Does this interaction seem a bit weird to you guys?
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
weird how?
worthy rose
Idk, I'm re-reading this and does it seem like Sombra is a bit more fearful? not of Zarya but of the bigger thing
rustic light
Zarya found her name prior to that?
Yeah she is fearful because Sombra made sure to delete everything about herself
Olivia took her by surprise
worthy rose
no not that part
that is weird but her line
"There's something bigger going on. It will affect everyone. Everything."
This part makes her sound much more fearful, like yea it's a surprise that Zarya knew her first name but idk if i'm just reading it weirdly or something but Sombra seems scared or fearful
peak escarp
Sombra was so afraid of whatever found her that she deleted her entire identity
being fearful and paranoid fits Sombra's MO
rustic light
Yeah she likes to have the cards so someone being ahead of her would scare her
worthy rose
So like in typical "Illuminati fiction" would we be able to guess that Chairwoman Volskya is a part of Sombra's Conspriacy/illuminati?
worthy rose
Let me rephrase
So the Illuminati in most fiction that I read (Which is like comic books but bear with me) is seemingly made up of powerful individuals who are wealthy or control a lot of power
limpid agate
Then no
rustic light
He is using illuminati as the red eye thing
limpid agate
Sombra just wanted to control Volskaya
The only "illuminati" thing is the eye, which Sombra links to Talon the most directly
As well as the omega omnic from First Strike we never met
rustic light
I thought Volskaya was related?
worthy rose
Chairwoman Volskya is the most powerful woman in russia; With Zarya knowing Sombra's real name, which presumably is the only thing that knows is the red eye or the "sombra conspiracy/illuminati, can we presume that Chair woman Volskya is a part of said illuminati?
limpid agate
Alejandra is the most common guess as to where she got the name from
I'm sure Sombra doesn't introduce herself as Sombra when she goes shopping for food
rustic light
You'd think she'd make a fake name, but I feel Sombra could've left her guard down for Alejandra
limpid agate
She had a name before she became Sombra
She only became Sombra in the past few years
We dont know when she killed Olivia Colomar
But I highly doubt she was introducing herself as a child as Sombra
worthy rose
So her early days of hacking, when she didn't come up with the alias, she most likely told Alejandra or when buying groceries or whatever she needed, she told her real name?
rustic light
But she was already Sombra when Alejandra wasn't born yet, or at least, a baby judging by her Talon skin
worthy rose
@peak escarp can u pull out the time line?
limpid agate
Also Talon is ~8 years old
Give or take a couple years
Probably more recent
I'd wager 6-8.
rustic light
Wasn't the Blackwatch Retribution event like 10 years ago?
rustic light
I thought Uprising was the 8 one
limpid agate
7
rustic light
Oh makes sense
limpid agate
Remember the times when people aggressively fought the suggestion that he couldn't possibly be a small harmless animal.
rustic light
Funnily enough someone had theorized he was a hamster weeks prior and people kept thinking it was a monkey
limpid agate
Granted my expectation was a cat, but I was always more keen on small harmless animal overall
And saying he cannot possibly be a monkey
rustic light
Cat was likely since actual irl gorillas have had pet cats
I think they only went with a hamster because of the hamster ball looking meka fitting it more
fringe blade
Remember when people thought Alejandra was Sombra
rustic light
Remember when Ana's Shrike skin was how Sombra would look
limpid agate
It was from Hero/the ARG
People thought Sombra was everyone
Ana, Shrike, Alejandra
Etc
rustic light
I kinda miss the ARG
it was so fun to translate the lumerico website
finally knowing spanish was useful
fringe blade
They mafe it SOOOO long
rustic light
ARGs are good, it was just badly executed
fringe blade
Yep
worthy rose
Hey so like
What is that "Take a breather" thing that Roadhog uses
like genuinely what is that
limpid agate
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worthy rose
thanks!
fringe blade
What is the extent of Symmetras powers?
limpid agate
We dont know
valid shell
Powers?
fringe blade
They feel extremely underused
valid shell
In what context?
limpid agate
I think they are asking, what are the limits of her hard light manipulation
In which, we dont know
fringe blade
Yes
valid shell
She outplayed and nonlethally neutralized multiple hostiles in close quarters.
fringe blade
fringe blade
limpid agate
She can build entire city infrastructure in minutes (or was it seconds?), can energy drain, and can create teleportation. We dont know her limits. Her tech seems to be more along the lines of whatever the writer wants, kinda like the Green Lantern. Hence why I keep comparing Vishkar to the corps
It has no consistent rules
Not that weve seen
valid shell
Or Mass Effect. It's just a vague God-technology that can do anything.
worthy rose
I think the limit of her hard light manipulation is the limits of physics/the limits of atom manipulation so let me explain.
Carbon can be rearranged something from the lines of graphite to actual diamond. If she can make structures and knows the exact ratios or how strong or secure joins have to be, then the literal limits would be her imagination.
valid shell
Am I ever not? 😂
fringe blade
Wasn't she revealed to suffer from Autism?
fringe blade
Yea.
valid shell
Yes, Symmetra is Autistic.
worthy rose
!!loreheroes symmetra
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limpid agate
Whether its 1 teleport or 50. She has made a teleport.
