eh, true, but the present's always influenced by the past
#lore-discussion
reef dagger
reef dagger
I'm sort of expecting him to get a 'heroes never die' line, given that he can literally prevent heroes from dying.
hallow basin
last inlet
Heroes cannot die
iron plume
fair, but we haven't seen the France situation back then
reef dagger
It'll be nice to get more insight into his character as more content and voice lines are released for him
iron plume
yeah I'd love some interactions
I like the mercy point brought up earlier
Think she'd like what he's doing now
hm
his story arc is like supercharged mercy
reef dagger
He really seems to have a lot of crossover with Ana in a lot of ways. Like, they aren't really doctors, they serve different tactical roles, but they use their tools to convert their abilities into support and healing roles.
Like, Ana wasn't a medic until she got a lot of fancy toys and drugs.
iron plume
Lost parents in the Crisis or its aftermath, joined a military group, used their medical skill to help it, ultimately left and now regret being in them, go around helping people
Ana still isn't a medic really
we've seen her mention she's bad at it in Bastet
she just has a healing gun and can shoot it well
Baptiste is a trained medic even if he's not a doctor like Mercy
reef dagger
Kinda seems more like a designated marksman or even a grenadier. I mean, in the pre-launch teaser material we got, it was noted that he was something of a crack shot
iron plume
yeah, he's good at shooting
reef dagger
(teasing his more tactically-oriented burst-fire weapon)
iron plume
but that's not why he's a medic
as opposed to ana who was always and still is a sniper, just one that has a healing rifle now
like, Ana would be near useless going around refugee/war victims camps trying to patch them up
whereas it's what Mercy and Baptiste do now
last inlet
They said straight out that he was a combat medic in his Talon days, so he's been doing medical work for a while
iron plume
yep
reef dagger
He was healin' the wrong crowd
His weapon has a foregrip...
Ugh, whatever, I'm not going to question it
last inlet
C'mon scifi setting
iron plume
i mean it still has a big fuckoff grenade launcher
you'd need to be able to hold on to it even if the primary fire is small caliber
reef dagger
True.
I mean, I'd argue it would make more sense if it looked more like the OICW, but then that's basically Widowmaker's gun, in all its bulky glory
Come to think of it, the Talon goons in Retribution use burst-fire hitscan weapons
Hm, I wonder if that's intentional
regal coyote
more like deliberate
also combat medic makes sense if his original training was anti-omnic
i mean there is no medic on the omnic side most likely, so chances are the whole "do no harm" and medic immmunity thing does not apply in omnic war
so yeah omnic shooting things would be the norm.
even for characters who can heal for real in lore would not be able to fix omnic, just saying. omnic would require something else that is different from bio healing alltogether
peak escarp
just because we got a France map is no reason to expect the next hero to be from France
regal coyote
^^
peak escarp
I don't think we've ever gotten a hero related to the most recent map
regal coyote
esp since we have at least one person from real france
cinder briar
but widowmaker needs a bud
peak escarp
she has Sombra, isn't that enough?
regal coyote
i would say she needs a pet
but that is a whole different story
yes in lore not in game obviously
dense estuary
despite her spider theme, I for whatever reason picture her liking cats
worthy rose
vocal pine
Her venom mines are her pets. I like to think she has names for them.
worthy rose
That's probably why
granite cosmos
does widow like reaper i think she does?!?
worthy rose
She works with him, she has seemingly no emotion besides like sorrow from killing her husband
worthy rose
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worthy rose
Essentially, yes.
limpid agate
@granite cosmos She was conditioned to become the perfect assassin, loyal and hollow, only feeling truly alive at the moment of the kill.
@worthy rose There isnt much to suggest that she feels sorrow for killing her husband.
The interactions and Reflections seem to suggest that she feels more regret that he is dead and that she respects his memory, but no regret that she took his life
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes
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tepid mulch
thnx
worthy rose
Yea that's what I meant, sorrow that he is dead but you got it the gist i mean
novel shell
mercy is from argentina
iron plume
less shitposting please
novel shell
sorry
fossil isle
can anyone explain to me how Mercy's staff works IRL? Or at least outside an Overwatch game match setting (suspend your disbelief here and pretend that OW science is currently real and possible). Or for that matter any healing ability.
Like Moira's healing pee stream or Mercy's staff. It's not like a doctor can just fire a stream from a staff. im pretty sure wounds and cuts and bruises need time to heal. does her staff contain those medical nanites? why not carry a pump?
worthy rose
there is nothing in real life that is a 1-1 comparison to mercy's healing beam or damage boost
tepid mulch
the most i could tell you is check the site
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/mercy/
peak escarp
I assume their healing (Mercy, Moira, Ana and Soldier, since they're all derived from the same source) provides the target with nanoparticles that assist with the body's natural healing process and makes them heal faster
but the science in Overwatch is all soft pseudoscience that can't really be explained, so that's the best you'll get
Brigitte and Lucio don't actually heal people, they just inspire people to keep pushing on past their injuries
Zenyatta's healing also seems more psychological than physical
Baptiste's biotic grenades might also be derived from Mercy's invention
odd dagger
the bullets/ grenades resemble anas shots
peak escarp
yeah
dire timber
@limpid agate I think the conditioning wasn't as extensive at first
back when she was sent to kill Gerard
I think that at that time, she was genuinely unaware of what happened to her
and that only later on, she felt an impulse to kill him, an impulse that she acted on
peak escarp
the healing nanotechnology was pioneered by Mercy, but it would be used by other people
odd dagger
such as modern science goes
peak escarp
@dire timber I think you're right - her bio says her physical/psychological conditioning happened after she killed Gerard
odd dagger
but wasnt it explained that mercy stole moiras research?
valid shell
God I hope they don't walk Gerard back and out him as a cheater or abuser who "had it coming".
dire timber
nah, I wouldn't worry about that
peak escarp
@odd dagger no
odd dagger
ok
peak escarp
its implied that Moira used Mercy's research
dire timber
@valid shell that's very clearly not what they were going for in the Retribution comic, so please, don't let all the fanfics get to you
odd dagger
oh my bad
dire timber
or Hamster's inane rants
peak escarp
but its public enough that she didn't have to steal it
dire timber
also, guys.. you don't need to mention awful ideas like that every time we call about Amelie killing Gerard
odd dagger
she used mercys research for the reaper syndrome correct?
dire timber
especially if you don't like those ideas
@odd dagger ... the Reaper syndrome?
what're you talking about?
worthy rose
i think he's talking abotu reaper's powers
odd dagger
and moiras
worthy rose
meh
dire timber
the powers are the result of Moira's modifications
peak escarp
Mercy's innovations were for healing
odd dagger
and moira switched it around yeah
worthy rose
Moira seems much more stable than reaper by a large margin i'd say
odd dagger
i agre
peak escarp
I don't know how that would have anything to do with creating Reaper
dire timber
we haven't actually seen Moira use these abilities in canon
what became of this music btw
it was never really used
peak escarp
I thought it was used in Alive
dire timber
nope
it uses Widowmake's leitmotif from Alive
but the piece is otherwise different
peak escarp
huh
limpid agate
Was it used in Retribution?
limpid agate
And its not in any short either?
