swift loom
does this mean archives event will be talon based?
#lore-discussion
sacred hamlet
Most likely
worthy rose
I mean
based on the fact that Sombra had to hack into Talon databases to find out about him
I imagine he joined and left a while after Sombra first joined
Tho it might be a stretch on my part since that's me assuming talon members know other talon members of extreme value and skill
quasi siren
That does make sense, or perhaps she was trying to locate where he currently is?
She could have either been tracking him for talon or to find more abour the talon organization since he probably knew some stuff others didn't
valid shell
@swift loom Called it at the last teaser, next Archives will be Doomfist, Sombra, Widowmaker, and Baptiste, back when DF was just an operative and Baptiste was still Talon.
worthy rose
Maybe she's looking for another pawn?
Like the same way she's manipulating soldier and presumably McCree and Reaper and everyone basically for her own agenda
Can be true
white cobalt
wew new hero
worthy rose
Can not qait until i come to the game
lusty ruin
New hero 
valid shell
@worthy rose Stop.
worthy rose
@valid shell ok
slow latch
YOOOOOO BAPTISTE HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
valid shell
Correct!
slow goblet
I love him so much
I wasn’t expecting to love him this much
But I’ve known him 5 minutes and would die for him
desert urchin
what interactions do you think he'll have with the talon team?
slow goblet
I’m presuming bitter resentment dripping towards each of them.
Maybe pity to Widowmaker?
quasi siren
For Moira he would see her as illogical and inhumane, something special with sombra since she hacked his files, and I agree with CatKoi about the pity to widowmaker
warped glen
Is talon good guys?
slow goblet
No
quasi siren
No
mystic adder
No p e
desert urchin
hmmm.. that does sound plausible. maybe he'll have a rivalry with moira since he's a healer too
warped glen
Something about this doesn't make sense
quasi siren
Tbh I think he'd have pity toward reaper and widowmaker due to what they have become due to Moira
outer stone
When do we think he'll be on PTR?
warped glen
Because Gerard was killed because overwatch didn't want a bad guy in their group so they killed him
limpid agate
Thats not what happened at all
warped glen
As I heard
limpid agate
Not even remotely close
fringe blade
So I don't understand, is Baptiste a sniper or not? In the video, his gun seems to be like a grenade launcher-type of thing
limpid agate
@fringe blade There was never any suggestion that he was a sniper
twilit nacelleBOT
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fringe blade
I mean, yay. Another African (?) hero in the roster
quasi siren
He is Haitian
fringe blade
My bad, sorry
peak escarp
Gerard was killed because he was a threat to Talon
fringe blade
He has an African-ish accent, imo
He seems to be a very badass character tbh. Not everyone can just sit there with a healthpack around a bunch of tied up Talon agents
loud harness
I hope he has Creole lines
warped glen
Do you think they are ever gonna announce sombras real name?
limpid agate
They did
peak escarp
they did
vocal pine
It's Olivia Colomar.
warped glen
Where?
limpid agate
!!loreComics
twilit nacelleBOT
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limpid agate
Read the comics
fringe blade
So is this guy anti-omnic?
limpid agate
We dont know
sacred hamlet
Most characters who experienced the war usually hate omnics
fringe blade
There's also the origin story lol
limpid agate
THat is in a tweet
sacred hamlet
so i'd say 70 40 chance
fringe blade
true
limpid agate
Hence why it was plural
fringe blade
It's also on Youtube, fyi
sacred hamlet
also just to check if i'm dumb or not
sacred hamlet
Was the twist in the video supposed to be that Baptiste became what he most hated
fringe blade
Not today lol
ocean river
Yo baptise looks sick
sacred hamlet
With the little kid in the midst of ruins and him being the cause of it
peak escarp
twist?
ocean river
Grenadier supoort
sacred hamlet
Well when you first watch the video, you think Baptiste is the little kid facing a Bastion Unit face to face.
warped glen
The way it's setup is like the soldier 76 trailer with the girl
fringe blade
Maybe I am looking too deeply into this, but I feel like this guy will have to do something with healthpacks. They are seen in the video like 3-4 times
sacred hamlet
then at the end of the video it's revealed the Bastion is actually Baptiste working with Talon
last inlet
Isn't he?
fringe blade
@warped glen ??
mystic adder
He is gonna be some type of healer possibly
last inlet
Kid
sacred hamlet
are the two kids supposed to be different
warped glen
Wait no not hee
dire timber
also, guess it's canon that Talon troopers just use red helmets now
sacred hamlet
let me rewatch
warped glen
I'm saying the way it's setup
fringe blade
??
warped glen
Nvm hard to explain
fringe blade
76 is gay.
dire timber
Recall, Legacy, and Train Hopper have mot aged well in that regard
sacred hamlet
@last inlet I'm pretty sure it's the same kid
fringe blade
Maybe I am looking too deeply into this, but I feel like this guy will have to do something with healthpacks. They are seen in the video like 3-4 times
sacred hamlet
I believe the point is that Baptiste became what he most hated
Because it was his only choice
peak escarp
he's a support
fringe blade
Maybe he somehow affects the healthpacks?
peak escarp
of course he has something to do with healthpacks
dire timber
@sacred hamlet it IS Baptiste at the start; the kid just looks very similar to him
peak escarp
it was obvious from the start that he would be support
sacred hamlet
not a hybrid though
fringe blade
Honestly, and I might get hated for this, but his base character look feels very generic and non-interesting. In my opinion, anyway
sacred hamlet
who would've expected the DPS support hybrid
fringe blade
His story is intense though, I like that
sacred hamlet
@dire timber Is it really
dire timber
@fringe blade the healthpacks could just be flavor; lootboxes and training bots appeared in the comics, neither of which had any gameplay-related implications whatsoever
that's just what health packs used by medics in the OW world look like
fringe blade
True, but it feels a little excessive. Especially to put in right there in his hands in the end
It feels like they are implying something.
