or maybe it's just the canisters he gets
#lore-discussion
edgy relic
Oh hey, speaking of that comic, I had a small role in TheBeard's dub of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfU-QsbMy8g
I voiced the first male junker in the beginning.
stark cipher
Hey when the hell is Blizz gonna tell us what the hell Junkrat found in the outback
Also I know Junkrat is a maniac but nobody ever talks about how mechanically smart the guy actually is
Dude made a frag launcher out of garbage and draws out his own schematics that’s impressive
desert yacht
I like the characters of junkrat and Moira so much that I consistently forget that they’re villains
mild storm
is there lore for Baptiste, the new upcoming character for Overwatch?
sick sable
OK, I need to know how long ago Junkertown was founded
peak escarp
@mild storm
@sick sable we don't know exactly, but the Australian omnium went kaboom when the ALF sabotaged it after the omnic crisis, so it's less than 25 years old
sick sable
All right.
Thank you!
mild storm
thanks
dawn halo
@stark cipher Perhaps Junkrat is a high functioning maniac as to Reaper who is a high functioning psychopath.
devout sable
@peak escarp I think Baptiste's monologue in his origin story is what he's said to Cuerva, btw
kinda fits
peak escarp
it does
devout sable
especially with these three troopers incapacitated there
peak escarp
that could be what Cuerva saw when they caught up to Baptiste
and we've had origin trailers be in-universe before, with Ana's letter and Dr. Winston's log (Hammond's trailer)
Cuerva comes in, telling Baptiste he's got 2 choices: surrender or fight. Baptiste answers with "Choices? What do you know about choices . . ."
sick sable
... Who's Cuerva?
peak escarp
Orisa's origin trailer could be in-universe too
those could be the words Efi said when Orisa was activated
she seems to be speaking to Orisa, at least
Brigitte's trailer kinda sounds like her application to Overwatch
Ashe's sounds like the speech she might give new gang members
I wonder who Sombra/Moira's origin trailers might be addressed to
maybe their Talon/Oasis applications?
this theory doesn't fit all the trailers, I guess
supple bear
Is it true that Bastion's real name is SST Laboratories Siege Automaton E54?
dawn halo
It's his real name, but no one calls them that because it's a mouthful and doesn't roll of the tongue that well, that's why their called Bastions instead.
supple bear
Where is it said that that is Bastion's official name?
supple bear
The story segment says nothing about how he got his name
It just lists his real name at the top
dawn halo
The Bastion name is a nickname.
SST Laboratories is the company who created his model.
dawn halo
Defense companies always give names such as that to their products, like the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit, but it's nickname is the Stealth Bomber.
normal copper
So can we expect more lore placed in the present after recall this year?
Because a lot of lore we've getting is past stuff
dawn halo
It's unpredictable, but most of the lore in 2018 was around the present such as with the D.Va and McCree animated shorts, which gave us introduction to new characters, alongside the Baset short story.
The only past thing we've gotten was Retribution and clarifications through Chu or another high ranking Blizzard staff on the Overwatch team.
regal coyote
a few things for sure though 1) retribution will have some lore.
- new character would carry its short origin/lore at least.
that said the rest is unpredictable.
and chu likes to say stuff from time to time, which can be cool
jeff does it too, but he is less reliable on this
dawn halo
Your first for certain point was slightly off, it's actually the Archives event.
fringe blade
Wait, so Archives ends at end of April/beggining of May and Anniversary starts at end of May?
That's like 3 weeks difference
vivid meadow
yup
supple bear
What's the official name of Doomfist's gauntlet?
Rocket Gauntlet? Just the Doomfist Gauntlet?
valid shell
Arguably 'Doomfist's Gauntlet'.
limpid agate
I don't think "gauntlet" is part of the name but I cant remember
valid shell
It's what it's first called, but we all know that the Cinematic Trailer is misleading.
peak escarp
most times it's just referred to as "Doomfist's gauntlet"
the only source I could find where it was called "the Doomfist" was his teaser article
interestingly, his bio says
This difference in aspiration would lead Ogundimu to kill his teacher and take on the mantle of Doomfist, along with the eponymous gauntlet.
eponymous meaning "to give one's name to"
so I guess both the person and the weapon are The Doomfist
supple bear
K thx
regal coyote
Yes, the gauntles is Doomfist, and the wielder of the gauntles is called Doomfist also, it a title.
But for clearity sake most of the time when refered to gauntlet they would say Doomfist's gauntlet.
Just to clarify
humans do stuff like that all the time, just so they dont have to reclarify things (which is a bitch to do). Reason why we have ramen noodles, ATM machine and the like.
devout sable
It's referred to as either "the Doomfist" or "the Doomfist gauntlet"
peak escarp
no
stiff fern
supple bear
Another question: Is Orisa the guardian of only Numbani?
Has she even been outside of Numbani?
peak escarp
not that we know of
she was built very recently in the timeline - she hadn't even been built yet when the Recall was sent
and since Efi is a child, she's probably not going to be doing a lot of world traveling
viscid steeple
yo anyone know why widowmaker has the color skin of a blueberry?
Did like moira do somethin to her to make her all blue?
dawn halo
Widowmaker was conditioned by lowering her heart rate.
wet fractal
Rienharts voice in the game doesn’t match with how old he is or in the cinematic
dawn halo
It's not our problem, take the complaint to his voice actor or Blizzard's ADR department.
supple bear
How high of a rank is Pharah in Helix Security?
limpid agate
Captain
dawn halo
That's a commissioned officer rank, and it's probably not a coincidence she has the same rank Ana has.