Masquerade madefire comic?
I removed the madefire links from pins but there is still one on the wiki
!!wiki Masquerade
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granite cosmos
widow has a good ass
iron plume
!!loreonly @granite cosmos @worthy rose
does this nto work with pings
!!loreonly
kay I'll do it manually
stop shitposting
iron plume
you've been here before, you should know better
iron plume
it's fine, just don't anymore
dawn halo
Is the lore not showcasing the actual potential all the heroes' powers are capable of doing, with the exception of a few?
peak escarp
what do you mean?
dawn halo
Like what they can actually do with their powers, weapons, and skills, void of game mechanics.
peak escarp
the lore does show that some abilities/weapons work differently than in game
the biggest thing is ultimates being usable at will
dawn halo
If Tracer can rewind time on herself, can she accelerate time on herself?
peak escarp
that's essentially what Blink is
dawn halo
But I have collected many ideas how Tracer can apply her chronal accelerator beyond Blinking, Recall, and her Pulse Pistols lore wise.
peak escarp
such as?
dawn halo
This is one already seen within Alive, but she could accelerate time to augment her speed to where she could traverse a multi story building within a few seconds such as in Alive.
dense estuary
Blink has no CD in shorts
dawn halo
Filan, in real life, there are no cooldowns (except for some things such as howitzers, which requires reloading after a single shot.)
I'm talking about applications Tracer could use with her chronal accelerator beyond her abilities shown.
peak escarp
climbing the stairs like that is really just one long Blink
dawn halo
Would it overheat her accelerator for a moment after use?
dawn halo
Actually, how does her chronal accelerator work?
peak escarp
it isn't explained very much
but it needs to be charged, and using her abilities drains the charge
dawn halo
Such a device is too simple for standard electricity, and knowing from the "Big Ben" clocktower, and Sombra's Translocator, all three require some sort of unique energy source difficult to obtain.
peak escarp
her watch seems to be synced up with the accelerator to give her a readout of its power
dawn halo
Yes, yes.
peak escarp
the charger appears to be a standard charging dock, charging off of AC (or whatever British homes use)
dawn halo
Standard charging dock... Perhaps it's an element unseen until the era of Overwatch with the capability to work with AC and/or DC to do stuff such as Blink, Recall, and power her Pulse Pistols.
My actual theory to what powers the chronal accelerator is that Winston used a small tidbit of an element when he created the device, but it's small usage of energy requires periodic charging every 32 hours, less if more intense usage is conducted.
peak escarp
it would be great if they explained it, but chances are they won't
if only because people will dissect their explanation and tell them "that's not how science works!"
peak escarp
yeah
iron plume
that doesn't mean we can't nitpick it to death
peak escarp
also I think there's much more important things for them to tell us than the fictional science behind the chronal accelerator
like anything about Zenyatta or Lucio
iron plume
all local electical grids are AC
dense estuary
(Typical plug in US/CAN home is 120v @ 60hz )
I always imagine it working like some laptop computers and that is why it’s home wide when plugged in. The handwave science in it can work at full power then plugged in. On battery it “clocks down”.
umbral fiber
dim solar
worthy rose
it is
last inlet
Maybe they've added some interactions
obtuse star
@worthy rose This is not a CSGO server.
regal coyote
@peak escarp the whole world uses AC, thanks to Tesla our savior (not the car, the wonderful loonie with his rainbow piegon)
But we dont know if thye have moved to a better format by OW time.
One thing for sure is either Tracer or both of them are a bit of a hipster.
dawn halo
Hamster, let's just assume they still use AC, because it makes our jobs easier.
regal coyote
You can see things like old school consoles under the tv, and she gets Polaroid pictures on the wall.
iron plume
there's not really a "format"
there's alternative ways to actually deliver it but they're all ac
regal coyote
actually kinda, back when that fuker Edison trying to push the world to use DC with multiple powerup sstations accross the world. and he executes cats/dogs/elephants for it. (real history)
iron plume
I know that DC is a thing
regal coyote
I do agree it is easier to assume AC in ow world yes
iron plume
but we've been over the delivery of power using it
regal coyote
also judging from the deliberately rustic stuff tracer have i think she would have AC converter
though the chrono unit might need higher power
it is like how regular AC system/poutlet cannot charge a Tesla
it would need the ones with higher output
like the ones for more heavy machinary
but either way, even so the tech would be standardized and she should be able to charge in most places
only problem being the dock is kinda big and immobile
so it would be a pain travelling with it
dawn halo
How do we explain how Tracer is able to low key manipulate time?
iron plume
the stabilizer lets her do it to her own time
regal coyote
somewhat, it is not exact science as said
so the device allows her to take advantage of her situation to move it forward or backwards
iron plume
"it's not an exact science" references how it works
regal coyote
but it does take extra power from the device
and she cannot do ti continuously it seems
either there would eb a small recharge time or it would drain the device too much
so as long as the device is fucntional tracer have reasonable control within a certain timeframe, so to speak
but no it is not like flash, nowhere near flash
so no, no vibrating into walls
no going back days
no hopping timeline
she can reverse time and heal herself yes but thats about it
hasty surge
I doubt they would change, AC is the corner stone of electricity
dawn halo
I agree, but I do have a complete system to why Tracer is able to manipulate time, DM me if you want to have an explanation.
dawn halo
I'm not baiting anyone.
quasi siren
Catfishing someone on discord isn't really a thing
regal coyote
it is, depending on types of server srsly.
but back to topic. feel free to post theory here as long as it is reasonable close to the lore and not wild assumptions
tough dragon
Imagine a 9 year old chat just for 9 year olds😂 😂
peak escarp
why, are you looking for a place where you'll fit in?
tough dragon
No just a whole bunch of 9 year olds catfishing each other or other people
iron plume
!!loreonly
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iron plume
@worn solar ^that
frosty shell
AC is used because its voltage can be transformed
Making it possible to transport efficiently using high voltage while still allowing for low enough voltages for home use
iron plume
yep
and the point is there's not like another super-option that'd be there in the future
frosty shell
Also, while Edison didn't want AC technology and did encourage people to use AC power for electrocutions, Edison wasn't the one who ordered the elephant executed
He just got his camera crew to film it
And Edison didn't actually have a grudge against Tesla
regal coyote
not a grudge more like a difference in business
Edison did not order the elephant to be killed yes, cause the elephant kills multiple people and need to be eliminated. but edison did use stray animals to demonstrate the danger of AC. Mostly cause his business and all those rights he secured for a DC system. So it is just a business decision.
wont say he had a grudge with tesla, since he did had plans hiring tesla on some business.
it is just different views on things, but yea edison is a greedy asshole. tesla is cool but is a nutcase.
