yes?
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
broken sand
Hello
peak escarp
did you have a lore question?
worthy rose
Dont @ me kid
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
if you want to socialize go to #general-discussion
supple bear
I dont want to socialize, he's just trying to annoy me
hearty leaf
Any ideas on what exactly this new archives mission is going to be?
peak escarp
a Talon mission is the biggest theory, based on all the Talon skins we got last year
mystic summit
is widow supposed to be "emotionless"
or at least whatever brainwashing technique they used suppose to supress her emotions
peak escarp
she's described as emotionless, but she does feel some emotion
mostly negative emotions
the only positive emotion she feels is the pleasure she gets from killing
topaz meteor
worthy rose
** a n y o n e w a n t s t o j o i n m y s e r v e r ?**
iron plume
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
please stop
worthy rose
ok
peak escarp
if you don't have a question/discussion topic about the OW lore, go back to #general-discussion
iron plume
please stop
dark moat
okay, i can stop
dawn halo
Go to #general-discussion to do stuff like that.
dark moat
me?
dawn halo
Yes.
iron plume
they're friends
dawn halo
Did Emily ever get into an argument with Lena?
dawn halo
I wonder what words they throw around when they do...
peak escarp
that's a weird question
why would their arguments be any different from anyone else's?
ornate root
tropic crater
can someone give me lore about winston and genji
dawn halo
One important thing about Winston in lore, he defeated Doomfist while in Primal Rage.
tropic crater
Oof
lavish schooner
thats actually very important
he also defeated reaper using Primal Rage on museum
winged geyser
Baptistte, Reinhardt, Brigitte and Mercy are the most inspiracional heroes ever made on this game
change my mind
iron plume
wouldn't try to, inspiration is a very personal thing
winged geyser
peak escarp
yeah, I'd agree with that
worn solar
I find Torbjorn inspiring, he’s a hard-working man who overcomes his prejudice
iron plume
I think overwatch is a pretty inspiring guy, eh kills robots and doesnt afraid of anything
peak escarp
I don't find any of the heroes particularly inspiring, but I can see how others might
worthy rose
Brigitte is so inspiring, it's literally part of her kit
errant cape
bastion inspires me to be annoying and hated by everyone
last inlet
Soldier inspires me to look ridiculously good at 50-something
peak escarp
better start looking into genetic therapy then
sage thunder
mabye
iron plume
sorry for not taking bait
dawn halo
Look at Reinhardt, he has the glorious white mane beard at the young age of 61!
winged geyser
but I agree with @worn solar
what do you all think about the Baptistte lore?
his history reminds me of the movie "Freedom Writers"
because his lore tell us that we all have choices and we can make the difference with them
lean prawn
do the in game animations reflect the lore or is that lumped in with gameplay when it comes to lore significance?
not the big ability animations like ressurect or ice block, but the small ones like moira struggling to control coalescence
dawn halo
I don't know, because it hasn't been specified by Chu, the lead writer for Overwatch.
tawny patio
I like Bap’s lore because I feel like it is the first humane tie in to talon that we have so far
arctic kelp
medic > mercy
tawny patio
Moira? Doomfist? Widow? Reaper? Not exactly empathetic or relatable of characters
Sombra? Maybe, but not really
Bap is just a dude that had no choices, and he has a conscience about what he did, and he defected
I can at least feel something for him ya know?
hasty surge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516662527120375820/556274222662418433/IMG_20190313_225729.png
Anyone seen this?
Real or fake?
dawn halo
It's Korean in origin, and Koreans are smart.
It's gonna be hard to deduce if it's real or fake.
hasty surge
The bottom 2 looks
Meh
Was the previous icon also with sombra and doom?
It's easy to move them around
sonic sable
i saw so many ow update channels get totally wet over this when it is so obviously faked
the doomfist, sombra and baptiste stencils are literally the exact ones from the player icons, blizz would not shamelessly just copypaste and reuse assets like that
sonic sable
and the lines are super blurry lmaooo
peak escarp
and if it isn't unlocked yet, it wouldn't be dark blue
I made a better fake than that in 10 minutes
sonic sable
honestly
blissful cairn
i think they seem to be going off the idea that since the baptiste and "moira" icons aren't in the games files, they couldn't have been faked
or they might be idk
the sombra and doomfist ones are ez photoshops of already in game player icons, but the other 2 are unknown
and there's been a lot of speculation and expectation of a talon mission this year anyways
cuz the 3 main "groups" of OW are overwatch itself, blackwatch, and talon
maybe vishkar but the only 2 heroes that could represent it are lucio and sym
talon is clearly in line to be the 3rd mission
tawny patio
Technically Mekka is also an independent group from all of those as well
But much like Vishkar they seem largely irrelevant
Having only D.Va playable
And mekka squad plus I’m not going to try to spell his name in universe
peak escarp
the leak being fake doesn't mean it can't still be a Talon mission
worthy rose
I would love a mission with all MEKA heroes with unlimited boost flying over the water and fighting a giant squid thingy omnic
Unlikely though
But I can dream
valid shell
You mean impossible.
worthy rose
Yeah, impossible.
The level of assets required for what would be a one-event game mode would be ridiculous
worthy rose
@valid shell but would it still be cool? We don't have much positive interaction, so at least work with me here? What kinda event would you like to see?
