#lore-discussion

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sacred hamlet
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Basically a psycho

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I find that pretty evil

zinc ledge
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Most people would

sacred hamlet
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I wouldn't consider Hog and Junk evil since they have no darker evil intent

zinc ledge
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I think part of the discussion is that evil is almost always jerkish

sacred hamlet
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They're just assholes killing for money

zinc ledge
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But not every jerk is evil

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Killing is pretty evil though

worthy rose
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I'd call the Evil flat-out cruelty or something with no higher purpose

sacred hamlet
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Killing is tricky

zinc ledge
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Evil can still have a higher purpose

sacred hamlet
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It's objectively a bad thing and written as a sin in many cultures

zinc ledge
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I feel like we've suddenly become #Philosophy

sacred hamlet
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But killing has a lot of objectives nowadays

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We glorify the killing of some people while mourning the death of others based on our point of view

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Really depends on perspective

zinc ledge
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Killing another human being in MOST cases is evil

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In like 90%

worthy rose
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But you can certainly be good while valuing yourself over others.

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They're about to detonate a nuke in the middle of NYC

zinc ledge
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I'f it wasn't 1 am i would have so much more to add rn

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It's arguable who is and is not evil in overwatch

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Widow. For example. Could be argued as not evil. Due to being a non independent tool with little free will

sacred hamlet
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I'd argue only Reaper is evil

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Widow is a bitch as well, but she's brainwashed

gentle token
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And Doom

sacred hamlet
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Doom isn't evil

worthy rose
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DF has a goal, so it isn't the 100% terrible person

sacred hamlet
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He's just a man who gets what he wants

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By force

gentle token
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Also idk what I did but all the discussions are hidden for me unless a new message pops up and idk how to fix it

zinc ledge
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Doom is incredibly evil. He wants to create another world war just for some notion of survival of the fittest

worthy rose
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There's an arrow on the left of the groups, click it.

zinc ledge
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That is more evil than just killing for shits and giggles

sacred hamlet
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It's still not evil intent

zinc ledge
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It's a very cold kind of evil

gentle token
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THANK YOU

sacred hamlet
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Doom just wants the world the way he wants

worthy rose
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my name...

zinc ledge
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And his world view is twisted

sacred hamlet
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All world views are twisted

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That's why they're views

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Our world right now is complete shit and you don't see people complaining for more than 2 seconds before going back to their lives

zinc ledge
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Doomfist is a vicious Darwinist with a calculated face

worthy rose
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^

sacred hamlet
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He's a very smart boy though

zinc ledge
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And that changes nothing

sacred hamlet
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I also don't get why he would want the world the way he wants

zinc ledge
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If anything it further proves he is evil

sacred hamlet
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But there's probably a good reason

zinc ledge
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He should be smart enough to understand better

worthy rose
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I suspect that part of the reason he believes in survival of the fittest is because he is one of the fittest.

zinc ledge
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But alas. He doesnt. He's evil

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Exactly

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And his goals are very 1920's sciencey

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Survivlai of the fittest

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And history has shown what becomes of those ideas

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Sombra is a total dickweed. But not all that evil

sacred hamlet
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Yo who's to say a Darwin ruled world would be so bad

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Doomfist would

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Doomfist is smart boy

zinc ledge
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If You want an example of mean not always being evil

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A Darwinist ruling the world would suck

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A Darwinist once ruled a nation

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His name was Adolf

sacred hamlet
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I mean, he did save the economy and his country from depression.

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Too bad he killed millions of people

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In a very bad way

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While trying to rule the world

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But still Doomfist is a smart boy

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He probably knows what he's doing

zinc ledge
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He's smart. But he's still evil

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In no way is he heroic

sacred hamlet
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He obviously isn't

zinc ledge
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What he is doing is trying to ignite a conflict that would kill millions

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All for his own world view of might makes right

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That is why i think he is the most evil playable character in OV

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Thank you for coming to my TED Talk
PharahCool

sacred hamlet
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I thought this was Buzzfeed 😦

timid eagle
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Out of the cast, the only hero that is villainous (in the more traditional sense) would be Mei. /s

worthy rose
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Probably billions, considering population growth and potential casualties.

zinc ledge
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We don't know the population of OVs world as of 2070ish

timid eagle
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But seriously, Doomfist is one bad mumba jumba.

zinc ledge
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In 2040 there was the first omnic crisis

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So that might have knocked the world population down quite a bit already

sacred hamlet
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Which made humanity stronger

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OH SHIT

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Are you seeing the dots

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I see the dots

zinc ledge
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No it didnt

sacred hamlet
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Doomfist was always right 5Head

zinc ledge
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Junkrat is evil. But a very carnal evil

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He has zero ambition

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Zero goals

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Just make mayhem cause it's fun

sacred hamlet
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Woah woah think about it though

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Maybe Junk doesn't enjoy killing people and just likes blowing stuff up

zinc ledge
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I never said he enjoyed killing

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I said he enjoyed causing mayhem

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Which. With him involves explosions

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Which likely results in causality

sacred hamlet
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Of course

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But do we know if he cares about collateral damage

zinc ledge
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With explosions?

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Why would he care. Explosions by nature cause it

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Where on the scale of evil would you put Moira

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She's very collected and very composed

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But cold as ice to the human condition

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Ethics be damned she must SCIENCE

sacred hamlet
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Well, she's got a purpose.

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And she seems to care decently enough about other people that do well by her as long as they don't stand between HER and Discovery.

zinc ledge
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She's a very....industrial kind of evil

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Social evil you might call it

sacred hamlet
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So I'd just call her Effiecient

zinc ledge
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I'd hardly call it etticient

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It's efficient at the cost of forsaken mortality

sacred hamlet
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Well, you gotta crack some eggs to make a few omelets.

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Moira just decides to use Lab Rats and a few contracted people to do her work.

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I'd definitely call her efficient.

zinc ledge
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A reminder that prototype art of her had her suit have wacky ass Doc Ock like tentacles

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Imagine that as an archives skin

sacred hamlet
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Morally bad, but efficient.