Also on that topic, it did mention there were plans on a magnetic hero, and was plans on electric one.
wonder how that would have
limpid agate
Chain Lightning would not be a good mechanic to bring about.
That being said.
Baptiste is our first non-ult buildable since the game's reveal
And its an immortality drone
Wonder if they will every bring in a third turret a la Sven/Sanjay/Overlord.
Or does BOB count in that regard?
Despite being an ult
last inlet
He's a turret, I'd say, in terms of gameplay. He's deployable and shoots on sight within his range
lean prawn
dawn halo
Is Junkrat covered in something that allows him to survive explosions?
Did radiation cause Roadhog to become superhumanly strong?
peak escarp
Junkrat surviving his explosions is a gameplay mechanic
dawn halo
What fucked up shit did Lucheng did to create sapient animals?
peak escarp
it's implied that he lost his arm/leg in explosions
we don't know what Roadhog was like before the radiation, so we can't tell if the radiation had anything to do with his current abilities
the Horizon experiments were possibly genetic - maybe they spliced in some human DNA? Gorillas and other apes are pretty close to sapient already
it's just Hammond that's the weird one
dawn halo
Despite reworks, can heroes who have gotten one, lore wise, use their old and new abilities? I think so.
dawn halo
And Torb can still deploy armor packs.
last inlet
Did Torb have armor packs in lore?
dawn halo
Does anyone agree Soldier: 76, or a more appropriate name, Jack, have second hand knowledge about agriculture and/or horticulture? Because he was around the age of majority by the time the Omnic Crisis rolled around and joined the Army, which he could have a large timeframe to learn stuff like that.
And Doctor, there is a panel in Going Legit where he and Roadhog STOOD in a building that BLEW UP!
last inlet
We don't have a whole lot of background on Jack, do we? From before his military days
He could have,
dawn halo
It's been stated he was going to become a run of the mill farmer if not for the Omnic Crisis.
last inlet
Then yeah maybe
Not that it really matters
Now he's a 60 year old hot dude vigilante on a mission
peak escarp
McCree was also a farm boy
peak escarp
close enough to keep the pacing of the scene
dawn halo
But looking at it, it was at least 5 meters, and then you have to deal with debris from it coming down.
peak escarp
it doesn't mean they're immune to explosions
dawn halo
I know, because no one can't be immune to explosives.
peak escarp
they didn't show them getting far away from the explosion because that would slow down the pacing of the scene
dawn halo
Blew a hole, planted the bombs, detonate them, KABOOM!
They were outside when it happened, so they got far enough after planting the bombs and blowing a hole.
fossil isle
everything came out explodey
lethal ice
frosty shell
Junkrat could've stood behind Roadhog?
foggy skiff
worthy rose
IS THIS A FORTNITE FAN SERVER, YES OR NO?
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
he lost his arm in the aftermath of the omnic crisis
he has a prosthetic arm under the gauntlet
valid shell
@ocean wadi 8 of the heroes are physically disabled by that criteria.
peak escarp
8? Doomfist, Genji, Junkrat, McCree, Symmetra, Torbjorn . . . and . . .
grim jacinth
@ocean wadi it doesnt explain why he punches with his left arm
also doom isnt disabled
remember in the first cinematic we got dooms gauntlet was locked up and in the doomfist reveal trailer he had both arms when he broke out
peak escarp
his prosthetic arm has realistic skin
peak escarp
let me see if I can find a better pic
he wears the gauntlet over his prosthetic arm
peak escarp
oh
Doomfist's family runs a prosthetics company so it makes sense he'd have a high-end model
valid shell
It's super weird that they would allow it in prison.
It couldn't be a brick wall like in his DF Origins, but it would be so much cooler if he broke out with his flesh-and-blood left arm while his right was confiscated.
Showing how much of an absolute unit he is even without his prosthetics.
peak escarp
wouldn't depriving someone of their prosthetics (particularly one that seems to be integrated into the body like his is) constitute a human rights violation?
I don't think it can be removed
valid shell
I think they would - and probably have, in real life - ignored that for terrorists.
But you're probably right.
peak escarp
also, there were Talon moles in Helix that probably made it happen
valid shell
His seems to also include a pectoral and probably a lung.
And likely some vertebrae, if not his entire spine.
valid shell
Trying to punch OR-14's, hopefully.
peak escarp
I think Reinhardt's eye and Torbjorn's arm are the only missing parts we have an explanation for
rigid quartz
Reinhardt's eye, IIRC, was damaged during the Battle of Eichenwalde. We see that in the Honor and Glory animated short.
peak escarp
yep
Ana already had a cybernetic eye before Widow shot it out, so we don't know how she lost it originally
rigid quartz
Ach, sorry. I'm tired and misread.
peak escarp
no worries
and then there's McCree with his "story for another time"
I hope the story behind Symmetra's arm isn't as sinister as the fandom wants
rigid quartz
All the lore I crave falls under, "a story for another time" or "we've given you enough and we have 28 other characters to flesh out" >_>
peak escarp
I think they should start by making origin trailers for all the heroes who don't have them
worthy rose
Unfortunately, a lot of people would complain about no plot progression
grim jacinth
i mean to be fair zens just a monk lmao
valid shell
?
Homie he's a robot.
From a fake future robot religion.
