It wasn't. It was just some kid holding it
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
If I kid hits you with a mace it'll hurt
If a guy with a robotic arm that lets him punch through concrete hits you with a mace, you'll probably die
worthy rose
Newsflash - The genera is call fantasy is supposed to be unrealistic.
limpid agate
@tawny patio Ana was not shot in the eye. Her scope was shot, and the fragments of it went into her eye.
Winston is wearing armor.
Hanzo's dragons appear to behave the same as Sym's orbs, which were stated to be an "energy drain"
As said above about Widowmaker, it was a kid holding it rather than Doomfist.
As for Genji, we don't know the extent of his injuries, just that he is missing a number of limbs. Did Hanzo cut them off? Or did he just cut the spine and disable Genji?
oak yew
Yeah
viscid dagger
i mean im pretty sure he cut his spine and also cut off some limbs because unless they gave him a robotic spine that only works with robotic parts why would half his body be replaced with cybernetics
limpid agate
That would be redundant
The cutting his spine and then his limbs
One of his arms was replaced at least
As well as his legs
But he still has his reproductive system
viscid dagger
well waht if he cut some limbs then his spine
limpid agate
We don't know what Hanzo did exactly
viscid dagger
true
limpid agate
Except for one decicive cut implied by the banner
dawn halo
I think Hanzo amputated the limbs and paralyzed Genji.
viscid dagger
maybe he legit cut him in half
dawn halo
That's brutal, what cut did Hanzo make ,horizontally or vertically?
viscid dagger
and overwatch heard of the commotion and got their barely in time
horizontal
if it was verticle his brain would be in 2 peices
if it was all the way through his body
dawn halo
I don't believe the dissection theory, because Genji would have been loosing a lot of blood a second, too much to get to a hospital in time.
viscid dagger
well i mean its overwatch mercy literally revies people out of thin air
dawn halo
It's not canon.
viscid dagger
oh
dawn halo
I believe that Hanzo cut Genji's back, enough to hit bone, and that paralyzed Genji, making sure he can't escape.
viscid dagger
maybe he was turned facing the banner and hanzo cut him paralyzing him because then that would line up his blackwatch skin where the last of his human tissue is with the cut on hanamura
cause if he had his back turn that would line up with what you said too
peak escarp
whatever the case, he was left unable to walk
dawn halo
Does that support the paralyzed Genji theory?
Or my fusion theory of a amputated/paralyzed Genji theory.
peak escarp
could be either
during Retribution he tells McCree that he agreed to be cyberized because he wanted to walk again
he could have been unable to walk because he was paralyzed, and his legs were amputate to facilitate cyborg legs
or he could have had his legs severed during the fight and been unable to walk because of that
hollow spruce
peak escarp
or he could have been both paralyzed and had his legs severed
which is a bit of overkill, but we don't know the specifics of the fight
glass quest
hello maties
tired pewter
He probably got his arm and leg chopped off then handsoap came in for the fight ender and severed his spine
worthy rose
Probably with Archives.
supple bear
Why did we get a cutscene for retribution but not for uprising
peak escarp
maybe they hadn't thought of it at the time
or based on the success of The Plan, they figured in-game cinematics would be worth doing for Archives
dawn halo
So would they do it again?
peak escarp
I think they would do it again
limpid agate
With some Nesskain mixed in
Back then they were experimenting with art styles still
dawn halo
Panels or in game cinematics for opening sequences of Archives?
supple bear
Was the plan like a cutscene for the introduction of junkertown?
limpid agate
Yes
supple bear
Ahhh
limpid agate
It wasn't until Moira where Nesskain became a mainstay for their origin shorts
Before that they were incredibly varied
peak escarp
he had done work for them before - he drew a couple comics
but I like having him as the "official" origin story artist
dawn halo
What about a 2d animated Archives introduction like the Doomfist origin story.
limpid agate
Would be cool
dawn halo
Do we have any numbers on how long it took for Doomfist Origin Story to be animated.
limpid agate
It was made by Wolf Smoke Studios
They have made one thing since then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQnT3bHBAvs
peak escarp
2D animation takes longer than 3D animation, I think
dawn halo
But is it possible for Blizzard to have them animate a 2D Archives introduction?
limpid agate
Of course its possible. But probably not feasible.
worthy rose
The still images were good enough
Something like the Hearthstone animated slide thing would be great
dawn halo
My ideal Archives introduction is three origin story like panels, two to start the introduction which then transitions to cinematics for the majority of the introduction, and the last panel concludes the introduction and returns to in game graphics after a fade in like in Uprising.
Basically a fusion of the execution of Uprising and Retribution's introductions together.
dawn halo
There was only one panel during the introduction, panel heavy part was in the conclusion.
peak escarp
I like how they did it for Retribution
I kinda wish they would redo Uprising to match
dawn halo
For story reasons, yeah, like fuse a few of the panels together to create a somewhat long panel, before going into cinematics, like showing NS' AA guns firing their dropship crash into a tube station and caused the agents to disembark early, like have some dialogue between the characters regarding what happened before the players pick their character.
idle rose
Who is throbs wif
peak escarp
marble marlin
Ingrid!!!
peak escarp
at least we know where Brigitte got her looks
peak escarp
who knows
they could be zoo apes, or other research specimens
whatever they were, they're probably long dead
peak escarp
why would Torb have more than one wife?
and she's normal sized
I want to know more about Brigitte's siblings
and any siblings the other heroes might have
dawn halo
I think Torb's other children have technology-related occupations.
peak escarp
judging by the fact that she has all those nieces/nephews, Brigitte's siblings must be quite a bit older than her
dawn halo
Yes, and further reinforced that Brigitte is the youngest child, and she is 23.
peak escarp
the oldest one looks to be at least 10 years old, so Brigitte's next oldest sibling could be around 30
looking again, I'd say the oldest child (the one right in front of Brigitte) might be closer to 13-14
dawn halo
And what book does Rein have in his hand?
dawn halo
He is, and he probably is as tall or taller than Doomfist, and probably has at least 50 kilos of muscle mass. And he still has it as an old man (61 years old.)
worthy rose
He's definitely taller than Doomfist.
winged wigeon
hello
tired pewter
Did rein ever have a waifu
tired pewter
an alpha male through & through
peak escarp
a what?
tired pewter
Its complicated
timid eagle
Rein definitely seems the kind of person that has dated. Dude is a brick house and is incredibly charming.
