lore-discussion

[sacred hamlet]

It hasn't even advanced one year yet in lore

[pine acorn]

oof

[west cove]

best case scenario, the next archives event will kick off an actual consistent release schedule of lore
but we know that won't happen

[pine acorn]

Hope for the best

[sacred hamlet]

Until Blizzard starts Lore some love and at least try to get some revenue out of it, they probably won't

They could've turned OW into a show years ago if they wanted but I don't think that's an option anymore

[pine acorn]

I just want at least the past cleared up. Like the switz headquarters attack, how widow killed her hubby.

I just want explanation

[sacred hamlet]

And when shit like RWBY, produced by a bunch of youtubers with the most scuffed animation ever, manages to get the love of thousands of people

It's rather believable that it would've gained at least some sucess

[pine acorn]

danggg I haven't seen RWBY in a bit

[sacred hamlet]

I've never seen it but I know it has a huge fanbase

[pine acorn]

Its good

That christmas comic, why was mcree in mexico?

[sacred hamlet]

when they first announced it in 2013 I thought it would be just some short gig and fail immediately

but it's still alive with a healthy fanbase

so that's cool

He wasn't

Pretty sure that's Route 66

[pine acorn]

He wasn't at castillo's bar?

With sombra in the backround

[valid shell]

Yup, he was in Mexico.

[pine acorn]

The rug in the back of the comic is the same as in the game

[valid shell]

The Junkers have also been there.

[pine acorn]

Fr?

[valid shell]

It's a popular outlaw bar.

[pine acorn]

I love how basically across the street is sombra's hangout lmao

[valid shell]

Eh.

Take that with a grain of salt.

@neon plinth wtf

i'm not downloading your weird vore porn

<@&397922982632226816>

[brisk bay]

yikes

[valid shell]

Moving on.

[pine acorn]

oh god

My eyes

[valid shell]

@pine acorn Castillo is probably a compressed version of the actual area.

[pine acorn]

Most likely.

[valid shell]

I bet the bar and Sombra's apartment are accurate, but I doubt they're within spitting distance.

[pine acorn]

Yeah

[limpid agate]

Rise and Shine is a good example of that

Where layout and distance are not the same in game as they are in universe

Honour and Glory also does a good job of showing that

[pine acorn]

Uh huh

[limpid agate]

But in a different way

[pine acorn]

Who is the next hero that you want in the game?

[limpid agate]

I want Sanjay, but he aint gonna happen

It looks like Baptiste is gonna be 30

[pine acorn]

Is it just me or is the ages in overwatch weird?

[limpid agate]

Just you

[pine acorn]

Like do all 30 yo look as young as sombra?

And mercy is like 40 or sumn

[limpid agate]

37

[pine acorn]

But the nano tech

[limpid agate]

Its not Nanotech

Its a pixar artstyle

Everyone looks young

[pine acorn]

weirt

[west cove]

pretty much that

and future skincare

[valid shell]

Ever seen a man in his 60's who looks like Reinhardt?

[west cove]

except for hanzo, who inherited shitty genes

[pine acorn]

lol

[valid shell]

My bisexual lizard brain disagrees.

[pine acorn]

Oh

[west cove]

i mean, he looks attractive, but not his age

[sacred hamlet]

All this shade on Hanzo

So rude

[pine acorn]

I used to enjoy hanzo's lore

[sacred hamlet]

What changed

[granite gazelle]

ForsenCD

[pine acorn]

idk i just thought it was so cool he was on a path of redemption or whatever. But then i realized this man literally did not get any advancements in his lore that much

[west cove]

that goes for most

[sacred hamlet]

List me 2 characters in OW who have advanced in their lores

I'll wait 'till 2025

If I'm not dead

[granite gazelle]

Oof

[limpid agate]

Bastion and Doomfist

[peak escarp]

^

[pine acorn]

Sombra and zarya

[sacred hamlet]

Is Torb discovering Bastion post-Recall

Actually nevermind most Comics are post-Recall

Okay so perhaps there's a lot of character advancements in OW

They just tend to not mean a lot

[pine acorn]

lol

ye

[peak escarp]

the only comic not circa recall is Legacy

[sacred hamlet]

Except for Sombra blackmailing the Queen of Russia for 2 years and doing nothing with it

Excuse me, "circa recall" ⁉

[peak escarp]

circa means "around the time of"

we don't know if most of the shorts/comics are before or after Recall

[sacred hamlet]

"Around the time of" and "approximately" also mean around the time of.

The fuck is that word and why have I never seen it.

[pine acorn]

lol

[peak escarp]

circa has fewer letters

[sacred hamlet]

U has also fewer letters than You

[peak escarp]

the only short not circa Recall is The Last Bastion

[sacred hamlet]

But that's informal so it's different

So it's before then

[peak escarp]

it's about 10-15 years before

[pine acorn]

fr? i didn't even know that

[limpid agate]

Volskaya is not the Queen of Russia, much like how Henry Ford was not the King of America

[peak escarp]

yep

[sacred hamlet]

Til The Last Bastion is 15 years in the bast

I don't mean literally the Queen

I'm saying she's an important figure slash leader

[limpid agate]

Or how Porsche wasn't the king of Germany

I think Porsche might be the best parallel for Volskaya

Porsche the man, not Porsche the car company

[pine acorn]

Wait where did we learn it was 15 years in the past? Wouldn't that also mean that comic with bastion was also 15 years before when torb found him?

[sacred hamlet]

Whmegalul

[limpid agate]

Although he is responsible for the company, he is also responsible for Volkswagen

[sacred hamlet]

Never heard of him

[peak escarp]

No

the comic is present day

[limpid agate]

@pine acorn The Last Bastion is decades in the past.