dire timber
didn't feel that way to me at all
fringe blade
Maybe I am crazy. Anyway, his story seems really cool, a lot to expand on. A little dissapointed on the base skin of him, though.
limpid agate
Talon and Omnic Crisis looks like 2 possible skins
sacred hamlet
His base skins looks fine to be honest
dire timber
yep
sacred hamlet
He looks a little ripped off from some other sources
but still looks great
has great potential for skins as well
fringe blade
It just feels like a mix and match of colors and heroes
sacred hamlet
they had to make him unique and he looks like it
so I think it's fine
better than the boring hologram lady that'll come next
fringe blade
I wouldn't call him unique, but that is just me. Orisa is unique. Doomfist is unique. This guy doesn't seem to have any features that tell him apart from the other heroes
sacred hamlet
i'd grow into him first
limpid agate
My first impression with this was bad.
But the rest of the origin short seemed good
Lots of good looking skin potential
But that icon looks like Gabriel Reyes with corn rows and Jack's eyeglass
sacred hamlet
hairstyle and glasses is definitely a weird choice
fringe blade
You mean the Talon outfit?
sacred hamlet
we're obviously getting one on Archives
no doubt
although it'd be cool if he kept the helmet
Maybe it would cause some glance issues but it would still be a cool design
fringe blade
Not necessarily. Heroes don't get new skins on the next event after their release. However, if he is part of a story mission, he will probs have a unique skin
sacred hamlet
Orisa got one for Archives
Brigitte got one for anniverssary
100% possible that he can get one for Archives
fringe blade
Wasn't Orisa's like part of the Story Mission, maybe I am wrong
limpid agate
sacred hamlet
Orisa was a OR-14
fringe blade
Yea
limpid agate
OR15
sacred hamlet
the purple one
fringe blade
So it was in the game already for the event, right?
limpid agate
Oh thats what you mean
sacred hamlet
Yes
fringe blade
Yea, I meant like the Talon skins or the Blackwatch skins
sacred hamlet
she was one of the final bosses in uprising
fringe blade
The skins used in a mission
limpid agate
The only Archives Mission skin that was not added by Archives was Reyes
sacred hamlet
yeah
clear remnant
Baptiste is hero 30, so that confirms a lot of things
sacred hamlet
that's why he'll most likely get the talon skin for archives
limpid agate
Orisa/Bastion, and the other 7 playable heroes all got their skins in Archives
Baptiste probably will too
clear remnant
Hopefully
limpid agate
Leaving that Omnic Crisis skin as highly likely, and 1 more
sacred hamlet
I doubt he'll get the Crisis skin though
clear remnant
Like Ashe did in the winter
sacred hamlet
it looks too similar to the Talon one
limpid agate
No it doesnt
sacred hamlet
are you gonna keep the hair the same though
sacred hamlet
and the hair
fringe blade
Maybe they would be interchangable
Like you know, how they release 2 versions of the same skin, but modified
limpid agate
fringe blade
They do look quite different though
limpid agate
Same hair. Bald.
sacred hamlet
to be honest it looks shinier
fringe blade
I doubt they would do that. They look very different tbh
limpid agate
Also keep in mind
Moira's Blackwatch outfit in her origin short and Archives saw changes
While Hammond's transition from Origin to Junker Skin didnt
sacred hamlet
Because Moira's was a copy of Mercy's suit lmao
limpid agate
It still is
limpid agate
Its still a Valkyrie suit
limpid agate
Thus, they will probably change his Talon skin too
Especially with the gun shown
Is a copy of the Talon Trooper rifle
sacred hamlet
I hope he wears the helmet
limpid agate
Which doesnt fit his gun's silhouette.
sacred hamlet
wouldn't mind cosplaying as a Talon Unit in-game
limpid agate
While the crisis gun has a (subtle because its cut off but visible) barrel
Like his standard gun
sacred hamlet
oh my god
limpid agate
Drum barrel
sacred hamlet
have you seen his Talon gun
limpid agate
I mean
sacred hamlet
that thing has a huge fucking barrel
limpid agate
Yes, its a copy of the grunts gun
sacred hamlet
looks like a giant silencer
valid shell
So was the body armor in the background of Moira's origin vid a tease for Baptiste?
limpid agate
Hmmm
sacred hamlet
pics
valid shell
heady vortex
dont think thats him
sacred hamlet
Agreed
limpid agate
But its also a 1.3 year old design
heady vortex
no c h u b
limpid agate
Even if it was him, it probably saw significant revision
valid shell
Weird thing is that it was added post-drawing.
limpid agate
Unless they show us an in development video, its probably impossible to tell
heady vortex
but hey at least another hero whose name people can pronounce
limpid agate
How do you pronounce it
sacred hamlet
I literally forget it every 10 seconds
limpid agate
Baptist, or Bapteest-eh.
sacred hamlet
Bep tst
limpid agate
There you go, not so obvious to pronounce.
