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Most people would
I wouldn't consider Hog and Junk evil since they have no darker evil intent
I think part of the discussion is that evil is almost always jerkish
They're just assholes killing for money
I'd call the Evil flat-out cruelty or something with no higher purpose
Killing is tricky
Evil can still have a higher purpose
It's objectively a bad thing and written as a sin in many cultures
But killing has a lot of objectives nowadays
We glorify the killing of some people while mourning the death of others based on our point of view
Really depends on perspective
But you can certainly be good while valuing yourself over others.
They're about to detonate a nuke in the middle of NYC
I'f it wasn't 1 am i would have so much more to add rn
It's arguable who is and is not evil in overwatch
Widow. For example. Could be argued as not evil. Due to being a non independent tool with little free will
And Doom
Doom isn't evil
DF has a goal, so it isn't the 100% terrible person
Also idk what I did but all the discussions are hidden for me unless a new message pops up and idk how to fix it
Doom is incredibly evil. He wants to create another world war just for some notion of survival of the fittest
There's an arrow on the left of the groups, click it.
That is more evil than just killing for shits and giggles
It's still not evil intent
It's a very cold kind of evil
THANK YOU
Doom just wants the world the way he wants
my name...
And his world view is twisted
All world views are twisted
That's why they're views
Our world right now is complete shit and you don't see people complaining for more than 2 seconds before going back to their lives
Doomfist is a vicious Darwinist with a calculated face
^
He's a very smart boy though
And that changes nothing
I also don't get why he would want the world the way he wants
If anything it further proves he is evil
But there's probably a good reason
He should be smart enough to understand better
I suspect that part of the reason he believes in survival of the fittest is because he is one of the fittest.
But alas. He doesnt. He's evil
Exactly
And his goals are very 1920's sciencey
Survivlai of the fittest
And history has shown what becomes of those ideas
Sombra is a total dickweed. But not all that evil
Yo who's to say a Darwin ruled world would be so bad
Doomfist would
Doomfist is smart boy
If You want an example of mean not always being evil
A Darwinist ruling the world would suck
A Darwinist once ruled a nation
His name was Adolf
I mean, he did save the economy and his country from depression.
Too bad he killed millions of people
In a very bad way
While trying to rule the world
But still Doomfist is a smart boy
He probably knows what he's doing
He obviously isn't
What he is doing is trying to ignite a conflict that would kill millions
All for his own world view of might makes right
That is why i think he is the most evil playable character in OV
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I thought this was Buzzfeed 😦
Out of the cast, the only hero that is villainous (in the more traditional sense) would be Mei. /s
Probably billions, considering population growth and potential casualties.
We don't know the population of OVs world as of 2070ish
But seriously, Doomfist is one bad mumba jumba.
In 2040 there was the first omnic crisis
So that might have knocked the world population down quite a bit already
No it didnt
Doomfist was always right 5Head
Junkrat is evil. But a very carnal evil
He has zero ambition
Zero goals
Just make mayhem cause it's fun
Woah woah think about it though
Maybe Junk doesn't enjoy killing people and just likes blowing stuff up
I never said he enjoyed killing
I said he enjoyed causing mayhem
Which. With him involves explosions
Which likely results in causality
With explosions?
Why would he care. Explosions by nature cause it
Where on the scale of evil would you put Moira
She's very collected and very composed
But cold as ice to the human condition
Ethics be damned she must SCIENCE
Well, she's got a purpose.
And she seems to care decently enough about other people that do well by her as long as they don't stand between HER and Discovery.
So I'd just call her Effiecient
Well, you gotta crack some eggs to make a few omelets.
Moira just decides to use Lab Rats and a few contracted people to do her work.
I'd definitely call her efficient.