Binary is present day

[sacred hamlet]

So excuse me

How has Bastion not been destroyed in 15 years roaming

[pine acorn]

So he just been wandering around for 15 years

[sacred hamlet]

He's definitely a though cookie, but the moment someone had a glance of him, he'd be hunt down furiously

[peak escarp]

it was wandering around the Black Forest and other parts of uninhabited Europe

[sacred hamlet]

For 15 years

[limpid agate]

DO you know the story of Yokoi Shouichi

[pine acorn]

No

[limpid agate]

He was a Japanese soldier who hid for about 30 years

And didnt know the war was over for decades

[worthy rose]

oh is he the dude who kept fighting ww2

man that's a big oof that no one told him

[limpid agate]

He was in a group of 12

[limpid agate]

But all of them either died or left before the war ended

[peak escarp]

theres the timeline of shorts/comics up to 2017

I forgot about the Junkenstein Halloween party

[pine acorn]

Thats crazy how bastion just wake up in the golden age like that and nobody know for 30 years but some horny teens find him when he near a city

[peak escarp]

that was before too

maybe other people did see Bastion, but nobody believed them

[worthy rose]

it's always some horny teens

[pine acorn]

Bastion really haunting these nibbas

[peak escarp]

or when they went to look for it Bastion was gone

[pine acorn]

Like a turd, in the wind

[peak escarp]

it wouldn't stick around where it wasn't wanted

[worthy rose]

bastion is adorable

he is like a child level of sentience

just full of wonder

[slow goblet]

Why tf is Junkenstein’s on the timeline.
I guess because of the fact Reinhardt’s telling the story, but like... feels weird.

[peak escarp]

because the story is told at a Halloween party ft. all the Overwatch regulars

[dawn halo]

Doctor_Six, that's the point, because it basically is a reenactment of Frankenstein but with Overwatch characters.

[peak escarp]

we still see the cast outside the story

[slow goblet]

I stand by it feels weird they need to specify Junkenstein’s placement. Like I get that they’re there out of the story but still feels weird

[peak escarp]

so this party fits on the timeline, after Mercy joined (maybe before Genji joined?)

[dawn halo]

A better question is, how did the omnic transport all their ground troops across millions of kilometers of land quickly, because marching takes a long while, especially since Bastion units are slower than normal humans.

[peak escarp]

they were air dropped

just like in Uprising

[dawn halo]

I was guessing so.

And during the Omnic Crisis, they probably also used ground and sea transports too.

[peak escarp]

you can see remnants of Bastion's pod around it when it wakes up

[slow goblet]

And you see them drop in Honour and Glory

[peak escarp]

Bastion dropped and never activated

[dawn halo]

This sparks more questions, they can air drop in Bastions, could they also send in heavy vehicles to attack the Crusaders at Eichenwalde or use heavier ground transports?

[slow goblet]

How is Ganymede alive if it’s been 15 years? Is the Ganymede we see in Binary a descendant of original Ganymede, or is it original Ganymede but super old?

[limpid agate]

There are lots of birds that live 20+ years

[sacred hamlet]

And obese hamsters who live over 14 as well

coff coff Hammond

[dawn halo]

The Battle of Eichenwalde was fought on the plains, which equals OPTIMIZED use of heavy vehicles. Look at the historical battle of Kursk, or the more recent Battle of 73 Easting. The Omnics could easily sent heavy vehicles to CRUSH the Crusaders.

[limpid agate]

Hammond is genetically modified

Ganymede is not

[potent aurora]

yo anyone see the letter about cuerva?

during owl

[limpid agate]

It was first published 6 hours ago

[potent aurora]

ah

[limpid agate]

Full letter here:

Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9

[potent aurora]

thnks

[sacred hamlet]

So is Hammond an obese boy or a big genetically modified boy

Or both

[limpid agate]

Genetically modified

[sacred hamlet]

So he's not fat

Just really big

[slow goblet]

Ganymede looks to be a mutated Cardinal, and Cardinals live to be 15 at the eldest. Seeing how Ganymede was already old enough to be building nests, it’s safe to assume he’s like 16. So... Ganymede gun die soon if it is Ganymede 1

[limpid agate]

Ganymede is not a real breed of bird

He lives as long as the writers want him to

[dawn halo]

Regarding the Cuerva, could this suggest the upcoming Archives?

Could it mean the next Archives is in Haiti?

[limpid agate]

Archives is in April

This is February

Its hero 30

[sacred hamlet]

Suggests that this year's Archives will feature Talon

That's all

[dawn halo]

Forsen, Retribution involved Talon too.

[sacred hamlet]

I mean

[limpid agate]

Playing as Talon

[sacred hamlet]

Feature Talon as the playable team

Not an enemy

[limpid agate]

DF/Widow/Sombra/Baptiste

[peak escarp]

it's a strong possibility

but it's equally possible that they throw a curveball and Baptiste is another red herring

[limpid agate]

At this stage, and with how much more he has than Emre Sarioglu

I'd say its more 70-30

[sacred hamlet]

How could it not be Baptiste though

[valid shell]

It will likely be a Talon mission comprised of (Talon) Sombra, (Talon) Widowmaker, (Talon) Doomfist when he was just an operative and hadn't killed Akinjide yet, and (Talon) Baptiste before he left.

[limpid agate]

Because its not just the namedrop in the letter.

[sacred hamlet]

Emre and the Petra guy are just background characters

[limpid agate]

Its also the Hex Code spelling out his name

Him being a medic

And him taking out the hitsquad that was after him

Petras.

Petra is a place

Petras is a person

[sacred hamlet]

Excuse me sir

The Petra guy guy

Not the guy named petra

I forget his name

Hamid or something

[dire timber]

@slow goblet I do think that the current Ganymede and the Ganymede from The Last Bastion aren't the same tbh

[sacred hamlet]

Actually nevermind Petras is also a person for some reason

[dawn halo]

That's right, and Petras is a HVT for someone like Talon, because he is a high ranking person within the original Overwatch.

