Oh i just remember the city it was from
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
valid shell
Nah, you just meant whatever would get a cheap squabble going.
warped glen
Does zenyatta have a gender?
limpid agate
If you want, Zenyatta appears to be the one that's identifying as a different gender
valid shell
Yes.
peak escarp
Jack Morrison was from Bloomington, Indiana
valid shell
Zenyatta identifies as male, Orisa identifies as female, (although she was likely hardwired to be so by Efi.)
limpid agate
Zenyatta is your omnic transgender
wintry zealot
And Bastion can’t even speak
limpid agate
Lynx is probably just identifying as what they were created to be
worthy rose
I feel like moira may turn out to be non binary, thats just my headcannon and non factual in any way
limpid agate
Nothing
valid shell
We've seen Moira as a little girl and she identifies as female.
So your headcannon is false.
mystic adder
Bold n
valid shell
Glad you caught it.
mystic adder
Also catchin that komi-san pfp, shes a god
wintry zealot
Mm
mystic adder
Back to lore
worthy rose
She is described as androgenous though
limpid agate
So
limpid agate
Is Bowie non-binary?
worthy rose
Soooo that usually describes non binary
limpid agate
No
valid shell
???
limpid agate
It describes someone who doesn't look like any particular gender
Not someone who identifies as no gender
There is a difference
valid shell
Stop.
worthy rose
I know there is .-. Im just explaining the thought process behind it
valid shell
You're obviously just trying to start an argument and it's not working.
limpid agate
Drop it and move on
Androgenous means you don't look like any gender
Non-binary means you don't identify as either gender
wintry zealot
Okay???
wintry zealot
Sorry, must’ve been doing it unintentionally
limpid agate
Moira is androgenous, but if she has lady bits and identifies as a lady, she aint non-binary
Real world example: David Bowie
He's not non binary, he's a he.
He has dude parts and he agrees he is a dude.
Androgenous isn't part of tall this gender politics
It just means you dont look male or female at first glance
valid shell
Fun fact: David Bowie's son directed the Warcraft movie. His biggest film before that was Moon. Moira's based on his father, and has a skin called Moon.
limpid agate
Neat
worthy rose
Ye but moon looks more like kiss
dense estuary
Bowie had some wild stuff especially in the ziggy stardust era
On a humor note, If Bowie is actually agreeing to anything right now I am going to load a shotgun because Bowie is awesome but a zombie is a zombie
last inlet
Doesn't add to the convo, but it's "androgynous"
From "andro" and "gyno", man and woman
worthy rose
Gotta take em out boys
Ehh i only had 3 hours of sleep the past 25 hours or so, please forgive my spelling
wraith zealot
glam skin is the one that takes direct inspiration from bowie if u ask me
paper sonnet
I was going to put a message, btu I'm totally in the wrong channel.. woooosh
worthy rose
Back on the idea of baptiste, if he turns out to be Hero 30 I bet he will be French, since Haiti of course has ties to France, and just look at his name.
worthy rose
I'm turning the Hexadecimal from the video into text currently
you get Bapte 'YwA further down
the only text after that is xqOw
stoic eagle
i hate this community so much sometimes
new hero tease
"IS HE GAY OR NOT QUICK FIND OUT!!!"
prisma wren
at this point
regal coyote
i do agree some people put too much focus on that.
Also, hate it or not the whole sexualty/gender thing only makes any serious sense if we are talking about HUMAN. (well to a lesser degree primates but please please dont drag winston and other apes into this please)
So omnic identifying as anything means nothing at all, or less than nothing in this case, both in game and out.
In this sense Apex at least pin NB on a human. (or human enough at least)
I do hope there is a cool down period on this and not to make H30 a hotbox on these issues, so we can refocus on lores and stories and what not. Yes, an NB hero would be nice, but better be later. In fact it would help the topic also, by not letting it be just a burst of #EveryoneNB type of fed in games but a continuous thing.
untold timber
We dont need to know who the characters want to smash can't change my mind.
worthy rose
Lore? Gimmie storymode
iron plume
it has lore background for the map
magic zealot
actually...
"Paris is a city of hidden gems, search out the speakeasies and hidden places as you roam the city. The right word might get you into a place you never knew existed."
iron plume
talks about the situation in paris
not too much of a deep dive but it is lore related
magic zealot
hidden room in paris that leads to new hero confirmed
iron plume
A grand gala is being held to celebrate the recent passage of controversial omnic rights legislation.
confirms the situation in Paris, that Omnics have made progress but not everything is good and dandy yet
They still have their own neighborhoods but aren't driven underground like in London
Quartier Omnic sounds like a hype place
also junkers stole sweet stuffs, that's cute
warped glen
I found a new part to the code
worthy rose
Pen15? @warped glen
rustic light
Can someone with the reaper's voiceline "I have the devil's own luck" go to a custom paris match and play it in front of the Omnic building with a camera?
There was a 150 mb patch we never found out what for and the new lore teases "He has the devil's own luck"
"The right word might get you into a place you never knew existed"
vocal pine
I love that the Junkers just wanted food. And to be fair, French desserts are awesome.
iron plume
@rustic light which building do you mean
iron plume
there's nothing
regal coyote
anything get decodeded fromt he sombraized message on H30 yet?
We all know the letter introdue 3 grunts and 3 characters
seem to be a deserter of talon, a captain giving chase, and just soem senior office smuck doing the records.