Talon mission seems popular, but is there anything else that would blow everyone out of the water (no pun intended)
valid shell
Don't expect much from free content.
near falcon
who is good in overwatch and want to play with me
timid blade
worthy rose
#lfg-pc-na-ranked @near falcon
regal coyote
i am still waiting for another omnic hero so we can get a null secor mission
playing as tthe bad guys
running into a human room and hunting some human leader, thereby starting a war.
we know bastion and orisa can be in null sector (different build/model but yes) we need another 1-2 omnic
a soldier can have echo skin of some (or any) omnic solder type, need a 4th. zen too special for that
final oak
tender mica
hanji and gengu ar bist 👍
fierce cedar
do u know da wea
tardy sedge
k so dafuqs up here
dawn halo
Is this lore related?
If it's not, OUT! Take the conversation about best hero into #overwatch or #general-discussion.
valid shell
@worthy rose Yes.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
Correct.
I'd argue it matters quite a bit.
It's the most important thing in the entire OW universe.
??
Homie, Retribution was this time last year.
And another Archives mission is coming up.
Please leave if you're just here to shitpost - this isn't the channel to brag about how much you don't care about lore.
valid shell
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short scaffold
!warn @Crippo2#0058 Stop with the trolling please. If you continue you will be muted
twilit nacelleBOT
valid shell
@worthy rose Stop.
worthy rose
JJJ#P WHY
peak escarp
this is a place for serious discussion
worthy rose
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peak escarp
calm down and go back to #general-discussion
worthy rose
And here I thought I was annoying.
After watching all the cinematics, I'm really digging how Blizzard tiptoes around the geopolitical climate and the parallels with our current society. I'm not too knowledgeable on those matters, but I can pick up on the very little I know. It's not like they're being subtle about it, though, but I digress.
Especially the D.Va one. That one is easily my favorite.
dawn halo
Most of the characters have killed people, even the more lighthearted ones have killed before in lore.
limpid agate
On Screen Killers:
Doomfist, Genji, McCree, Reaper, Soldier, Sombra, Junkrat, Widowmaker, Roadhog, Ana, Moira
Off Screen but said to have killed:
Pharah, Hanzo, Symmetra, Baptiste
Overwatch Agents - May have killed on missions, liklihood varies:
Tracer, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Winston, Mercy
Junkertown Champion, probably killed other gladiators:
Hammond
Probably killed people, but hasn't explicitly been shown to:
Ashe
Heroes at war with Omnics, not humans:
D.Va, Zarya
Heroes not listed yet that have very little chance to be killers:
Bastion, Mei, Orisa, Brigitte, Lucio, Zenyatta
tepid abyss
Surely bastion has killed at some point even if not shown?
limpid agate
Bastion is suggested to have never participated in battle
In the Last Bastion, it appears to wake up in the drop pod
tawny patio
Do we count the omnic crisis as killing? Cuz that’d def add to the has killeds
limpid agate
The only Omnic Crisis participants that haven't killed on screen were Torb and Rein.
If you want to include Omnics as kills, I made those in separate categories: D.Va and Zarya
Tracer has also scrapped a lot of Omnics in Uprising
worthy rose
Well if you’re going by uprising, rein and torb also got a lot of robo kills
iron plume
which is why they're in the same category
limpid agate
The only heroes who have probably never ended a life, Omnic or Human, are Bastion, Mei, Orisa, Brigitte, Lucio, Zenyatta
Winston/Mercy might also join that group. Hard to tell. Winston was an agent for Overwatch, and Mercy was on Uprising (albeit as a healer)
iron plume
I don't think Mercy has killed in Uprising, considering both her personal views and her role
limpid agate
But do those views extend to Omnics?
Likewise, in the trailer she is shown flying and shooting her pistol
Should that be taken into consideration?
On one hand,
"First do no harm"
On the other...
"I'm a doctor, not an engineer"
iron plume
mercy is largely characterized by the Do No Harm part though
idk it's not proof either way but not killing any would fit with her better
actually do we even know if the pistol is real?
the trailer isn't really canon if you're talking about the one I'm thinking of
have we seen it anywhere that's definitely true
limpid agate
https://i.imgur.com/Nwi0CNa.jpg
I remember speculation that her staff turned into the pistol
peak escarp
we haven't seen enough of Mercy in the lore to know whether she actually carries a pistol or not
sonic sable
irl combat medics do
they can be heavily targeted at times and they may not always have a guard to protect them
dawn halo
And the Caduceus Staff naming is wrong, as it has no historical significance to be a true symbol of medicine.
peak escarp
no, but due to the mixup with American Medical associations, Americans confuse it with the rod of asclepius
dawn halo
And perhaps Blizzard was caught up in this trap.
dawn halo
👍
muted fog
i recently have joined the game, and watched the cinematics, and the one thing i wanted to know a little more about the relationship between Ashe and Mccree. I know they have dated before because the voice lines and such, but i wonder, why did they split? the deadlock gang maybe, but i don't know
i was hoping for some enlightenment in here
peak escarp
Twitter
muted fog
thanks buddy
tawny patio
I feel like it says a lot that this needs clarification
peak escarp
they do have chemistry together
muted fog
we know that
peak escarp
I think Ashe might have had an unrequited crush on McCree
muted fog
cinematics and such are obvious about that
tawny patio
F is for friends
And shippers
muted fog
ok
peak escarp
but McCree says Ashe isn't his type
muted fog
where
peak escarp
worthy rose
Plot Twist: McMeme is the Brokeback type of cowboy
muted fog
such as sombra
peak escarp
McCree flirts with women, so I doubt it
worthy rose
Sombra is her own persom, right?
