Talon is, more than anything, a criminal syndicate
#lore-discussion
devout sable
lapis oracle
Don't get me wrong, omnics can become succesfull. But what if one wanted to self-preserve with important things like managing the finances of Talon
devout sable
@dapper shuttle I do think that Echo may be a copy of someone's consciousness
an echo, if you will
dapper shuttle
Katya Volskaya got (some of?) her tech directly from omnics, to be used, against omnics, so omnics can be assholes too
worthy rose
mhmm
peak escarp
we haven't had any indication that copying someone's consciousness is even possible, so I don't agree with the "Echo is an echo" theory
worthy rose
and if it was a copy of someone's consciousness, they wouldn't have had to get clarification from McCree about the monkey/scientist joke
peak escarp
Echo understood the joke and called him out on it
teal meadow
Oh yeah. echo exists now
devout sable
that, or she was confused about who he was talking about
one or the other
@worthy rose @dapper shuttle it's funny how similar your names are
worthy rose
we hopefully will see something about her in this one since she seemingly is a major part in Overwatch that McCree woke her up so maybe we can see what she does from either a computer thing or anything really
peak escarp
to me, her tone sounded like she was scolding McCree for calling Winston a monkey when he knows Winston doesn't like being called a monkey
worthy rose
I thought it sounded confused
peak escarp
if she was confused, answering "scientist, whatever!" would not have clarified anything
now she's in the middle of nowhere supposed to find a band with a monkey/scientist
worthy rose
Monkey to scientist she could have pieced it together since how many primate scientists do you know of?
dapper shuttle
What's always felt weird to be was that he would just "wake" her ass up, mention the Recall and leave right away. Like she's supposed to know exactly what to do, who to talk to, where to go, like she's going to catch up on all that happened since she was "gone"
worthy rose
McCree doesn't even answer questions right
peak escarp
why would McCree call him "The Monkey" to start with if he didn't think she was familiar with him?
devout sable
I mean, he just says "say hi to the monkey for me"; that doesn't exactly require Echo to be familiar with him
peak escarp
why not just say "say hi to Winston for me!"
or when she expresses confusion, say "I mean Winston"
peak escarp
Echo and McCree are using in-jokes that they're both in on
worthy rose
I mean if she has the Overwatch Database to begin with, I'd argue she would first check online for all the points and see which ones are open and which ones are not and probably fly towards Winston since she would conceivably be able to see which overwatch facilities are out of commission and which ones would be somewhat active and McCree directing her towards winston which I do think would be on file cause where else is our lovable scientists going to go?
vocal pine
It was pretty evident that she knew he was referring to Winston IMO.
devout sable
Echo doesn't need to know Winston to be told to "say hi to the monkey", or to be confused about what he means by that
nor it would be out of character for McCree to leave Echo with few details on that
worthy rose
moving this topic aside, Doc has there ever been a teaser as well as a developer's update on the same day?
peak escarp
probably? I haven't tracked the dev updates
clever silo
Hammond
I’m decently positive that they posted him coming out of his ball and the dev update on the same day a few hours apart
peak escarp
they posted that teaser really early
dapper shuttle
In the french version of Reunion McCree calls him a gorilla and when Echo asks "the gorilla?" he answers with "The scientist, well, you'll see". Echo might not know Winston
peak escarp
7 am
teal meadow
Still no develomper update
peak escarp
French version
lapis oracle
isn't it a bit soon? we jsut got some teasers
teal meadow
no it's not soon
they said early this week and normally it comes out a week exact before the event and always on tuesday
teal meadow
He said early week
timid eagle
Anyone can take a guess what Max’s voice could be?
lapis oracle
I'm hoping for a james-bond esque villain voice
timid eagle
I meant as far as tone goes. I figured he’d had a voice that was smooth as silk, but can turn on a time if something isn’t going his way.
lapis oracle
well mannered, but cold and calculated
teal meadow
i think like the guy on the payload at hollywood
peak escarp
I always imagined him having a soft, calm voice
clever silo
It’s looking pretty likely based on that last teaser that at least the basic troopers will be the same as Retribution
peak escarp
yeah
lapis oracle
It would be weird if they changed that
peak escarp
I wonder what new units we might get though
lapis oracle
judging from the things we saw from baptiste
clever silo
I think we’ll get a medic.
peak escarp
that would be interesting
have to take out the medic or have the troopers keep getting healed
river mason
So is this event gonna be the same thing in that doomfist anime/cinematic? Like when doomfist beats tracer and almost kills her and genji and Winston goes primal and beats the shit out of doomfist?
worthy rose
wat
river mason
Ah I see, it’s makes sense now.
peak escarp
Doomfist really did rise to power quickly
he kills his mentor shortly after Retribution, which is only about a year before this
frosty shell
I imagine that he took on the Scourge's power after taking the Doomfist
clever silo
My speculation is that he did something related to either Reyes or Moira to grab Morrisons attention
worthy rose
Taking out the second doomfist is pretty major
peak escarp
yeah
clever silo
Like, Doomfist trying to recruit members of Overwatch or something with the intention of trying to get Jack angry with him
peak escarp
Moira was probably tossed out after Retribution
worthy rose
I don't think Doomfist does anything
peak escarp
theres no way Jack would let her stick around
worthy rose
with the intent of getting Jack and overwatch to look at him
clever silo
I mean, trying to incite conflict is kinda his thing.