sacred hamlet
For you
I'm just not able to memorize it
And I mean, Brigitte has always been Bridge It
ornate wigeon
What would his gun be like
sacred hamlet
Blizz just likes being inconsistent with pronunciations
last inlet
If it's french
sacred hamlet
Probably a nade launcher with ammo types
last inlet
Bap teest
sacred hamlet
see
last inlet
I don't know how Haitians pronounce it tho
sacred hamlet
same thing
ornate wigeon
I mean for brig I hear most people call her “Brig-eat-ah”
worthy rose
Brig-ee-tah
sacred hamlet
Bridge-It
ornate wigeon
Yea @worthy rose you did it better then I did
She has a voice line where she says it so you can’t really argue with it tbh
valid shell
It's the German pronunciation, because a German man named her.
sacred hamlet
Fucking Reinhardt stealing Torb's children
peak escarp
also unless my eyes deceive me, we have yet another Nesskain origin story
heady vortex
brig-ee-tah
bapteest
junior bronze
baguette
peak escarp
brig-ih-teh
boreal dragon
bridgette
peak escarp
I agree with bapteest though, that sounds right
maybe we'll finally get a Talon spray in the game
prisma wren
is the new teaser out?
hushed cloak
yee
prisma wren
anybody can point me to it?
peak escarp
check #overwatch-news
prisma wren
so its confirmed baptiste?
worthy rose
i'm guessing grenade launcher but hey anything is possible
limpid agate
Probably impact grenades of some sort. Or something that bursts on impact
Whats less obvious is... What's in the second drum? Bullets?
Is this the tommy gun I've been asking about?
peak escarp
looks like a grenade launcher
although it could be bullets for damage and grenades to heal
prisma wren
'well in the letter it said he was a good shot
limpid agate
Hard to tell
limpid agate
Hopefully
prisma wren
u want a tommy as well?
limpid agate
Yes. Though I wanted it for Max
hollow socket
prisma wren
i kinda think baptiste is gonna either have a tommy a grenade launcher or a gun like ashe
vast basin
Is Baptiste gonna have the delivering healthpacks idea
prisma wren
whens he supposed to come out on the ptr
limpid agate
🤷
peak escarp
they haven't said
prisma wren
awww
peak escarp
some time this week, probably
sacred hamlet
Most likely tomorrow
Like all PTR patches
Or maybe it's Thursdays when they release the stuf
I get those two confused
limpid agate
Its random for PTR
sacred hamlet
You mean both then
limpid agate
I mean its random
sacred hamlet
'Cause I've never seen a PTR patch outside of those two days
limpid agate
We've gotten them on every day of the week
sacred hamlet
I don't remember that so
peak escarp
Brigitte was put on PTR on a Wednesday
sacred hamlet
Still hopes on tomorrow since 1 day after is normal for March releases
limpid agate
No
Same day is normal
This is the first time we didnt get same day outside Blizzcon
sacred hamlet
Isn't that the common for June releases
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
I remember Orisa's Origin popping up on March the 2nd
and being released on the PTR the next day
Brig as well
sacred hamlet
Like always 😦
Except for the DPS Medic though
That drops healthpacks
has different kinds of ammo
completely accurate prediction by yours truly
limpid agate
So you've seen his gamepaly kit?
sacred hamlet
Have you seen the amount of medpacks that man carries
sacred hamlet
and the liquid inside the tubes in his nade launcher
Nope
Just a
raw prediction
limpid agate
How do you know the liquid isnt a buff
Its the same colour as Lucio SPeed
You can't say you got that right when its still unconfirmed
sacred hamlet
I'm not confirming
I'm just saying
Get ready to swallow your own doubt tomorrow
It coming home
worthy rose
hey yall know about the new ''Soldier 30''
peak escarp
you're about 3 hours late, Pug
sacred hamlet
He's a good looking boy with a good looking heart
worthy rose
Ugh dang it
I found some clues
might be helpful
in the map paris, behind a lucio ball next to that door everyone thinks will open
is 2 starts
behind it
im trying to figure it out.
sacred hamlet
Can we already conclude Baptiste orientation off the trailer
and I mean like
DnD orientation
valid shell
?
sacred hamlet
Is he a chaotic boy
peak escarp
you mean alignment
sacred hamlet
Yes
worthy rose
also when you fire at the globe near objective b it makes your fire power stronger only when you shoot at it
valid shell
You mean Alignment.
peak escarp
he is very chaotic
peak escarp
not evil
worthy rose
I think it will be a healer with a assault rifle
peak escarp
he wants to help people
worthy rose
like soldier 76 but its a healer
valid shell
He's been announced.
valid shell
XD
valid shell
No no, you're getting dragged.
valid shell
sacred hamlet
@peak escarp What made you think he wants to help people though
sacred hamlet
Actually I still don't get his connection to Talon
Why did he join Talon in the first place
valid shell
Watch his trailer.
sacred hamlet
I did
valid shell
It's all explained.
sacred hamlet
He says choices a lot
peak escarp
because in the trailer he says he's going to fight for a better world
valid shell
His only choice out of his situation (probably post-Crisis Haiti) was to enlist with Talon.
He didn't have any other options.
peak escarp
evil guys don't fight for a better world
worthy rose
welp
i knew it
it would be a knock-off brand of 76 and would be a healer though.
lol.
sacred hamlet
@valid shell That's the lie he told himself.
valid shell
And he believed it at the time.
Which is why he joined. And now he's un-joined.
@worthy rose Where are you getting that he's a knock-off 76?
Other than "man with gun".
sacred hamlet
So he's a kid with a rough childhood who went bad 'cause bad only option, but now he's good because he realized he is what he most hated.
Yo at least it's not Ashe's backstory.
We cool.
dense estuary
He believed the sales pitch. Like how some kids have joined street gangs and then leave to do better after some time in the slammer.