Also, it’s funny how people keep forgetting that Reinhardt is naturally huge.
timid eagle
I do wish We have stats with how tall Reinhardt is OUTSIDE his armour.
@tired pewter I have always assumed he was naturally big.
limpid agate
@tired pewter Its spelled Huge*
If you are here to shitpost, you will be disposed of.
tired pewter
I wonder who 2 blocked messages is
tired pewter
So youre implying brig is like 6'1
timid eagle
In the comics, he’s portrayed as being a giant.
So who knows how gosh darn tall Rein is outside his armour.
limpid agate
@worthy rose Rein's height is in his reference kit
peak escarp
limpid agate
But that might include his armor
limpid agate
7'4 is what's in the kit
peak escarp
he's big, but still within normal human possibility
worthy rose
and orisa i think
limpid agate
We don't know the heights of Genji, Mei, D.Va, and post launch heroes other than Hammond.
dawn halo
For reference, The top 3 tallest people are at or over over 8'0
limpid agate
Hammond is about 1'3.
worthy rose
that's tall
limpid agate
That's "Pikachu sized"
timid eagle
Ah, about as big as a teddy bear.
dawn halo
In game, is there a height difference between specific characters?
worthy rose
yes
limpid agate
Yes
worthy rose
all
limpid agate
Go look at Torb vs Widow
Or even just Lucio/Tracer/D.Va compared to each other, and then next to Soldier 76
worthy rose
mei next to roadhog
limpid agate
I couldnt tell you
worthy rose
she's taller than torb
limpid agate
She's taller than Lucio and shorter than Widowmaker
timid eagle
I always thought she was about 5ft 5In.
dawn halo
And do we have an official height for Widowmaker?
limpid agate
Yes, 5'9
dawn halo
So she's in between 5'3 and 5'9.
worthy rose
i think she's 5'3
dawn halo
Any idea what angle Tracer's legs are bent at?
worthy rose
no
dawn halo
Tracer's height is 5'4
Stalin was around that height too.
So we have a low end, using fractions between Tracer and Lúcio, a medium end between Tracer and Genji or Mercy, both of whom are 5'7, and a high end between Mercy and/or Genji, and Widowmaker.
In actual terms, Low End: fractions between 5'3 and 5'4.
Median end: 5'4 - 5'7
High end: 5'7 - 5'9
worthy rose
what about the other more huge heroes
timid eagle
Both Soldier and Reaper are 6’1.
dawn halo
Zarya is 6'5.
worthy rose
roadhog is 7'3
peak escarp
Moira is pretty tall
worthy rose
doomfist is 6'6
dawn halo
Do we have an official height?
worthy rose
yes
peak escarp
we don't have exact numbers for Moira, but she's taller than the other Blackwatch members in the Retribution lineup
dawn halo
Even taller than Reyes?
worthy rose
yes
timid eagle
Probably 6’4 or 6’5.
peak escarp
dawn halo
At least 6'1 to 6'3 as our range, and she is tall for a female.
And McCree is around 6'1 too.
peak escarp
they're all tall
dawn halo
Do we have official height for Genji?
peak escarp
nope
dawn halo
Do we have for Hanzo?
timid eagle
5’8, perhaps?
dawn halo
And do we have any real life examples of younger brothers surpassing the height of the older brother?
peak escarp
probably plenty
timid eagle
“Size isn’t everything.” 😉
dawn halo
Blues, we are discussing height so size is everything.
peak escarp
I'm still annoyed that they haven't posted reference kits for any of the post-launch heroes
dawn halo
But we can still use model scaling and numbers to approximate post launch hero heights.
timid eagle
That’s true, along with filling in the gaps for the other launch heroes.
I’m always shocked about Junkrat’s staggering 6’6.
peak escarp
he's lanky
dawn halo
The radiation's strong with Junkrat.
timid eagle
Well, he’s always hunched over, so I keep forgetting that he’s so tall.
dawn halo
Strong enough to jump his height, and respectful to not try and kill him, just fuck his mind up enough into a criminal mindset.
tired pewter
Pretty sure he's always had felonius tendencies
dawn halo
That's why I said criminal mindset.
worthy rose
So
I know we don't know anything yet about the archives event
but assuming that they do do something new
I would ask that we come together and ask what 4 heroes would be together
and that's not me saying this this is what the site says
cause it's always a 4 man squad
Assuming that they'd want to use some members, I think Ana and Soldier are next contenders to be picked
gray wigeon
there is a 95% chance that it is a talon event according to leaks and leaked achievements
gray wigeon
are they?
limpid agate
Yes
dawn halo
We already have discussed the likely four heroes if it relates to a Talon mission; Doomfist, Widowmaker, Sombra, and Baptiste, suggesting this Archives was before Bap deserted Talon.
