2 in game character that matter
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
U can count Tracer's girlfriend if u want
and the CEO and his husband
but genuinely they're just there to normalize lgbt while also moving story along or add stakes
worthy rose
he's married
supple bear
sooooo
worthy rose
to another dude so i say gay
supple bear
ok
worthy rose
safe claim i think
supple bear
So what was the CEO framed for exactly?
worthy rose
if i remember correctly, just misusing funds and bribing government officials and seizing private property
standard politician fare
currently he's the now the CEO of lumerico and former president of mexico
which is neat
fringe blade
Is Archives starting next Tuesday on the 9th or the Tuesday after that?
peak escarp
probably the 16th
peak escarp
I just realized a flaw in my assumption of the pattern for Archives
worthy rose
hmm
peak escarp
I had been assuming that Archives started on the 2nd Tuesday of April
but it looks like this year it will be on the 16th, which is the 3rd Tuesday
however, there is one thing that Apr 11, 2017, Apr 10, 2018 and Apr 16, 2019 all have in common
they're all the 3rd-to-last Tuesday in April
this year April has 5 Tuesdays
(of course if it doesn't launch on the 16th then my original pattern still holds and I just had an eureka moment over nothing)
worthy rose
I'm both impressed and concerned at how you picked this up because this seemed random as hell to me
peak escarp
I was looking at my calendar and it gave me an epiphany
I'm good at noticing patterns
teal meadow
I'm not gonna ignore that maybe they delayed of one week because it needed some extra works
i like to think that way
but if it's a recycle i might be very disappointed
iron plume
they didn't "delay" it, 16th was the plan for a while
teal meadow
as doctor_six said, they usually released it on the second week of april, not the third
iron plume
that doesn't make it a delay
teal meadow
and considering they haven't confirmed anywhere why it starts later, it might be a reason
paper gazelle
A recycle? Jeff kind of implied there's gonna be something new
teal meadow
Exactly my point mystic
if it's a recycle (because the leak of the starting date with the retribution icon seems to be true) would suck
forgive me for my bad english, but i'm sleepy af
teal meadow
i wont be even mad if it's a recycle, i just want more lore from it
paper gazelle
Well if it's a recycle then people would riot and ragequit anyways
I'm sure the devs know this
teal meadow
Well, quit no.... considering a lot of people would be still happy about the 4 gamemodes lol
teal meadow
but disappointed? yes
paper gazelle
Anyways
Someone claimed that he found a leak for this year's Archives lore
That indicates it's gonna be about Talon
paper gazelle
But I'm not sure it's true
iron plume
is it the achievement picture with moira
that is absolutely fake
it's not even a good one
iron plume
the achievement picture "leak" with four members had moira
in addition to Baptiste, Sombra and Doomfist
teal meadow
i hardly belive they will make moira as a pve character anytime soon
paper gazelle
Wait
I thought it didn't
O wait
Ok then that's most likely fake
Also archives is about the history of Overwatch, no?
iron plume
This one, right?
teal meadow
yeah, but ow also have some informations about talon, i guess
iron plume
it's not "most likely" fake
paper gazelle
Yep
paper gazelle
Right sorry for the understatement
iron plume
As for a talon mission, Archives aren't necessarily about OW's own missions
they're OW's archives but those can have data on groups of interest
teal meadow
i remember when in the first uprising event, they leaked the entire french trailer a day before it was announced
iron plume
that happens fairly often
teal meadow
and everyone was getting hyped af because they thought it was a story mode
yeah, but last year they didn't managed to get leaked
paper gazelle
Like how I remember Chinese players leaked the name for the 2nd archives event
teal meadow
same as this year, apparently
paper gazelle
That's alr so common to the point it's the norm
teal meadow
Wait what? They leaked last year event?
devout sable
@iron plume what is the one to the left of Baptiste even supposed to be?
iron plume
Moira, presumably
devout sable
that makes no sense
iron plume
yep
regal coyote
think the leaked archievement is msotly fake
teal meadow
That can't be moira because there would be 2 healers on a pve so...
i think that should be rasembles a widow, but she already got her talon skin so
No
supple bear
Mostly fake?
worthy rose
Baptiste, Sombra, Widow, and Doomfist is a more likely pairing given a logical time frame of events
prisma moth
is there any explanation to why zarya has pink hair?
like was she dumped in a chemical plant and came out with pink hair
iron plume
limpid agate
@prisma moth ^
prisma moth
that's not creative at all đ
prisma moth
what's her origin?
limpid agate
!!loreheroes zarya
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/zarya#story
prisma moth
ahh I am on a school wifi and that's blocked, gotta check it out tomorrow
limpid agate
Aleksandra was born in a remote Siberian village that was on the front lines of the Omnic Crisis, which began some thirty years ago. Although Russian forces defeated the robots and shut down their omnium, the region was devastated by the conflict. Only a child at the time, Aleksandra was surrounded by the post-war destruction, and as she grew older, she swore that she would gain the strength to help her people recover.
Focusing on weightlifting and bodybuilding, Aleksandra was identified by the national athletics program as a potential star. She trained extensively, moving up the ranks while representing her country, and was expected to shatter longstanding records in the upcoming world championships.
But on the eve of the tournament, an attack came from the long-dormant Siberian omnium, and her village was thrust into war once again. Aleksandra immediately withdrew from the competition and rushed home to enlist in the local defense forces, sacrificing the life of fame and fortune she might have had.