muted fog
she's in talon
worthy rose
Thought Brokeback cowboys were boys, but I don't think Cree flirts with dudes so nvm
muted fog
but she also wants her own benefit
worthy rose
@muted fog in Talon but has her own agenda
Sabotaging a mission is a bit more subterfuge than merely ambitious
peak escarp
Widow is conditioned/brainwashed, so it's unlikely that she's a double agent
worthy rose
Isnt the conditioning weakening? There's been hints
But I could be grasping at straws there
peak escarp
we don't know the specifics of her conditioning
muted fog
getting important "friends" like the russian woman, not sure how to spell her name right now
worthy rose
Also she kinda assassinates people so I doubt it
There have been hints that her current condition isn't 100% no feelings
Like the Christmas comix
I don't think it would deteriorate with Moira (who presumably did it) on hand
A remorseless killer probably wouldnt visit her husband's grave
muted fog
the point of widow is to create a "perfect" assasin, no feelings and no remorse, right?
peak escarp
she obviously remembers her husband, and knows that she should feel something
but she doesn't
worthy rose
I think they're suppressed and dull, but not gone
muted fog
that's why i used quotes
muted fog
she didn't fully take the emotions away
worthy rose
Sorry phone typo
peak escarp
she seems to be frustrated that she doesn't feel positive emotions
in her interaction with Moira: "I don't feel anything, isn't that the point?"
worthy rose
She also needs some motivation to work for Talon. If she felt nothing, why would she obey?
peak escarp
I think she might be surrounding herself with things to try to provoke her emotions
muted fog
basically moira asks how she's feeling and she says that in response
worthy rose
Doesn't she feel some emotions when killing someone? Thrill of the kill?
muted fog
that's true
peak escarp
visiting her husband's grave, moving into her family's manor
peak escarp
killing is the only thing that gives her pleasure
muted fog
in her cinematic on king's row, she says that "i felt alive"
peak escarp
she has free will - they aren't controlling her actions
they just give her orders and she obeys
worthy rose
And the kill is her motivation, to feel alive
Otherwise why would she obey orders,
?
muted fog
so she gets feelings when she kills
that is true
but is there anything else
her past
peak escarp
she has a lot of storytelling potential
worthy rose
I wonder what would happen if she overcame the brainwashing
muted fog
brb
anyway
i must say that Blizzard has done an excellent job in doing lore for the game. Props to them on that
muted fog
i see you are fully vested into picking apart every detail possible, every time i look in this channel your name is always there
anyhow, back to talon
peak escarp
it's an obsession of mine
muted fog
it's fine, i'm just sayin, that's all
worthy rose
It's not fine
muted fog
so, sombra
worthy rose
It's beautiful
muted fog
we know that she has deleted so much information about herself
but continues to find dirt on everybody else
so
worthy rose
Maid Sombra confirmed?
muted fog
what is her real name? I know some people know it, and i want to know because i like her concept so much
peak escarp
muted fog
yeah, i thought the first name was olivia, i didn't know the last
muted fog
she has to be
worthy rose
no
Also, real question this time
Could an omnic be grafted onto a person and have their minds connected
Probably not
Like a hybrid Genji
wicked pilot
that would be amazing
peak escarp
I don't think so
muted fog
there is no way for her to do the things she does without being at least part computer
worthy rose
If Genji and Sombra exist, I think it's possible
peak escarp
the sci-fi in Overwatch is very grounded
worthy rose
Sombra has a computer inside her, doesn't she?
peak escarp
Sombra has a computer in her spine
worthy rose
Yeah
muted fog
makes sense
muted fog
she can pull up a screen in front of her on command, so...
worthy rose
Omnics can be small, right?
wicked pilot
How would u connect the brain.
peak escarp
omnics are sentient
worthy rose
Maybe their minds dont have to be connected, but two people in one body
wicked pilot
So im guessing you're gonna have to plant a wireless chip near your brain?
worthy rose
Is Sombras computer tied to her neurological system at all?
muted fog
gotta plug in my laptop, give me a moment
worthy rose
Or is it purely autonomous
worthy rose
By brain or just normal input
peak escarp
by brain
worthy rose
Is it connected to her brain at all?
Oh
So why not an omnic if connecting the human brain to machine isn't impossible
Like an omnic genji
peak escarp
an omnic is the sentient part of the machine
muted fog
there we go, i'm back
peak escarp
I think it's impossible
muted fog
that would be possible most likely in the Overwatch universe, technology advanced way beyond what is here now
wicked pilot
if you're gonna mind link is it gonna merge their thinking and movements or are they gonna coordinate and move.
peak escarp
why would you want an omnic and a human in one body?
muted fog
that would be difficult
maybe have it be like Two Face from Batman, half human, half omnic
that would look nice
peak escarp
Two Face is still just one person
wicked pilot
if its gonna be like that then two personalities?
muted fog
sure, but they look different on either side
one black, one white
maybe the personallities change based on the situation
if there was 2
1 would be easier
sombra looks human on the outside, but what about the inside? is it mostly electronics, or is it mostly normal?