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Can you send a link to that

zinc ledge
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In a minute when I find it

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It's hella cool

sacred hamlet
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Is it this one

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Seems like a clear nodge to the Octo guy

zinc ledge
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Yeah that's the one

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Just imagine Moira fuckin slamming Genji back and forth like that Manray clip from Spongebob

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With those arms

sacred hamlet
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Certainly more fun than sucking people

zinc ledge
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S U C C

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She sucked 3 men to death in 3 seconds

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Oh the things you can get for a dollar

sacred hamlet
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Deadly effiecient

zinc ledge
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Dear God

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Crazy

sacred hamlet
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Just reread Junk's comic and he doesn't seem to give that much of a damn about casualties

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Guy obviously doesn't wanna murder innocents but he doesn't seem to care that much about hostages

zinc ledge
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Wonder what Hammond/Ash/Baps dance emotes will be

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Ashs dance emote really ought to involve Bob

sacred hamlet
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I don't think we can discuss this here

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Jewvia is still awake and you know how things are when Jewvia is awake :))))

zinc ledge
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Pffft. We spent nearly 15 minutes talking about the definition of evil

finite sentinel
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ok guys quick question

sacred hamlet
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30

zinc ledge
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And longer talking about tank concepts

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Don't worry about it

finite sentinel
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anyone able to understand what the chinese and koreon combination of the trailer mean

zinc ledge
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Really general, overwatch, and lore channels here all serve the same purpose

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No I do not

finite sentinel
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at the vid 0.08, there is a mix of chinese and korean

zinc ledge
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Don't expect a big revelation from it

finite sentinel
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i only understnad half of it cause its in chinese, but the other half i do not know korean

worthy rose
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There's one week, there would only be an ARG if it was a hero a while away.

finite sentinel
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it kind means

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you'll laugh, i'll laugh, and they will all too

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but i do not know that the AB part is

zinc ledge
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Maybe it's meaningless

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Who knows

peak escarp
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I think it's just gibberish

finite sentinel
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who knows

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but why would they put itthere

peak escarp
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to make it look cool

fringe blade
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I actually like the idea that since all of the heroes have great mobility, it could be some sort of chase mission after Maximillien, fighting bosses and units and hopping from roof to roof while the weather gets worse

finite sentinel
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also a battle against time

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if you take too long

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you lose

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and max gets away

fringe blade
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Yea, we actually discussed this with Doctor earlier

finite sentinel
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oh

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nice, but what i really want to see is intereaction between talon moira and reaper

peak escarp
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we did?

finite sentinel
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i conic

fringe blade
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Kind of, we touched on it a bit

finite sentinel
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more releases tmr

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fingers crossed

peak escarp
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you probably won't get that in this mission Gaiza

finite sentinel
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rip

peak escarp
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Reyes is still with Overwatch

finite sentinel
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oh yeah right

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keeps forgetting

peak escarp
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I don't expect to see any named heroes on the enemy team for this one

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it'll probably just be Talon units again

finite sentinel
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but this leads to the big winston and akande, but thats in nubani

peak escarp
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not Numbani

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Singapore

finite sentinel
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oh

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right

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me dumb

peak escarp
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it's okay, not many people know it's not Numbani

fringe blade
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We actually get to see Max in this mission, which is exciting

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But I guess that Max must get away in the end, since he is in the DF comic

peak escarp
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oh

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I just had a thought

fringe blade
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Yea?

peak escarp
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what if instead of pushing a payload, we have to stop the payload

fringe blade
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Hmm

slow goblet
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Ooooooo

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Yeah I like that idea

peak escarp
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the payload being Max's entourage

fringe blade
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Maybe you have to hold the payload till the storm hits?

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I actually saw an idea, that gameplay-wise, if they were to release the map, it could be a hybrid/escort with Max/entourage being the payload

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So how does the distillery play into all this

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Also, I don't know how Blizzard would handle you having to STOP the payload, since in all of the other maps, you moved around the map and viewed all of the locations, but on this map, you had the possibility of capping Max at some point and not seeing the entirety of the map they created

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I can't really see them doing this from a financial/marketing point of view

peak escarp
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I dunno, it was just a late night brain fart

fringe blade
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Yea, great idea tho!

limpid agate
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what if instead of pushing a payload, we have to stop the payload

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Would be too easy

fringe blade
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Why?

limpid agate
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Also wouldnt let you see the whole map

fringe blade
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Yea, that was one of my points

limpid agate
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Unless you lose

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Stopping payloads is easier than pushing them

peak escarp
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like I said

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brain fart

fringe blade
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I would absolutely love if they used the Hurricane as a feature

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Like parts of the map being washed away or you being pulled into the ocean if not careful

limpid agate
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It will probably function as the time limit

fringe blade
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Most likely

teal meadow
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they leaked some achievement of the new event

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and you can see 4 of the new skins logos

subtle nymph
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is there a reason why the people in space station are making overweight smart animals

teal meadow
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science?

worthy rose
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Mad science.

hard leaf
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Is there a reason why Hammond is a hamster?

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Just seems like a random animal choice.

worthy rose
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Not particularly.

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Easy to raise, comparatively small, cute, domesticated...

hard leaf
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It would've been funny if he'd been a bird, and there were some interactions between him and Bastion's bird.

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Although I'm not sure how the fight mechanics would work.

worthy rose
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He'd be a really fat bird, so no flight necessary.

teal meadow
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becuase monkeys and hamsters are usually lab pets

hard leaf
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I would’ve preferred a rat to a hamster

teal meadow
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Would that really change?

hard leaf
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I don't know why I think it would be fun if Hammond had a tail.

teal meadow
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No offense, but you have no sense of humor

hard leaf
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I didn't say it to be funny.

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But none taken.

river mason
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Perhaps it’s like a capture mission or a pursuit mission?

teal meadow
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probably it will end up like antonio. the plan is gonna fail and they're going on a chase with maximillien before he runs away

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(i know they killed antonio, i was just referring to the "plan b")

cinder dock
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What if for stormrising its 2 teams against eachother, one being talon/baddies protecting max and the others being overwatch

rough crow
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That's what I thought

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Considering the fact you have the overwatch strike team

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and the "freelancers"

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You'd get the achievements based on whether you won on which team

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Freelancers being people Max hired to protect him, Overwatch doing overwatch things

analog heron
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I always thought it would be good at a "good guys vs bad guys" type of scenario

spiral timber
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but archives is pve

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thatd be fun tho

teal meadow
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Nope, if it was pvp it would fuck the lore

pallid current
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Do u think Max is going to be a hero

rough crow
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How would it fuck the lore lol @teal meadow

spiral timber
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@pallid current maybe probably not

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maybe in the far future when they out of ideas