AKA: Like mother like daughter.
neat geode
hello
lyric crystal
did you guys know that torb is so short because his calves were shot off when he was at war so now his feet are just sewn onto his knee caps
atomic topaz
isnt that the lore of con from king of the hill?
dawn halo
Perhaps it's a reference to dwarfs because they are small and often have popular culture viking-like beards.
peak escarp
Torbjorn is just short (and is unconfirmed to have dwarfism, but its probable)
timid eagle
Point is still there.
steep sparrow
Last time I checked, his turrets were as tall as him
plain wave
GUYS
GUYS
GUYS
i just realzied something
YOU KNOW HOW REAPER EATS SOLE GLOBES?
could that be a reference
to the
SOUL EATER anime?
clever silo
no
iron plume
he also never did it in lore, and doesn't in game anymore
plain wave
he did it in lore
he "drained" their bodies
also who here thinks jack is just a pansy
vocal pine
Soul globes were just a game mechanic.
neat geode
hello
worthy rose
goodbye
desert yacht
i'm guessing he drained their bodies like moira would with her powers
she probably put some of her powers in his guns
worthy rose
I'd guess that Moira designed Reaper's shotgun shells to cause necrosis.
iron plume
"draining bodies" isn't the same thing as "soul globes"
peak escarp
Medical records of the casualties reveal injuries and cellular degeneration matching other incidents involving the mercenary known as the Reaper, all but confirming the incursion as a Talon attack.
Reaper's weapons leave people with cellular degeneration and necrotic wounds
worthy rose
Do we know if it actually heals him, like in game?
dense estuary
I would guess whatever makes him wispy at times also works like Moira’s mindflay err health drain. (But it does look a lot like Shadow spec from WoW priest)
worthy rose
That's probably Moira's fade and whatever happened to her right hand + a lethal explosion.
Plus the supersoldier regen
devout sable
@worthy rose seems unlikely
devout sable
in Bastet, the wounds affected Morrison long after he was out of Reyes' reach
lapis oracle
That also might have to do with soldiers' healing factor degrading in power, not just from Reyes' attacks
dawn halo
@lapis oracle I agree with you, because Morrison is in his mid fifties at least during the present day, despite him having gray hair.
iron plume
it's specifically described as a necrotic would
normal bullets don't cause that
not within a day anyway
devout sable
yeah, I was going to say that
it was described as an unnatural wound
and it would be much, much worse if it weren't for Jack's enhancements
regal coyote
normal people woudl just die from it
from what is described, a normal shotgun hit would heav mostly healed already on jack, so yeah it is some really nasty stuff
neat geode
hello
clever silo
Considering what his guns do and how he “reloads” them, I wonder if it’s possible that he like
“Generates” new guns
And they’re made of the same stuff he is
worthy rose
i highly doubt that
not everything that is ingame is 1 to 1 explained in the lore
if you'd follow that logic soldier has a pocket with infinite ammo
clever silo
I’m pretty sure we’ve seen him do it in the lore too
Let me check
I could be totally wrong
worthy rose
dont try to explain everything with lore
clever silo
Yup, he does it in Recall.
What do you mean “don’t try to explain everything with lore”?
Like, we’re talking about lore, and I’m backing up my question speculation with examples
worthy rose
ppl tend to try to find some lore behind EVERYTHING
dawn halo
Dude, there has to be a reason because outside of the game, Overwatch is semi realistic, because there are real and fake elements.
And the fake stuff, there is justification for why it's there, even if it isn't ultrarealistic.
worthy rose
but regarding your question I'd argue that no, they arent made out of the same material as him since you can kinda hear how he draws them from a holster
so maybe backup shotguns? 😄
dawn halo
Perhaps the better question is why he DROPS AND GETS new guns instead of reloading them.
worthy rose
I'd argue that reloading takes longer then just grabing a new one
clever silo
And the guns shoot weird material
clever silo
I think it’s not even a question that he doesn’t use standard bullets, and that they’re some kind of special material that either he generates, Moira makes, or someone else makes special.
If it’s the first option which it seems like to me, I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think he also makes the guns considering how they’re reloaded
dawn halo
My theory is that it gives him more shooting time because no reload, just drop and get, and also due to his powers, it would leak if he has to reload instead of getting new weapons, so it's a practical and personal reason on Reyes' for why he does so.
clever silo
I don’t think it’s either of the latter options because if it was, why wouldn’t Talon just have an army of people running around with guns shooting the same material as Reaper?
worthy rose
I'd argue that the shotguns are special and dont look into the ammo that much
they are literally called "hellfire shotguns"
peak escarp
That damned scientist, Ana thought with disgust.```Ohhh nice catch.
peak escarp
the wounds his shotguns cause are unique - I don't think it's the guns, it's probably the ammo
clever silo
It could be referring to either Moira making the ammo or guns, or referring to what Moira did to Reyes to enable him to be able to generate it himself.
peak escarp
I like that Ana's first instinct is to blame Moira
stark cipher
Genji’s sword deserves a name
vocal pine
I think it has one.
stark cipher
I haven’t ever found it if it does
I mean his ult is called Dragonblade but is that the sword’s name itself?
vocal pine
Ryū ichimonji
peak escarp
yes
stark cipher
A friend of mine and myself have jokingly named Reinhardt’s hammer “Mildred”
peak escarp
what Shizuka said
stark cipher
Is that the kanji on his blade?
supple bear
Question: If Moira is so concerned with her genetics studies, then why is she in Talon?
