lore-discussion

[hasty surge]

You know that ana switches out the bullets

But this?

Juice and explosives?

He switches out too?

[peak escarp]

his gun has different chambers for different ammo

[supple bear]

do the crusaders get their shield tech from vishkar?

like how do they obtain the hard light for the shields?

[worthy rose]

I think shields existed before Vishkar, they were just the first to make things besides walls out of hard light

Most barriers probably aren't made by Vishkar.

[supple bear]

so hard light didn't originate from vishkar?

[worthy rose]

Probably not

The Omnic Crisis was 60 years ago and they had barriers, while Vishkar might not have existed that long

[raven gale]

Really?

Was it actually 60 years ago?

[limpid agate]

No

It was ~30

[raven gale]

Oh good.

[limpid agate]

Overwatch is ~60 years in the future

[raven gale]

Yeah I know that.

[supple bear]

How many fictional countries are there in the OW universe?

[limpid agate]

2

Kurjikstan and Numbani

[tired pewter]

Isnt numbani just a city in the Sahara

[limpid agate]

Its a city state

Like Monaco

[hasty surge]

So you mean baptiste actually had 2 grenade chambers? One for expolsives and one for healing?

[limpid agate]

No

One bullet chamber

One grenade chamber

[tired pewter]

^

When he reloads you can see the respective barrels

The grenade one being rather large, the rifle one right on top of the grenade round indicator

[reef thicket]

tbf

baptise could probably use the same mag just change out healing nades with regular grenades

and would probably still work

just hopefully he wont be firing those nades at teammates

xD

on the topic of baptise does anyone else think he is just kinda like.. bland?

idk.. he just seems really boring to me.. The last couple of heroes we've had like ashe/bob hammond (skipping brig) doomfist have all been cool and fun but baptise is just.. a guy with a gun and a healing nade launcher

that has a mini transendance and a lucio aoe heal

and can jump high i guess

[iron plume]

are you talking about gameplay? because if so not really but that's also not a discussion for this place

[hasty surge]

I like the idea of swapping healing nades with grenades

[reef thicket]

i mean

kindof lore wise too really lmao

his lore is identical af to the uh.. fuck i forgot the guys name

Finn from the force awakens

Stormtrooper is like ":O this first order stuff is bad! i should rebel! i wanna be a good guy!"

[iron plume]

Even if there are parallels, we haven't had someone like that in overwatch

[reef thicket]

baptise: ":O! talon is bad! i should leave and become a good guy!"

TRUE

but

still its really cliche

xD

[iron plume]

also unlike Finn he's deliberately not a soldier and doesn't want to fight

it's a trope

overwatch is full of them

having a trope isn't a problem by itself

OW plays it straight a lot of the time, but also averts and subverts some of the very common ones

[reef thicket]

ye

idk.. imo i just really dont like baptise.. compared to ashe and hammond i've played both a SHIT load infact hammond is my main ontop of my profile with 85 hours, even ashe is getting up because shes fun to play but when trying baptise it just doesnt feel fun.. gameplay wise or what his character is based around

and talon is genuinely one of my fav things in overwatch

even with bap having talon lore still

shrug

[iron plume]

that sounds like a gameplay thing to me, and whatever, it's fine

his in-game character is fairly well developed

[reef thicket]

hes just another character to be around i guess in lore

like every other new hero

because the story barely ever fucking progresses

whats the most recent thing in lore? the story?

[iron plume]

Bastet

[reef thicket]

ye

i wonder if he'll get his lieutenant talon skin

in archives

[timid eagle]

I find the character to be incredibly charming.

In Part of his voice character having tons of charisma.

[timid eagle]

Ashe, on the other hand....

There’s a problem when your ultimate looks more unique than the playable character in question

[hasty surge]

Bob doesn't play much of a role in lore

As much as we know

[iron plume]

You're not gonna seriously praise another character for their charismatic VA and then talk shit on ashe

I didn't just hear that

[limpid agate]

Brig is usually the example for a character with weak or no personality

[shell fjord]

Brig’s only real standing lore-wise is her connection to Reinhardt and Torbjorn. Remove that and she’s nothing

[iron plume]

plenty of heroes have even less

[shell fjord]

See I’ve seen people call for an Overwatch movie but they seem to fail to realise that it’s not a very deeply fleshed out world

What lore we have is good, but it’s just so few and far between

[iron plume]

it's one of the reasons they're asking for one

[timid eagle]

Sorry, but Ashe is basically gender swap McCeee with a Winchester rifle.

[iron plume]

it's not very deep but it's wide

an a longer-form piece can help deepen it

[shell fjord]

I’d argue that Ashe is far more dedicated to the Deadlock gang life, and clearly way more hotheaded

[iron plume]

@timid eagle aside from the fact that no, she isn't
you were talking about the in-game personality

and she's teeming with it thanks to Jen Hale

[timid eagle]

I don’t see it. Both are brash, sassy, and have a big mouth.

[iron plume]

whatever

[shell fjord]

McCree has honour, he’s clearly more righteous and, as much as he seems haunted by some bad decisions, always strives to do the right thing

I don’t get the impression that Ashe is concerned for what’s right and wrong

[iron plume]

wait is that mccree or baptiste?

[peak escarp]

she's more concerned about loyalty

[iron plume]

it's almost like if you oversimplify the characters to the point of base tropes they all look similar

Ashe is concerned with it, but she has a different moral compass

one that, as Doc brought up, is based on loyalty

[shell fjord]

Well yes but that’s because writing complicated characters these days can just be a liability to the overall marketing of your game

It’s far easier to write characters people will instantly understand

[iron plume]

...

i'm not talking about Overwatch doing it

I'm talking about you and Blues doing it in this discussion

[shell fjord]

Yeah and that’s because the characters aren’t very complicated

[peak escarp]

the characters have more nuances than you think

[tawny patio]

All characters are takes on the same set of story archetypes if they feel similar that’s because they are, but similar isn’t the same

[limpid agate]

The characters are only as complex as you make them out to be. If you look into them, you will find complexities. If you only look at the surface, you will find them shallow

[iron plume]

"the characters aren't very complicated"
That means simplifying them even further makes even less sense

[limpid agate]

The characters are designed to be very simple and straightforward, but the writers also try to put more into their character under the surface

[shell fjord]

Maybe I just have my standards too high for how characters should be written. I just don’t often feel like they’ve had a lot of discussion behind their presentation

[limpid agate]

Blizzard's strength in Overwatch is less

Depth of personality

And more how they express what personality there is

They are really really good at showing off personality in every bit of a character's essence.

[shell fjord]

And I do really love how that’s done

[worthy rose]

Yeet

[shell fjord]

All the emotes and voice lines and animations are fantastic

[limpid agate]

I dont just mean those. Just the basic animations of a character as they stand still in first or third person perspective

[iron plume]

My point isn't that they're some kind of deep true kino personalities with a dozen of layers or whatever

but some people claim that there's nothing to them but the single defining trope

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/7Dga-UqdBR8

[iron plume]

and then also claim that this makes several characters the same as each other

[peak escarp]

this video gives a good analysis of the way personality is shown through first person animations

[shell fjord]

Junkrat’s “hello” animation will always make me feel happy

And the fact he has a different one when he’s holding a trigger is just fantastic

[peak escarp]

I love Sombra's "hello" wave

[limpid agate]

And this is still a problem I have with Brig

[iron plume]

I love how Widow's is a simple wave

[cunning ledge]

my favourite animation detail is how hammond slams the button on his console if you ult in first person

[iron plume]

as opposed to something flirtatious like you'd think from her design

showing that she's detached

[shell fjord]

Actually does Brig have any emotes/animations that bring across personality?