Now she servesâa symbol to some, a stalwart fellow soldier to others. But for Aleksandra, it is a chance to use her great strength to protect the ones she loves.
that doesn't work without a role
prisma moth
ahh I gtg I'll ask about it later
worthy rose
She wants pink hair cause she wants pink hair
i dont get why that's difficult to understand
iron plume
it's from an omnic attack, presumably
FWIW she doesn't have it in her Olympian skins, so it's probably recent rather than from the childhood attack
worthy rose
tfw the world's strongest woman, a Russian olympian, war hero and patriot, wielder of a physics war machine, has her pink hair questioned of all things
Ya know, I think she's earned the right as far as Russia is concerned
peak escarp
. . . I wrote out a whole thing about my prediction on the pattern being wrong and EdgyBoy didn't actually read it
my whole point was that Archives doesn't start on the 2nd Tuesday
fossil isle
Archives last year started around our Finals. so i'll know its begun when Im dying to play Overwatch instead of studying ahaha
limpid agate
If we havent gotten a teaser yet, we will probably get it next week
And the week after will be the event
worthy rose
Yery
teal meadow
@peak escarp i probably didn't read it because i only join here often for the archives stuff
But not that often to read everything
dawn halo
What will happen when the Second Omnic Crisis goes global?
peak escarp
probably similar to what happened when the first Omnic Crisis broke out
assuming Overwatch isn't there to stop it
dawn halo
But how will the second be different from the first beyond the technological advances?
peak escarp
why would it be different?
dawn halo
If we go by what you assume Blizzard is treating the Omnic Crisis like, paralleling it to WWI = First OC and WWII = Second OC. There were differences between those two wars that affected how it coursed and evented.
peak escarp
maybe there will be omnics siding with the humans this time (or more omnics siding with humans, if there were any in the first crisis)
dawn halo
Also unlike the first, the second has been boiling for some time on a limited scale, so I think countries will take the threat more seriously if it spills over into an actual crisis rivialing or surpassing the actual Omnic Crisis.
Possibly their militaries more prepared for a war against militaristic omnics by adopting Overwatch tactics used against omnics (if they are ever revealed.)
fast crater
Hey guys, Im doing a short survey on OW players and their experience with the lore (specifically conflict between humanity and Omnics) for a college course on AI and media. I was hoping maybe some of you guys could help me out since youre into that stuff. Its super short (like 2 mins) and anonymous. If you dont want to do it thats cool, but heres the link if you're interested
Link to survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PWRSTSB
teal meadow
@peak escarp as i also said near there i was sleepy so i might have forgotten or ignored by mistake
So forgive me
worthy rose
Do we know if Sombra has anything to do with Junkrat, does she know what his treasure is? What even is his treasure?
peak escarp
Junkrat and Roadhog took advantage of the riots that Sombra organized during the activation of the power plant
but we don't know if they've ever met
nobody knows what Junkrat's treasure is
maybe not even Junkrat
mystic summit
wtf that name is long
marsh imp
peak escarp
Hanzo was never in Overwatch
Genji left shortly before Overwatch fell 5 years ago, but it seems like he's coming back to join Winston
dawn halo
Will we ever see any times where Overwatch had a hard time keeping world peace like missions where it takes more than six agents to complete the mission or even a massive chunk of the group itself?
peak escarp
idk
supple bear
I hope the next archives event is only a 2 or 3 man group
dawn halo
Will there be an Archives where everything is hopeless for the heroes and have to go against the odds to complete it?
peak escarp
I don't think they're going to break with the current format
at its core, Overwatch is a team-based game
so having a team of people for PvE is better than having just 2-3
dawn halo
But certain players are breaking it apart.
But will we have an archives darker than what we have seen so far?
supple bear
Wouldn't having some solo PvE would bring more variety to the game?
having it strictly PvP is getting boring
peak escarp
you ask a lot of questions that are impossible to know the answer to
supple bear
I suppose I do
peak escarp
I didn't mean you
supple bear
Dresadan?
peak escarp
yes
supple bear
ah
valid shell
@dawn halo We're not the devs.
dawn halo
So your suggesting I should stop?
peak escarp
all you're going to get are opinions
dawn halo
Opinions are okay for me.
valid shell
Then try to rephrase.
"Will there be [blank]" is a dead-end discussion since nobody knows the answer to the question.
dawn halo
I don't want to debate this, I'm having a hard day as it is.
It's only going to make it rougher.
Will Archives ever get dark or protray hopelessness to the heroes.
peak escarp
no
dawn halo
Why is the future optimistic?
dawn halo
Why did Blizzard go that route? Just to keep it rated T?
peak escarp
because that's the world they wanted to write
not everyone enjoys grimdark realism and constant suffering
sometimes people want to play something bright and happy
valid shell
The literal thesis for Overwatch is 'A future worth fighting for'.
So you're not gonna get your edgy Goblin Slayer moments.
dawn halo
The future isn't going to be all optimistic.
peak escarp
dawn halo
And video games can break realism.
peak escarp
this teaser sums up Overwatch's mission statement pretty clearly
valid shell
Overwatch has chosen not to.
peak escarp
Overwatch is the light in the dark
dawn halo
So are you both saying I fail to realize the nature of the story itself?
valid shell
Is it failure if it's intentional?
dawn halo
Am I intentionally failing to understand the story's nature?
valid shell
I'm saying looking at what we've gotten so far, and listening to what Blizzard's said about the Overwatch universe, means that we're probably not going to get any darker than Balderich bleeding blue 'coolant' from his suit.
peak escarp
the story of Overwatch is all about heroes overcoming their hopeless moments - Reinhardt leaving Balderich to die, Mei not giving up when all her colleagues are dead, etc.
they're not going to have us play the hopeless moments
we're going to play the heroic moments
dawn halo
Is it the role of the cinematics, comics, etc. to handle such moments.
peak escarp
I guess? that's what they've done so far
valid shell
Is the role of the comics and cinematics to show lore? Yes. Because the game has none in it.
valid shell
I don't want another musical hero until Lucio's finally explained.
worthy rose
but unlike Lucio, require skill to play and have actual lore (/s to the first part)
valid shell
Why is your solution to Lucio having no lore to just add a brand new hero with lore.
worthy rose
I mean she's already in the game
valid shell
Why not just give Lucio lore.
valid shell
You're succeeding.
worthy rose
I want everyone to suffer
valid shell
Still succeeding.
dawn halo
Is it a what if?
