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#lore-discussion
peak escarp
knotty crystal
if they make a movie they will have to nerf sombras hacking lol
its way too unrealistic
dapper shuttle
Hacking is OP in game, hacking would do very little in real life
knotty crystal
@peak escarp also what this guy said
widow is a hunter
she would calculate the risks
dawn halo
@dapper shuttle Look at Inflitration, Sombra did some hacking seen in real life combined with a little creative freedom.
knotty crystal
her short?
worthy rose
Infiltration
dawn halo
And reminder, Overwatch takes place in the future, which I assume hacking's effectiveness has gotten better.
knotty crystal
they just made her op af to overhype new hero
worthy rose
She hacks a massive robotic hand in <5 seconds
worthy rose
Of course, she won't hack any personal items or equipment.
dawn halo
Also in Inflitration, Sombra penetrated Volskaya Industries' security systems and has hacked doors alongside that robot hand.
knotty crystal
exactly why her short was the most boring one
overly op introduction to hype it up
reinharts and hanzos shorts were the best ones
showing their weakness
dawn halo
Boring to you, but importantly showcased Sombra's skill as a hacker.
knotty crystal
hero introduction =/= her abilities in the story imo
dawn halo
It could.
dawn halo
Possibly a Talon mission, probably another curveball by Blizzard.
peak escarp
I think it's going to be the Deathmatch map for Anniversary
agile summit
dapper shuttle
I think Tortuga will be the deathmatch/ctf/new arcade mode map
dawn halo
I will now attempt to outline a potential mission involving Havana:
Over the past couple of months, the Cuban nation has undergone revolution, bloody in nature, but few buildings have been destroyed. But during the thick of the Havana Revolt, a revolutionary group has planted a RDD stolen from Talon inside the Hotel Nacional de Cuba. Because of this, Doomfist, Sombra, and Reaper with direct assistance from Baptise rush into the area, full of smoke, attempting to find the device and remove it from the hotel.
dapper shuttle
RDD?
dawn halo
RDD = Radiological dispersion device.
AKA: A weapon that disperses radiation without a nuclear explosion.
Still, is it a good idea for a situation in Archives?
balmy stratus
when is archives remind me
dawn halo
Somewhere in early April until early May, when the anniversary event follows up from then.
dawn halo
During what I outlined for the potential Havana mission, the heroes have to first find a way inside the hotel as the main doors will be seriously blocked off, which is done via Widowmaker acting as support firing at the windows, allowing ladders to be deployed. Acting as the team's entry point, however once the windows are broken, revolutionaries will take attention and fire at the team, making a one person at a time strategy important in defending who's going up once it comes to it.
balmy stratus
smart idea
clever silo
Just because there’s a hotel in the poster doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll play on/in a hotel
dawn halo
I know this, and I'm attempting to outline what it could possibly be.
clever silo
Out of all the other posters, Volskaya is the only one where we play on what is in the poster.
And maybe Hanamura, but it’s hard to tell
But I’m leaning towards no
dawn halo
I have various other ideas for potential Archives missions, but can I please finish what I have started?
clever silo
Yeah sure I didn’t realize you were in the middle of it.
dawn halo
Once they get inside the hotel, it will be filled with revolutionaries with a few having heavy weapons, making eliminating the standard revolutionaries important as the heavier weapons persons will require Doomfist to eliminate as they could have heavy armor alongside the damage output. Once the heavy weapons guys are eliminated, Sombra vanishes for a moment, however while she is gone, more revolutionaries enter in the same area as the heroes of the story but with more heavy weapons guys. Reaper, Doomfist, and Baptise now have to hold them off so Sombra can do her thing, which Sombra finds and hacks into the hotel's power system, turning off the lights.
peak escarp
dawn halo
With the power eliminated, Sombra returns and now Widowmaker gasses the exterior of the hotel with a few of her mines, giving the team breathing time to get deeper to find the device, which Doomfist destroys the door blocking their way. Which they get deeper into the hotel, but now they have discovered a kill zone set up by the revolutionaries, they now have to take out their aggressors in force.
peak escarp
this seems very elaborate for an Archives mission
valid shell
Is this our weekly "I wish OW had a story mode" pitch?
valid shell
You're not following the formula of the other Archives missions, though. None of them have "Widowmaker gassing the exterior" and "Doomfist destroys a door" and "Sombra does her thing".
Everyone does everything.
Everyone can revive their allies in Uprising. Everyone can set the door mine in Retribution.
There's no specialist roles or 'hero moments'.
You're ignoring the precedent and just writing an idealized storyline.
That sounds more like a cinematic than anything playable.
dawn halo
Are you downplaying me as a storyteller?
valid shell
???
Homie, your story's lovely.
But this isn't an Archives mission.
I could also dump paragraphs outlining Lena and Emily's first date, but I couldn't call it something it isn't.
devout sable
an Archives mission can get more specific in its intro and in its ending... but in-between that, the only way the story proceeds is through voice lines and enemy encounters
valid shell
It has to be constructed so you can take any team of four heroes into it, from the entire roster.
Having "Doomfist destroys a door" doesn't work when you might
Not have a Doomfist.
dawn halo
I'll retcon it, that people just attack the door and destroy it.
devout sable
that only works if it has Doomfist destroying a door in the intro
just like Retribution intro had McCree knock a trooper out
dawn halo
Can I please continue, I'll address all retcons after I'm done.
valid shell
If you want to continue, write a forum or reddit post, and link it.
devout sable
yeah, this... doesn't feel like the right place for it, honestly
valid shell
Nobody's really engaging you and you're flooding the channel.
devout sable
it would be fine if it were actual speculation
but at this point, you're simply writing fanfiction
dawn halo
I'll stop, okay, I'll stop.
I have gone too overboard with it, I'll stop.