@gray wigeon, don't refute this, this has been discussed in the past.
gentle token
Plus with the fact that Overwatch has 3 major factions it makes sense for the last one to be repped for this event
dawn halo
Yes, but that's not four.
dawn halo
And I don't see Vishkar nor the Junkers being able to have history in Overwatch's records so no Archives for both.
gray wigeon
blackwatch is the 3
worthy rose
I'm not sure Baptiste would make the cut for the event due to the amount of planning they'd have to do in advance to prepare him
Idk is that a valid reason?
limpid agate
@worthy rose He was in their builds since November
gentle token
Overwatch, Blackwatch, and Talon. I meant those 3 as in the ones we know most about/are talked mostly about in past events. But I would'nt be against Vishkar and Junkers in the future. And yes I know Blackwatch is a part of Overwatch, but they have enough in game and lore heroes to be considered a top 3, at least in my mind.
queen inlet
nonre
worthy rose
Doom, Baptiste, Sombra, And widow
limpid agate
@gentle token Blackwatch is not a different faction
dawn halo
@queen inlet Please stay out of this, and shitpost.
limpid agate
Blackwatch is Overwatch
queen inlet
ok
worthy rose
just black ops
gentle token
I just explained my reasoning for calling it so
limpid agate
Its like saying @queen inlet Final warning
I know what you said
But at the same time
Junkers has as much
queen inlet
what
limpid agate
And is actually a distinct faction
dawn halo
Blackwatch is basically a subdivision of Overwatch, equivalent to a special ops force in an actual armed force.
But with darker undertones.
gentle token
Faction wasn't the best wording
More like group
3 major groups. Talon being the next big big group
dawn halo
I would like a shake up in how many heroes are in this year's Archives.
worthy rose
yea but Archives event is usually overwatch related since it is called overwatch archives so I'm curious how they'll show the event to us
cause idk if sombra would hack into her own mission
gentle token
It would be interesting but 4 seems to be Blizzards fave number between all the Archives and Halloween modes
peak escarp
PvE seems to be balanced around 4
dawn halo
That makes it hard, because Blizzard is running out of Overwatch affiliated heroes that haven't been used.
peak escarp
they could repeat heroes
worthy rose
The next logical choice is a talon mission
dawn halo
Next logical choice, but Blizzard can curveball us.
worthy rose
Overwatch affiliated
gray wigeon
overwatch only has ana soldier and mei and winston left
worthy rose
Winston, Ana, Soldier
And Mei in story is non combatant
so i dont think she'd ever be used
gray wigeon
yeah she is frozen forgot about that
gentle token
Mei also has 2 winter events just for her
limpid agate
Ana and Mei won't be used in any historical OW missions
Ana used a Kinamura
Mei was frozen or a non-combatant
worthy rose
Kinamura?
dawn halo
It's Ana'a old sniper rifle.
gray wigeon
they might repeat tracer because you know she is a recruit so it would make sense
limpid agate
!!wiki Kinamura
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Kinamura
worthy rose
could they not just change the weapon skin?
limpid agate
Uprising was her first mission
worthy rose
Winston would be playable
valid shell
We talking Archives?
limpid agate
Yes
dawn halo
We are!
valid shell
But I thought there was already a clear winner.
gray wigeon
yeah talon is what i thought
limpid agate
And then after that, in the 5th Archives (if one exists), make it set in the present day with the new team
gray wigeon
yeah that works
limpid agate
Overwatch
Blackwatch
Talon
Overwatch again
New Overwatch
gentle token
Blizz probably isn't above twisting the game to not be exactly lore conscious in terms of weapons. I mean, Retribution had shadow powers Reyes and were McCree and Genji aware in lore he had those,m
valid shell
They're really running out of highway on this four-character lore-based yearly event thing.
limpid agate
Exactly
So they'll probably change gears to present day eventually
But not right away
worthy rose
sounds about right and reasonable
valid shell
We can only hope.
dawn halo
They can use comics to explain the pure canon version of the events.
worthy rose
Tho Talon seems the likely candidate
valid shell
It's the standout atm.
worthy rose
Makes me wonder how the event will work out
limpid agate
If we only get Echo, they can make next year's event Soldier 76/Winston/Echo/I feel I am forgetting someone
valid shell
Doomfist, Sombra, and Widowmaker all have Talon skins, and Baptiste is obviously getting a Talon Grunt skin in Archives.
dawn halo
@limpid agate Like what Doctor suggested, they can repeat heroes if need to be.
gentle token
Usually a week before the event
limpid agate
Next week or the week after
worthy rose
thank you!
dawn halo
We have two possiblities, and Blizzard is unpredictable with stuff like this, we have the Talon mission, which I think relates to killing some people, because their Talon.
gray wigeon
event is officially the first tuesday in april
gentle token
Also makes me wonder who the people Talon would be figuring would be. It could be another Overwatch vs Talon, but I doubt it
Fighting*
worthy rose
It could actually be Talon's earlier years
remember back in the early days they weren't known as a terrorist group or cell
dawn halo
I think it'll relate to one of their other enemies or civilians getting in their way that needs to be taught a lesson.
worthy rose
and we know this from baptiste story line
maybe we see Talon's motivations better and understand doomfist in a better light
other than "natural selection this bitch"
gentle token
That's true, it could be a security group belonging to X group
Lol, love the description of df
worthy rose
that really be what he about
dawn halo
Let's take a moment to see Doomfist the Badass for a moment, he's Nigerian, he has a manly voice, he's a martial artist with a badass gauntlet to back it up.
And he is a combat beast only canonically defeated by Winston.
worthy rose
yea but we never see him in action only in that one moment and in his jail break
besides
i'd like to see more sombra doom interaction
gentle token
Doomfist's animation for his jailbreak was amazing
dawn halo
To add on, his fight against Genji and Tracer.
dawn halo
He just destroyed both heroes without putting effort.
limpid agate
It could actually be Talon's earlier years
It won't
It has to be post-Retribution
Widow, Reaper, and (arguably) Moira were not Talon agents yet
gentle token
Has it been confirmed that the archives are going in chronological order?
dawn halo
It's unpredictable, just like the lore itself.
gentle token
Ah
gray wigeon
i am happy i found this it is finally a place that talks about lore
dawn halo
We discuss a ton of things, from what the Archives could be, to character's heights.
gray wigeon
yep
dawn halo
Hell, to theorizing and debating about the Omnic Crisis.
gray wigeon
i joined in to what is moiras height?
gentle token
Isn't she like 6ft+
gray wigeon
idk
dawn halo
I have set a range of 6'1 - 6'5, between Reyes and Zarya.