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id love it but ya, not super likely

teal meadow
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we wouldn't know who really won

peak escarp
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"Freelancers" is the achievement for beating All-Heroes mode with 8 different heroes

gentle token
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I'm still thinking Mercy, Tracer, Winston, and Genji are getting new skins even if some are epics

peak escarp
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Maximilien definitely didn't hire McCree, Ashe, Baptiste and Bastion to defend him

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and certainly not the versions of them from 15 years ago

rough crow
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What

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I don't know the lore too well right

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but I'm sure the deadlock gang wouldn't be shy to do a job for money - especially shooting people

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Baptiste was a talon soldier

peak escarp
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this mission takes place 6 years before present

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McCree is already a member of Overwatch

rough crow
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Oke

peak escarp
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Bastion is wandering around the Black Forest

rough crow
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Then yeah im way wrong xd

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your '15 years ago' threw me off

peak escarp
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the skins for Deadlock McCree and whatever Ashe is getting represent them as they looked about 15 years ago, before McCree was picked up by Reyes

rough crow
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Ashe still looks posh, so butler bob might make sense?

peak escarp
rough crow
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Ye

peak escarp
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he's got the monocle and everything

rough crow
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Can you fill me in on why we think this doesnt happen 15 years ago?

peak escarp
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because the audio recording said it happens after the King's Row mission, which is Uprising

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Uprising happened 7 years ago

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also because Tracer, Mercy, Genji and Winston are on the mission

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15 years ago, Tracer was 11, Mercy was 22 and not a member of Overwatch yet, Genji was 20 and not cut up yet, and Winston was 15 and still on the moon

white cobalt
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Thats the fast skin for a new hero i guess?

worthy rose
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I never noticed this before but like

peak escarp
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other heroes have gotten a skin in their first event

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Orisa, Sombra, Ashe

worthy rose
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Are all the skin reveals related in someway to the map? Cause I've never seen that map before which is a pretty good indicator that it's Havana

peak escarp
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yeah, that's Havana

dapper shuttle
restive flower
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tfw maximillien will have more lore than zenyatta

quasi siren
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Sad

restive flower
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@dapper shuttle did u datamine that

dapper shuttle
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...maybe

restive flower
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can u datamine wrecking ball's "Get wrecked" voice line?

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i need it...

dapper shuttle
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On it

quasi siren
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Lmfao

dapper shuttle
peak escarp
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Karahe

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you'll like this skin

restive flower
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so good

dapper shuttle
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i knoooow Doc :D

peak escarp
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your favourite

dapper shuttle
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😩

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They're keeping traditions alive, in time, we shall all understand why

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Honestly all the devs need to do for people to care is to drop** ONE ** hint about the bar codes in an interview

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Devs, we know you're on discord, cmon

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pwease

restive flower
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Karahe, can you datamine pictures as well?

dapper shuttle
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everything

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but pm me so we won't spam this lovely channel

quasi siren
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Lmao the requests

craggy spruce
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Pls I need just a smidgen of new lore

dapper shuttle
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I can send you the 10 fart sound files Hog has

craggy spruce
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Wh--

quasi siren
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Wot

dapper shuttle
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That counts as lore, right?

weary copper
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why

craggy spruce
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Hey when y'all find out what's behind the Paris door can you let me know

dapper shuttle
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We can right now : there's nothing

quasi siren
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Big Chungus is behind the door

craggy spruce
peak escarp
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there is nothing behind the door

dapper shuttle
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and now that we know Paris won't be this year's archives map, there likely won't be anything added behind that door in game for another year

quasi siren
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Maybe they do something like they did with hammond's room in a year lmao

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hero #78 will reveal what's behind the door

spiral timber
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arent we gonna potentially get a comic today?

peak escarp
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maybe

gentle token
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Baps skin looks more like an epic to me 🤔

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Maybe I assume more would change in a legendary

spiral timber
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i think its better than his other legendaries

gentle token
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Oh yeah, I love it

spiral timber
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i dont like the rest of them

gentle token
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I just question sometimes what makes a skin a legendary

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Like Winstons one from last year

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"Legendary"

peak escarp
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I'm in love with the texture on his hair

quasi siren
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It looks like he has a nest of black furrets on his head

gentle token
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Which makes it the best

quasi siren
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True

gentle token
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Ferrets are cat snakes and are friends

quasi siren
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Can someone draw that

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Talon baptiste with furrets sleeping on his head

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I want that as a spray now omg

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They're just his emotional support and encourage him in game

worthy rose
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Who is hype

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For archives?

gentle token
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Me!

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But it's a week away ;-;

worthy rose
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I want all the lore

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Bring me Michael Chu and a bowl of Ramen

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We'll make him talk

peak escarp
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lol

amber socket
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I'm hyped for archives

somber birch
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ramen 😂

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im hyped! this is my first archives event i cant wait to play them all 😇

worthy rose
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@peak escarp his hair looks like killmonger's hair in the black panther movie

little ibex
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Who know the irrégular at Magic hight school

peak escarp
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Killmonger's hair was smaller coils

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Baptiste has thick dreads.

peak escarp
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last I saw Chu was on vacation in Japan

iron plume
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vacation-vacation or research

peak escarp
iron plume
regal coyote
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imagine genji in one of those duckling boats

iron plume
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I'm pretty sure there's fanart of that actually lol

worthy rose
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who all is family in the OW line

iron plume
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whut

worthy rose
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I know ana and pharah are mother/ daughter

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hanzo /genji are brothers

iron plume
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Brigitte is Torb's daughter

worthy rose
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WhaT?