Can we just return to normalcy, I will stop what I am doing and do something better with my capacity for storytelling.
weak notch
@dawn halo okay but dude you're a good story-teller, if you'll ever post your story anywhere just tell me :')
tired pewter
Have ashe and mcree ever actually dated?
peak escarp
no
frosty shell
McCree said Ashe wasn't his type, "too rich"
dawn halo
How much net worth is Ashe or her family?
tired pewter
Ooooh
dawn halo
Do you know what net worth is?
tired pewter
Told ya
peak escarp
it could just be a Texas thing
tired pewter
Fair enough
peak escarp
since it's implied she grew up in Texas
tired pewter
Her dad is dressed as a rancher
And he's standing in front of some sort of barn building far right
tired pewter
They've got those little ribbed ramps
peak escarp
Her parents were highly sought-after business consultants and coaches for powerful CEOs around the world.
knotty hill
ashes new wepon slingshot
peak escarp
how about school uniform and butler Bob for Archives?
vocal pine
I'm hoping she gets a long-haired skin, maybe with butler Bob.
dawn halo
This isn't made to be taken seriously, but could the Red River Rivalry/Showdown football game still be going on during the present day Overwatch storyline?
tired pewter
Ashe has got some thunder thighs
peak escarp
thunder thighs?
tired pewter
Mhm, have you seen her safari skin shorts
peak escarp
🤦
dawn halo
LOL! Are you getting a little too thirsty, Alabaster?
last inlet
This convo
dawn halo
@stark cipher What made her backstory bad?
peak escarp
how is it bad writing?
last inlet
It's barely any writing honestly, not enough to be bad I think
stark cipher
It just. Doesn’t make sense that “rich white girl gives up being rich to steal” for like no discernible reason
dawn halo
Ashe is a person, she can do that.
valid shell
Emotional deprivation will make you do illogical things.
stark cipher
White girl gets bored of having the ability to do literally anything and decides on crime
Sure
dawn halo
And Ashe could willingly do that too, but it would take a ton of pressure for her to abandon wealth.
valid shell
What does her skin colour matter? :v
stark cipher
cuz only white people do that shit
valid shell
Are you doing your political thing again.
peak escarp
haven't you ever heard of Affluenza?
valid shell
Also, you just said her backstory doesn't make sense, and now you're saying it makes perfect sense because of her race?
Pick a street my dude. 😂
stark cipher
I guess it makes “sense” but it makes her a bad character because to me she just comes off as a shallow bitch tbh
last inlet
Affluenza lmao
dawn halo
We have 2 inhumans, 3 omnics, 4 Asians, 2 Hispanics, and 3 People of African descent.
stark cipher
I hate her
last inlet
I hate, uh... I guess Hanzo
stark cipher
Tragic
last inlet
Likr, get it together dude
tired pewter
Sweaty handsoap mains make me giggle
stark cipher
Dude’s a disaster
last inlet
Yeah you've said
tired pewter
All the air strafing, climbing up walls just to jump off them
peak escarp
I hate plenty of them in the game, but I don't hate any of the heroes based on their lore
last inlet
And you love a disaster
valid shell
Don't try to give airs of being critically displeased of Ashe when your dislike of her comes from your subjective emotions.
dawn halo
Over half of the heroes aren't white.
last inlet
Hate is a strong word, yes
stark cipher
But I like angsty character types so every time I look at Hanzo I’m like 😏
WRONG EMOJI
😍 *
last inlet
It's cool
stark cipher
Idk I just hate Ashe I can’t help it
vocal pine
I didn't care for Hanzo at first because of his attitude but he's grown on me. So has Moira, who I did hate.
tired pewter
Moira is my mommy
last inlet
Or like them
tired pewter
I've mained her since day one
valid shell
You're allowed to dislike characters. Don't act as though they're conceptually flawed, though.
vocal pine
She's a dog person so she gets points in my book.
tired pewter
Plus she bullies mei so thats cool too
last inlet
Wow
stark cipher
Like Jesse had actually been struggling and probably wound up in that gang under bad circumstance and Ashe just was kinda like “this sounds like something worth willingly trying out” like wow
Ashe really
tired pewter
I thought she founded it
dawn halo
Tracer, Reinhardt, Soldier: 76, Mercy, Zarya, Ashe, Junkrat, Roadhog, Torb, Brigitte, and Widowmaker are white.
The rest are not.
last inlet
She was a founder
tired pewter
Reinhardt is 100% aryan
last inlet
Okay we've moved past that point bro
peak escarp
you forgot McCree
dawn halo
And McCree too.
stark cipher
It says deadlock was founded in the 1970s I think and it is currently 2076 so
last inlet
Reinhardt is a big boy
stark cipher
The writing team messed that one up again
peak escarp
Deadlock was not founded in 1976
tired pewter
Baptiste looks like he'd be fun to play
stark cipher
When was it???
tired pewter
And that buccaneer skin is juicy
valid shell
The fuck is going on here.
stark cipher
I didn’t ever catch that one
peak escarp
that was only on the concept art, which was mistakenly used on McCree's Blackwatch skin
valid shell
@tired pewter You seem confused what channel this is.
tired pewter
Teehee, just saying
valid shell
Yeah, tee hee, back to #overwatch pls.
tired pewter
No need to be rude
dawn chasm
teehee
dawn halo
Actually, I theorize the Overwatch present day is 2074-2076, a CENTURY after 1976.
peak escarp
Deadlock was founded when McCree was a teen, so 22-ish years ago
peak escarp
it isn't
stark cipher
Wh?? Huh???
peak escarp
it's a popular date people use but it was never confirmed
all we know is that it takes place ~60 years in the future
valid shell
We're all hanging on.
valid shell
Lemme guess, some screamlord sensationalist youtuber said "OW TIMELINE CONFIRMED????" in a vid.
peak escarp
they have never said what year the Recall happened
stark cipher
Retribution was going on it was pulled from files 8 years prior
And had the date on the files
peak escarp
yes
stark cipher
Didn’t it?
peak escarp
there was no date on the files
the date is blacked out
same thing with the Cuerva letter
worthy rose
valid shell
@worthy rose Don't shill your trash here.
peak escarp
most people agree on 2076, since that's 60 years after 2016, but it was never confirmed
stark cipher
My whole life has been a lie
peak escarp
I would love to have the year confirmed, because that would solidify the parts of my timeline that are based on the phases of the moon
last inlet
Nah like, a few years of your life
stark cipher
My whole face just then was Hanzo looking confused with all the math equations around his head
peak escarp
(based on those same moon phases I would agree that it's 2076, but we'll see)
as for the Deadlock date . . .