peak escarp
that's a big leap
considering Lucio is on his world tour and Luna is in Paris assisting the local resistance
dawn halo
And New Years he was in London for concert.
valid shell
I want an Italian beat cop who's tired of Talon corrupting his city.
supple bear
Lucios the least fleshed out character in the game right?
peak escarp
Zen is
valid shell
Zenyatta gives him stiff competition.
peak escarp
Lucio has his world tour and the info about his dad and the revolution
Zen is just a former Shambali monk who mentored Genji
at least Lucio's lore doesn't involve another hero
valid shell
Zenyatta could literally be a figment of Genji's imagination and nothing would change.
dawn halo
What could happen in the future of Overwatch beyond the current events?
peak escarp
the second omnic crisis seems to be an inevitable development
dawn halo
And it will spill over once Talon feels like doing it.
peak escarp
Overwatch as it is now can't stop it, and Talon seems to be intent on sparking that war
worthy rose
considering Lucio is on his world tour and Luna is in Paris assisting the local resistance
Paris is part of the world and therefore can be toured
Didn't Lucio resist?
Therefore
peak escarp
Lucio's lore involves Vishkar
worthy rose
Lucio can tour Luna
peak escarp
whether Symmetra is involved is unknown
dawn halo
@worthy rose I personally ain't a fan of Lucio-Luna, my money is on for Lucio-D.Va
peak escarp
a lot of people assume they've clashed based on their voice lines, but voice lines are voice lines
dawn halo
It doesn't mean they could interact in lore at some point. I see it inevitable once the lore goes on a high.
Like once they have the pieces in place to continue forward in the present.
peak escarp
voice lines do not represent canonical interactions (they may have never met), but the information contained in them is still true
if Symmetra and Lucio ever meet, they wouldn't get along
like the interaction between McCree and D.Va
they've likely never met, but it's still true that D.Va learned to shoot from playing arcade games
dawn halo
Canonical interactions can happen, because storytelling can allow that to happen.
peak escarp
yes
but they aren't canon because they're voice lines, their canonicity comes from other sources confirming them
worthy rose
if voicelines were supposed to be canon, the game would be a lot more quiet
because a lot of characters would have nothing to say to each other
dawn halo
True, non canon within the Overwatch universe when it comes to character interactions is thin as it's within the realm of possibility for it actually occurring when given the right scenarios..
And Icy, I have written dialogue myself, and there can be other factors for people to talk about. To take an example, McCree and Soldier talk about American Football.
peak escarp
the only hero who only has voice lines with people he's canonically met (or had the opportunity to meet) is Roadhog
he has interactions with Junkrat and McCree (who was seen in the same bar as the Junkers and may have been hunting them for their bounty)
supple bear
in what source was McCree in a bar with Junkers?
peak escarp
and I guess Ashe, since she only has interactions with McCree
supple bear
The only bar I remember McCree in is the one in Castillo, with Sombra
peak escarp
supple bear
yea that one
peak escarp
the bar is called Calaveras, and is found on the Castillo map
valid shell
I still say McCree, Sombra, and the Junkers on Castillo could make a great Archives event.
dawn halo
But McCree is sleeping, so he and Sombra haven't met eye to eye before.
supple bear
So where are the Junkers in here?
dawn halo
Because he is knocked out drunk because alcohol.
peak escarp
Junkrat's map, his detonator, and Roadhog's canisters can be found laying around the map
valid shell
They planned their Dorado bank heist.
dawn halo
And Junkrat has worse handwriting than even me.
supple bear
Junkrat and Roadhog being at the bar doesn't mean they were there at the same time as McCree
peak escarp
it was written on a Calaveras bar napkin
no, but it gives a plausible reason for McCree to be there
since he's a bounty hunter and the Junkers have a rather large bounty on them
dawn halo
That is a near canon interaction between McCree and the Rathog duo.
If certain things happened.
peak escarp
I didn't say they did meet, only that there was an opportunity for them to meet
supple bear
icic
peak escarp
since they were in the same place around the same time (the bank heist happened Nov 1, Reflections is in December, McCree could have caught up to them some time after that)
valid shell
Also, Ana's listed as a Bounty Hunter, went AWOL for a while, has a Junker-themed skin, and Junkrat sounds terrified in his in-game sniper bark.
peak escarp
maybe that was the unfinished business he mentioned in Reunion
dawn halo
That's what I said, IF certain things happen, like McCree's arrival to the town, or him not being drunk or knew where the bank it.
valid shell
So it would be dope if Ana went after Junkrat at some point.
dawn halo
What type of cigar does McCree smoke?
valid shell
Tobacco-flavored.
peak escarp
probably the good kind
peak escarp
Cuban, maybe
peak escarp
he's smoked since he was a teen
supple bear
does ashe smoke?
valid shell
So it could be trashy hand-rolled stogies bought from the Indian Reserves or something.
If he's nostalgic.
dawn halo
So he started with normal cigarettes then as he got more addicted, he went to cigars, then Cuban cigars.
valid shell
Real talk, we all know he does it to look cool.
supple bear
lmao probs
valid shell
That's McCree's core theme.
supple bear
also wuts ashes tattoo?
supple bear
just deadlock stuff?
dawn halo
Perhaps the Deadlocks not just smuggle weapons, but tobacco products too?
peak escarp
you can kinda see it here
at least she was smart enough to take the date off her tattoo
supple bear
none of these depict her smoking, so I assume she doesn't
peak escarp
that's the one thing I wish they would retcon
dawn halo
And smoking destroys your face visually, so that's possibly why Ashe didn't smoke.
supple bear
Does Deadlock smuggle drugs, or just weapons?
worthy rose
Smoking is bad for you
peak escarp
it's also horribly bad for you
supple bear
or just illegal stuff in general?
worthy rose
You know what else is bad for you?
Getting shot
Yet they let McCree do it all over the place that one time
dawn halo
@supple bear My theory is it related they primarily smuggle weapons but they do tobacco and drug smuggling as a secondary in case there is no more weapons to steal besides factory raiding.