peak escarp
he wouldn't have to go after Overwatch directly for that
Overwatch tends to jump in wherever they feel like it
river mason
Didn’t doomfist lose his arm? Is that why he has the giant fist on his right arm?
peak escarp
yes, but he has a prosthetic arm under the gauntlet
But when he lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, it seemed his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition.
desert hawk
Oof)
chilly peak
it looks like only a half of his arm is prosthetic. Maybe they were able to save detached part and connect it to the body with proshetic
you can see it in 1:37
desert hawk
Tru
river mason
That’s one of my favorite cinematic by far
dapper shuttle
What's very interesting is that in the latest archives tease, what we see, the visor focusing on Max, tracking him, is part of the archives being decrypted. We're seeing through the eyes of someone from the OW strike team, tracking down and aiming at Max
Someone from OW is spying on Max
dapper shuttle
Yes totally nothing weird about that
What I'm getting at is : it may be Sojourn herself doing the recon while the strike team is waiting. Winston Mercy Genji Tracer, they're not specialized in tracking as far as we know
This may be Sojourn's doing
desert hawk
Anyone notice the only people killed in the videos are omnics?
All the humans don’t, they just get injured
peak escarp
in what videos?
teal meadow
i think he mean the shorts
desert hawk
Yeah
desert hawk
But did they Die? I thought they just got KOed or injured, not dead
clever silo
Generally when someone gets shot and falls on the ground
peak escarp
I'd be very surprised if they survived
clever silo
They’re dead
desert hawk
I guess, it’s been a while since I watched, but that’s what I thought
clever silo
Also Balderich
analog hemlock
Pour one out
peak escarp
so based on context clues
Storm Rising happens 6-7 years before Recall
between June and November
after Uprising but before Doomfist's capture
and before the Swiss HQ explosion 6 years ago
quasi siren
Would baptiste still be in talon when the overwatch swiss hq was blown up
peak escarp
probably
he seems to have left recently
I wonder what time of year Uprising happened
there isn't really anything to go off of
quasi siren
Was it talon that blew up hq or just reaper?
peak escarp
there's lots of greenery outside Jack's office, so it's probably spring/summer
we don't really know what happened with the HQ
quasi siren
Ah
peak escarp
Jack thinks Talon did it
the public thinks Jack and Reyes fighting triggered an explosion
quasi siren
I was thinking Reaper/Doomfist/Baptiste/4th talon member blowing up the hq could be a future archives event
peak escarp
Reaper wasn't Reaper yet
quasi siren
Soldier 27 then
peak escarp
and Doomfist was in prison probably
quasi siren
True
I just like to theorize about future archives mission
I love lore in games, so its fun to think about future events
peak escarp
I'm excited for the future too
wicked robin
Soldier is gay
peak escarp
and?
peak escarp
yes
iron plume
this is still pre-zen so he'll likely still be an edgelord
pseudo cipher
ah you are right about that
devout sable
he's definitely getting a new armor though
iron plume
yeah
devout sable
and I'm looking forward to that
pseudo cipher
I hope they all get new skins
iron plume
but it won't be the default so still not "current"
pseudo cipher
yea im hoping for some sass
chilly peak
@peak escarp "Reaper wasn't Reaper then". Well... he probably was.
From his bio: "He has fought in many armed conflicts in the last decades "
And not that long time ago, Blizz said it is intentional.
devout sable
the leading theory on that is that the "Reaper" was an urban legend based on Reyes's black ops missions
peak escarp
I have a theory that the Reaper was an urban legend based on Blackwatch/Reyes
and when he needed a new identity, that's the one he took
chilly peak
or current Reaper is second one. Reyes took his identity
peak escarp
could be that as well
devout sable
that's pretty unlikely though
iron plume
there's zero mentions about that
devout sable
far too similar to Doomfist
iron plume
and it would also be a rehash of DF
chilly peak
and yet Baptiste is rehash of Mercy;p
devout sable
... how exactly
last inlet
Hm. An urban legend that Jack and Ana didn't hear about
iron plume
he has similar themes
last inlet
They're surprised to find that Reaper is Reyes
iron plume
but they're approached in a very different way
peak escarp
Jack knew that Reaper was Reyes
Ana was surprised to see his face, shocked by the condition he was in
devout sable
I think Ana didn't know
chilly peak
Ana knew, but didn't know how serious it is
pseudo cipher
chu said both 76 and ana know him long enough to identify him
last inlet
He might've seen Reyes's mutations
devout sable
yep
last inlet
Or that lol
devout sable
but Ana seems caught completely off-guard by Reaper being Reyes
rough crow
I don't think she knew until she unmasked him ye
peak escarp
destruction of the Overwatch base in Switzerland, but Ana
had her doubts. Though Jack had escaped death, a specter
followed behind him… the Reaper. A killer clad all in black, his
face hidden behind a bone white mask.
Reaper had confronted Jack, and Ana had leapt to his aid.
She had subdued Reaper, wrestling him to the ground. But
when she had stripped off the ghoulish mask and seen the
ruin of a face beneath, she recognized Gabriel Reyes, a friend
and comrade she’d known just as long as Jack. Gabriel proved
to be the real phantom as he’d faded into thin air, disappearing
like a whisper.```that makes sense
rough crow
confirmerinod
peak escarp
I wonder what the win condition will be
since it's not an assassination mission or a rescue effort
dawn halo
Doctor, I think the win condition is to retrive the information relating to Doomfist, then get out before the hurricane hits while taking a fortress with the enemies getting fiercer after taking the information.
peak escarp
that sounds good
fringe blade
How do we know its not a rescue/assassination?
dawn halo
Blizzard will not repeat it unless they are going to pull something new to separate the other from it.