"Just a monk" is a little short-sighted.
rigid quartz
The problem with origin trailers for Zen or Lucio, I think, is that their stories in the present day are much more interesting to tell. But figuring out how to include them in the 'main plot' -- whatever that is -- is tricky at the moment, since most of the characters are either alone or clustered into small groups that may or may not interact in any organic fashion.
peak escarp
Lucio stealing his dad's tech and leading a rebellion against vishkar is way more interesting than anything he could be doing right now
same goes for Zenyatta disagreeing with Mondatta and leaving the Shambali, and mentoring a very troubled Genji
DVa and Orisa are the ones with more future story potential, due to their age
valid shell
Brigs too.
peak escarp
I don't want origin trailers to replace other lore that we could be getting, but I would still like to have them
rigid quartz
Well, when you put it like that, it would be nice to have things concretely laid out in some kind of origin trailer. I'm rusty on their lore, but I think the details you mentioned have been either strongly implied or scattered about everywhere rather than collected in a single place?
peak escarp
they have been hinted at
mostly in their bios, but Lucio's story is also mentioned in his interactions with Mercy and Symmetra
his father was a Vishkar employee who invented the core tech of Lucio's gear - it was made while he worked for Vishkar, so naturally Vishkar owns the patent
Lucio disagreed, and stole it back
and then presumeably used it to lead a revolution against Vishkar
however, like with Mei's bio, it could get retconned by newer information
edgy gorge
actually i agree that zen would be nice to have an origin short
but not lucio
lucio would make for a good small archive like mission instead
super cool really
with some grunt units people can play
or hell a bunch of skate running units going through the mission, without sonic blaster
dense estuary
I would call it more repatrioted the tech into his family 😉 Admittedly if he had his father's plans you could claim he stole nothing from Vishkar if he did not snag any physical hardware.
peak escarp
if Vishkar owned the patent it would still count as stealing if he just stole the design
dense estuary
Ahh I figured it would only count if he tried to market the technology
rigid quartz
Companies tend to own whatever their employees make, whether technology or blueprints or code, unless the employee has a clause in their contract. 
peak escarp
we don't know how legal Vishkar's claim on his father's invention is - they could be exploiting a loophole or something like that, or it could be legal ownership (based on what TinyOctopus said) and Lucio is the one in the wrong here
rigid quartz
Plus, considering Vishkar is an international company, depending on where they have patents filed..... that could also change things, since the specifics of IP laws can vary from country to country.
Still, I have a feeling Vishkar would make sure they owned whatever their employees made, especially if Lucio's father made it for them as part of their R&D division or something.
peak escarp
so it's really Lucio who doesn't understand how Intellectual Property rights work
rigid quartz
Well, some would probably say an evil, corrupt corporation with ties to all kinds of shady ventures doesn't deserve to have an invention that Lucio's father made for them, since they'll use it for.... evil.
Now that they have Alyssa Wong, it's not out of the question for them to have more short stories. It'd be amusing (but highly improbable) if they had a short story where Vishkar takes Lucio to court over IP violations.
A short story like that would be an easy way to solidify all the tidbits and hints of Lucio lore scattered around. She's a good writer, so I trust her to pull off tying in themes and delivering backstory in a way that doesn't drag the entire narrative to a screeching halt.
peak escarp
I look forward to seeing her name on something
rigid quartz
Me too. 👀
timid eagle
Considering that material for comics and whatnot has slowed down significantly, we might be waiting for a long time.
At least, that’s how I feel about it.
peak escarp
comics will resume soon
at the very least, we'll get something in about a month for Archives
light osprey
yass
regal coyote
@peak escarp if lucio just steal the design it is NOT stealing.
It is IP infedgement, which is different, despite some corperate pieces of shit try to convince people.
but I do think lucio might actually have physically taken a prototype from Vishkar
in this case yeah stealing.
But Robin Hood style
illegal, sure. wrong? not really.
regal coyote
^^
this i think
though we dont know the circumstances
like, might be vishkar have lucio's pop accidently unalived
in which case obviously lucio should steal stuff, and probably should burn dow some shit also.
revenge is always needed
worthy rose
I do think there's a charm of sorts to a story that lets you make it what you think, particularly when it does this consistently and doesn't have a record of crashing people's thoughts over the years.
You get a context and character baselines, and the rest is up to you.
worthy rose
What most people don't really realise is Lucio is very smart and quite fearsome, if he managed to steal this presumably incredibly expensive technology back and start a riot of sorts on his own
cunning ledge
Also becoming a worldwide star when a powerful company has evidence of him doing illegal things
iron plume
oh I have a shitpost about that
cunning ledge
I always liked the idea that the situation was so shady in vishkar’s direction too
cunning ledge
So they don’t tell the authorities
Oh no
Pre that-one-voice-line-about-his-dad lore
iron plume
and yeah the more likely situation is that they don't want people investigating too much
but then Lucio is a worldwide star that talks about how vishkar fucked his people over
so you'd think they'd get the publicity either way
rigid quartz
Bad PR in the age of social media tends to linger. I imagine it would be worse in the future.
cunning ledge
Then again this is a company that blew up a building and killed multiple people to secure a contract
rigid quartz
I'm sure it was an accident and a regrettable loss of life.
regal coyote
the idea is that you tend to stay away from a successful global star and a successful rebellion leader
dawn halo
Vishkar are assholes, period.
regal coyote
Wonder: If the Carribian Coalition is still in power at the area?
As in the countries are still allied into such an organization?
dire timber
I don't think they are
I think part of the reason Baptiste joined Talon was because the Caribbean Coalition went out of business?
regal coyote
obviously it wont be as military focused hence you get people like bapt without a job
but as something like a localize thing liek nato
late ledge
So atm baptiste is a neutral caracter.
regal coyote
no point for most countries keeping a huge military after omnics are pacified anyways
late ledge
Or no?
regal coyote
so it is obvious most places demilitarize and good soldiers out of job
lapis oracle
But still you need people tracking down people like the junkers
worthy rose
what piece of lore do you think we be this years archives event?
lapis oracle
i'm hoping for a paris flashback of some sorts
worthy rose
cool idea
lapis oracle
since they also dealt with some type of omnicrisis, but stuff seems more omnic-friendly there. Perhaps it also explains why we're capturing ground around a statue
dire timber
@worthy rose some people speculate that it will be the team vs adeyemi, in which case, it'd probably be Numbani
if it's not, then the best bet is Paris
peak escarp
I don't think Paris is any more likely than any other map
a Talon vs Talon mission is a good possibility though
limpid agate
Im still looking forward to Talon vs Overwatch
Or overall, an actual killable boss.
Introduce someone like Antonio, but let me kill them myself
sacred hamlet
Implying they'd Develop a good enough AI able to use a variety of unique abilities without being too Easy on low difficulties and too Hard on Legendary.