Like what does she get out of being there?
peak escarp
funding
access to test subjects
access to illegal resources (Oasis may be about the advancement of science, but I'm guessing they're still doing things within the law)
worthy rose
And, I suspect, they have at least some morals.
golden orbit
Can someone explain how soldier became gay
peak escarp
how does anyone become gay?
worthy rose
well, blizzard was like I diagnose you with gay and thats it
clever silo
i dont think thats how that works hun
worn solar
My favorite moment in OW lore is Reinhardt defending the omnics in We Are Overwatch
It takes a real man to defend omnics after what they did to him in Honor and Glory
peak escarp
that's why I want to see his first meeting with Bastion
worn solar
Especially considering most of the Omnic-phobic characters in Overwatch became racist over lesser losses
peak escarp
I want to see his reaction to seeing one of the omnics he thought was wiped out during the crisis
worn solar
Ironic considering he’s probably the best character to use with Bastion next to Mercy lol
peak escarp
gameplay synergy has nothing to do with lore
worn solar
I know
blazing lance
Alright kids
peak escarp
kids?
worn solar
None of them seem particularly out of character
desert yacht
what about the part where they're all together
worthy rose
Some pre-release stuff has been declared non-canon, so probably.
valid shell
@desert yacht The shot where they're all together is obv noncanon.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @nocturne prawn
twilit nacelleBOT
@nocturne prawn Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
red forum
iron plume
no
fierce tusk
Isn't it kinda weird that for the Sep program Jack (Soldier 76) and Gabriel's (Reaper) number thingy equal 100? Reaper's number is 24 and Solder76's number is 76 btw
iron plume
it might well be deliberate
fierce tusk
probably
devout sable
@fierce tusk it's probably deliberate, but it definitely has no in-universe implications
people were like "this means there's 100 enhanced soldiers!!"
and I was like "what"
iron plume
"this totally means they're bangin" – internet
regal coyote
no, it means there is at least 76 soldiers being made
we dont know if all 76 survive the change, and degree of their abilities.
It can be just a few batches fo similar soldiers, or it can be batches with different ability
proto gabe and jack both show ability of enhanced body functions and healing.
iron plume
codes don't have to be sequential
regal coyote
well unlikely to have 24 after 76
iron plume
Seal Team Six was the only one when it was founded
regal coyote
but yes there can be gaps sort of
but likely thye would be sequential in terms of subjects, that said, we dont know failure rate, many can be failed washout or worse
but even if there is 76 or so created, the amount is really small.
and frankly, in terms of th world of ow, their ability is not that remarkable in terms of powers
regal coyote
but number is likely assigned as id not rank, and yes gabe was senior
and chences are gabe get his upgrades at sep first, before jack
not sure the differene between the upgrades though
I assume the tech on jeck should be more stable since it is a later generation i hope
also might explain why gabe would need help and not jack
regal coyote
how are they numbered then
i thought they are numbered in order of their projects
which is not necesary their birthdate
peak escarp
we don't know how they are numbered
limpid agate
We don't know how they are numbered. Maybe they just picked a number.
Maybe Reyes was 24 years old, and Jack was a real 1776 Patriot.
Did Gretzky wait for numbers 1-98 before he donned jersey #99?
No, he just picked 99 because he wanted 9, and 9 was already taken.
vital zenith
i prefer 69 for soldier
peak escarp
. . . it doesn't actually say anywhere that 76 was Morrison's SEP number, but I suppose Reyes being Soldier: 24 retroactively confirms it
limpid agate
!!shitposting @vital zenith
twilit nacelleBOT
@vital zenith Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
fierce tusk
Ok now i'm confused XD
devout sable
@regal coyote as others said, there's nothing to indicate that their soldiers IDs were sequential at all
so right now, we only know of two confirmed SEP subjects
dense estuary
I might confirm its his ident number or heck maybe 76 was his number back on the high school football team.
peak escarp
or maybe it's the year
valid shell
@worthy rose ?
valid shell
You know the mods can still see if you delete something. 😂
Not a great way to feign ignorance.
frosty shell
As people pointed out, it doesn't make 100% sense that Soldier: 76 would call himself that, and previously it seemed as if Soldier: 76 was just a nickname
But it's not impossible
It's possible only Reaper and a few other OW or SEP members knew Morrison's codename
worthy rose
excuse me wtf
valid shell
What are you confused about?
dapper shuttle
https://www.instagram.com/p/BueCWXhFwGg/ (blurry newspaper article, oh yiss)
-Baptiste's VA was first contacted by Blizzard early January (2019) and auditionned online. After a long screening process, he got the part
-Him and his agent grew frustrated by the lack of information coming from Blizzard about the project, they just knew Blizzard wanted him to play a Haitian character. On multiple occasions he considered walking away because of that but he's glad he didn't
-Recording took 10 days over 2 months
I don't know how long it typically takes but 10 days seems a lot
Blizzard might have Benz Antoine record lines for Archives too. IIRC, Widowmaker's VA mentionned that the first recording sessions she did took only a few days
Also, damn, they got their VA really late this time
I heard that in an interview with Stylosa, Jeff says Baptiste wasn't added for story reasons
But 10 days yo.
night ridge
I've been thinking of new Overwatch hero concepts. What about Overlord?
peak escarp
Jeff: So there's a lot of reasons for this hero. Some of them are story related. Some of them are how the character came to be developed in terms of his look, who he is as a person . . . all of that motivates us. And then obviously there's a heavy gameplay component.
(link is timestamped so you don't have to suffer through Stylosa)
dapper shuttle
Ahhh, thanks ! Didn't actually see the vid, just relayed what I heard. Should have checked
peak escarp
he doesn't explain the story reasons though - they just talk meta and blah blah blah
dapper shuttle
10 days of recording, Archives coming soon, Carribean Coallition, Havana map teased. Big hmmm.
peak escarp
10 days, maybe 1-2 hours per day
that's not that much
considering all the lines that have to be in the game for alternate game modes
dapper shuttle
Yeah no detail concerning how long the sessions were everyday
iron plume
VA sessions are rarely much longer than that
peak escarp
the longer the game is out, the more new VAs have to record
so a launch hero had a shorter recording time than Baptiste would have
existing VAs have to come in periodically to record extra lines for new events or interactions
Gaku said he goes in once per event
peak escarp
I wonder what percent of lines aren't actually used in the game
there's quite a few in the game files that aren't triggered by anything
regal coyote
lots i would say
which leads me to thinking there is gamemode and such that is and has been ready to release
chilly peak
limpid agate
Would only work in arcade if anywhere
peak escarp
and they keep adding those lines for new heroes, so it's a possible future mode
peak escarp
could be that as well
limpid agate
All heroes mode gets lines
Pretty sure everyone points out detonators and assassins
peak escarp
yep
worthy rose
Sombra works for soldier
limpid agate
Based on what @worthy rose
worthy rose
It's complicated
limpid agate
Then explain.
peak escarp
there's hints that Sombra may be working with Soldier, but I don't think she's working for him
she only works for herself
worthy rose
This
peak escarp
facts:
- Jack has been tracking Reaper
- Jack isn't the type to do espionage and stealth (according to Ana)
- Jack has access to surveillance footage from Volskaya Industries that is very unlikely to be accessible to the public
cinder jewel
limpid agate
On that third point.