[sacred hamlet]

Seriously the number of vague names throw into these letters, files, computers

It really just shows they're all just background characters

[limpid agate]

Hamid will be a hero eventually

It seems today was not his day

[sacred hamlet]

The probability of one of them being a hero is just unlikely

How does a message in a computer make you think that though

[limpid agate]

Its not a message in a computer

Its an entire map dedicated to pointing out "Hamid was here"

Its laid on as thick as Sombra.

[sacred hamlet]

Ok let me do clue research

[dawn halo]

But, if an Archives involving Talon is done, it's going to shift what Archives means as an event, because then were not just talking Overwatch files, but Talon files too.

[sacred hamlet]

Took another look at the Petra thing and in it

All I see is the computer message

I now feel bamboozled

[dawn halo]

Can you give me a picture?

[devout ocean]

when is the anniversary event again

[sacred hamlet]

I'm pretty sure Archives can include anyone

Archives is supposed to be based around the character's past

[limpid agate]

http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/what-petra-map-reveals

[sacred hamlet]

It doesn't have to be strictly related to the OW Crew

[dawn halo]

We don't know yet, and revealing segments of the past gives a few headaches, which then we have to assemble it piece by piece, and glue it with headcanon until we get more pieces and repeat.

[limpid agate]

@dawn halo If its a Talon raid against Overwatch

And you're killing OW agents

It doesnt need rebranding at all

Its still a file out of Overwatch's archives

[sacred hamlet]

@devout ocean May-July

[dire timber]

hmmm, in hindsight, I think the Overwatch team wanted to introduce a male hero, and to introduce a Talon healer

[limpid agate]

Its in May

[sacred hamlet]

Oh boy another Talon healer

[dire timber]

it kinda sucks that Haiti wasn't used for the kind of character I wanted it to be used for, though

[limpid agate]

Sounds about right. More Talon, more supports, and a dude

Probably the fabled "Male main healer" people have wanted since Ana

And instead got 2 more girls

[dawn halo]

It could be Haiti, because Overwatch takes place globally.

[sacred hamlet]

Damn Blizzard not valuing men's contribution as MAIN Healers

smh

[dire timber]

I wanted Haiti to be the country of origin of a pirate black lady hero

[sacred hamlet]

@limpid agate Hamid still seems unlikely

[limpid agate]

For 30

Agreed

For 31+

[sacred hamlet]

Out of all the characters teased in messages

[limpid agate]

Disagreed

[sacred hamlet]

He seems the least probable to actually become one

[dire timber]

hmm

[sacred hamlet]

And the most probable to bet a Jebait

[dire timber]

who

[sacred hamlet]

I imagine he's going to be mentioned more in the future and then be replaced with someone related to him

Something completely new

In the same way Efi was

[limpid agate]

Thats

Not comparable

No one thought Efi would be playable

[sacred hamlet]

Maybe an Artifact-like Omnic

[dire timber]

Efi is a child

[sacred hamlet]

I thought

[limpid agate]

Evidentally, you did not think

[dawn halo]

Child fighting in war = CHILD SOLDIERS!

[sacred hamlet]

Could always just control a Robot

which isn't the case for Orisa

[limpid agate]

ANd lo and behold

Thats what we got

Efi made a robot

[sacred hamlet]

since she's an independent being

Yeah but she doesn't control her

I'm saying maybe Hamid will be the same

[dawn halo]

Still, it's fucked up for Efi to be fighting in combat, because she could be a child soldier.

[limpid agate]

So what

Hamid will be included in the future eventually

Whether its him, him in an excavator, or an excavator bot he built

He will be in the game in some capacitiy in the near future

But not hero 30

[sacred hamlet]

Or maybe someone related to him

But yeah bot is probable

Yeah obviously

Also I don't see the problem in Efi fighting with robots

[limpid agate]

Unless through some weird and lazy twist of fate, Baptiste moved to Iraq, became an archeologist, and took on the fake name "Hamid Faisal"

[sacred hamlet]

you can have underrage characters fighting in a couple of games

[limpid agate]

He aint hero 30

[sacred hamlet]

something something Annie

[limpid agate]

Something something not a fps

[sacred hamlet]

Oh so it's okay in MOBAS 'cause it's not brutal enough

[limpid agate]

You're not gunning down Annie point black by unloading a pair of necrotic shotguns into her face

[sacred hamlet]

Something something no limbs in my OW game

I mea

You can literally maul her with Urgot

But yeah "probably" different

[limpid agate]

Are you mauling her in a first person perspective, as if you are personally beating a little girl to death with a rusty hammer and hook?

No

[sacred hamlet]

Who has the rusty hammer

Never seen a character with a rusty hammer in OW before

[dawn halo]

What about with the new healer, the healing centers around throwing syringes at allies which have gradual health restore like Roadhog's Take a Breather but less healing than that.

[sacred hamlet]

And yeah those are two very different games with different settings

still wouldn't be a problem if she controlled another bot instead of fighting herself

I'm sure the new healer will be a DPS Healer hybrid

More focused on DPS probably

[dawn halo]

What about we have something like Lúcio's Crossfade, Hero 30 has a syringe machine gun and can alter the syringes doing damage or healing.

And the throwing syringes with gradual health restore could be an ability.

[sacred hamlet]

Wowie I love Fallout 4, Capitão, Medic from TF2 and Sona

Very cool concept

I was thinking he would just drop healthpacks

but yeah he could be that

Maybe he has bullets that reduce enemy healing

that would stick a stick up GOATS ass

maybe his Ult makes his gun pierce enemies

[dawn halo]

I got what the Ultimate is, it's where he inputs a magazine in and fires a barrage of special bullets that reduce enemy healing and drains enemy health.

[sacred hamlet]

Yes that sounds solid

so maybe he's just a marksman who happens to be a chemist

and he's able to modify his bullets with harming effects

Sounds a lot like Ana to be honest, but I don't think the -100% healing effect should remain exclusive to her forever

[peak escarp]

syringe gun that does healing or damage

that's 100% Ana

[dawn halo]

We can alter what it does, but I like the syringe gun idea.