Actually, why shouldn't the Deadlocks raid or take over a weaponry factory, so they can produce their own weapons if they can get the resources to do so.
peak escarp
maybe that's what their base originally was
supple bear
Deadlock base is in Arizona? or New Mexico?
dawn halo
I assume their original base is more upstate and remote, where only their members know it's location and to avoid the U.S. federal and state authorities.
peak escarp
Arizona
dawn halo
That's where their current base is?
dawn halo
We do need more expansion into how the Deadlocks work.
peak escarp
I wish they'd add Hometown to the hero bios
mostly for the heroes who aren't from their base of operations
supple bear
Hometown as in where they were born and raised?
peak escarp
yes
dawn halo
Specificality if that's the case/
peak escarp
it's implied that Ashe is from Texas
dawn halo
She does have a Texan accent and I used to live in a state close to Texas.
supple bear
What about omnics then? Would it just list the omnium that they were built in?
dawn halo
But I can be wrong, unless we can dig deeper into her speech patterns.
@supple bear They may keep it unknown.
worthy rose
Ashe looks nice with long hair
dawn halo
And the Longhorns in a dining hall inside an estate belonging to her family.
peak escarp
yes
dawn halo
Basically it oozes Texas.
peak escarp
Texas-ish
worthy rose
and Ashe seems rather accepting of Omnics
supple bear
Was ashe like a loner when she grew up?
worthy rose
Figured Texas would probably be similar to Australia toward omnics
peak escarp
Ashe is also upper-class, so she's a little more proper than your average Texan
supple bear
or always in a state of depression
worthy rose
Then again, Ashe and her gang are outlaws
peak escarp
she treats omnics as servants/underlings
worthy rose
she treats people as servants/underlings
wow Ashe is probably the epitome of equality in Overwatch
dawn halo
But to be certain, I have a link relating to the Texas dialect of Southern American English.
We just need to connect the dots with Ashe's speech and real Texan speech.
That'll confirm shes Texan, because she doesn't hide an accent.
peak escarp
her upper class upbringing would affect her accent
frosty shell
The Junkers only hate Omnics because their land was given to them.
dawn halo
Doctor, it will, but not enough to make it indistinguishable from normal Texans.
Because as shown from Reunion and the game, it still sounds very southern despite her social status.
peak escarp
I wonder where McCree is really from
his base of operations says New Mexico, which I assume is where he's been living since Overwatch shut down
dawn halo
Does McCree have rhotic speech?
peak escarp
the only hometowns we know are Ashe (Texas somewhere), Soldier (Bloomington, Indiana), Reaper (LA, California), Orisa (Numbani) and Symmetra (Hyderabad, India)
rhotic speech?
dawn halo
Back pronounced R.
Tracer's dialect, which is assumed to be Cockney, is non rhotic, with no back pronounced R. While most of the American characters have rhotic speech.
supple bear
Hyderabad? Is that a place IRL or fictional?
dawn halo
Real.
peak escarp
supple bear
ah
peak escarp
it's in the south, while Utopaea is probably in the north (considering Satya speaks Hindi)
dawn halo
Back to the McCree homeplace question, I'll review some of his lines to see if they are rhotic or non rhotic.
dawn halo
So he is rhotic, that allows us most of the Southern and South Central United States.
peak escarp
he's obviously southern
dawn halo
I said most, because there is a small pocket of non rhotic pronunciation within Southern American English.
peak escarp
and he knew Ashe as a teen, which means he either was born in Texas or moved there
peak escarp
there's a guy who does youtube videos analysing the accents in movies . . . I want to see him analyse the Overwatch voices and see if their accents really match where they're from
I know a few are off
like Mercy and Zarya
dawn halo
Perhaps we can lobby that person to do that.
worthy rose
We need lore for Zen, that's all I'm saying
dawn halo
Sustained, but not relevant to the question at hand.
frosty shell
My headcanon is that Tracer's accent is unrealistic is because it's just an affectation
dawn halo
Tracer's voice actor is British, so the VA can do a true accent.
peak escarp
it's played up
frosty shell
Yes
peak escarp
her natural accent is much more subtle
dawn halo
Yes, but the VA is British and probably has exposure to other dialects of English within the UK.
frosty shell
Cara Theobold is from Yorkshire while Tracer's accent is supposed to have a city air
But it's not how anyone would really speak from what I've heard
worthy rose
Yeah, after all, kings row is supposed to be a big city
frosty shell
One thing that's off about Junkrat's accent is that he says "clear a paahth" instead of "clear a pahth"
worthy rose
That's where Tracer's from, and that's her map n stuff
frosty shell
I didn't notice this myself though
dawn halo
VA'ing is about playing up accents at times.
worthy rose
What makes me a little sad is that Reaper doesn't have a Spanish lilt to his voice like Sombra
frosty shell
It makes sense Reaper doesn't have an accent though
worthy rose
They're both the same nationality, and true
peak escarp
probably doesn't even speak Spanish
dawn halo
Reyes is Hispanic as the name Reyes is Latino in origin.
And I have met Hispanics/Latinos with the surname Reyes.
worthy rose
I wish he had a Spanish voiceline, either almost failing at saying something or being okay, and Sombra just reacting with a little laugh and "Practice your language more, tio."
peak escarp
we have no evidence that he speaks Spanish
Zarya has spoken more Spanish than he has
dawn halo
I think Gab lost his accent when he was in the military or after that.
worthy rose
Yeah, he probably would
frosty shell
He does have a Mariachi voiceline in a Mexican accent
dawn halo
We are talking about actual Reyes.
worthy rose
One of my uncles is Scandanavian, partially at least, and he had an accent like that but then he wanted to serve the U.S. Navy and he lost it, he recently stopped serving because of PTSD, but otherwise, it's proven that from being surrounded by certain people or being surrounded by certain things it can change your speech
cold oak
hiiiiiiii
worthy rose
So Reyes' time in Overwatch and being surrounded by LA people in his childhood probably diminished his Spanish accent
Hi!