I would like to defer it to the case of potentially reused assets rather than fact.
peak escarp
okay
limpid agate
You have a closeup of Reaper in cinematic detail
That happens to be a still from Infiltration
peak escarp
ignoring the specific information he has, he's still getting information from someone
Sombra is the obvious answer, but not necessarily the only answer
peak escarp
it could be someone we don't know
limpid agate
I think what "hints" there are is too minimal
And disagree that he would work with someone like Sombra
peak escarp
he might not even know it's Sombra
limpid agate
Jack is an honourable man. I don't see him making that kind of compromise.
He does work outside the law
peak escarp
could just be an anonymous informant
limpid agate
But not with others outside the law
dawn halo
Be lucky for game logic, because some of those missions and weapons are going to cause a fuck ton of damage.
peak escarp
what?
limpid agate
You dont necessarily need game logic. Just look at the Gwisin.
peak escarp
it may be reused assets, but his computer still says "analyzing footage", meaning he is looking at security footage, which is not normally accessible to the public
devout sable
@limpid agate there is a line in Bastet in which Ana wonders where Jack gets his info
peak escarp
which implies he got it from some kind of hacker, because he isn't one himself
devout sable
on top of that, Lynx noted a link between Sombra and Soldier: 76
so, I do think there's a decent share of evidence that Jack's informant is Sombra
regal coyote
it can be that wimp lynx17 too yes
but more likely sombra
also if anything sombra is feeding 76 info so he would act
and his persumed action might be beneficial to sombra in one way or another
she is planning on something
regal coyote
i am more interested in sombra's retribution towards volks after zarya incident
granted, she knows zarya is coming, i mean she is waiting for her practivally, partly due to zarya acting like a bull in the china store, even had lynx bugged beforehand
limpid agate
I wouldnt expect anything
If anything, I expect them to just push on past that comic
Only taking Colomar and Lynx out of it
You cant really expand on Searching without inheriting its flaws
So its best to just take the least confusing and most important bits and move on.
frosty shell
You can expand on Searching without inheriting its flaws
Most of the stupid stuff is already done with (i.e. Volskaya sending Zarya on the most roundabout route possible to search for Sombra)
devout sable
@limpid agate I mean, if they just explained the biggest issues with Searching, it wouldn't be an issue
like why Zarya took the route she did
knotty hill
im confussed in the volskaya short sombras translocater cant hack can it
cunning ledge
What do you mean?
ah
do you mean when she throws it and the guys are all surprised?
that bit confused me for a while too, they were just expecting an explosion but nothing happened so it's a funny joke
limpid agate
You can't explain that clearly without an equally flawed explanation @devout sable
devout sable
@limpid agate someone suggested that Zarya was simply checking out the places where there were recent reports of Sombra activity
some kind of reason as to why Zarya didn't go to Dorado before meeting Lynx would help as well
knotty hill
o yeah its kinda sad they dont have a museum map with that short
peak escarp
I don't think the Overwatch Museum is important enough to make into a map
slow goblet
I reckon it'd be fun as an elimination map, but yeah, it's not exactly relevant.
brisk harbor
wasnt that museum in numbani
mint sand
i hope blizzard makes a overwatch movie
peak escarp
I think they will eventually, but not any time soon
supple bear
What happened to Ashe after the latest animated short?
peak escarp
we don't know
sacred hamlet
Very good read.
stark cipher
We still don’t have a Hero associated with Ilios, do we?
valid shell
@stark cipher No, we don't have a Grecian.
stark cipher
And I can’t think of any other maps either that aren’t part of someone’s lore
what’s the deal with Ilios.. I gotta know
valid shell
Ayutthaya too.
stark cipher
It’s where Ana spends her time when she’s not doing vigilante work lol
I thought that with the release of Ayutthaya, they were going to end up actually adding that fan made Thai character as a hero
stark cipher
Well, Blizz world is Blizz world
peak escarp
or Lijiang Tower
stark cipher
Hollywood I forgot, if anyone has ties to that map I guess it would be DVa
peak escarp
eh, it's a bit of a stretch
valid shell
@peak escarp Widowmaker for Paris.
peak escarp
there isn't much on the Paris map that relates to Widowmaker
her home isn't even in Paris
stark cipher
Yeah Widow just used to perform as a ballerina there
peak escarp
Base of Operations: Annecy, France
Lijiang Tower is the headquarters of Lucheng Interstellar, the company that operates Horizon Lunar Colony
stark cipher
Right, right
peak escarp
but I wouldn't call it Winston's map
stark cipher
yeah neither would I
peak escarp
it's in China, but it's not linked to Mei either
stark cipher
For some reason Blizz just likes not having heroes correlate to Assault maps huh
Control*
stark cipher
I mean, of all the maps without heroes
I guess the most are control
If you count Oasis as well pre-Moira release
iron plume
Hollywood and Blizzard World don't have any
and Numbani didn't have one before Orisa
so Hybrids are equally "underserved" if that's your guideline
I don't think it's a pattern
fringe blade
Whats a world region/big country that hasn't been explored in OW yet
iron plume
South America
fringe blade
Except for Canada
iron plume
Lucio is from Brazil but we haven't seen anything else from there
iron plume
aside from a Lucioball map
fringe blade
Black Forest was Canadian, right?