We dont know the limitations of the power of hard light
valid shell
We don't even know what Hard Light is.
lean prawn
they built an entire city out of that shit, but do we know to what extent of the city is hard light?
fringe blade
This is really offtopic, but how does Lucio's weapon work exactly
worthy rose
no idea
worthy rose
Are talon soldiers former blackwatch soldiers or does McCree happen to just mess up a lot of Talon operations?
limpid agate
harnesses sound to create hard light synethesia
There are former Blackwatch troops in Talon
valid shell
We don't know if Gabe brought some goons with him to Talon, or if out-of-work Blackwatch agents naturally fell into Talon.
worthy rose
besides them knowing mccree, how do we know they're blackwatch agents?
valid shell
Flip a couple pages back in that comic.
rustic light
I think they fell into talon
worthy rose
mb sorry reading too fast thanks
but wouldn't Reaper just train talon goons the same way he taught blackwatch?
fringe blade
IIRC, There was like a GameGrumps video that talked how unrealistic Lucio's gun physics are
valid shell
Possible, but the fact that they're using Blackwatch tactics and recognize McCree with familiarity in the same comic heavily suggests they're ex-Blackwatch.
limpid agate
Considering someone also recognized him
^
McCree also doesnt seem to be leaving survivors
worthy rose
do we have an australian map?
limpid agate
...
worthy rose
Sorry it's like 1:36 and I'm like all kinds of tired
limpid agate
You're joking, right?
worthy rose
and i'm re-reading some lore and I'm like looking at sydney
and i'm thinking "this would make a nice map"
forgot junkertown sorry
Huh
How many Titan class Omnics do we know of?
limpid agate
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limpid agate
Has a list
slow goblet
Well we see one of the Omnic Ninjas in Dragons
worthy rose
yea but like you'd think we'd see the other two, they're damn massive.
Also
Is there something in St. Petersburg and what recent lapses does Doomfist mean? if we know that is
peak escarp
St. Petersburg is where Volskaya Industries is
Sombra is implying that Widowmaker failed the mission because she missed her shot
recent lapses is probably just off-screen Talon grunts being screw ups
worthy rose
Sorry maybe I was reading into it too much with the whole new hero being released and talon losing a strike team
peak escarp
"recent lapses" could be Baptiste going AWOL
if I have my timeline right, this scene in the casino should be around February
but this is before he properly returns to Talon, so I don't think he would know about it
unless Reaper told him
grave ore
peak escarp
I'm surprised nobody jumped to conclusions when the Oasis travel guide was released
limpid agate
Holy crap, I open reddit for once and its all posts about people looking for some secret room
There is no secret room
Dataminers have already extracted the map
It doesnt exist
neat pivot
Yeah, but
That doesn't mean there isn't supposed to be a secret room
In other words, they could update the map with the secret room
limpid agate
Who gives a shit. Its not in game, and all attempts to find one will come to the conclusion that it doesnt exist.
The current version of the game has no secret room
Trying to find one is pointless
neat pivot
For a start, "who gives a shit" are people who are keen on this ARG stuff. And there is a video of someone finding a room, which they are prevented from entering due to an invisible barrier
limpid agate
entering random codes trying to find which one will give you godmode wont solve anything when its not implemented yet
How will you know you found the right one if it doesnt exist?
You wont
Its fruitless
Whether or not a secret room will exist on the map of Paris this time 2020
Finding the steps to opening it are impossible because they dont exist
neat pivot
Tell that to the people searching I guess?
Until they know for sure it doesn't exist AND that there isn't supposed to be one - two separate things, btw - they will keep looking
And on that note, it looks like they do think there's supposed to be one
limpid agate
Its almost as if getting out of the map is a glitch that exists on every map in the game
neat pivot
I guess you didn't watch the video then
limpid agate
Heroes like Reaper, Sym, and Sombra are the most infamous
I did.
There is nothing of value within it
neat pivot
I guess you missed the point of it then, the point of it wasn't "lol I can glitch out of the map", they were showing one specific area that they can't get into
limpid agate
Its about how there is an invisible wall
neat pivot
whether it's a load of shit or not, I dunno
limpid agate
Invisible wlals exist arbitrarily everywhere
neat pivot
Indeed
limpid agate
There are invisible walls out of map on Kings Row
You can use them to get into attacker spawn B as D.Va in an older version of the game
That was patched out roughly a year and a half ago
neat pivot
Maybe the comment about the 'hidden rooms' means something, maybe it doesn't. I guess we'll find out
limpid agate
This is all over someone's head trying to find something new on the horizon
neat pivot
I guess we'll find out
limpid agate
This isnt the first time people latched on to literal wording, deluding themselves that there is some ultra secret easter egg that shouldnt exist.
neat pivot
I realize that
limpid agate
And it wont be the last
neat pivot
No doubt
worthy rose
yeah
regal coyote
@limpid agate on the side note though, the speak easy does staop talking when certain chraacters are at the door
but yes mp is aextracted and there is no secret room, at least not yet
cant wait to bust into a secret room gunning down all those trouble making omnics
tepid abyss
my guess is it'll be updated like numbani airport
tranquil sun
🤔 maybe the next Archives event will take place in Paris and there we could open the door to somewhere?
slow goblet
That’d be neat
limpid agate
The speak easy going quiet when anti omnic Heroes approach it IS the Easter Egg
That's it
There's nothing else of value
There is no secret room
tranquil sun
i dont know, that teaser and that document were full of secrets and that last paragraph in the travel guide sure seems fishy
and if it were a hint to a secret room it'd be obvious considering the recent crypticness
if it weren't it'd make no sense would it
limpid agate
The last paragraph was about the silence Easter egg
That's it
That's all
There is nothing
There is no room
tranquil sun
it's a little too early to say for sure
limpid agate
It's not too early at all
Scroll up
Look at the data mine
There is nothing
You're just gonna skycode yourself
tranquil sun
we should wait for the event if you ask me
limpid agate
The event isn't any more likely to be in Paris than Hollywood or Lijiang
tranquil sun
okay, then i say it'll take place in Haiti, because of the teaser and the document
tranquil sun
all this cryptic stuff clearly means more than we've found out
limpid agate
What cryptic stuff
You're looking for puzzles where there aren't any
What there is to solve had been solved already
tranquil sun
you get some weird stuff when you increase the image contrast of the document and as far as i know those are questions waiting for answers
limpid agate
What's the question
There isn't one.