Haiti would be a good place for a map, but we dont know the new character yet. since it can be the chaser or the chasee
or more likely a third party.
limpid agate
Cuerva also appears to be MIA
iron plume
that's a small part of it
rustic light
I don't think it will say anything, we know the first day tease is just supposed to put us in the wrong direction
the bait and switch
regal coyote
rustic light
today will be the "problem" and tomorrow the solution
regal coyote
so yeah he is related
but yeah do we need another shooting medic.
seem like not him, but his story would eb related
worthy rose
Wait will we get a teaser today?
peak escarp
yeah
they don't usually release them back to back, until the last one
they tend to give a day or two of time between them to let us stew
tranquil sun
hoorah for more lore!
peak escarp
indeed
worthy rose
Hopefully there will be a overwatch comic book vol.2
sacred hamlet
Maybe in a few years when they actually start releasing comics again
peak escarp
we'll be getting comics this year
peak escarp
we're getting a run of comics
sacred hamlet
Which is still really fucking smoll but that's a start
regal coyote
we will get probably 100% more comic at least
which is easy consider we have like at best 1 last year
limpid agate
Oh hey
Another travel guide
It brings some recent lore too
About the city
Including some stuff about Junkrat and Roadhog
sacred hamlet
"A grand gala is being held to celebrate the recent passage of controversial omnic rights legislation."
steep epoch
¨
sacred hamlet
"The eponymous Luna performs at the seven nights a week without fail."
Something something omnic slavery but with less steps.
limpid agate
@worthy rose Link
worthy rose
👀 everyone assumes he's gonna be a support
pine acorn
It says he is a medic with a good shot. Literally ana. But what if they switched it up? Like how ana was JUST a sniper before her accident, then she got a hold of the sniper and heals and all that. So what if he just ends up as a dps?
limpid agate
Ignoring his gameplay speculation, where all we know is that Baptiste is a medic... Its a good summary @worthy rose
I would take his random Archives speculation with a grain of salt. We have never had a single player archives mission, and I dont think they plan to start now.
pine acorn
^
sacred hamlet
Ana does have the "Protect my teammates, protect my family" mentality
limpid agate
But scrap all his gameplay speculation
sacred hamlet
So it works for her
limpid agate
That's just pure speculation based on interpretations of one off lines
wraith zealot
we know this hero likely not dps since devs did say they are aware of lack of tanks and support
worthy rose
i find the teaser with the "hidden room" in paris far more interesting 👀
limpid agate
He is a medic, so he is probably a support
sacred hamlet
It's probably just going to be a hybrid
I doubt they'd make him a full support after his actions in the letter
limpid agate
Thats all that matters. "Good Shot" doesnt matter when you have heroes like D.Va with similar quantifying words
sacred hamlet
But yeah the room thing is really interesting
sacred hamlet
D.Va was picked because she's a nerd who happens to have a high "APM"
She works in a mech I guess
limpid agate
South Korea has conscription.
She was picked to pilot a mech because she was considered to be elite.
limpid agate
Compared to other conscripted Koreans?
sacred hamlet
It's pretty exaggerated but Hana being able to handle a mech is still believable
sacred hamlet
Then they should train better soldiers
limpid agate
And 1 is an international champion for having high reaction time
sacred hamlet
Would you hire a gamer to defend your nation
limpid agate
I dont think you know what conscription means
limpid agate
Conscription is mandatory military service
worthy rose
"Would you hire a gamer to defend your nation" <--- yes many of them make excellent soldiers.
sacred hamlet
Hana does her job well enough
Ok you can continue your explanation about conscription
I'm listening
limpid agate
South Korea in the present day of our real world
sacred hamlet
@worthy rose Also source on gamers being good soldiers
limpid agate
Has conscription
worthy rose
as in you want a source?
limpid agate
Where people from 18 to ~30 have to serve a mandatory military service for some time
In the Overwatch world
I would assume that is still continuing
sacred hamlet
@worthy rose Yes
limpid agate
In which case
Of your group of thousands of teenagers that just turned into adults
Which one do you pick to pilot the mech?
sacred hamlet
Never heard of women having mandatory service in the SA
worthy rose
@limpid agate may I respond here or take it to general?
sacred hamlet
But still
limpid agate
ANd Overwatch likes to "break gender rules" or something like that
sacred hamlet
Picking a gamer to act as a soldier sounds weird
But I'm guessing it works as a pilot
limpid agate
The gamer would have to be a soldier anyways
Whether a foot soldier or naval cadet
Or a pilot
And D.Va became a pilot
Its not like she was thrown in without training
Obviously her squad was trained
Because its an explosion
sacred hamlet
A gamer being better than definitely anyone else to pilot a Mech is weird
limpid agate
Gameplay != Lore
sacred hamlet
But it's still believable
sacred hamlet
So it's fine
I don't know
I don't play Starcraft
I don't pilot Mechs
I wasn't trained to do so
But sure she has great reactions time in games, so Blizzard thought that would transition greatly as a Pilot
Like I said still believable
Still a little Disneylike.
iron plume
overwatch is about exceptional individuals
sacred hamlet
Because she got lucky
If you're talking about the cryofreeze of course
She survived 'cause she just happened to be the one who survived
worthy rose
@sacred hamlet you must not live in the United States.
But the US Army and Air Force have active recruitment campaigns for Gamers.
For example: The video Game America's Army was a recruitment tool.