And considering the context and what the event will lead into, it's an intelligence gathering mission.
Which, like Doctor said earlier, will give OW a justification to go after Doomfist in the light.
peak escarp
you can't assassinate Max
he shows up later
achievements for the event are up
definitely not a Talon team
the All Heroes achievement has some good skins
Deadlock McCree, Talon Baptise, Butler Bob and Bastion?
spiral timber
are we fighting named characters?
idk how archives works
also is that really bastions logo?
peak escarp
I don't know who else it could be
missions are fighting against waves of basic units, with a special unit every so often
like the sniper, assassin, enforcer or heavy assault from Retribution
or the Detonator, Slicers, Eradicators, Bastions and OR14s from Uprising
devout sable
I really hope they made some tweaks to Uprising this time around
I really want it to have Retribution-like starting screen and lore-accurate OR14 mechanics
cunning ledge
Maybe this year they’ll add the preghost Reyes voice to the skins outside the events
We can always hope
dapper shuttle
So looks like we'll have deadlock mccree. Except, wasn't he 17yo when he got busted by Overwatch? Can we have skins "representing kids"?
devout sable
we already have that with Young Master and Sparrow
they both borrow their color palette from when Hanzo and Genji were little kids
as seen on their Archives sprays
dapper shuttle
hm good point
river mason
Is that Baptiste in the freelancers?
That also looks like Ashe and bob holy shit
Also what does reapers face look like after the reaper transformation?
frosty shell
Maybe Butler Bob is what Bob looked like when Ashe founded the Deadlock Gang
river mason
So it makes sense then that they are freelancers
Ashe is an outlaw so she can do whatever she wants
But Baptiste is in there?
rough crow
Looks like a new bastion skin
devout sable
if Tracer gets a new skin, I feel like it's gonna be called "Lieutenant Oxton"
frosty shell
but any Bob skin would have to come with an Ashe skin
white cobalt
CTF achievements
The rampage one looks like Meis
@limpid agate the freelancers ones, I can't get who are: McCree, Baptiste,???,Bob?
limpid agate
Bastion
Come on, that one was obvious
Also, that's my achievement list
THe claimed ones are old events
Rampage is Yeti Hunt
The CTF ones are from Busan CTF
limpid agate
They are new skins
Although Storm Warning's achievement
Looks like the playable 4 are in default gear
No skins for anyone there
Unless they are epic
white cobalt
Winston hasn't gotten any skin since... specimen 28?
white cobalt
Almost a year, ouch
worthy rose
fringe blade
There are 9 classified skins on the OW Archives website
fringe blade
Mcree?
gentle token
Showed my bf. He says the top left looks like it could be a Deadlock McCree skin
And the Bob could be one in more of his butler suit with Younger Ashe
tepid abyss
I'd guess the ow agents are the ai, and the playable are the other 4? That would explain the last of skins on them kinda
fringe blade
What do you mean @tepid abyss ?
gentle token
Doubt it
tepid abyss
The Bob, cree, bap and bastion all have skins there
So it would make sense for them to be the playable heroes
And the 4 ow heroes are default icons
So they could be ai
molten pendant
i feel like winston will probably get an epic
because EVERY character has gotten a skin when put into one of the archives missions
worthy rose
You do realize the the tweet we got specifically mentioned the overwatch strike team shown?
molten pendant
i dont even think winston has an archives skin unless specimen 99 or whatever was
No shit
worthy rose
The skins have to be time-consistent, so default makes no sense either way.
molten pendant
they wouldnt get default lmao
tepid abyss
Why would the icons be basic then?
I'd understand one or two but not all 4
Especially as the other 4 purposefully aren't basic
worthy rose
Looks an awful lot like Olympic-level mental gymnastics to make them AI to play against.
tepid abyss
Play vs ai is a gamemode
worthy rose
The outlines would be the same in epic skins.
And this is an Archives mission, not play vs. ai.
tepid abyss
Weird to give the 4 playable heroes only epics
molten pendant
mercy winston and genji all have skins that go with an archives event
molten pendant
i mean tracer, not winston
limpid agate
Look at the anime, they wore their defaults there
worthy rose
They did in the past.
limpid agate
As well as in the Cinematic Trailer
molten pendant
the cinematic trailer in the museum?
worthy rose
The first Archives, which I can't remember the name of for some reason, had at least two epics.
molten pendant
that was supposed to be like JUST RECENT tho, storm rising is obv something in the past
or maybe not, it'd make sense if it were
idk
worthy rose
Sorry, I thought Cadet Oxton was along with the Rein one.