A reminder that prototype art of her had her suit have wacky ass Doc Ock like tentacles
Imagine that as an archives skin
Yeah that's the one
Just imagine Moira fuckin slamming Genji back and forth like that Manray clip from Spongebob
With those arms
Certainly more fun than sucking people
S U C C
She sucked 3 men to death in 3 seconds
Oh the things you can get for a dollar

Deadly effiecient
Just reread Junk's comic and he doesn't seem to give that much of a damn about casualties
Guy obviously doesn't wanna murder innocents but he doesn't seem to care that much about hostages
Wonder what Hammond/Ash/Baps dance emotes will be
Ashs dance emote really ought to involve Bob
I don't think we can discuss this here
Jewvia is still awake and you know how things are when Jewvia is awake :))))
Pffft. We spent nearly 15 minutes talking about the definition of evil
ok guys quick question
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anyone able to understand what the chinese and koreon combination of the trailer mean
Really general, overwatch, and lore channels here all serve the same purpose
No I do not
at the vid 0.08, there is a mix of chinese and korean
Don't expect a big revelation from it
i only understnad half of it cause its in chinese, but the other half i do not know korean
There's one week, there would only be an ARG if it was a hero a while away.
it kind means
you'll laugh, i'll laugh, and they will all too
but i do not know that the AB part is
I think it's just gibberish
to make it look cool
I actually like the idea that since all of the heroes have great mobility, it could be some sort of chase mission after Maximillien, fighting bosses and units and hopping from roof to roof while the weather gets worse
Yea, we actually discussed this with Doctor earlier
oh
nice, but what i really want to see is intereaction between talon moira and reaper
we did?
i conic
Kind of, we touched on it a bit
you probably won't get that in this mission Gaiza
rip
Reyes is still with Overwatch
I don't expect to see any named heroes on the enemy team for this one
it'll probably just be Talon units again
but this leads to the big winston and akande, but thats in nubani
it's okay, not many people know it's not Numbani
We actually get to see Max in this mission, which is exciting
But I guess that Max must get away in the end, since he is in the DF comic
Yea?
what if instead of pushing a payload, we have to stop the payload
Hmm
the payload being Max's entourage
Maybe you have to hold the payload till the storm hits?
I actually saw an idea, that gameplay-wise, if they were to release the map, it could be a hybrid/escort with Max/entourage being the payload
So how does the distillery play into all this
Also, I don't know how Blizzard would handle you having to STOP the payload, since in all of the other maps, you moved around the map and viewed all of the locations, but on this map, you had the possibility of capping Max at some point and not seeing the entirety of the map they created
I can't really see them doing this from a financial/marketing point of view
I dunno, it was just a late night brain fart
Yea, great idea tho!
what if instead of pushing a payload, we have to stop the payload
Would be too easy
Why?
Also wouldnt let you see the whole map
Yea, that was one of my points
I would absolutely love if they used the Hurricane as a feature
Like parts of the map being washed away or you being pulled into the ocean if not careful
It will probably function as the time limit
Most likely
they leaked some achievement of the new event
and you can see 4 of the new skins logos
is there a reason why the people in space station are making overweight smart animals
science?
Mad science.
It would've been funny if he'd been a bird, and there were some interactions between him and Bastion's bird.
Although I'm not sure how the fight mechanics would work.
He'd be a really fat bird, so no flight necessary.
becuase monkeys and hamsters are usually lab pets
I would’ve preferred a rat to a hamster
Would that really change?
I don't know why I think it would be fun if Hammond had a tail.
No offense, but you have no sense of humor
Perhaps it’s like a capture mission or a pursuit mission?
probably it will end up like antonio. the plan is gonna fail and they're going on a chase with maximillien before he runs away
(i know they killed antonio, i was just referring to the "plan b")
What if for stormrising its 2 teams against eachother, one being talon/baddies protecting max and the others being overwatch
That's what I thought
Considering the fact you have the overwatch strike team
and the "freelancers"
You'd get the achievements based on whether you won on which team
Freelancers being people Max hired to protect him, Overwatch doing overwatch things
I always thought it would be good at a "good guys vs bad guys" type of scenario
Nope, if it was pvp it would fuck the lore
Do u think Max is going to be a hero
How would it fuck the lore lol @teal meadow
@pallid current maybe probably not
maybe in the far future when they out of ideas
id love it but ya, not super likely
we wouldn't know who really won
"Freelancers" is the achievement for beating All-Heroes mode with 8 different heroes
I'm still thinking Mercy, Tracer, Winston, and Genji are getting new skins even if some are epics
Maximilien definitely didn't hire McCree, Ashe, Baptiste and Bastion to defend him
and certainly not the versions of them from 15 years ago
What
I don't know the lore too well right
but I'm sure the deadlock gang wouldn't be shy to do a job for money - especially shooting people
Baptiste was a talon soldier
this mission takes place 6 years before present
McCree is already a member of Overwatch
Oke
Bastion is wandering around the Black Forest
the skins for Deadlock McCree and whatever Ashe is getting represent them as they looked about 15 years ago, before McCree was picked up by Reyes
Ashe still looks posh, so butler bob might make sense?
