but it's not the family Reaper is stalking
#lore-discussion
iron plume
regal coyote
m point is that gay or not it does not matter when it comes to vincent, that chapter is closed.
iron plume
...
icy ether
I guess Hamster has a point
regal coyote
but yes it is not reaper's stalkee
iron plume
no shit
regal coyote
my point is, dont dwell on vincent, he is unlikely to play much point in the plot
it is an ex, and just that
iron plume
we've moved on past vincent before you decided to stir it up again
regal coyote
oops then
that said, however, there is a chance a new reqcruit might be related to vincent
icy ether
lol, yeah i was trying to understand who the fam was XP
regal coyote
that fam is special as said by chu
my guess is that it is related to reaper
reaper had family
iron plume
hot take
the common theory is that it's his ex
but I'm thinking son or daughter with their family
regal coyote
my guess is that he is pulling a "Spawn"
peak escarp
I'd agree with that
icy ether
I'd say Reaper was married to the woman, and ever since "Gabe's Death" She got remarried
icy ether
yep lol
peak escarp
Reaper is 58 - he could easily have a child in their late 20s/early 30s
regal coyote
Sohe is playing "Sadman" and watching over his family
icy ether
watching over his family + the new guy lol
regal coyote
i strongly thin k that is of his family and he is watching over them in his own way
yes gabe's offspring joining ow would be a fun thing
but it would be a plot much later
icy ether
true lol, well I gtg 😛 nice lore talk lol
regal coyote
in wishful thinking, the best chaotic yes meaningful storyline would be gabe's decentant joining ow against talon
and at the same time, vincent's offspring joins talon against ow, the irony
peak escarp
Vincent's family will not be relevant again
spiral timber
what if the next archives event you play as soldier and just hunt and kill vince out of jealousy
regal coyote
no way that would happen
vincent's child being a hero, wishful thinking, they of age now
also interesting to see vincent probably still thinks jack is a hero, despite a different path
hey, breaking up doesnt mean they have to be enemies.
so vincent's child would be hearing jack as a hero
also fits the whole "familywatch" style next gen hero thing
supple bear
I believe there’re a theory stating the adult male is reyes’ son
regal coyote
or the female
most likely his child
come to think of it, his child having a peaceful life, is probably the best thing gabe would have hoped for
he would be the magical "sadman" for his grandchild, where the adults think it is just an imaginary friend
vocal pine
Vincent is gay, I don’t see why he would have a kid unless he and his husband agreed to it.
vocal pine
I wasn’t saying otherwise.
peak escarp
then why mention it?
vocal pine
HamsterMilk brought up Vincent having a kid, and I pointed out why it doesn’t seem logical.
iron plume
how does him being gay affect it
or for that matter why do you presume they didn't agree on it
peak escarp
who's ready for another Q&A that answers all the questions we already have answers to?
supple bear
i really want a hero that can stick to walls
like the one of the first versions of genji
valid terrace
supple bear
is there any word on a hard light india map
I feel like there could be some pretty dope stuff they could do
iron plume
there's no word on any map except possibly Havana
dawn halo
Personally, I have tried some things with hardlight.
Personal BS aside, give Blizzard time and no suspicion for them to create Utopaea or another hardlight heavy Indian city, perhaps New Delhi, perhaps Mumbai...
supple bear
whats the word on this havana map
dawn halo
What word?
iron plume
a poster for Havana is in the Numbani airport on PTR
it appeared there on the Baptiste patch
dawn halo
It could be a hint to this years Archives location.
supple bear
Interesting
limpid agate
Archives or core or arcade
dawn halo
Let's look at the possibilities for it as a core map.
peak escarp
it's a little early for the next core map
but they have hinted at things early before
dawn halo
Regardless, I would like for Havana to have antique cars just like how real Havana is, but with more modern cars due to the technology level in Overwatch.
It keeps what people see most of the time with Havana, it keeps the feel what the city has in real life while modernizing it a bit. Blizzard could go multiple ways with it, but it should still feel Havana despite it being more modern by Overwatch standards.
Also it could like be like a taste of what architecture was like between our modern day Havana and Overwatch modern day Havana.
limpid agate
Since we have French snails and Italian gelato
Im expecting Cuban cigars
In a shop
It didn't really have an international stereotypical cuisine like the others
peak escarp
isn't a Cuban a type of sandwich?
limpid agate
It's as Cuban as Fortune Cookies are Chinese
peak escarp
gotcha
fossil isle
i cant wrap my head around hardlight @_@ all that comes to mind is mass can neither be created nor destroyed
worthy rose
I just imagine that they made some kind of structure that traps a ton of light, so the resulting pressure from photons bouncing around creats the impression of a solid object.