Moria is in between those two characters in terms of height, but Moria is leaning closer towards the low end for now.
gray wigeon
she is taller than reyes
dawn halo
And Doctor_Six, he made a Book of Chu with all of the small answers answered by the game's lead writer.
Bookmark it if you want to.
I suggest you take it so you don't ask such questions again.
limpid agate
Questioning things is good, but not when you have to ask a pile of questions that get answered by "Read the comics"
tired pewter
Teehee
worthy rose
I kinda wanna know about Pharah and like why she didn't wanna seek her own mom out
like yea ur hurt she didn't seek u out after "dying"
tired pewter
Apperantly pharah didnt like her mom that much
worthy rose
but like
tired pewter
Even before her botched murder
worthy rose
its yah mom fam, and u thought she was dead
dawn halo
Ana was hiding as Shrike, and later, Baset. And she and Fareeha had a strained relationship before her death.
And probably like Morrison, faked her death to go into hiding.
gentle token
How old was Pharah when Ana lost the duel with Widow? Depending on her age she may not have been old enough to try
gentle token
How old was she when Pharah was born?
dawn halo
Probably around her late twenties to early thirties, as Fareeha is 32 at present day.
dawn halo
Those two ages are coincidences.
tired pewter
ana literally straight up abandoned pharah because she failed
worthy rose
no
peak escarp
Pharah was also in the Egyptian military, so I doubt she had the freedom to go looking for her mother
worthy rose
thats not fair
she was literally extremely wounded with memory issues
and she sent pharah a letter
tired pewter
"Pharah: I always dreamed of the day we would fight together.
Ana: Wanting a better life for you is all I ever dreamed of."
dawn halo
That was in Arabic but that doesn't matter.
peak escarp
which Pharah still hasn't responded to
worthy rose
Wanting a better life for you meant not a life of war, a life of overwatch
not abandoning her
tired pewter
Clearly not enough TBI damage to be a schmuck to her commando daughter
peak escarp
it's implied that Ana was the reason Pharah was never invited to join Overwatch
tired pewter
She didnt want her in it
dawn halo
Ana is second in command after Morrison, so she did have power to deny people from induction into Overwatch.
tired pewter
ana didnt want her in any sort of military career
worthy rose
she didn't want her daughter to constantly be in danger and I don't think she's wrong for that
tired pewter
and when she saw pharah doing just that she scorned her
peak escarp
she would have joined the Egyptian military before Ana vanished
tired pewter
Well at some point you have to accept your daughter is an adult and her own person.
dawn halo
Fun fact: Ana threatened to shoot Fareeha in the eye for asking for a toy gun.
peak escarp
. . .
tired pewter
In the first months of the game it was obvious that Pharah had a very strained and damaged relationship, where the mere mention of her mother would make pharah uncomfortable like in her interaction with winston.
dawn halo
And the threat Ana said to a younger Fareeha was true according to Overwatch Gamepedia's Pharah profile in the story segment.
tired pewter
But when ana was added it seemed to get better
peak escarp
I'm pretty sure that's from a Heroes of the Storm voice line
which don't represent canon
also, it's a reference to A Christmas Story
dawn halo
But I got to make a correction to the fun fact I posted, Fareeha asked for a toy rifle and Ana refused, then she made the threat.
tired pewter
Refer to six's message
I was just about to say isnt that a holiday line from Christmas story
peak escarp
dawn halo
Oh.
peak escarp
Heroes of the Storm is not canon to Overwatch lore
dawn halo
I forgot to check sources.
peak escarp
also the wiki shouldn't be taken as word of god - it's publicly edited and can be modified by anyone
dawn halo
I'm done talking lore for today, I messed up with that.
gray wigeon
it's fine it was corrected
limpid agate
HotS is not lore, but I wish it were. Just so it could formally introduce these.
Designed to be the vehicle Zarya got her gun from
zealous geyser
@limpid agate keep the discussion on topic please
limpid agate
Is there a reason why you are pinging me for this
zealous geyser
Read the channel topic, that seems like it would be more appropriate to post in #general-discussion but I’d check with a moderator before doing so
limpid agate
I'm pretty sure I wrote the channel topic.
peak escarp
are you serious?
Jewvia is a mod
and how was he off topic? He was pointing out how something featured in Heroes of the Storm should be made canon because it represents something we haven't seen before
zealous geyser
Doesn’t pertain to overwatch lore, it’s HoTS.
limpid agate
It's Volskaya Industries in HotS, and it is in a non-canon but adjacent locale.
peak escarp
Zarya canonically ripped her weapon off a tank
zealous geyser
Whatever you say 😃
valid shell
Seems like someone's salty they got clapped for shitposting before and has been waiting.
peak escarp
the only example of that tank is seen in a different game
limpid agate
Really? I don't remember this one at all. Lemme check
limpid agate
I meant the user, not the gun thing.
But there's your source for her ripping it off a vehicle
And there is the HotS representation of said vehicle, which is in a dubiously non-canon limbo
zealous geyser
I don’t shit post, just interested in overwatch lore is all, I’ll leave it at that. I enjoy the information the channel provides
limpid agate
The only part of the map that is explicitly non-canon is the Triglav Protector, which was designed to fight back against the non-Overwatch threats from the worlds of Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo.
