 31

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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I’m good on that

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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I really want Overlord to be the next hero, a flying Tank? that sounds interesting

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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and papa shimada is dead

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Like Ashe wasn’t teased that much same as Hammond

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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we do have a flying tank

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her name is dva

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Ashe/Baptiste are the only post-launch heroes that were never teased

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Love dva

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Genji was “dead” too just saying

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Overlord's mech constantly flys though

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Wait Hammond was teased

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Genji was also known to exist as a character since the first Cinematic Trailer

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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they would never have a flying hero

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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In his cyborg form

worthy rose Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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or like as default

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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We saw the cyborg Genji before we heard about the dead brother

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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zenyatta flys

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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genji was presumed dead in-universe but was never to us

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neither were reaper and soldier

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Ana was always left ambigiously vague.

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They never said she was dead

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Very true but doesn’t mean they won’t bring back someone that was presumably dead

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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They just said something "happened"

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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we don't have the precedent

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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!!shitposting @wicked robin

twilit nacelleBOT Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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@wicked robin Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:38 PM

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they technically can do pretty much whatever

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but it's much more likely that they won't

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Yeah it would harm the game

sudden sequoia Apr 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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It’s blizzard they’ll do whatever they think we least expect

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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...that's not how that works

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Then lets just add a pink rhinocerous named Dan who dual wields Razor Thermoses.

wicked robin Apr 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Didn’t they say jet pack cat wasn’t ever a thing

iron plume Apr 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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sold

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:40 PM

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I think that is what you least expect

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Or something even less expected.

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"they’ll do whatever they think we least expect" is a non argument

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Because whatever you least expect

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Is more absurd than you think

fossil karma Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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he said "We will never add jetpackcat into the game, that would be like adding a Hamster."

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and they added a hamster so

limpid agate Apr 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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That... Was a joke