Recently they have adapted marketing to do two (2) things:
a) recruit for specialist roles (predator drone operators as well as cryptologic linguists, operators and COMSEC operators
b) eSports
sacred hamlet
Of course she's still a great scientist who managed to improvise her getaway nicely
But she's still unexperienced in combat
Not an exceptional soldier if you ask me
peak escarp
the whole thing is a little Disneylike
sacred hamlet
Or person
peak escarp
Overwatch is an optimistic future
worthy rose
they have been
sacred hamlet
Good
Could also help in funding with virtual training
and all that stuff
But yeah Overwatch is definitely a little fantasious
But still grounded to reality
Now what I want to discuss is the new OW Map Password
That really got me interested
Reminds me of TF2's easter eggs
and dynamic maps are always really cool
worthy rose
I'd argue it's connected to the piano
peak escarp
I doubt there's a secret area unlocked by a voice line
worthy rose
^
peak escarp
it's just flavourtext
rustic light
there's nothing inside the room
sacred hamlet
doesn't mean anything
the room could render the moment the easter egg is triggered
iron plume
that's not how maps work in overwatch
rustic light
then the map files would have those assets
sacred hamlet
Is it not possible to hide those assets
worthy rose
🤔 probably is
peak escarp
Blizzardworld has a door that asks for a password
worthy rose
which one
peak escarp
the door itself is the easter egg
sacred hamlet
Is it the developer easter egg or something
sacred hamlet
does it reveal anything
sacred hamlet
so not really a dynamic easter egg
just a reference
I still have hope for Paris though
trail sigil
any theories around the "code" in the launcher and on twitter? besides jetpack cat
worthy rose
🤔 maybe jetpack cat IS the password for paris?
sacred hamlet
nO
peak escarp
Interview with Lead Character artist Renaud Galand (it's in French but there's an English translation)
not much news in there, only that they have plans to put Maison Marat in the deathmatch rotation, March 19 is an important date (probably when hero 30 will launch, which matches my prediction), and they're working on lots of good skins coming up along with something else (probably Archives)
limpid agate
Maison Deathmatch
Sounds interesting
Id assume it goes into the courtyard too
The map seems to be flexible enough, if a bit 2 dimensional
white cobalt
Isnt kinda big?
limpid agate
I was thinking it was kinda small
On 2 plains, thats as big as Chateau
But there is no height
white cobalt
@limpid agate R: yep, so if you start at the gates, and all the house — it’s gonna be a deathmatch and team deathmatch map. But I don’t have release dates for that, sadly enough.
yep, includes courtyard
white cobalt
yup, and probs 19 march the release to live
peak escarp
I haven't updated it for this year yet
but the March hero has always been released in the 3rd week of March
I accidentally put March 18
but it matches my prediction
limpid agate
Hmm, I thought DF was a Friday PTR
sacred hamlet
Some calendar for ants this is
peak escarp
I didn't list PTR releases
limpid agate
You did
peak escarp
if you open the original it's much bigger
limpid agate
You also listed Origin short dates, which are PTR releases for all but Blizzcon heroes
peak escarp
I mean I didn't list my prediction for PTR releases
sacred hamlet
Oh it's fine quality now
limpid agate
Stars are comics/shorts
sacred hamlet
Holy shit March - June 2016 had so much good shit released
peak escarp
I was way off on the January map release, but pretty much everyone was
sacred hamlet
Old Blizzard by the way 😢
peak escarp
June 2016 had nothing released
iron plume
that has nothing to do with old blizzard
and to do with Overwatch being released at the time
and building up excitement for a new release
peak escarp
peak escarp
that was to build up hype for the game's release
worthy rose
^
peak escarp
expecting that level of content to continue post release was unrealistic
sacred hamlet
I'm still baffled by how slow they started releasing comics after 2017 when they look terrible
They've always looked so easy to produce
peak escarp
you're clearly not an artist
peak escarp
drawing a comic takes a long time
white cobalt
Writing takes time, same as drawing
peak escarp
especially when you have to meet someone else's standards/specifications
sacred hamlet
Still 1 comic a year
white cobalt
and re-revisions
sacred hamlet
Blizzard gotta hire more artists instead of firing them
iron plume
...
white cobalt
...
iron plume
they didn't fire any artists, for one
the artists that work on comics are contracted, for two
peak escarp
there were 7 comics in 2017
iron plume
they don't work for blizzard all year, they get hired for a specific comic
rustic light
same with the origin trailers
sacred hamlet
Am I high
rustic light
they are hired artists
peak escarp
2 of those were minicomics for events
sacred hamlet
I don't remember 7 comics in 2017
iron plume
probably
peak escarp
Binary, Uprising, Masquerade, Wasted Land, Searching, Junkenstein's Revenge, Yeti Hunt
sacred hamlet
So we had Junkenstein and Mei who are basically joke comics
Zarya sucked a lot
Roadhog was great
Like yeah true there were 7 comics
I'm actually shocked now
Honestly, looking back 50% of these comics fucking sucked
I might just have to stop wearing these hardcore nostalgia glasses or I'm just gon end up dissapointed
peak escarp
you call that nostalgia?
iron plume
If you have nostalgia for things that happened in 2017, it's... interesting
sacred hamlet
2 years is a really long time ok
don't come judging my definitions of nostalgia 'cause you don't appreciate your clock
iron plume
I understand that going from 13 to 15 you get through a lot of changes
peak escarp
you're being excessively critical . . . usually people with nostalgia have nothing but good things to say
sacred hamlet
Like I said I like half of them
but there rest are actually really bad
Might as well not expect much from the next bunch if I might end up dissapointed
peak escarp
the art is good on most of the comics
peak escarp
and I like the writing on all of them except Searching
sacred hamlet
Searching is definitely garbage
But comics like McCree and Rein's just feel pointless to be honest
Probably because they were just there to hype up the game
So they might have looked cool back then
iron plume
they explore the character
peak escarp
they were character building
sacred hamlet
But now they're just filler
slow goblet
I really liked Reinhardt’s
iron plume
in the same way the shorts do
sacred hamlet
I mean, Rein's, sure.