But there is precedent for epics in Archives.
peak escarp
they are 100% the heroes we're playing as in story mode
the Deadlock McCree skin could be their chance to fix the mistake with his tattoo
assuming he has it by then
sacred hamlet
Unfortunate
Still a new Archives mission nonetheless so that's cool
Although I still don't understand the Freelancers achievement
peak escarp
we'll get some character development for those 4, from their interactions
that's for beating it with 8 different heroes on All Heroes mode
limpid agate
Although I still don't understand the Freelancers achievement
Its the same it is every year
Beat it with other heroes in all heroes
sacred hamlet
Oh
peak escarp
it isn't saying that those heroes are freelancers
sacred hamlet
I thought you had to use the appropriate heroes with the new skins
peak escarp
that's just the name of the achievement
sacred hamlet
Which sounded weird
I'm glad Winston is finally getting some more room to voice himself though
peak escarp
only Story mode forces you to use the appropriate skins, because you don't get to choose your skins
sacred hamlet
Last time he actually felt relevant was on the Release trailer
Sucks that Mercy and Tracer are coming back though
peak escarp
I'm excited to see how this leads into them capturing Doomfist
sacred hamlet
Mercy acts like a right man most of the time and she manages to be boring at it
peak escarp
Genji was in last year's event
limpid agate
I want to see what they do with Max
sacred hamlet
He changes a lot between Retribution and current OW
limpid agate
Is he a boss? Is he hero 31? Is he just in a cutscene like Antonio?
sacred hamlet
Seems he won't be a boss
Unless beating him just means capturing
He canonically can't die
limpid agate
I wonder if he will mention Casino
Depending on his age, he may be a racer at this point in time
limpid agate
sharp vector
what if rien was as fast as sonic
limpid agate
!!shitposting @sharp vector
twilit nacelleBOT
@sharp vector Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
sharp vector
im not shitposting tbh
tame portal
this kinda is shitposting
sharp vector
really?
gentle token
Very much so
gentle token
This chat is pretty serious for the most part, with a little wiggle room
No worries
sharp vector
😄
peak escarp
Casino is one of the pilots in MEKA
limpid agate
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twilit nacelleBOT
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peak escarp
he likely has a connection to Max, considering his mech is named after Monacan royalty
sacred hamlet
Oh, I thought we were talking about the casino in the Masquerade comics
peak escarp
also because he's named Casino
gentle token
Same here
peak escarp
and Monaco is famous for F1 racing and casinos
Monaco is Max's home turf
depends how old Casino is though - if he's DVa's age, he'd only be 13 st the time of Storm Rising
I wouldn't put him any older than 25
limpid agate
25 - 6 = 19
gentle token
He definitely looks to be the eldest of the group, which just may be the art style, but still young
limpid agate
He can be as young as 24
zinc ledge
Then again do Omnics really age?
gentle token
We're discussing a human, but in terms of omnics I guess no? Orisa, if you want to count her, is only a month, Zen is 21, and no child omnics have been seen from what I recall
limpid agate
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twilit nacelleBOT
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peak escarp
Zen is 20
zinc ledge
The lore could be so deep and they just do nothing with it
peak escarp
I always figured DMon was the oldest
zinc ledge
Even if they dont wanna make comics. Just make little info dump 'Files'
Stylized and such
zinc ledge
I'm not asking for a new cinematic every week
But by god what we get now is so slow
Didn't they hire a new writer last year? Alyssa something
sacred hamlet
Remember when Cinematics every week were a thing in 2016
My poor marketing cinematics
sacred hamlet
Which is fine to be honest
zinc ledge
That is life
sacred hamlet
I'd rather get more text than cinematics
zinc ledge
Baptists self congratulating voice line is solid gold
sacred hamlet
They could also work more on game interactions since once again
peak escarp
Remember when Cinematics every week were a thing in 2016
sacred hamlet
hammond and winston still have no interactions
peak escarp
yeah for like 2 weeks
zinc ledge
They dont?
sacred hamlet
aside from one miserable ❓
zinc ledge
I coulda swor they had at least 2 or 3
sacred hamlet
Only one
zinc ledge
Maybe I'm misrememebring
peak escarp
interactions are based on VA availability
sacred hamlet
Winston literally just says Hammond and he squeaks back
Thank you Blizzard videogames
peak escarp
and with 31+ actors to wrangle, that's tricky
sacred hamlet
I can clearly see the engaging friendship of these two
zinc ledge
It's weird how Hammond has a VA
zinc ledge
The ball nonwithstanding
sacred hamlet
Not sure how they'll even make Hammond work
Unless they reutilize squeaks
Which people will point out
peak escarp
what do you mean?