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1

iron plume
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and Rein is her godfather

worthy rose
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I did not know that

iron plume
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no one else is related among heroes

worthy rose
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oh that's it 😦

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what about frineds

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I know winston and tracer are friends

iron plume
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we don't really know for most

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Sombra used to be friends with Baptiste and is still "looking out for him"

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Mercy and Genji are close in some form
Ana and Soldier are old comrades

worthy rose
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didn't mei just like show up

iron plume
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she woke up from the cryo fairly recently

worthy rose
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can you !loreheroes mei?

iron plume
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!!loreheroes mei

twilit nacelleBOT
worthy rose
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crap my wifi blocks that website

iron plume
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but you can also just go to the site

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it’s also on the wiki

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!!lorewiki Mei

twilit nacelleBOT
worthy rose
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OW wiki is also blocked

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iron plume
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rip

worthy rose
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didn't torb build bastion

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or fix him

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something like that

iron plume
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he designed some Omnics, but he didn't personally build the bastion

sacred hamlet
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He designed some boys

iron plume
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and he did bring it in at the end of Binary

sacred hamlet
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And technically that would make Torb one of the most important characters in the game since No Omnic Crisis = Most of the heroes wouldn't exist if not all

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So praise Torb 🙏

worthy rose
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Wronf

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Wrong

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The world could ALWAYS use more heroes

wicked robin
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I have over 1200 hours on torb and sym

sacred hamlet
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Are you trying to make a point or was that just a cheesy one liner

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Either way Torb is an important boy praised be the no safety on man

wicked robin
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Torb the@god

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torb has become an new gos

peak escarp
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Torbjorn is a good father and husband

lean prawn
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torbjorn is a very good husband

peak escarp
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and is the only hero who is currently married

wicked robin
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And is fertile as fuck

sacred hamlet
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Not false

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Even though I think they've already confirmed the kids in the Christmas' comic are just Torb's grandchildren

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So it's all either his or from his kids

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Which we currently do not know the number of

peak escarp
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we just know Brigitte is his youngest and none of those kids are hers

dawn halo
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And since Brigitte is 23, Torb was at least 34 when all of his kids were alive.

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Torb is 57 currently. So he is old enough to be a grandfather, and probably in a few years, a great grandfather.

peak escarp
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his oldest grandchild looks like they're 12-13 years old

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so unless he has others, he won't be a great grandfather for another decade at least

sterile zodiac
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Storm Rising is like

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very close to Doomfist cinematic

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which is also pretty close to Overwatch disbanding

teal meadow
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how long are we going to repeat that?

sterile zodiac
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so I wonder what other Archives will they go along with

teal meadow
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but yeah

sterile zodiac
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I genuinely do not expect them

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to make a Talon Archives

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unless they actually add a Talon Tank and/or healer

peak escarp
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they have 2 Talon healers

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they don't need a tank for an Archives mission

sterile zodiac
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I guess they could make it work without a tank

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but Moira is after Overwatch falling so you'd have to restrict it to after overwatch falling events

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it cant be any actual past early events of Talon

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I dont consider Baptiste to be a part of the higher up units that are Widowmaker Sombra and Doomfist

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Because to me it seems like hes just a regular medic on the frontlines

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he could possibly be part of the higher ups in his late career, but i dont see it honestly

last inlet
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There's the working hypothesis that she was working for both at the same time

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Moira I mean

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Doomfist is part of the council now, but who knows if he always was

sterile zodiac
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I find it highly unlikely Moira worked for Overwatch while in Talon

last inlet
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Sombra and Widowmaker are important, but who knows where they fall on the ladder

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Okay

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Other people think it's not as farfetched

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She's not exactly loyal to anyone

sterile zodiac
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For someone who claims that Overwatch restricts her research and shuts it down

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I do not see her working for Overwatch

last inlet
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She doesn't work for Overwatch proper

sterile zodiac
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I only see her working for Talon since it seems like she actually has scientific freedom

last inlet
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She was in Blackwatch

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I'm talking past events

sterile zodiac
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im talking about the hypothesis that Moira is a double agent

last inlet
#

Not current, because yeah, you're right

sterile zodiac
#

Moira being genuinely shut down for her research and Blackwatch offering her a chance seems sufficient enough for her scientifc freedom

#

I dont see why she would join Talon while Blackwatch gave her the tech she needed

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also it seems like Doomfist and Sombra were definitely in Talon long before Overwatch's fall

last inlet
#

Because maybe they gave her more. Or something different

#

Or simply another means to research

sterile zodiac
#

Doomfist was already an established villain in Talon and is the one fighting Overwatch before its fall

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plus both of them have Talon skins

last inlet
#

Her science is the most important thing to her, I'd be surprised if she didn't take more than one opportunity to practice it

#

Yeah, I said who knows if he was always on Talon's council

#

There may have been a time he was lower rank

sterile zodiac
#

Seeing as how immediately after breaking out he was already back to his leadership status

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and how the other Talon agents tried to obtain the gauntlet

#

I think hes been there for a long time to say

last inlet
#

Obv

sterile zodiac
#

I feel like Sombra would also be on Talon's council for a reasonably long time

#

her skills would be incredibly essential

last inlet
#

We know for sure Widow, Sombra, and Doom were more than just grunts

sterile zodiac
#

it wouldnt surprise me at all if she quickly rose through the ranks

last inlet
#

Eventually

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She seems more interested in her own thing tho

#

Pretty much all of them are, tbh

sterile zodiac
#

I doubt Doomfist is

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and Reaper

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but the rest seem to have their own established goals besides Talon

#

Sombra is just after info, Widow is just a serial killer and Moira just wants research

peak escarp
#

we know that Talon is using her tech/research around this point

tawny patio
#

Serial killer is a funny way of saying brainwashed assassin

peak escarp
#

its unknown whether she gave it to them or if Talon stole it

sterile zodiac
#

brainwashed assassin

#

sure

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but she pretty much says that she enjoys killing

#

its like the peak of her life at every moment

peak escarp
#

but I don't think Talon would be able to reproduce Moira's work without getting it from her directly

sterile zodiac
#

Moira wants her research to be used

#

thats pretty much the point of her doing it at all

#

she wants to change the world with the tech she has

#

it wouldnt be much of a bother to give the research you have to research even more

peak escarp
#

she does things for the sake of science

#

not because she wants to change the world

sterile zodiac
#

when giving it is not only a good field test but also a way to see the effects of your tech

#

pretty much says at the end of her origin story

peak escarp
#

so in that sense, yes she was working for Talon

sterile zodiac
#

that shes curious what world she can make with this new work

#

I think shes pretty satisfied as well that her work is being used

#

seeing as how she refers them as patrons

peak escarp
#

I think most of the missions we'll get for Archives will happen around this period

#

they can't do omnic crisis missions because Jack, Ana and Gabe would need different kits

sterile zodiac
#

yeah it feels obvious it would be around this period

#

seeing as how this is Archives

peak escarp
#

and anything present day wouldn't be in an archive

sterile zodiac
#

not really hinting at current time events

wicked robin
#

lets talk about why ana didnt want pharah joining overwatch pharas dad and anas fake death

sterile zodiac
#

pharahs dad faked death?