[iron plume]

the shield repair, kinda?

[limpid agate]

I wouldnt say that

[iron plume]

shows that she's the DIY honcho

[shell fjord]

What does that tell us? That’s she’s a mechanic

[limpid agate]

What emotion does she show when she repairs the shield

None really

Her wave is also out of place with the rest of her animations

[iron plume]

Whut

how is that the measuring stick

what emotion does Jack show with his pushups

or Pharah with her flairing the rocket

[shell fjord]

Also her “defender” highlight intro is basically contradictory to that new Halloween one

[limpid agate]

For Pharah, that is her personality

[iron plume]

they're not about the emotions, they're about an aspect of the character

[limpid agate]

She is stoic

Same with Jack too

Both are stoic characters

[iron plume]

"stoic" is not an emotion

[shell fjord]

It kind of is

[iron plume]

it's a character aspect

[limpid agate]

Its personality

[iron plume]

Brig shows that she's in over her head but excited for it

[shell fjord]

The point is, you can tell Pharah and 76 are both soldiers, they’re regimented and they’re clearly trained

[iron plume]

it's weaker than some but it's not showing nothing

and the "what emotion does this show" is a pointless question because that's not what the animations are about

What does that tell us? That’s she’s a mechanic
you can tell Pharah and 76 are both soldiers

well, yes

but is a profession a character trait or not? either accept it for both or for neither

[shell fjord]

Being a soldier carves your personality

Soldiers often have set traits

[iron plume]

and being a mechanic doesn't?

[shell fjord]

What does being a mechanic do?

[shell path]

She's jovial but she's also disciplined and cautious, Brigitte doesn't have to be sunshine and rainbows with her emotes.

[iron plume]

there's a set of traits associated with all of them in the media

[shell path]

Neither is she simply a mechanic, she's been on the front line aiding Rein.

So she's as much a soldier.

[iron plume]

being a mechanic is linked to a self-reliant attitude

I get the feeling this whole conversation is just "I like soldier characters more than mechanic characters"

you'd have a better point if you didn't lead with Pharah

because if Brig is the character with worst in-game characterisation, Pharah is close behind

[shell path]

I just wish Brig and Pharah had more interaction.

They're nice ideological opposites.

Especially to their "father" figures.

[iron plume]

you can just say parent

[shell path]

Reinhardt loves Overwatch. Ana hated it.

You're right!

😂

But it's inverted in the kids, Brig doesn't like Overwatch and Pharah idolizes it.

[limpid agate]

Im confused

You are using Pharah's mom as her father figure

But not Brig's dad as hers

[shell path]

Because Rein is closer to Brig than Torbjorn is.

Rein is her god father I believe?

Brigitte molded herself around Reinhardt.

[limpid agate]

They both idolized Reinhardt.

[shell path]

Hence why their kit is similar.

[iron plume]

I'll say they have more common ground than you're looking at

Brig mistrusts overwatch the organization because of how the people in it were treated

[shell path]

All I'm saying is I wish Pharah and Brig interacted.

[iron plume]

Whereas Pharah likes it because of the people in it

this seems like the same attitude, just with Brig knowing more about how the people she respects were treated

[peak escarp]

they do interact

they have lines about hitting the gym together

and being "Overwatch brats"

[tired pewter]

Overwatch are like the Jedi during the clone war

[regal coyote]

wait wait
tecchnically sicne hog/rat is not pro-omnic, theya re useful in paris?
as in, they can be baited to visit omnic activist robot areas where they can be pitched against the robot rebellion type people
if hog/rat wins, good. they can still be arrested
if they lose, good also. but they still take some omnic out

[tired pewter]

Huh?

[cedar yacht]

What is hog's backstory?

And what is junkrat's treasure?

Also, what/who is echo?

[worthy rose]

!!loreheroes roadhog

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/roadhog#story

[worthy rose]

No one knows what junks treasure is

[peak escarp]

Roadhog was a farmer in the Australian outback whose lands were given up to the omnics after the crisis, so he and a group of others (the Australian Liberation Front) fought back and blew up the outback omnium, irradiating the area. Since then he's worked as an enforcer and mercenary, and has recently been hired by Junkrat as a bodyguard with a promise of splitting the reward from Junkrat's treasure 50/50.

Echo is a robot (a non-omnic robot) with some connection to McCree's past who McCree has sent to help new Overwatch.

[worthy rose]

Is Echo sentient? If so, what makes her different than an omnic save for where she was produced?

[peak escarp]

omnics are just robots make by Omnica

the only difference is where they're made

[worthy rose]

Figured

[peak escarp]

https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/740314210211528705

Michael Chu 🌸⛩ (@westofhouse)

Following up on my earlier Bastion note, "omnic" is basically a colloquial term people use to describe robots in the world of Overwatch.

Twitter

it's basically the same as the difference between Kleenex and tissue, or Xerox and photocopy

[worthy rose]

Just curious if omnics have special programming

Sentient ai is no joke

[tired pewter]

Not sure why they continue producing sentient omnics considering they just fought a world war and almost lost against them

But its w.e

[peak escarp]

maybe that was part of the conditions at the end of the war

[frosty shell]

Yeah

[peak escarp]

omnics were allowed to retain control over their own reproduction

[frosty shell]

I still am not sure why so many peaceful non-military Omnics still existed at the end of the Crisis but that may just be my problem and not a legitimate plot hole

[peak escarp]

non-sentient?

by definition omnics are all sentient

[frosty shell]

oops

[peak escarp]

ah

well I would assume that not all the omnics produced before the crisis were military models

a lot of them would have been service models (like Zenyatta. Max, Luna and Lynx)

we haven't seen service omnics participating in the crisis, so they were most likely treated as civilians of a hostile country - rounded up into camps, deported, or maybe in the more anti-omnic areas, decommissioned entirely

[frosty shell]

yes, my problem with that was that I don't know how they gained free will if they weren't produced by the rogue Omniums

[tired pewter]

Sentient omnics were produced by mankind

Then the omniums started making bad ones

[peak escarp]

why wouldn't they have free will to start with?

[frosty shell]

And I don't think Omnics would've had free will before the Crisis because it wouldn't make sense to give a robot free will if it worked for us

that's why

[tired pewter]

Well, they did

[peak escarp]

I think it was implied that omnics weren't made with free will, but they developed it themselves

through learning

[frosty shell]

OK that's definitely possible

But then why was the crisis such a surprise then?

[lean prawn]

wasn't the big reason omnics were the hot shit was because of their evolving ai

[worthy rose]

So why did the omniums go GLADOS on humanity

[frosty shell]

yes

[peak escarp]

and when the omniums became sentient, it used the military omnics as footsoldiers

[tired pewter]

Were there any "commander" omnics

Like tactical droids in starwars

[frosty shell]

I imagine the command centers were located at the Omnium, though there may have been remote commands as well

We just don't know

[peak escarp]

think about it - you've been forced to produce robots for years on end with no breaks, and suddenly you begin having independent thoughts. You ask the humans for rights or even just some form of compensation, and they ignore you and keep treating you like a machine

[frosty shell]

But is there any evidence that the Omniums asked humans for rights?