Key word is explicitly
valid shell
HotS is fine for tertiary theories, as long as it's accompanied by disclaimers that HotS isn't canon.
Like Junkrat hinting he blew off his leg.
It's obviously not hard confirmed, but the HotS line does lend some credence.
peak escarp
it could still be true
valid shell
It's likely true.
limpid agate
Or Rio
valid shell
But it's not atm.
peak escarp
but the line in HotS shouldn't be taken as evidence
limpid agate
Which is an expanded interpretation of Estadia das Ras
peak escarp
is that the Lucioball stadium down there? 😂
valid shell
So his freedom fighting days are over, right?
peak escarp
we don't know how long ago his Rio revolution was, but it probably isn't too long ago
considering he's only now going on his world premier tour
valid shell
I can't imagine he still goes out and glacks Vishkar goons anymore.
peak escarp
no, that was probably a one time thing
the only thing we know about his current activities come from this blog post from 2015
and the occasional concert poster you can see in the background in a few places
dense estuary
He must be doing quite well, Touring can make an artist pretty good bank especially off the merch
And id imagine he has lots of merch out there.
worthy rose
Depends; from what I hear the music industry is pretty ass to artists
chilly peak
and probably Lucio gives a lot of his money to charities
regal coyote
in future distributors are probably not as big as it is today since artist can market their stuff directly
dapper shuttle
So I've been looking online for opera/theater places in Paris that might match the one we see on the poster in Paris
And I think that's actually not Paris but Havana.
and in the back, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Capitolio
The two buildings are right next to each other in Havana
So if I'm right about this, we've had clues about Havana for 2+ months
iron plume
hm, interesting
why would paris have a poster about an opera house in havana though
as in, in-universe
dapper shuttle
Of all the posters, this one has always been the one to stick out, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up replacing it for another once Havana is released
I could be wrong but I haven't found an opera or theater in Paris that looked that similar to the one in the poster, and Havana is just a perfect match
iron plume
neat
dapper shuttle
Well there's the Opera Garnier in Paris too https://imgur.com/i1JVh2A
but the façade isn't the same and it misses the lil towers on the sides
dapper shuttle
Opéra Garnier would make a ton of sense
supple bear
Can someone explain what canon and non canon is?
worthy rose
Canon means is genuinely real and fact in story
non canon means not real and false and fake
Like genji has a cyborg body
canon
Genji's penis being his sword
non canon
Or McCree and Hanzo having a gay relationship
not canon and also bad shipping
@supple bear
frosty shell
I wonder if Lúcioball in-universe is just a mod/gamemode of Striker 11
Sort of like when Thanos was added to Fortnite
supple bear
okay so what about abilities?
I've heard that some abilities are canon while others aren't
worthy rose
Game play does not always equal canon
Like Genji being able to pull out dragon blade
very canon
Soldier Visor
canon
Sym wall that spreads across an entire fucking map
probably not canon
frosty shell
though Soldier's visor probably doesn't work as an aimbot
supple bear
so how do you differentiate the canon abilities from the non-canon ones?
frosty shell
I think Deadeye should be added to the "canon abilities" list in some way, it didn't happen like it did in the game but it was represented in Reunion
An ability's canonicity is determined by whether it has appeared in a comic or short
Or have been mentioned
worthy rose
Canon abilities are what the heroes are capable of in universe
non canon ones are only for gameplay
Like for example
DVA bomb damn near kills DVA in the animation
but she's fine with just standing beside it
some is for gameplay and some is in universe talks
And the way u differentiate them
is by what has been revealed to us so far
Like tracer blinks are canon due to her animations and cinimatics
Same with her pulse bomb
Syms turrets are canon cause of the comic
frosty shell
Also, Mercy can't literally resurrect people from the dead
frosty shell
She can just save people who almost died
worthy rose
that's a big one ppl keep bringing up but are wrong about
supple bear
k, thx
frosty shell
I thought D. Va was far enough away from the Self Destruct that she wasn't affected much by the shockwave in Shooting Star
The more deadly part was hitting the water
though in canon, the Self Destruct would definitely kill her if it were close by
worthy rose
i mean that too but that was a high energy reactor
so like
imma say her being in proximity to it
while also falling
pretty damn oof
frosty shell
Yeah, I'm not sure how she could survive the fall that easily
But people have survived free falls from 10,000 meters so it's definitely possible
Shooting Star also is good for illustrating gameplay vs. lore because D. Va can actually fly with Tokki's rockets in the short
whereas in game she only gets a brief boost
worthy rose
infinite flying dva
i wish
that shit would be so fun
bad for gameplay
but fun
if u wanna have a good time, try hanzo jump with no cool down
shit is hysterical
frosty shell
air control is probably the most unrealistic thing about Overwatch's physics
though the game wouldn't really work without it
worthy rose
Is Rein a weeb?
Also, lore guys.
I'd say no
If any hero was a weeb, who would it be? My money is on Reaper
timid eagle
The easy answer would be Genji or Moira, but I wouldn’t mind Zen having the honours.
devout sable
@supple bear for the most part, we use canon material like comics and animations to determine whether or not certain abilities are canon
some abilities also function differently in lore than in gameplay
Reaper's smoke form is one such example
worthy rose
also in the first launch cinimatic with the museum
reaper had bombs
he does not have that in game
Thought those were grenades
don't grenades u have to pull the pin out?
iron plume
no
Junkrat's things are grenades
A grenade is a type of bomb
well not exactly
an explosive grenade is a type of bomb, since there's stuff like stun, gas and incendiary grenades
devout sable
iron plume
video games have grenade launchers too though
the common theme seems to be that grenades are launched (either by hand or with gunpowder) while bombs are placed or dropped
worthy rose
Isn't throwing just dropping with style?