[tawny patio]

be me
wait for teaser eagerly
see teaser
total bamboozle
v confused

[sacred hamlet]

What's bamboozling about the Teaser

[dawn halo]

I'm leaving this discussion, because it's getting late for me.

[sacred hamlet]

Good day

[limpid agate]

@tawny patio You seem to think its a bamboozle

Before anyone says anythin to sully that opinion

What did you take from it?

[tawny patio]

No I mean

I’m bamboozled
I do not gather anything?
And I’m not sure what I’m missing here?

AH

[limpid agate]

Did you read the letter

[tawny patio]

NEVERMIND

I had only seen the tweet

[sacred hamlet]

The keyword is Bapstitle

That's all you gotta pay attention to

[limpid agate]

They never read.

[sacred hamlet]

Reading is hard you know

[tawny patio]

I was in class until ten minutes ago lol

[sacred hamlet]

Don't take it for granted

[limpid agate]

You dont have the right to talk, you didnt read it either

[hasty surge]

NEW HERO

[peak escarp]

I work with 4-year-olds who can read

[sacred hamlet]

EXCUSE ME

I DID READ IT

[peak escarp]

I'm sure you can manage

[limpid agate]

After I told you to

[sacred hamlet]

What do you mean

The first thing I did today was check Twitter and

Oh I see

[tawny patio]

Having followed the link in the tweet
I now am caught up 😂

[limpid agate]

You read that whole letter in 30 seconds?

[sacred hamlet]

Kapp

[limpid agate]

So what did you take from it?

[sacred hamlet]

Dude you're acting like a school teacher right now shunning a kid for lying about reading something

So mean

[tawny patio]

I think
Probably the biggest thing that stood out to me was honestly the number of name drops

[peak escarp]

don't talk back or Jewvia will give you detention

[sacred hamlet]

Not detention D:

Really

The name drops is what caught your attention

Not the Talon guy running away from Talon and killing everyone who followed him

And then sending their "heads" in a box to his former boss as an invitation for a 1v1

[limpid agate]

Thats...

Not exactly accurate

[sacred hamlet]

How would you summarize it then Professor

[tawny patio]

While the letter has one singular focus on Bapteise or whatever the spelling
Which is whatever

I mean that’s
Obviously the focus of the letter there’s nothing interesting in looking at that

[limpid agate]

Baptiste is a Talon deserter, who had a squad of his former squadmates hunt him down to either capture or eliminate him.
In turn, he eliminated his former squad, and sent their badges to the captain as proof of his deeds, challenging them to fight him as well. As a result, the whole squad was deemed MIA.

He is also a medic.

[sacred hamlet]

So basically what I said

My version was cooler

[limpid agate]

Your version was vague with diction that gave the wrong image.

[tawny patio]

There is however four other people directly named, only three of whom are presumed dead
And a squad mentioned and unnamed
Unless I’m missing something that leaves 5+ figures to look at

[sacred hamlet]

Well excuse me once again, but how does my version differentiate from yours

Apart from the coolness factor

I thought it was a pretty straightforward explanation

[limpid agate]

The captain is also deemed MIA

She noted that her 3 agents went missing in the letter

The prologue mentioned that it was the last mention from their report.

[sacred hamlet]

@tawny patio That's just 3 randos missing in combat, Cuevera guy and Baustit or something

There's really only 2 characters to focus on here

[limpid agate]

Baptiste is the important one for hero 30. McManaway is the least insignificant of the rest.

[sacred hamlet]

All just a bunch of supporting characters that shall never be mentioned again

Except for Bapstite of course 'cause he's going to be hero 30 100%

Yes

He's pointing out how cool and efficient he is

So we can be even more hyped for his inevitable release

[fringe blade]

I feel like this is pulling at straws a bit

[sacred hamlet]

That would be VERY COOL

[tawny patio]

I dunno
I’ve always chosen to focus on the fluff instead of the intent, it’s more interesting imo, and this is the same

Also we already have a self healing tank?

[shell stream]

you missed the next line "like he has the Devil's own luck."

what if he's got a self res?

[limpid agate]

You are assuming a lot from very little

[sacred hamlet]

Oh no

Really bad you mean

[limpid agate]

Baptiste is a medic. That's the most important detail.

[shell stream]

it would be something new...ish

[limpid agate]

The rest of the description can just as easily apply to Ana or Pharah.

[sacred hamlet]

PFFT

Pharah a survivalist

Humungous Kapp right there

[limpid agate]

What do you suggest implies she isnt?

[sacred hamlet]

Not being able to keep her squad alive, having feels about her past and mother in the middle of a fight, and then having a sudden change of heart about what Mother said 'cause Disney.

Pharah seems pretty incompetent if you ask me

Cuerva is spanish for crow

[limpid agate]

Cuerva is also MIA

The captain was just a device to show the power of Baptiste

As was her squad

Missing In Action

Presumed dead

But unconfirmed

Cuerva's squad was seemingly eliminated by Baptiste

[sacred hamlet]

Which is most likely the case

Ana

MHM

Moira is hitscan

Well eh

Yeah but

I'm actually not sure

As far as I know hitscan is for weapons that reach its targets instantly

As long as it's not a projectile, it's most likely a hitscan

[limpid agate]

Ana is not hitscan. This is also not lore.

[sacred hamlet]

Ana's scope is hitscan though

But yeah nevermind

Kinda of hard to speculate

He'll most likely be a marksman

But what weaponry has OW still not utilized

We have beams, grenade launchers, rocket lanuchers, automatic rifles, revolvers, sniper rifles, miniguns, fusion drivers, shotguns.

We still need flamethrowers but that doesn't seem to fit a medic's style;.

Maybe he'll use gas.

Toxic gas is always an interesting mechanic when done right.

[limpid agate]

Grasp is more or less poison gas.