Gotta stick with those heavy gunners who do nothing but shoot and be kited as end game bosses
Designing an actual intimidating "Human" AI would be far off Blizzard's Limits for something like OW.
sacred hamlet
I mean Human-like AI
sacred hamlet
Say if they were to develop an AI for a character like Akinjide
Basically Doomfist, but with an AI smart enough to not get stuck in a corner or be able to fight 4 people at once without being kited indefinitely.
You'd have to make the fight satisfying and fair
To at least honor the character in some way.
worthy rose
So when it comes to release time and leaks, how long have we got left until we see new archives teasers?
worthy rose
hey man its a name
sacred hamlet
That pierces other people's name
That is crime
But yeah, if your definition of a good Boss Fight is a Tank shooting you for 3 minutes while you kite them around
Then that's fine I guess
It still sounds silly for an important character like Antonio or whatever
peak escarp
teasers for Archives should come in the first week of April (maybe another OWL reveal)
sacred hamlet
There's need for more dynamic fighting there.
peak escarp
with the event starting April 9
(based on Archives the previous two years starting on the tuesday of the second week of April)
the trouble with programming a good boss fight is finding the balance
too hard and people can't win, too easy and people get bored
frosty shell
I think Ana might've purposefully replaced her eye to become a better sniper
peak escarp
the difficulty spike between normal and hard Uprising was much steeper than between normal and hard Retribution
sacred hamlet
Retribution was a bitch above hard to be honest
iron plume
Retribution is ez clap city compared to uprising
sacred hamlet
Even on Legendary ⁉
peak escarp
I found it pretty easy, but then again I have McCree, Reaper, Moira and Genji players in my group
iron plume
especially on legendary
sacred hamlet
Like goddamn those 2 Heavies are crazy
peak escarp
you just have to fight defensively
iron plume
in retribution you can just kite them around forever
Retribution isn't that hard is my point
peak escarp
I almost beat Retribution on Legendary with my group
we can't even beat Hard Uprising
granite gazelle
Lmaooo
granite gazelle
No? Just win
sacred hamlet
Brute Force AKA Rush the entire map while the cutscenes happen
Fucking Blizzard LUL
Last time I played you could easily skip the bridge and museum parts with cheesing
peak escarp
it's easy on All Heroes - just pick Mei and freeze-lock the Heavy
vocal pine
Uprising is harder, no contest.
placid gazelle
uh oh watch out. we got a bad ass overhere
peak escarp
but we're getting off topic
iron plume
obviously all heroes is easy
you can have a fucking bastion
sacred hamlet
Can I complain about Hammond and Winston not having enough voice lines even though they're childhood buddies
I think I can complain about that
vocal pine
Yeah.
peak escarp
a mission with Talon heroes (Doomfist, Sombra, Widow, Baptiste) would have to be designed around their strengths
placid gazelle
you mean "gasp hamond" and "squeek squeek" isnt enough XD
peak escarp
like how Uprising was designed around Reinhardt/Torbjorn's strength at defending an objective/payload
dapper shuttle
Luna has a new voiceline on PTR "Tout le est le bienvenue ici. Loin des oppresseurs qui voudraient nous réduire au silence "and then something about how everyone can be themselves here.
iron plume
nice
placid gazelle
i just started playing recently so i feel spoiled to have so many questions answered coming in
dapper shuttle
Everyone is welcome here. Away from the oppressors who want to silence us
dawn halo
What about an archives event revolving around the Omnic Crisis?
dapper shuttle
Luna talking about oppressors and say "silence US"...she's part of the revolution.
worthy rose
uprising
dapper shuttle
She might even be leading it
sacred hamlet
Uprising was just a terrorist attack
The Omnic Crisis would probably just be a shitfest
iron plume
Omnic Crisis doesn't have enough heroes for an event
peak escarp
@dawn halo doing an omnic crisis mission presents the problem of half the available heroes (Ana, Reaper, Jack) having different abilities back then
iron plume
Luna's line might just refer to the omnics
she's definitely in on the social movement if not the revolution
dawn halo
Doctor, yes, perhaps new people can be introduced that played a lesser role in Omnic Crisis Overwatch.
But that's a little overboard.
peak escarp
if they have to introduce new playable heroes then it won't be this year
iron plume
by this or next year's archives?
you need at least two and ideally all four
since the only available ones are Torb and Rein and they've already been together in Uprising
dawn halo
Within the future, is it feasible for an Omnic Crisis related Archives to be released.
My answer, absolutely.
peak escarp
they have given heroes alternate kits for events before
placid gazelle
for the year iv been here, when they have somthing new its somthing they worked hard on and somthing we cant predict
peak escarp
so that is a possibility
in Yeti Hunter Mei has her trap ultimate
and Lucioball changes up Lucio's kit
iron plume
that's just one per, with the whole mode being focused on them
peak escarp
although I don't know if they'd change a whole kit just for an event
iron plume
also mei has two alt kits
peak escarp
at that point you'd be better off making a new hero
iron plume
hm
peak escarp
Reaper's whole kit would need to be changed
iron plume
I could see back-troducing a new hero like they did with Rialto
have sniper!ana in the event and then reveal the kit as a new hero that stayed one
although that's gonna be iffy
peak escarp
who did they introduce with Rialto?
dawn halo
Was Moria introduced before Retribution?
iron plume
i mean rialto itself
peak escarp
Moira was introduced Nov 2017
iron plume
since it was an event map first
peak escarp
ah
dawn halo
Your right, it was an event map before actually a map used for the game.
dawn halo
I agree, Blizzard is unpredictable, and they introduced Busan before it was a map.
iron plume
regarding "they'd be better off making a new hero", gameplay/development wise yes, but if they want to make a "overwatch origins" event, it'll be lessened if you miss out on the trio
peak escarp
Overwatch only had 6 members during the crisis, and 5 of them are already in the game
dawn halo
Although it wasn't an actual map yet, but still, that base than Hana and her squadmates (Yuna, Seung-hwa, Kyung-soo, Jae-eun) reside was incorporated into the animated short before the game map.
Who is Liao anyways?
dawn halo
I think Laio was their artist with a side of badass. Doing the propaganda posters to recruit people into the Overwatch cause.
dawn halo
I know, and perhaps some have side tasks alongside fighting.
dawn halo
Is the UN the same UN in our current world? I don't think so but possible.
iron plume
it's the same organization
peak escarp
why wouldn't it be?
dawn halo
Actually, this pulls a question, if the Omnics attacked New York City, Geneva, Nairobi, and Vienna, would they have relocated their headquarters and/or regional offices underground or somewhere isolated?