muted fog
yeah
worthy rose
I can see it working Banjo and Kazooey style
peak escarp
worthy rose
The human is a shooter while the omnic is the nerd
worthy rose
I can see it as a sick Talon experiment for a super soldier
muted fog
nah
worthy rose
No good guy would do that
muted fog
why a super soldier, when you have reaper who already went through the government program for making soldiers?
worthy rose
I doubt anyone but Talon or a rogue scientist would do something so sickening
@muted fog because Reaper is just one dude?
muted fog
i believe he was soldier:26 or 27
worthy rose
Why stop at one superhuman soldier?
peak escarp
Reyes was Soldier: 24
worthy rose
They busted out Doomfist
muted fog
so im a little off, but still, he was in the program
worthy rose
Clones would take too long
And with Reaper's conditions, I don't think you could get a clone to survive birth
peak escarp
if cloning is even possible
muted fog
she already does so much with genes, i'm sure that it would not be hard in their era
worthy rose
I'm sure it is
It's possible today but you run into issues
Human cloning? Unsure tho
muted fog
well, overwatch is so far ahead of us
worthy rose
Animals for sure. Humans not yet. Possible in the future
muted fog
they probably figured it out
worthy rose
Plus I doubt Reaper or Sombra would allow it
worthy rose
One for personal reasons, one for 0ragmatic reasons
muted fog
why not them?
worthy rose
Brainwashing takes time
muted fog
sure
worthy rose
Good luck detaining Reaper and Sombra
muted fog
but time dosn't matter here
worthy rose
It does, because you would need to detain them
worthy rose
Reaper is probably impossible to hold down, and Sombra would go AWOL before you'd catch her
worthy rose
Genji is close enough to a hybrid that he doesn't fit in with either folk
But ya
Imagine an omnic hybrid being taught by Genji to make peace with both sides
That'd be a nice story
muted fog
he's in the middle of the scale, you say, and i do like that idea
peak escarp
that's Genji's story
muted fog
a chain of wisdom, you say
worthy rose
Why I don't see this as a playable hero
Unless we go the nightmare fuel route and he's basically Dr. Jekyll Frankenstein
muted fog
what would his kit be? those two together wouldn't make sense to me
i don't see anything
worthy rose
Depends. Many variables and possibilities
muted fog
oh for sure
worthy rose
Maybe a stance hero? Or a half and half blended kit.
muted fog
how would you combine high moblility with none at all?
worthy rose
I wouldn't
muted fog
nah
valid shell
Hero gameplay ideas are not lore.
worthy rose
Alright we'll end here
muted fog
yup, agreed
worthy rose
Anyway, it would be cool to see someone in a side story like that
muted fog
i agree
worthy rose
I think we covered most bases so we can move on
muted fog
yup
worthy rose
@valid shell sorry dude
muted fog
i'm thinkin about bastion
worthy rose
What about him?
somber pilot
yeah, the system looks pretty unilateral in function
muted fog
the sombra voice interaction says "you would make a great barista, Bastion," gets me laughing every time
worthy rose
I could be wrong
somber pilot
likely not. bastion was made to be a walking minigun
muted fog
but it also makes me wonder what else he could do
somber pilot
violent hedge trimming
worthy rose
I wish there were more omnic heroes considering their impact on the plot
I think Torbjorn designed them to be peacekeepers
peak escarp
Sombra's line is a reference to the Sombra ARG
peak escarp
when she hacked the Lumerico cappuccino machine
somber pilot
"peacekeeping"
sounds an awful lot like norway-deterring but that's a scandinavian digression
muted fog
ok
worthy rose
You wouldn't break the law if machine guns were watching you
worthy rose
A normal civilian
Not a hero
Think bank security guards or something
Would you try anything looking down a pair of minigun barrels?
somber pilot
i mean all you gotta do in a situation like that is wait for an operating system update; OS's are notorious for glitching on first use
worthy rose
Yeah, it's called the omnic crisis
muted fog
ok, back to lore
worthy rose
somber pilot
i'd presume so, icy. maybe the entire crisis was just a glitch in an OS that needed patching
muted fog
don't want binge to yell at us again, or whoever it was
worthy rose
Sentience was a mistake 
muted fog
oof
worthy rose
Binge was right, tho. We got derailed
muted fog
yeah
cobalt marlin
@valid shell go get em tiger
cobalt marlin
/s
muted fog
you know, one character that dosn't get much love in lore is Lucio
worthy rose
Someone uploaded something to kickstart it
muted fog
i barely see anything with him in it
muted fog
ok
i've been tryin to start talking about Lucio
and how little love he gets in a lore sense
i know that there isn't much to go off of
but something to show us how he got to OW would be nice
right?
all i know is that he's a musician
and that's about it
peak escarp
he also led a rebellion against Vishkar in Rio
muted fog
ok
worthy rose
Not a lot of Lucio love, for sure
worthy rose
Lucio Liberation Front
muted fog
dang
that's rough
curfews, laws, everything that sounds like a dicator that went a bit too far
radiant sphinx
muted fog
but it's great that he got his people out
alright man
calm down
anyway, i'm goin to bed, good night everybody
see ya tommorow, hopefully
regal coyote
well, zen got less lore than lucio\
Lucios daddy at least got mentioned and voiceline sorta
also a whole CD album
also physical lucio things you can shove down your throat like you wanna
just like the way efi likes and enjoy
(supposed to be some lootbox bonus also)
jagged rampart
*grandfather, not father
regal coyote
no it his father actually
quiet rose
ye its his papi
tranquil sun
with Talon blackmailing her who knows what Volskaya would be forced to do
bright kraken
huehuehue
grim crystal
huehuehue
dawn karma
ну здарсьте)
regal coyote
nah it is not talon, just sombra
also even for talon ... the russian vs omnic war will continue
dawn karma
ahah
tawny compass
cunning mantle
How do you explain Hanzo brother then?