iron plume
and Lucio is very short on lore
no, Black Forest is in Germany
the three arcade maps from Anniversary are all nearby core maps
fringe blade
Okay, so since France is Europe, next map is unlikely to be European
iron plume
Mexico
peak escarp
Mexico
peak escarp
South America, Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, South Africa
Oceania (aside from Australia)
fringe blade
Africa overall has 2 maps
peak escarp
3 if you count Necropolis
fringe blade
Ehh
peak escarp
but they're all in North/West Africa
Numbani is near Nigeria, and Temple of Anubis is in Egypt, which is near the Middle East
fringe blade
Isnt Oasis supposed in Africa?
peak escarp
Oasis is Iraq
iron plume
yep
fringe blade
We have had the Moon, Italy, France
Recent ones
Australia, Japan
Blizzard World is America
So every continent covered
iron plume
the latest ones were Blizzard World (US), Rialto (Europe), Busan (asia) and Paris (Europe again)
so the big three common ones are covered
fringe blade
Only missing somewhere in the ocean(?) and S. America
fringe blade
I think Carribean Islands count as N. America
iron plume
as a continent, kinda
but as a continent, europe and asia are the same thing
it's a separate region
stark cipher
Hm...
iron plume
i'm not getting into that whole thing
stark cipher
They covered p much everything
fringe blade
Yea, sorry
iron plume
but if you're doing cultural borders, central america is separate
iron plume
plus "North American" maps have just been one in mexico and three in the US
stark cipher
I want a Nordic map
iron plume
so not exactly big on variety
fringe blade
Eichenwalde?
fringe blade
It has that feel to it tho
iron plume
not really
stark cipher
Mmmmm not really
iron plume
you've got two heroes tho don't be greedy
iron plume
it's not "possible", it's confirmed
stark cipher
And Lucio likes hockey and that’s it
for a guy from Brazil, Lucio really does love the colder inclined sports
fringe blade
What does hockey have to do with Canada
stark cipher
Idk it’s popular up there
peak escarp
it's only our national sport
fringe blade
No its not
peak escarp
and one of the things we're known for
fringe blade
Lacrosse is national sport
peak escarp
okay it's an unofficial national sport
stark cipher
Dude, Hockey is one of the number one things Canada is known for national sport or not
fringe blade
Thats true
peak escarp
it's still associated with Canada
fringe blade
But its kind of depressing. Canada should be knowm for all the other awesome things it has, not just some sport
stark cipher
Subzero temperatures? Politeless?? Uh... lots of woods?????? Wildlife?? Which part
peak escarp
Canada is known for hockey, good beer and politeness
fringe blade
Beautiful nature? Unbelievable culture?
peak escarp
everywhere has that
fringe blade
Polite people live everywhere
stark cipher
Canada’s culture (from my understanding as an American who has forgotten most of their history courses) is contained in two (two) places: Montreal, and the Inuit
fringe blade
It has become quite an annoying stereotype, that if you are a Canadian, then you must be polite
stark cipher
I mean yeah it is just a stereotype
fringe blade
Canada has hundreds upon hundreds of tribes living alongside each other, all sharing and carrying beautiful and exotic culture, which should be recognized much more
fringe blade
RSMP? Lmao
stark cipher
The fellows in the red coats and wide hats
fringe blade
RCMP* (mobile)
peak escarp
stark cipher
YEAH THOSE DUDES
peak escarp
aka our national police force
mental lily
Heck yeah
peak escarp
(they don't always wear the red - that's just for parades)
fringe blade
Those lads are not just our police, but pretty much also the FBI and National Guard
stark cipher
So glad America is known for Football fanatics and Police brutality (I’m not)
fringe blade
Of Canada
iron plume
no one knows america for your football fanatics
it's mostly the police thing and school shootings
iron plume
Stupid sports fanatics are an Eastern euro thing
stark cipher
I can’t wait for next year
fringe blade
Wait, Doctor, you are a Canadian?
iron plume
i mean they're an everywhere thing but you haven't seen them up to 11 until you've seen the balkan ones
fringe blade
Eyy, a fellow Canadian
valid shell
Pft.
stark cipher
It is time for Trungus and Theresa May to be REMOVED
iron plume
okay maybe chill on that
stark cipher
From office
valid shell
Get your political shit outta here.
iron plume
I know
but this has strayed way outside of the discussion scope at this point
fringe blade
Can we get back to lore
stark cipher
I mean that’s literally all I had to say on the matter
fringe blade
So a new map will def not be Europe
iron plume
what countries are known for is tangentially relevant at a big stretch
opinion on current politics isn't
New map is like 90% likely to be Havana
they don't make hints that obvious for nothing
stark cipher
I apologize for having strong opinions on you know who I have to hear about him on the news every day and I’m getting tired of it
but anywhom
fringe blade
I want a Tech-y map, like Lijang
iron plume
Busan is pretty techy
fringe blade
No map has the same feel for me
stark cipher
I want. Hm
iron plume
1/3 is a full on mechanized base and another is a hip modern city
stark cipher
Eichenwalde is my fav, so I’m a fan of scenic maps
iron plume
Lijiang has the same layout pretty much
stark cipher
Night maps are good!
fringe blade
Not Night, DARK
peak escarp
iron plume
if you mean dark in the cyberpunk sense of like downtrodden or whatever, Lijiang isn't that
peak escarp
blue are main maps, orange are arcade, green are lucioball
fringe blade
They just feel really dark, but not in the not-enough-light kind of way
iron plume
that's an interesting antarctica you've got there
peak escarp
also the map didn't include antarctica so I guessed where Ecopoint should be
iron plume
I'd settle for any polynesia
stark cipher
To be completely and totally honest
peak escarp
most wanted maps right now are Rio and Utopaea
stark cipher
We should have some more African based maps
iron plume
they're most wanted because they've been teased as important places, not so much because of location
although Rio is also that
stark cipher
Trinidad or something, literally pick any country they’ve all got something going for them
stark cipher
Here’s the thing, I’m very bad with maps
fringe blade
I never knew I wanted a map is New Zealand's green hills
peak escarp
a Caribbean map would be nice (and with Havana being hinted at . . . )
iron plume
undermines your argument a bit when you're asking for african maps through doesn't it
valid shell
dude who wanted to start a political discussion doesn't know geography
stark cipher
Saw Donald Glover doing stand up two nights ago and he mentioned Trinidad and immigrants and was speaking in the accent and I was like “...Trinidad is in Africa?? That doesn’t sound quite right”
And then I didn’t google it
And the punishment I get is making myself look like an idiot in front of people
valid shell
I would dig a Caribbean map that's a manmade island.