every other instance of that logo does not have the date on it
it only appears on McCree's tattoo and on the concept logos in the artbook
stark cipher
My MESSAGE DIDNT GO THROUGH
valid shell
?
stark cipher
To six
peak escarp
stark cipher
I’m trying to be a funny man
stark cipher
Six I can’t dm you
peak escarp
good
stark cipher
Six please god let me dm you to make the one joke I desperately need to make
peak escarp
nope
stark cipher
unfortunate
peak escarp
I've had too many annoying people DMing me trying to be my friend
stark cipher
It’s just because I can’t send images in server
tired pewter
It couldn't have been founded in 76 or ashe would be like, 103
peak escarp
exactly
stark cipher
Did they give us ashe’s current age?
stark cipher
McCree couldn’t have been a founder could he? Cuz Blackwatch picked him up at 17
peak escarp
the most obvious answer (in my opinion) is that dumbass teenager Jesse McCree stole the logo from an older extinct gang and tattooed it on his arm
Ashe, being the smarter one, took the date off before plastering it everywhere
supple bear
Shes 39
tired pewter
Makes more sense than ashe being a 103 year old vampire lmao
peak escarp
and yes, McCree was picked up at age 17
supple bear
According to the official ow website
stark cipher
dang he woulda had to have been like 15
devout sable
maybe they just revived an old gang, adopted its name
peak escarp
plenty of gangs were founded by teens
stark cipher
Also very possible
peak escarp
the Crips, for example
devout sable
also, tbh... while 2076 isn't confirmed, devs sure seem to like that 76 number
stark cipher
I don’t know much about the history of gangs
devout sable
so it might just as well be 2076
stark cipher
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I’d like to know what part of New Mexico Route 66 is supposed to be in????
Or if it’s not New Mexico at all
peak escarp
I thought it was in Arizona
cunning ledge
I was under the impression that it’s clearly not in the same place as the real life Route 66
stark cipher
I mean McCree is from Santa Fe so I kind of assumed it was New Mexico
stark cipher
and Route 66 does go through NM
cunning ledge
Is the real Route 66 surrounded by massive canyons?
peak escarp
"Base of Operations" doesn't mean "hometown"
also, from Ashe's bio
Base of Operations: Deadlock Gorge, Arizona, USA
stark cipher
But his page does say Base: Santa Fe New Mexico
tired pewter
Probably because he operates out of it
stark cipher
So I’m not sure what it means by Base
peak escarp
Ashe's base of operations is Deadlock Gorge, which is in Arizona
but she appears to be from Texas
stark cipher
The way that the page was set up made it sound like Deadlock Base was his former base of operations, located in Santa Fe New Mexico
I never considered it could be his current base of operations
That would make a lot of sense on how he was on a hyper train to Houston Texas and also how he could get to Castillo with little effort
Okay that helps me put my brain to rest because I’ve always been like “why the hell does Route 66 look like the Grand Canyon”
cunning mantle
Because it was blown up so many times 😛
stark cipher
Lol
dawn halo
But still, it takes thousands of years for geography to form, and explosives aren't as effecting as what nature has at it's disposal to alter the landscape.
worn solar
Who would you say is the most morally ambiguous Overwatch character
peak escarp
Sombra
worn solar
I think it’s either Sombra or McCree
peak escarp
McCree is definitively a good guy
worn solar
Yeah, but he also allowed an infamous criminal and her accomplices to return home scot-free after having them at his mercy
peak escarp
that doesn't make him evil
worn solar
It’s still ambiguous
worn solar
Indirectly encouraging them to crash the shipping train is also kind of iffy
worn solar
Were there?
peak escarp
it was a cargo train and the engine stayed on the track
I don't think there would be any casualties
worn solar
I see
Still, the train was going over a populated area
Assuming Route 66 isn’t a ghost town
peak escarp
there was the diner, which he emptied before sitting down to enjoy his pie
he was completely in control of the situation
worn solar
Of course, the only people who know he was involved are the Deadlock Gang
worn solar
Which is why I guess he couldn’t exactly leave Ashe tied around a light pole for the cops
worn solar
How ambiguous is Hanzo, though?
fringe blade
Have you all seen the Q&A about Baptiste
restive flower
Baptiste has more lore than Zanyatta
peak escarp
yep
tired pewter
timid eagle
Speaking of, Lucio and Zen are anemic for world building and lore.
worthy rose
Yes, they're the two most in need of lore atm
So where is the plot so far anyway
almost everyone has a backstory but it still seems like we're at the "getting the gang back together" phase
worthy rose
when does Thanos start getting the Infinity Stones if you know what I mean
valid shell
You seem under the impression everyone's going to end up on the same team.
worthy rose
Did I ever say that? o.O
Overwatch isn't the only one recruiting
Doomfist rejoined Talon, Bastion is with Torb atm IIRC, etc
And I don't recall the Children of Thanos being part of the Avengers either
So, I don't see why you get that impression.
There's several factions, and everyone's picking sides currently. I'm curious when the dominoes are going to start falling into place.
Well, they have
but I am an impatient child who wants to see where this is going
If this was the MCU, it feels like we're still in Phase 1 and I kinda want to see what Phase 2 and 3 are.
valid shell
k
valid shell
mm
peak escarp
yes, we're still in the set-up phase
valid shell
You seem to be shouldering the conversation pretty well on your own.
peak escarp
not all of the Avengers have had their solo movies yet
worthy rose
@peak escarp Judging by their set-up, it seems like we'll never stop with the solo movies. And we still have them in Phase 2 and 3, like the new Captain Marvel film
peak escarp
but I do think we're getting close to phase 2
worthy rose
Do we have our main players yet or do you think we're still waiting for a couple more?
peak escarp
the only original Overwatch hero that hasn't had a chance to respond to the Recall yet is Mercy
everyone else has either responded or is thought to be dead
valid shell
Mercy doesn't want to rejoin Overwatch.
worthy rose
I can see why.
peak escarp
I think Soldier and Ana will go see Winston and then things will start to kick off
valid shell
Do you think Jack and Ana are falling back into ranks?