It's the closest thing to making sense of it.
dawn halo
And perhaps it can be programmed to create light when stepped on.
supple stump
hello, I love lore may I join this conversation about it
iron plume
first combat mission as an agent, she was a pilot before
supple stump
oh ok
brisk cobalt
i started overwatch during january of this year ;-;
iron plume
anyway the actual event is called archives
brisk cobalt
yeah
iron plume
and it includes both uprising and retribution as game modes
brisk cobalt
actually?
supple stump
really
brisk cobalt
at the same time?
iron plume
yes
brisk cobalt
also what do u guys play on
iron plume
this is getting very not-lore
brisk cobalt
h e h
supple stump
I mean Zenyatta is better then Genji in lore but might be trash in gameplay.
that all I got
jk I got more
supple stump
ima Zenny Lenny main
iron plume
...still not lore
brisk cobalt
uh
supple stump
anyway
brisk cobalt
lets talka bout lore
supple stump
uhh
brisk cobalt
UhUh
iron plume
you're free to not talk if you don't have anything to add
brisk cobalt
Torb lost an eye and arm during the omnic crisis?
supple stump
Mondatta died from Widow during his big speech, Tracer tried to save him, the end.
iron plume
Torb didn't lose his arm in the crisis
iron plume
he lost it in White Dome, which was an anti-omnic operation after the crisis
supple stump
oh
supple stump
I mean his village was attacked by a DRAGON, didn't add that part, sorry.
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/White_Dome
supple stump
oh
iron plume
aw is there not a page
brisk cobalt
ye
iron plume
!!lorewiki Operation_White_Dome
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Operation_White_Dome
supple stump
WAIT WHAT IS JUNKENSTEIN!?
supple stump
oh
iron plume
it takes place in a story Rein tells the other Overwatch agents
iron plume
arguably yes
supple stump
I HATE REIN! HIS HAMMER TO POWERFUL IF HE GET CLOSE WHICH IS HARD TO DO FIRST OF ALL, SECOND OF ALL HE HAS SOMEONE THAT HAS THE SAME SHIELD, EXCEPT SMALLER AND MORE USELESS!
sorry
iron plume
he left Talon because they were too evil for him
If you have to apologize
You know that you shouldn't do it in the first place
So please don't
supple stump
ok but really he was in talon?
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
supple stump
since when?
iron plume
...since his reveal?
valid shell
Homie he's existed for all of one (1) week.
iron plume
or do you mean in-universe? if so then since he was something like 20 years old
supple stump
in lore not gameplay
iron plume
after serving in what's basically Caribbean's volunteer army
supple stump
I'm already confused
valid shell
He was in Talon from this: https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/016/178/088/large/nesskain-nesskain-owo-bap-1040-joining-talonj.jpg?1551206154
supple stump
wait Baptiste is in Talon? or WAS he, just not anymore?
valid shell
The latter.
lean prawn
Baptiste went rogue
valid shell
He was in Talon until recently-ish.
supple stump
._.
lean prawn
he pulled a reaper but towards talon
valid shell
He joined up when he was younger, thinking they were just a PMC, and then bounced when he eventually wised up to what they were.
@supple stump Have you watched his Origins video?
supple stump
nope
valid shell
Then wtf
supple stump
didn't even know he existed
lean prawn
he's on a one-man mission against talon isn't he?
brisk cobalt
baptise is weak
valid shell
@brisk cobalt Source?
iron plume
he's not on a "one man mission"
he just wants to be left the fuck alone to help heal people
brisk cobalt
His primary
brisk cobalt
h e h
valid shell
Yeah, you sure got us good.
brisk cobalt
mb
valid shell
Well trolled.
iron plume
you've been warned about it
supple stump
wait
brisk cobalt
ill stop dw
supple stump
he's a support?
brisk cobalt
yeah
supple stump
oh my
valid shell
Correct.
dire timber
still not lore
valid shell
You should really do just the base amount of googling before just saying "WAT HAPEN"
"WHO BAPTIS"
"WHAT DO"
"IS GOOD????"
supple stump
I didn't know he existed calm down
iron plume
!!loreonly @supple stump @brisk cobalt
twilit nacelleBOT
@supple stump This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
dire timber
go to #overwatch for gameplay talk
iron plume
the next step is calling the mods, and you don't want that
supple stump
he's new to me
why am I expected to go to a completely different channel for just one question?
supple stump
bruh I just asked what he is
valid shell
"I HATE REIN! HIS HAMMER TO POWERFUL IF HE GET CLOSE WHICH IS HARD TO DO FIRST OF ALL, SECOND OF ALL HE HAS SOMEONE THAT HAS THE SAME SHIELD, EXCEPT SMALLER AND MORE USELESS!"
Homie.
supple stump
it's a response
supple stump
should I leave the server cuz I feel just one human response or comment outside of the topic which wasn't even here at the time is a bad click
iron plume
once is a mistake
twice is a pattern
valid shell
It's not hard.
Just don't talk about non-lore in the lore channel.
"Buh-buh-buh-but #general-discussion moves so fast that nobody sees my hilarious quips!"
That doesn't make it okay to interject them here.
supple stump
-_- fine looks like I'm restricted to even make a tiny little comparison but OK I'll stop
dire timber
that all caps message was anything but tiny
valid shell
You fucked up twice. Take your lumps and stop.
iron plume
and that response indicates you still don't know what you've done wrong
supple stump
fine looks like everything I say or do is a mistake 🤔 🔫
iron plume
so does this one
dire timber
quit it with the self-pity, please
dire timber
if you wanna just chat, go to #general-discussion
if you wanna talk gameplay, go to #overwatch
if you wanna talk about the lore, stay here
it's not complicated
valid shell
This server has over 30,000 people online. It's gotta be segregated bruv
supple stump
welp bye, one little turn is un-repairable
valid shell
Peace.
iron plume
certainly not with that attitude it isn't
valid shell
Anyways, moving on.