As is Widowmaker's mine

[sacred hamlet]

I mean poison gas that can be sprayed in an area

that at the same time isn't as lackluster as widow's mine

[fringe blade]

is there an ability that is like dps over an area?

because I was thinking that would be a cool idea for a toxic gas cloud

[sacred hamlet]

Mei's Ult

[fringe blade]

Kind of

[sacred hamlet]

Reaper

[fringe blade]

More like a bomb/grenade

[sacred hamlet]

Mei's Ult

[fringe blade]

Maybe it could apply some sort of negative effect

Mei's ult is a bit different

[sacred hamlet]

No, it's the same thing.

[fringe blade]

I mean like an actual toxic cloud

with a much smaller area

of effect

[sacred hamlet]

Mei's Ult could easily be reskinned into a gas cloud.

Just gotta remove the freezing

make it green

[fringe blade]

exactly

[sacred hamlet]

Make it THICCER

[fringe blade]

so it is a different ability, imo

[sacred hamlet]

boom there you're playing Caustic now

[limpid agate]

#overwatch

[fringe blade]

my bad

[sacred hamlet]

I still want my Gas Fire hero

[fringe blade]

Has fire really been explored in this game

Like Torb's ult aside

[sacred hamlet]

Hopefully Talon 30 does something like that

Ashe's TNT

[fringe blade]

True

But that is also really recent, right

[worthy rose]

Haha mei here

[sacred hamlet]

Yes, only Ashe's TNT and Torb's Molten Core utilize fire.

[worthy rose]

How we doin

[sacred hamlet]

Which is a shame since fire is fun to play around in games.

[fringe blade]

And its not exactly fire, its more of like a burn (?).

Fire would be like a flamethrower or something, but we know that ain't happening

[sacred hamlet]

Yes, Ashe's TNT has a burning effect.

[fringe blade]

Anyway, lets get back to lore

This new supposed hero seems like what I was theorizing earlier on this thread. Aren't they like a traitor/fugitive from Talon?

If Talon had to send a whole squad to take them out, they have to hold some significance, most likely

[sacred hamlet]

He don't like Talon no more so he escaped to some deserted place.

He kill Talon people who came after him.

Now he want to kill Talon boss.

[fringe blade]

Maybe Talon was scared that he would tell someone (Overwatch?) some sort of Talon secrets he discovered?

[sacred hamlet]

Or they could just be MIA and he's holding them hostage.

Still defeated them.

Yes Talon is probably a contract 'til death.

[fringe blade]

I wonder, could they be like a mix between 2 classes, kind of like Brig?

Medic and Tank?

[sacred hamlet]

You either die with Talon or have your life expectancy dropped if you leave.

Yes it's a possibility like every single other hybrid

[fringe blade]

But then there is the 'aim' thing

[sacred hamlet]

Hog is a DPS Tank, Brig is a Healer Tank.

[fringe blade]

I pray to all the gods of Blizzard that this isn't a sniper again

[sacred hamlet]

We just need a DPS Healer

Hopefully not, snipers boring.

[peak escarp]

there was a Nguyen among the scientists on Horizon

needless to say, not the same person

[worthy rose]

Nguyen is like the Johnsons of vietnam

[peak escarp]

exactly

[dawn knot]

wia thers

a new hero?

[reef remnant]

New support better be a waifu

[dawn knot]

oof it's support

[worthy rose]

it's "Presumably" a dude

[dawn knot]

i'm thinking they put up dispensers

[reef remnant]

It can be anything we want it to be

[worthy rose]

k

[reef remnant]

K

[dawn knot]

so why is it presumably

not

advocating waifus

but like is there a pattern or something

[reef remnant]

No pattern

They just introduce forced metas by nerfing the current meta

That’s the pattern

If any

[peak escarp]

Jean-Baptiste Augustin is a man

[reef remnant]

jean
It’s clearly a female

[peak escarp]

they use male pronouns when talking about him, and it's a male name

[dawn knot]

that's his name?

sicc name

[reef remnant]

Thicc name

[peak escarp]

not confirmed to be the next hero

but a strong contender

[reef remnant]

Why can’t it be the female ninja from uprising?

[dawn knot]

ew

[worthy rose]

I don't even think that's intentional; they didn't create brig with the intent of goats and goats would never have been a thing if the Goats team in contenders never found it and cheesed it forever cause before everyone was like "3-3? that sounds awful" but the goats team kept winning and winning and it became meta which if they wanna nerf, it's going to need to be the nerf for Zarya damage

[reef remnant]

They created brig and said “this hero is meta changing”. They wanted a forced meta change xd

[dawn knot]

it

[reef remnant]

They regularly force meta changes otherwise they would allow us to hero ban before matches

[worthy rose]

meta changing; they didn't make it with the intent of creating a new meta, they just wanted to shift it away from dive

[peak escarp]

this is the lore chat

[reef remnant]

Yes and that in itself is a forced meta change

[peak escarp]

meta discussion goes elsewhere

[dawn knot]

maybe esports discuss

[reef remnant]

Oof wrong chat

[dawn knot]

[reef remnant]

[dawn knot]

so through what medium is this new information presented to us?

comic?

[peak escarp]

it was a letter

[dawn knot]

ah

[tawny silo]

are any of the names in the letter already known or new

[dawn knot]

his name sounds hecking biblical

[peak escarp]

along with a short clip in the twitter announcement

all the names in the letter are new

[worthy rose]

Doc do we usually get it like daily updates until the actual release or what?

[lucid imp]

I've been seeing that report on the OWL

[worthy rose]

yea it's to hype up the new hero

[peak escarp]

once the release cycle starts, teasers come every 2-3 days for about a week, then the hero gets revealed

last year, Brigitte had teasers on the 22nd, 24th, 26th, and 27th

and was finally announced on the 28th - a wednesday

[worthy rose]

so we should get it around the same time?