I think yes.
peak escarp
or somewhere better defended
dense estuary
that we do not know but I doubt it, I doubt governments would have nuked their own cities.
peak escarp
I would hope by then that everyone would have agreed that nuclear weapons are unethical and had them all destroyed
dense estuary
Also considering the volume of AIs most likely behind the crisis. Odds are one of the first things they would have hit would have been places that could deploy them.
dawn halo
Perhaps humans by the Omnic Crisis may have figured more deadlier ways than nukes to kill people.
peak escarp
it isn't so much about the lethality of the weapon, it's about designing something to kill/disable inorganic machines
nuclear weapons devastation comes partially from the radiation
but omnics are smart and adaptable - EMP one omnium, the others guard against EMPs
frosty shell
I doubt that all nuclear weapons would ever be destroyed because of the possibility of something like the Omnic Crisis
I assume that important leaders probably relocated to places without a threat of Omnics
I have no idea if nukes were used in the Crisis - it does seem like the kind of situation where nukes would be helpful
And I doubt the Omniums had access to weapons on Day 1 a la Skynet
Probably one of the important steps by the humans would've been to move any deadly weapons away from where Omnics could get to them
I assume what happened was that after the Omniums went rogue, they acquired the plans for Bastions (perhaps by hacking SST) and then started building them
dawn halo
It's been stated Bastions are the most commonly used omnic in the crisis, perhaps it was only meant for foot soldiers. There could be other omnics being manufactured, including better foot soldiers (i.e: OR-14's), vehicles (i.e: Omnic Fighters), and possibly superweapon omnics (i.e: Gwisin Kaiju.).
limpid agate
There are other omnics
Bastions, Idinas, Titans, and airships were seen during the crisis
Oh and Spider Tank artillery
In the modern day
We have still seen Bastions/Spider Tanks in Russia
But we have also seen the Gwisin Kaiju and Squids
dense estuary
Things like project Thor are probably more common in the time period of Overwatch assuming the Outer Space Treaty ceased to exist.
dawn halo
@limpid agate I want to make a correction, I was actually saying about a type of omnic manufactured more than Bastions.
dire timber
@dapper shuttle "Luna has a new voiceline on PTR "Tout le est le bienvenue ici. Loin des oppresseurs qui voudraient nous réduire au silence "and then something about how everyone can be themselves here."
what does that mean?
dapper shuttle
Everyone is welcome here. Away from the oppressors who want to silence us
teal wing
u can be homosexual if u want ALL INCLUSIVE
peak escarp
Luna seems to be in on the rebellion
iron plume
yeah it's been shared on
you know
iron plume
no i mean i've seen your post
iron plume
someone's quick on your posts
dapper shuttle
Oh boi, who's sharing it and where
dapper shuttle
I'm so confused but I'll go with the flow i guess
peak escarp
Karahe has forgotten us already
iron plume
smh
peak escarp
could be the Archives map
worthy rose
But what would the mission be?
peak escarp
we didn't know anything about the previous events until they were revealed
limpid agate
We did have teaser for a Venice Operation that exposed Moira/Blackwatch in Moira's bio
But thats it
Uprising was purely unknown
peak escarp
yeah
limpid agate
And the facts behind Retribution were as well
peak escarp
so chances are, it won't be a mission we know about
dapper shuttle
Oh you meant the old server, got it. So maybe this year's archives event will be just baptiste, in an old mission in cuba?
worthy rose
Probably Cuba. From Uprising and Retribution, it will probably be four players.
dapper shuttle
who would the other 3 heroes be?
pearl blade
Overwatch operatives fighting talon forces maybe?
worthy rose
No, that would turn it into PvP
iron plume
the most likely option right now is baptiste/widow/doom/sombra in a talon mission 6-7-ish years ago
would be interesting if it's baptiste's last
worthy rose
I'd say very likely that it's Baptiste's last. Why else would we have it?
dawn halo
There should be a twist where Baptise betrays the group in the middle of the later part of the mission and has to hold out against the other three heroes while getting to a waypoint, but there will be distractions like tear gas, fire, etc. that can be initiated by firing his gun to keep them at bay to varying effects.
dawn halo
That can be solved through some unique event that is unavoidable to give the Baptise a head start.
ocean wadi
they should do a mission where we play as a talon soldier but against some ow heroes with buffed abilitues and stats so that we know how the soldiers feel
dawn halo
You just gave a spin off idea (if we will ever get one), of a strategy game taking place within the world of Overwatch.
clever silo
I don’t think that’ll happen because Archives is canon to an extent, and it’d require Overwatch members to die which I don’t think they’d do.
As far as I know, Overwatch was a smallish organization so foot soldiers like Talon has wouldn’t be an option
dawn halo
Still, it could be incorporated as a idea for a spin off (if we ever will get one.)
clever silo
I think extremely it’s likely we’re going to either an expansion we have to pay for, a whole new game in the same universe as Overwatch
I can’t get the exact quote right now because I’m “studying” right now but at Blizzcon(?) they said they think of Overwatch as the Warcraft 1 of it’s franchise.
iron plume
a campaign expansion could be a thing but you'd definitely play heroes
clever silo
I don’t know if that’s 100% a fact. The fact they specified Warcraft 1 makes me question if it’d be the same genre as the Overwatch we know is, considering WoW is a different genre than Warcraft 1 I believe
If I’m wrong whoops I never played any Warcraft game besides WoW
dawn halo
What about a strategy game spin off? Where you are in the shoes of Jack (AKA: Soldier: 76) as the Strike Commander and you command forces to try and keep world peace.
clever silo
I’d be unhappy because I don’t like that kind of genre very much but if they do it oh well, I’ll still be invested in the story assuming it’s continued in it.
dawn halo
It could give some insight to how Overwatch works from a command aspect. And see the struggles Overwatch's high command has to deal with on a semi regular basis, especially where you have to negotiate shit, send forces there, airstrike or bomb certain locations, or have to send a strike team (heroes) to deal with the situation in a certain area.
peak escarp
sounds appropriate for a mobile game
dawn halo
I know, right? Overwatch has a ton of potential in the spin off's department!
peak escarp
reminds me of the trade routes minigames from the AC games
or managing the assassins in AC Brotherhood
rigid quartz
If I can dream aloud of Overwatch spin-off games, then I'd love to see some kind of strategy game set during the Omnic Crisis, as some kind of compliment to your glorious idea, Dresadan.
Gimme a reactive world map showing just how badly humanity's losing (with certain maps / countries being easier or harder depending on variables ranging from weather conditions, terrain, size of omnic forces, my supplies) and let me figure out the rest from there.