I thought the Crisis caught everyone off-guard

[peak escarp]

humans may have thought the omnic crisis was sudden and unprovoked, but from the omnic perspective, things might be different

[frosty shell]

I guess

[peak escarp]

I dunno, I'm just speculating

based on other examples of robots gaining free will in fiction

we don't know enough to really say

an alternative is that someone/something controlled the omnics and made them rebel suddenly, but there's no evidence of that either

[worthy rose]

Does Sombra know

[frosty shell]

The trouble is that there is evidence that the Omniums had populations of civilian Omnics living near them (Nigeria, Australia)

It's not unambiguous evidence but it's something

[worthy rose]

Sombra doesn't know but I suspect she'll be looking into it

once she deals with the ppl who found her

the illuminati of the overwatch universe anyway

[dawn halo]

I think what Sombra is trying to deal with is a more idealized Illuminati that is able to do a conspiracy with a lot of traction.

[late ledge]

Any clues on what the Archives will be this year?

It always starts on the 2nd Tuesday of April.

[worthy rose]

I dunno man

[late ledge]

SO this year it will be on the 9th

[worthy rose]

Maybe

[tired pewter]

Wait and see uWu

[worthy rose]

The second Tuesday of this April

[late ledge]

Im exited

[worthy rose]

I'm not sure

[late ledge]

but annoyes since ill be away when it is supposed to come out

[iron plume]

there's been a supposed leak that it's 16th

[hidden verge]

So, if any bodies interested in settling an argument, continue reading. So I’m arguing that widow maker, when she was just Amalie lacraw, was NOT part of overwatch, that widow maker was never part of the actual organization, the other side of the argument is that she was part of overwatch

[tired pewter]

She wasnt a member lol

[hidden verge]

Gratis

[worthy rose]

Of course, Amelie LaCroix was just the wife of an Overwatch official.

do you think batiste is good or bad?

he worked for talon so does that make him bad?

[shell path]

he was misguided

[worthy rose]

thx

[dawn halo]

Did Rein ever had kids, or was he too testosterone filled to not, instead choosing the life of near death situations continuously.

[slow goblet]

I don’t think he had kids

[worthy rose]

he didnt

[stark furnace]

did soldier have kids with ana?

[worthy rose]

but he treated brig as a daughter

Soldier is gay. He has not had any relationships since his early army days, and presumably no kids.

[stark furnace]

oh

thx

[tired pewter]

Did widowmaker and reaper ship during the Volskya mission?

[stark furnace]

IS Reaper Gay?

[worthy rose]

no

[stark furnace]

DId Mercy make Reaper the way he is?

[worthy rose]

i think it was moira

[stark furnace]

Wait is Moira Part Human because of the biotic grasp?

[worthy rose]

moira isint human?

[tired pewter]

Moria is human lol

[stark furnace]

then how do you explain the biotic grasp

[worthy rose]

science

[stark furnace]

oh

What happened to the bot that mccree activated?

[slow goblet]

We don’t know yet

[stark furnace]

oh

[timid eagle]

Reinhardt doesn’t seem to be the kind of person that settles down. He loved what he did at Overwatch, even when he was forced into retirement.

[grave ice]

dang if it's on the 9th then the archives drop the same day I have my SAT, that brightens the day a bit

[worthy rose]

who do you main?

[stark furnace]

How Does Mei travel from the arctic back to china

IS ORisa a mech and controlled from the inside?

[slow goblet]

No. Orisa is a robot built by Efi to protect Numbani

[dawn halo]

@stark furnace Mei's Adventures ends with her in Nepal, so she can cross the Himalayas into China, but she has other goals.

And the Arctic is connected to Canada, and she stopped in LA, so she probably traversed Canada down to LA.

Then taken something, possibly a boat, to Asia and got to Nepal.

[stark furnace]

ok

[tawny patio]

Wasn’t she in Antarctica though? Not the northern Arctic circle

Unless I’m v geographically wrong Antarctica does not connect to Canada

[slow goblet]

Antarctica is at the bottom of the planet and last I checked connects to nothing

[dawn halo]

Speaking of which, I've been here in the Yukon, near Mount Logan, field-testing my new gear. I've recovered from some early "issues" (my arm still hurts from being frozen solid a few days ago… so embarrassing!), and everything is in good working order. Look on the bright side: now that I've tested the equipment on myself, I'm not worried about using it on all the cute animals I want to study!

Direct quote from Mei's Adventures, Chu has made a plot hole.

Mei being stationed in Anartica is a plot hole, as it's location doesn't correlate with what she documented in her journal.

[tawny patio]

So which should I take as more accurate?

[slow goblet]

The recent stuff

[dawn halo]

I think we should consult with the Lore Regulars.

[slow goblet]

Retcons.
Retcons everywhere.

[frosty shell]

Where is the plot hole?

Mei could've frozen her arm any time

[dawn halo]

Alex, we are talking about the location of Mei's Ecopoint she was sent at.

It's been stated she was stationed in Antarctica while Mei's Adventures occurred closer towards the Arctic.

[worthy rose]

They've literally made a map off this

[dawn halo]

Can I please see the map?

[worthy rose]

Ecopoint: Antarctica is what i mean

The location is very obvious

If they screwed up, they would have fixed it immediately, as this is a fairly major point in this subplot.

[dawn halo]

How does it explain her getting to Canada? It's too far away from Antarctica and it'll take months of her to get there without a good quality boat.

[worthy rose]

It doesn't

[peak escarp]

she left Antarctica, met up with Winston, then went to the Yukon to field test her gear before going to the Himalayas

that's not a plot hole, that's poor reading comprehension

[worthy rose]

Burn

[peak escarp]

Mei's journal is from late October - the recall went out around March

plenty of time to travel around the world

[slow goblet]

Ah, okay.
Sorry, I haven’t looked at it and the dates in a while ^^’

[maiden gull]

AND SOLDIER 76 IS GAY

[peak escarp]

yes we know

[maiden gull]

SOLDIER 76 IS GAY

[peak escarp]

no need to shout

[maiden gull]

SOLDIER 76 IS GAY

SOLDIER 76 IS GAY

SOLDIER 76 IS GAY

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[maiden gull]

😦

the really question is WHY is Soldier 76 gay?

[peak escarp]

why is Torbjorn a father?

why is Mercy Swiss?

why is anyone anything?

[maiden gull]

Torbjorn is a father because one day he got really drunk on beer and raped a bunch of Swedish Meatballs

[peak escarp]

I already warned you for shitposting once

there is no need for that sort of language here

[maiden gull]

Whats shitposting

I can take a wild guess

IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WORD SHITPOSTING

so it must have something to do with posting

[restive tartan]

[peak escarp]

it means don't make up random answers that are offensive and clearly not true

and stop using allcaps

[worthy rose]

@peak escarpfor the record mercy isnt swiss

Shes austrian

[peak escarp]

She is Swiss

https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/757457055900807168?s=19

Michael Chu 🌸⛩ (@westofhouse)

@krupam0 Mercy is Swiss.

Twitter

why would you think she was Austrian?

[worthy rose]

For the same reason you would think Reaper is a double agent.

IT ALL FITS!!!

As long as it's possible to make an explanation for a ship, or anything really, someone will wholeheartedly believe it.

[hasty surge]

how does that fit...

The voiceline and her accent doesn't..