worthy rose
I just wanna know more about Ashe theres not any real background on her idk
sacred hamlet
McCree in the other hand is just him rainding a train and taking out bad guys
peak escarp
my favourite comics are Reflections, Uprising, Masquerade and Retribution
sacred hamlet
Rein at least explores his PTSD, hallucinations and stuff
peak escarp
the ones that further the plot
sacred hamlet
Yeah those are good
peak escarp
or give us more story, at least
worthy rose
yeah
rustic light
mccree is more than just riding a train
sacred hamlet
Oh yeah
rustic light
it's an introduction to his easy going persona, that avoids fights if he can
sacred hamlet
He kicks boxes OUT of the trains as well
slow goblet
My favourite was A Better World
worthy rose
i legit wanna know more about ashe we dont get a lot of background on her but shes one of my favorite characters
rustic light
McCree kicked that weird box because it was better to avoid fighting Talon
iron plume
we don't get a lot of background on most people
I presume you read her bio and whatnot
sacred hamlet
Sorry dude, nothing interesting about kicking a box out ofa train
even if he clearly did it for a good reason
peak escarp
the box wasn't the interesting part
worthy rose
and then theirs the other half xD
sacred hamlet
You do know most people in this game are goody two shoes right
iron plume
...no
sacred hamlet
They obviously avoid fights if possible
slow goblet
All Mccree seems to do is stop people from taking containers with a macguffin in them
worthy rose
not really
peak escarp
it showed that McCree is a good enough shot to take out a train of badguys without any civilians getting injured, he's polite and not the villian the media makes him out to be
iron plume
that's not what either goody two shoes is or their characters are
sacred hamlet
They worked for OW after all
peak escarp
and it told us that Talon was using Blackwatch techniques, which we didn't know at the time
worthy rose
yeah but then theirs the people who dont work for overwatch, which is kinda a lot of them
sacred hamlet
That's obvious...
peak escarp
when this comic was released, we didn't know Reaper was Reyes
slim warren
mccree is hot
sacred hamlet
Then why are you giving the writers credit for making a comic about what's already known about McCree
That's basically Mei's cinematic
a waste of resources
iron plume
it wasn't
rustic light
It's dumb to shit on mccree comic with those opinions lol
iron plume
and it still wouldn't be if not for that comic
worthy rose
exactly
sacred hamlet
Ok so it wasn't clear enough that he's an amazing gunslinger who happens to be an outlaw
judging from his bio, character design and gameplay
that was released back in 2015
slow goblet
I for one enjoyed the Mei cinematic
sacred hamlet
It's not bad looking obviously
just a bad cinematic
could've literally taken anyone else and made it more interesting
rustic light
My storyboard teacher loved Mei cinematic lol
sacred hamlet
And each year, one of them happens to be super boring
"Hey let's make a Cinematic about Mei's story that's already been told before"
rustic light
Scoots you're mistaking a cinematic not being revealing from not being entertaining
iron plume
but the story hasn't been told
sacred hamlet
"Hey let's make a Cinematic about how D.Va is such a deep and deep and dark character when you think about it hard enough"
rustic light
if you don't find cinematics that don't reveal much new information interesting then that's your opinion
worthy rose
yeah
iron plume
if you think that's what shooting star was, you missed the point wider than blair walsh
limpid agate
I liked the worldbuilding of Gwisin and the MEKA squad
peak escarp
Mei's bio said she was found frozen
limpid agate
Rise and Shine overwrote Mei's bio
sacred hamlet
there's literally a summary of what happened there
peak escarp
the short showed her waking up on her own and finding a way out
rustic light
Mei's cinematic precisely helped with worldbuilding, the map was there but the story wasn't told yet
peak escarp
which is different from what her bio said
limpid agate
They rewrote her bio, and put it in the form of a short
worthy rose
idk i still just wish we had more cinematics for everyone ya know? doesnt matter who (although Im partial to ashe) I just want more of them
limpid agate
Not the one on the website
That one is the same
But its different than what happened in the short
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
But that rescue never came. It was years later when the team's cryogenics chamber was finally discovered. Mei, still in hibernation, was the only survivor.
sacred hamlet
It's basically the same thing yeah
limpid agate
TO what happened in the short
sacred hamlet
they just changed some bits
limpid agate
If you count the entire part about Mei being recalled as changing some bits
rustic light
Just because the bio says "She was frozen" doesn't mean a cinematic showing you her feelings, development and struggle is the same thing lmao
iron plume
...yes
that's what rewriting is
peak escarp
that's not the same thing as waking up alone with no supplies and having to figure out a way to get out
sacred hamlet
they just explained how Mei was rescued and how she made her gun and that's it
worthy rose
well atleast its further information
limpid agate
Or Mei breaking herself out of Antarctica by inventing her gear on the spot out of actual garbage rather than waiting patiently for rescue
rustic light
I feel you'd only like it had it been Mei before being frozen or walking in the snow until finding help for some reason
peak escarp
she wasn't rescued
iron plume
"if you don't count everything that was shown, we were basically shown nothing"
sacred hamlet
Oh no my colleagues have died
peak escarp
she saved herself
sacred hamlet
This is so sad
rustic light
Like they showed us how she made the gun too
white cobalt
...