Ye
he's got the monocle and everything
Can you fill me in on why we think this doesnt happen 15 years ago?
because the audio recording said it happens after the King's Row mission, which is Uprising
Uprising happened 7 years ago
also because Tracer, Mercy, Genji and Winston are on the mission
15 years ago, Tracer was 11, Mercy was 22 and not a member of Overwatch yet, Genji was 20 and not cut up yet, and Winston was 15 and still on the moon
You can't run from the past.
Terminate your enemies as TALON BAPTISTE (Legendary)!
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Thats the fast skin for a new hero i guess?
I never noticed this before but like
Are all the skin reveals related in someway to the map? Cause I've never seen that map before which is a pretty good indicator that it's Havana
yeah, that's Havana
There was this line in his files, guess it'll be his new spawn voiceline
tfw maximillien will have more lore than zenyatta
Sad
@dapper shuttle did u datamine that
...maybe
On it
Lmfao
so good
i knoooow Doc :D
😩
They're keeping traditions alive, in time, we shall all understand why
Honestly all the devs need to do for people to care is to drop** ONE ** hint about the bar codes in an interview
Devs, we know you're on discord, cmon
pwease
Karahe, can you datamine pictures as well?
Lmao the requests
Pls I need just a smidgen of new lore
I can send you the 10 fart sound files Hog has
Wh--
Wot
That counts as lore, right?
why
Hey when y'all find out what's behind the Paris door can you let me know
We can right now : there's nothing
Big Chungus is behind the door

there is nothing behind the door
and now that we know Paris won't be this year's archives map, there likely won't be anything added behind that door in game for another year
Maybe they do something like they did with hammond's room in a year lmao
hero #78 will reveal what's behind the door
arent we gonna potentially get a comic today?
maybe
Baps skin looks more like an epic to me 🤔
Maybe I assume more would change in a legendary
i think its better than his other legendaries
Oh yeah, I love it
i dont like the rest of them
I just question sometimes what makes a skin a legendary
Like Winstons one from last year
"Legendary"
It looks like he has a nest of black furrets on his head
Which makes it the best
True
Ferrets are cat snakes and are friends
Can someone draw that
Talon baptiste with furrets sleeping on his head
I want that as a spray now omg
They're just his emotional support and encourage him in game
lol
I'm hyped for archives
@peak escarp his hair looks like killmonger's hair in the black panther movie
Who know the irrégular at Magic hight school
last I saw Chu was on vacation in Japan

imagine genji in one of those duckling boats
I'm pretty sure there's fanart of that actually lol
who all is family in the OW line
whut
Brigitte is Torb's daughter
and Rein is her godfather
I did not know that
no one else is related among heroes
we don't really know for most
Sombra used to be friends with Baptiste and is still "looking out for him"
Mercy and Genji are close in some form
Ana and Soldier are old comrades
didn't mei just like show up
she woke up from the cryo fairly recently
can you !loreheroes mei?
!!loreheroes mei
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/mei#story
crap my wifi blocks that website
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Mei
rip
he designed some Omnics, but he didn't personally build the bastion
He designed some boys
and he did bring it in at the end of Binary
And technically that would make Torb one of the most important characters in the game since No Omnic Crisis = Most of the heroes wouldn't exist if not all
So praise Torb 🙏
I have over 1200 hours on torb and sym
Are you trying to make a point or was that just a cheesy one liner
Either way Torb is an important boy praised be the no safety on man
Torbjorn is a good father and husband
torbjorn is a very good husband
and is the only hero who is currently married
And is fertile as fuck
Not false
Even though I think they've already confirmed the kids in the Christmas' comic are just Torb's grandchildren
So it's all either his or from his kids
Which we currently do not know the number of
we just know Brigitte is his youngest and none of those kids are hers
And since Brigitte is 23, Torb was at least 34 when all of his kids were alive.