dawn halo
Speech and dialects.
cold oak
oooh
dawn halo
You planning on becoming a linguist?
cold oak
not rally
worthy rose
Yeah, I was just talking about my uncle and how his accent changed and how that could be what happened to Reyes
cold oak
im in latin2 right now though
worthy rose
Nice
cold oak
whats your fav pro leauge team
dawn halo
Now lets talk about Genji and Hanzo, where were they born?
worthy rose
I wanna study more languages, but then again I probably wouldn't remember most of them đ
Japan
dawn halo
Where in Japan.
peak escarp
Hanamura is supposed to be a neighbourhood in Tokyo
cold oak
oooh deep
worthy rose
Yeah
dawn halo
Doctor, is it the spiritual homeworld of the Shimadas?
cold oak
so a major status family lives in a neighborhood in tokyo?
peak escarp
spiritual homeworld?
dawn halo
I mean homeland.
worthy rose
I think it's supposed to be an estate, and it's probably owned by the Shimada family, if their dad is still alive
peak escarp
Shimada castle is in Hanamura
peak escarp
I would assume that's where they grew up
dawn halo
And if Hanamura is in Tokyo, they will probably know Standard Japanese, based around the Tokyo dialect of Japanese.
peak escarp
Genji's Japanese sounds like the standard Tokyo dialect as far as I can tell
not that I'm an expert on Japanese dialects
but if he was speaking Kansai-ben I would notice
worthy rose
Yeah, the Shimada castle is either an open estate or an estate people can visit for meetings and such with the Shimada's elders or heirs, because there are two "meeting rooms" and such, the secondary attack spawn and the defense spawn
dawn halo
And what about D.Va, I know she resides in Busan, but where was she born in South Korea?
dawn halo
But, does her Korean sound Standard Korean?
cold oak
i would think that it had major traffic, seeing as it's in themiddle of a city and has large defensive doors in the front
dawn halo
Because from my research into Korean dialects, SE South Korea has it's own dialect.
worthy rose
On the wiki it doesn't say anything about her birthplace, but I think she was born around Busan, because it would make sense if she was motivated to help her hometown fight against the monsters that attacked it
cold oak
it could just be important because thats where her major leauge esport is, so defending her livelihood
dawn halo
Then, unless the South Korean Military destroyed her supposed accent, she would most likely speaking this type of Korean:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyeongsang_dialect
worthy rose
It would make sense that her accent was messed up because of her time in the military
dawn halo
And possibly interactions with other Koreans who know the standard form of the language.
dawn halo
From the voicelines, D.Va speaks Standard Korean despite her geographic location in Korea.
worthy rose
That might be because of her time in the military, like you said
There are real-life examples of peoples accents being stripped when they enter groups like that
Military or Church or anything with a group of people who get very close
worthy rose
Hell, I've seen it happen even in friend groups at my schools, people begin to talk like each other and that's how you know they're friends
Oh!!! That's really cool!!!!
worthy rose
Okay, I have a concern about Widowmaker's attire
This is partly lore-based, but may involve gameplay
Now, I know she's like the world's best sniper or something, or at least terrifying
and she can get away with it, probably
But it's still rather impractical, all things considered with the job
but
Why does she only use the visor sometimes?
peak escarp
because it affects her vision
sometimes she wants to just see normally
the real impractical part about her outfit are those heels
worthy rose
Nah, she needs them for interrogation
midnight shoal
O_O
peak escarp
worthy rose
I mean, it would make me talk
peak escarp
please don't hurt me
valid shell
It's still intriguing that the lenses of Widowmaker's visor are identical to Maximilien's sensors when deployed.
peak escarp
I wouldn't call that identical
it's the same number of lenses, and they're both red, but that's about it
peak escarp
she doesn't have 8 legs either
valid shell
Allegedly.
worthy rose
two legs
two arms
ponytail
grapple
Maybe she has a tail we don't know about? That'd complete the set.
worthy rose
She's one appendage away from eight
peak escarp
this is getting weird
supple bear
odd theory but ok
stark furnace
What happens if widowâs actually spider-manâs mom
supple bear
lmfao
limpid agate
!!shitposting
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worthy rose
Jokes aside, it's hard to play Widow without thinking about Spider-Man. Do you think Marvel exists in-universe, off-camera, and that Reaper was inspired and made Widowmaker's motif so?
I'm not saying he did anything to her outfit, but what if he did
timid eagle
Itâs one of the reasons why Hammondâs cable is so much fun.
worthy rose
I never thought of widowmaker as Spider-Man until now and I blame you
They're probably just going to try and avoid the whole area, like they did in beta retconning dva to avoid the idea of an in-universe Blizzard.