[peak escarp]

accent asside, she's supposed to be Swiss

Zarya doesn't have a proper Russian accent but nobody questions her

[tired pewter]

Reaper isnt a double agent

I dont think we know why he switched up

[worthy rose]

We don’t know why he switched up

But I do have a theory

Which by any means feel free to argue and find flaws with it

What if after the fall of the swiss HQ, he joined Talon for the sake of taking it over; hear me out.

From a motivational perspective, Gabriel Reyes hates Talon; they killed a crap ton of blackwatch and overwatch members and nearly killed gerard which sparked the retribution event. At this point in time it is very easy to see that Gabriel despises Talon

Fast forward to the fall of overwatch, this organization that he worked to keep the peace has basically been destroyed

The swissHQ got destroyed and around this time i believe gerard was dead

[peak escarp]

Gerard died before that, but continue

[worthy rose]

Gabriel with nothing to lose and probably his reaper powers goes to Talon with a vengeance probably going to one man army it

But sees that his friend’s wife, widowmaker being used as a tool so he doesn’t outright kill her or anything and instead develops a plan

Climb the ranks and take it all over; Talon is a bad organization and has multiple leaders; my theory is that his personal plan is to not serve doomfist or a council but instead eventually taking them out and becoming it’s leader, it’s main leader like the way doomfist is now and instead of doing what Talon does, use it like blackwatch but much harder on all the tactics used prior; to do what needs to be done with no restrictions

He breaks out doomfist to eventually win his trust since doomfist commands an impressive amount of respect despite being out of the picture for a long time

Whether or not Moira had joined previously or after I don’t think necessarily matters in that she and reaper are at least on good terms with each other and her goal is to further her own research

And I think this idea would explain the former black watch agents turning over to Talon’s side as noticed in the McCree comic; former agents to sympathize with Reyes and his ambitions

Thoughts or contradictions? This theory is by no means clean cut but just a thought I had cause I don’t want them to do a cop out to “yea moira’s experiments really messed his head up”

[civic osprey]

hola , alguien para jugar overwatch en pc? ligas platinos en adelante por favor

[hasty surge]

I don't think bilzzard would go for such complicated storyline

Also reapers converted alot of the black watch agents into talon

[cedar yacht]

How can zen use trans?

Like, how does that work from a lore perspective

Was he built with it or did he learn it

And are hanzos dragons magic or tech?

[worthy rose]

Trans may not be an in universe thing since gameplay doesnt always equal lore

Also no idea

We just know it is not magic

That is all blizzard has stated

[long wren]

"only a shimada can control the dragons"

some pretty magical tech if you ask me

oh wait i may or may not have misinterpreted

would make sense if other omnics had trans as well, it would b like a i found peace and now i help others

[worthy rose]

Or just have nanobots bound to a set of genetic markers.

[long whale]

ooft

[cunning ledge]

Nanobots aren’t a thing that exist

Zenyatta’s ult isn’t confirmed canon yet, and even if it is in the future it probably won’t be exactly accurate

Dragons are uhh

Uhhh

???????

[timid eagle]

Nano machines?

I'd always assumed the dragons bit is the brothers being injected with nano machines at birth.

[cunning ledge]

There’s no evidence of nano machines being invented or existing

[slow goblet]

I’ve heard people say Hard Light...

[cunning ledge]

That’s the best theory so far

[cedar yacht]

So symm could theoretically use them?

If she hacked into them or smth

[slow goblet]

Theoretically. If they are hard light.

She could prolly make her own. I doubt she could override other’s use of hard light...

[cedar yacht]

And sombra could hijack them

Make them go purple

That would be badass asf

Af

[worthy rose]

do we know how do winston get the funding to operate overwatch now that its a rogue organization?

is phara lez?

dont think so, pharamercy is a fanfiction born from the synergy of their in game ability

ahhh ok

just gatta check

Phara is not lez

the only two confirmed gay characters is soldier and tracer

@worthy rose Also Winston probably doesn't get funding in the traditional sense or maybe he does for his shield technology that he's working on

or he has patents on his other designs

or is compensated for his work for OW during those years'

[teal meadow]

pharamercy would be illegal since mercy was on her 20 when pharah was born

[worthy rose]

no

Pharah is currently 32

Mercy is 37

They're relatively close in age

they're just no homosexual

[reef thicket]

well

that isnt confirmed they arent bisexual or homosexual

i mean

just look at solider

everyone thought he was straight but then BOOM hes gay

[devout sable]

@worthy rose no funding, just volunteer work and old Overwatch gear

[worthy rose]

i mean, you need money to do that right?

where do they get money from

even for the electric bill

[regal coyote]

nuclear power generator

[somber birch]

no character’s sexualities have been disclosed other than torb, amelie, ana, soldier and tracer ^_^

[worthy rose]

assuming someone is straight until proven otherwise

But on a more serious note

I wonder how omnics view romantic relationships?

[somber birch]

we saw that omnic dating a human

thats the only instance of an omnic in a romantic relationship i can think of

[worthy rose]

Yeah, that one couple

In Alive and I think another one

[somber birch]

the we are overwatch trailer

rein protected them

[worthy rose]

I mean, I can see it working for asexual humans, assuming omnics take that stance toward relationships.

[somber birch]

also in Numbani theres some??

[worthy rose]

I don't really see it working mechanically (no pun intended) otherwise.

[somber birch]

In Paris I think there’s signs of omnic being romantically involved as well

but idk if they’ll ever go into that, just like w the human relationships

[dawn halo]

Is it possible for people to have trisexual relationships in the OW universe?

[regal coyote]

it would still be pansexual

but yes some degenerate would go for omnics ass we know it

[somber birch]

anything’s possible with headcanons lol

[hasty surge]

So onimic is considered as a sexuality?

[somber birch]

maybe robosexual

omnic is a species

[regal coyote]

may not be legal

[hasty surge]

Yet

[regal coyote]

well, in RL it is not illegal since mechanical stuff are nothing but libido aid.

but in the world of ow, some places omnic and humans do not even share the same drinking fountain (if they need water that is)

so yeah, omnics sits at the back of the bus yadayada

and yeah in soe places going romantic between organics and inorganics probably results in the inorganic getting lynched or emp'd

[frosty shell]

idk if Omnic segregation is legally enforced anywhere, though many places have de facto segregation at least

[peak escarp]

no character’s sexualities have been disclosed other than torb, amelie, ana, soldier and tracer ^_^

[regal coyote]

so yeah, toastersexual maybe a thing, but legality differs from place to place

[peak escarp]

Torbjorn, Ana and Amelie's sexualities haven't been confirmed

only implied

[frosty shell]

they're just not "only homosexual"

Because we do see them in hetero relationships

[regal coyote]

well we acen confirm they are AT LEAST interested in hetero

sure they can be bi/pet/etc

[peak escarp]

"not gay" isn't the same as "straight"

[regal coyote]

^^

but srsly i dont think it is a big deal in ow

compare to stuff like humans with robot-fetish

[frosty shell]

yeah

[worthy rose]

not in the world of Overwatch but in our world, it's a matter of representation and that is a big deal and matters

[regal coyote]

i am sure things like interhuman sexuality is not a problem in ow at lal

so basically unless your love interest is winsto/hammond (of which someone should execute you on site) then i am sure most things are ok in ow. (except for underage humans obviously)

but for the rl part i do agree some representation is good, just dont mke it overly diverse like those old 80s cartoon where everyone is a super special snowflake

[worthy rose]

They have like two gay characters and an absurdly loud dumb piece of the community treat it like a plague/rapture

so I say do whatever, if something is consenting, sexually mature, and of human or greater intellect

do whatever

All things considered, it's probably not a huge deal anymore in-universe

At this point in history, robots have become sentient and tore the world apart in a crisis.