Also Talon probably was an assured three hots and a roof
sacred hamlet
I mean who wouldn't. In that situation, you take what you can get.
Still pretty generic though.
Which is fine by OW's standards
worthy rose
Interestingly, this hero is just a veteran redshirt with a good gun.
valid shell
We don't even know if his gun is significant.
prisma wren
i hope he has something to do with archives
worthy rose
Nothing really unique about him besides that he left Talon.
valid shell
@prisma wren He probably will.
prisma wren
hehehe
dense estuary
OW is basically like a super hero setting. The origins will reliably check off expected tropes.
valid shell
We're likely getting a Talon mission.
prisma wren
yayyyy
valid shell
Pre-Reaper and Moira, ofc.
prisma wren
well im off
valid shell
Well, arguably pre-Moira. She might have been a mole.
sacred hamlet
Would Moira really show up in the Talon Archives mission
prisma wren
see you guys around
sacred hamlet
I was expecting Baptiste, Sombra, Doom and Reaper
sacred hamlet
So Baptiste's taking the role of the leader
valid shell
Maybe?
valid shell
This is before Akande killed Akinjide.
And what do you mean? Nobody had "AoE damage" in Retribution.
valid shell
And in this instance we would have Doomfist's ult.
sacred hamlet
McCree as well
valid shell
Anyways, mechanical team composition isn't quite lore.
I'm talking moreso what makes sense in the timeframe.
sacred hamlet
It's just a theory really
valid shell
So no Reaper or Moira.
sacred hamlet
Who would be the fourth character then
valid shell
Doomfist, Sombra, Widowmaker, Baptiste.
sacred hamlet
Oh true Widow
valid shell
Doomfist, Sombra, and Widowmaker in their Talon skins, and Baptiste in a Talon goon skin.
sacred hamlet
I think this hints even more at Baptiste being the main AoE damage dealer in the mission
Most of them are single target
but yeah most likely we'll get those
I even suspect stealth if you ask me
worthy rose
I doubt that a group of elite Talon fighters, some of which are on the council, would take along a random recruit on an important mission.
sacred hamlet
With both Widow and Sombra being there
sacred hamlet
Baptiste
ornate wigeon
Wait are you guys talking about the bosses or who you can play?
sacred hamlet
That's what he means I think
worthy rose
At the time, that was Baptiste.
valid shell
Baptiste has been talked up as being an amazing shot and uncommonly resourceful.
I'm sure he'd have proven himself by then.
worthy rose
Still not unique enough.
sacred hamlet
Yeah to be honest it sounds improbable that Baptiste would go alongside the other Talon members in an important mission
but since he's new Blizz is definitely promoting him there
it would be too hard of a miss
worthy rose
If he was that good, he would probably have risen far enough that he'd have a really tough time getting out.
sacred hamlet
@valid shell You'd have to assume he was that good before the mission happened.
It's a shot in the dark
ornate wigeon
^ agreeing with @valid shell there
valid shell
We can literally see his loadout changing throughout his origins vid as he distinguishes himself.
He loses his helmet and normal equipment and gains a communication relay thing on his back as he proves himself as a field medic.
worthy rose
He is a good fighter, but if he was good enough to go on a important secret mission that long ago, how is he not near council level when he leaves?
worthy rose
It isn't a secret once the bombs start going off.
valid shell
You're forgetting: He's an Overwatch hero. He's encoded to be uniquely talented and capable.
This isn't really debatable.
It's standard fare for anyone playable.
worthy rose
Actually, I can see how he will be in Archives.
He goes along on this mission, his first with the really big people in Talon, and has his revelation.
But that wouldn't be in the past, would it?
valid shell
It would have to be, for everyone else to make sense.
Honestly, Akinjide might actually be the final boss of the mission, and the mission might be Akande's coup to become the Doomfist.
worthy rose
That actually makes a lot of sense.
DF goes to kill his master and takes along a rising star in Talon.
valid shell
Baptiste could come along on false promises from a brother that Akande's trying to bring down Talon. Sombra comes along because she's Sombra. And if somehow Akande gets his hands on Widowmaker's leash, then she's on board.
worthy rose
Sombra would come along if she thinks Akande is stronger.
Baptiste is implied to still be believing that Talon is something that he has to be in.
Doesn't need to be tricked.
sacred hamlet
So on Uprising the Final Bosses are a bunch of OR-14s; Retribution is a bunch of Heavy Gunning Terrorists (basically Orisas all over again); and on whatever the fuck the last mission is named, we're killing the 2nd Doomfist himself.
worthy rose
Possibly.
sacred hamlet
Nicu idea, but good fucking luck programming a functional Doomfist AI
worthy rose
And Retribution was only two of them, with no time limit.
And no barriers.
And a Reinhardt charge.
sacred hamlet
Which made the last 4 minutes of that hell show a ring a round the rousey game
worthy rose
Anyway, that's the theory I'm going with.
sacred hamlet
Legendary Retribution is fucked up.
worthy rose
Basically run away constantly?
sacred hamlet
And I think it's gonna be problematic to program a Doomfist AI that won't get stuck on some corner of the map.
Who are you talking about
worthy rose
The old doomfist probably works differently.
sacred hamlet
Possibly.
worthy rose
Especially if they said he could level a skyscraper.
sacred hamlet
But it's Blizzard so there's that great possibility they'll recycle his current moves.