limpid agate
Thats not Mei's cinematic
sacred hamlet
the only retcon is that she escaped herself after hearing winston
rustic light
This is so ignorant I'm sorry
sacred hamlet
But my opinions
limpid agate
His picture is the streamer Forsen
peak escarp
your opinions suck
worthy rose
Are provably wrong half the time.
sacred hamlet
Owies
limpid agate
An opinion is "I dont like Rise and Shine"
An opinion is not "Rise and Shine did not retcon anything, its a copy paste of her bio"
sacred hamlet
OK so should I support the cinematic instead of going against it then
rustic light
You can say you didn't like it
limpid agate
Youre not making opinions
worthy rose
Do whatever, just don't make up evidence.
no you can go against it just dont try to say things that arent true
limpid agate
Youre making wrong facts and saying they are opinions
rustic light
There's a difference between doing that and making up reasons for it to be bad
worthy rose
exactly
sacred hamlet
My opinion is that it was a waste of resources considering most of the story had already been told a long time ago
that's my opinion
My criticism is the rest
sacred hamlet
Yeah
they changed it a bi
still not worthy of a cinematic
that's my issue with it
worthy rose
in your opinion
white cobalt
And thats your opinion
limpid agate
It reintroduced Recall, the most important plot point in all of Overwatch other than arguably the Omnic Crisis
peak escarp
what would be "worthy" then?
sacred hamlet
Well, would you rather have Mei's story retold through a cinematic with a few retconned bits
iron plume
the Odyssey is just "the dude sailed back home" plus some added bits
sacred hamlet
Or an entire new story for a character without a comic or a cinematic
you knw
Lucio
Zenyatta
worthy rose
With some development such as knowing what Mei is doing
limpid agate
Or an entire new story for a character without a comic or a cinematic
Mei was a hero without a comic or a cinematic
Thats why they made her one
peak escarp
because it needed to be updated
limpid agate
Because they had to change it
rustic light
What did you want them to do? Put Mei in the same room as Winston?
limpid agate
And for some reason
sacred hamlet
It's like making a Cinematic about Lucio jamming for 5 minutes
limpid agate
They dont like manually updating bios
rustic light
Like what would you do for a Mei short that isn't that
sacred hamlet
Anything else that isn't already told in her Bio
rustic light
See, that would've sucked
sacred hamlet
Her bio is 70% of the cinematic
iron plume
Would you be happy with a cinematic of Lucio leading the uprising to overthrow vishkar
sacred hamlet
that's the problem
rustic light
What even is gonna be a Lucio cinematic if not his bio
peak escarp
her bio was changed
white cobalt
Thats YOUR problem, thats it
limpid agate
Lucio has done nothing but his bio
peak escarp
that's what we keep trying to tell you
sacred hamlet
Actually a cinematic of Lucio vs Symmetra would've been pretty cool
Or something we still don't know
iron plume
he hasn't met symmetra yet
white cobalt
^
rustic light
Let's just put them randomly together without explaining their pasts because someone wrote 10 sentences about it
sacred hamlet
It's just better to base cinematics around stuff we don't know
sacred hamlet
instead of making it about a Bio
limpid agate
Drop it
white cobalt
Oh god
iron plume
flashbacks to horrible fan cinematic writeups
limpid agate
And move on
white cobalt
its going circles
sacred hamlet
Ok so what now
limpid agate
You are derailing this chat talking about nothing
This is 1 vs 100, with one guy making circular arguments and presenting incorrect facts as opinions
worthy rose
Or facts.
quasi siren
Do you guys think hero 30 was mentioned in the teaser yesterday? Personally I don't
iron plume
I think they were mentioned but Baptiste might be a misdirect
quasi siren
I think they just teased what organization the hero is with and their nationality
worthy rose
^
limpid agate
The rest of the squad is MIA, and the other two seem to be little more than just an analyst and commander at the moment
rustic light
Baptiste is a misdirect
white cobalt
I still have my doubts about the name dropping
iron plume
I think Cuerva might be the hero
rustic light
Cuerva is dead
iron plume
whut
worthy rose
Probably dead
white cobalt
i guess till tomorrow is gonna be the next bit of lore
worthy rose
we all know next hero will be jetpack cat
rustic light
if you read the letter you can assume they didn't come back
iron plume
Cuerva went to get him
limpid agate
Baptiste has 80% chance. Cuerva has 10%. Something else I cant expect is on the other 10%
Cuerva is MIA
iron plume
....not really
peak escarp
Jetpack cat is a meme that needs to die
quasi siren
I think Baptiste had to fight hero 30 and Cuerva hired hero 30 in haiti
worthy rose
We don't know much about Cuerva
rustic light
Baptiste is most likely a misdirect
iron plume
I wouldn't say most likely
rustic light
Brigitte teaser 1 was White Dome
limpid agate
Ok
worthy rose
hell everything blizz said could be a misdirect
iron plume
you're cherrypicking
worthy rose
Makes no sense to make Baptiste and kill him immediately.
limpid agate
Ana/Sombra/Orisa/Doomfist/Hammond first teaser was relevant to said hero
Ana first teaser was rifle
worthy rose
Especially with the details we have.