iron plume
!!shitposting @tawny compass
twilit nacelleBOT
@tawny compass Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
please don't engage with that
cunning mantle
k
pliant night
silk bronze
a
woven willow
!!shitposting @cunning mantle
cunning mantle
Seriously
woven willow
ok sry
tawny patio
Something something
It’s been confirmed they weren’t together
ashen cosmos
peak escarp
basically
dawn halo
What kinds of arms could the Deadlocks smuggle?
Because the US got their act together regarding passenger rail transportation and built a new railway with the hypertrains, alongside freight.
I think the National Highway System currently running is still around, so they could block convoys and blow bridges up.
dawn halo
Still, could the Deadlocks do more than train robbery?
somber birch
do you think genji ever encountered pharah during his bedouin phase
i mean they both have bedouin skins
such a niche coincidence
worthy rose
Neither are confirmed canon, I think
iron plume
there's a bunch of skin themes, they don't really mean much
neat geode
hoi
cunning mantle
sup
supple bear
Baptiste's position in Talon was lieutenant right?
dawn halo
Captain, or somewhere around that.
supple bear
He has a spray that's named Lieutenant Baptiste or something like that
dawn halo
Probably.
spring fossil
iron plume
well we're pretty clear on what the beef is
iron plume
they still have the personal difference as seen in voicelines
peak escarp
unless they're going to make Lucio suddenly relevant to the plot, I'd rather have a Mercy short
supple bear
mercys always seemed like a boring character to me
peak escarp
I think she's interesting
she's the only ex-Overwatch agent (who isn't evil) who seems to be against bringing it back
there's storytelling potential there
also considering how much of her background is gotten wrong by the community, it would be nice to have it reaffirmed
timid eagle
Mercy, be proxy, has always been a pacifist.
timid eagle
It's more weird that she joined the organization, especially when she has always been opposed to the organization's militaristic approach to keeping global peace.
supple bear
@tepid abyss agreed
peak escarp
we have had some forward progress since Recall
but not much
most of what we've gotten has been present day though
tepid abyss
Honestly the best thing we've had for going forward was crew's line about not rejoining yet
peak escarp
only The Last Bastion, Legacy, Junkenstein (the Halloween party), Retribution and Uprising have been set in the past
tepid abyss
It gives a bit more sight into current affairs
peak escarp
Honor and Glory is mostly a flashback
worthy rose
Post-recall, only Winston, Tracer, Brigitte, and Reinhardt have joined.
Lucio, Dva, and the rest of the unaffiliated cast may or may not join at some point, and probably will end up somewhat related to the main plot.
i think roadhog might join talon but im not sure about junkrat
crystal geyser
I wanna see that
shell onyx
As in like a reveal in a future cinematic or just your own theory?
worthy rose
I don't think Roadhog cares about Talon
The guy is anti-omnic and got to see that literally blow up in his face
shell onyx
But would he continue to be parteners with Junkrat. Nothing suggests that they would split but Roadhog seems like he cares more about the robberies and stuff on a professional level while Junkrat is mainly focused on the destruction part of things.
tepid abyss
Would at least keep his on his roster of reliable mates
Every pro has specialist friends
shell onyx
Would Junkrat join Talon in the future?
tepid abyss
I personally dont think they would
I dont think they would like the hierarchy and control that talon would subject them to
They might freelance for them though
shell onyx
Makes sense
timid eagle
I wonder if the Iris is actually the 'thing' that will start the next Omnic war.
dawn halo
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dense estuary
D.Va is interesting, She feels like she could become OW material but odds are the Army wont release her to OW(if the UN fully reinstated it that is) until the OmnicZilla is gone. as MEKA is kind of their primary line of defense against that.
Also I dunno if they would want to release a MEKA mech to an outside party. I dunno how much of that technology is known and how much is Korean military R&D secret sauce.
I mean their existence is of course known but everybody knows about the F22 and the B2 existing as well, We do not generally know what is in the cool parts other than "its stealth"
midnight shoal
The reformed Overwatch might take down the Giant omnic (it's name literally translates to Ghost/spirit). If that's the case then D.va and her crew might help them out.
brisk harbor
idk what the lore team is even focusing on anymore
limpid agate
Archives probably
Also the Summer and Blizzcon shorts
Those all take about a year each
peak escarp
they also write the interactions that get added to the game every few months
Michael Chu sits in on recording sessions
the lore team writes more than what we get to see
jagged rampart
honestly what's the point of the story thus far?
we know quite a bit about the past, and how its affected various nations
we know very little about the rpesent
peak escarp
we know that a new omnic crisis is brewing, and has already erupted in Russia
jagged rampart
They built up Doonmfist and ahvedone nothing with Talon in the present post Doomfist's breakoout
What
No, the Omnic crises never ended in Russia
peak escarp
we know that Doomfist wants to use Talon to push humans and omnics into conflict
peak escarp
they haven't touched on much since
give it time
Aleksandra was born in a remote Siberian village that was on the front lines of the Omnic Crisis, which began some thirty years ago. Although Russian forces defeated the robots and shut down their omnium, the region was devastated by the conflict.