[peak escarp]

probably

[worthy rose]

hype

i hope they release a comic too

[peak escarp]

so keep an eye on twitter over the weekend

[worthy rose]

didn't they say they were going to invest a bit more on the lore?

[peak escarp]

lore tweets tend to drop on the hour, typically in the morning at 11am PST

although not always at the same time

[worthy rose]

no I mean didn't we get confirmation or something that they were going to start investing a lot more into the lore this year with more comics or so?

[peak escarp]

they have said that for the last 2 years

but Jeff did say comics are being worked on and will be coming Soon™

they want to do longer comics with better quality

we'll have to wait and see if they deliver on that

[dawn knot]

i want semi regularly released

tidbits of lore in the form of

simply animated shorts or even

slideshows

with a deep naarrorator

[worthy rose]

meh

Give me Atlas news and i'll be happy

it just seems like the easiest and most direct way to do so

[dawn knot]

news sources don't know everything

[worthy rose]

Comics and animations are nice but they are very time consuming so i'm happy to just chill with this

Exactly

[dawn knot]

i want insider knowledge

[worthy rose]

I like the not knowing anything aspect

it makes the world very interesting being told from an unreliable narrator

it just tells how something is perceived and the incident itself leaving it up to speculation

allowing the flex of the deductive and creative muscles

[dawn knot]

i understand

but news outlets would have absolutely nothing to say

on the most confidential things

and what goes on within people's homes

which are two of the most juicy things

though those may be reserved for

comics and such

but i do wish we had a more dynamic medium for those things

[peak escarp]

Sombra's code seems to match x86 assembly code

[limpid agate]

Ok

So what does it do

[peak escarp]

I'm figuring that out

so far I've only figured out that JNE means "jump if not equal", SHL means to shift the target lines left, ADD adds a destination, IMUL multiplies a destination

%RAX, %EAX, %RBX etc. are 8-byte registers

I don't know if it actually does anything, but it does use actual x86 functions and language

[timber sundial]

damn people are really trying to decode this

[peak escarp]

don't want to miss anything

[timber sundial]

i would be too if i had the time/skill

[peak escarp]

but it's probably not that deep

[timber sundial]

decoding is not my strong point

[peak escarp]

it's just made to look like hacking

even the hex code at the bottom was gibberish with Baptista in the middle

[limpid agate]

JNE 18 just means jump to the end

Which is

Skip the rest of the function if its not equal

If it is, the rest of the function is read

Its probably just random code

[peak escarp]

points for trying, I guess

for Blizzard, I mean

they could have done pure gibberish, but they at least chose actual functions in an actual language

[dense fog]

You gotta respect that dude that input all the hex values for decoding

https://imgur.com/a/SCpQt2s

[peak escarp]

even this long after the ARG people are still extra cautious when it comes to codes

[worthy rose]

The end looks like encryption mixed with x86 code

Ill take it to my coding friends, they will know

[worthy rose]

Welp i see a guy from my counytry(Vietnam) i like where Blizz going with this guy

[limpid agate]

Unfortunately, he is only an analyst

I dont think he will become relevant in the future

[worthy rose]

Maybe only in the comics

@dense fog i dont see it on mobile

[limpid agate]

THere is no embed

[dense fog]

https://i.imgur.com/thz051z.jpg this any better?

@worthy rose

[worthy rose]

No..

Its blurry on mobile

[peak escarp]

browsing through the Game Detective page on the Sombra ARG . . . how did they ever find this stuff?

[dense fog]

Basically a pic of a dude who input all of the hex values, and they were converted to text with gibberish then "Baptiste" in the middle

[ornate wigeon]

I screenshotted and sent a pic to @worthy rose in dms

[worthy rose]

Oh thanks 😃

[peak escarp]

I thought maybe I'd try some of the techniques they used on this hex set, but that's some crazy involved stuff

[limpid agate]

@peak escarp Be specific. I solved some of that back then

[peak escarp]

I mean converting between codes

[dense fog]

So the general consensus is that Baptiste is likely a new hero?

[valid shell]

Yes.

[dense fog]

Or could it be another one of the new characters

[peak escarp]

how did they even figure out what code they needed to use?

[limpid agate]

Specific example

[warped glen]

Guys I don't think baptiste is the name of the hero I have another idea

[dense fog]

I'm not a tech dude, but I think hexadecimal has corresponding text values

[warped glen]

Baptiste is a French name and who's the only French character in overwatch?

[limpid agate]

Gerard Lacroix?

[warped glen]

Exaxtly

[limpid agate]

Yeah, no

[warped glen]

Exactly

[peak escarp]

like even just figuring out the first clue . . . knowing to put the hex code through a XOR cypher

[limpid agate]

That's absurd

[peak escarp]

did they just try everything until something worked?

[warped glen]

Think about it

[dense fog]

If you just google "Hex to ASCII" then put in the numbers from the code

[limpid agate]

I am. The more I think about it the more absurd it is

[peak escarp]

Gerard is deceased

[limpid agate]

Your entire theory is based on they're both French.

Gerard is dead, Baptiste is a veteran Talon deserter that they are going out of their way to bring back or execute.

[dense fog]

https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/number/hex-to-ascii.html --> input "42 61 70 74 69 73 74 65" --> "Baptiste"

[limpid agate]

Gerard was the head of anti-Talon operations

[dense fog]

I'm excited for a new Talon hero

[warped glen]

He has a French name and he was in talon

[peak escarp]

@dense fog yes, we figured out the hex to ascii

[limpid agate]

@peak escarp That first one was pretty easy. I solved that one on my own, but so did most people

[peak escarp]

I was talking about taking the ascii and running it through other codes

[limpid agate]

First everything was in Hex, so you move that to a string

[dense fog]

Gotcha

I just saw the post recently so sorry if I'm behind haha

[limpid agate]

Next was a mess of symbols, but that first part was confident, considering we had proper spacing and punctuation

So move the numbers over 1 character each

I put it in a code to do that 26 times

And 23 was Sombra

Others prolly just guessed 23 because hero 23

[peak escarp]

makes sense

[warped glen]

Rusalvia pretty sure that it's a mix between languages like arabic

[limpid agate]

?