limpid agate
Sombra first teaser was Sombra fucking with Lumerico
Orisa first teaser was Efi praising OR14s and talking about a special project she wanted to build with her grant for being a genius robotics expert
Doomfist first teaser was breaking out of jail
iron plume
Brigitte was the only one where the person first thought of had nothing to do with them
limpid agate
Hammond first teaser was King's ROw with a massive Horizon ad and a small Scrapyard ad
Brig was the only herring
With Emre
And compared to Emre
rustic light
I was also reading it would be wrong to call the hero "Baptiste" because their name is Jean-Baptiste and to french people it would be like shorting the name "Steve" to "Stev", so it's unlikely the hero would be named Baptist/Baptiste
limpid agate
Baptiste is given excrutiating detail, as well as a mini arg in the tweet, with the hex gibberish revealing his name
worthy rose
They put too much effort and detailing into Baptiste to not have him be a hero.
limpid agate
I knew a guy named Jonh-Paul who went by Paul
limpid agate
I knew a girl named Anne-Marie who went by Marie
Jean-Baptiste going by Baptsite is not irregular with my experience
white cobalt
Do you think this reveal gonna impact Archives or gonna be another entire story?
worthy rose
Definitely archives
peak escarp
they assumed Echo would be the new hero for all of 3 minutes
limpid agate
If Baptiste is the hero
peak escarp
until Jeff announced Ashe
iron plume
well it's still the first showing being a misdirect
limpid agate
He will likely be playable in Archives
well it's still the first showing being a misdirect
Going by that
Ashe was first
Then Bob
Then Echo
worthy rose
Now we have a 100% guaranteed Talon healer.
iron plume
we already have a guaranteed talon healer
worthy rose
That's a probably.
worthy rose
And Moira was already used in Retribution.
limpid agate
Oh for Archives
rustic light
I really, really doubt Overwatch would give a religious name to a Hero
limpid agate
Thats what you meant
worthy rose
Yes.
quasi siren
I doubt they'll use reaper and Moira in this years archives
worthy rose
Of course not.
peak escarp
@rustic light like John Frances Morrison?
worthy rose
Even one overlap wouldn't be amazing
rustic light
You mean Soldier: 76?
limpid agate
Sombra/DF/Widow/Baptiste
peak escarp
yes
rustic light
I'm talking about the actual hero-select name
limpid agate
What about mercy
Who in every language that is not English or Japanese
Is named Angel
peak escarp
Francis is a common saint name
rustic light
An Angel is different
peak escarp
and Jack was confirmed to be Catholic
rustic light
Baptiste is a reference to an actual person
quasi siren
Would be cool if they released a talon tank amd healer for archives but they will never do a double release
peak escarp
peak escarp
Jesse McCree is literally named after a real person
rustic light
I'm sorry but you're missing the point
white cobalt
Ok, elaborate?
white cobalt
Jean-Baptiste is a common name as Peter
limpid agate
Which is also a religious name
limpid agate
Moira is just Irish Maria
worthy rose
Who u think is gonna be hero 30
limpid agate
Baptiste is the forerunner
quasi siren
Is speculating about Baptists abilities considered mmm whats the word, early?
worthy rose
No
worthy rose
ye
We already know he is a good shot and has "the devil's own luck"
It's unlikely he has a short-range weapon like a shotgun, and there's probably some kind of other ability using this luck.
limpid agate
I doubt theres any luck based abilitiy
worthy rose
Yeah, it does
limpid agate
Ana is lucky
ANd a good shot
And has a survival instinct
But the same 3 apply to D.Va
And the two heroes are extremely different
quasi siren
I doubt luck will apply to his kit
limpid agate
All we know that we can extend to his kit is that he is a medic
peak escarp
"I have the devil's own luck" is also a voice line Reaper has
rustic light
There is no way a hero making reference to Jean-Baptiste Augustin would be shortened to Baptist/Baptiste, and even if you tell me your friends, from your own experience have shortened their names "Marie" "Paul", it's not common to do that, a character that is French with French-speaking VA is not going to let OVW get away doing that.
Jean-Baptiste is UNUSUAL to be shortened, it would be odd to actual French people
peak escarp
but that's how Cuerva refers to him in the letter
rustic light
And even then, names like that are shortened to for example JC from Jean-Christophe but not Chris
rustic light
That's on Cuerva
iron plume
Cuerva knows him well
limpid agate
Also Sombra
iron plume
he wouldn't be using it if it wasn't his codename or a shortening
white cobalt
Cuerva trained Baptiste
quasi siren
Does Sombra actually know him? I only remember her hacking into his files? Would she need to hack into his files if she knew him?
iron plume
It's pretty much accepted that Sombra will hack into everything
limpid agate
^
quasi siren
Fair enough
Or to counter my self, perhaps she is hacking into his files to blackmail him similar to what she did with Katskya
iron plume
katskya
uhm
quasi siren
Idfk her name
iron plume
volskaya
it's on the map
quasi siren
Russian lady with lots of mechs
limpid agate
Its Volskaya Industries
Not Katskya Industries
Not only did you fuse their names, you made her Polish
quasi siren
Lmfao
peak escarp
the release cycle has been fairly consistent for everything except maps
sacred hamlet
Is 3 months really that inconsistent
I mean it's only happened this time around right
peak escarp
I mean, they tend to release heroes and events the same time every year
March, July, November for heroes
Events except for LNY also come out the same time every year
but maps have been less consistent
rustic light
I thought it was only inconsistent for january
peak escarp
Rialto was out in May instead of June, Paris was out in February instead of January
rustic light
Rialto was because of Archives
peak escarp
yes
rustic light
and it's most likely what they're gonna do now again
peak escarp
they did at least give reasons for the inconsistency
rustic light
Anyways talking about Archives
what do you think the event is going to be
I'm betting on the Rio de Janeiro mission
peak escarp
the Cairo mission Ana mentioned in Bastet would be nice
when they shut down the Anubis project
rustic light
Hrmmm
peak escarp
the problem with doing Crisis-era missions is that there aren't enough heroes
rustic light
Then again
"They’d just won a major battle in Rio de Janeiro. “I remember
the beach,” Ana smiled."