peak escarp
#

no

sterile zodiac
#

thought so

wicked robin
#

no pharahs dad and anas fake death

#

soz forgot the and

peak escarp
#

Ana went MIA after a failed mission

#

Sam is still alive and well

sterile zodiac
#

I havent read a single thing about Pharahs Dad faking death

#

Ana was MIA but you can definitely see that she is in a hospital

wicked robin
#

do you think sam will ever be an character

sterile zodiac
#

lol no

peak escarp
#

Pharah went to visit him during the holidays

sterile zodiac
#

so Ana did presumingly fake death for a while

gentle token
#

That brings the question. Did Reyes have his shadow powers during the time of Retribution? And did the others, besides Moira ofc, know about it?

peak escarp
#

I'd like the know more about him and his relationship with Ana/Pharah

#

@gentle token he was starting to develop them, thanks to Moira

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we don't know if the others knew

sterile zodiac
#

I dont know if Overwatch wants to keep lore safe on story

#

but it seems like he was only starting to delve into moiras rabbit hole of shadow powers

gentle token
#

Thank you 😁

peak escarp
#

if Genji and McCree noticed, they didn't say anything

gentle token
#

I wasnt sure if they kept it for games sake or if it was lore friendly

peak escarp
#

Moira does ask Reyes how he's feeling, implying she had already started working on him

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he replies "Fine - no ill effects so far."

gentle token
#

So, developing them for sure, but we're not quite sure the extent of what he could do at that point

peak escarp
#

he had his full range of powers for gameplay sake

gentle token
#

Makes sense

#

Speaking of that interaction. What is the story behind Mercy and Reapers interaction when she asks what happened to him and he aggressively says "you tell me, doc" implying that she should know.

peak escarp
#

why would she ask if she already knew?

#

if a doctor asks about your swollen hand and you say "you tell me doc", you're not accusing the doctor of making your hand swell up

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you're asking because they're a doctor and might know the cause

wicked robin
#

yes resurection

peak escarp
#

no

#

resurrection isn't canon

gentle token
#

Maybe he just sounded too agressive and accusing in tone? Idk

peak escarp
#

Mercy was not involved in turning Reyes into Reaper

gentle token
#

Then what's the point in that voice line?
Imma see if I can find audio of it real quick

wicked robin
#

have you seen the line where moira asks mei hows you chyro research going on or something like that

peak escarp
#

Mercy asks what happened to him because he doesn't look normal

gentle token
desert yacht
#

do you think the super soldier enhancements had an effect on changing him from reyes to reaper?

sterile zodiac
#

no

peak escarp
#

Reaper answers like that because that's his personality

sterile zodiac
#

the super soldier enhancements had an effect on making him Reyes

#

as he is strong now

peak escarp
#

it's not an accusation

gentle token
#

But I'm more curious as to Reapers meaning

#

Also yes that could most likely be it

peak escarp
#

he's not a friendly character

#

he's aggressive and mean

gentle token
#

So basically his answer could almost be summed up as him saying "piss off"?

peak escarp
#

basically

wicked robin
#

guess what i heard in game Mercy: This is not what I intended, Reyes. Reaper: You knew exactly what you were doing

peak escarp
#

that isn't in the game

wicked robin
#

oh

peak escarp
#

the writer doesn't even know where that came from

#

it's a myth

wicked robin
#

i got messed up soz

gentle token
#

Probably people misheard a line and it got passed into oblivion

wicked robin
#

my friend said he heard this linen is it true McCree (After killing enemy Reaper): Some one had to do it, seems fitting it'd be me

peak escarp
#

yes, McCree says that

gentle token
#

That one is real

#

My favorite is Tracer mocking him when she kills him

peak escarp
#

but McCree doesnt canonically know that Reaper is Reyes

#

not yet, anyway

sterile zodiac
#

McCree only says that to really only people who he sees as like

#

ugly

#

gone too far atleast

gentle token
#

Who all does? Ana and Jack do, but who else? (Besides Moira, Akande, Sombra, and possibly Widow)

peak escarp
#

I like when Widow kills McCree/Soldier and says "psh, Americans.'

gentle token
#

Lol

#

That's a fave too

peak escarp
#

@gentle token that's it

sterile zodiac
#

canonically thats about it

wicked robin
#

i like when lucio tells tracer all race you

peak escarp
#

Jack, Ana, Sombra, Doomfist

#

Widowmaker maybe

wicked robin
#

whait i cant keep up whos in talon

peak escarp
#

Talon is Doomfist Reaper, Widowmaker, Sombra, Moira and Baptiste

#

with Sanjay and Max as NPCs

gentle token
#

Bap formally

peak escarp
#

yes

#

Baptiste left recently

wicked robin
#

thx

#

do you know what is junkrats treasure

peak escarp
#

nope

#

nobody knows

gentle token
#

Only Junkrat

#

Dunno if even Hog knows

wicked robin
#

are junkrat and roadhog even buddies or just co robbers

peak escarp
#

Junkrat probably doesn't even know what it is, just that it's valuable

#

Roadhog is his bodyguard

#

Junkrat likes Roadhog, but it doesn't seem to be mutual

wicked robin
#

poor junkrat

gentle token
#

Hog does seem to be warming up to him a bit

dense estuary
#

I keep my own theory that it’s from the Omnium and is a data core of some kind. JR does not know that but anything people are willing to kill you over must have some value.

peak escarp
#

yeah, that's what I'm thinking

wicked robin
#

might be

gentle token
#

What if it's a data core to another god ai like anubis?

peak escarp
#

it's not "treasure", its knowledge

gentle token
#

That'd be interestint

wicked robin
#

What if junkrat forgets it in the end

peak escarp
#

what if the writers forget it in the end

gentle token
#

Thaaaaaaat seems more likely lol

wicked robin
dense estuary
#

Could be an AI. Might be incriminating information too, Imagine if the jailed Omnica somehow triggered the crisis

wicked robin
#

What if its the ai at the end of the mcree short

gentle token
#

Echo?

wicked robin
#

yeah

peak escarp
#

how could it be? Echo was in America

gentle token
#

and on a train

peak escarp
#

and Echo is a robot, not an AI

wicked robin
#

yeah buuuuuut what if its the programing not the actual physical hard copy

#

oh

peak escarp
#

McCree had Echo's program/memories on a datachip

wicked robin
#

asshe might steal it and team up with junkrat(prob not wild guess)

peak escarp
#

Echo went to meet with Winston

wicked robin
#

KIDNAPPING

gentle token
#

Ashe didn't really know what it was either

wicked robin
#

yeah but she knew mcree wants it

peak escarp
#

that was obvious

gentle token
#

But I don't think she knows where he sent it

#

Plus I doubt Ashe would travel all the way to Gibraltar, or wherever Winston is, to get it back

teal meadow
#

i can't be the only one that noticed that talon has only members that don't really gives a shit about talon..