peak escarp
but
Blizzard World exists
Blizzard as a company exists within the OW universe
one of the MEKA pilots is a StarCraft pro
peak escarp
he runs a casino in Monaco, and seems to be Talon's banker
peak escarp
he's one side character I'd like to know more about
desert yacht
we haven't seen much of an evil side from him
desert yacht
alright, immoral
desert yacht
and a brief mention in retribution that only confirms that he was a high ranking talon member even at the time of retribution
peak escarp
he's the only one still around from that time
Vialli got tossed off a balcony
Akinjide got offed by Akande
desert yacht
akande just swept through them
peak escarp
I wonder who the redacted name belonged to
desert yacht
max is the only og that akande left in power
peak escarp
desert yacht
i don't see a comma, is it blocked out or are they just hiding vialli's first name
there wouldn't be a reason to i guess
peak escarp
that could be it
if Akinjide Adeyemi is listed by his full name, it makes sense that Vialli would be
desert yacht
the only confirmed killings of high ranking talon members have been through current high ranking talon members
peak escarp
Talon promotes from within
desert yacht
yeah, i'm betting on it not being the case either, but there's always that possibility
he could just be with talon right now so he isn't completely alone with his revenge mission
peak escarp
this page has other members' names blacked out
Antonio ||ast name||, ||another name||, Maximilien, ||first name || Vialli, ||another name||
desert yacht
actually, if moira had been working with talon at the time, then why would talon soldiers be attacking her during retribution, and why would they let her back in after it
that's quite a bit of evidence against that theory
i don't think any of those are enough space for Akinjide
so there would be 2 people we dont have the names for
peak escarp
my thought is that she had been providing her research to Talon, so the higher ups would know who she was, but the average grunts wouldn't have any idea who she was
Akinjide could be listed as "Doomfist"
desert yacht
that's fair, but wouldn't it be a bit sketchy if they had seen moira on the mission through news or something
i mean, it would be really inconsistent if they listed him as Doomfist in this one
peak escarp
yeah
the only reason I suspect that Moira might have been giving Talon access to her work is the fact that several Talon units are noted to have genetic enhancements
particularly the Assassin, who has similar smoke/wraith abilities to Reyes
which is noted by the heroes in the game mode, so it isn't just a gameplay effect
desert yacht
i was gonna try to debate that but mentioning the smoke abilities
actually i was gonna try to use the super soldier enhancements as an argument but thats injections, not genetic modification
would be ironic if moira died to an assassin
dying at the hands of your own work
peak escarp
lol
đ McCree always sounds so offended when the boats come in
"They have a boat!"
just so much anger
I really was spoiled for McCree content last year
desert yacht
why would he sound offended, free deadeye multikills (i've realized this is no longer lore relevant and am stopping)
peak escarp
nah, killing everyone on those boats is satisfying
but it makes me excited to see what heroes get to be in the next event and have all those extra voice lines added
iron plume
regarding hometowns, we know a region for Zarya
teal meadow
hopefully they add more lore interections for baptiste when archives is releaed
regal coyote
this
but yeah chances are there is dealings between moira and talon long before
not necessarily her bening member
but relations
regal coyote
it is simpley this: talon provide money, facility and subjects, moira get to do her tests and research
and for moira, so long as she get to test stuff out any way she likes it is a great deal, adn talon get new experimental toys
hell the ehavy far exceed what a normal agent can do
devout sable
I think we'll see some references to Reyes and Moira in the dialogue lines
tepid mulch
if no baptiste talon skin for archives imma be mad
devout sable
@tepid mulch don't worry, he's 100% going to get one
and I'm lowkey hoping for a Talon Moira skin
with the horns
devout sable
she's got a Blackwatch skin with the beret
tepid mulch
the color scheme is the same
limpid agate
Ill say Hamid, but that's a very uncertain Ill say
peak escarp
it's essentially the same skin with a different hat
devout sable
the Talon skin would look more like the outfit in Origins; white instead of grey, horns instead of the beret, Talon logo instead of Blackwatch logo
iron plume
yeah iâd probably call him most likely but wouldnât take him vs the field remotely
peak escarp
I don't think we'll get the one with the horns
iron plume
đ˘
devout sable
well, I hope we will
peak escarp
they'd be too similar, people would get mad at receiving a reskin
tepid mulch
no garentees but we can hope
devout sable
it wouldn't be much less of a difference than the difference between the two Torbjorn skins...
iron plume
the difference is that the torb skins were at the same time
peak escarp
but those were released at the same time
iron plume
same with mei and the sports ones
peak escarp
and they are different enough
devout sable
I'm somewhat hoping for an Omnic Crisis Orisa too
iron plume
I still donât think itâll be remotely as much of an uproar as you think
because people are clamoring for the horns
iron plume
that said iâd take the suit over the lab coat
peak escarp
people have been clamoring for the Masquerade skins since 2017 and nothing's been done about that
closest we got was Formal Doomfist
and that samurai Genji from the halloween comic that is just a hat and a poncho
devout sable
I still don't see why "too similar" is an issue here
iron plume
iâm not saying that means weâll get it
iron plume
iâm saying people being angry over a recolor isnât a problem here
devout sable
what about it?
peak escarp
people were mad that that was a legendary
iron plume
meirry is a base one
peak escarp
because it was essentially a skin we already had
mortal kiln
Wow
iron plume
we have precedent for pairs of legendaries being the same model
devout sable
it was?
peak escarp
it's Mei's base skin with new colours and a santa hat (and a snowman cryofreeze, which I guess earns it legendary status)
the paired legendaries have always come out at the same time
devout sable
anyhow, the demand for similar skins to be released in pairs strikes me as incredibly irrational
and a 'restriction' that will not at all be considered by the Overwatch team
and I think I was right about something similar already â where people insisted on 'rules' that didn't exist
peak escarp
I'm not saying it's a restriction
I'm just pointing out that that's how it has been so far
sure they could change things
but they also could not change things
there are no rules, only precedents
peak escarp
Blizzard has been known to follow patterns
devout sable
maybe, but we shouldn't get carried away with that, or treat these patterns like restrictions
I mean, I remember when I heard that we won't get a Talon event because "it's Overwatch Archives"
and now, Baptiste's release all but confirms a Talon event
there are plenty of 'patterns' that are a complete non-factor
or even non-existent
fringe blade
I dont know why, but I dont see Baptiste having any amazingly spectacular or unusual skins
His character design is quite basic
Imo
I actually thought the Meirry cryofreeze being a snowman was pretty neat
fringe blade
But the skin itself looked like a mix between legendary and epic
Honestly, we dont get many things like the snowman
I mean, we had the Baihu Genji, which is arguably one of the best skins in the game
peak escarp
I agree
more legendaries need special features or custom voice lines
I still want Waveracer D.Va to say "Surf this!"
fringe blade
Yea, missed opportunity lol
Jingle Tracer had some cool custom lines
I cant even think of many legendaries that have a special feature, like Baihu or Meirry
Does the Sports Rein skin say Touchdown?