Doomfist stories are fairytales
In fact we don't even know what happened between the First and Second Doomfist
worthy rose
I'd be expecting a classic boss battle with powerful, slow-charging attacks.
sacred hamlet
First Doomfist is a Omnic Crisis savior
A hero of the people
Then some asshole takes the glove and terrorizes Numbani
worthy rose
Probably Talon assassinated the first one.
sacred hamlet
No mentioning of it, but it's possible.
I also find confusing why they even have Banners of the Doomfists in the first place
peak escarp
because there was going to be a museum exhibit
sacred hamlet
The Savior is clearly an image of peace for them, but they still hang up Banners of the person who terrorized them for decades
Still
It's just weird how much they honor the Doomfist Legacy
peak escarp
it's the same as all those documentaries and specials about various despots
sacred hamlet
No Doomfist's been at least morally half-decent since the first one
Well, they're usually depicted badly.
As unbiased as possible most of the time
But badly
Numbani doesn't appear to feel that way about Akinjide and Akande.
wraith zealot
now there are more questions than answers in the lore
biggest one ı have is
why sombra is hacking into talon archives to find this guy
he doesnt seem to have a big important thing like volskaya had or much resources to help her (altho we dont know much about him yet) and cant see connections to anyone other than talon soldier
what do you guys think
limpid agate
There is no reason to ask why Sombra is hacking things
She said it herself
Its an addiction
peak escarp
she does it because she can
tawny patio
Bc he was never actually found tbh
At least by anyone not mia
If she does it for Talon that helps sit her better with them
And if she does it for herself she has an ally that can escape Talon
Ya know
The group whose back she went behind to get her meeting in Volskaya and would have reason to call her a traitor and hunt her
Also could just be a rainy day and she was bored 
peak escarp
hi-res versions are up
so if he's about 10 during the Crisis, Baptiste should be in his 40s?
he could be younger, I can't tell
peak escarp
yeah, that's just the art style
worthy rose
Is he a talon member?
limpid agate
Was
fathom pollen
peak escarp
when did we learn this?
last inlet
How does he not look like he's in his 30s???
iron plume
so much for the misdirect
tawny patio
mood^
Tbh just by looking at that picture
I could barely tell you a difference from Soldier
fringe blade
I think a voodoo skin would be dope
dense estuary
outfit and the gun look totally different, no way to confuse with soldier.
Heavy Pulse Rifle is bigger and boxier also no drum mag
tawny patio
big gun
Visor that is presumably for aim
Small canister-resembling healing thing
I dunno....looks a lot like soldier
Except with a bigger gun and he’s now from Haiti
long wren
drum mag kinda scaring me
my guy look like an lmg or grenade launcher
that drops health packs
valid shell
It's definitely a Milkor-esque grenade launcher.
silent nymph
Woke up to see the reveal. Boy this is what I wanted to see!
burnt crater
Baptiste main btw
fringe blade
Baptiste feels like a strange name. People will find it hard to pronounce in game
Its like calling Hammy 'Wrecking Ball'
valid shell
What is Brigitte?
vast basin
It's a type of bread from France!
worthy rose
sup guys, quick question. Do yal have a link for everything lore related to overwatch? Like comics, videos, all that good stuff?
peak escarp
check the pins on this channel
desert yacht
i know this is really nitpicky but
the bottom pin isn't
fully updated
bottom 2 aren't
iron plume
3
desert yacht
that's what i meant
desert yacht
yea
pretty sure we just need Baptiste, Ashe, Reunion, and Shooting Star
oh and Bastet
teal meadow
So Baptiste was a talon agent that regretted joining it?
trail axle
Yes. He secretly hated being edgy
dense estuary
seems like Talon had a good sales pitch right after the crisis. Go to crappy areas of the world and recruit with promises of doing the greater good and probably some fortune and glory added on.
iron plume
possibly with a "take revenge on those who caused this" side too
since the devastation in the first place was caused by the crisis
trail axle
Looking forward to his in game “interaction” with current Talon members like Doomfist, Moira, Reaper etc
iron plume
don't hold your breath, they usually come out staggered
because you need recordings from the other VAs
sacred hamlet
Another 3 heroes will have been released by the time he gets all of his Talon Interactions
That how it work with Blizzard
Most confusing thing even is that they bothered recording one miserable Interaction for Winston and Hammond and then decided to leave it at that and not make more.
I honestly don't understand why Blizzard even tries.
iron plume
Well you're right on the "I honestly don't understand" part
regal coyote
but it does seem talon is taking care of its own at least
you see them agents actually earning good gold and having a good life
and in its daerk ways it is probably improving lives of its allied terratory
so it is a gang yes
a secret society
tranquil sun
the Volskaya mission was definitely Widowmaker's fault
she could've easily leaned an inch to the right
worthy rose
their mistake was to rely on sombra
umbral fiber
Sooooo who's got bets on Baptiste lore?
worthy rose
im sure he will get a comic once he's fully released
dire timber
@umbral fiber what bets?
it's pretty much agreed on that Baptiste is going to be part of the next Archives mission, along with Doomfist, Widowmaker, and Sombra
I do wonder whether Reyes and Moira will be referenced in some way
I suspect it will be set 7 years in the past, the same year as Uprising
@valid shell theorized that the mission is going to be the team helping Akande get rid of Adeyemi
in which case, it would probably be set in Numbani
dire timber
I still wish they reworked Uprising to include Retribution-style loading screen and intro
and adjusted OR-14 mechanics to be more lore-accurate
it's not like alternate abilities are anything new; they got it to work just fine in Lucioball and Mei's Snowball Offensive
keep Fortify and make them use it whenever Rein charges at them from a large distance, remove Halt! and Supercharger completely
maybe keep the shields
uneven python
So how does everyone already know about Baptiste before he got announced ?