I've spent decades shoving units around a screen and waiting for the judgment of the RNG gods, so I'm up for anything. The amount of angry noises I'd make if / when a map I took over at the beginning of the campaign ends up later being retaken by omnics because I got arrogant or was too strapped for supplies to properly defend it at the time would make it all worth it.
If they wanted to have more of an action / FPS element, they could even go with the combat style of 'Valkyria Chronicles' than, say, 'Command & Conquer.'
valid shell
This is as video-gamey as you can get.
fringe blade
Havana map would be awesome
Though it might feel a bit like Petra/Paris
But I don't know
I was just thinking, a little interesting fact, isn't Baptiste like an anti-moira, sort of?
fringe blade
I mean, Moira left Overwatch because they were too ethical, too right, right?
worthy rose
no?
limpid agate
She joined Talon because they offered to fund her work. In Blackwatch, she was also offered to fund her work
She didnt leave because they were too ethical
She left when the funding stopped
fringe blade
That's what I always saw it as, that she wanted to use more dangerous and more unreliable methods to do her experiments
limpid agate
You think Blackwatch cared?
worthy rose
Moira was never indoctrinated into overwatch. She worked with Gabe because he let her do basically what she wanted cause a vast majority of the scientific community wasn't going to let her do her thing since she does a lot of things without boundaries or regard for rules or ethics
limpid agate
There is a difference between quitting and being fired
limpid agate
Also a difference between
fringe blade
Like a sort of 'do-anything-for-the-greater-good' kind of character
limpid agate
Not being allowed to do what you want
And too many people being allowed to do what they want
They're not really too similar
Mercy/Moira are your foils
Not Baptiste
fringe blade
Why did Baptiste leave Talon? Wasn't it because he didn't care for their 'badness' (evilness) ?
limpid agate
He joined Talon because they were the only ones hiring soldiers
fringe blade
Why did he leave though?
limpid agate
He left Talon because he didnt want to be a terrorist, he wanted to help people
He became what he hated
fringe blade
Yea, that's what I was thinking. He didn't want to be evil.
fringe blade
True, lol, sorry
oak mango
He didn’t realize they were evil people. When he did figure it out, he left.
fringe blade
Also, a bit off-topic, but I really like these little, subtle hints of sorts (the Havana 'teaser') Like the Doomfist fist posters or his fist disappearing from the payload on Numbani)
Do you think this might be a deception tactic of sorts? Because it is quite subtle, but maybe they expected the people to see it and spread it around?
limpid agate
Doomfist posters were around 2 years before Doomfist became playable
The fist disappearing was part of Orisa's launch
fringe blade
Yea, but still a subtle hint
limpid agate
It wasnt a hint.
The Doomfist posters were because people were asking for Doomfist to become a hero
So they made him a map instead
fringe blade
I suppose
limpid agate
He was originally a throwaway name from the first short
Not intended to become a character
They made some art, then put him into a map
And 2 years later he became playable. That wasnt a hint, the hero's development was much later
Like Brigitte
Character first
Then later they chose to make her playable
Ana was another
limpid agate
I believe in an early interview they talked about how
The hero was meant to be something else
But they realized they already had a sniper character
So they made it Ana
valid shell
Ana's post-Overwatch character development was entirely gameplay driven.
red forum
But he isnt overwatch right
red forum
Cuz genji is blackwatch and he would have known
But like
Diva is allied
To overwatch
red forum
Genji would have known hanzo was overwatch
red forum
So then wtf
there are overwatch members and there are peolle they wanna stop
But where do others stand
limpid agate
Most of the cast is unrelated to Overwatch
red forum
Initially, but shouldn't they work to like connect them
limpid agate
11/30 heroes were Overwatch agents in the past.
Overwatch shut down ~5 years in the past
red forum
Why is the game called overwatch and whats the call winston made for then
limpid agate
The call Winston made is to restart Overwatch
In the present, its just Tracer/Winston/Mei/Reinhardt/Brig. Its also implied Torb/Bastion/Genji joined.
McCree is the only known "No".
But Reaper/Moira are also probably "No" too
red forum
Ye but shouldnt they create a unifying stort arch
Like events happen and they have to unite
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
limpid agate
You should at least read the hero bios
To see who is and isnt related
Most of the cast has nothing to do with Overwatch
Yet are not antagonists or villains
red forum
No like i know but recall sort of implies something is coming and all these heroes will have to meet and twam up one way or another
limpid agate
Baptiste, D.Va, Orisa, Pharah, Hammond, Zarya, and Zenyatta are all good guys that were never part of Overwatch.
red forum
And talon is talon
ocean wadi
so who is getting revealed as gay next
ocean wadi
mccree?
twilit nacelleBOT
@ocean wadi Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
red forum
Ashe is connected to mccree tho
red forum
Like thetes people connected to overwatch and their connections
But is roadhog connected to talon or overwatch
red forum
so
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
limpid agate
Read the hero bios
red forum
IT WAS RHETORICAL
limpid agate
That's not a rhetorical
limpid agate
Correct, no it isnt
red forum
Its to make the point that thhey both stand out
limpid agate
Read the bios
red forum
As unrelated
limpid agate
Overwatch isnt the core unifier. Likewise, its a large world, not everyone is tied to other people.
Street Fighter has been around since the 90s, and characters like Dhalsim still stick out with no real relations to anyone
Not everyone is part of Overwatch, an enemy of Overwatch, or even 1 hero removed from Overwatch
regal coyote
wait hammond is good guy how?
he is quite neutral really
he did not do any good or bad things so far
not in any scale
though as a hamster i would stand by his side ok.
dense estuary
Overwatch honestly has only a handful of actually evil characters. I think
Like JR and Hog I would say are criminals but they do it or the money and well fun, We know JR loves explosions for the sake of explosions.
Doomfist starts to enter evil land to me just because of the whole forcing conflict on people because of some odd feeling it makes humaity better to have wars.
cunning ledge
Junkrat is on the side of whoever is currently paying him the most
regal coyote
also notice most of their murder victims are not humans
sure they are more than happy to scrap a bunch of omnics, but even hog tend to let the humans run away instead, unless they reall piss them off.
like that rich guy that double cross them two.
fading umbra
Havana ooo na na
timid eagle
Interesting. I wonder if it’s a teaser for an upcoming Deathmatch map.