jagged rampart
its been two years
peak escarp
the first omnic crisis did end in Russia
peak escarp
But on the eve of the tournament, an attack came from the long-dormant Siberian omnium, and her village was thrust into war once again.
jagged rampart
maybe there was a retcon
I swear Chu said the conflictenver ended
Anyway
it seems they're stalling for time and keep fleshing out the apst
peak escarp
2 years is nothing
jagged rampart
Introduce Sombra and the Russian president and do nothing
peak escarp
in terms of Blizzard storytelling
jagged rampart
Introduce Doomfist and do nothing
peak escarp
they tell stories over decades
jagged rampart
OW isn't going to be around for decades
I don'tmean to sound like a negative nancy
But I really don't see OWlasting as long as WoW
peak escarp
why not? WoW is 15 years old, Starcraft is 20
jagged rampart
Didn't they stop production on Starcraft II content for a while or am I wrong?
thsoe games were also amde in a different time, and are juggernaughts in theirindustry
they were amde in a different time
OW player rates are declining as well
and Activision-Blizzardhas gottena lotof negative PR the last yearor so
I'm nto going to claim the sky is falling
but OW is experiencing a slow decline and that's reflective of public perception of Blizzard as a whole
peak escarp
all I see is people complaining about Overwatch
but I haven't actually seen any of these things they complain about
the pessimism in this community is really getting annoying
jagged rampart
I think OW ahs objectively gottenb etter asa game
Honestly I think the amount of throwers and toxic people have decreased significantly
prolly due to LFG letting you ahve more control
my main issues are the slow trickel of content
and jsut hwo long it takes for them to roll features out
Your Overwatch made a verygood point on thelasttwo points though, as Blzizard builta brand new engine from the ground up for OW
so you can't easily port thingsor copy paste
peak escarp
I agree that the content is slow, but I don't know of any other games that put out content monthly like Overwatch does
that's probably just my experience - I'm sure they're out there
but because that's my experience, Overwatch's pace of content (even the pace of the lore) doesn't bother me
limpid agate
Gacha games put out monthly content that usually progress storylines.
jagged rampart
Yes'
limpid agate
Or on the map Castillo?
jagged rampart
Masquerade was awesome
limpid agate
Great. So what was the nothing that Infiltration led to?
limpid agate
Other than a hero (and by extention a map for that hero), and direct sequel comic, and an comic that ties her actions into Doomfist's core values
I wouldn't call Doomfist's goal vague
jagged rampart
He wants to forcehuamnity to evolve via conflict
specifically by starting a new Omnic Crises
limpid agate
He wants to reignite war between Omnics and Humans so the humans can evolve like they have in previous wars, such as the first Omnic Crisis.
jagged rampart
what does "evolution" s=cosntitue to him?
What if humanity loses?
Does he still care?
limpid agate
He doesn't believe humanity would lose
He believes they will grow stronger
And if they do, they will still come out stronger
"Defeat makes me stronger"
"Lose the battle, win the war."
jagged rampart
that's still an incredibly vague goal
limpid agate
It seems pretty specific to me
jagged rampart
he's a shallow character
jagged rampart
whom they ahvent done anything with in 2 years
yes, you can see a reoccuring problem ehre
they've alsokept Sombra'spast a vague secret too
limpid agate
... I think you missed the point of her character
limpid agate
Exactly
jagged rampart
How did she join Talon?
jagged rampart
Why are Reaper and Doomfist putting up with her?
then how the fuck does she know she was "burned"?
limpid agate
You are asking some pretty easily answerable questions
jagged rampart
That's not really how hacking works
jagged rampart
ok great, we've solvedone small plot point
what about the toher holes we need to fill?
limpid agate
Those arent holes
jagged rampart
There's a lot that could be done here
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes Sombra
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Sombra#story
jagged rampart
that they're notdoing
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sombra#story
limpid agate
Then you should know Sombra believes that whoever has knowledge holds all the cards.
iron plume
not very carefully, apparently
jagged rampart
yes
limpid agate
And she thinks that is an advantage over her that she wants to uproot.
jagged rampart
I applud you for regurtating vagueplot points
limpid agate
She is addicted to control, and wants to control what saw her.
jagged rampart
she beleives there's an overarching conspiracy going on
limpid agate
You keep saying vague, I don't think you know what vague means...
limpid agate
How much have you paid on lore?
iron plume
iron plume
no one disagrees that the story is slow
limpid agate
So I couldnt really complain. Its still a consistent stream of 3 heroes, 2 shorts, and an archives event.