fringe blade
I never knew I wanted a map is New Zealand's green hills
iron plume
also i fixed doc's map yw
valid shell
Because something something sea levels rising, something something give Mei some involvement in the story.
fringe blade
I never knew I wanted a map is New Zealand's green hills
stark cipher
Dude I didn’t want to start a political discussion, someone said Trungus’ name and I went rabid for a hot second @valid shell
peak escarp
lol
fringe blade
I never knew I wanted a map is New Zealand's green hills
iron plume
sounds like those hills have spotty internet
fringe blade
No , those hills have people that want their opinion to be heard
I never knew I wanted a map is New Zealand's green hills
iron plume
can you stop now
fringe blade
K
stark cipher
Excuse us for actually wanting to reflect and talk about the media we consume
stark cipher
For what
valid shell
stark cipher
That didn’t answer my question
iron plume
It should
valid shell
This isn't the channel to "reflect and talk about the media you consume".
Head to #general-discussion.
stark cipher
We were back to talking about map design w
Fucking anyway
Utopaea I forgot exists for a while until you mentioned it again
They really been sleeping on that huh
peak escarp
Rio and Utopaea are wanted because of story reasons
and the Swiss HQ (maybe as a deathmatch map? although the practice range has a lot of similarities to the Swiss HQ seen in Uprising)
valid shell
Might be difficult to differentiate Utopaea from Numbani and Oasis, aesthetically.
peak escarp
Utopaea is a city of hard light constructions
iron plume
They could turn the architecture fuckery up to 11 on utopaea
peak escarp
I'm sure they'd find a way to make it unique
iron plume
since if a full hard light city
stark cipher
It’s the cyberpunk map we deserve
iron plume
eeeehhhhhhh
stark cipher
Can cyberpunk not be clean?
iron plume
mirror's edge is cyberpunk
and that's got all that white and whatever
utopaea definitely fits thematically
valid shell
[Blank]punk is supposed to be the subversive counterculture that comes from a setting.
fringe blade
Hard Light needs a peoper definition first
stark cipher
That does put a kink into categorizing hard light constructs
stark cipher
I’d be willing to assume that “hard light” isn’t light at all since well
Light has no mass
iron plume
they're not going to rigorously define it in scientific terms
stark cipher
yeah
fringe blade
At least give its boundaries
iron plume
but we know of its capabilities at strength
Utopaea (and presumably Rio now) have building-sized constructs
fringe blade
We see from Syms turrets that it can make solid, normal looking objects
stark cipher
It is sci if, so they can afford to be a little vague about it
fringe blade
Not THIS vague tho
stark cipher
I don’t know how they’re manipulating light itself to do that but man they sure are doing it
lasers ???
lasers
fringe blade
Not lasers, I don't think
stark cipher
It’s maybe in the same ballpark
It’s getting on the right track I think
it’s kinda like holograms, but with physical presence somehow
stark cipher
That’s true, but it doesn’t only hurt people yeah
Sym uses it as a bridge in her comic
fringe blade
I find it interesting how the only character so far who is autistic gets the ability to be creative with h
er designs. Autistic people tend to have a much wider imagination and creativity i believe
stark cipher
From what I’ve always heard, yeah
Autistics be thinkin outside the box
I’d really like some more Zenyatta lore
they don’t give the guy enough
stark cipher
That is true
It’s nice to remember every now and again Zenyatta is only 20
And acts a little silly sometimes
But at the same time, that’s probably pretty old for an omnic
Bastion is what, 30 something? 35?
iron plume
30
valid shell
Would be a neat progression for this couple:
Since we've seen them, what
Three times now?
stark cipher
I don’t even know what their names are but I support them so much
I feel for that woman because I too, would date an omnic given the chance
(Insert “I Just Think They’re Neat” image here)
weak notch
Wait, I know we've seen them in the Widowmaker's short but where else have we seen them?
tawny patio
long ermine
not confirmed to be the same people
butthey're all on kings row, and have similarities
blue eyes blond hair, same shape face for the woman
omnic boi has the three dots the same
same eyes
same jaw
the second one, https://imgur.com/a/HpCzn this one
i dont think is the same omnic at least
the eyes are different
cant really tell because my resolution is low
weak notch
Thanks!
regal coyote
Bastion age is meaningless
he had been deactivated for unknown period of time, so his functional age is lower.
BUT he a robot so his initial programming already imitates an age, although we do not know what it should be.
weak notch
We all know that Bastion is just Torb's son
regal coyote
Same goes for zen, he is only 20 or so but his initial programming is probablly not a toddler, so most likely a basic adult default setup, so he can be afunctional robot for the society
tbh Torbison sounds like a ncie name for bastion
more unique
weak notch
Omg yes headcanon
Bastion Torbison
It even rhymes
Also if I can change topic, what do you think Echo is? Like,, I heard someone saying that she was Athena's human form, some others say that she's the "Iris" that Zen mentions, etc..