Torb is 57 currently. So he is old enough to be a grandfather, and probably in a few years, a great grandfather.
his oldest grandchild looks like they're 12-13 years old
so unless he has others, he won't be a great grandfather for another decade at least
Storm Rising is like
very close to Doomfist cinematic
which is also pretty close to Overwatch disbanding
how long are we going to repeat that?
so I wonder what other Archives will they go along with
but yeah
I genuinely do not expect them
to make a Talon Archives
unless they actually add a Talon Tank and/or healer
I guess they could make it work without a tank
but Moira is after Overwatch falling so you'd have to restrict it to after overwatch falling events
it cant be any actual past early events of Talon
I dont consider Baptiste to be a part of the higher up units that are Widowmaker Sombra and Doomfist
Because to me it seems like hes just a regular medic on the frontlines
he could possibly be part of the higher ups in his late career, but i dont see it honestly
There's the working hypothesis that she was working for both at the same time
Moira I mean
Doomfist is part of the council now, but who knows if he always was
I find it highly unlikely Moira worked for Overwatch while in Talon
Sombra and Widowmaker are important, but who knows where they fall on the ladder
Okay
Other people think it's not as farfetched
She's not exactly loyal to anyone
For someone who claims that Overwatch restricts her research and shuts it down
I do not see her working for Overwatch
She doesn't work for Overwatch proper
I only see her working for Talon since it seems like she actually has scientific freedom
im talking about the hypothesis that Moira is a double agent
Not current, because yeah, you're right
Moira being genuinely shut down for her research and Blackwatch offering her a chance seems sufficient enough for her scientifc freedom
I dont see why she would join Talon while Blackwatch gave her the tech she needed
also it seems like Doomfist and Sombra were definitely in Talon long before Overwatch's fall
Because maybe they gave her more. Or something different
Or simply another means to research
Doomfist was already an established villain in Talon and is the one fighting Overwatch before its fall
plus both of them have Talon skins
Her science is the most important thing to her, I'd be surprised if she didn't take more than one opportunity to practice it
Yeah, I said who knows if he was always on Talon's council
There may have been a time he was lower rank
Seeing as how immediately after breaking out he was already back to his leadership status
and how the other Talon agents tried to obtain the gauntlet
I think hes been there for a long time to say
Obv
I feel like Sombra would also be on Talon's council for a reasonably long time
her skills would be incredibly essential
We know for sure Widow, Sombra, and Doom were more than just grunts
it wouldnt surprise me at all if she quickly rose through the ranks
Eventually
She seems more interested in her own thing tho
Pretty much all of them are, tbh
I doubt Doomfist is
and Reaper
but the rest seem to have their own established goals besides Talon
Sombra is just after info, Widow is just a serial killer and Moira just wants research
we know that Talon is using her tech/research around this point
Serial killer is a funny way of saying brainwashed assassin
its unknown whether she gave it to them or if Talon stole it
brainwashed assassin
sure
but she pretty much says that she enjoys killing
its like the peak of her life at every moment
but I don't think Talon would be able to reproduce Moira's work without getting it from her directly
Moira wants her research to be used
thats pretty much the point of her doing it at all
she wants to change the world with the tech she has
it wouldnt be much of a bother to give the research you have to research even more
when giving it is not only a good field test but also a way to see the effects of your tech
pretty much says at the end of her origin story
so in that sense, yes she was working for Talon
that shes curious what world she can make with this new work
I think shes pretty satisfied as well that her work is being used
seeing as how she refers them as patrons
I think most of the missions we'll get for Archives will happen around this period
they can't do omnic crisis missions because Jack, Ana and Gabe would need different kits
yeah it feels obvious it would be around this period
seeing as how this is Archives
and anything present day wouldn't be in an archive
not really hinting at current time events
lets talk about why ana didnt want pharah joining overwatch pharas dad and anas fake death
pharahs dad faked death?
no
thought so
I havent read a single thing about Pharahs Dad faking death
Ana was MIA but you can definitely see that she is in a hospital
do you think sam will ever be an character
lol no
Pharah went to visit him during the holidays
so Ana did presumingly fake death for a while
That brings the question. Did Reyes have his shadow powers during the time of Retribution? And did the others, besides Moira ofc, know about it?