sacred hamlet
Hammond himself has a voice actor
zinc ledge
I think after Dee Bradley Baker makes enough squeak sound effects. They could totaly start reclipping it
sacred hamlet
He makes the squeaking
peak escarp
Hammond's VA squeaks out every line
zinc ledge
Which I still find funny
sacred hamlet
Yes
zinc ledge
Imagine the script
peak escarp
they don't recycle clips
sacred hamlet
I'm saying that with Hammond, they could recycle the squeaks and get away with it
peak escarp
watch the VA Q&A panel from Blizzcon 2018 - he talks about the process
zinc ledge
Here's a better question. What about Bastion? His VA left the company awhile ago
sacred hamlet
They're already getting away with recycling events anyways
zinc ledge
Chris something
sacred hamlet
They're clearly unstoppable
peak escarp
Chris Metzen
zinc ledge
Yeah
zinc ledge
Then again with Bastion. I think a literal no name janitor could voice him one day. They can edit the beeps to sound just perfectly fine
peak escarp
the voice would sound different
zinc ledge
How
sacred hamlet
Everyone's voice sounds different after a while anyways
peak escarp
because its someone else's voice
sacred hamlet
Just game development things
zinc ledge
It's gonna be weird in 10 years when some of the characters voice lines sound off compared to older ones
peak escarp
Chris's voice is modulated, but it's still his voice
sacred hamlet
No one really
peak escarp
they have a Bastion voice modulator in the Overwatch museum they have at the Blizzard campus
zinc ledge
Exactly
sacred hamlet
It'd bother some nitpickers but it'd be fine
zinc ledge
I want a hero voiced by the Willfromafar text to speech program
peak escarp
you can try it out yourself and hear your voice as Bastion
zinc ledge
Imagine that
Can make new lines any time
No scheduling issues
Don't even have to pay im
Genius
I know I've asked this before. But while I have your attentions.... how did Hammond keep his identity a secret in Junkertown
sacred hamlet
By not coming out of his ball I guess
zinc ledge
Wouldn't they find that weird after awhile? Plus the ball wasn't always a robot
It use to be just a pod. Hammond had to engineer it into a mec h
limpid agate
He built the mech in what appears to be Bruce's Wreckyard
sacred hamlet
Honestly no idea why never questioned the fact that a robotic looking ball was rolling over all the competition
zinc ledge
And that makes me wonder why he never snitched
sacred hamlet
Junkerqueen probably knows as well but adad
limpid agate
Hammond probably asked him not to
sacred hamlet
Asking how exactly
limpid agate
With the interpreter
zinc ledge
And what is compelling him to keep silent other than a little rodents pretty please
sacred hamlet
He had the interpreter that early ❔
peak escarp
Bruce is an upstanding guy
sacred hamlet
How do you even build an interpreter with scrap anyways
limpid agate
Who said he built it
sacred hamlet
So where did he get it then
zinc ledge
Like I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE that Bruce is keep quiet out of amusement. But what I'm skeptical about is how no one else is suspicious
limpid agate
Hammond did not create the AI in his mech.
Horizon Lunar Colony. Obviously.
He was there for a couple years.
The scientists surely would have communicated with him
sacred hamlet
So the hamster ball he had since the beginning already had AI
zinc ledge
I don't think so
He built the ball AI after landing
He's smart. He could do it with scrap in Junkertown
sacred hamlet
Seems his Lunar Colony Escape Pod already had the AI
peak escarp
Junkertown takes apart bots
limpid agate
@peak escarp Do you have the source for Chu's post about Hammond not making the AI?
The one I put on the wiki was deleted
peak escarp
it would make sense that they use bots for parts
sacred hamlet
Nice link
peak escarp
zinc ledge
That doenst explain how nobody except MAYBE Bruce knows about Hammonds idneity
sacred hamlet
Probably only Bruce and the Queen know that
peak escarp
the queen knowing would help things
zinc ledge
Bruce I can understand keeping quiet if he knows
sacred hamlet
Although no one questioning a Robotic Looking ball with no driver in sight is pretty dumb
zinc ledge
The queen knowing I'm skeptical on
peak escarp
she could issue an edict against asking about the identity of Wrecking Ball
zinc ledge
True
sacred hamlet
Wrecking Ball brings in the viewers
No reason for her to kick a rat out
It's not an omnic anyways
zinc ledge
Ok fair point
Now I wish we had a cinematic or at least a comic of her learning. Imagine the reaction
sacred hamlet
Junkertown is all about anarchy and leading your own life
zinc ledge
Where did the Queen get all that Gold anyhow
She has a god damn scrooge mcduck gold coin room
peak escarp
she's a former champion
zinc ledge
And where did the Junkers get gold from
peak escarp
from each other
sacred hamlet
From the spoils of war
peak escarp
and from robbing people
zinc ledge
They are survivalist. Gold has no use to them other than bling
But enough gold to fill a big room up to your chin in?
gentle token
Probably still used as money given that stores and such exist
Queen probably has it for riches and for show
sacred hamlet
"They thought they could our land and give it to the machines. They were wrong, we won the war; and now we rip the spoils"
zinc ledge
I'm not asking what she uses it for. It's clearly a display of power. I'm asking where it came from
dense estuary
tbh we have no clue how monetary systems work in OW. the refreshment booth in the Hollywood map still shows prices with dollar signs.
probably came from some collection
zinc ledge
THAT much gold?
sacred hamlet
To be honest we could first question where Junkertown gets all its food
zinc ledge
I'm gonna assume fishing rivers and lakes for 3 eyed fish
limpid agate
Australia still exists.
Sydney is still a normal city
They could just... Buy food and ship it in
dense estuary
well for example when people have found those galleons the gold coins go somewhere and I doubt they get melted
sacred hamlet
And I'm guessing the outside world would still trade with the Junkers then
limpid agate
Why wouldn't they
gentle token
Valuable materials
limpid agate
And they have money to spend
sacred hamlet
You'd think someone would have done something to them
dense estuary
they are still customers and if their money is good than a person will sell to them.
zinc ledge
Junkers. Honestly. Are just best left alonr
Most of them don't seem to leave the outback
They keep to themself
dense estuary
currently they do not pose enough of a threat o waste energy on deploying a strike team against.
zinc ledge
Exactly
limpid agate
Its not like they're illegal
zinc ledge
Just let the mad maxers do their thing
limpid agate
They're not raiding Sydney
zinc ledge
While radiation kills em
sacred hamlet
Isn't Anarchy kind of illegal
limpid agate
sacred hamlet
I don't know~
If I knew there were a bunch of anarchistic psychopaths on part of my land
zinc ledge
That's like asking if this red crayon writes in blue
dense estuary
if anarchy were illegal there would be no stock exchanges.