Was he in a comic that I might have missed ?
sacred hamlet
Teaser released in the 21
umbral fiber
We have his origin story and first look at his in-game model
iron plume
that's the announcement
he's asking where people heard of him before
he was mentioned in this doc https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/22905586
dire timber
@uneven python there was a tease on Twitter
it featured the doc posted by @iron plume
and his origin trailer dropped some 12 hours ago
reef thicket
ngl
the moment i saw that in my youtube home page
i just thought of brigitte
I actually thought it was brigittes origin trailer in my recommended for some reason xD
he just feels really like her to me with the big bulky armour etc
just ofc without a shield and flail
still looks cool af though, i really hope he gets a Talon legendary skin
of the like
solider or something similar
coral blade
when is his abilities being revealed
limpid agate
If he does get a Talon skin it will be with Archives
reef thicket
Ehh
i'd vote agaisnt that considering
Ana got Overwatch/Horus skin as a normal legendary
which was technically a lore skin
limpid agate
That was before Archives existed
Look at Moira who had the skin in her trailer just like Baptiste
reef thicket
oh
tru
i just hope baptise gets some cool legendary skins
Ashe's legendaries were
... ugly to say the least (imo)
inland saffron
What type of hero do you guys think Baptiste will be?
reef thicket
support
dps/support hybrid probably
excited to see what his gun actually does
aswell as what his alt is
ult*
worthy rose
A main heals debuff character towards tanks
sacred hamlet
I suspect a Rambo Legendary and some Voodo one people were asking for
and obviously the Talon one we're getting on April
reef thicket
Ye probably
iron plume
Due to how they are made, there likely won't be many for a start
worthy rose
Bah-teeest. Good to know.
queen sable
uneven python
Isn't it pronounced without the P and E at the end ? Like Batist
tawny onyx
I liked Ashe gangster skin
I saw the orgin trailer yesterday did it just dropped yesterday
reef thicket
Baaaaaaaaaa 🐑 teeeth
fossil isle
im suspecting Baptiste will have a hitscan primary assault weapon. He has a gun bipod, which makes me think one of his abilities is plopping down somewhere focusing heavy damage on an enemy kinda like a sniper/Bastion hybrid. Idk what his healing mechanic is, maybe sort of like an Ana 'nade or Brigitte health pack that he throws out?
flint briar
Well his gun is shaped like a grenade launcher, more or less
fossil isle
^^ I was thinking that too
flint briar
Hitscan with splash damage would be interesting to see
fossil isle
like his gun could either be an rifle or a grenade launcher. so kinda like a Pharah/Junkrat with splash damage
and can alternate between damage and healing but unlike Ana, it's either primary fire or secondary fire. Maybe that big barrel on his gun revolves between healing and damage?
flint briar
Perhaps, yea
reef thicket
horned origin story look?
peak escarp
but that wasn't a Talon look
reef thicket
the only possible skins we could've gotten from that cinematic
is
Lab coat moira
blackwatch moira (we got)
and default moira (we got obviously)
i really hope the next archives is based around Torb/Brig/Rein/Bastion
dont think we've heard much from them in quite awhile
flint briar
That would be cool, buts its likely going to be focused on Talon
dire timber
@peak escarp it could be
she could've kept her Valkyrie suit when she teamed up with Talon
reef thicket
valkyrie suit?
iron plume
the "horns" are part of her valkyrie suit
regal coyote
trust me people are gonna mispronounce it, like torb and brig
no one gonna go with the whole name
its gonna be torb/torby, brig, and bap/baptist
peak escarp
it's not that hard once we hear an official pronunciation
dire timber
bap
granite gazelle
Bap
half shell
iron plume
bautista bomb
stable nacelle
Haques
worthy rose
What is the Iris?
limpid agate
Good question
All we know is that it is the subject of Omnic Faith
It is also speculated to be related to the entity that found Sombra.
But that's just speculation. We know little about the Iris
dire timber
the Shambali and their followers seem to believe that the Iris is some kind of nondescript entity, place, or state of being, trough which omnics and humans alike can achieve enlightment
I could swear there was a statement that Chu made that described Shambali beliefs about the Iris in a more specific way... hmm.
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Shambali
sacred hamlet
Didn't someone confirm that Zen's abilities in-game are completely non-canon which makes him an useless asset in battle.
peak escarp
he's a monk
sacred hamlet
Or maybe magic in OW really exists and The Iris is a real entity, which explains why Bastion is a special boy and why Orisa loves pointing out that she's seen the Iris when she dies.
peak escarp
what does he need to fight for?
iron plume
he also can fight physically and has some form of telekinesis
dire timber
@limpid agate ah, that
iron plume
so even if discord isn’t a thing he can more than hold his own
dire timber
I think I was the one who added the "can a achieve a higher state of being" line
and added that reference
sacred hamlet
Would telekinesis be a scientific ability or a magical one
iron plume
everything in ow is science/technology based in some form
quasi siren
Genji and Hanzo dragons?
sacred hamlet
Nanobots son
dire timber
I mean, anti-grav tech is incredibly commonplace
sacred hamlet
Or maybe the same shit Symmetra uses for her balls
dire timber
it's present in almost literally every car
so it's not like making things move in the air would be a big deal at all
limpid agate
copper moat
Damn a lot of abilities
vernal gyro
so which one is his ult
copper moat
Looks like the
vernal gyro
immortal field?