I'd like the know more about him and his relationship with Ana/Pharah
@gentle token he was starting to develop them, thanks to Moira
we don't know if the others knew
I dont know if Overwatch wants to keep lore safe on story
but it seems like he was only starting to delve into moiras rabbit hole of shadow powers
Thank you 😁
if Genji and McCree noticed, they didn't say anything
I wasnt sure if they kept it for games sake or if it was lore friendly
Moira does ask Reyes how he's feeling, implying she had already started working on him
he replies "Fine - no ill effects so far."
So, developing them for sure, but we're not quite sure the extent of what he could do at that point
he had his full range of powers for gameplay sake
Makes sense
Speaking of that interaction. What is the story behind Mercy and Reapers interaction when she asks what happened to him and he aggressively says "you tell me, doc" implying that she should know.
why would she ask if she already knew?
if a doctor asks about your swollen hand and you say "you tell me doc", you're not accusing the doctor of making your hand swell up
you're asking because they're a doctor and might know the cause
yes resurection
Maybe he just sounded too agressive and accusing in tone? Idk
Mercy was not involved in turning Reyes into Reaper
Then what's the point in that voice line?
Imma see if I can find audio of it real quick
have you seen the line where moira asks mei hows you chyro research going on or something like that
Mercy asks what happened to him because he doesn't look normal
do you think the super soldier enhancements had an effect on changing him from reyes to reaper?
no
Reaper answers like that because that's his personality
the super soldier enhancements had an effect on making him Reyes
as he is strong now
it's not an accusation
So basically his answer could almost be summed up as him saying "piss off"?
basically
guess what i heard in game Mercy: This is not what I intended, Reyes. Reaper: You knew exactly what you were doing
that isn't in the game
oh
i got messed up soz
Probably people misheard a line and it got passed into oblivion
my friend said he heard this linen is it true McCree (After killing enemy Reaper): Some one had to do it, seems fitting it'd be me
yes, McCree says that
McCree only says that to really only people who he sees as like
ugly
gone too far atleast
Who all does? Ana and Jack do, but who else? (Besides Moira, Akande, Sombra, and possibly Widow)
I like when Widow kills McCree/Soldier and says "psh, Americans.'
@gentle token that's it
canonically thats about it
i like when lucio tells tracer all race you
whait i cant keep up whos in talon
Talon is Doomfist Reaper, Widowmaker, Sombra, Moira and Baptiste
with Sanjay and Max as NPCs
Bap formally
are junkrat and roadhog even buddies or just co robbers
Junkrat probably doesn't even know what it is, just that it's valuable
Roadhog is his bodyguard
Junkrat likes Roadhog, but it doesn't seem to be mutual
poor junkrat
Hog does seem to be warming up to him a bit
I keep my own theory that it’s from the Omnium and is a data core of some kind. JR does not know that but anything people are willing to kill you over must have some value.
yeah, that's what I'm thinking
might be
What if it's a data core to another god ai like anubis?
it's not "treasure", its knowledge
That'd be interestint
What if junkrat forgets it in the end
what if the writers forget it in the end
Thaaaaaaat seems more likely lol

Could be an AI. Might be incriminating information too, Imagine if the jailed Omnica somehow triggered the crisis
What if its the ai at the end of the mcree short
Echo?
yeah
how could it be? Echo was in America
and on a train
and Echo is a robot, not an AI
McCree had Echo's program/memories on a datachip
asshe might steal it and team up with junkrat(prob not wild guess)
Echo went to meet with Winston
KIDNAPPING
Ashe didn't really know what it was either
yeah but she knew mcree wants it
that was obvious
But I don't think she knows where he sent it
Plus I doubt Ashe would travel all the way to Gibraltar, or wherever Winston is, to get it back
i can't be the only one that noticed that talon has only members that don't really gives a shit about talon..