I expect that the old Overwatch trio will continue their own thing.
worthy rose
I wonder where Reaper's story is going to go, of all things. Edgy my boi has some depth to him.
peak escarp
they're not going to rejoin, but maybe support them from the shadows?
idk, I'm not great at writing plots
worthy rose
Sounds like something Baptiste would do
peak escarp
I just know what's canon
worthy rose
I really need to get up to date on Soldier, but he seems to teeter the edge between despair and heroism.
peak escarp
he's the edgy reluctant hero of the story
valid shell
Reaper might have depth, but he's just as liable to go the route of, "something something Moira made him go crazy and now he just wants revenge", depending on what Blizzard decides.
And looking at Warcraft lore, that second option is very likely.
worthy rose
it'd be cool if they subvert that
peak escarp
I don't think Moira made him go crazy
valid shell
Many people here do.
peak escarp
I think he's perfectly sane and in control
he's just mad at the world and wants his revenge
worthy rose
Depends on your definition of sane, there.
The guy is a bit of a psychopath
Just a little
Not as much as Moira, though.
valid shell
I wouldn't call Moira a psychopath. Sociopath, maybe.
worthy rose
I don't think psychopath or sociopath are technical terms anyway
peak escarp
he has his reasons for what he does - we just don't know what they are
worthy rose
But Reaper is definitely psychotic and Moira is detached from humanity
Part of me hopes Reaper is actually a double agent but that is both too obvious and cliche
valid shell
Still a better option than something something revenge.
peak escarp
I just want to know what caused him to switch sides
valid shell
Both are a little cliche, but I'll take Snape over one-dimensional "this......is my curse.........." revenge boy any day.
peak escarp
I don't think the explosion would be enough to do it, and his fight with Jack wouldn't turn him against all of Overwatch
worthy rose
I want to know why Brig uses a mace and tiny ass shield with no Rein power armor instead of a gun
valid shell
Her armor is power armor.
peak escarp
because Reinhardt trained her, and he fights with a rocket powered hammer
worthy rose
: )
peak escarp
she had to make her own armor
worthy rose
Rein is power
peak escarp
Torbjorn made Reinhardt's armor
worthy rose
oh right, yeah okay that makes sense
valid shell
Because medieval knights didn't use guns, so Reinhardt doesn't use guns, so Brigitte doesn't use guns.
valid shell
So can modern ninjas.
worthy rose
Rocket boosted tho
valid shell
Brigitte's flail is also rocket boosted, just in a different direction.
worthy rose
It also heals people
Somehow
Wait, no. She inspires people, like how Zen... encourages his teammates?
I'm kinda iffy there. Gameplay-story segregation.
valid shell
Healing in Overwatch is open-ended. Brigitte's acting as a moral anchor to her comrades and as she battles, they gain motivation to continue fighting.
In addition to her less vague armoring.
worthy rose
Kinda like how Zen is both a therapist and a pro trash talker at the same time
That's real. That's how his orbs work.
tired pewter
Isnt the reason why he's all angsty and evil because of experiments Moria and Mercy pulled on him?
valid shell
??
worthy rose
Did Mercy experiment on Reaper? o.O
tired pewter
Going back to reaper
tired pewter
She did
tired pewter
Reaper's lore page? Kek
worthy rose
Le sauce por favor
valid shell
@tired pewter Post a quote.
amber void
isnt Torbjorn Brigette's dad? why didnt he build her armor
valid shell
@amber void Yes, and because children need to be independent.
worthy rose
to be fair, she is basically a squire, right?
maybe she'll get her own knight armor later
valid shell
The existence of Moira means that Mercy had nothing to do with Reaper, aside from Moira commandeering her research.
worthy rose
Also, I really want to see another MEKA hero someday that isn't a tank. Kinda like the MEKA version of Brig to Rein
tired pewter
"Due to experiments carried out by Doctor Moira O'Deorain[1] and Angela Ziegler [2] Reaper's cells simultaneously decay and regenerate at a hyper-accelerated rate.[3] Even after the complete destruction of his body, Reaper has been observed to retain some kind of form as a black mist, apparently able to regain physical form at a later point"
limpid agate
Brig is also an engineer. Why wouldn't she build her own armor?
peak escarp
that sounds like a quote from a wiki
limpid agate
valid shell
It's not even on the good wiki. XDXD
peak escarp
It is possible that he is a byproduct of failed genetic alteration which forces his cells to simultaneously decay and regenerate at a hyper-accelerated rate.
limpid agate
Gamepedia is the good wiki. It actually contains sources.
peak escarp
this is the only part of his bio that mentions it
limpid agate
And back when I stopped updating Wikia, I was the only one working on it
limpid agate
3 references to Ziegler though
worthy rose
I definitely think Mercy's tech is related to this, though.
valid shell
Correct.
worthy rose
Overwatch had a history of weaponizing her technology
limpid agate
Also that quote looks like an old one.
worthy rose
Wouldn't be surprised if Moira "borrowed" it for Blackwatch and fucked shit up by accident
peak escarp
Mercy's research was published in medical journals
limpid agate
Nothing was by accident, and Moira does adapt Mercy's tech. But Mercy has nothing to do with Reaper's state. Moira is a geneticist that had botched her own arm long before she joined Blackwatch
tired pewter
I dont think it was directly done by mercy, but thanks to what mercy put out there and moria stole it made the perfect storm in reaper's body
valid shell
Except that's not what you said.
worthy rose
I wouldn't be surprised if she used Mercy's tech, adapted for her own uses, and fucked something up in the process.
tired pewter
That's just my two pennies on the excerpt
valid shell
So that isn't what you thought originally.
limpid agate
Here is her messing up her arm before she joined Blackwatch
Moira has shown that she fucks with genetics before Mercy's biotic tech gets involved
limpid agate
Reaper's state has nothing to do with it.
worthy rose
If Mercy and Moira had a baby, I wouldn't find "pain-induced hell of a healing factor" surprising
limpid agate
That is a useless analogy that is also not comparable
If Moira had a baby with herself, I wouldn't find "pain-induced hell of a healing factor" surprising
worthy rose
Overwatch has a history of weaponizing Mercy's tech, and a healing factor intended for a super soldier instead of a humanitarian project is in line with what we know of Overwatch's history
peak escarp
the super soldiers already had accelerated healing
worthy rose
I don't have sufficient proof that Mercy is involved, but I think her technology is involved somehow without her knowledge.
peak escarp
it was part of their SEP conditioning
worthy rose
But what if it was accelerated more, pushed to the limits of what is humanly possible?