dire timber
I do think we could use a better channel setup, honestly
I've posted my suggestions a while back, but nothing came of it
supple bear
Ok real lore question
valid shell
Shoot.
supple bear
Is there any info surrounding the Ministries of Oasis?
dire timber
not much, but we do know that some of the Ministers are likely to be Oasis' founders
and that Moira is the Minister of Genetics
I think there's a full list of ministries mentioned somewhere
valid shell
Minister of Genetics Moira O'Deorain
Minister of Geology Anya Al-Shahrani
Youssef al-Jabiri
Mehmet Farhat
Ibrahim Hassoun
One of these names is not like the other.
iron plume
!!lorewiki Oasis has a list
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Oasis
iron plume
presumably the founders are all Arabic, while moira is a more recent join
dire timber
there's also the position of "Minister of Engineering", but Junkrat could've made that up
valid shell
Option 4: Both.
supple bear
...
worthy rose
The Shambali are the group of omnic monks, right?
limpid agate
Is Zen a group? A religion? A school? A principle?
lean prawn
would Zenyatta be an Iris monk or a Shambali monk?
limpid agate
Iris is not the name of the religion
worthy rose
ex-shambali monk, I think
limpid agate
He was part of the Shambali order
worthy rose
I don't think we have a name for the religion though
dire timber
Shambali is a religious order that the monks belong to
casual followers are simply referred to as, you know, Shambali followers
and the Iris is the subject of their faith
tawny orbit
iron plume
this is a lore discussion channel
peak escarp
that's something a lot of people forget
Zenyatta is ex-Shambali
I mean, he probably still follows the faith
he does still live in Nepal as well, just farther down the mountain (assuming the layout from the map is accurate)
desert yacht
kinda reminds me of moira and that wouldn't be too far off because he's in talon but i heavily doubt that that's the case
supple bear
Interesting, something to do with Caribbean Coalition maybe?
valid shell
@desert yacht How so?
peak escarp
maybe it's his wife 👀
iron plume
some depictions of Maman Brigitte are pretty close
peak escarp
hmm
dapper shuttle
looks like a voodoo witch
iron plume
Maman Brigitte is a voodoo goddess of life and death
dapper shuttle
Maman Brigitte is the only white voodoo god, she likes to drink chili pepper juice and her breath is spicy
the woman on the tatoo looks like she's exhaling something
iron plume
hot
dapper shuttle
yeah my bad
iron plume
no i mean like
nvm
peak escarp
lol
dapper shuttle
oh, double my bad
desert yacht
the tattoo just looks like moira to me
peak escarp
because Moira is well known for her long hair
desert yacht
i didn't see it as hair at first, i saw it more as her fade
i thought the only hair was the hair on top of the tattoo's head at first
it's probably his wife as you said
valid shell
Baptiste doesn't have a wife atm.
worthy rose
Do we know? It didn't say anything in the trailer.
supple bear
Just cause we don't know doesn't mean we can just assume no
Also do you pronounce the p in baptiste or not?
There's so much input from both sides, I'm confused as hell
Did anyone here take or know french?
valid shell
@supple bear Jeff says Batise.
peak escarp
Twitter
supple bear
uhhhh
peak escarp
it depends who you want to trust
supple bear
this is exactly wut i mean by the multiple inputs
peak escarp
we haven't heard Baptiste himself say it yet, have we?
however he says it is how I'll say it
supple bear
There's literally a guy a few tweets down claiming to have the same name, and he says the p is silent...
Who knows?
It'll be another brigitte situation where people will give him like 5 different names
timid eagle
I think it will be funny if the next hero has an incredibly simple name to pronounce, it will just be the community failing to pronounce it correctly again.
timid eagle
I heard some players mis-pronounced Ashe as 'Ass', 'Ash'd', 'Aesh', and my personal favourite, 'eh-sd'.
So, I'd assume that the fan base are either idiots or are suffering from word crimes.
ornate wigeon
That... is painful
supple bear
@ornate wigeon yeah that's incredibly sad
ornate wigeon
I also main Ashe, so it hurts more
light osprey
😦
keen swift
:ricardo1: :ricardo2:
:ricardo3: :ricardo4:
fallen bramble
I can understand how p can be silent but i dont think most people will read it correctly
Which is what usually happens
dense estuary
I have always said the name Ashe the same way as I would pronounce the stuff at the bottom of a fireplace aka Ash.
floral flint
Even though Baptiste is pronounced batiste or bap teest, I’m still gonna call it the way Andrew JRT did
fallen bramble
Remind me how he called him?
I know bro you wack called him baptista
Cant remember how andrew called him
cedar galleon
You know someone is out there saying bap-tie-st
long ermine
Ba Teest
long ermine
you thought wrong
cedar galleon
What a dummy
floral flint
Reminds me of when brig came and everyone was figuring how to pronounce her name
cedar galleon
Bridge-it
tepid mulch
brig-E-ta Lind-holm
lean prawn
she-torb
tepid mulch
^^^
hoary nebula
@dire timber you said something earlier. Yeah he was on Talon but left. The heros who have Talon skins are still in talon and i think Baptise should not get one because he left.
tawny patio
Why not just listen to dialogue interactions when he is released tbh
That’s how I learned Brig’s name
hoary nebula
||hey hey want is you favorite back story?||
peak escarp
@hoary nebula but this is the first time we've had an ex-Talon member. All of the ex-Overwatch members have Overwatch skins, so why not do the same for Talon?