doomfist wants the war
sombra just manipulate
reaper wants revenge
moira is there for science
omfg
and widow is just there because she is bored apparently
But all see Talon as a viavle asset to getting what they want
i wonder did widow have a kid
Working for Talon is like making a deal with the devil. They'll give you what you want, but in return you serve them.
what about before she went to talon
I think Widow only like killing because it causing her to feel something
Widow is there because Talon is controlling her
thats true
and because killing is the only thing that makes her feel alive
Imagine being emotionless and unable to feel. Now imagine one stimuli that does make you feel, anything. You'd probably get addicted
Doomfists intentions seem more likely to allign with Talon
Plus the first thing she did was kill Gerard. Could be a memory trigger for her
Reaper also doesnt seem to ahve any other intention leaving Talon
except for like Revenge
but thats about it
Moira
moira is like nonexistent in current lore showings so
she hasn't done much lately
It's hinted that she's at Oasis, or at least some of her work is
yeah. i just hope mercy, or someone that feel pity for widow, will try to heal her
So Overwatch
That's kinda the running theme
Sure, we got terrorists and world war crisis looming
But in the darkest of nights, that's when even the dimmest light of hope shines its brightest
That light is Overwatch
I may be stupid but this game gives me the warms and fuzzies for a reason
just watching the "We are Overwatch" ad gives me the warm fuzzies
The Rein short made me lowkey cry a bit
sometimes I'll watch the "Are you with us?" vid when the game starts up
and it makes me want to join Overwatch/answer the recall
but first you've got some business to attend to
Who wouldn't want to be a hero with Winston?
The guy is amazing
And always has your back
winston's only flaws are socially
awkward, especially when it comes to human romance
and his temper i guess
resists urge to ship Winston
winston x candy kong
Imagine how exciting it will be for new players when they join the game during Archives and there are like 4-5 events to choose
If they put it in timeline order, it would almost be like a little story
Winston's social awkwardness makes him a more appealing character
makes him relatable
I imagine it'll be very disappointing to the new players coming in and seeing how much more lack luster the other events are
New players will like Halloween still
And maybe Lucioball
Anniversary has always just been an arcade update, which I am fine with.
Christmas/CNY were disappointing though
Halloween is the one event I wouldn't mind if they didn't change every year
the rest could use a makeover
They do.
They haven't made new events, but they try to avoid running the same thing each year.
all they do is give us new maps
we've had Lucioball, Junkenstein, Mei's Snowball Offensive and Capture the Flag for 3 years now
Archives is the only event that is new every time
Mostly variants, you can't expect new modes every time.
variants?
Wait, no
yes
Snowball offensive is the same, but they made yeti hunt for winter too
WW got a new mode 2 years ago
Junkenstein got a new boss and a new set of heroes
they're still mostly the same
And Archives has a new thing each year ofc
it doesn't have to be something big
it could be like a minigame - hide and seek, or Reinhardt races (or RIP tire races)
or Lucio volleyball
that would be amazing
those are all things I've done in custom games
@Xbox Heroes, come out and play.
Start clownin' around as CIRCUS JUNKRAT (EPIC)!
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the Playoverwatch tweet doesn't show the skin, it just lists the name and the rarity
wtf does the junkra skin have to do with archives
i hate this skin especially for an archives addition
exactly wut i was thinking
unless he was actually in the circus, this is very out of place
is this like one of junkrats costumes while he was on his world robbery spree thing?
at least Lucio's skin last year was from his concept art
@peak escarp Have the epic being related to archives?
usually they are
the only Archives epics are Lieutenant Wilhelm and Null Sector Bastion
i feel like this skin should be for anniversary...
yeah
We really don't get enough epics
they stopped doing epics for a while
That's actually quite a shame, I find that some epics are very nice: they are neat and aren't a lot at once thrown at you, you know?
iirc in year 2 they didnt release any epics
For Archives?
for anything
Really?