The only question is, will we get a second hero 30 teaser
tranquil sun
add the hidden numerals and you get the hero that starts with the hidden letter, Moira
question is, the hell does that mean?
tranquil sun
directly, that is
limpid agate
No
She had no business in this at all
If you're going on about the faded M at the bottom of the page, you should realize the are multiple characters named M
Like the guy who received that letter which was signed by everyone else involved
IF that M was of any importance
Which it probably isn't
Every single time without fail, even during the ARG
When Blizz wanted to tell us something
It was not small and subtle and hidden
It was big and obvious
Example in this exact teaser
The hex code
Examples of small subtleties people followed that ended up being nothing
Skycode
Picking Jeffs words for clues
Looking for morsr code
Barcodes
The hidden room of Numbani
Looking for ARG clues in game when Eichenwalde released
etc
Heres a list of small subtleties that led to something:
I've seen this exact thing play out many times already
Blizz makes an obvious teaser for an obvious answer
People don't want to look at that and look for a secret answer
They dont find one
tranquil sun
if there's already an answer it's not very satisfying
sacred hamlet
Are people already blaming Blizzard for this one
I'm pretty sure they're just hyped
limpid agate
They're not satisfied because they invented a bigger problem that was never teased inthe first place
@sacred hamlet Reread my post and try again
sacred hamlet
Is the post supposed to be the huge wall of text or should I scroll through the entire conversation
tranquil sun
it's only been a day or two
if this is all a wild goose chase it's still a little early to realise it
sacred hamlet
Like no joke just honest question
limpid agate
I said I've seen this exact scenario play out many times, and it results in where this will end up going too
Nowhere with fans who are disappointed because they let an echo chamber of nonsense build up
@tranquil sun Its been 3 weeks
There is no room
sacred hamlet
Is this all because of the Sombra thing
sacred hamlet
I'll admit that was pretty dumb but the community's probably learned
at least most of it has
limpid agate
It's because Blizz put a paragraph to hint an easter egg about the speakeasy in Quartier Omnic
sacred hamlet
I just wanna be optimistic about it and look from this perspective:
sacred hamlet
Maybe people are just interested in trying to find something, even it exists or not.
limpid agate
And people took it to mean that there is a secret password to enter the empty and nonexistent room
sacred hamlet
You mean the twitter post about "The right word might just get you somewhere you didn't know existed"
Or am I missing something
limpid agate
that's exactly what people are being disillusioned about
tranquil sun
@sacred hamlet im sure that there are questions in the air for a legitimate reason
sacred hamlet
It does sound like a deeper easter egg when you think about it
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
But still let's try to be reasonable here
limpid agate
No it doesn't
sacred hamlet
People are just hyped
tranquil sun
it DOES sound like a hint!
sacred hamlet
@tranquil sun Ballistic will be released and everyone'll forget about it.
limpid agate
The lengths this community goes to find nothing from nothing is revolting
sacred hamlet
But for now I'd argue that it does sound teasy
tranquil sun
very
limpid agate
Read the full article in context of you want to start imagining is of value
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limpid agate
Paris travel guide
sacred hamlet
Jewv no offense but I don't get why you're being so cynical about this
Even if it's obviously not going anywhere
It's fun to play around with
I believe that's why Blizz left it there
If the community ends up complaining that's their problem
limpid agate
It's not funny to see people talking about somethign they didnt leave therr at all, and then a week later bitch that nothing was there
everywhere I go now it's just this stupid hidden room shit
sacred hamlet
The aftermath of that is definitely dumb
But that's on the community
If you wanna shittalk whiners that's fine, but if what bothers you is the hyping going on, I think we should start looking from another perpesctive
Shittalk the fooled whiners all you want next week
But for now
Just trying to be hopeful
limpid agate
I'm not going to be hopeful that's absurd
There's nothing to be hopeful about
Because there is nothing
Hype exists for a reason
This isn't hype
The Cuerva document making hero 30 hype is hupe
Because it leads to somrthing
It is hyping something
Hype by definition has a direct object
Something to be hyoed
There is nothing being hyped here
Whats being hyped here is nonexistent
sacred hamlet
The hype is the possibility about something that probably doesn't exist
It's definitely fucking stupid
But if it makes people happy and engage with eachother I don't see the problem here
Also it makes the Reddit less Highlight brimmed
Without being that "spammy"
From what I've seen there's only 2 posts discussing the door
So most must be getting filtered out
neat pivot
Well, the door doesn't go quiet with "omnic haters", apparently it just depends on the size of the hero, so if you're convinced/wrong about that, you could be about the door too 🤷🏽
I mean obviously there's nothing there now, but they could easily updated it in a similar fashion to Numbani and add something, or it could be updated further down the line e.g. Archives, like how Rialto was changed
Likely it is nothing, I agree
But unless you actually work for Blizzard, you can't really definitively say "it's nothing"
neat pivot
I agree
sacred hamlet
But I still have that lil bit of hope that Blizz is trying something new
and that it's actually something
neat pivot
Indeed, nothing wrong with letting people investigate it anyway
sacred hamlet
Better than doing nothing.
neat pivot
If it's something, it could be part of the next teaser or something that comes along with the hero
I mean it's probably nothing, sure, but you have to admit it's quite suggestive, so no harm in letting people investigate, it's crass to sit here and go "I've seen it all before! It's nothing! Listen to me and nobody else!"
sacred hamlet
Could very well be that
In fact
It may be absolutely nothing now
But it may come back in the future
That's much more probable
neat pivot
Yup
tranquil sun
whether or not there's something to all this, it's too early to say for sure
neat pivot
Not really intending to mock him, but he's making aggrandized claims and pretending to know things as facts
Wouldn't hurt to wait for at least the next teaser before saying
tranquil sun
what happened with the Sombra ARG, though? from what i heard it was one hell of a decryption
sacred hamlet
He's saying things from experience
OW's had plenty of easter eggs and clues and teasers that didn't end up being anything
neat pivot
Unless I'm mistaken he hasn't experienced the future
sacred hamlet
Still those are very cynical assumptions
Even arrogant considering people are enjoying what's happening right now
Gotta look at things from its two perspective
@tranquil sun It was just a lot of teasing, teasing and teasing.