sacred hamlet
I'd probably be concerned
gentle token
The idea of anarchy isn't illegal, but trying to actively overthrow a goverment is
sacred hamlet
Guess it really depends if a part of Junkertown tends to raid or not
dense estuary
odds are the land they are on is not owned by anybody, Except maybe the AUS government
limpid agate
Odds are
Its their own land they used to own
That was given to the Omnics
And then they took it back
zinc ledge
The Junkers are lawless for the most part. But don't actively cause trouble for other nations. They aren't enough of a problem to exterminate. They aren't open for negotiation. The best course of action for a government to take Is just ignore them
limpid agate
The government probably doesn't care anymore
dense estuary
there is that too, They took back what belonged to them
gentle token
Junker land is for the most part a nuclear wasteland most likely deemed unliveable, so government most likely doesn't care to get it back or do anything about it like Sachivia said
zinc ledge
Just ignore them 4head
Let them play raider in their sandbox
And move on when they all die
I wonder just HOW organized junkertown is
sacred hamlet
I was gonna suggest the Junkers could pro create like any other living being on the planet
zinc ledge
Like yeah. The queen rules and all that. But do they have a census or something along those lines
sacred hamlet
But that just sounds weird
zinc ledge
....
Yes
Very weird
What does that have to do with the Junkers organization
Even going down that rabbit hole. They are all horribly irradiated
And likely have health issues
sacred hamlet
That they don't just die off in one generation
That's the purpose of procreation I think
peak escarp
they've only been irradiated for about 1 generation
zinc ledge
Still doesn't change the fact that they got problems
peak escarp
the omnium got blown up about 20-25 years ago
zinc ledge
Roadhog is unusually giant. Fat. And has breathing problems
sacred hamlet
Aren't most Junkers part of that explosion though
zinc ledge
Junkrat has charred skin
peak escarp
maybe he was unusually large before the explosion
I've seen guys who are big like that
zinc ledge
Roadhog has a giant machete on his back that he never uses
sacred hamlet
An exaggerated exaggeration
zinc ledge
I find that odd
peak escarp
I knew one in high school. His name was Brent. He was kinda a jerk
zinc ledge
Roadhog I think is the only character in the game who has more lines of him laughing than speaking
Makes sense given who he is
sacred hamlet
Did he happen to be 8 feet tall and be as wide as 2 doors
'Cause if yes, Brent is kind of unusual
zinc ledge
Roadhog is strong as hell all things considered
peak escarp
Roadhog isn't 8 feet tall
peak escarp
he's 7'2"
zinc ledge
Still hella tall
sacred hamlet
Yes
zinc ledge
He also can fire entire globs of scrap metal from a custom firearm without braking his wrist
Dear god what if he's stronger than all the other tanks
sacred hamlet
Still not stronger than Winston
sacred hamlet
That's why Winston wins against everyone
zinc ledge
Roadhog legs also can hold up his entire body mass with no signs of difficulty
sacred hamlet
Goes mad = wins
zinc ledge
That primal rage can't be healthy
If you got super buff and big every time you got mad you would have some serious issues
But in terms of raw unaided strrngth
Roadhog might be the strongest
zinc ledge
He is for sure stronger than D.va or Hammond. Probably stronger than Rein. Maybe stronger than Zarya, Orisa, And regular Winston
Rein Is old and aided by a suit of armor
He's still strong but I wouldn't bet on him
peak escarp
physically strongest? Zarya
zinc ledge
Like i said: maybe
peak escarp
not counting augmented humans or omnics
zinc ledge
I'm talking out of the tank heroes. Without any aid
peak escarp
then Orisa
zinc ledge
Hammond is dead last. For he is a hamster
peak escarp
omnics are stronger than humans
also Winston
genetically enhanced gorillas are stronger than humans
zinc ledge
You do raise a good point though. Orisa is strong enough to stop an entire moving car
But that might be more leg power and weight
peak escarp
hell Zenyatta is probably stronger than all of them, depending on the physical strength of his model of omnic
zinc ledge
Ehhh
I doubt it
Years of meditation has hardly done him any physical favors
As much as the mental ones
cold frigate
true
zinc ledge
No. But it's likely that his frame is aged
peak escarp
they could bend metal beams if that's what they're made for
zinc ledge
And not as good as it may have been
peak escarp
we don't know what he was made for
zinc ledge
What kind of metal are Omnics made of anyways
peak escarp
he wasn't made to be a monk
zinc ledge
Nickel? Steel?
zinc ledge
Omnics must hate travling on airlines. Metal detector checkpoints
zinc ledge
Or worse. An omnic man takes up treasure finding as a hobby only to realize why buying a metal decteror is a bad idea
cold frigate
i just saw the most illogically hilarious thing ever
cold frigate
OH NOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
zinc ledge
To be fair they probably already do
cold frigate
yeah maybe
zinc ledge
If left alone. Teens will get off with anything
cold frigate
ppl will do anything
cold frigate
yeah who's hyped for the storm rising event
zinc ledge
What happend to the first Doomfist
cold frigate
?