I mean, there were the additions to the lootboxes, like the Zenyatta and Mcree, but don't know if that counts
between Uprising and the loot box update in Jan 2018, there were no epics
and then we didnt get epics again until . . . Summer Games 2018?
that makes the legs more unique and gives them time to work on the Legendaries more
Yea, his Hell skin is also really awesome
and Tracer's Rose
I actually really like the Mcree American skin, don't know why
Its really neat, IMO
omg
Scrooge
How did I forget
What an awesome skin
Scrooge is my least favorite McCree skin
Really?
it looks grungy
Now that I am looking at it, that's very true
But my least fav. skin is definitely the vigilante/mystery man
they just look really silly
Like characters from a French or Mexican comedy movie
I think its the mask that ruins it for me
non-canon Archives skins is a bit... bleh
Yes
Lucio and Junkrat skins both seem to be non-canon
what if Junkrat has a circus background that we didn't know about?
Might account for his insanity, lol
would explain why he can juggle
when exactly would he have an opportunity to join a circus?
Unless he was part of a circus as a child, I don't see it
And, honestly, its not that great of a skin
IMO
And I think it is a disadvantage gameplay-wise, its so bright and colorful
It fits his profile tho
He is a juggler
You get very Joker-y kind of vibes from him
he doesn't remind me of Joker much at all
Joker is threatening, Junkrat is just comical
depends on which Joker you refer to lol
The new Joker :))
Just call him a clown dude
My bad
at least this one isn't as creepy as his Jester skins
Either it's pretty obvious he's supposed to look like some kind of Joker
Prob the Joker card itself
Which would be a Jester
Ah yes, just like pj Mei, this skin makes me want to commit toaster bath
It's almost traditional this feeling now
Junkrat the Clown is canon, but not to the specific lore we currently have. Perhaps we will learn that he had a dark, clown past before he met Roadhog.
Which would be insanely hilarious and why would they not do that
the Joker is always green and purple, not cyan and magenta, so I don't really see it
This is Jamison’s take on the movie It 😂
@gentle token what's so bad about Pajamei?
it's cute, and aside from the gun, its canon
The outfit is cute, but idk it just feels so off for this event. For anniversary I would've been fine with it
I'm the type where if something seems off theme to me it'll bug me for weeks ;w;
Or forever
this event is for canon/historical skins
Yeah but the weapon isn't
For example gow Talon Widow looks slightly off from Talon Sombra and Doom. Love the skins but the slight off of it bugs me so much
neither is Formal Doomfist's gauntlet
But that's anniversary
oh right
eh, I just think that's a minor detail
certainly not one to "commit toaster bath" over
Mearly an exaggeration to express my dislike of it
Also was Junk ever a clown in lore?
At least that we know of?
(I'm just pumped for the Ashe and McCree skins hinted at)
Wasn't Junk like a child at the time of the blast?
Not sure
Ask the Doc 💿 for the timelines
"Like many others, he was affected by the lingering radiation. This touch of madness made him ideal for handling dangerous explosives, a love which he turned into an obsession"
Seems like he handled explosives way before the blast
Don't think clowns or everyday entertainers deal with explosives that often
there's no window for Junkrat to be a clown
I mean, he could've been some sort of entertainer in Junkertown
but a circus clown specifically? there's just no place for it
no window?
we don't know anything about him before his appearance in the bar in Wasted Land
that's 25 years of window
we don't even know how old he was when he found his "treasure"
Well, at least we now have definitive proof that not all Archives skins are lore skins
"definitive"
What skin isn't a lore skin ❔
this doesn't prove anything until Blizz/Chu either confirms or denies that Junkrat was in the circus
Didn't even realize a new skin for Junk came out
Not only does it look bad but it looks out of place for him.
Junk working as a clown just doesn't make sense for me.
Definitely have to wait for confirmation on that one
Maybe we'll have a cinematic dedicated to him this year
The only thing I can think of is he disguised himself as a clown at some point to rob something for the treasure trap to give the queen
Don’t worry. That hunk of meat (AKA Baptiste) got his Talon skin.
“I used to think that.. My life was a tragedy.”
“But now I realize.. It's a comedy.”