rustic light
I'm not sure if Gabriel could teleport back in actual canon Retribution though
peak escarp
so that leaves Reinhardt and Torbjorn, and they've both been in events already
he was starting to have wraith powers by Retribution - we don't know the full extent, but certainly more than he would have had 20 years before meeting Moira
rustic light
Thing with the mission where the 5 show up is that how they looked in that one art is no longer accurate
rustic light
It's my second language so maybe, but what I'm saying, there is official art of Rein, Ana, Jack, Gabe and Torb fighting together
rustic light
For example Rein is shown with his white hair look but since this fight takes place shortly after Overwatch "calls" him, he most likely looked like in his Eichenwalde cinematic
rustic light
Yeah
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxc_H7-X0AAxuna.jpg This is how they'd look if I'm not wrong
Minus the outfits obviously
peak escarp
pretty much
rustic light
And maybe a SEP Jack
peak escarp
Jack and Ana are the only ones who look right
worthy rose
Jack seems to be a lefty in this one
rustic light
The art is wrong, mirrored probably, his eye thing is also on the wrong side
peak escarp
this is most likely because that early art was done based on skins they already had
rustic light
Of course
peak escarp
Strike Commander Morrison and Blackwatch Reyes
rustic light
Blackwatch didn't exist yet, that's the thing, and Gabe was the "leader" in this
peak escarp
plus the default looks of Rein and Torb, and Ana's concept art
rustic light
Jack was made commander afterwards so I don't think his outfit is right either?
peak escarp
no
I'd like to see him get an SEP skin
and Ana get an Egyptian sniper skin
to complete the set
rustic light
Ana's might be wrong too since "Horus" is the one said by the legendary description to be her outfit before joining Overwatch
peak escarp
Horus kinda works but it still has the Overwatch logo on it
rustic light
That was just lazyness in the re-color tbh
hasty surge
The new hero is french?
rustic light
There's also this concept art used for HOTS Lucio but you can straight up tell it came from the Overwatch team
peak escarp
that's another thing from the Galand interview
they know we want some HotS skins in OW
he said no promises, but they're looking at it
limpid agate
That HotS Lucio background is based on Estadio das Ras
rustic light
Yes but it's not the usual OVW backgrounds used by the HotS team
sacred hamlet
That artwork really makes Rio look like a promising map
and if not Rio, still looks like a gorgeous map
A shame SA doesn't seem to exist anymore in OW
rustic light
We have every skin to have a Rio de Janeiro mission minus SEP Jack, if anything is likely to be the next archives, its that
peak escarp
doesn't seem to exist anymore
sacred hamlet
Actually nevermind it is Rio
rustic light
That's Rio what do you mean
rustic light
The statue is not in this angle
sacred hamlet
A REAL shame
peak escarp
if they did the Rio mission that Ana mentioned, who would the healer be?
rustic light
sacred hamlet
maybe Ana
rustic light
Can't be
She was a sniper
if anything, Ana will be the voice telling you what to do
peak escarp
Ana wasn't a healer until after he went MIA
rustic light
Mercy wasn't working for OVW yet
rustic light
Before Overwatch was a thing
peak escarp
Mercy didnt join for another 15 years
rustic light
the original Strike team
sacred hamlet
Okay so mid crisis
dawn halo
But how long did it took for Overwatch to win the Omnic Crisis?
rustic light
Jack is rumoured to be a medic, so if anything, they'll make it so you can heal yourself in other way
clever silo
Where is Jack rumored to be a medic?
peak escarp
@dawn halo we don't know
iron plume
Mercy wasn't in for mid-crisis either
dawn halo
In fact, all the forty year old characters could REMEMBER the Omnic Crisis but don't fight in it.
Unless some are vigilanties or child soldiers.
sacred hamlet
That should make sense in some way
peak escarp
the crisis happened about 30 years ago, and as of 23 years ago (White Dome) they were clearing out the last pockets of resistance
sacred hamlet
7 years fighting a Crisis back and the world ditches on OW after 2 decades
Really makes the population in OW's world look entitled
even unrealistic to be honest
clever silo
3 decades
peak escarp
a few of the heroes were children during the crisis - McCree, Mercy, Widowmaker, Ashe, Zarya, etc
dawn halo
So this makes our timeframe of around 7 years, it's feasible for a world war like Omnic Crisis.
iron plume
How entitled they were for not wanting a paramilitary organization waging battles in their countries against the government's explicit wishes
sacred hamlet
Imagine liking the government 
iron plume
not really the point but if that's what you take from it
peak escarp
my government is fine
dawn halo
Doctor_Six, The characters who would be in their late thirties and older would be old enough to remember the Crisis in better detail.
peak escarp
yes
sacred hamlet
Still a small team who saved the world and made an organization to keep it safe
Conspired against like that
and then destroyed
I blame the Zoomers
iron plume
they were nowhere near a "small team" at the fall
dawn halo
And its connected to the Conspiracy, AKA: The Illuminati.