fallen bramble
I've been waiting since the game's launch for a greek hero, especially when i found out about ilios
I rly hope Echo will be a greek hero since the word echo is greek
Her colors seem to be white and blue, same as Greece's flag so makes sense to me
devout sable
@weak notch Echo's concept art had Athena's logo on it, and her name in early development was "Iris"
it doesn't really mean anything though
weak notch
@devout sable yeah but if I'm not wrong the developers said that the logo was there only to be changed in the future
Like they didn't draw Echo's logo and used Athena's for example
worthy rose
Sup
devout sable
I believe that Echo is a copy of someone's consciousness, preserved within a machine
hence the name
weak notch
@fallen bramble welcome to the club, I'd love to see an Italian hero but it will probably be some mafia guy
@devout sable it could be!
weak notch
@fallen bramble that's better tbh
fallen bramble
But a mafia guy would make more sense in ow
light osprey
I agree
rocky plover
regal coyote
How about a plumber for italian guy? he is much more famous.
iron plume
He's saying that suggesting the italian guy to be from mafia or a delivery guy is stupid and stereotypical, so you might as well go full idiot and make him a plumber because mario
devout sable
I do hope it's not a serious idea though
cause, you know
it sure doesn't sound like one
iron plume
Even considering the author, I think it's a joke
iron plume
I wouldn't mind a mafia-ish talon guy, just as long as they're not full stereotype mode
devout sable
I think that if we were to get an Italian hero, maybe some kind of vigilante would work a bit better
could have some history with Vialli too
iron plume
ooh
hm
maybe someone who didn't manage to take down talon and was defeated, now seeking revenge
to set it apart from the lucio/vishkar story a bit
cunning ledge
Was three voice lines about his dad not enough?
iron plume
super he said liao
and well the thing is, we even don’t know if he still “exists”
it’s entirely possible they’ve been completely shelved
cunning ledge
ah shit i've been had
my bad
Liao likely does not exist at this point in time
or is being completely remade so it's an entirely new character with the name Liao
iron plume
like the son who’s an accountant
peak escarp
Liao is an enigma, both in-universe and for us
regal coyote
makes more sense if he is also one of the ones that turned villian
peak escarp
how does that make more sense?
regal coyote
well they a founder, but does not get involved in events afterwards, so good explanation inculdes: death, turned evil, or left cause of differences.
unlikely to be a silly reason for them to leave like showing up on the job high and stuff
of the three suggested things, death is least interesting, so the alst two
now if they split with ow, there should be a reaason.
consider they a founder it makes sense theyw ould consider work on neutralizing probable threat like omnic uprising that may happen, so turning a villian like figure (or mroe like an antihero) would make sense. like groups more entreme in actions of eliminating threat
pastel steppe
What about the guy who bombed OW headquarters and "killed jack and Gabe"
regal coyote
NO. not saying they join talon
pastel steppe
Do we know about that yet
regal coyote
nothing yet
peak escarp
it's implied that Talon was behind the bombing
pastel steppe
Yeah but I'm curious did they intentionally hurt Gabe and brainwash him or how was he roped into Talon. We know moira helped him but not much else
worthy rose
It doesn't make too much sense for Reyes to join Talon after they blew him up
worthy rose
That actually makes a lot of sense.
But why is he on the council if he's only with them for his medical condition?
peak escarp
and he might not even know Talon was behind the bombing
he still blames Jack for everything
devout sable
hmm, we're not sure exactly what caused the explosion, but we know that Reyes blames Jack, yeah
worthy rose
Possibly. But he'd almost definitely know once he was on the council.
peak escarp
he's likely on the council because he's a black ops soldier and Talon wants to take advantage of his skills and knowledge of Overwatch
devout sable
I do think that Reyes only joined Talon after the HQ explosion, but already unknowingly worked for Talon before that in the form of 'favors' for Moira
Moira simply came clean once the explosion happened
and at that point, Reyes figured, why not
worthy rose
They don't make the best marksmen in the military generals. Just like Widow isn't on the council even though she's one of their best agents.
devout sable
he's still pretty good with intel
worthy rose
"why not" has to be one of the weirdest things I've seen
devout sable
hm?
worthy rose
I was saying that he wouldn't become a general because he was good at fighting. Good point on the strategist though.
If Reyes only joined Talon after the fight and bombing, that implies that some other organization caused the bombing.
cursive cipher
true like the "whats his favorite food"
peak escarp
it is nice to learn that Baptiste and Sombra are friends (someone actually likes her)
white cobalt
Yeah, that was interesting
limpid agate
I think this Q and A is much better than the Brigitte one
It brings more detail to the early days of Talon we didn't know
All we knew was they dealt in Arms Dealing and misc terrorist organizations
Now we know they, at least as a front, did private security
peak escarp
it's interesting that they did public recruiting by posing as a mercenary company
limpid agate
peak escarp
Captain Cuerva and his team disappeared
Cuerva confirmed male
boo - I was hoping for a female Talon captain
iron plume
As he’s lately been assisting with humanitarian efforts around the world, he’s certainly familiar with Mercy’s recent work.
Not saying they will meet, but also not not saying that
peak escarp
she's probably famous enough
limpid agate
@dense gale No advertising
dense gale
ok
last inlet
I think we learned more about his background than you'd think. Didn't think that someone would ask about Sombra though, or his, uh, favorite food
iron plume
there's always some fluff questions
misty verge
I have a theory that sym is zarya's daughter cus they both have beam primary fire and ball secondly fire
peak escarp
at least this had some information we didn't know, like Baptiste and Sombra being friends, and Talon recruiting from the public by posing as a mercenary company
. . .