To summarize it was an ARG that had solutions with barely any reward.
You'd find a clue, follow the trail and get blocked by a dead end.
And Blizzard would have to remove that dead end for you to proceed.
This happened multiple times across 5 months.
tranquil sun
oh, then i hope they learned to make it better this time
sacred hamlet
Basically it was a cookie cutter ARG that was finished too fast before Blizzard had the time to reactt
This probably isn't an ARG
It's just door that may be useful in the future.
Still it's something to be hyped about.
neat pivot
If the door phrase even means anything, it may just be part of a multi part teaser, as they often do with updates. Maybe the new hero is someone connected to the speakeasy, for example. Might be premature to spend hours dissecting it, sure, but no harm in having looked into it.
sacred hamlet
Maybe it'll prove useful when Maxmillion's released
No proof of him ever becoming a hero, but it'd make some sense if he had acess to the room.
neat pivot
Yeah, or may even just be something they alter slightly after a certain event, like numbami airport
rustic light
Anyways I'm guessing today is the other teaser? Or tomorrow?
I want to see if it's truly the bait n switch
I'll admit I'm wrong if it does happen but I still believe Baptiste is not it
sacred hamlet
I'm pretty sure the next teaser's today
it'll probably still be the Medic guy
if not it'll be exciting either way since it's most likely going to be a brand new character
rustic light
They were theorizing Gerard could be involved, as silly as it sounds
untold timber
Opinion but most of the community doesnt seem as hyped for the hero tease cause its not another female support to feed their fandom hunger
sacred hamlet
I don't see why anyone would be mad over a male
OW's been getting females left and right since release
rustic light
in fact they have been asking for a male healer
rustic light
a male healer in the last 3 years
sacred hamlet
OW is not that short on male healers
rustic light
since we got 3 female healers since it launched
sacred hamlet
well, we only had Mercy on release
and symmetra didn't really count
so it's fair game
2 male healers isn't bad compared to 4 female ones
rustic light
it was Lucio, Zen vs Mercy, Sym in the support category
sacred hamlet
another male healer that happens to be a MAIN one and they'd be settled for another 3 years
If OW survives that long
rustic light
it is a little odd the only 3 healers we've gotten in the least 3 years have been female
sacred hamlet
I still wouldn't consider a 2016 support since the shield nerfs
sacred hamlet
50 shields were great but 25 ended up being unnoticeable
rustic light
1- a black woman
2- a male healer
rustic light
I s2g don't start with "sym is a black woman"
sacred hamlet
would you consider pharah and ana black
rustic light
they are egyptian, not exactly african american
untold timber
Pharah is half native american too
sacred hamlet
are we talking about skin color or race
rustic light
Sombra is latino
granite gazelle
👀
sacred hamlet
So from what place exactly do you want this black female to be from
just on preference
rustic light
You could say had Efi been playable, they probably wouldn't be asking as much, African descent/African American is what they're asking for
sacred hamlet
I've always seen Orisa as that african female people always wanted
sacred hamlet
But that's just how I see her
rustic light
Orisa is a robot, not a black woman
tepid abyss
shes not even humanoid
untold timber
Mirembe?
rustic light
Oh Mirembe
There's also the woman that shows up next to McCree in the one picture with everyone
surreal spoke
Shes not fucking black you muppet
rustic light
Uh who are you talking to
worthy rose
Do you think ashe and McCree dated when McCree was in deadlock?
untold timber
Cause chu doesnt like giving any reason to support straight ships
west lance
Should Torb take in bastion or help efi with orisa
rustic light
Not exactly canon but if anything, is going towards it
1- Reflections letter
2- Valentine interactions
vocal pine
The Valentine’s interactions weren’t even put into the game. And the letter was just that, a letter.
rustic light
They were written and recorded, so at some point they wanted them in
the reasons why they weren't in-game are unknown
But I have to ask, how do we know they weren't in-game? Aren't there videos of it in Live servers?
Gamepedia (Not trustworthy) also says only one of the Hanzo interactions never made it to live
Also regarding McAshe, I'm not sure if it would fit? McCree was Ashe's second family, and at some point he betrayed that trust, he "broke the rules", if anything I think they'd become friends or like family again if they forgave each other, but I can't see an intimate romantic relationship
west lance
... is this what I caused by a simple yes or no question
iron plume
@vocal pine the valentines interactions are definitely in the game, they're just time limited
McAshe was debunked on the panel on that blizzcon, and he says she's not his type in an interaction
rustic light
McCree saying Ashe is not his type means he has thought about it, interestingly enough
iron plume
well it'd be surprising if he didn't
rustic light
But then again his reason was just an insult to push Ashe buttons
iron plume
they were close platonically and both teens
rustic light
Because too rich is also the reason her family wasnt there for her
Ashe is pretty calm until McCree pushes her buttons
And Ashe does the same by saying he wasnt ambitious
iron plume
Ashe is definitely into him
you don't keep a picture of someone for 20 years if you weren't
rustic light
He was her second family
iron plume
but it doesn't mean it's a relationship
rustic light
It obviously hurts that he broke her trust
Thats why she believes she cant forgive him
rustic light
And McCree also hasnt apologized for whatever happened, so I think we will get that later
worthy rose
Has anyone seen the stuff about hero 30 and the Paris map?