zinc ledge
The savior
cold frigate
true
peak escarp
we don't know what happened to the Savior
cold frigate
i highly doubt it
zinc ledge
Just as an epic in joke. Terry Crews should voice Savior Doomfost
cold frigate
hmmm
cold frigate
lmao that would be amazing
zinc ledge
Why doesn't Doomfist current have skins refrncing the first and second Doomfists
It's so obvious
peak escarp
the Scourge was left handed
cold frigate
and he's dead
zinc ledge
I know. But they could still make a skin inspired by the Scourge appearance
cold frigate
ooh yes please
zinc ledge
We need a boxer Doomfist skin
With the Nigerian flag colors for his trunks
And a big boxing glove arm
Anniversary skin?
peak escarp
more appropriate for summer games
peak escarp
he should get a skin that references his background in martial arts
zinc ledge
Maybe we will get to hear max speak
I'm just awaiting some crispy. Boss sounding Italian baritone
That sounds like he could literally buy away your freedom if he felt like it
zinc ledge
He's from Monoaco I believe
peak escarp
they speak French there
zinc ledge
But isint Monaco in italy?
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
it's on the coast of France
zinc ledge
Alright. A crispy and suave French bariotone
That commands respect
What's Max doing in Havana anyways
zinc ledge
But why go there in person
zinc ledge
Why not do it remotely. Going is how they get ya
Kinda a shame we already know there doomed to fail
They will not catch max
At least not for goos
Good*
There must be something VERY important there for him to see to it himself
I'm gonna assume it's something related to high level blackmail or such
He's going there not only to money launder but to meet with someone
peak escarp
the mission isn't to kill/capture Max
sacred hamlet
Or in the end they just capture Max and he escapes some time later
peak escarp
well, we don't really know what the mission is
but it's definitely not an assassination mission
zinc ledge
The mission is to dig up dirt on Doomfist
And to do that. They're gonna track Maxs money activities
sacred hamlet
"After the King's Row Uprising, Overwatch struggled to arrest Doomfist. Overwatch agent Sojourn recommended that they instead capture Doomfist by targeting Maximilien, and she sends a strike team to arrest him."
peak escarp
but what does that mean
sacred hamlet
This is what's on the Wiki right now
peak escarp
you can do that without sending a strike team
zinc ledge
I think what it means is that Doomfist is in hiding
And that Max hasn't legally been convicted of anything. But overwatch knows of his connections
And Max knows where Doomfist is
Max is a very hands off guy. Never get your hands dirty - that's how they get ya
He's chessing everything in the background if that makes sense
Playing it smart and all that
Still cant explain why he is personally going to Havana. But I guess we will just have to find out
@sacred hamlet I JUST realized your pfp isint The Rock and now I feel stupid
sacred hamlet
Quite a WEIRD assumption
zinc ledge
The one eyebrow raised. The black hair. My mind just kinda auto filled it in
sacred hamlet
I'm also still confused about the whole Capture Max thing
Are they trying to bait Doom in
zinc ledge
No
zinc ledge
I think they might just be recon watching him
MAYBE capture him?
Cause the issue I'm seeing is that if they capture max. What's stopping them from arresting him
They know he's doing illegal things
So I'm gonna assume that IF they capture max. Maybe some talon agents show up like Widow and save his ass
sacred hamlet
He probably will end up being arrested canonically
zinc ledge
And you have to escape while avoiding widow scoped shots from an AI
sacred hamlet
But like every villain ever he'll escape after a while
zinc ledge
Doubtful
He's more of a mobster than a cartoon villain like Doomfist or Repaer
He either is simply legally untouchable
Or he just bribes for an easy sentence
Or maybe max is one step ahead and has body doubles
Seems like a mobster man thing to do
Savvy?
My question is. Why. Why is Maxamillain like this?
Is it the money? Some grander idea of power?
Maxamillian seems like one of those long term villains. One who's gonna be real important in a few years when the story gets going
sacred hamlet
Talon's whole thing seems like shifting the world in some way
zinc ledge
But why
sacred hamlet
They definitely want power
Hopefully Maxmillien does shine this year
But all of Talon's members click quite well with Talon's ideals
sacred hamlet
They're not there for riches or personal gain
zinc ledge
Widow is just a shell who listens to orders
sacred hamlet
Yeah Widow is the only Talon member with no purpose really
zinc ledge
The former Doomfist was after profit
sacred hamlet
Which breaks current Talon's ideals
zinc ledge
Baptiste, before turning good, was just a man with nowhere else to go in life
sacred hamlet
Baptiste was just a soldier though
What really matters in the end are the ones behind the scenes
The big heads of Talon
zinc ledge
Moira is after science not burdened by ethics
zinc ledge
Sanjay is after....something yet to be known
I swear Sanjay becoming a playable tank is just a bomb waiting to be blown
It writes itself
sacred hamlet
Not sure they'd add another Vishkar member to the crew
sacred hamlet
Feels like Symmetra already fills that gap
And the "Hard-Light" concept is already wasted enough
zinc ledge
Hard Light is Infinte in potential. You can do literally anything with it
sacred hamlet
Which is why it's already wasted on Symmetra
zinc ledge
Viskar makes BUILDINGS out of it. Amoung other thjngs
sacred hamlet
She's already had 6 abilities throught OW's history
sacred hamlet
But they all just keep being replacd over and over again
zinc ledge