#

doomfist wants the war

#

sombra just manipulate

#

reaper wants revenge

#

moira is there for science

errant willow
#

omfg

teal meadow
#

and widow is just there because she is bored apparently

gentle token
#

But all see Talon as a viavle asset to getting what they want

stark furnace
#

i wonder did widow have a kid

gentle token
#

Working for Talon is like making a deal with the devil. They'll give you what you want, but in return you serve them.

sterile zodiac
#

Widow is sadistic

#

she likes killing

#

shes also brainwashed

#

so theres that

stark furnace
#

what about before she went to talon

gentle token
#

I think Widow only like killing because it causing her to feel something

peak escarp
#

Widow is there because Talon is controlling her

stark furnace
#

thats true

peak escarp
#

and because killing is the only thing that makes her feel alive

gentle token
#

Imagine being emotionless and unable to feel. Now imagine one stimuli that does make you feel, anything. You'd probably get addicted

sterile zodiac
#

Doomfists intentions seem more likely to allign with Talon

gentle token
#

Plus the first thing she did was kill Gerard. Could be a memory trigger for her

sterile zodiac
#

Reaper also doesnt seem to ahve any other intention leaving Talon

#

except for like Revenge

#

but thats about it

#

Moira

#

moira is like nonexistent in current lore showings so

peak escarp
#

she hasn't done much lately

gentle token
#

It's hinted that she's at Oasis, or at least some of her work is

teal meadow
#

yeah. i just hope mercy, or someone that feel pity for widow, will try to heal her

sterile zodiac
#

sounds

#

extremely optimistic

worthy rose
#

So Overwatch

#

That's kinda the running theme

#

Sure, we got terrorists and world war crisis looming

#

But in the darkest of nights, that's when even the dimmest light of hope shines its brightest

#

That light is Overwatch

peak escarp
#

yes

#

it's all about heroes and an optimistic future

worthy rose
#

I may be stupid but this game gives me the warms and fuzzies for a reason

peak escarp
#

just watching the "We are Overwatch" ad gives me the warm fuzzies

worthy rose
#

The Rein short made me lowkey cry a bit

peak escarp
#

sometimes I'll watch the "Are you with us?" vid when the game starts up

#

and it makes me want to join Overwatch/answer the recall

desert yacht
#

but first you've got some business to attend to

worthy rose
#

Who wouldn't want to be a hero with Winston?

#

The guy is amazing

#

And always has your back

desert yacht
#

winston's only flaws are socially

#

awkward, especially when it comes to human romance

#

and his temper i guess

worthy rose
#

resists urge to ship Winston

desert yacht
#

winston x candy kong

sterile zodiac
#

human romance?

#

lol

fringe blade
#

Imagine how exciting it will be for new players when they join the game during Archives and there are like 4-5 events to choose

#

If they put it in timeline order, it would almost be like a little story

peak escarp
#

Winston's social awkwardness makes him a more appealing character

#

makes him relatable

worthy rose
#

I imagine it'll be very disappointing to the new players coming in and seeing how much more lack luster the other events are

limpid agate
#

New players will like Halloween still

#

And maybe Lucioball

#

Anniversary has always just been an arcade update, which I am fine with.

#

Christmas/CNY were disappointing though

peak escarp
#

Halloween is the one event I wouldn't mind if they didn't change every year

#

the rest could use a makeover

somber birch
#

why dont they update events

#

what are they busy with

worthy rose
#

They do.

peak escarp
#

they said they were focusing on game balance

#

and some new features

worthy rose
#

They haven't made new events, but they try to avoid running the same thing each year.

peak escarp
#

all they do is give us new maps

#

we've had Lucioball, Junkenstein, Mei's Snowball Offensive and Capture the Flag for 3 years now

#

Archives is the only event that is new every time

worthy rose
#

Mostly variants, you can't expect new modes every time.

peak escarp
#

variants?

worthy rose
#

Wait, no

peak escarp
#

Lucioball had a minor mechanical update

#

Junkenstein gained an extra boss

worthy rose
#

I was wrong about mostly new

#

Lucioball and CTF are pretty much the same afaik

peak escarp
#

yes

worthy rose
#

Snowball offensive is the same, but they made yeti hunt for winter too

peak escarp
#

WW got a new mode 2 years ago

worthy rose
#

Junkenstein got a new boss and a new set of heroes

peak escarp
#

they're still mostly the same

worthy rose
#

And Archives has a new thing each year ofc

peak escarp
#

it doesn't have to be something big

#

it could be like a minigame - hide and seek, or Reinhardt races (or RIP tire races)

#

or Lucio volleyball

worthy rose
#

that would be amazing

peak escarp
#

those are all things I've done in custom games

peak escarp
#

the Playoverwatch tweet doesn't show the skin, it just lists the name and the rarity

worthy rose
#

wtf does the junkra skin have to do with archives

fair widget
#

i hate this skin especially for an archives addition

supple bear
#

exactly wut i was thinking

peak escarp
#

unless he was actually in the circus, this is very out of place

supple bear
#

is this like one of junkrats costumes while he was on his world robbery spree thing?

peak escarp
#

at least Lucio's skin last year was from his concept art

white cobalt
#

@peak escarp Have the epic being related to archives?

peak escarp
#

usually they are

#

the only Archives epics are Lieutenant Wilhelm and Null Sector Bastion

white cobalt
#

Yeah

#

Odd, retribution was full legendaries

supple bear
#

i feel like this skin should be for anniversary...

peak escarp
#

yeah

fringe blade
#

We really don't get enough epics

peak escarp
#

they stopped doing epics for a while

fringe blade
#

That's actually quite a shame, I find that some epics are very nice: they are neat and aren't a lot at once thrown at you, you know?

peak escarp
#

iirc in year 2 they didnt release any epics

fringe blade
#

For Archives?

peak escarp
#

for anything

fringe blade
#

Really?