hoary nebula
Himmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
let me think on that. But wait what ex- overwatch members do we have?
peak escarp
Ana, Mei, Mercy,Reinhardt, Reaper, Soldier, Tracer
hoary nebula
Wow really I totally forgot .... lol\
worthy rose
All of them have normal Overwatch skins
hoary nebula
Wait no they reformed Overwatch\
peak escarp
not all of them have gone back
Ana and Soldier are thought to be dead
Mercy hasn't answered the recall
Torbjorn and Genji are implied to have answered but we don't have confirmation
right now new Overwatch is Winston, Tracer, Mei, Reinhardt (and Brigitte probably)
hoary nebula
Ok but what I think is that because part of Baptises story is that he left Talon , so he wont have a Talon skin. That is just what I think so we will have to wait I guess
hoary nebula
Well she was thought to be dead and kept her title
peak escarp
Mercy left Overwatch, she still has Combat Medic Zeigler
hoary nebula
ok fine I have to go bye
round path
maybe they'll release a Baptise talon skin on the anniversary event?
iron plume
it will be archives if they do
peak escarp
it could be part of his launch skins
Talon, with a recolour that's Caribbean Coalition
iron plume
hm maybe
tepid mulch
^
tepid mulch
both what?
supple bear
The talon skin and the Caribbean coalition skin
peak escarp
probably
supple bear
If they decide to only release one, I’d prefer the talon one
tepid mulch
i thought his base skin was the carrabian coalaition
peak escarp
if it was me, I'd put the Caribbean Coalition skin in his base legendaries (or an epic?) and give him a Talon skin for Archives
tepid mulch
or do you mean you baptiste and his old uniform
grand nimbus
he got banned fast.
tepid mulch
XD
supple bear
Yeah wtf was that....
tepid mulch
prob a troll
supple bear
Gonna have to bleach my eyes now
supple bear
I dunno but that hair style is dope
tepid mulch
yea his killmonger esc hair is dope
tepid mulch
XD
i wonder
if they make young carrabian coalation skin
would a talon skin be its counterpart?
they would have the same head model
supple bear
Hmmm
tepid mulch
hmmm indeed
supple bear
Would the talon skin have the helmet on?
tepid mulch
no
then it would just be the solder from last years archives
but with different gun
regal coyote
^^ this seems to be a semi lore skin?
someone claim this skin's birdie is called Pepe and is a common thing in wow
supple bear
But some people might like the look of the soldiers from retribution, so maybe blizz will make a skin for it that you can use year round
regal coyote
also this is happening, so regure LORE PEOPLE please check this https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/baptiste-developer-q-a/313769/3
supple bear
They did the same for uprising bastion and Orisa
tepid mulch
i guess
regal coyote
well people use witch mercy all year round
tepid mulch
but making a talon skin without the helmet would seem more apealing
not to mention the dope ass hair
supple bear
But like you said it would be too similar to a coalition skin
Also note that the coalition skin is hypothetical
tepid mulch
no the head model could just be copy paste
supple bear
We don’t even know if we’re getting that
supple bear
I feel like they would want the whole skin to be unique not just the suit
tepid mulch
i mean young ana and captain amari are essentally the same model with different textures
iron plume
they would be able to make different head models
that's because they're a retexture of each other
all release skins are in pairs
tepid mulch
ik
iron plume
but so far none of the event skins have been a retexture of a release legendary
dawn sand
I do like how they reference the conflict between characters in the game. I know this is smallish in lore but its nice that its noted.
tepid mulch
^
peak escarp
people would outrage if they gave us a base legendary retexture as an event legendary
dawn sand
If you kill widowmaker as ana she mocks her line "One shot one kill"
If you kill Pharah as widowmaker "Like mother like daughter"
Awesome
This isnt deep ill admit. But its good that its noted
peak escarp
my favourite kill like is Widowmaker eliminating McCree or Soldier or Ashe
iron plume
oh god yes
tepid mulch
what does she say then?
i dont play widow
iron plume
sigh Americans...
tepid mulch
XD YES
mellow cliff
lmao
round path
thats hilarious
tepid mulch
^
peak escarp
actually I don't know if they added it for Ashe elims
dawn sand
Oh yeah speaking of which. Have you noticed Mcree is wearing the traditional good guy hat while ashe wears the traditional bad guy hat?
peak escarp
but I know it plays for McCree/Soldier
tepid mulch
why are there so many characters that have no affiliation with OW or talon
like lucio, sym, ashe
iron plume
because the world of overwatch is more than those two factions
dawn sand
The main reason is they probably work with either side for a goal
peak escarp
it makes the world feel bigger than just Overwatch vs. Talon
supple bear
The other factions make the story more interesting
tepid mulch
i guess...it just kinda seems pointless to have them lore wise sometimes
dawn sand
Honestly if you ask me. Remember when we saw Doomfist rip apart Tracer's zoomer? Or whatever they call it
Yikes
Damn. I wish they showed the full fight there on how he got to prison
peak escarp
some of them may join either new Overwatch or Talon in the future
tepid mulch
her quantum accelerator ?