What?

[peak escarp]

I want there to be another ARG so I can be part of solving it, but I realize I have no clue about any of that and would not be of any help

the most I could do would be noticing hidden text/numbers for other people to translate

[limpid agate]

Also:
He has a French name and he was in talon
Gerard was never in Talon. He was in Overwatch. He led anti-Talon operations until his own wife killed him ~7 years ago in his sleep. Baptiste is a veteran that was trained by Cuerva, and by extension, trained by Talon.

Gerard wasn't trained by Talon

Gerard was working with Reyes for many many years

@peak escarp Only other things I solved were the two skulls puzzle and the Lumerico passwords

[warped glen]

Rusalvia have you tried decoding it in chunks?

With different encoding languages

[worthy rose]

By bf is trying now

Ill give updates if he found anything different

[warped glen]

K

[peak escarp]

I don't expect there to be anything

I just wanted to try it out

[worthy rose]

Just making sure lol

[warped glen]

Rusalvia is baptiste a pope?

[limpid agate]

You're thinking of John the Baptist

This is Jean-Baptiste Augustin

[worthy rose]

its a common french last name

Ive seen it before

[limpid agate]

Based on the context

[warped glen]

Hey guys look what I foune

[limpid agate]

He is probably Hatian

[warped glen]

Found

Look up the name

He's a French painter

Could thst mean something?

[peak escarp]

obviously not the same person

[warped glen]

He lived in Paris (the new map)

[peak escarp]

in the 18th century

[warped glen]

Could his artworks be a clue?

[limpid agate]

Youre overthinking it

[worthy rose]

new hero french

[limpid agate]

Not necesarily France French

[worthy rose]

wee wee

[peak escarp]

not necessarily new hero

[warped glen]

I feel like I'm underthinking it, it's blizzard

[worthy rose]

yes

sneaky snowmen

[limpid agate]

Hammond is named after a Top Gear host

Torbjorn is named after a random employee

[tall vector]

lmao

[warped glen]

So He s named after a painter

[peak escarp]

I'd say something about McCree, but that one is actually true

[limpid agate]

Whether or not its an accident

Its inconcequential

Just a little bit of Trivia

Baptiste isn't gonna be some French Painter

He's a former Talon Medic currently based in Haiti

[warped glen]

xD you never know

I feel like blizzard made it too easy for us tbh

Almost too easy

[limpid agate]

If youre speculating that he's a painter

Evidentally not

[peak escarp]

yes, a long dead French painter is going to be put into a shooter game as a playable character

that makes so much sense

[warped glen]

No was there a talon member that liked painting?

[peak escarp]

none in particular

[warped glen]

Admiring art?

[limpid agate]

Our cast of Talon members like:

• Killing Overwatch Agents
• Science
• Evolution through strife
• Killing to feel alive
• Manipulating people
• $
• $$
• $$$

Closest you get is Widowmaker used to be a ballet dancer before she was kidnapped and conditioned

[warped glen]

The paintings sold for alot

[valid shell]

I don't know what you're on about.

[warped glen]

Could be someone who likes stealing?

[limpid agate]

They think Baptiste is a painter

[valid shell]

???

[limpid agate]

And is making up all this random stuff with no base other then

THere happens to be a real painter with the same name

[valid shell]

Is this grounded in any fact or is it just a spitball?

Zenyatta's named after a horse.

Zenyatta is not a horse.

[warped glen]

And french

[limpid agate]

Zenyatta is in fact named after a horse

[peak escarp]

also a The Police album

[valid shell]

The horse first.

[limpid agate]

As well as a Police album

Which is also named after a horse

[warped glen]

Well hero 30 is not baptiste 100%

[limpid agate]

Or was it the other way

@warped glen Based on what

[warped glen]

It's too easy

[limpid agate]

So nothing

[warped glen]

Look at all the other ones

Blizzard wouldn't make it this easy

[valid shell]

McCree is named after a video game level designer.

Overwatch McCree does not design video games.

[peak escarp]

I'm inclined to believe it might be another red herring, but it is still possible that it's not a red herring

[limpid agate]

LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Its too easy, it can't be Sombra

Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Its too easy, it can't be Efi's secret project

Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
It's too easy, it can't be Doomfist, who just broke out of jail and destroyed a bunch of omnics in the previous teaser

Only time it wasn't obvious was Brigitte.

[valid shell]

White Dome and the mention of Brigitte's birth and how she was named, It's too easy, it can't be Brigitte.

[limpid agate]

Where she wasn't mentioned until the second teaser

At which point it became obvious

[peak escarp]

once the second teaser comes out, the next hero should be obvious

right now I'd say I'm only about 70% sure on it being Baptiste

[limpid agate]

If it makes you feel better

There are people who think its the MIA Cuerva

[peak escarp]

that is also a possibility

[limpid agate]

So evidentally, its not obvious

[worthy rose]

If it is baptiste, he is not solely loyal to talon, its a grey area hero. If its cuerva, it will be talon aligned. Especially with the wording that they might have to kill him in haiti

The problem is were given a lot of info but have no idea of anything else

[limpid agate]

Of course he isnt loyal to Talon

He deserted

[worthy rose]

Yeah

A lot of people on twitter arent reading carefully

Either way they are messing with sombra to make a threat

[limpid agate]

?

[peak escarp]

someone did an in-depth breakdown of the code from the twitter teaser

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/atduic/overwatch_teaser_asm_codehex/

they agree it's pretty much gibberish

[peak escarp]

they did point out MTLDWN isn't relevant to the hero, which I didn't catch

[limpid agate]

Good to know

[worthy rose]

Talons firewall got hacked. Why would sombras symbol glitch out? Obviously it would be to threaten her with a brute force attack and try to shake up talon

[warped glen]

Who here is good with Photoshop?