rustic light
hang on what
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet Can you not shitpost random ideas.
iron plume
that's a generous term
sacred hamlet
At this point everything I say is shitposting
Might as well start listing off Quotes from the OW page
dawn halo
Don't.
limpid agate
1/6 of those "small team" were still in Overwatch at the time it was dissolved, after:
- 2 of them killed eachother and blew up the HQ
- A third was killed in Poland
- A fourth was forced into retirement
sacred hamlet
That seems like reliable info
rustic light
I don't think it's hard to stay on realistic ideas about the game lore
limpid agate
It doesnt matter if the organization won a war 20 years prior
Thats not the same organization anymore
It has only 1 of the same members
iron plume
and even if it was, it's doing far different things
like performing undercover operations in places that don't want them
dawn halo
And doing illegal AIRSTRIKES!
limpid agate
And went through a number of international conflicts that included the desctruction of entire facilities and gunfights in city streets
rustic light
hang on who killed each other?
iron plume
Jack and Reyes
peak escarp
they essentially became a vigilante organization
iron plume
in the explosion
peak escarp
of course the public would turn on them
rustic light
Regarding Gabriel I still believe he is a double agent
limpid agate
This isn't "They saved the world, but fuck them"
This is "They saved the world 20 years ago, and now are actively destroying it. Fuck them"
iron plume
it's pretty much the avengers civil war plot hook except Overwatch was a government org in the first place
peak escarp
saving the world doesn't give them carte blanc to do what they want
limpid agate
I'd say its a better pathed excuse than MCU Civil War
sacred hamlet
So the entire concept of OW is that the world will never win then right
clever silo
No.
sacred hamlet
It gets saved one time, it's kept safe for some more by an organization who previously saved them
clever silo
They've said multiple times that Overwatch is a look at a bright future.
rustic light
Overwatch is about hope
iron plume
it is better pathed
and no one complains about that one
sacred hamlet
Gets conspired against, destroyed from the inside
It's finally gone
And now the world is in ruins again
That's OW right
iron plume
the world is not in ruins in the present
clever silo
How is the world in ruins in present day?
peak escarp
and then Overwatch comes back
iron plume
it has problems and more trouble brewing but it's better off
sacred hamlet
So you're saying Winston was bullshiting me all this time with the Overwatch Recall Trailer
What a tricky smoke
dawn halo
Hate to break it, once the Omnic Crisis was concluded, it was certain the age of military dominance from the United States was definitely over if China didn't surpass the U.S. by then, and then came in the era of military dominance in the UN's hands through Overwatch... But what about the post Overwatch world? What's the most powerful country or organization in this world after the Petras Act was put into effect?
rustic light
I swear scoots you're just baiting this chat most of the time
sacred hamlet
I am not
peak escarp
he was showing the worst of the world to get agents to come back
rustic light
I'm new and 90% of your messages feel like bait
peak escarp
Winston was cherrypicking
iron plume
I don't think you know what passive aggressiveness is
dawn halo
Don't underestimate Winston, he's smart as fuck if he can create a device that has no realistic energy source within a world that's semi realistic.
peak escarp
think Ironman's arc reactor
sacred hamlet
That's what I'm getting from it
peak escarp
it has its own rechargeable power source
dawn halo
I think about a new element or form of energy.
clever silo
new element
peak escarp
we see Tracer charging it in Reflections
rustic light
What pushes Winston into the recall is Gabriel, Talon is back at it
iron plume
yep
sacred hamlet
It's not a push though
dawn halo
Davi, actually, it was when Doomfist returned that Talon was truly back.
iron plume
he sees Talon is ramping up and decides they need to be pushed back
sacred hamlet
He was considering it for a long time
rustic light
and Gabriel COULD have killed Winston
iron plume
@dawn halo the Reaper attack was when Winston knew they were back
peak escarp
Reaper is arrogant
rustic light
"Hope you're not feeling sentimental"
peak escarp
instead of just shooting Winston, he took a moment to make a quip
sacred hamlet
He's got past with Winston
clever silo
It was a lot more plausible before Bastet
sacred hamlet
Why wouldn't he
dawn halo
@iron plume, Talon was under the leadership of Vialli during Recall, until Doomfist's breakout, where he killed said man in Masquerade. Once then, Talon was back to it's original goal after the purge.
clever silo
Let me try to find the thing from Bastet making it harder for that to be true, let me try to find it
sacred hamlet
As long as he knows who he's killing, it's natural he'll want to talk.
clever silo
I don't recall what it was
rustic light
What would be harder?
iron plume
Reaper is when Winston found out about them
rustic light
The double agent?
clever silo
Mhmm
peak escarp
Reaper being a double agent seems too implausible to me
dawn halo
Davi, Chu could be throwing curveballs at us.
peak escarp
we don't know the whole story, but I don't think that's it
limpid agate
I believe at some point
Reyes started working with both sides
Or at the very least
He started working with Talon before Overwatch went under
rustic light
Oh you remember his chinese year skin he just got?
willow vigil
does dr. winston have a first name?
peak escarp
Harold
willow vigil
oh yh
limpid agate
I base this on him knowing Doomfist well enough for the two to converse as familiars in Masquerade.
Akande seems to know Reaper's past well enough, and he is unfazed by this
So I believe this indicates that Reyes and Akande worked together before he was arrested
dawn halo
And probably had the balls to go and rescue Akande from his MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON during the breakout.
peak escarp
theres about a year or so between the Swiss HQ explosion and when Doomfist got busted