peak escarp
chronal accelerator
dawn sand
But anyways
peak escarp
zoomer 😂
dawn sand
From what we know. Mcree doesnt seem to be on a side yet
peak escarp
I'm gonna call it that
dawn sand
Ik hes been in OW in the past
tepid mulch
zoomer
dawn sand
But he stated he has business to deal with
peak escarp
he seems like he will return to Overwatch, but not just yet, so he sent Echo to them in his place
peak escarp
he has other business to take care of first
supple bear
What do you guys think will happen to the lucio sym rivalry
I think lucio will join overwatch and sym will join talon along side her boss at vishkar
dawn sand
Wait they're rivals?
supple bear
Yeah
dawn sand
Sym is symmetra right?
iron plume
they're not rivals, they haven't even met
supple bear
They have multiple voice lines clearly putting it out there that they don’t like each either
iron plume
Lucio is at odds with Vishkar, but hasn't had any personal dealings with Symm
peak escarp
they're rivals in the sense that they're on opposite sides, but they haven't met
iron plume
voice lines aren't canon existing interactions
peak escarp
the voice lines just show that if they did meet they would not get along
iron plume
obviously they have different world views
but that doesn't make them rivals
dawn sand
Honestly
The one that surprised me was sombra
She didnt care about anyone
If you were in her way
Goodbye
supple bear
Also is lucios father dead or alive
the only exposure we've gotten is that he made the sonic tech
that lucio uses
and that he works at vishkar
supple bear
Wonder if he'll be a hero eventually
peak escarp
they mostly bicker about whether Vishkar is right or wrong, and about Lucio being a thief
supple bear
🤔
dawn sand
HMMM
dawn sand
One thing to be sure
Reaper is an evil dude..well obviously he is
But i mean. None of them have remorse at all
I like that they did that Especially when it contrasts to the art style
supple bear
That last quote says some stuff about Vishkar's vision?
What exactly is their vision?
round path
Lucios father worked with Vishkar 
im not sure what their vision is
i think its in the comics but i cant remember :/
peak escarp
Vishkar's vision is for order and uniformity
Lucio thinks everyone following rules and being told what to do is oppressive
order brings stability, which is beneficial to poorer areas - but that's also known as gentrification and takes away a lot of the freedom and character of the neighbourhood
whether that's good or bad depends on your perspective
iron plume
the big problem with gentrification isn't so much the freedom and character as the fact that it drives away the poor people with higher price of living
Vishkar have a very specific version of it though
peak escarp
we don't know much about their motives - they could be completely altruistic and actually be doing it to make a better world for those people (as Symmetra has been led to believe)
supple bear
right, but the head of vishkar is secretly with talon correct?
peak escarp
we don't know if Sanjay is the head of Vishkar, or if he's just Symmetra's handler
I'd like to find out more about Vishkar
winter gale
There’s no definitive proof that Sanjay is in fact part of Vishkar, all we know is that he went to the same university as Symmetra (correct me if I’m wrong)
And we can assume that he possesses knowledge on the hard light technology and using it to aid in achieving Talon’s goals
iron plume
...what
peak escarp
well he was seen communicating on behalf of Vishkar to the mayor of Rio
I'd say that's pretty conclusive
iron plume
we've literally seen him give orders to symm
and talk as a representative
limpid agate
Employee, CEO, something
But he is 100% part of Vishkar
With a position higher than Symmetra
regal coyote
Vishkar is definitely on the oppressive side, but they do bring benefits and order
so people do get cared for under their control
and likely much better than sweatshops
they do impose things like curfew on the other side
OH, remember to check the bapteest thread for if there is new lore and info
peak escarp
they're going to post the answers in a post later
peak escarp
like they did with Brigitte
regal coyote
yes
peak escarp
they aren't going to answer in the thread
fossil isle
huh Vishkar did make significant positive impacts in India. but the way they treated Rio was far from benefit and order though. They exploited folks for cheap labor and enforced curfews and strict law and order policies.
hopefully they get their act together. it might be interesting to see a Tank or Healer using hardlight
iron plume
it's a fairly safe bet they did the same in india
they just encountered less resistance
or less successful resistance either way
regal coyote
still probably better for people of some places unfortunately
i mean at least they do bring basic utility and enough food and medicals.
supple bear
I know there's some theories for Sanjay to be a tank
with his armor being made of hard light
some concepts even have him as the second hero with a mech
lean prawn
hammond has a mech tho
supple bear
No, like a dva mech type thing
supple bear
so to kill him you would have to de mech him, then kill a "mini sanjay"
limpid agate
You have 5 other heroes who are already mech pilots to choose from
limpid agate
Overlord
fossil isle
oooh i want the whole MEKA team
peak escarp
I don't really want any of them as playable heroes, but I'd love to see more lore with them in it
supple bear
Her mech is basically a giant bruiser mech
fossil isle
maybe a Tank/Healer hybrid
peak escarp
and find out more about Casino's background
limpid agate
Her mech is just Brigitte
fossil isle
k fair
supple bear
lol
limpid agate
Overlord is interesting for gameplay.
King is interesting for artillery weapon type.
Casino is interesting for story.