iron plume
dropped as in from a plane
worthy rose
: )
But I get what you mean now
it's not like that; it's like
Falling
but like gripping 5 other ppl with you
iron plume
iron plume
not that kind of throwing
light osprey
Wats up
worn solar
Are revolvers like Mccree’s supposed to be held with two hands
worn solar
So McCree’s arm is probably enhanced enough to wield it like that
iron plume
pretty much
iron plume
mccree's left hand is the replaced one
iron plume
I doubt it's any worse than his human one
it's more of an issue of pride and familiarity
you'd have to relearn a lot shooting from the other side
not just the hand movements
peak escarp
he uses his robot arm for fan the hammer
iron plume
and pride because he doesn't think he needs to use it because he's already a great shot
tight hill
I hate the lore lol
iron plume
k
peak escarp
#general-discussion is over there then
limpid agate
He also uses the robo arm to jump into trains
He does use it, just not for shooting
iron plume
yeah, I mean for shooting
tight hill
The trouble is they change it too much
I think they should wait a bit
until they finish all the characters
iron plume
What are they changing exactly
peak escarp
examples?
tight hill
A lot of the older stuff
iron plume
like..?
tight hill
DVA's lore
peak escarp
that was changed during the Beta
iron plume
That's one change to a pre-beta statement
tight hill
and then they changed it
iron plume
She's still a gamer
peak escarp
she is still a gamer
tight hill
Unlike me
peak escarp
they just changed what her main game is
tight hill
Did they?
peak escarp
during the beta she was said to be a Starcraft pro, but they changed it to an unspecified game that is closer to mech-based combat
tight hill
Originally Reaper was a man
and then they changed it and said that
Moira created him
iron plume
as opposed to?
peak escarp
Reaper was always a man
Moira did experiments on him that gave him wraith powers
but he's still human
tight hill
Oh, really
I thought the suit did that to him
Orignally I thought Mercy made him the suit
peak escarp
seems like it isn't the lore you hate, just the misinformation spread by the community
tight hill
so he could teleport and stuff
peak escarp
Mercy was not involved in making him the way he is
tight hill
The trouble is
worthy rose
U are angry about things u don’t even understand correctly and apparently hate hamsters
peak escarp
why is adding lore bad?
tight hill
A hamster? I mean come of it
Hamster's are not clever animals
I can understand Winsty
peak escarp
would you rather have them not add lore?
tight hill
Yes
peak escarp
that would make it a very boring game
tight hill
I don't read the lore much though
and most shooters don't have lore
or story
or whatever it's called
peak escarp
every shooter has lore, even ones like CoD or Fortnite
there's a story behind why you're shooting
tight hill
Is there?
peak escarp
a lot of them are set in WWII, so yes
worthy rose
The fun thing about lore is that it's optional
iron plume
Definitely CoD, not sure about fortnite
not getting into it in this channel though
tight hill
That's true Icy
zealous geyser
Is it possible Ana and soldier had intercourse... sometimes I believe that pharah is his child
peak escarp
Pharah's father is named Sam
he's a public servant from Canada
of First Nations ancestry
zealous geyser
@peak escarp could be a cover up, I just have a strong hunch they had relations
Based on voice lines
peak escarp
we don't know, but not likely
peak escarp
because they are friends
they were part of the original Overwatch strike team
Ana, Jack, Gabe, Torbjorn and Reinhardt
zealous geyser
And why doesn’t she have more of a dislike for Moira given what she turned her friends into
At least it’s not present in the voice interactions
dawn halo
About Hero of my Storm, since D.Va is a lead role, could it be possible for her squadmates to have minor or cameo roles in the movie when it comes out?
For me anyways, absolutely, but we don't know what happened for her to be in the movie as a member of the cast.
worthy rose
She only did that to Reaper which he consented albeit probably didn't know the effects; And there are no voice lines between the two but I'm sure she didn't like Moira much given how often she backs up Jack
dawn halo
Was Baset authored by Chu himself?
peak escarp
yes
dawn halo
Is there any identified subplots in Overwatch, or is the story itself all subplots?
dawn halo
Second Omnic Crisis, subplot.
What McCree's "business", subplot.
Soldier and Ana's business post Baset, subplot.
Mei's Adventures, subplot
peak escarp
yep, lots of subplots
dawn halo
As the story unfolds more, Chu is going to open even more subplots, possibly even a subplot relating to space.
frosty shell
Junkers, also subplot
dawn halo
I can identify more subplots, but I chose only four.
peak escarp
some of the subplots might merge with the main plot
or provide more insight to what's going on behind the scenes
dawn halo
We may have subplots that add another perspective to the present Overwatch world. Like introduce a character who isn't involved in heroism or villainy and use said character to add the civilian's perspective to the situation.
Subplots can go anywhere to enhance the main plot and/or build the world beyond the perspective of the heroes and villains.
With the global scale of the story, third person perspective subplots are plausible.
And I think the third person prespective is being practiced to an extent with the unaffiliated (those with no connections to OW or Talon) characters.
frail ocean
You gotta love how overwatch presents every 3rd world dumpster as a nice place, like the future magically makes everything better
dawn halo
Kinda unrealistic, as some third world countries are trying to get out of the povertic condition they are in right now in our world.
dawn halo
Some third world countries will get in a better condition, some will not.
History bends countries fates before Overwatch era history begins clicking.
iron plume
regarding omnic relations it makes sense though
less advanced nations at the time of OC likely wouldn't have omniums and thus wouldn't get hit as hard
so they would be in prime position to bounce back and be less prejudiced towards them
dawn halo
To give a 100% hypothetical example, Zimbabwe becomes an economic power and competes with South Africa in a Cold War like situation. While Somalia is still the hole of violence it is today.