#

I mean, there were the additions to the lootboxes, like the Zenyatta and Mcree, but don't know if that counts

peak escarp
#

between Uprising and the loot box update in Jan 2018, there were no epics

#

and then we didnt get epics again until . . . Summer Games 2018?

fringe blade
#

Yea

#

IMO its better if there is a balance between epics and Legendaries

peak escarp
#

that's basically a whole year

#

yes

#

epics are good

fringe blade
#

that makes the legs more unique and gives them time to work on the Legendaries more

peak escarp
#

some of my fave skins are epics

#

like Reaper's Shiver

fringe blade
#

Yea, his Hell skin is also really awesome

peak escarp
#

and Tracer's Rose

fringe blade
#

I actually really like the Mcree American skin, don't know why

#

Its really neat, IMO

#

omg

#

Scrooge

#

How did I forget

#

What an awesome skin

peak escarp
#

Scrooge is my least favorite McCree skin

fringe blade
#

Really?

peak escarp
#

it looks grungy

fringe blade
#

Now that I am looking at it, that's very true

peak escarp
#

he needs a better Winter skin

#

it's the only event he doesn't have legendary for

fringe blade
#

But my least fav. skin is definitely the vigilante/mystery man

#

they just look really silly

#

Like characters from a French or Mexican comedy movie

peak escarp
#

Mystery Man is okay

#

Vigilante is atrocious

fringe blade
#

I think its the mask that ruins it for me

devout sable
#

non-canon Archives skins is a bit... bleh

peak escarp
#

its the color for me

#

yellow is not a good color

fringe blade
#

Yes

peak escarp
#

Slignerd

#

what if it is canon

devout sable
#

Lucio and Junkrat skins both seem to be non-canon

peak escarp
#

what if Junkrat has a circus background that we didn't know about?

fringe blade
#

Might account for his insanity, lol

peak escarp
#

would explain why he can juggle

fringe blade
#

How old is he, anyway

#

25

#

Hmm

#

He's very young

devout sable
#

when exactly would he have an opportunity to join a circus?

fringe blade
#

Unless he was part of a circus as a child, I don't see it

#

And, honestly, its not that great of a skin

#

IMO

peak escarp
#

idk

#

we don't know much about him

fringe blade
#

And I think it is a disadvantage gameplay-wise, its so bright and colorful

#

It fits his profile tho

#

He is a juggler

#

You get very Joker-y kind of vibes from him

peak escarp
#

he doesn't remind me of Joker much at all

#

Joker is threatening, Junkrat is just comical

sterile zodiac
#

depends on which Joker you refer to lol

sacred hamlet
#

The new Joker :))

fringe blade
#

I mean like a circus joker

#

not THE joker

peak escarp
#

circus joker?

#

you mean clown

sacred hamlet
#

Just call him a clown dude

fringe blade
#

My bad

peak escarp
#

at least this one isn't as creepy as his Jester skins

sacred hamlet
#

Either it's pretty obvious he's supposed to look like some kind of Joker

#

Prob the Joker card itself

#

Which would be a Jester

gentle token
#

Ah yes, just like pj Mei, this skin makes me want to commit toaster bath

#

It's almost traditional this feeling now

fleet tiger
#

Junkrat the Clown is canon, but not to the specific lore we currently have. Perhaps we will learn that he had a dark, clown past before he met Roadhog.

#

Which would be insanely hilarious and why would they not do that

peak escarp
#

the Joker is always green and purple, not cyan and magenta, so I don't really see it

fleet tiger
#

This is Jamison’s take on the movie It 😂

peak escarp
#

@gentle token what's so bad about Pajamei?

#

it's cute, and aside from the gun, its canon

gentle token
#

The outfit is cute, but idk it just feels so off for this event. For anniversary I would've been fine with it

#

I'm the type where if something seems off theme to me it'll bug me for weeks ;w;

#

Or forever

peak escarp
#

this event is for canon/historical skins

gentle token
#

Yeah but the weapon isn't

#

For example gow Talon Widow looks slightly off from Talon Sombra and Doom. Love the skins but the slight off of it bugs me so much

peak escarp
#

neither is Formal Doomfist's gauntlet

gentle token
#

But that's anniversary

peak escarp
#

oh right

#

eh, I just think that's a minor detail

#

certainly not one to "commit toaster bath" over

gentle token
#

Mearly an exaggeration to express my dislike of it

#

Also was Junk ever a clown in lore?

#

At least that we know of?

#

(I'm just pumped for the Ashe and McCree skins hinted at)

sacred hamlet
#

No

#

Great chance Junk was just a normal citizen before the blast

gentle token
#

Wasn't Junk like a child at the time of the blast?

sacred hamlet
#

Not sure

#

Ask the Doc 💿 for the timelines

#

"Like many others, he was affected by the lingering radiation. This touch of madness made him ideal for handling dangerous explosives, a love which he turned into an obsession"

#

Seems like he handled explosives way before the blast

#

Don't think clowns or everyday entertainers deal with explosives that often

peak escarp
#

he was a child

#

<10

devout sable
#

there's no window for Junkrat to be a clown

#

I mean, he could've been some sort of entertainer in Junkertown

#

but a circus clown specifically? there's just no place for it

peak escarp
#

no window?

#

we don't know anything about him before his appearance in the bar in Wasted Land

#

that's 25 years of window

#

we don't even know how old he was when he found his "treasure"

limpid agate
#

Well, at least we now have definitive proof that not all Archives skins are lore skins

peak escarp
#

"definitive"

sacred hamlet
#

What skin isn't a lore skin ❔

peak escarp
#

this doesn't prove anything until Blizz/Chu either confirms or denies that Junkrat was in the circus

sacred hamlet
#

Didn't even realize a new skin for Junk came out

#

Not only does it look bad but it looks out of place for him.

#

Junk working as a clown just doesn't make sense for me.

#

Definitely have to wait for confirmation on that one

#

Maybe we'll have a cinematic dedicated to him this year

gentle token
#

The only thing I can think of is he disguised himself as a clown at some point to rob something for the treasure trap to give the queen

prisma wren
#

wait theres a new junk skin?

#

whats it like

#

nvm

#

saw it

timid eagle
#

Don’t worry. That hunk of meat (AKA Baptiste) got his Talon skin.

“I used to think that.. My life was a tragedy.”

“But now I realize.. It's a comedy.”