If you can do one thing, why stop there? Why not push the envelope further and see if you can do it better?
peak escarp
that could be what Moira did to him
worthy rose
Come on people, think like a mad scientist.
peak escarp
what he wanted her to do for him, but she took it too far
valid shell
I still think that Reinhardt, Balderich, and likely the rest of the Crusaders are a result of a German Supersoldier initiative.
Of a different flavor than the American program.
limpid agate
Mercy's tech
Moira has proven that she can make necrotic limbs already without Mercy's tech. See the two images above
Healing factor for super soldiers
They got that >30 years ago. ~20 years before Mercy.
Overwatch has a history of weaponizing Mercy's tech
Ok. So? You can't attribute it to everything. Tracer is in Overwatch, but is unrelated to the tech. Likewise with Soldier's natural regeneration.
Mercy and her biotic tech are wholly unrelated to Gabriel Reyes and his necrotic ethereal condition.
worthy rose
You know, I'm kind of trying to have fun here, not just win an argument.
peak escarp
Moira could very easily use Mercy's research without her knowledge
because it was published
limpid agate
You're bringing up the topic that people have been misquoting for 3 years
worthy rose
It's fun to theorize, and I don't have any concrete proof on anything.
This is just speculation, dude.
valid shell
Homie you tried to clap me ten seconds into being here by saying "no shitposting" and "[serious]". XD
worthy rose
Yeah, sorry about that.
limpid agate
If there is any theory that some of us hate hearing above every thing else after its been given more and more disproof with each and every year, its this one about Mercy and Reaper.
worthy rose
I meant to say that earlier, but it would have been tacky at the time.
I was kinda pissed and took it out on you 
I'm sorry.
If it's really that much of a sore spot, I'll drop it.
The idea of Mercy's technology being used for the evilz is fun to think about, but that's it. Moira is clearly capable enough on her own to do the mad science.
limpid agate
You want Mercy's tech to be used "for the evilz", Moira/Ana/Jack are already using adapted applications of her healing technology.
valid shell
Ana and Moira in particular using it offensively.
worthy rose
You know, I almost clapped Moira there but to be fair Ana and Moira are pretty similar
can't just hold the evil guys accountable for their actions
isn't Winston technically a criminal now because he did the recall
peak escarp
Winston: Someone's going to put a stop to your illegal activities.
Soldier: 76: You're one to talk! You and your friends are breaking the law, same as me.
desert yacht
so in the Recall short, Winston is working on his shield generator and ends up using it later as a weapon against reaper.
it looks awfully similar to tracer's pulse bomb when he does that, do you think he turned that prototype into tracer's bomb and later perfected a different model into his shield bubble?
slow goblet
That’s an interesting idea.
But doesn’t Tracer have her pulse bomb in the fight with Widow? And I’m pretty sure that happens very very shortly after Recall...
tired pewter
Im sure he had multiple prototype designs before it was the pulse bomb in her ult
Maybe he just tweaked one of them.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
long ermine
tracer is pretty unchanged
the only thing different that we see in shorts from her kit now, is that in shorts she can blink vertically
other than that all her in game abilities are represented in lore, and in lore she doesnt have anything that isnt in game
only exceptions are small factors IN the abilities themselves
she can blink further in shorts (not by much), she can throw her bomb further in shorts, and in lore her accelerator runs out of whatever it is it runs on mid-fight, which you can argue is represented in games by cooldowns but ye
peak escarp
she can recall longer than in the game
the game gives her 3 seconds; in Alive she recalls 16 seconds
long ermine
forgot that one
as for this - so in the Recall short, Winston is working on his shield generator and ends up using it later as a weapon against reaper.
it looks awfully similar to tracer's pulse bomb when he does that, do you think he turned that prototype into tracer's bomb and later perfected a different model into his shield bubble?
from sick supa
they're both made by winston
so it would make sense they look similar
like how most things sombra uses/makes look similar
same for soldiers kit
chilly peak
In OW world it's like maybe few months ago
safe cliff
long whale
lmao
what do you think mercy is, bringing peeps back from the dead
also do you recon mcree lost his arm in an accident or was it something more like 127 hours
something to keep the brain conspiring
regal coyote
pure game mechanic
mrcy cant do shit if someone is actually dead dead
no she not a necromancer
but for mercy-moira.
some people maybe too protective of mercy-baby, but I am sure moira would have borrowed a few of the ideas from mercy's reaearcha t least.
But yes, supersolder program predates mercy by long.
and while we dont know the timeline for moira's necrotic research, it is probably before mercy's paper from publishing.
though i wont be surprised mercy's paper inspire some stuff of moira
and yes people are weaaponizing mercy's stuff, too f bad, i mean she is being too much of a moralist pece of whackjob on that anyways, despite her geniousness in biotic tech research.
regal coyote
Sombra is on Bapt side, even as he is eating pork griot and lalo
no argue with me, this is true.
also this paints sombra as even more of a person with her own mind, rather than a follower of talon at all. Totally like she is in talon for convenience only.
remote lotus
Does anyone know why government in Overwatch don't use hi-tech weapons and use heroes instead?
Writing a simple treatment and got curious all of a sudden
thorn lantern
remote lotus
Yeah i get that but they still can use weapons don't they?
Like in cinematic Shooting Star, korean government doesn't use defense missile system nor even detect them
And a single enlisted soldier had to carry all the hard work
Excuse me for some grammatic errors
limpid agate
@remote lotus The Omnic Crisis was 30 years ago. Shooting Star is the present. MEKA didnt really exist back then.