Which is more than most ongoing games.
limpid agate
Which one?
jagged rampart
or really buildon Ana or soldier's characters
limpid agate
Bastet?
iron plume
but calling every single plot point vague and jumping around them without waiting for an explanation is stupid
iron plume
...did we read the same story?
jagged rampart
is there a second short story?
iron plume
because if we did, then you didn't pay much attention
limpid agate
And again, I dont think you know what vague means.
jagged rampart
Bastetestablsihed Solider had a boyfriend he's still stalking and Reaper hada family
Ok, that adds some niceminimal layersto their characters
iron plume
that's like the 5th most important thing it establishes
limpid agate
If that's all you got from it, you didn't get anything of value.
jagged rampart
what else did it establsih, then?
what holy grail of lore or plot progression am Imissing?
iron plume
overwatch shutting down an AI caused a long-lasting downturn in Egypt, which is the first time we've seen negative consequences of actual heroic actions
Reaper's weapons cause necrosis, suggesting they're worked on by Moira
limpid agate
It is also a continuation of one of the few actual progressing story arcs in Overwatch.
iron plume
for personal moments, Pharah not answering Ana's letters
midnight shoal
oh crap
jagged rampart
overwatch shutting down an AI caused a long-lasting downturn in Egypt, which is the first time we've seen negative consequences of actual heroic actions
this was esttablsihed in Phaorh'scomic
limpid agate
Indicating that Ana/Jack are ready to leave Egypt after leaving behind the image of a watchful guardian, which ties into one of the central themes of Overwatch as a whole - Hope.
iron plume
no it wasn't
midnight shoal
This channel went all out while I was away.
jagged rampart
yeah it was
limpid agate
Find the quote then
jagged rampart
that's the entirepoint of ehr comic
limpid agate
Please.
jagged rampart
they run into teh godAI
midnight shoal
So what are we arguing?
jagged rampart
bro read thecomic lul
iron plume
can you read the whole message
instead of one half
like you do with all the lore material
midnight shoal
Uh. Hello?
jagged rampart
Reaper's weapons cause necrosis, suggesting they're worked on by Moira
Wow such lore!
Maybe they could actually give us some plot progression
or reveal something significant in the past
iron plume
Pharah's comic has never stated that the dire political and economic situation was caused by the AI being shut down
this is revealing something significant in the past
limpid agate
I did read the comic. Overwatch acting on the Anubis project shutdown and being directly responsible for the destitution of Egypt was never addressed in Mission Statement.
If you can find a quote on that, please.
midnight shoal
We've got a salty lizard over here.
limpid agate
If you can't, please own up that you were wrong and move on.
iron plume
You not understanding it doesn't mean it's not there
limpid agate
Because or reveal something significant in the past is exactly what happened in Bastet
jagged rampart
shutting down a God AI thatruns the entire city's infrastructure =/= responsible for fucking upa country's economy?
Like what did you think would be the implication ?
thisis r/iamverysmart in here
limpid agate
In addition to the continuation of Ana/Jack's story and movement, as well as more expansion on the central theme of Overwatch in the setting of Egypt.
You didn't read Bastet
jagged rampart
I did
iron plume
It's very iamverysmart in here but it's not the person you think
jagged rampart
you didn't read thecomic
limpid agate
Reread it and try again.
jagged rampart
smh
limpid agate
I can find you the quote in Bastet
Can you find me the quote in Mission Statement?
the harder it was for me to escape the fact that we are
responsible for what happened to this city. We shut down the
Anubis project, and Egypt has never recovered```So where is the quote in Mission Statement that Overwatch is directly responsible for the current crime ridden and poverty stricken state of Cairo?
Moving on then.
@midnight shoal I don't think D.Va will be joining Overwatch anytime soon. Especially since we only recently got Shooting Star.
They'll probably keep her in the pool of heroes that are not actually part of Overwatch, like Jack, Ana and Mercy. Or for those who never were and probably never will be, Baptiste, Hanzo, and Zarya.
iron plume
Idk about Baptiste in the "probably never" group, he seems well set for a redemption story
and newverwatch is still lacking a combat medic
regal coyote
on Bapt, he is already doing his redemption work. he has a clinic thing and what not set up for people.
It is also likely he is having his own gang of people now.
While talon report says the missing agents are probably dead, but picture shows they are captured.
iron plume
Yes, he's helping people
regal coyote
So he is on his way to redemption
iron plume
It's not a redemption arc though
regal coyote
joining ow or not is secondary, though that provide him with safety
iron plume
a storyline like that ends with a punchy moment
regal coyote
also knowing he is still associated with sombra it is probably best he is not in ow
iron plume
and any event like that would bring new ow's attention to him
they're not necessarily associated now, she's just "keeping an eye on him"
but then she does on everyone
regal coyote
I am more into the case if pharah is going to join newverwatch, afterall it is her dream
and this time ana aint going to stop her, nor can she
regal coyote
on sombra-bapt, i think Chu implies they are goo dfriends and sombra actually look out for bapt so that is different from just keeping tabs on him
dense estuary
I do believe its still true that Sombra is only operating with Talon because they pay well enough she can fund the needs of her extracurricular hacking outside Talon jobs
(well and tend to have enough muscle around their facilities that whoever that was that found her before she became Sombra to hide probably could not get to her)
jagged rampart
Why is Doomfist keeping her around? I guess for her resourcefulness?
Seems like a dangerous game to play with someone like that going behind your back
iron plume
because she's got an unprecedented skill?
and also she's not as wily as she thinks, as we see in Masquerade
regal coyote
i do think sombra knows doomfist knows
but it is sort of an unspoken mutal agreemnt
sombra bust doomie out and help him, and she get to fuck around as long as she does not deter doomie's own plans
doomie also think volks is mroe sueful alive than dead
also even when it comes to personal goals they kinda overlap and agrees with each other in different ways
doomie wants conflict to facilitate advancement
sombra likes to induce change, and conflict being one of the ways.
granted her self proclaimed heroism is a bit alternative, and only a stepping stone to her ultimate goal of reaping the eye, the mans and process still largely align with doomfist
so yeah, they are on the same program, so to speak
as for the rest of the crew... moira dont care as long as there is advancement
reaper just want to trash things and revenge, and dont mind destruction. so it all for doomie
widow is just a tool.
mighty bramble
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celest reef
did you know that widow is from france
mighty bramble
most people know
cedar galleon
Widow is from france? Craaaazy
I want to know where zenyatta was manufactured is that too much to ask
worthy rose
He looks like a standard model, so probably at one of the omniums.