Junkrat, 2019

quasi siren
#

I really wish they stuck with lore based skins for archives, this Junkrat skin is out of place and gross

timid eagle
#

It feels like an Anniversary Skin.

quasi siren
#

It feels like a skin that should go in the trash

timid eagle
#

Regardless, there hasn’t been ANYTHING to suggest Junkrat had an odd job as a circus clown.

quasi siren
#

It seems random to say Junkrat is a clown

prisma wren
#

besides the fact that he laughs like a clown on crack

quasi siren
#

A skin where Junkrat dresses up as the king of Junkertown would be cool

#

Like a make shift crown and cape

#

His missing leg could be like a scepter

timid eagle
#

Like Starscream in the 80’s Transformers movie?

quasi siren
#

Owait yes

#

I found the right pic

timid eagle
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A Roadhog Outback Resistance Skin would be my pick.

quasi siren
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When's the last time mei got a new skin?

timid eagle
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Technically, it would’ve been last year’s Halloween event.

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With the Pumpkin Epic Skin.

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She also got both her ECO Point and Pyjama skins, so I think she’s good.

quasi siren
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Mm

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I'd like it if they stopped making epic skins for more legendary skins, but I know that is more expensive

timid eagle
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I personally like most of the designs for the Epic skins. Hellfire Reaper is a great one, for instance.

gentle token
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I just wish they'd add more base game items rather than event only stuff

quick isle
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I wish there was less voice lines because to be honest does anyone every use them outside of spawn?

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ever*

peak escarp
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people spam them all the time

worthy rose
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mada mada intensifies

hasty surge
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I think we will get winston and genji's overwatch skin too

worthy rose
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Hopefully.

limpid agate
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I dont think they will get skins

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The achievements seem to indicate they will be fighting in the same outfits they wore in the Doomfist Anime that takes place shortly after

hasty surge
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Hmm so what would mercy wear?

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Her normal skin?

peak escarp
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yes

fringe blade
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So would the Genji Overwatch outfit just be his default skin?

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Just curious tho @fleet tiger , how is Junkrat Clown canon?

limpid agate
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As of now

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There is 0 indication its canon other than it simply existing in the lore event

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Which isn't grounds for being canon by default

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See:

  • Equalizer
  • Scion
  • Specimen 28
  • The upcoming Bastion legendary
hasty surge
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What is this list?

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And jewvia do you have the skin count?

sacred hamlet
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Bastion's new Legendary could very well be one of the new enemy Omnic's models

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They've already done that for both Bastion and Orisa

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Specimen 28 is also related to the suits they used to wear back at the Lunar Colony so I don't see how that wouldn't work as a Lore skin.

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Equalizer could be explained as one of Lucio's earliest outfits used back at Rio.

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Scion is just formal wear and that's expected from Hanzo.

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Junk's skin is the only that seems out of place compared to everything else

teal meadow
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maybe junkrat skin is just a score outfit?

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🤔

wicked robin
valid shell
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@wicked robin ?

wicked robin
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Hmmm maybe it is

last inlet
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I wish they'd have saved it for another batch of non-event skins. Archives is the only event that means anything to Overwatch's narrative, and it's had cosmetics to refer to heroes' history.

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If they're gonna start throwing just whatever into it, then oof

wicked robin
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What if Lucia ball is an actual sport

last inlet
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🤷

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The rest of the event doesn't seem interested in whether or not Lucioball is canon in OW world. It's just summer and sports and fun

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All it really was was the team's first shot at an event-specific mode

wicked robin
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I want more events

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Like overwatch vs blackwstch

last inlet
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I'd like more lore events through the year, because this once-a-year story mode business is a hard sell for me

teal meadow
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Winter wonderland is also canon

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also junkenstein, buts just because reinhard told them a story about it

valid shell
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@teal meadow ?

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Winter Wonderland isn't canon.

last inlet
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The only canon thing about it is the first Christmas comic

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And Junkenstein is just a story in OW world

sacred hamlet
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Or is it ❔

teal meadow
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Yes it, it's still a christmas update....

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in the comic they celebrate christmas and stuff

valid shell
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Reflections was canon.

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Nothing else about Winter Wonderland is canon.

somber pilot
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I want to see how the clown skin will fit into canon

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just what did the boy see in that omnic factory

regal coyote
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@limpid agate look of Specimen 28 might not be canon but the Number 28 is, so at least the lore on it is ok

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but the rest there is no indication

rough crow
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I'm sure they'll release something that will bring the clown skin into perspective

regal coyote
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for the omnics some are more of an "echo warrior" kinda deal

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like the ones bastion and orisa have

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Alsoskin used in the mission should be the canon one

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so yeah that moira with funny hat skin should be canon

slow goblet
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Well that one makes an appearance in a comic. So I’m pretty sure Moira with a Beret is cannon

teal meadow
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Let's be honest, we don't really know anything about junkrat childhood, so maybe his parents worked at a circus or it's just an outfit he uses to rob some banks

sterile zodiac
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Moira has weird fashion and dance taste

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Wouldnt shock me too much if beret was canon

worthy rose
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The beret is canon

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you see it at the end of the retribution comic

teal meadow
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and it's also on the retribution pve

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like, why wouldn't be canon?

worthy rose
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Man Am I looking forward to this year archives event

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its the best OW event of the year

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I wonder what the story will be behind this one

teal meadow
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They already announced it

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Do you live in a cave, lad?

desert hawk
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I live in a cave

jade mortar
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i would rather be picked apart molecule by molecule than having to write another email again

supple bear
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another moira skin

peak escarp
teal meadow
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i know it's the second time she got a skin

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but it's amazing

golden pewter
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Its the same outfit from the origin trailer

supple bear
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IMO it's too boring

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the needles are cool i guess

peak escarp
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wow, people just can't be happy

golden pewter
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I like the suit , I'm also happy they're adding more sleeveless skins for her

worthy rose
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that fingertip thingy

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it looks like those spiky things on various tech

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but they are needles

peak escarp
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I'm slightly disappointed that this skin didn't include her nametag

limpid agate
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Neat.

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A little surprised she got a second skin here

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But that's mostly because of everyone speculating she would get the demon horns and me disagreeing

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This is a pleasant surprise

peak escarp
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the skin they want is basically Blackwatch with different headwear

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this is better

devout sable
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not just headwear

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the outfit in her origin short is also white rather then grey