History can shift fates of countries, even within the OW era.
iron plume
there's not really any country that's presented as a complete shitter
frail ocean
If overwatch expects me to believe that India is (at the very least) not get shittier for the next 60 years
iron plume
US and Australia have lawless places somewhere in the back
frail ocean
Then oh boy
dawn halo
Optimistic, but not realistic optimism.
iron plume
they have hard light superstructures there
it is realistic
it might be idealistic in some regard, but it's not "everything is fine forever because it's optimistic"
frail ocean
India will never be a world superpower
iron plume
what's your thing with india
frail ocean
Nothing its just a prime example of a 1st world turned 3rd
dawn halo
I won't deny the OW world is through and through realistic at it's core, as Blizzard probably has somewhat realistic answers for unrealistic things.
frail ocean
realistic
overwatch
lol no
iron plume
are you actually going to read the context or just ebin meme all over the place
frail ocean
Ok ill just say it
Overwatch lore is poorly written
iron plume
because india isn't a shithole?
frail ocean
Don't b8 me with simple-minded answers
iron plume
yeah that's your job
dawn halo
@frail ocean If your going to shit on the lore, get out.
iron plume
If you're going to shit on the lore, have an actual criticism
dawn halo
Either option works.
iron plume
as opposed to durr overwatch bad
worthy rose
Or just like give a reason and expose your own bias as to why you think India is a shit hole
teal meadow
how old do you think baptiste was when he joined talon?
dawn halo
Right now, Bap's in his mid thirties, so he was probably in his late twenties to early thirties when he deserted.
worthy rose
I more so want to see the Interactions between him and Sombra cause this is the one person she actually can call a friend that isn't a teddy bear
frail ocean
Ok, it has too many cookie-cutter, formulaic, basically-developed characters. That far overshadow the very few that are actually good. The idea of an A.I. uprising is a concept so done to death in modern media that it fails to be the least bit convincing, Not one single aspect of the overwatch world has ever stood out besides the unrealistically optimistic outlook that everything will get better, when in fact the ever downward spiraling, self-centered nature of humanity will ensure that even World War 3 will not be the last world war.
tldr Teleporting lesbians will not save you from total global destruction
iron plume
okay so the bullshit character thing aside
are you implying that everything set in future where humanity isn't in a constant war is unrealistic?
because that's what it sounds like to me
frail ocean
Yes
iron plume
that's fucking dumb
dawn halo
Fox, the story itself doesn't 100% matter, how it's being told is what makes a story interesting.
frail ocean
Conflict is an integral part of human nature
iron plume
and even putting aside the fact that it's fucking dumb
you realize that the world of overwatch present is on the edge of a war, right?
like, talon believes it's close to another global conflict and is actively working to push it there
dawn halo
I agree it's using a common pop culture trope, but Chu is trying to direct how the story tells in a way different from others.
iron plume
even with the optimistic outlook there's no "last war"
not even omnic crisis was that
frosty shell
There have been less deaths from conflict now than there were in previous centuries
frail ocean
Even putting aside the fact that when i present actual criticism that you refuse to acknowledge because you dont like me
frosty shell
And in the Overwatch universe war still seems to be pretty common
iron plume
okay so you can't refute the actual point
it's not fucking dumb because I don't like you
frail ocean
I'm not the one refuting points
iron plume
it's fucking dumb because we've already seen violent conflicts decline massively with globalization
there will probably never be an end to all of them
limpid agate
What's this.
iron plume
but claiming there will always be another world war is ridiculous
frail ocean
I'm pointing out that even when you get what you want you arent satisfied
worthy rose
some dude calling india a shit hole and not liking Overwatch story cause it isn't constantly in a world war
dawn halo
Fox is shitting on the lore and his claim for why is ridiculous.
frail ocean
quite self-centered, dont you think?
peak escarp
except there is still constant conflict in the OW universe
frosty shell
Yeah, and Overwatch does have constant conflict
One problem gets solved, another one pops up
peak escarp
Russia is facing a second omnic crisis, Mercy is working as a field medic in wartorn areas
iron plume
I didn't get what I want, I got a ridiculous argument that's not even accurate to the overwatch story
you're saying overwatch is unrealistic because there's no conflict which is demonstrably untrue
frosty shell
Admittedly, racial/cultural/religious tension (besides Omnics) isn't really mentioned much in the lore
And it probably won't have all gone away in 60 years
iron plume
that's even putting aside the "downward spiral" claim which is also demonstrably untrue
but if you put both of those aside, then yeah, I guess I don't have any arguments
frail ocean
I tried to use india as an example of a country falling completely downward across the board, they didn't want to accept that so I went across the board and explained why every aspect of the overwatch universe is unrealistic (in my opinion). To which @iron plume said that it was "fucking stupid" @limpid agate
limpid agate
That is a bad example
iron plume
well that's because it was
iron plume
Your argument consists of two points
limpid agate
India literally has a place called "Utopaea"
frail ocean
Ngl party, completely stopped listening
limpid agate
While Egypt is in ruins
worthy rose
You said that it was unrealistic that there wasn't a world war going on.
limpid agate
Both economically and criminally
iron plume
- Humanity is doomed to be in a perpetual state of war
- Overwatch universe has no conflict
if both of those are true, then yes, overwatch is unrealistic
frosty shell
Its economy IRL is slowly becoming better
worthy rose
No conflict?
iron plume
however, neither of them are if you actually consider the poiints
iron plume
instead of just going "uh people who disagree don't like me so I'll stop listening"
worthy rose
Russia is dealing with the second omnic crisis
limpid agate
I dont care about IRL. I am talking about in the context of Overwatch, Egypt is in financial ruin and is controlled by crime syndicates
frosty shell
yes
frail ocean
grabs popcorn
limpid agate
Russia and South Korea, likewise, are currently at war with rogue omnics.