D.Mon is just popular because girl.
peak escarp
learning more about D.Mon would give us more on D.Va, since they were in the same guild/team
peak escarp
true
supple bear
Guild?
fossil isle
isnt MEKA just one of the OWL teams? lol jk jk they all Korean gamers das why
Overlord id like to see! Isn't his MEKA levitating instead of bipedal?
limpid agate
Gamer guild. You know, like in WoW
supple bear
ahh
fossil isle
id be down
Overlord ==> healer/tank. REPAIR DRONES. could be an ult ability? each teammate gets their own repair drone that heals them for like 10 seconds?
idk
limpid agate
You dont want a healer tank
fossil isle
might be fun
supple bear
is brig still considered a tank healer hybrid?
limpid agate
And look how that turned out
dapper shuttle
Better pic of baptiste's tattoo if someone needs
:O
Wait i can post pics now?
limpid agate
Correct.
fossil isle
ooh
dapper shuttle
anyone can?
limpid agate
No.
iron plume
so, considering it's called Goddess, it's pretty certain that it's Maman Brigitte right
and the pictures (and bot commands) are provided to the upstanding members of the lore community and also me
peak escarp
it doesn't really match the typical depictions of Maman Brigitte though
the tattoo has a third eye
supple bear
...
iron plume
edgy
supple bear
no response
peak escarp
I was going to say "maybe the Baptiste Q&A will give us an answer" but we all know that's not going to happen
the Q&A is for the casuals
supple bear
I hear that Baptistes legendary skins have been revealed
peak escarp
yep, all his cosmetics are on PTR
he's got some fun references in his sprays and voice lines
fallen bramble
Is there a site or something where i can check em out?
peak escarp
there's a few youtube videos talking about them
fallen bramble
Alright
supple bear
So what’s the deal with the little thing that projects his amplification matrix
dapper shuttle
When he respawns he says "Someone's looking out for me"
as if Baron Samedi himself was protecting him
but it could it his wife Brigitte
supple bear
It’s featured in one of his emotes
I believe it’s called scout
Can that thing actually scout or is it just for theatrical purposes
dapper shuttle
https://imgur.com/MEMevdS logo of the carribean coallition, apparently his OPS skin is canon?
iron plume
pmc is definitely private military contractor here
this is a modern calladuty kind of skin
dapper shuttle
G.Corp I think?
iron plume
i think that's an s
dapper shuttle
but could also be an S
dapper shuttle
https://imgur.com/Emp68w1 and on his chest
peak escarp
that makes sense
dapper shuttle
cool, a new faction
dove with an olive branch on his epic skin https://imgur.com/mWj2AVp
dawn halo
The scorpion one?
dapper shuttle
yes
complete with a sexy sexy barcode I won't bother to post since it doesn't scan
they're keeping traditions alive, i'm happy
dawn halo
I saw a discussion regarding the other four pilots apart of D.Va's squad, and it gives an idea for a spin off centering around them.
It was almost two hours ago on this channel.
This is like the Operation Flashpoint formula of gameplay, but you are in the shoes of Myung, the squad's NCO, or one of the pilots, and this is kinda a big game from what I'm going to say.
You have to protect the area of Korea you are assigned to, defeating the Gwisin, doing PR, commanding stuff, etc.
At times, depending on your position, you would have to make the hard decision of sending them into the field to engage the Gwisin, (Myung), Making the point of attack, (NCO), or working with your teamates to defeat the threat, (Pilots).
I can go on about it, but this is one thing that would happen in my spin off idea.
tepid mulch
i think OW could benefit from a story mode other than just archives
lean prawn
i can see a story mode cropping up some time after the recall phase of the lore is over
dawn halo
But it can also benefit from spin off's if Blizzard wants to go that route, like have spin off games specific to certain characters and use that to expand the lore, however keep the OW writing team when it comes to certain things to keep continunity with the main game and possibly other spin off's depending on what is done.
tepid mulch
i can see that happening
lean prawn
right now we're seeing heroes answer recall, what they're doing on their own, and the past
a story mode would be cool during the 'everyone chooses a side' phase of the lore
tepid mulch
i guess
lean prawn
i think archives is a suitable story mode for this phase of the lore imo
tepid mulch
but the game is dieing fanbase wise so if blizzard is going to make it they should start working on it soon
lean prawn
unfortunately, lore doesn't seem to be the focus on the team right now, with owl on full steam
tepid mulch
which is sad
dawn halo
Would OWL die out?
lean prawn
they're dripfeeding us the lore too, and a lot of it is in comics and stories that the common playerbase isn't too interested in
iron plume
where are you getting "the game is dying" from except for clickbait youtubers
tepid mulch
they've been doing that since the beginning
iron plume
and the common playerbase wouldn't be interested in lore either way
peak escarp
the lore isn't for them
lean prawn
unless it involved an in-game campaign, at least
peak escarp
they just want to play a shooter game
dawn halo
The lore is for people like us.
tepid mulch
i wish OW didnt have such a heavy competitive focus
lean prawn
it makes a ton of money
devout sable
by the way, checked out some of my older reddit posts
guess who called it 10 months ago
😄
peak escarp
hasn't been confirmed yet
supple bear
@lean prawn yeah I wish they would cut the shit and just give us lore at a faster pace
dawn halo
What would an Overwatch spin off bring to the table, as long as OW's writing staff keeps the spin off's possible lore having mutual continuity with the main game/lore.
dapper shuttle
You don't make spin offs for a universe you've barely started to explore, do you?
dawn halo
It could be used as a way to expand upon the lore in better detail compared to comics, Archives, and other media.