vocal pine
I could’ve sworn the Valentine’s stuff wasn’t added, but I guess my memory is just getting rusty. I do recall the interaction between Hanzo and Genji at the very least.
worthy rose
Honestly the door probably is a waste of time but
I did find something near it
There's a soccer ball that perfectly hides two stars
rustic light
But anyways
iron plume
it's brought up in an interview https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tech/gaming/760645/La-Ville-Lumiere-How-Blizzard-s-Overwatch-Team-Built-Paris-Map
I asked them about an Easter egg that involves a football, which obscures two stars hidden on the wall behind it, an obvious homage to France’s 2018 World Cup win. The duo explain that this came from somebody on the team just throwing the idea out there, which painted a great picture of the design philosophy behind map creation in Overwatch.
As I roll through my next question Chu pauses for thought and interjects: “I’m like wait, is that dark, like are we saying that France won’t win the World Cup again?” which sends the room into fits of laughter.
rustic light
This is the march hero, the tease is a bait n switch, cant wait to see who ends up being the hero
iron plume
extrapolating from two data points is iffy
it may be a bait and switch but saying it is is premature at best
rustic light
2 data points that are the only two other march releases and also the only two that also had 3 tease tweets
iron plume
2 data points
and you stop there
they're not even similar to each other
Brig's first tease only existed to set up the second, while Orisa's was directly relevant
rustic light
Yes thats why r/overwatch couldnt stop talking about Efi being the new hero for 2 days
iron plume
That's not relevant
rustic light
One thing is clear and that anything in the first tease doesnt mention the hero
timid eagle
Yeah, I don’t care for their teases anymore. Especially when the whole bait n’switch thing has been done several times already.
iron plume
twice
one of which is questionable
rustic light
And its been done for the march release
July releases are 1 tease
And september is blizzcon
timid eagle
I’m just going to wait for the full reveal, because all this build up will lead to another hero that’ll be added, and will not be explored for awhile.
Heck, Lucio is still disconnected to the universe, and he’s been in the game since launch.
rustic light
Eh, hopefully its explored like Moira and Sombra
iron plume
Moira was hardly explored
iron plume
Orisa doesn't have much to explore
vocal pine
It’d be nice if the next short was about Lucio.
iron plume
and Ashe is new
peak escarp
we know the entirety of Orisa's life
iron plume
Moira's the one that's currently most underserved
timid eagle
I meant what she’s doing currently. Or some new development about her character.
peak escarp
also, July releases are 1 tease?
rustic light
Oh interesting
peak escarp
Hammond had 3 twitter teases
rustic light
I couldnt find those last nighr
iron plume
Doomfist had the entire character of Orisa as his teaser
rustic light
Ana and Doomfist are still 1 tease I guess but Hammond breaks that route
Unless I'm wrong
iron plume
hm
it's almost like trends based on two stretched out points are unreliable
peak escarp
there isn't really a "rule" for twitter teases
rustic light
I'd say, if this new hero gets 3 teases that March has always had 3 teases
iron plume
...yes
that doesn't mean they will always have 3 teases
although i'll give you that it will be more likely
mostly because having three teases won't require stretching to fit their definition
rustic light
Hrmm
Did Brigitte and Orisa ever had anything in maps related to them prior to release, I mean, months before?
worthy rose
ok, I got inside the door, it was a zenyatta voiceline
rustic light
What
peak escarp
Orisa had the Numbani airport wrecked
iron plume
Brig didn't have anything
was Orisa's long before her? thought that was in normal teasers
rustic light
Orisa had it on thr PTR before she went live yeah
Doomfist had the gauntlet and posters
Ana had the shrike at the attacker spawn and hammond had the logs and screen saying he was also missing
I feel July has given us heroes we were expecting and March has given us unexpected ones
So far
peak escarp
Overwatch is still pretty new in the scale of Blizzard games
rustic light
Tell me you guys have talked about the archeologist being teased on Petra
peak escarp
often
peak escarp
Harold is not alive
lavish laurel
So, those double-digit codes at the last few seconds of the gif, OW posted with the link. Isn't that some kinda code...?
iron plume
do you mean the hex codes? there's a "baptiste" in there but the rest is gibberish
rustic light
@peak escarp His suit is missing, and a wheelchair appeared in lijang, with a picture of him and Winston in front of it
rustic light
Good questions
but at the same time
Why did they add a unique wheelchair model to Lijang tower, and why is his suit missing? why is that a picture of him and winston there?
I can't think of anyone else
peak escarp
there are other explanations for a missing spacesuit and a wheelchair
valid shell
@rustic light Source on that being his wheelchair?
rustic light
I'm not saying it is, I'm saying a wheelchair was added later, in front of a picture of him and winston
peak escarp
iirc the picture of him and Winston was always there
rustic light
I'm just saying the wheelchair was added
it's teasing SOMETHING related to him at least
could not be him
peak escarp
all that tells us is that whoever uses that office uses a wheelchair
rustic light
Winston escaped through his pod and Hammond used him to latch on and escape so I also want to know why his suit is missing
chilly peak
Maybe there are other explanations. But the simplest one is that Harold is alive. It's not confirmed but it's out best guess
rustic light
Yes, exactly
peak escarp
we've been told that all the researchers on Horizon were killed by the apes
the simplest explanation is that Harold was among them
chilly peak
So we are both right and wrong ^^
rustic light
It's complicated
chilly peak
Let's say that this is unsolveable for now
iron plume
..no this is not a both situation
peak escarp
how are we both right and wrong?