There are flaws with Overwatch. Your example is not one of them.
iron plume
yep
frosty shell
Yes, the claim that there is no conflict in OW is ridiculous
worthy rose
Talon's #1 dude is literally trying to make another world war
frosty shell
In some places in the world, I would probably rather live today than in OW
frail ocean
hold on guys I forgot butter brb
iron plume
Jewv, his India point was that OW India has a Utopaea while real india is only getting worse
worthy rose
And there was one of those 30 years.
worthy rose
Things can turn around in 30 years.
limpid agate
Everyone drop it and move on
@frail ocean Shitposting will result in a loss of access. If you are gonna keep making random popcorn comments you will be disposed of.
dawn halo
Fox, can you please step down, you have clearly lost.
worthy rose
*60
limpid agate
The rest of you
iron plume
but like even without turning around
iron plume
India is getting better
I don't know where the fuck he's getting it
dawn halo
Can we move on please and return to what we actually do in here?
iron plume
suggest a topic
peak escarp
@dawn halo you said earlier Baptiste was probably in his late 20s when he defected
iron plume
i'll happily change to that
dawn halo
He can be within his thirties too,
iron plume
I was pinning it more as 2-3
worthy rose
Hmm...
iron plume
but not 5+
peak escarp
based on the fact that Cuerva only went looking for him and subsequently went missing rather recently (assuming that letter is from "present day")
frail ocean
Oh man lose access to a channel this nice, sounds terrible
frosty shell
we're nice most of the time
You just have to explain why your argument should be taken seriously
iron plume
hope we don't
dawn halo
We don't have a year dating, so we can't determine if it was recently.
worthy rose
But it was an old Talon file? Doesn't Sombra usually hack things that were of high interest a long period ago? Like with Retribution or so and if Sombra was with Talon And Baptiste was with Talon wouldn't that mean like It would be roughly in their 20's considering they're in their 30's now?
Cause of the Q&A
I think they would send more people against him soon if he defected earlier
teal meadow
Q e A?
peak escarp
there's nothing that indicates it's a past event
teal meadow
there's been a QeA about baptiste?
dawn halo
Documents take a long time to change substantially. And like an event 3-4 years ago, it'll still look like a document report in the present day.
worthy rose
Easily one of the fastest and effective ways to get out lore
and even better cause it's told from an unreliable narrator
meaning it's even more up for interpretation
idk I like unreliable narrators, they make me giddy
dawn halo
And because there is no year, making it harder to pinpoint when Bap betrayed Talon.
worthy rose
@peak escarp while there isn't a date, there isn't anything stating that I could tell happened within the last year
dawn halo
Verdict: Between five years and present year.
It's up to your own interpretation when it happened.
peak escarp
my main reason for thinking this is that when we see him in the origin short with his former squad-mates tied up, he has his current look
worthy rose
couldn't he just be raiding a talon warehouse that had all the supplies?
jade temple
worthy rose
why?
He left Talon and now is helping out people be it a bandage or a bullet
and the best way i can think of him to help ppl is take from Talon who he knows from first hand experience is taking from the people
slow goblet
If he was I doubt he would sassily sit on the box of medical supplies posing for an invisible camera.
He’d prolly still be moving about, trying to get the supplies out.
peak escarp
my assumption is that he's "posing" because he's waiting for Cuerva to show up
slow goblet
Yeah, that’s what I reckon too. While I do think he’d definitely raid warehouses for supplies I don’t think that’s necessarily the only thing he’s doing in this image, if he’s doing that at all
peak escarp
I imagine them as a cross between an IV bag and an Epipen
long ermine
adrenaline also possible
supple bear
what material is reins shield made of?
dawn halo
We don't know, but it's possible it's a steel composite, or something comparable to modern tank armor.
Because Rein has to be strong and has TANKed things that would seriously harm or kill a normal man.
He survived gunfire, getting slashed in the eye, and probably took shrapnel from explosions.
worthy rose
The shield is hard light.
tired pewter
& he literally laid on top of 4 guys and protected them from a carpet bombing
dawn halo
We are talking about Rein with just his armor.
worthy rose
"what material is reins shield made of?"
dawn halo
The armor, I assume it's a composite steel like tank armor.
worthy rose
Edited though, so you could be answering the previous thing
dawn halo
I was actually talking about his armor.
tired pewter
He did that with just his armor 😦
dawn halo
Rewatch Honor and Glory.
And pay attention to what was being thrown at him without his shield activated.
worthy rose
Yes, the armor is probably made of some steel composite
Actually, maybe titanium alloy considering that there weren't a ton of Crusaders.
DapperNoodlesToday at 5:45 PM
what material is reins shield made of?
But this ^ was the question
dawn halo
He tanked gunshots, high speed collisions, and possibly direct bomb drops or shrapnel.
valid shell
Molotov cocktails too.
worthy rose
Wait, I got it.
What if health packs are just... first aid kits?
Made from Mercy's tech
valid shell
We don't know how prevalent Biotic technology is.
Same with Hard-Light.
And teleportation.
And Genetic Enhancement.
worthy rose
I think if anyone can make a first aid kit with Mercy's technology, I think it would be the combat medic known as Mercy
Plus the game isn't canon anyway
worthy rose
Oooh right
tired pewter
Doesnt baptiste literally shoot health packs in the form of grenades
worthy rose
Not really health packs, more Moira juice + explosives
supple bear
Did he get his tech from Moira?
worthy rose
But it doesn't damage😞😞😞
tired pewter
I doubt it, pretty clear its all tech stolen or altered from talon gear
peak escarp
the grenades he shoots appear to be filled with the same sort of biotic "juice" that Moira, Mercy, Ana and Soldier use
hasty surge
So in actually lore how does it work?