dapper shuttle
We can see in the Baptiste tease that Sombra was hacking into Talon's archives so, they do have archives of past missions and that's why we can expect Archives to be a Talon mission. Archives is all about Sombra trying to find dirt on organizations, makes sense that she would eventually come around to find some on Talon
fossil isle
do we even have a story for Zarya yet?
white cobalt
about her? her bio in OW page, comic is Searching https://comic.playoverwatch.com/en-us/zarya-searching
fossil isle
ah i havent seen them.
supple bear
Who would you guys say are the most underdeveloped characters in the game
slow goblet
Zenyatta and Lucio (and Baptise, but he has about the same as those two and he’s new while those two have been around since the start)
peak escarp
Baptiste has more than Zen and Lucio
fossil isle
underdeveloped as in story? or kit?
peak escarp
the hero with the least lore is Zenyatta
he only has his bio and a cameo in Reflections
Lucio has his bio and an article about his world tour
Baptiste has his bio, the Cuerva letter, and his origin trailer
slow goblet
Zen’s lore section is... depressingly small. I’m not a big Zen guy but give him some dang lore.
peak escarp
and most of his bio isn't even about Zen, it's about the Shambali
worthy rose
Giving the dude who died in one of the first trailers some background
supple bear
@fossil isle I was referring to lore
iron shore
imagine how cool it would be to have an overwatch campaign/story mode that would swap between hereos, giving more depth to their backstories
quasi onyx
O V E R W A T C H 2
remember in 2016 when gaming for the future seemed bright
overwatch remembers
valid shell
@quasi onyx ?
fossil isle
i wanna play all the events with other heroes :P....I wanna play Lucio ball as a Symmetra! Teleporter relay!!
I wanna play Mei's snow thing as D.VA
quasi onyx
@valid shell ?
valid shell
Not the channel for this discussion.
quasi onyx
alrighty
ill keep it lore only
can we talk about the lore about soldier 76 being gay
i wonder if he ever got into hanzo
valid shell
Sure.
quasi onyx
xD
quasi onyx
true enough
valid shell
I doubt he knows he exists.
quasi onyx
what about gabe then
quasi onyx
THIS IS MY CURSE
valid shell
What are you doing?
valid shell
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
valid shell
Go to #general-discussion if you just wanna make tasteless jokes.
valid shell
It's vomiting with your fingers when you don't have anything to actually contribute.
So stop.
quasi onyx
that makes no sense to me
white cobalt
No, move to #general-discussion instead wasting time here
valid shell
How the fuck do you think "LOL JACK AND GABE HAD BUT SEX XD XD" is lore-related?
Are you serious.
quasi onyx
well soldier is gay right? thats part of his lore
and he knew gabe pretty well
whose to say it didn't happen
its all speculation
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
limpid agate
@quasi onyx A shitpost is a post that is shit
peak escarp
just because someone is gay and has male friends doesn't mean they must have had a sexual relationship
limpid agate
If it does not contribute to Serious discussion strictly related to lore
It has no bearing here.
fossil isle
i think he was referring to the way you said it. You could've said "Soldier is gay. We don't know Reyes is straight. I speculate they may have had some form of romantic or intimate relationship". Instead of what you said @quasi onyx
valid shell
Not being a fucking moron, yes.
fossil isle
but on that note, I don't think that's the case. I don't think they've ever really been close friends either.
quasi onyx
i mean they did act together from different sides of the same coin
they must have some interaction. even if it was forced
peak escarp
Reyes also had a family
valid shell
Ech.
fossil isle
well yeah. mission briefings and all that. i dont get the intimacy vibe from them though. although not sure if Blizzard wants to clarify on that. Also when I read reflections, I saw Reaper stalking a family. My first thought was it was his wife remarried and son recognizing a new father figure
and hes just stalking them during Christmas time to check up on them???? idk
peak escarp
and since Jack and Gabe were made out to be such opposites, I don't think Gabe will be revealed as gay as well
quasi onyx
i mean like an actual animated one
valid shell
We've had three.
supple bear
@quasi onyx r u a troll
quasi onyx
no
im really behind then
because the only thing related to gave i know of is in the comics and the archives event
gabe*
peak escarp
Reaper has been in the Cinematic Trailer, Recall and Infiltration
quasi onyx
right i was meaning his own cinematic
peak escarp
they're not really about him, but he's in them
quasi onyx
like, backstory cinematic
peak escarp
I would like to see a cinematic about him
quasi onyx
id like to know what moira did to him to make him so messed up
supple bear
don't we already know that
She messed with his cell structure or something along those lines
quasi onyx
right, but what exactly his disposition became after that
it almost seems like he's serving a higher power
supple bear
what do you mean "higher power"
worthy rose
Talon, possibly.
quasi onyx
yeah i dont mean a god or anything
supple bear
he is serving talon if that's what your asking
quasi onyx
it just seems like since he became that way, he keeps mentioning he wants to find the people who did this to him, i.e. memebers of OW, but he almost acts like it will bring him some kind of redemption
supple bear
Not sure that Talon=higher power tho
worthy rose
While in blackwatch?