Mostly because we are due for a new one.
frosty shell
Yeah, I think Havana will be a Deathmatch map
iron plume
...nice one
dense estuary
the poster reminds me a bit of the old 1930s flying boat trip things from PanAm
iron plume
yes
fringe blade
Early April or Late
gaunt snow
FLEX SEAL
iron plume
please don't spam irrelevant links @sage jungle
that has nothing to do with overwatch lore
or the game in general, or competitive, or esports for that matter
hence the spam
worn solar
How did Winston become one of the leaders of Overwatch?
Or was he just one of the head scientists?
peak escarp
he became a leader by launching the recall
worn solar
How did he get the authority to do that in the first place?
worthy rose
i dont think there was any authority or anything required. he had the OW computer thing in his home and finally determined it was enough and sure enough became the defacto leader cause he's the one calling everyone back
iron plume
Recall is just a message sent out to known agents
Athena persumably "knows" their contact info
that's all there is to it, any authority winston has over new overwatch is willingly given to him by the people who answered
craggy kestrel
iron plume
...
peak escarp
a what?
rancid hare
Pretty sure she's an Artificial Intelligence. Also pretty sure that's not a synonym for pedophile.
dawn halo
What is Echo? That's more important than Athena. I think Echo is a military strategy AI which works alongside Athena to assist 
leaders in commanding the group.
peak escarp
Echo is a robot, not an AI
worn solar
Is Athena the leader, then?
lethal sigil
oh shood
dawn halo
Then a robot with a strategic mind.
worthy rose
👀 i dont think echo has ties to ow
peak escarp
we don't know what Echo is capable of
dawn halo
My correction: I think Echo is a robot with a mind for military strategy.
And Dude, it's been stated she has been a critical asset for Overwatch, and is a future hero.
dawn halo
That leads to assumptions she is powerful in her own right as a robot, combined having an important role within the old group.
peak escarp
there's any number of reasons why McCree thinks Overwatch needs her more
it may not even have to do with Echo's abilities, but McCree's perceived lack of personal value
dawn halo
And perhaps him sending Echo to return to Winston is to contribute to the group while he finds a new him before he returns to duty.
peak escarp
maybe he thinks they need her more because the last thing new Overwatch needs is a wanted criminal who is just good at shooting
I do think she knows the old team
or at least knows Winston
based on her reaction to McCree calling Winston a monkey
dawn halo
And the "business he has to attend to." it could be what we theorized, or him preparing to deal with the Deadlocks. And has been stated on a wiki page, I'm not saying it's canon, but since the Recall, he was looking for Echo, which led to the animated short Reunion occuring.
peak escarp
possibly
peak escarp
I look forward to seeing more about her
shy idol
jesus
peak escarp
do you have a question @shy idol?
shy idol
do you know about our lord and savior?
iron plume
Mercy?
shy idol
our lord KEK
iron plume
oh you're one of those people
limpid agate
!!shitposting @shy idol
twilit nacelleBOT
@shy idol Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
ooh that's a nice command
limpid agate
Youre welcome to use it here
shy idol
serious question
iron plume
I will use it as irresponsibly as I can
shy idol
when is the whole cast going to come out as demisexual
I feel very underrepresented in this game
iron plume
That's not a serious question
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
worthy rose
Strike two?
limpid agate
Im not going to give a second warning if the first was ignored
slow goblet
I reckon Archives or Elimination
limpid agate
Maybe Archives, maybe arcade, maybe just a random core map
grim jacinth
hi rusa
worthy rose
But why Havana?
iron plume
more story about the Caribbean Coalition
worthy rose
The closest link we have to it is maybe Baptiste, but he's Haitian
dawn halo
And probably the fall of the current regime in Cuba.
grim jacinth
doesnt mean he couldve been in havana in the past
iron plume
it's not his home but he likely has something to do with it
limpid agate
This is PTR
iron plume
he's asking what's so important about havana, not why we know it might be the next
grim jacinth
or havana could also be the next archives map
worthy rose
The changed sign showed us what it was, but where does it fit in the lore?
grim jacinth
didnt read the comics but its possible
limpid agate
Baptiste is the closest tie
He fought as part of the Caribbean Coalition after the crisis.
Havana is part of the Caribbean
iron plume
It's fairly likely Coalition is based there
being the biggest place among the islands
worthy rose
That's actually a pretty good reason
dawn halo
Could it mean the regime in Cuba was overthrown by the Caribbean Coalition?
worthy rose
Talon mission against the caribbean coalition?
iron plume
the coalition arose as a defensive union during the omnic crisis
I very very very much doubt they'll go into the politics
iron plume
yeah but I'm talking about its origin
worthy rose
And it's probably true that the coalition stuck around just like overwatch
limpid agate
After the Omnic Crisis ended, what opponents did they have?
Evidentally, not Talon
Baptiste joined Talon because he was looking for work.
viscid steeple
so I got a question about zenyatta's lore
iron plume
the Crisis in general serves as a good "reset point"
limpid agate
The two dont appear to have ever conflicted
viscid steeple
why is there none of it
iron plume
We don't talk about what happened to the Cuban regime, and can presume it was taken down by the omnics
limpid agate
His bio summarizes pretty much everything you need. He's not a very important character
iron plume
same with the other touchy subjects
viscid steeple
the iris is prob one of the most interesting organizations in the OW universe
iron plume
post-crisis I presume they held a peacekeeping capacity, kinda like the local overwatch
dawn halo
And the Cuban regime could have been overthrown during the Omnic Crisis or somewhere after the crisis.
limpid agate
The Iris is the subject of Shambali faith.
Its ties can expand beyond a Zen backstory
dawn halo
Then the Carribean Coalition takes it's stead and set up operations and kept the peace in Cuba while it rebuilds from the toppling of the regime.
viscid steeple
uhuh?
limpid agate
Its speculated that the Iris is the same entity that found Sombra.
viscid steeple
oh
dawn halo
Or the Illuminati, perhaps both.
viscid steeple
that is interesting
iron plume
Given that one of Overwatch's running themes is "yay humans working together", the Coalition might've replaced the individual armies of those nations, ensuring a stronger defense
dawn halo
And this could lead to what happens in the game with bad guys and good guys working together.
And we still have the situation in Korea, despite the Crisis.
iron plume
that's because if they insinuate otherwise it's arleady taking a stance
we don't know what happened to NK however
maybe it's the same as is, maybe it's been taken down by omnics completely
maybe it's also democratized, just not uniting with SK for other reasons
dawn halo
Or perhaps the tension is still there, and they have MEKA's too like South Korea.
It's a little speculative, because anything could've happened.
iron plume
yeah that's kinda what I was going for with "other reasons"
either way they're not touching on it and even with south korea being South Korea there's options