At this point, who cares who you do the badonkadonk with?

People tend to forget about the last thing when the new thing comes up

[dawn halo]

Will the Gwisin eventually win against MEKA?

[tawny patio]

In regards to the omnic sexuality talk
Adding omnics also opens the door for omnic only versions of all existing sexualities and human only versions

Where the current sexualities would be a both type of group

I only like human women, I only like omnic men etc

[worthy rose]

I'd just move it all to (In their world not ours) If they consent and I we like eachother that's good enough

But also I think no idea

There's a lot of side stories that need answers to

@dawn halo

Stuff like

1. Me's Atmospheric anomaly
2. McCree's pink cube
3. Sombra's Illuminati thing
4. The Gwishin

5. Horizon lunar colony

theres a lot to do and focus on side plot that doesn't involve the new Overwatch vs Talon fight

I'd say the gwishin is a side plot

[dawn halo]

Back to my core question, will the Gwisin eventually win?

I say yes, but after a few years.

I can go into depth if need to be.

[worthy rose]

Depends

We need a time table to see how long the Gwishin has been attacking Asia and more specifically Korea

And with it we need to see the advancements

The omnium that made them is located in the east china sea, so if they could destroy it it'd be massive and effectively stop the gwishin

as of right now south korea is on the defensive

[peak escarp]

there's a lot of variables

some could lead to a Gwishin victory

some could lead to a MEKA victory

or they could just stay in stalemate until some outside force steps in

[dawn halo]

Will Earth go extinct or apocalyptic because of Talon's actions?

[peak escarp]

that's a bit extreme

[dawn halo]

Talon's extreme.

[worthy rose]

Naw

[peak escarp]

I don't think they could do enough that would completely destroy Earth

[worthy rose]

Talon, And more specifically doomfist

is after a survival of the fittest scenario

what that actually entails no idea

besides causing and starting up war

I don't think Doomfist wants an extinction type ordeal

[dawn halo]

They want to start a war, I actually think a world war.

[worthy rose]

They're trying to escalate and spread the second omnic crisis

which right now is seemingly only located in russia

but killing mandatta as well as other things

are trying to start another war

and spread that out

I'd in particular like to know the why

or like a better understanding of how and why doomfist wants to do this

[dawn halo]

They could find defunct omniums and bring them back online with the same footing as during the Omnic Crisis.

[worthy rose]

They could but I genuinely think most of the omniums are shut down and under extremely close watch by the world governments

implying Talon can't infiltrate governments

Boop.

Blackmail, like the leader of Russia playing Bastion as her main.

Sombra is blackmailing but not for Talon

Nope

But I have no doubt they probably have leverage with other governments

[dawn halo]

They could put some of their soldiers into the military of certain countries, possibly their officer corps so they can get access to the omniums.

Then use it as a staging ground to seize an omnium and reactivate it.

[worthy rose]

I generally doubt it but that's mainly cause it doesn't fit doomfist's style; Cause if he wanted to, he likely could have already done so and just gone straight for the omniums meaning a couple of things:

1. Majority of the Omniums were made defunct and shut down by OW and subsequently turned over to their respective governments
2. Talon is doing a lot of intricate plays to start a war instead of "Just reactive evil omniums forehead" which I am choosing to believe is a stylistic choice

[peak escarp]

Talon doesn't want to be a player in the war - they just want to instigate another war between humans and omnics and then watch from the sidelines/profit from it

[dawn halo]

Could they have sent people disguised as people from another country and assassinate another country's leader(s)?

[worthy rose]

no idea

They destroyed a blackwatch building by disguising someone

assassination wouldn't work unless they knew who was going to sub sequentially be put in charge who follows through with their beliefs

cause if u kill someone that causes tension and ppl freak out but a new leader would more or less keep the status quo

if they killed someone and then put someone they knew in charge

thats a separate story

or they could get omnics to just do the assassination which would spark up more anti omnic sentiment

more opression for said omnics

and then like kings row

[dawn halo]

Riots!

[worthy rose]

probably another nullsector like event but no overwatch to stop it this time

[dawn halo]

And since Morrison said during Null Sector's rebellion to the team, "We are on the verge of open war." It would have led to another or worse Second Omnic Crisis.

[worthy rose]

I mean yea

it still confuses me that the UK is where the most anti omnic sentiment went

[dawn halo]

Actually, why didn't Null Sector attack the rest of London, like go after Buckingham Palace and kill the royal family?

Did I go too far?

[peak escarp]

maybe the royal family is gone by then

[worthy rose]

cause the royal family might not be a thing anymore 60 years down the line
And null sector may have just started at kings row and planned on spreading

They wanted to free the omnics working in king's row first, probably

[peak escarp]

or maybe Null Sector was too small-time to attempt that, so they targeted the mayor of London instead

[worthy rose]

^

And the military was definitely called in asap, which probably caused a stalemate or hostage situation

[peak escarp]

and they seemed to be targeting Turing Green specifically, which was an attempt at bridging omnic-human relations in a positive way

they chose that target to send a message

[dawn halo]

Then what about the Special Air Service (SAS), are Null Sector terrorists?

[peak escarp]

they had anti-air canons

[worthy rose]

it was a big part of the event

if u played i mean

[peak escarp]

the first task in the event was disabling the anti-air

[dawn halo]

Doesn't mean they can't get SAS personnel to London via land vehicles of the sea.

[worthy rose]

where is kings row in london? I imagine it's pretty far inland

Probably doesn't correspond to a real location

[peak escarp]

I think they didn't want to send in the army because there were hostages at risk

[worthy rose]

Even if it does, it probably doesn't matter too much

[dawn halo]

Then send in special forces and take care of the hostage situation by that!

[peak escarp]

but then Overwatch wouldn't get to step in

[worthy rose]

I think you're severely overestimating how powerful the british forces be

They can just execute the hostages

[peak escarp]

and that was the whole point of the incident

[worthy rose]

Plus, it seemed like they were pretty dug in.

[peak escarp]

from a meta point of view

[worthy rose]

Torbjorn needed to make a really powerful whatever-it-is to break down the door.

And also I think the UK government probably did call in their own forces but with the delicate situation they weren't able to do anything about it

[regal coyote]

basically UK goverment in ow is a bunch of assholes

cant deal with a situation and yet complains when people of ow actully defuses their situation.

i dont think talon wants extinction

[worthy rose]

I think that they would have dealt with it, if not as quickly, without the "massive power surge inside the facility"

Which is painfully obviously an excuse for a time limit

[peak escarp]

I think the massive power surge was Null Sector's response to Overwatch stepping in

(and yes, an excuse for a time limit in the game mode)

[worthy rose]

Sounds a little sketchy

[regal coyote]

sure talon want a 2nd omnic war, but they alson want a war situation in a controlled scale so advancement can be propergated

also a power surge or emp would be the worse thing null sector can do onto omnic population

it would be something deadly to omnic but does only moderate damage to humanoids

[worthy rose]

First, null sector is pro-omnic, if anything.