Junkrat, 2019
I really wish they stuck with lore based skins for archives, this Junkrat skin is out of place and gross
It feels like an Anniversary Skin.
It feels like a skin that should go in the trash
Regardless, there hasn’t been ANYTHING to suggest Junkrat had an odd job as a circus clown.
It seems random to say Junkrat is a clown
besides the fact that he laughs like a clown on crack
A skin where Junkrat dresses up as the king of Junkertown would be cool
Like a make shift crown and cape
His missing leg could be like a scepter
Like Starscream in the 80’s Transformers movie?
A Roadhog Outback Resistance Skin would be my pick.
When's the last time mei got a new skin?
Technically, it would’ve been last year’s Halloween event.
With the Pumpkin Epic Skin.
She also got both her ECO Point and Pyjama skins, so I think she’s good.
Mm
I'd like it if they stopped making epic skins for more legendary skins, but I know that is more expensive
I personally like most of the designs for the Epic skins. Hellfire Reaper is a great one, for instance.
I just wish they'd add more base game items rather than event only stuff
I wish there was less voice lines because to be honest does anyone every use them outside of spawn?
ever*
people spam them all the time
mada mada intensifies
I think we will get winston and genji's overwatch skin too
Hopefully.
I dont think they will get skins
The achievements seem to indicate they will be fighting in the same outfits they wore in the Doomfist Anime that takes place shortly after
yes
So would the Genji Overwatch outfit just be his default skin?
Just curious tho @fleet tiger , how is Junkrat Clown canon?
As of now
There is 0 indication its canon other than it simply existing in the lore event
Which isn't grounds for being canon by default
See:
- Equalizer
- Scion
- Specimen 28
- The upcoming Bastion legendary
Bastion's new Legendary could very well be one of the new enemy Omnic's models
They've already done that for both Bastion and Orisa
Specimen 28 is also related to the suits they used to wear back at the Lunar Colony so I don't see how that wouldn't work as a Lore skin.
Equalizer could be explained as one of Lucio's earliest outfits used back at Rio.
Scion is just formal wear and that's expected from Hanzo.
Junk's skin is the only that seems out of place compared to everything else

@wicked robin ?
Hmmm maybe it is
I wish they'd have saved it for another batch of non-event skins. Archives is the only event that means anything to Overwatch's narrative, and it's had cosmetics to refer to heroes' history.
If they're gonna start throwing just whatever into it, then oof
What if Lucia ball is an actual sport
🤷
The rest of the event doesn't seem interested in whether or not Lucioball is canon in OW world. It's just summer and sports and fun
All it really was was the team's first shot at an event-specific mode
I'd like more lore events through the year, because this once-a-year story mode business is a hard sell for me
Winter wonderland is also canon
also junkenstein, buts just because reinhard told them a story about it
The only canon thing about it is the first Christmas comic
And Junkenstein is just a story in OW world
Or is it ❔
Yes it, it's still a christmas update....
in the comic they celebrate christmas and stuff
I want to see how the clown skin will fit into canon
just what did the boy see in that omnic factory
@limpid agate look of Specimen 28 might not be canon but the Number 28 is, so at least the lore on it is ok
but the rest there is no indication
I'm sure they'll release something that will bring the clown skin into perspective
for the omnics some are more of an "echo warrior" kinda deal
like the ones bastion and orisa have
Alsoskin used in the mission should be the canon one
so yeah that moira with funny hat skin should be canon
Well that one makes an appearance in a comic. So I’m pretty sure Moira with a Beret is cannon
Let's be honest, we don't really know anything about junkrat childhood, so maybe his parents worked at a circus or it's just an outfit he uses to rob some banks
Moira has weird fashion and dance taste
Wouldnt shock me too much if beret was canon
Man Am I looking forward to this year archives event
its the best OW event of the year
I wonder what the story will be behind this one
I live in a cave
i would rather be picked apart molecule by molecule than having to write another email again
Its the same outfit from the origin trailer
wow, people just can't be happy
I like the suit , I'm also happy they're adding more sleeveless skins for her
that fingertip thingy
it looks like those spiky things on various tech
but they are needles