Cant remember
plucky path
yeah he does
it used to give you an advantage as rein to have that skin as the voiceline is quicker than the usual so as a rein you would have a slightly smaller time period to react and block a shatter
fringe blade
Still a nice little feature, gotta admit
peak escarp
took them like a year to add "It's high tide" to Lifeguard McCree
so there's still hope they could add new lines to older skins
vocal pine
âSurf thisâ would indeed be a good addition for Waveracer D.Va. Iâm still waiting on âItâs high moonâ for Van Helsing McCree.
tepid mulch
will we ever get what happens after recall?
teal meadow
the mcree short is located after winston called
peak escarp
most of the shorts happen after Recall
teal meadow
also dragons
peak escarp
The Last Bastion is the only one that doesn't
and the flashbacks in Honor and Glory and Rise and Shine
peak escarp
eventually
tepid mulch
it just seems like OW will be a dead game before anything noteworthy lore wise even happens
theyve dragged this on for three years
peak escarp
seems to be doing just fine to me
white cobalt
Like any game
peak escarp
it's a 3-year old game, what did you expect
tepid mulch
i expected blizzard to do something with it
tepid mulch
no not that
i meant with the story
you shouldnt start a game off lore heavy and do nothing more to advance it
tepid mulch
at a snails pace
peak escarp
every hero and map brings new lore
tepid mulch
even then is mostly backstory
peak escarp
we've been getting a consistent 2 animations per year since release
and comics are coming back, so I think the lore drought is ending
worthy rose
They literally have to do mostly backstory since they're still introducing main characters.
The backstory is really cool though so I'm not complaining.
slate yarrow
i mean alot of ppl dont care about lore
slate yarrow
ik
peak escarp
the trouble with Overwatch is that most of the lore isn't told in the game, like most other story-driven games
aside from environmental storytelling and voice lines, all of the story happens outside the game in comics, shorts, articles, etc.
the only time the lore happens in game is during Archives
and as long as we keep getting new Archives missions . . .
I know people who will still be picking through the scraps long after Overwatch has been abandoned by players and devs alike
unborn locust
soldier is gay
peak escarp
yes, and?
peak escarp
this is the lore channel, where we discuss lore
peak escarp
we're picky about jokes/shitposting, so try to keep things on topic
unborn locust
ok
somber birch
do you think blizzard is planning to have overwatch last at least 10 years
and thats why the lore is being released so slowly
peak escarp
all their other games have lasted a long time
chilly peak
just compare OW to Wacraft 1
fossil isle
id love to see it adapted for live action tv series and see how the lore and everything play out using some real world stuff
tawny patio
I canât imagine them not keeping it running 10+ years...look at all the money going into OWL 
worthy rose
I want Overwatch the Anime
teal meadow
the game is not gonna die because of the lack of lore
if this is what you people are converning about
only who really loves this game will still play it
peak escarp
!!loreheroes junkrat
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exotic junco
Hey a quick question. How does the lore adress Reinhardt's incredibly fast paced aging?
dawn halo
And he probably used some pretty powerful mane hair gel
As his current age looks like so.
exotic junco
Hmmmm that i didn't know. I always thought tjat pic of him at 54 was during overwatch first missions for some reason. Thank you
exotic junco
Ooooh. The more you know.
prisma moth
@peak escarp can you do orisa
peak escarp
what do you mean?
prisma moth
!!loreheroes
peak escarp
!!loreheroes orisa
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prisma moth
ty
peak escarp
you can just go to the PlayOverwatch website yourself, you know
prisma moth
you right
peak escarp
I thought they were asking me to do an appearance analysis of Orisa's aging
which would be all of one picture because she's only 1 month old
cedar yacht
Would you want to have a story mode in the current overwatch game set up as a kind of chapter based series of Archives events or a new game entirely?
worthy rose
I'd like a story mode for all the individual characters
limpid agate
Just make a story mode expansion with other bonuses, and people will buy it
worthy rose
Like u start with their missions and have a converging event where the story is told like the final battle between overwatch and talon or so
they would
I am guilty and would be one of them
tho it is clear that overwatch has not finished it's story yet and while they may have a rough timeline i don't think that's enough for a story mode game
peak escarp
no, that's a ways off
worthy rose
mhmm
peak escarp
I would hope they'd keep the same format though - 4 player teams doing co-op
hidden verge
!!loreheroes zenyatta
valid shell
@hidden verge https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/zenyatta/
hidden verge
Thanks
lyric wyvern
lean prawn
so what makes a character shit and how does Baptiste do when contrasted with those criteria?
peak escarp
all of the heroes are cheesy
that's the style of the game
have you seen Reaper?
we have 4
go play CoD then
Americans are overrated
how is that racist?
lean prawn
if you want people to actually bite bait you're better off going to ow-d and complaining about goats
peak escarp
America is a garbage country and you know it
lean prawn
only works with roles my guy
peak escarp
we don't need another American hero
timid eagle
We technically need a Canadian one. And Iâm not joking.
lean prawn
pharah has aboriginal heritage
peak escarp
a proper Canadian hero would be nice
I'd also like a southeast Asian hero, or someone else from South America
the only "American" hero I'd be okay with is someone from Hawaii
somber birch
ahh, got you
peak escarp
!!shitposting
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somber birch
stop trolling, youâre boring
at least be good at it
But yes! i would love to see southeast asian hero too
lean prawn
l-d is hard to troll on
timid eagle
@lean prawn Pharahâs origins have always been wishy-washy, at best.