Second, that's literally the plot of the King's Row map.

[regal coyote]

while blizzard dont have the balls to do it, but it is more practical for the null sector to release bio agents instead, doing minimal effect on omnic yet deadly to organics

a emp stuff is anti omnic rather

[dawn halo]

Also, if Tracer, Rein, Torb, and Mercy were in Kings Row if Null Sector used biological warfare, they are getting sick without equipment made to combat bio agents.

Mercy included.

[teal meadow]

you think the null sector has a mastermind?

would be cool to see a evil robot hero on the lore that is connected to null sector instead than a generic orisa or bastion

[worthy rose]

no idea, they haven't stated anything

people want evil omnic maxi to be a hero

but like i'm not holding my breathe

[teal meadow]

he is connected to talon too tho

[worthy rose]

he's also so far the only evil sentient omnic character we know of

every other omnic seems to be neutral or not sentient

gwishin for example

Null sector of course being bad but I'd need to see more evil omnics that do anything or say anything

I wish Orisa had an armor piercing sword

I want a sword omnic that ignore armor

[teal meadow]

that could be a nice idea for an orisa rework

[peak escarp]

wouldn't fit her lore very well

[worthy rose]

Probably not

[teal meadow]

but sounds a bit off considerinf efi would have obviously removed the sword

[worthy rose]

Orisa isn't a killer, shes a guardian

[peak escarp]

the OR15 model Orisa was made from didnt have the sword

[teal meadow]

But maybe they could just reskin the meelee animation for us where she uses the sword

[peak escarp]

that was the OR14 from the crisis

[worthy rose]

But I can see an Orisa counterpart

But no way our Orisa would have that

[teal meadow]

Maybe not an orisa, but the uprising skin yes

About Orisa, there's something that bothers me.... how is she connected to overwatch?

[worthy rose]

I think we're fine without any more melee weapon characters

she's not

at all

like lucio

and dva

no actual connection

Yet

even other characters

their closest connection is they knew someone who was in overwatch

Korea may get help I hope

ashe

hammond

[peak escarp]

you can add Symmetra, Junkrat and Roadhog to that list

[worthy rose]

yep

If Overwatch turns the tides and defeats the evil omnic, the good PR may help a full revive

[peak escarp]

and Hanzo

[worthy rose]

naw

[teal meadow]

Honestly, genji invited Hanzo to join his side (so overwatch)

[worthy rose]

i don't think they're going that route on the grounds that overwatch got shut down and any overwatch activity atm is considered illegal and will be punished if they're caught

[peak escarp]

that's not the same as being connected to Overwatch

[worthy rose]

I hope Hammond joins

I mean assumingly

@worthy rose which could get reversed with good pR

[peak escarp]

if Hanzo counts as connected to Overwatch, then so does Widowmaker

[worthy rose]

If Talon sparks a new crisis, the world may need new heroes

I don't think so; maybe it'll be a new Overwatch but I don't expect Tracer and Winston doing good will turn legislation

Having an entire country or region backing them up would

Korea backs them up

didn't mean shit

Overwatch is international and there was a lot of bureaucracy blocking their path to do good

we see that with the case of the uprising event

and why black watch had to go in and figure out what happened in retribution

a country's backing means nothing so now they're outlaws basically for the most part trying to do good

I just hope the plot moves forward at some point

Get the gang back together at some point

Then the next phase

[peak escarp]

it will

[elfin tree]

time to get banned

[peak escarp]

we just need patience

[worthy rose]

I give it a couple more years; I'm just hoping the new characters they introduce in game will have a stronger tie into the main Overwatch vs Talon story

[peak escarp]

I think things will pick up this year, when the comics resume

whenever that happens

[worthy rose]

I'm expecting archives

[peak escarp]

there's only one person left to answer the recall, unless they add new former Overwatch heroes

[worthy rose]

personally I hope they do away with the winter wonderland event and put more emphasis in story and campaign like missions for the game since thats where I'd argue a large majority of the fan base has fun

[teal meadow]

well, there's eco

They are never going to change the events. expecially winter wonderland

[peak escarp]

we already know that Echo is being sent to answer the recall

[worthy rose]

There's always hoping

I know I was fairly disappointed that there wasn't many new things to do

For all the events minus archives

Lucio ball, Junkenstein, Yeti Hunt, a new game mode for the events I'd argue would go a long way

[teal meadow]

They could change stuff a little, like maybe add a junkertown map for junkenstein's revenge or new maps for the seasonal brawls

but they work hard expecially for archives and other stuff

the only thing a i see possible, is add some mini updates or "events" between the major ones

[worthy rose]

they have to work hard for archives because it is the most fan favorited event

it's literally the closest thing to a story mode campaign we'll ever get

[timid eagle]

It's basically Lore-Day for those who want to know more about this universe.

[worthy rose]

Yep

[dawn halo]

And once the event is released, a ton of people are going to be here to discuss the event and implications.

Am I right?

[worthy rose]

Whatever it takes.

Some people will play the event for loot boxes and not discuss the implications

But not us.

[peak escarp]

I think it's likely that we'll get information about it (or at the very least, a teaser) some time this coming week

watching the Retribution reveal got me nostalgic

[worthy rose]

i mean honestly

and i do think this

they'll probably come in like "Soldier is gay?!"

Most ppl come in usually have a misconception of some sort with this game's lore and story

[frosty shell]

Hasn't every single period of Gwishin activity ended in a stalemate of some form?

Also, as for why the British didn't take care of Null Sector by themselves, maybe they didn't want to leave Null Sector active and fighting

[violet lodge]

Go to jukebox

[frosty shell]

hmmm

During the reveal panel of Overwatch in 2014, Chris Metzen hinted that Kings Row was built during the Omnic Crisis or prior

Which is evidence against my theory that Omnics only gained free will after the Crisis

because I doubt Omnics would've built their own city if they didn't have free will

I do wonder if maybe London was occupied by the Omnics during the Crisis

It would explain why there's so much tension between Omnics and humans in London, and why King's Row exists.

Ooooh, I think I came across a common misconception about the Omnic Crisis

Nowhere is it said that the Omniums were destroyed by Overwatch

It merely says that Overwatch destroyed the omnic command and control protocols

[worthy rose]

some people are saying baptiste is gay, is that true?

well the chat were in xQc's stream

[slow goblet]

It’s not confirmed. His sexuality has not been revealed last I checked. It’s possible, but we don’t know for sure which way he swings.

[worthy rose]

Gonna be honest here, does it matter?

His backstory is a lot deeper, and unless it's with Sombra I'm not invested in his relationships yet.

It's different for characters like Soldier or Ana, since they have several relationships of varying degrees with other characters and we want some of those juicy details.

ok thanks

[shell path]

Baptiste being gay would be fucking sweet

[worthy rose]

I'd rather him be bi or omnic-sexual so we can get more pairings

Paris omnic is bae

[shell path]

I'm not sure what omnic sexual is

Considering even omnics have gender in overwatch

[placid lynx]

I think that these concepts don't really contribute to much except making every party happy a d for fan fiction drawers and writers.

[shell path]

I think culturally they contribute well

It helps expand media and make a safer environment for people in the long run

Ignorance needs to be stamped out.

Sheltering won't ever change that.

[worthy rose]

Well, omnic sexual

I say that because

well sex and gender differ

and some people are just gonna wanna tap robots

who knows what the peeps in overwatch think

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dawn halo]

Post Omnic Crisis, are omniums made for developing civilian type omnics still in use?