Actually, how many do we know of?
Russia, Australia, Nigeria
Detroit and East China Sea
dense estuary
id pin him in one of the original commercial ones. East China Sea seems like it was built by the omnics during the war, As I have no clue why Omnica Corp would have built a submarine lair robot factory.
limpid agate
Probably for the island Nations
frosty shell
Finally, someone who agrees with my theory regarding the East China Sea omnium!
I assume there was an Omnium in Europe given the Battle of Eichenwalde
cedar galleon
Didnt know people knew or cared so much about omnium factories around the world
Glad to be surprised
peak escarp
we care about a lot of things here that might surprise you
cedar galleon
Im in the lore channel of the OW discord I shouldn't be surprised lol
worthy rose
Considering how so many people are obsessed with imaginary relationships, it shouldn't be that surprising that people care about a relevant detail
I ship Reaper and Torb though. Sue me. /s
peak escarp
imaginary relationships are the one thing we don't care about
tired pewter
Are widow and reaper shipped in canon
worthy rose
no
@peak escarp Shhhh... some of us aren't psychotic with our shipping
Remember the whole "Who's Pharah's dad?" That was a popular subject in Year One.
There are very few canon relationships, and none between heroes
tired pewter
Lame
peak escarp
the only canon relationships are Tracer/Emily, Ana/Sam, Amelie/Gerard and Jack/Vincent
tired pewter
Reaper and Widow are perfect for each other. Edgy sadboy bad guys
worthy rose
The few canon relationships tend to be strong and relevant, which is why people like to speculate seriously. Discounting, again, the psychotic shitposting shippers
tired pewter
So Ana and soldier were a thing?
peak escarp
and of those, only Tracer/Emily are a current relationship
worthy rose
Like Widowmaker's backstory, which is a bit of a tearjerker
tired pewter
No wait
tired pewter
@worthy rose it is pretty sad. Moria turned that bitch into a agent 47
peak escarp
hey now
worthy rose
I am happy that most characters aren't driven by romance, though. One or two would be fine, but not defining characters purely by romance is a good move.
peak escarp
we don't know if Amelie was a bitch before her conditioning
not all ballerinas are primadonnas
worthy rose
It sounds like she really loved her husband, and her husband let down his guard enough around her to get assassinated.
tired pewter
Clearly she wasn't a psychopathic murderer fueled by the good feelings she gets when she kills someone
Yeah. She definitely cared about Gerard she puts a rose on his headstone every few weeks
worthy rose
I don't think Amelie was too much of a bitch, considering how much of a good guy her husband was
tired pewter
Do you realize how hard that has to be considering she's an international assassin for talon
worthy rose
Probably not very
tired pewter
It's the effort that counts
worthy rose
Who expects a sniper assassin with blue skin to just walk in public
worthy rose
You'd be surprised by what people can get away with
Hell, there was a dude in WWII who got kills with a claymore and longbow
peak escarp
if you saw Widowmaker walk in, would you say anything?
worthy rose
also that
peak escarp
she could probably kill you with her heels
worthy rose
you'd probably enjoy it too
peak escarp
lol
worthy rose
sorry ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just saying, if I had to die early...
Even if people knew she existed (debatable), you'd probably think it was a case of mistaken identity
worthy rose
Considering she broke into a museum in broad daylight
Moving swiftly onward...
yas
(please)
So uh
peak escarp
lol
worthy rose
Pretty sure people know what she looks like if they're following Overwatch and Talon
peak escarp
Soldier has a highlight intro like that too
worthy rose
She broke into a museum in broad daylight with Reaper
tired pewter
Widow is kinda cute tho no cap
tired pewter
She's got ass for days
worthy rose
focus
peak escarp
she has influential friends
regal coyote
they fight their way out
peak escarp
aka Talon
tired pewter
@regal coyote all the more reason for the law to persue her
worthy rose
and the recon visor can be taken off, ofc
regal coyote
the law can barely keep peace
tired pewter
Also, what's the inflation rate like in overwatch? Is the 50,000,000 for road hog like 50 million now
Or did the omnic crisis cause severe inflation and that's only like 3 or 4 million in today's currency
regal coyote
we dont know
tired pewter
Lame.
worthy rose
Why would the omnic crisis cause inflation?
tired pewter
Wars cost money
worthy rose
If anything, it'd probably bolster economies a bit
Depending on region
At least at first
tired pewter
Loans and such
worthy rose
Near the end, some economies would be in the red
tired pewter
How long did the omnic war last?
iron plume
@peak escarp You gonna disrespect Torb and Ingrid like that
tired pewter
Is it even really over
worthy rose
Russia probably suffered a bit because they didn't rely on Overwatch, but certain countries that could churn out weapons and ammo probably profited
tired pewter
Isn't there a giant octopus bot off the coast of Korea
worthy rose
yes
tired pewter
So technically speaking the war is still going on
regal coyote
no it is a giant omnic structure