That's Symmetra. This is Sanjay we are talking about
sacred hamlet
I'm saying that making a character with so much potential as Symmetra only have 2 abilities is just kinda dumb
Yeah the problem is that they'd make Sanjay also have the linear kit that Symmetra has
There's no creativity with it
zinc ledge
So? Doesn't mean the design can't be solid
peak escarp
they could give him a suit of armor made of hard light
zinc ledge
There can be if they put their minds to it
peak escarp
and give him a traditional projectile gun
zinc ledge
If you want my personal easy way. Just give Sanjay all of Symmetras old gear retooled for a 450 hp hero and go from there
sacred hamlet
They should at least try harder this time
If Sanjay were to be a tank, it'd be cool if he could create his own barriers
Maybe platforms as well
sacred hamlet
Draw them into reality
zinc ledge
And her shield generator
Do you see what I'm getting at here? Her old kit would be great for a tank
zinc ledge
I don't think they were horrible
Just didn't work with a squishy symm
MAYBE they'd work better on a more beefy hero
sacred hamlet
They're still incredibly boring
zinc ledge
They could go any number of directions. That is just one suggestion
sacred hamlet
Like I said, let Sanjay "draw" his own barriers
Let him construct platforms
Give him the same flexibility that Hammond has with his hook
zinc ledge
Ehhh
sacred hamlet
Actually make the Hard-Light concept interesting
zinc ledge
I think we should have another slower paced tank
zinc ledge
Not objecting
Honestly. Soundquake would be a good slower tank
People use to toss his name around in speculation all the time
sacred hamlet
Never heard of him
zinc ledge
He was mentioned in the first cinematic
Allegedly has some wicked strong chest missles
He could be dope
sacred hamlet
So Bastion
sacred hamlet
What is it supposed to be then
zinc ledge
A giant robot
You know that old 'Wildebeest' sketch from that concept poster?
Big and red?
Something like that
sacred hamlet
So he's just launch one huge missile as an ability
Or maybe an Ult
Sounds too much like Pharah, Soldier and Bastion to me
zinc ledge
It would do what a tank ult does. Make a lot of space
sacred hamlet
Like it's literally just launch an explosive where you're aiming
zinc ledge
It wouldn't be the only part of his kit
He would have more. Obviously
Personally? I'd like to see him with a barrier that gains max health as he does damage
And as a personal dream of mine: wrist mounted flamethrowers
Just imagine that shit
sacred hamlet
A tick damage character is really what I'd most want right now
Flamethrower, gas
That kind of stuff
After playing Caustic for the first time in Apex I got really interested in that Hazmat dude in OW's Trailer
peak escarp
so we have an answer for the symbol that Max has on his lapel
sacred hamlet
He could also stand independently in OW's world instead of just being part of Talon
Which every morally BAD character right now belongs t o
Isn't it jus a Pi
zinc ledge
Not yet
@sacred hamlet they originally designed Hammond with flamethrowers
They're gonna do it. They've been toying with the idea of a flamethrower hero clearly
sacred hamlet
Would have been better than his current guns that's for sure
peak escarp
it's ₶
zinc ledge
His guns are fine as is
peak escarp
the symbol for a French medieval currency
zinc ledge
I think they fit
peak escarp
zinc ledge
If he was too short ranged. Why not just pick Winston at that point
A flamethrower Tank would work best as a crowd controlling muscle
Not A flying diver
worthy rose
@sacred hamlet Both Ashe and Roadhog are heroes that are objectively evil, but not affiliated with Talon. Conversely, both Moira and Sombra are with Talon, but neither of them is inherently evil.
timid eagle
Sombra is an asshole, though.
worthy rose
Truth.
sacred hamlet
I was talking more about a socio slash psychopath Evil rather than an Outlaw one like Ashe
Road is more neutral than anything for me
sacred hamlet
He doesn't hesitate to kill, but he's not out there killing puppies
I don't see where you're getting this Hog is evil stuff
worthy rose
That applies to pretty much everyone.
Reaper's goal in life is not to kill puppies, but we can all agree he is evil.
worthy rose
Roadhog literally laughs when he hooks someone and blows their head off with bits of metal.
sacred hamlet
And less edgy overall
I don't see the problem in the man enjoying his killing
He's there for that reason anyways
He's a survivor after all
worthy rose
Then how can you call Reaper evil?
He has his goals and doesn't hesitate to kill to get to them, but he isn't just running around killing everyone.
sacred hamlet
Reaper's hunting down OW Members because he hates their guts
worthy rose
So?
sacred hamlet
I mean, I don't see the problem here
worthy rose
He uses "the ends justify the means" as an excuse to try and start a war and make the world a better place.
sacred hamlet
It's like calling an army evil for fighting for their country
They're getting paid, it's their job.
Road just decides to enjoy it
I wouldn't call Doomfist evil either
worthy rose
If he isn't evil, then why is he in Talon?
sacred hamlet
Yeah I should rephrase what I said
Talon itself isn't evil evil
But they're the baddies overall
I want an independent baddie
worthy rose
If going around and killing things to take their stuff isn't evil, what is?
sacred hamlet
Hog and Junk are just assholes looking for money
I don't consider them evil
I'd call Evil like
zinc ledge
Evil has many shades
worthy rose
I wouldn't consider them full-on Evil with a capital E, but they're definitely south of neutral.
zinc ledge
Impure?
sacred hamlet
Kidnapping someone, cutting their limbs off, sending them to their families in a box, filming it and taking immense joy out of it