iron plume
if you're going with "the simplest explanation"
it's one that doesn't involve people who we're told are dead not actually being dead
peak escarp
correct
chilly peak
But in Hanzo's bio it has been said that he killed Genji
rustic light
I would use Ana as a better example
iron plume
bios are told from an in-universe perspective
rustic light
We didn't know it with Ana
rustic light
She was very much implied to be dead by the in-game voicelines
iron plume
implied
rustic light
Even Torbjorn and Reinhard thought she was dead
peak escarp
implied is different from stated
rustic light
I don't think team 4 would make the suit disappear just to tell us it's not important
it's obviously set for something they haven't told us yet
peak escarp
if Harold was alive, what purpose would that serve? It would create a massive plot hole and completely invalidate Winston's experience of being alone
I always assumed Winston took Harold's suit to make his own
rustic light
Isn't it more of a stretch that team 4 would make Harold's suit disappear to later tell us Winston apparently used it for support parts
peak escarp
also how do you know the suit wasn't missing by then?
iron plume
Winston, who's established as an engineer, taking apart an unused suit to use for parts
worthy rose
I mean I don't particularly see Harold Winston as a character with plot armor that he'd be the only person to escape while the rest of the scientific crew died via being shoved out the space lock
iron plume
versus
A person who we're told is dead is actually alive, and has been for years, and never contacted winston
worthy rose
I'm taking it as he dead
rustic light
let's be real, it would be odd for them to take the effort of telling us his suit is missing just to later randomly tell us Winston used it for parts
iron plume
they didn't "tell us the suit is missing"
rustic light
Specially when we have pictures of winstons outfit already looking like the actual thing
iron plume
they just didn't put it on the map
peak escarp
they didn't tell us
rustic light
It's more than not putting it there, the suits are all the same, they specifically removed his
iron plume
Harold is not alive
worthy rose
and him being alive would serve no purpose realistically speaking. Like he has no reason to hide from Winston or from the Lunar Colony's team on earth. And if he was still alive, he'd have been in the New year's Comic since Winston is basically an adopted son in the emotional sense rather than the literal sense.
iron plume
maybe he tried to get out in his suit to stop it
maybe winston took it apart
maybe he was on a spacewalk for some reason in the first place
but him being alive
worthy rose
unless u wanna make the argument that he got stranded on an island somewhere but that's doubtful in my mind
peak escarp
Harold being alive would ruin the story
rustic light
Alright guys then explain your reasoning for the picture of him and winston randomly put in Lijang towers
peak escarp
it's a picture of a scientist and a specimen, sent back to the organization that funds them
it's a funny/cute picture
worthy rose
Might be there to honor the scientist who died there with the 1 good experiment they had; cause as far as we know, the rest of the apes and bigger mammals in the space colony killed the rest of them and that might have been the only picture they got
peak escarp
sounds like something a Lucheng exec would want on their desk
worthy rose
either that or it's plotting a hero related to the horizon lunar colony experiment besides winston and hammond and on the human side
which honestly
wouldn't suprise me
peak escarp
particularly since the CEO of Lucheng is a former Horizon scientist and probably knew Harold
rustic light
It's clearly someone related to Harold or Winston
not just a random executive with a picture
peak escarp
why "clearly"?
rustic light
I swear they could put an overwatch poster right behind the desk and you'd tell me "the person is probably a fan"
iron plume
I swear they could show us his funeral and you'd still go "but picture tho"
rustic light
no because they haven't
I believed Harold was 100% dead until the wheelchair and suit missing
peak escarp
why would an Overwatch member have a poster of Overwatch in their office?
young spindle
Go follow @real_concord_kicks on Instagram plz
peak escarp
the clues are not as conclusive as the internet thinks
the wheelchair was always on the map, it just moved to a different office
rustic light
Where was it?
worthy rose
if u got that from "YourOverwatch" or "TGN" then sorry mate but those aren't legitimate sources. They know as much as we do but the only difference is they have a massive following and people tend to use them as like a source of "But this big content creator said so, so it must be true." I say this cause I remember hearing one of those two channels making that argument and not a real fan of it because they got nothing but speculations and some very very tiny threads.
valid shell
Harold Winston is kill.
rustic light
for example the head found in bastet's menu
iron plume
but you'll read segador and believe every word
rustic light
Party you said there was no evidence for the soldier 76 sombra thing yesterday, didn't you?
peak escarp
so far, all the people we have been told are dead or have seen die (Harold, Gerard, Antonio, Vialli) have stayed dead
why would they go back on that?
rustic light
What I'm saying here is, chances are Harold is dead, but it isn't as simple as some random having his picture
There is something untold about the missing suit and the wheelchair and it isn't something like "winston grabbed support parts"
iron plume
it's not "some random"
it's a chief from the company he worked for
that launched the mission
it's very likely someone he knew
rustic light
A character we haven't met yet whose team 4 decided needed a wheelchair, it's most likely something we will find out about in the future
worthy rose
not really no; Personally I think Overwatch leaves a lot of loose ends open that other heroes are meant to fill; they're not there yet. I'm genuinely expecting Winston at some point is going to return back to the moon and that's when we'll learn more about the wheelchair thing but I don't think it'll be anytime soon. Does that make sense?