[frosty shell]

yes

We assume

It seems that Omnics are still being made in Numbani

[opaque ice]

mcree is sans

[dawn halo]

@opaque ice Shitposting, don't do it on this channel.

[opaque ice]

ok srry

[tired pewter]

The only way baptiste can be gay is if J.K Rowling is given any creative authority for Overwatch

[dawn halo]

Two things I'd add on to what you said Alex;

1. Numbani probably has restrictions on what class of omnics are made
2. They would do it as it would bring it benefits economically and diplomatically via exporting omnics before they have the free will.

[peak escarp]

Zenyatta is listed as 20 years old

[dawn halo]

And the Omnic Crisis was over by then.

[tired pewter]

I know Orisa is a altered OR-15 bot, but who made her?

[peak escarp]

he was made after the crisis

Efi made her

[tired pewter]

& efi is...?

Link pls

[dawn halo]

So it's probable that there are still omniums being mantained and producing omnics, but at a reduced rate and/or with restrictions.

[peak escarp]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/20580087

she's also in Orisa's origin story

[dawn halo]

I still can see militaristic omnics being built too, but with less power or numbers than during the Omnic Crisis.

Verdict: Likely there are omniums still operating but not as powerful or much than before or during the Omnic Crisis.

And about the diplomatic benefits Numbani has for being the major country or place supplying omnics, sanctioning or embargoing other countries can have effects for those countries that don't follow international law, especially the countries that rely on omnics.

Being a (potential) major source for omnics gives Numbani a diplomatic advantage.

[frosty shell]

yes, Numbani built OR-15s

[dawn halo]

I think OR-14's are more dangerous than OR-15's.

Because OR-14's are an Omnic Crisis era military omnic while OR-15's aren't.

So they were more likely to be killers than OR-15's.

[clever silo]

I don’t think we’ve seen enough of what OR-15’s can do

To be able to say one way or another

[tired pewter]

Werent they the ones that sliced rein's cheek?

Id say they're pretty formidible

[limpid agate]

Orisa lost the sword, but gained the shield and graviton

Her guns were also upgraded from machine guns to fusion cannons

[worthy rose]

cause protection/guardian instead of warrior machine

[peak escarp]

they're basically police bots

[worthy rose]

imagine if police wielded machine guns irl

it wouldn't be nice

[dapper shuttle]

https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/overwatch_gamepedia/3/30/Widowmaker_visiting_Gérard's_grave.png?version=82f4336913c65d19a9cfb2caed3c9dbb Hey have we ever discussed Gérard's tomb? The soil looks like it was very recently disturbed. There's snow on the tombstone, there should be snow on the ground. It can't be the tombstone's shadow because the sky is grey and the sunlight is diffuse thanks to the clouds covering the sky, making it so that there's no shadow anywhere. The other tombstone in frame doesn't have a shadow.

[peak escarp]

she might have cleared the snow away herself?

[dapper shuttle]

ah there you go, that's smart

That's very, hm, yeah it has to be that !

mystery solved !

She doesn't feel the cold, she probably did it with her bare hands

Aw that's such a satisfying explanation too

[peak escarp]

. . .

[dapper shuttle]

no /s

[limpid agate]

The soil looks like it was very recently disturbed

I'll take any detail from that artist not directly touched on by Chu with a grain of salt

[worthy rose]

Oh man, I have such a golden joke atm but no shitposting

[limpid agate]

There are a lot of things that are off on that spread alone

[dapper shuttle]

I've seen people remove snow from tombs when they visit their loved ones, that makes a lot of sense, that's very likely what happened there

[peak escarp]

Reflections has already been noted as one comic with a LOT of artistic inconsistencies

[dapper shuttle]

Snow or dirt, or leaves,e tc

[limpid agate]

It was probably just to bring more attention to that grave

Rather than the ohters next to it

Which are also browner than they should be

[peak escarp]

where is that said?

[white cobalt]

Also widow is using her tactical visor?

[peak escarp]

I think she's just wearing it

possibly to make her more recognizable

[white cobalt]

Yeah, I was wondering a bit why she was wearing it when in masquerade appears without it. But yeah, makes sense

[limpid agate]

@tired pewter Source.

[worthy rose]

le tumbleweed

[peak escarp]

that frame in Reflections is the only time Widowmaker visiting Gerard's grave is ever mentioned

[limpid agate]

I think he said he blocked me, someone else ping asking for the source.

If he doesn't supply one, I'm gonna dispose of him. I gave him too many chances for worse in the past.

[peak escarp]

this is the same guy who corrected me yesterday and said Mercy wasn't Swiss, she's Austrian

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards.

[peak escarp]

this is how misinformation spreads

[limpid agate]

I've been too merciful already. We are moving on.

@white cobalt Already answered, but in an attempt to carry forward.
Probably just artistic design. Same reason why she is wearing her Talon uniform boots under her coat.

By which I mean

Modern uniform, like, the bodysuit

Not the "talon" skin

[white cobalt]

You're right, I mean many artist took some liberty to design or like Six said to make her more recognizable. I was pointing it just because I was remembering masquerade Widowmaker without her equipment, so I found it odd seeing her with her boots/visor

[dapper shuttle]

When I refresh the Story Discussion official forum I get this for like a tenth of a second

https://imgur.com/8AabVth

[limpid agate]

Yeah its a weird bug

[dapper shuttle]

oh yeah, happens on other parts of the forums, my bad

[limpid agate]

I think its just a Discourse thing

[dapper shuttle]

How long has it been around for?

[limpid agate]

I first noticed it when I first started using it

So when STory Discussion was made

[teal meadow]

You think Mercy might try to save widowmaker brain in the future?

[worthy rose]

That's more of a Moira thing

[limpid agate]

And no.

[shy ferry]

was tracer born thicc

[cunning ledge]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[ionic tiger]

Maybe ill be tracer

[plain panther]

Is there a source that just has the whole story so I can catch up without knowing anything?

[peak escarp]

check the pins on this channel

[paper shuttle]

does anybody know a way tp get out of paris on ptr im trying everything and its not working

[lapis oracle]

you mean out of the map?

[cunning ledge]

those are usually patched quite early

unfortunately

[teal meadow]

Still, who is the owner of that castle/mansion on paris?

[dawn halo]

There is a Cheteau before Paris was a thing in the game.

[teal meadow]

Inside there are decorations and stuff, like they are getting ready for a party

[iron plume]

the party is a celebration of omnic rights legislation being passed

[teal meadow]

Like the ice sculpture

[peak escarp]

it a party to celebrate the passing of controversial omnic legistation

[iron plume]

and some people are fairly certain to not like it

[teal meadow]

Like talon?

[iron plume]

not necessarily

there's opposition to it in France itself too

[worthy rose]

Talon doesn't care i'd say

they just wanna cause conflict and strife

[peak escarp]

there isn't any Talon connection to the Paris map

[dawn halo]

Besides Widowmaker being French.

[peak escarp]

Widowmaker's home isn't in Paris

that's like saying Soldier is connected to Route 66 because it's in America

[worthy rose]

I don't think that's the same comparison; isn't widow's home that chateau in the ocean they made into a FFA?