vernal gyro
he have so many ability lol wtf
copper moat
The crouch things seems like a lot
peak escarp
Amplification Field is his ult
sacred hamlet
It's great to know there's a character in the game who literally makes people immortal now
vernal gyro
who neez res when you dont die
copper moat
Really? O.o
copper moat
Doctor you sure
sacred hamlet
@peak escarp Is it confirmed his Ult is the amp wall
copper moat
That does not look like an ult
sacred hamlet
it better be
peak escarp
yes, that's what I just said
sacred hamlet
Double damage and double healing on a Basic Ability is fucking ridiculous
copper moat
Usually the icon. Is descriptive of what the character is like
peak escarp
Baptiste is a battle-hardened combat medic who wields an assortment of experimental devices and weaponry to keep allies alive and eliminate his enemies. Baptiste’s Biotic Launcher fires a three-round-burst that rewards accuracy and recoil control with significant damage output. His alternate fire lobs grenades that heal allies near the point of impact. With Regenerative Burst , Baptiste activates an intense surge that heals himself and nearby allies over time. When danger is near, Baptiste can toss out his Immortality Field to prevent allies from dying. Baptiste moves around the battlefield with Exo Boots , jumping over obstacles and clearing distances that would stop other heroes. Baptiste deploys his Amplification Matrix as his ultimate, which doubles the damage and healing effects of friendly projectiles.
copper moat
Like whole hog
sacred hamlet
His kit is crazy and all
copper moat
Oh interesting
sacred hamlet
But I question how any of this makes sense for his character
sacred hamlet
I was expecting the basic generic Medic who heals with bandaids and shit
hallow plinth
oof
sacred hamlet
yet he's literally making people immortal while healing them by closing his fists
copper moat
Yea the immortality field is just a weird ability
peak escarp
he's activating his tech by using gestures
copper moat
That seems like a bit much for an ability
peak escarp
that's not that weird
vernal gyro
oh yea
quasi siren
That's what I thought when I saw it
copper moat
Like. That thing is huge
Then this little robot comes out and puts down a wall or something?
For an ultimate?
quasi siren
Yea
quasi siren
But you got to think how powerful that wall is despite its size
last inlet
His antideath is destructible
copper moat
Maybe if it had like. A dome shape thatd be more reliable and interesting. Because a wall just seems like itd be good for chokes. But i do see the wall going to be a helpful thing
The wall makes him a 3 star difficulty most likely.
last inlet
He is
copper moat
He is i kno
copper moat
Now that i look at it more
I see the amplication field looks like an ult
Like the wall colors and details
last inlet
Immortal looks like a basic ability. In this world of Rez as E
copper moat
I just wish the icon was more.. Baptiste related. Such as d.va with her bunny and lucio with his frog. And roadhog with whole hog. Winston with his glasses
limpid agate
I posted it here for the story
regal coyote
ok from the story we know his healing type grenade is probably lore
but what else
he surely can have a nade launcher since that is only a weapon
the rest is not seen in lore, bothe the jump and field and immportality
copper moat
Well all healers seem to be trying to be immortal.
It seems to be a new type of energy
tawny patio
Immortality could work similar to defense matrix in lore theoretically
copper moat
True. I think its a new energy possibly.
tawny patio
Defense matrix just kinda
Shot everything before it could be a threat or smth
copper moat
Yea.
long ermine
we know that regular talon operatives dont have the backpack
but we dont know anything about the backpack in lore so
winter finch
i dont understand why blizzard made soldier 76 and tracer gay
does this affect gameplay?
regal coyote
not sure if immortal is lore
but the gun is and healing is, he is combat medic also
not sure if regeneration is lore either
dire timber
immortality field is basically just shields so
regal coyote
not sure if shield or matrix
but one thin interesting in this whole bapt lore thing, talon seem to be treating its staff quite well really
even as a grunt he is well paid and well treated
quasi siren
Moira being straight doesn't affect anything and y'all aren't complaining about that
slow goblet
We don’t know for sure Moira’s straight.
They weren’t “made gay” they were revealed to be gay. They’re still the characters you know and love
umbral fiber
Baptist weapons
Talon payroll
Moira's sexuality
One of these things is not like the other....
quasi siren
Lmfao
umbral fiber
But if we're going to go down that route, behold - the bastard love child of Moira and Sombra https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/genlock/images/7/7e/Val_gL_Suit_ProfilePic.png
What, no previews?
iron plume
yes, no previews
dire timber
uh
iron plume
the server magically detects shitposts and doesn't embed them
dire timber
what's that about Moira out of a sudden?
iron plume
¯_(ツ)_/¯
someone brought up her being straight out of nowhere
which 1, we don't know
2, why not use someone we do
umbral fiber
Yeah, anyway, back to rich mooks
regal coyote
can we be back to the new lore stuff like talon and bapt, srsly why all of a sudden people care about what moira wants to mount anyways.
tawny patio
Ana is straight
regal coyote
not sure how that relates to lore but in testing that immortality drone thing seem to be quite fiinicky
also ahve quite limited height of its effective range
but this would only mean something if the drone itself is lore
(yes we know ana / torb is confirrmed straight thanks, lets move on)\
peak escarp
they're not confirmed straight
dense estuary
tbh I picture Moira being kinda "lonely" with minimal romantic ticks. preferring her nights in the lab doing more "mad science".
admittedly not mad science to her though
regal coyote
moira is not mad, though she might be free of moral constraint
so she is not going on mad biased nazi science, it is just that she would happily bypass oral codes if needed be
pastel steppe
So somewhat sociopathic?
regal coyote
sure
slow goblet
Yeah. It depends on whether she was born like that or it’s a learned behaviour, but she does act more like a sociopath than a psychopath
pastel steppe
I was wondering is the immortality field 1 shot like sombra's translator?