The Mei atmospheric thing
The McCree pink box
The Horizon Lunar Colony
The Sombra Illuminati conspiracy thing
All loose ends that we can't decipher just yet because there isn't enough but there will most likely be more added later on
rustic light
Mei atmospheric thing?
worthy rose
Mei awakened and checked Data from her cinematic. There was an "Atmospheric Anomaly" and about a decade's or so's worth of Data if I'm not mistaken. It's supposedly what Mei is currently investigating as well as trying to alert people of the massive changes and such
And this was so bad that Mei literally thinks she could save a crap ton of lives
i dont remember the range she stated but i'm fairly sure it was in the thousands or millions
!!loreheroes mei
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/mei#story
peak escarp
well that really killed the conversation
rustic light
Even if we disagree at least it gets interesting tbh
peak escarp
discussion doesn't have to mean agreement
rustic light
it would be boring if it was an eco chamber
magic bane
so...who has the least amount of lore (for charters actually in the game i mean)
frosty shell
probs Zenyatta
iron plume
Zen
magic bane
hmm, true
worthy rose
Zen
iron plume
Him, Lucio and Mercy are the only ones without starring appearances in comics, shorts or stories
but Lucio has had more in-game references
and Mercy showed up in Uprising and its comic
Moira is same boat as Mercy, only cameos in outside content but was part of an event
worthy rose
mercy was a part of uprising
iron plume
...yes
which is why I brought it up
rustic light
Zen and Mercy are basically just there for Genji right now
we need to know more about them
iron plume
zen, yes (questionably)
mercy, not since uprising
worthy rose
So, back to the topic of Baptiste, do we think he is just a red herring?
possibly just a virtual character like lynx 17
rustic light
im convinced its a red herring
really doubt tease 1 already told us the hero name
or maybe it did but definitely not baptiste imo
worthy rose
i still don’t know what to do with the teaser about paris🤔🤔
I mean,
I think its for the archives
worthy rose
If we did the out of bounds glitch, there would be nothing behind that door
ofc it was patched though
rustic light
they did, and they also grabbed the file
worthy rose
did they?
rustic light
doomfist can see behind it
worthy rose
F
rustic light
there is nothing
just 1 prop that looks like a door handle
but it's nothing r/overwatch is reaching there
worthy rose
I honestly think the new character will be a tank. We have it basically confirmed the new hero is talon related, whether it is ex talon or just a talon member.
doorhandle hero 30 confirmed then
rustic light
I mean
worthy rose
Hero 30 will be Sombra 2.0
Sombra with two SMGs
shouldn’t there have been another teaser today?
rustic light
Year 1: Support, DPS
Year 2: Tank, DPS, Support
Year 3: Support, Tank, DPS
Year 4 should be a tank
worthy rose
They should just flat out release the hero. We know they are done, they're just trying to tempt a dying community as if they're excited. Its like waving a tennis ball in front of an old dog, they dont want to chase it, they just want the ball.
We want to fix the game. This new hero is make or break for the game.
rustic light
eh, it always does good publicity for them to tease it
worthy rose
If they're the new brig, the game is dead. If it isn't, blizzard can redeem themselves
If they have a stun or CC, then I consider it a failure.
rustic light
is not like the hero would be released in tease 1 day had it not been for the teases
they'd be released the same day, just without teases
worthy rose
I would love it if we got 2 heroes at once
i dont know why
and i know it wont happen
but it would be cool
i'd love it if they introduced 5
just bring the anarchy to the game as people scramble to figure out what is the optimum comp
rustic light
meanwhile
apex legends is teasing 2-3 characters per season
up to 10 this year
take notes blizzard
(obviously they are easier to make since their abilities arent game changing, have same hp, etc)
worthy rose
that's just a crap ton of money and as far as I know Apex isn't as heavy on story as Overwatch is
is it?
I actually don't know; tried apex but it wasnt for me
rustic light
well
apex is in the titanfall universe
so it already has a lot of lore
and the bios we got on release are also longer than our hero bios
I think it's a good amount of lore for their launch
worthy rose
on the website theres a rough backstory for all the characters
but i have a feeling bloodhound will be the pyro tf2 of this game
rustic light
bloodhound is canonically and confirmed
non-binary
anyways I should probably go back to ovw talk before I get banned
worthy rose
yeah
worthy rose
Probably at 9pm GMT
I am guessing at least
probs sometime this weekend or monday i'd say
I would say release is on the 27th
quasi siren
Do you guys think the teaser was yesterday's twitter post about Paris, the teaser will be shown later today or we have to wait till a later date?
quasi siren
So what about the other 2?
worthy rose
there's nothing that i read about any heroes unless our hero is an omnic artist
the sombra hack and the talon report are the teaser
doubt it's the only teaser we'll get
quasi siren
Yes, and many suspected the next teaser would be today
worthy rose
meh give it 1-2 days
sacred hamlet
Day still hasn't ended
quasi siren
Day1:Teaser>Day2:None>Day3:Teaser>So On
sacred hamlet
Just chill
quasi siren
Mmmk
rustic light
They might play it on the 5th game of owvl
For some reason they did that 2 days ago
Difference it was hours later
rustic light
https://i.imgur.com/dqqgl6T.png no teaser then I guess
dusky hatch
are they teasing a new hero?
worthy rose
they did yesterday
and probably will either this weekend or tomorrow or tuesday or so
silent nymph
I was hoping the teasers would go Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday then release on Thursday next week, but it doesn't look like that is the case
worthy rose
watch them release it live like in 2 hours and it's lynxer 17
silent nymph
No matter what they do I want the hero before the 27 as on the 28 I'm going for a day long trip away and won't be back to the first, and I really want to experience it first hand
iron plume
no hero had four teasers
worthy rose
how many teasers do we get for teasers party?
iron plume
something like that
iron plume
yes for live
within a week for ptr
worthy rose
so early march
much hype
Tracer is a lesbian; this is not a secret.