It's debatable when he joined Talon, although I suspect he is one of the founders.
supple bear
Not sure what your referring to, but I'm not getting those vibes
quasi onyx
just some of the in game quotes i guess
though im pretty sure the in game stuff is seperate anyways
supple bear
My view on Reyes is that he got salty that Soldier became commander
valid shell
Nah.
supple bear
So he wanted to turn against Overwatch
valid shell
Reyes didn't want the position.
supple bear
?
quasi onyx
so what makes him hate OW so much
he willingly chose to let moira fuck with his dna
so its not like they really turned him into what he is currently
supple bear
Didn't their relationship get farther and farther after Soldier got promoted to commander
valid shell
quasi onyx
maybe morrison betrayed him
did something damning to gabe, related to his family possibly?
worthy rose
Reyes was more maverick-y after Moira doing things, leading to him acting impulsively and shooting Antonio.
supple bear
So he was too roguish so they put him in command of a smaller unit
That being Blackwatch
supple bear
So back to @quasi onyx question: Why did Reyes allow Moira to use him as a test subject?
quasi onyx
possibly reyes was looking for a way to end the way quicker? moira had under the table stuff she wanted to try but was obviously not allowed so they may have done it behind closed doors with shared interest
supple bear
Moira definitely did that stuff under the table
I believe that's stated in the her Origin video
peak escarp
he sought out Moira because he had some "genetics issues" he needed help with (which was mentioned at the Blizzcon 2017 panel)
he probably let her work on him because he thought she would cure his problem - but instead she made him into a wraith monster
supple bear
The origins vid states some stuff about her experiments being unethical, so Overwatch tried to silence her
Also moira advanced reapers wraith form, which became her fade ability right?
supple bear
FeelsBadMan
peak escarp
please don't be going where I think you're going
dapper shuttle
wouldn't it explain why that guy had zero reaction to seeing his boss get dieded?
peak escarp
you know what also explains it? comedy
dapper shuttle
True, perhaps it's there to emphatize that Antonio wasn't very popular within Talon
I like that you already knew what I was implying just with a picture, shows you know me too well
dapper shuttle
yop yop yop 100%
peak escarp
||as dead as Harold Winston||
dapper shuttle
don't talk to me or my headcanon ever again
peak escarp
😂
opaque ice
as dead as a genji asking for heals
peak escarp
but anyway
it seems like Baptiste was a lieutenant in Talon
also I'll be very disappointed if we don't get that skin next month
valid shell
Yeah, they said he was an officer.
dapper shuttle
Nice map background
valid shell
@peak escarp We'll get it for Retribution.
dapper shuttle
Baptiste has no voiceline for looking through the telescope
Wait wait wait, if I can send pictures, does it mean I can send .ogg sound files in here too?
peak escarp
probably
peak escarp
do you have his telescope line?
dapper shuttle
Oh no, can't extract PTR game files
peak escarp
ah
supple bear
@dapper shuttle what audio is that?
dapper shuttle
Police woman announcer in Paris
supple bear
ah
Would y'alls advise to save credits until archives to see if we get a baptiste talon skin?
dapper shuttle
He's 100% getting one
supple bear
Most likely unless Jeff Kaplan and the bois decide to be assholes
supple bear
nice
peak escarp
sudden thought crossed my brain
Baptiste should get the Carlton Dance for Anniversary
winter gale
Perhaps
dapper shuttle
https://imgur.com/pyTRnKM The kraken from his SPEC OPS skin, the one with the logo of the carribean coallition is a player icon, kraken could be important
iron plume
might be the codename
fringe blade
Was it Bob who took off Mcree's arm?
Because I remember that Ashe says something like 'I will rebuild BOB and have him rip off your other arm'
iron plume
no, he still had it in blackwatch at some point
ashe is just threatening and trying to push mccree's buttons
peak escarp
Twitter
peak escarp
because ripping off the missing arm wouldn't do much?
fringe blade
True
inner nexus
dawn halo
B.O.B vs Bastion.
timid eagle
I’m surprised that I want to unlock all of his voice lines. The “Oh, THAN YOU, Batistce!” voice line had me in stitches.
supple bear
Those highlight intros had me shook
heady ginkgo
tall geyser
@worthy rose This is a serious discussion channel
prisma wren
wait are cosmetics for baptiste out?
iron plume
yes
supple bear
indeed they are
ivory latch
hi
worthy rose
Can someone tell me how widow maker’s husband died?
desert yacht
she killed em
worthy rose
I believe it was suffocated with a pillow. She had been captured by a Talon raid and was rescued, but she had been basically brainwashed into being a sleeper agent.
Wowwww, I asked because I got a new spray that’s her wedding photo
And I remember Ana telling her stuff about him
limpid agate
We dont know how specifically
Just that she killed him in his sleep
Probably suffocation
worthy rose
I thought I read it somewhere... I'm probably wrong though
peak escarp
it would make sense
considering she killed him before she had any combat training, so it's unlikely she would have shot or stabbed him
dapper shuttle
She has a poison mine, it might have been poison in his drink before bed, we just don't know but I don't see her killing him in a violent way
worthy rose
Oh dang so many stuff
fringe blade
My life is a lie. I just found out that the right way to spell it is 'McCree' not 'Mcree'
worthy rose
Matthew Mercer is the reincarnation of jesus
modern ether
||Get off my swamp!||
devout sable
here's what Baptiste's Talon skin is most likely to look like
that said, the actual skin could some with some subtle differences
like Moira's beret on her Blackwatch skin
fallen bramble
I like that red visor
supple bear
I wonder what kind of tech his immortality field uses
cunning ledge
I wonder if it even exists
gaunt snow
X to doubt