The reason why MEKA uses pilots is a recent one. Until recently, the mechs were actually drones. The Kaiju omnic adapted in a way that prevented them from working autonomously, so they needed to add pilots
You can read D.Vas bio for more info
!!loreHeroes
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remote lotus
@limpid agate thx
supple bear
I saw a vid on that leak
I think 80 20, in favor of it being real
Supposedly the bottom line says "Complete Extraction on hard difficulty"
So people are speculating the talon mission where they kidnap widow
limpid agate
@regal coyote Fake
Hard fake. The Moira silhouette is based on her Blackwatch skin.
worthy rose
I can't tell what's worse, fake or real (unintentional) leaks
limpid agate
Likewise, two main healers is redundant
regal coyote
good call
limpid agate
And I've also heard that the Hangul has mistakes in it
Also I remember seeing a version of this leak with some kind of watermark in the bottom right corner
Yours seems to have cropped that out
worthy rose
Are you a detective
limpid agate
This is as fake as Uprising 2018
regal coyote
my pain problem is the 2 healer thing, makes no sense
worthy rose
Jewvia is like Overwatch mythbusters
supple bear
There's speculation that the bottom left is not moira cuz she's already been used
But the problem there is that who else could it be...
limpid agate
It is Moira.
Its her Blackwatch skin
Or rather
The one from her origin short
You can see the devil horns from her varia suit
Likewise, this is also running off the dumb idea from when Paris came out
That the mission would be retrieving Widowmaker
Which makes no sense with the context of the map we were given
To compare to Rialto: Point C is Talon HQ
While in Paris, the points are...
A Cabaret, a plaza, and the maison.
Furthermore, what we were told about Widow is that she killed Gerard in his sleep, and then disappeared, presumed dead
Not that her and Gerard "died" in some grand lavish firefight in the streets of Paris
I can't see this being real at all
north seal
Too blurry for me to read it 
worthy rose
Maybe Talon recruitment
limpid agate
?
supple bear
When do you guys think we'll get some more depth on Echo?
peak escarp
I think Blizzcon
limpid agate
She is not hero 31
north seal
Honestly probably blizzcon
limpid agate
But I believe they will mention her again before that
supple bear
First hero of 2020?
limpid agate
The whole reason she didnt come out last year is because they wanted to introduce her some more
It makes no sense to just drop her a year later without any more information
peak escarp
she seems important enough for Blizzcon
north seal
Probably
remote lotus
At first i thought echo was robotized athena
limpid agate
She isnt
remote lotus
dumb me
limpid agate
It was a common mistake before we knew she was Echo
worthy rose
I thought she was going to be a supporting character rather than a playable one
Not that I know anything tbh
remote lotus
I think someday athena will show up as a hero
limpid agate
They confirmed she will be playable last Blizzcon
vocal cove
If it is an archives event involving talon, do you think it's likely that Maximillien might have some involvement?
remote lotus
Just a speculation
worthy rose
Oh sweet ty
limpid agate
@vocal cove Maybe the same way Jack/Gabriel/Ana did in Uprising
Or Fio in Retribution
But not physically
vocal cove
Yea that makes sense
limpid agate
Could also be someone else on comms, like Commander McManaway
!!shitposting @worthy rose
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worthy rose
Aight sorry
vocal cove
^
limpid agate
I was talking about Echo not Athena
peak escarp
she's just an AI
worthy rose
Reminds me of the Green Lantern cartoon
limpid agate
When i said was confirmed for a hero last Blizzcon
peak escarp
someone said earlier they wanted Athena to be a hero
limpid agate
Athena has no body.
worthy rose
Ai uploaded herself to a body
limpid agate
There's enough Green Lantern with Vishkar
vocal cove
Honestly
worthy rose
But doubtful Athena will become a hero considering we already have omnics covering that archetype
remote lotus
Wasn't there a concept of athena at project titan?
limpid agate
No
supple bear
@worthy rose is a spammer
limpid agate
That was Echo
worthy rose
Mass Effect still did it but stilk
peak escarp
she's also the announcer, which would make things weird
supple bear
Trust me, I know him in real life
worthy rose
No I'm not
limpid agate
I don't care.
If you want to report a user use @sullen pagoda
Don't derail discussion
supple bear
k sry
limpid agate
@remote lotus That was Echo, not Athena
remote lotus
I see
worthy rose
Echos the next hero no cap
vocal cove
Athena has been restricted to being a voice/ai for as long as overwatch has been in development
worthy rose
So, I'm a lore noob, but question: how many god programs are there?
limpid agate
Anubis
remote lotus
Yeah overwatch team said next hero is gonna be someone else
limpid agate
God Program is not as big of a thing as you think it is
peak escarp
they didn't say it's going to be someone else
remote lotus
@worthy rose what do you mean by a god program?
peak escarp
Josh Noh said "[Echo] probably isn't hero 31"
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worthy rose
Thanks fam
remote lotus
Well it says the document is empty but thx
worthy rose
The idea of omnics being hacked is frightening
limpid agate
Sombra can do that too
worthy rose
Ah nevermind. I'm chasing rabbits here
peak escarp
"god program" is a colloquialism for AI like Anubis
limpid agate
And as time goes on
It seems to become less of a "AI like" and more of just "specifically Anubis"
Bastet mentions an Anubis project that was shutdown
Suggesting it was just the one
peak escarp
Anubis may be the only one left, or may be the only one there ever was
remote lotus
Should i understand it as a basic programming system maybe?
peak escarp
I don't think it will be an important plot point
remote lotus
Hmm
peak escarp
it might have been at one point, but it seems like they abandoned that idea
limpid agate
If it is ever important again
It will be a one off contained story about Overwatch in Cairo
The shutdown of Anubis seems to be why the country is in the state that it is
Ridden with crime and poverty. If Bastet is something to go by
worthy rose
So kinda like the big omnic in South Korea: Anubis is a unique antagonist, rather than a dime a dozen common threat
peak escarp
(by "it" I mean "god programs", not Anubis specifically - I hope they tell us/show us about Overwatch shutting down Anubis)
limpid agate
Anubis is one AI that can manipulate and corrupt other operating systems (ie control omnics)
The Gwisin kaiju is one massive omnic that keeps coming out of the sea and retreating back in to fight MEKA. The Gwisin squids are related to it.
remote lotus
It is a way to fight back omnics then?