So is Soldier 76; He's gay
Tracer has been labeled and identified as a lesbian I believe since basically the very start
yeah pretty much
dusky hatch
why are you sending those links
iron plume
@worthy rose don't bother it's a spammer
worthy rose
do we have the power to put spammer on the blocked thing or is that just for mods?
iron plume
mods
worthy rose
crap
worthy rose
no idea but we should get it within a week so i'm not too worried and this will actually be more main conflict relevant than the more recent heroes we've gotten
chilly peak
My bet is teaser on monday and ptr on tuesday
silent nymph
That would be ideal
Although I thought most heroes released on Thursdays
I just watched a video about the supposed secret door in Paris? Has there been any further developments on that?
limpid agate
There is no secret door
Its a fan theory based on nothing that exploded, comparable to the skycode
THe development is people clammouring over clipping models
silent nymph
Well I thought it was an interesting theory
What about the messages hidden in the talon document?
Oh I just want another teaser already
worthy rose
i doubt we'll see one today tbh
sacred hamlet
Which would be weird 'cause most teasers have been consistently released every 2 days after the first one.
At least that's what I remember from most of them
feral hinge
sacred hamlet
That's useful, I guess.
Also isn't it weird that the letter's date is the same as the teaser's release.
iron plume
not really
sacred hamlet
Feels like a weird 4th break to me. A bit unnecessary.
feral hinge
No, that was from two days ago!
sacred hamlet
It obviously isn't referencing anything in real life but using the same dates still feels weird.
silent nymph
Yes
iron plume
we already did
silent nymph
I feel let down, i was expecting at least something new today
feral hinge
So people can have the full version.
feral hinge
'Cause they'd be looking for that.
iron plume
it's posted on the site
feral hinge
Fuck.
iron plume
why would you spread a discord image instead
feral hinge
BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD OVER.
Lapsem's bailin'.
iron plume
...okay but where did you think it came from
worthy rose
its not like its already like 2 days old
silent nymph
Any chance for a teaser tomorrow to you think?
silent nymph
Darn
sacred hamlet
Not sure what's stopping them from posting the Teaser on Sunday
limpid agate
Not being at work
sacred hamlet
But I guess we still pray for today or Monday
Ehh
Dumb question but aren't workers allowed to post tweets outside of work hours
I mean there's gotta be someone who's able to do it
iron plume
they're allowed to but why would they
limpid agate
Does your teacher give you lectures on sundays?
iron plume
either way they're almost definitely scheduled
peak escarp
they have done teasers on the weekend before
limpid agate
Its incredibly rare
sacred hamlet
Just a lil' tweet and they'd keep the teasers consistent
Or have they done this before
limpid agate
What youre talking about isnt a real pattern. Every 2 days.
iron plume
yeah
there's no specific consistency
"not on weekends" isn't much of a real pattern either
sacred hamlet
From what I've seen for the past 2 years it has followed this pattern
peak escarp
it's only 2:52 PST, so there's still a possibility of getting something today
sacred hamlet
But I may have missed something so eh
limpid agate
Sombra was 6 days between teasers.
Orisa was 3 then 3.
Brig was 2 then 2 then 2
Hammond was 4 then 3
sacred hamlet
@limpid agate Comparing private classes to a tweet is also a weird comparison but OK.
sacred hamlet
Wouldn't hurt doing it
peak escarp
Hammond had 3 teasers
iron plume
no one posts them manually
peak escarp
rustic light
Orisa had 3 teasers didn't she?
iron plume
they're written and then scheduled
limpid agate
She did
There was a space 3 days between first and second
And a space 3 days between second and third
rustic light
Oh I see what you mean
iron plume
whenever you think the next one is getting posted, the work day doesn't have much to do with it
they might want someone to be on to respond or in case something goes wrong
limpid agate
The only weekends I can think of were Sombra and Brig
iron plume
but the initial posting is 100% automated
rustic light
But I mean, is not like the Overwatch account stops retweeting on weekends?
peak escarp
I thought all the posts were automated
since they're almost always exactly on the hour
rustic light
I've seen some mistakes quickly deleted
rustic light
Like the valentine sprays being a reply to the wrong tweet
rustic light
There's still a tiny chance they might want to surprise us, I'd give it 2 hours and give up if not
There is also the SLIM chance of them trying to show us something new via the League
peak escarp
there's a new project I can do
I want to look through the teaser/reveal tweets and plot the trends of what time/day each tweet came out
see what the statistics are on that
limpid agate
Most are 2PM EST weekdays
peak escarp
I'll do that tonight after work
limpid agate
5PM Blizzardtime
warped glen
I think I found out release date
limpid agate
Release date or PTR
peak escarp
release date is likely March 19
warped glen
Could be either
limpid agate
It cant be either.
warped glen
212121 on letter
limpid agate
...
warped glen
3/6
peak escarp
Galand mentioned it, and it matches with the last two March heroes
warped glen
Where do you get 19th?
limpid agate
An interview
warped glen
With?
limpid agate
A Blizzard developer
warped glen
Link?
limpid agate
rustic light
Not the first time they tease a date in a weird way
Orisa origin story had two numbers that matched the date of the first Doomfist teaser
dense fog
How many days before PTR release are new heroes usually fully revealed with lore/shorts?
peak escarp
they generally go onto the PTR the same day they're fully revealed
the only exception that I know of has been the heroes revealed at Blizzcon
dense fog
Thanks
peak escarp
Moira was announced November 3, went on PTR November 6
Ashe was announced November 2, went on PTR November 5
limpid agate
Sombra also had a weekend between reveal and PTR. Every other hero was revealed day of
Gameplay trailers come with the live release, however
Exceptions are Blizzcon heroes again, and Ana
valid shell
Not as long as me and Jewvia.
limpid agate
Binge was around before me. My first comment on this server was correcting them.
peak escarp
is there a way to find out?
limpid agate
Discord search works.
peak escarp
neat