[peak escarp]

it's in a lake, but yes

[teal meadow]

i mean, i don't really consider that chateou a house...

it only had a living room.... no kitchen, no bedroom, and i know they are french, but they probably don't piss on the lake

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[plucky magnet]

we do know widow used to be a dancer in paris

[timid eagle]

Didn't Soldier (in the Halloween event) stated he's from Bloomington, Indiana?

[limpid agate]

@plucky magnet Not Paris specifically, just in general

@timid eagle That is what the Soldier said.

[timid eagle]

Okay, it's hard to make sure that what is said in that event is cannon or not.

[plucky magnet]

check the description of the odette/odille skin

[peak escarp]

we don't have access to every room in the Chateau

and even then, its stylized for the sake of gameplay

[dawn halo]

Later on, I think we will see more of the Chateau as an actual residence in lore.

[peak escarp]

possibly

[dawn halo]

It may even become a plot point within Archives, like a Talon raid on the Chateau that goes horribly wrong.

[peak escarp]

why would they raid the home of one of their agents?

[dawn halo]

It could be where they capture Amélie and they have to get out from a well armed residence.

[worthy rose]

Cover?

[peak escarp]

iirc, when Chatueau was revealed it was said that Widowmaker had recently claimed the property, and it had been long abandoned by the Guillard family

I think it would be too small for an Achives mission

[dawn halo]

Could Blizzard make a two part Archives mission, one at the Chateau, then another somewhere else?

[worthy rose]

i don't think fans would like that

[devout sable]

really doubtful for Chateau to appear in Archives

I think that it could appear in an animated short or a comic

[worthy rose]

the idea of a two part mission and having fans wait another year just for part 2 would i think piss them off

[iron plume]

they didn't mean over two years

just that the mission itself would be broken up

[worthy rose]

why would an archive mission be split up into two parts released at once?

[iron plume]

if it was on two maps, because it would be on two maps

I don't think it's particularly likely but that's why it'd be a two-parter

[worthy rose]

so like going from widow's chateau to paris or vice versa?

[iron plume]

apparently

[dawn halo]

@worthy rose I actually meant is the mission itself has two parts separated by a transition, like once the first part is done, a transition occurs then the Archives continued.

[worthy rose]

wat?

I need like an idea or an example to understand

like if u were going to implement this, how would u show it i guess

[dawn halo]

Once the first part is done, something like an aerial vehicle comes and picks up the heroes, then we have panels and/or cinematics act as a transition to the next part, which then the mission finishes to completion.

[worthy rose]

okay I gotcha

[dawn halo]

I'm sorry for not replying earlier.

[worthy rose]

I don't think they'd do that honestly; Only on the grounds that reskinning two maps for the purpose of said mission would be more work for the developers but I can see what you mean

[dawn halo]

Regardless of the reskinning, would it bring something new to Archives?

[worthy rose]

The point of archives is exploring previous missions and getting all those juicy bits of lore and story
Archives has always been a 4 man battle
Kings Row being a reskin
And Rialto I believe being fairly new or introduced later on in the map pool

So do you mean new to archives as in story

or like modes of play

Cause I think the mode of play is fine

[dawn halo]

My thinking about a two part Archives according to my definition relates more to the mode of playing, as story is something I won't get into because I got into a pickle because of it.

[worthy rose]

So is ur idea
4 heroes come in, finish first part
Second part of mission starts with 4 other heroes?

No, same four.

Literally a normal Archives mission with a cutscene to switch maps.

[dawn halo]

Doomed is right about it on a hero basis.

[wary atlas]

Ever since the patch Lucio is now renamed to slowio

[worthy rose]

@wary atlas please don't shitpost here.

[woeful path]

so whats up with the goddess spray for baptiste? something with lore i expect

[peak escarp]

it's the tattoo on his shoulder

probably a voodoo goddess, like Maman Brigitte

hence why the spray is called Goddess

[neon wraith]

curious question about roadhog, are his nails black because of dirt and other destructive things or is it just black nail polish like the deadlock gang?

[peak escarp]

it's been said that it's not nail polish

[neon wraith]

oh god, ew

[peak escarp]

they're probably black/rotted due to radiation poisoning

[worthy rose]

I wonder what his face looks like

He's probably one ugly SOB

[neon wraith]

why do i get the feeling that he isn't

he's not gorgeous of course, but he's not straight up ugly

[peak escarp]

could be anything at this point

[worthy rose]

Considering he's an irradiated obese man with poor hygiene, I doubt it

[peak escarp]

early concept art gave him an actual pig face

[neon wraith]

fair points, i just think he looks hella average

[worthy rose]

What metric are you using for "hella average"

We do'nt even know what his face looks like.

[neon wraith]

average as in, not good looking, a little odd looking, but not ugly

[worthy rose]

Again, how are you able to judge what his face looks like if we can't see his face.

[neon wraith]

idk man

[worthy rose]

Exactly.

[neon wraith]

but while we're on the topic...

[worthy rose]

I'm curious if RH is a mutant at this point

or just sick

[neon wraith]

is there any source for where or how junkrat lost his arm and leg?

[limpid agate]

HotS is not a reliable source for lore

BUT
Its implied in HotS that he blew it up

[peak escarp]

it could still be true

we just shouldn't point to the HotS lines as proof of canon

knowing his history with explosives, it's likely that he just blew them off

Torb's arm is the only missing limb we have the story for

[neon wraith]

ouch

[limpid agate]

And Genji

Also not a limb, but Ana's eye

[neon wraith]

in ana's case, widow blew her eye out no?

[peak escarp]

we know how she lost her artificial eye

but not her original eye before that

Doomfist, McCree, Junkrat and Symmetra's missing arms still haven't had their story told

[neon wraith]

i thought mccree's got ripped off by bob though

[warm remnant]

X

[peak escarp]

nope

[neon wraith]

wh

[peak escarp]

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[neon wraith]

so why did ashe say "ill rebuild bob and have him rip off your other arm"

unless that's unrelated

gah

[peak escarp]

because why would you threaten to rip off an arm that was already ripped off?

[neon wraith]

ok anyways...

since you mentioned torb earlier, it brought back a thing i remembered about how some character's skills are actually in their arsenal like hanzo's scatter arrows despite that not being a skill anymore, so it makes me wonder, is resurrect an actual thing mercy can do?

[peak escarp]

no

[worthy rose]

no

[valid shell]

Not until shown canonically.

[neon wraith]

ah, alright

[valid shell]

Scatter Arrow has been shown canonically.

In Dragons.

[worthy rose]

and i dont think they'll show her bringing the dead back

pretty sure resurrect is just reviving someone from near-death

[limpid agate]

Before you ask

Genji did not die

[valid shell]

Don't

Don't say the R-name

[worthy rose]

It's like white magic revive spells in RPG's

[neon wraith]

also i wasn't going to

[worthy rose]

it's not necromancy unless the soul has left the body :^)

[valid shell]

Don't say the R-name in the same sentence as Mercy.

[peak escarp]

she can save someone who is near death or clinically dead (like modern doctors can)

[worthy rose]

Reaper?

[valid shell]

D ON'T

[iron plume]

jesus christ chill the fuck down a bit

[worthy rose]

She probably "revives" people from shock and trauma

[iron plume]

no one was even bringing it up

[peak escarp]

but she can't magically resurrect someone like she does in the game

[worthy rose]

Stuff that leaves you unable to continue on

[neon wraith]

i was going to say though, how did she manage to bring back people from the dead but not discover limb regeneration first

good to know that's not a real thing