limpid agate
Maybe
We don't know its original purpose
Just that it had to be quarantined, set Egypt back economically, and is capable of controlling an army of drones and omnics
remote lotus
Quarantined
worthy rose
I wonder what would happen if those twp met
peak escarp
the fact that quarantining it broke Cairo's economy makes me think they had adapted it into their infrastructure
limpid agate
That, or that it cost them billions of dollars
And Overwatch just came in and confiscated it
remote lotus
Makes me curious
limpid agate
Also there was probably millions of dollars in damages in what else happened
remote lotus
I hope they release more info about it
limpid agate
Whether that was Anubis' corruption, or Overwatch blowing shit up
That is my expectation
limpid agate
They are
worthy rose
Could there be more out there?
limpid agate
As far as we know, there is 1 Anubis and 1 Gwisin Kaiju
remote lotus
Could be
remote lotus
Because overwatch team is yet to release more info
worthy rose
Will the plot ever end?
remote lotus
I hope so
remote lotus
But i honestly think they won't end the story
limpid agate
They won't write a conclusion
it will just be one of those expanding stories where even if it feels like a story got concluded, there is still more to come
Keyword was a story
remote lotus
@worthy rose as you said forever going on until the game itself ends
peak escarp
considering the longevity of Blizzard games, I'd say the story will be going for quite some time
regal coyote
superhero stories dont really end even as they end
peak escarp
it will probably have arcs
regal coyote
reboots, timelines, different ages
remote lotus
Different universes
regal coyote
heroes/villians who die but not really
comes back in semi robot form or revived by weird tech or what not
power go heywire and get remake, changes
people getting empower and depower
old ghosts coming back
etc
clones
remote lotus
Classic overwatch
peak escarp
I don't think that's going to apply here
regal coyote
and clones who think they are real
peak escarp
Overwatch isn't a superhero comic
worthy rose
Spiderman made me hate clones
peak escarp
it's a sci-fi video game
remote lotus
Lol
regal coyote
it is basically a superhero comic more so than you think, only less power, more sciencey
but format is the same if you look at it
remote lotus
So many versions of spiderman
regal coyote
the game is the game, but the lore is very superhero
peak escarp
but I don't think they'll do reboots or give people new powers or make clones
regal coyote
they even do "origin story" now
it is NOT a bad thing
new powers are probably just reworks that is sneaked into lore
clones, hopefully not
but maybe we get other more generic supersoldiers that clones in terms of ability
remote lotus
Actually overwatch team deemed overwatch characters as classic heroes
At least heavily inspired
worthy rose
I just read above and yeah overwatch is a high tech superhero thing
worthy rose
It only really becomes a superhero thing if they start doing all the weird things to keep characters alive.
They are heroes who have superpowers (and heroes without powers)
Not all comics are the same, so why should we expect Overwatch to do the same things or weird stuff like clones
vast otter
peak escarp
did you have a lore question?
dawn halo
Hardlight, is it possible to replicate it with another device or method?
peak escarp
unknown
all the barriers in the game (Reinhardt, Orisa, Winston) look similar to hard light so it's theorize that they are hard light
but nothing has been confirmed
dawn halo
Theories on hard light?
peak escarp
it's probably as common as flat screens and smartphones in the future
but controlled, also like smart phones
with one or two major companies dominating the market
Vishkar being the Apple of hard light
dawn halo
Like Apple, Vishkar does hard light primarily, however does other things. Some of it being nefarious such as what's happening in Brazil.
desert yacht
aren't soldier and reaper the only two with actual superpowers?
to an extent sombra?
they aren't really supernatural powers either it's all augmentation or injections
peak escarp
pretty much
desert yacht
symmetra too is just technology
waxen vector
a
limpid agate
@desert yacht You might also define Tracer and Winston under that.
Maybe Hanzo and some cyborgs like Genji/Doomfist too
peak escarp
I think those would count under augmentation
Reyes and Morrison are genetically augmented, so if you're counting them you should count Winston and Hammond
Tracer, Sombra, Doomfist, Genji, etc. are all technologically augmented
desert yacht
winston is the only superhero besides hammond probably
tawny patio
Ehhh
Foes doomfist count as a cyborg since the arm is ya know..not required to live?
peak escarp
a fictional or hypothetical person whose physical abilities are extended beyond normal human limitations by mechanical elements built into the body.
peak escarp
he does have a prosthetic arm that is attached to his body
tawny patio
I just defined a cyborg wrong
peak escarp
Sombra would also be a cyborg by that definition
since her augmentations are built into her body
valid shell
I would consider Doomfist a cyborg.
cunning ledge
Doomfist is definitely a cyborg
valid shell
We have no idea how much skeletal and epidermal augmentation he has, but it looks extensive.
cunning ledge
The first Doomfist probably wasn’t, the second may have been, and the third is
valid shell
He's probably got one or both lungs, some ribs, most of his spine, or probably all his load-bearing bones replaced.
Even the arm he didn't lose in the Crisis has been completely cored and turned into a weapon.
dawn halo
In my opinion, the only actual superpower not explained by technology is Genji and Hanzo's dragons, as it's history is beyond the weapons they are channeled in.
peak escarp
@valid shell what?
peak escarp
as far as we know only his arm is prosthetic
any other things on his body are cosmetic/gameplay
cunning ledge
His forehead has the deus ex shapes, his lower legs are metal on the back
valid shell
cunning ledge
There’s clearly something on the back of the neck too
valid shell
That's definitely more than just his arm.
The entire musculature of his right arm, shoulder, and pectoral are replaced.
dawn halo
Doomfist had injuries due to the Omnic Crisis which required prosthetics, and that was BEFORE he got the Doomfist.
valid shell
@cunning ledge
Permanent.