@somber birch What Doctor said, a proper Canadian hero.
short scaffold
peak escarp
thanks
I've also been hoping for a middle-eastern male for a while now, since they always tend to be portrayed negatively in fiction
showing one as a hero would break that pattern
somber birch
thatâd be so cool
timid eagle
Iâm down. He could have a bionic arm.
valid shell
It's a shame Moira kinda stole the Oasis slot.
peak escarp
I was hoping Hamid Faisal would be that hero, but he's seeming less likely now
we could get another Oasis hero
maybe one who is actually from there
worthy rose
did we ever get any lore for the ayutta map place?
valid shell
I'd be down for a Native Canadian hero. Maybe give Pharah a half-brother.
timid eagle
All we know about Ayutta is itâs an ancient temple thatâs going through a restoration process.
bright bough
I would like them to make a overwatch movie...
peak escarp
maybe in a few years after the story has progressed more
bright bough
They should have a team focusing on like 15 minute segments of lore for each character
peak escarp
I just hope they don't try to go for live action
somber birch
i heard they were gonna do something on netflix? or was that just fake
worthy rose
I don't want 1 overwatch movie
I want like 5
spanning from original inception to the final battle with talon to uncovering the sombra illuminati thing
valid shell
Yes, we would all like a multi-billion dollar investment into a film franchise for one of our favorite games.
Ain't gonna happen tho.
worthy rose
it ain't but a man can dream
somber birch
i do hope we find out about the sombra thing one day
worthy rose
but it would be one of the more better done super hero/game adaptation movies
somber birch
in like 10 years probably though lol
valid shell
@somber birch There's a more realistic Christmas wish.
timid eagle
Iâm down for an anthology series.
worthy rose
they tried it with WoW and apparently it didn't work cause they tried to cram so much
lean prawn
how did Warcraft do in the box office?
worthy rose
lemme look
lean prawn
it wasn't a bad movie but it wasn't the best thing in the world
worthy rose
433.7 Million Box office
Budget: 160 Million
Not that high of a rating from the critic sites
valid shell
It had some fun things.
Like, I absolutely loved how they handled the language barrier between humans and orcs.
worthy rose
Truth be told
u could probably do an animation series on netflix
I imagine the profit to be gained would be massive and you could do it like in a game of thrones way of story telling where it goes to multiple characters instead of following one
valid shell
From the orc's perspective, you can tell the humans are speaking english, but it's all distorted and muddy that it actually does sound like a different language.
@worthy rose What profit would come from Netflix?
worthy rose
Netflix doesn't make a lot of money but enthralling young kids into our beloved game as well as them seemingly having so much money to spend, I think people would be down for it. Truth be told I was speaking out of my butt there sorry; I just want an animated series either in movie form or tv series form
I do think the demand would be high
valid shell
Yes, we would all like pretty thing to look at with our eyeballs.
worthy rose
but the voice actors are very busy people
valid shell
But the status of the comics shows that it doesn't pay dividends.
peak escarp
the comics are free
worthy rose
^
peak escarp
of course they're not going to make any money off them
valid shell
And they didn't "enthrall anybody into our beloved game".
peak escarp
if they made full length comics and charged for them, I'd pay for them
somber birch
you know how they had that first strike novel
do you think theyll ever do something like that
peak escarp
a lot of people (myself included) were attracted to the game because of the comics/shorts
valid shell
Anybody who's going to watch the cinematics or read the comics has probably already bought the video game.
It's pretty much a net loss.
peak escarp
but then again, I'm not the best example
worthy rose
idk fam, seeing Reinhardt's animation for honor and glory and seeing Genji and Hanzo's Dragon cinimatic was pretty convincing in me buying the game
peak escarp
I started playing Overwatch because of a voice actor
worthy rose
Cause they're expensive and voice actors are busy
and also I imagine they would be wondering why considering it is a PvP game
peak escarp
because early on in development they made the choice to not have the lore present in the game
somber birch
interesting choice
peak escarp
they were going to do all the storytelling through comics and shorts and external sources
peak escarp
yeah, not their best decision
but they do have Archives every year, which is our one bit of in-game lore
somber birch
i bet there a lot of players who dont even know this game has a story
worthy rose
I am very disappointed in their lack of use of "Atlas News" which would easily be the fastest way to get lore and stories out there
peak escarp
if you believe the forums, then OW doesn't even have a story
worthy rose
you'd also believe that Tracer is a bisexual in denial
McHanzo is a real ship
Mercy is evil
peak escarp
once in a blue moon I'll see someone getting the lore right
but it usually ends up being one of us
worthy rose
but it doesn't take the number 1 thing that the game developers or michael for that matter is worried about. They're game is pretty diverse
worthy rose
idk who else has a lesbian as their poster child for the game as well as a gay war veteran
somber birch
i think its unfair when people rail on them for not having enough rep
worthy rose
like that's a lot of props to the game, i appreciate them
nothing feels forced to me
somber birch
at least itâs not a bunch of bland white soldiers like most games lol
peak escarp
they treat representation like a checklist
worthy rose
it's an international organization so that'd be fine
peak escarp
if you don't have everything on it, your game isn't diverse
regardless of what else you might have
worthy rose
Truth be told I just hope the new characters coming are more lore intensive in that they player a bigger role in the story instead of having their only connection being they knew a member of overwatch years ago
I know Echo is important but I don't think she's hero 31
somber birch
Like Ashe lol
peak escarp
OW is the most diverse game I've seen by far - it has characters from countries I've never seen represented as heroes in games, and an equal balance of male and female heroes
valid shell
They had to climb pretty deliberately these last couple years to reach that point tho.
worthy rose
yea but their entire pool of people are literally international
worthy rose
you can pick up literally anyone from any point in the world and make them a hero in the game which like dope
the game would only feel extremely pandering if they made a character with all the lgbt, ethnic, racial things
Like a filipino, black, jewish, woman who was trans and aromantic
which overwatch doesn't do at all; they keep true to a lot of countries main demographic which I respect
somber birch
okay like
why would they do that though
we barely know anything about each hero as it is
peak escarp
because that's what the community wants
somber birch
i dont think theyâre gonna go that in depth on one hero lol
worthy rose
it's not even about depth
peak escarp
they want one hero that checks all the boxes so they can get it out of the way and go back to boring straight white men
worthy rose
some people want a checklist and that is basically what would happen if u gave the community creative control over character design
and personally
that's a big yikes from me
somber birch
the thing i love about overwatch is it appeals to all types of people
so this is a huge community
but i think youâre talking about different parts of it lol
valid shell
It's people who don't play the video game.