@misty verge there is so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start
lean prawn
start at them being the same age
last inlet
And end there
I imagine they both started as grunts in Talon around the same time
Makes it easier to believe they'd know each other
peak escarp
they both have similar backgrounds, being orphans from the crisis
something to bond over
last inlet
He may have made it to Lieutenant? Kinda makes me wonder if Sombra has a rank
peak escarp
bonding over shared experiences, I mean
iron plume
yeah I get what you mean
last inlet
Or, well, any of them
iron plume
that's not why the thonk
peak escarp
Mercy is also a crisis orphan
iron plume
peak escarp
and he has heard of her work (unconfirmed if they've met though - the potential is there, since they're in the same field of work currently)
iron plume
certainly familiar with her recent work
supple bear
How do we know Mercy was an orphan?
peak escarp
Because her parents had been taken by war, Ziegler was opposed to the organization's militaristic approach to keeping global peace.
valid shell
@supple bear Second paragraph of her bio.
cedar galleon
Lore drop folks
Anyone know what the baptiste mercy connection is? That left me a bit clueless
peak escarp
Baptiste is a former Talon agent who is an orphan of the omnic crisis who is currently helping the sick and wounded in areas of need
Mercy is a former Overwatch agent who is an orphan of the omnic crisis who is currently helping the sick and wounded in areas of need
due to their similarities, people think they might have met
cedar galleon
Thats an interesting way of putting it! Similar situation but very different lives because of where they grow
valid shell
Sombra too.
cedar galleon
A lot of lost parents in the roster. Sombra is still with talen though, I dont think she cares too much for the sick and needy
limpid agate
Not explicitly orphans but also noteable are:
Zarya lost her home
Junkrat lost his (but that's Australia and a whole other can of worms)
Symmetra was living on the street (no mention of a family existing)
Lucio had a father (Implied had. Vishkar's fault not Omnic Crisis)
Ashe was neglected by her parents
Winston's father figure Harold was slain
Hammond doesn't really have one?
valid shell
The Shimadas are confirmed fatherless.
valid shell
Dunno if Reinhardt considered Balderich his daddy
limpid agate
That is also ignoring heroes whose parents probably died of age, like the founders
But who knows what the future life expectancy is
Maybe Brig still has grandparents
supple bear
isn't sojiro the father of the shimadas
worthy rose
He had a very unfortunate and untimely death.
supple bear
oh we're talking only alive parents?
I thought we were talking which characters were confirmed to have parents
peak escarp
DVa's dad has also been mentioned in interviews and panels
all the organic heroes have parents
marsh rune
that makes sense
supple bear
where can we find that baptiste QnA thing
worthy rose
First pinned message
supple bear
k thx
dapper shuttle
Hey what do we know about the Carribean Coalition?
dawn halo
Baptise was apart of them at one point.
peak escarp
they're a paramilitary org. formed post crisis
dawn halo
And that too.
And assumed to protect the Carribean from external and internal threats.
Ryu-Ichimonji, is it a katana or an odatchi?
dawn halo
Do we have any official height for Genji? Because odatchi's are hard to unsheathe without significant armspan and height affects the dependant variable {armspan}.
dapper shuttle
DRAGONBLADE
Genji brandishes his katana for a brief period of time. Until he sheathes his sword, Genji can deliver killing strikes to any targets within his reach.
apparently it's a katana
hoary palm
katanas are long though
peak escarp
that's big katana then
knotty crystal
who is stronger in lore
hanzo or genji
i dont watch/read the lore so i dont know shit
peak escarp
currently, I'd say Genji
dapper shuttle
Genji is stronger because he learned to forgive Hanzo.
supple bear
his sword definitely looks like a nodachi/odatchi
knotty crystal
but in that youtube video it said that hanzo killed him once and then genji came back with next gen cyber armor, basically cheating
so in terms of pure skill hanzo is stronger
dapper shuttle
How strong are you if your dead enemies aren't actually dead
peak escarp
when they fought the first time, Hanzo was stronger
dapper shuttle
or enemies.
knotty crystal
I dont understand that logic
he was weak back then
assuming his opponent stayed same all the time?
dawn halo
But from Genji's model, it's relative in height to his body, and a Japanese man has an average height of 172 cm, and katanas are at a blade length 60–73 cm on average.
knotty crystal
hanzo was also weaker and then he improved no?
peak escarp
Hanzo was stronger back then, Genji is stronger now
knotty crystal
with his new armor
dawn halo
Odatchis are longer than katana's, possibly as much or slightly shorter than Genji's height.
knotty crystal
who is strongest in terms of pure power
dapper shuttle
how are we supposed to know
peak escarp
how do you define "pure power"
knotty crystal
I dont know, could 1v1 any other hero?
dawn halo
Mastery over their abilities?
peak escarp
then probably Doomfist
knotty crystal
yeah its a large topic lol
combat skill is doomfist?
doesnt someone like soldier 76 make more sense
peak escarp
it's hard to tell who would win in a battle royale or 1v1 situation
Doomfist is trained in martial arts
dawn halo
Doomfist is a martial artist and has practiced many of them to create his kit in lore.
peak escarp
he would win in a 1v1 no weapons
knotty crystal
isnt his fist a weapon tho?
peak escarp
even without his fist
peak escarp
he punched the OR15s into the airport wall without his fist
dawn halo
It was when Winston was pissed off, zeta.
peak escarp
he punched his way out of jail without his fist
peak escarp
if we're counting non-humans, Winston would be the strongest
even without genetic modifications, a gorilla is way stronger than a human
worthy rose
They probably will, just later
peak escarp
and then omnics would be even stronger than that
so Zenyatta could be the physically strongest hero
knotty crystal
@worthy rose when the game dies? just like angry birds?
dawn halo
Still, we have establish Doomfist is extremely strong for a human, perhaps superhuman in nature.
worthy rose
After the setup of the plot is finished and the Warcraft movie is really forgotten.
Possibly later.
dawn halo
And the gauntlet just amplifies Doomfist's power to throw car doors and graze high rises with them.
knotty crystal
very risky
worthy rose
Yes.
knotty crystal
doomfist looks dope but i find him boring
dawn halo
And even if you don't believe the skyscraper leveling power of the Doomfist, the gauntlet can damage large buildings at least.
worthy rose
Sombra
knotty crystal
oh right sombra
worthy rose
Can't snipe an invisible person that can teleport
knotty crystal
but widow is a sniper
dawn halo
Hacking is OP, especially when theirs no game limitations.
knotty crystal
hunter
worthy rose
And probably hack the scope