Like destroyed in 1 hit
slow goblet
I reckon it would have to be. Though it looks a lot bulkier than the translocator
dense estuary
Ends justify the means would probably describe her methods of science
last inlet
Immortal drone has like 250 HP or something. Anyway
Uh, does anyone know if he's just speaking French or...?
worthy rose
He’s Haitian so probably
peak escarp
maybe Haitian Creole
last inlet
I wish he had more voice lines.
peak escarp
he will
peak escarp
they usually take a week to add cosmetics
last inlet
Yep. Just gotta wait
pastel steppe
I actually need a Talon skin for him during the archive events
last inlet
See if his voice lines are in another language
He'll maybe get one for Archives
During the evnt
stoic quiver
when is archives comming?
peak escarp
April
stoic quiver
👍
peak escarp
probably April 9 with a preview the week before (maybe during an OWL broadcast again)
dense estuary
Dev Update
https://youtu.be/akplvZwGJZI
iron plume
yeah
there's not much about his story though
dawn halo
What can unify all of the characters despite obvious divisions?
dense estuary
some probably nothing, Others possibly another crisis
dense estuary
some of the Talon folks probably would always be Talon. the independents another crisis which would probably trigger the UN making Overwatch legal again
dawn halo
Is it spilling over the Second Omnic Crisis out of Russia?
peak escarp
yeah
dense estuary
Now people like D.Va are a wild card, She is potentially OW material but if another Omnic Crisis erupted her first loyalty would be to the Korean Army.
dawn halo
How does the South Korean Army play into this?
And Doctor_Six, there is a three decade time gap between the first and second Omnic Crisis, this will give countries time to adapt to what the omnic could unleash, including Overwatch tactics.
dawn halo
I know MEKA is apart of this.
dawn halo
So are you meaning it'll be the first crisis over again but more modern and more deadly?
dawn halo
In your opinion, is the Omnic Crisis the Third World War?
peak escarp
pretty much
it seemed to be a global conflict with that level of casualties
30 million orphans and all
dawn halo
We finally agree on something, and I think the casualties are at least one billion, probably higher because it takes place some time ahead of our current world. And the world population is nearing 8 billion as of now.
And through statements, until Overwatch, only Russia was able to hold them back, and the omnics could have done a ton of atrocities with numbers many times worse than the Nazi's have done. Supporting the potential casualty count, both military and civilian.
peak escarp
we've been agreeing the whole time
dawn halo
👏
dense estuary
a second crisis could even result in some weapon that is morally questioned decades later
dawn halo
Is it an EMP weapon or a fusion bomb?
dense estuary
say something that directly attacks omnics but is not discriminate between ones who want to kill all humans and ones who dont.
admittedly that does drift rather close to the atomic bomb or the destroy option in Mass Effect 3
peak escarp
possibly, if they wanted to take the parallel with WWII even further
dawn halo
Then how do you take care of the God Programs if it attacks omnics directly?
dense estuary
destroy or corrupt the main processing of the God programs
networked systems are vulnerable to attack and if you can attack the main systems possibly even send the virus if you will out to all "clients"
Now in Pharah's comic we see the programs can take control of omnics, The only thing we do not know is are they being overridden or formatted with new programming.
override would mean the core original omnic intelligence is there but its now a passenger in its own frame. formatted for new programming would be basically flashing the firmware deleting the original core programming.
dawn halo
That flows into my next point, for the Second Omnic Crisis to spillover into neighboring countries, Talon (Mostly Sombra) has to break the programs free to take control of more omnics beyond Russia's borders.
And probably the GP controls omnics via overriding them due to Bastion having a Vietnam Omnic Crisis flashback through one of his fallen comrade's remains.
peak escarp
Okoro (the omnic in Pharah's squad) was able to maintain enough control to destroy his own brain/harddrive before the program fully took over, so I think it's more like a hijacker virus
dawn halo
Omnics are unpredictable, and God Programs may as well be too, such as Anubis being a hijacker virus type GP while the GP's in Central Europe override omnic programming.
dense estuary
I have held a theory/head canon that Omnics actually have a hard wired override system, dating back to the original Omnica Corporation designs. A system that would have let Omnica override one in an emergency. God Programs learned to exploit that an Okoro was in that situation but without the core processor the override also does not work and so Okoro fed it a bullet.
I mean if you build a bunch of bots as a big corporation odds are you will slip a back door in there somewhere
peak escarp
we don't know enough about AIs like Anubis to really be sure
dawn halo
Two words; omnics adapt.
peak escarp
a sample size of 1 is not very good to base your knowledge on
dawn halo
God Programs very well could have diverse methods to take control of hundreds of omnics.
dawn halo
Most Omnic Crisis lore we know of is few and far in between.
white cobalt
i want to know if baptiste's grenade launcher is talon made or custom made specially for him
Could be means Moira is using Mercy tech like ana nade
dawn halo
No canon sources, but theres also a third option Baptiste could have to obtain the Biotic launcher, he could have created it himself.
We don't know what he has gone through between the Omnic Crisis, joining Talon, and betraying Talon to be certain how he obtained it.
However it's likely to be expanded upon in a few months.
olive karma
There is little known. How is his name pronounced?
dawn halo
It's probably that you need to know Haitian Creole or French to pronounce it right as Baptiste is Haitian.
dawn halo
Problem solved.
olive karma
Lol
peak escarp
Twitter
iron plume
okay uh no
worn solar
Excuse me