Suggesting that all Doomfist's other augmentations are just gameplay is inane.
dawn halo
And Doomfist has the sexy ultra chiseled jawline, perhaps the most chiseled jawline in video game history.
peak escarp
it's probably just support for the gauntlet so it's more securely anchored onto his body
cunning ledge
I meant more the side bit but the lights being there are good proof
The right arm was literally built for the express purpose of receiving the gauntlet
This is made very clear
valid shell
dawn halo
As stated before, without the gauntlet, Doomfist is physically strong without the gauntlet, just his standard prosthetics.
cunning ledge
One arm has lights on it and the other is filled with guns
Definitely a cyborg
Wait no guns aren’t canon
Fuck
peak escarp
concept art isn't the same as what is seen in the lore
valid shell
@peak escarp You can't call that proof that his left arm is unaugmented when it matches his right.
dawn halo
Still, he is peak human to superhuman due to his cybernetic augmentations.
peak escarp
well it's not hollowed out and filled with guns
cunning ledge
It may not be filled with guns but it’s definitely augmented
valid shell
There's proof within the same frame that he can have a convincingly human prosthetic.
jaunty finch
valid shell
@jaunty finch ?
jaunty finch
hi
valid shell
Hello?
dawn halo
The only actual thing that is superpower-esque that isn't supported with technology is Genji and Hanzo, I belive this due to their dragons having a connection to the Shimadas and not the weapons themselves.
jaunty finch
true
peak escarp
we know it's not magic/supernatural, so it has to be some kind of technology
dawn halo
Because from Dragons, Hanzo's tattoo releases the dragon, and he had to get it somewhere.
Same with Genji, but in a different way.
We don't know how they got to unleash them from a young age or once they reached adulthood.
peak escarp
best guess is a form of hard light
valid shell
Except Symmetra's hard light energy functions the same as the Dragons in gameplay and her comic.
desert yacht
must be thinking of hardlight from different games then
valid shell
Slow-moving translucent blue energy that goes through inorganic material and affects organic material without leaving visible damage.
And it's not your fault, hard-light in OW is criminally underdefined.
dawn halo
The story needs more hard light lore, like what is able to create it.
Perhaps we could have a future Archives taking place in India, a country that makes sense for Blizzard to show what hard light can do as it's Vishkar's country of origin.
peak escarp
just a map would be enough
dawn halo
Would a Utopaea map be lore important enough for it to be a core map?
peak escarp
is Ilios/Hollywood/Paris important enough to be a core map?
dawn halo
From current lore, there is a few jabs with Ilios and Hollywood, but Paris? I don't know. Some other city related maps like Busan, Hanamura, and Volskaya Industries had some lore released before or around them being announced as a map.
peak escarp
Hollywood has no lore relevance
Ilios has "Talon activity"
Paris doesn't have anything either
they might be used later, like Hanamura and Volskaya were used for animated shorts
but lore importance doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for becoming a core map
dawn halo
Still, it's up in the air for an Indian map, as it does have lore around it through Vishkar, and it can be another point where Blizzard can showcase more futuristic technology in the present day, in this case being hard light, as Utopaea was made from hard light. AKA: Show what hard light can do beyond combat applicably.
I'm looking at you, Symmetra
peak escarp
Route 66 has lore
dawn halo
It was used during Reunion.
peak escarp
we thought it was the site of McCree getting busted by Overwatch, but it turned out to be something else
dawn halo
Which it was the site of an attempted train robbery and a shootout between McCree and the Deadlocks.
worthy rose
Or just not canon.
shell onyx
Blizzard could've just made a mistake in the lore part of things.
Other than some rock formations in the background the train and bridge are identical minus the last train cart hanging off
worthy rose
Did they confirm it was Route 66? They might have intended it to be, but it's fairly generic in terms of a train crash on a bridge.
limpid agate
Fairly generic except for being the exact same train broken in the exact same way on the exact same bridge with the exact same cliffs in the backgroudn
I'm sure its Route 67.
supple bear
Is there any lore for Ayutthaya?
worthy rose
I can't help but feel like the lore regulars here are tired of us scrubs who don't know anything. Call it a feeling.
peak escarp
I enjoy helping people learn
it's the idiots who come in spouting Tumblr fanon that I can't stand
worthy rose
I want to make a joke about shipping but that would probably be shitposting.
Imagine I said something witty for a change
Anyway, I do have a serious question regarding lore: is most of it free online for viewing, or are there some comics I have to purchase?
peak escarp
all of it is free
worthy rose
Well, I know what I'm doing on my night shift Saturday. Why pester the regulars for all the details of lore when I can just read it all firsthand first?
Is there a convenient index anywhere?
peak escarp
there is an anthology of the first 12 comics that you can buy, but they are available free on the internet
worthy rose
thanks fam
peak escarp
peak escarp
I keep a list of all the lore
worthy rose
Thank you, thanks a lot!
peak escarp
every article, lore tweet, hero origin story, cinematic, comic and hero Q&A
worthy rose
Why are you not admin
peak escarp
I also have a separate file with all the lore-relevant tweets and forum posts Michael Chu makes
I'm a mod on my own server - I just come here because it's more active
I just realized
this Blizzcon will be 5 years since Overwatch was first announced
peak escarp
try again
worthy rose
Thank you, Lore Master
peak escarp
I've considered compiling a document for interviews/convention panels, but that seems like it would be difficult
remote lotus
Any news on overwatch movie or series?
iron plume
no
iron plume
"We are willing to make a movie based on this IP" means nothing
it's basically saying "yes, hollywood studios, we would like a bunch of money for licensing"
remote lotus
Lol
iron plume
it doesn't mean anything's actually close to happening
remote lotus
To think about it, pubg, fortnite, rainbow six series, they all said the same thing
That they are going to produce or make other entertainment based on the game
I am really hoping for an Overwatch movie though
regal coyote
MOST of ow lore is free
those that are NOT FREE are in-game things, where you can find on mps or models and what not.
But really, if you dont have access to the ow game, then the lore access is kinda "yeah why" a bit
tired pewter
I CANT BELIEVE YOU DIDNT WATCH THE HERO ORIGIN ANIMATED SHORT YOU FUCKING PLEB
Almost as bad as the "Didnt you read the manga???" people
iron plume
it's fine to not have seen any specific piece or lore
or even any of them
it's not fine to spread easily disprovable misinformation
valid shell
@tired pewter how tf is not watching a minute long video comparable to not reading a thousand chapter comic series
tired pewter
Anime pfp = instant disregard for your opinion
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Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
modern bloom
hello