[peak escarp]

Sombra's symbol glitched because that's her aesthetic

[warped glen]

Anyone here good with Photoshop I have an idea

[limpid agate]

If youre gonna ask about the background

Its Haiti

[warped glen]

No

The date on the letter

The year is blacked out

[worthy rose]

@warped glen i am decent, what are you needing? Someone else may be better qualified

[limpid agate]

Of course the year is blacked out

[warped glen]

Can't you remove it with Photoshop

[limpid agate]

What year is the present

And not, you cant

[worthy rose]

No

[limpid agate]

That works when there was a year written underneath it initially in a different shade of black

[warped glen]

But did they do that?

[limpid agate]

What year is the present

[worthy rose]

All you can hope for is to mess with exposure and see if it shows

[warped glen]

2019

[worthy rose]

@limpid agate 30 years from 2016

[limpid agate]

Overwatch takes place in 2019?

[warped glen]

It could be another year

Oh lmao I'm dumb

[peak escarp]

knowing them, there probably isn't even a number behind it

[worthy rose]

Yeah thats what im thinking

[peak escarp]

Overwatch is set 30 years "in the future"

but they've been saying that since 2014

so when do we start counting?

[worthy rose]

The game came out 2016 tho

[peak escarp]

and is it exactly 30 years? or is that a rounded number

[limpid agate]

The number behind it is too many digits to be a real number

[warped glen]

Rusalvia can I dm you

[limpid agate]

For what purpose

[warped glen]

An image

[limpid agate]

FIne

[fringe blade]

i want a canadian hero tbh

[limpid agate]

Unless they pull a 180 and make Baptiste Quebecois

Pharah is the closest you will get

[fringe blade]

I know

[warped glen]

2121 is spiritual

[fringe blade]

I mean in the future

...?

what is 2121

[limpid agate]

Nothing

[warped glen]

Wait Rusalvia

212121 Feb 1 2121

[limpid agate]

212121 is also just

21 copied 3 times

Also its not Feb 1

Its Feb 21

In numbers thats YY/02/21

Feb 1 is YY/02/01

[fringe blade]

Is there only 1 hero from a country that used to be part of the USSR?

[candid spoke]

stalin

[fringe blade]

why on this channel

[candid spoke]

you said i hero from ussr

1*

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting @candid spoke

[twilit nacelle]

@candid spoke Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[fringe blade]

Anyway

Back to my question

It's only Zarya, right?

[peak escarp]

I'm not familiar with the countries that made up the USSR, but I assume so

[limpid agate]

Which germany is Stuttgardt in

[fringe blade]

would you mind if i posted a list, Rusalvia?

[peak escarp]

west, I think

[fringe blade]

Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Ukraine

[limpid agate]

So just Zarya

Rein was on the west side

[fringe blade]

Most of those are pretty small

[peak escarp]

Zarya is the only Eastern European in the cast

[fringe blade]

A lot of characters come from the same number of countries, right?

[peak escarp]

fictional Kurjikstan is probably in that area, but nobody is from there - that's just where Sven had his little rampage

[fringe blade]

Like there are lots of Americans

Not a lot, but quite a few

[sacred hamlet]

There's americans in this game⁉

I could only name Soldier

[fringe blade]

Reaper

[peak escarp]

Soldier, McCree, Reaper, Ashe

[sacred hamlet]

So Soldier and Reaper

Actually surprised Reaper is american

[fringe blade]

Isn't Mei American

[peak escarp]

Mei is Chinese

[sacred hamlet]

Mei American 🤔

[fringe blade]

Oh my god

I am dumb af

I am so sorry

[sacred hamlet]

Oh you weren't joking

[peak escarp]

lol

[candid spoke]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[peak escarp]

Reaper is from Los Angeles

[candid spoke]

+-

sorry my bad

[peak escarp]

Soldier is from Indiana

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards

[fringe blade]

Sombra is from Mexico, IIRC

[limpid agate]

Correct

[peak escarp]

McCree is from the south somewhere (his bio lists New Mexico, but that's "base of operations", not "hometown")

based on the imagery from her origin story, Ashe is probably from Texas

[fringe blade]

It's strange, so many different countries if you think about it, but it feels like barely any nationalities are being portrayed in this game

I mean like, pretty much all characters come from different countries/cities, now that I look at it

Also

Is Numbani in Africa?

[peak escarp]

yes

on a map it appears to be in Nigeria, but it's a separate state

[fringe blade]

We have like what 4-5 African characters?

[peak escarp]

Orisa, Doomfist, Ana, Pharah

4

[fringe blade]

Then 3 from Asia

4*

5*

[peak escarp]

Hanzo, Genji, Symmetra, Mei

[valid shell]

Hanzo, Genji, D.Va, Mei, Symmetra.

[fringe blade]

Zenyatta

[peak escarp]

oh yeah DVa

[fringe blade]

DVA

[valid shell]

Zenyatta, yeah.

Five from Asia.

[peak escarp]

so 6

[valid shell]

Six*

Numbers are hard.

[fringe blade]

Hanzo, DVA, Genji, Zenyatta, Symmetra, Mei.

[valid shell]

"Isn't Mei American" lol

[fringe blade]

I am dumb

Okay, so 2 from the UK-area

Then 2 from Oceania

1(?) from South America

[peak escarp]

by continent:
North America 5
South America 1
Europe 8
Africa 4
Australia/Oceania 2
Asia 6
The Moon 2
unknown 1

[limpid agate]

Is Zenyatta the unknown?

[peak escarp]

Bastion

[limpid agate]

Also you left out Asia

Bastion is German

[fringe blade]

How do you know that

[limpid agate]

He woke up in Germany

[peak escarp]

do we know where it was made though?

[valid shell]

He activated in Black Forest.

He's effectively German.

[limpid agate]

Do you know where Zenyatta was made?

[peak escarp]

good point

[fringe blade]

UK isn't part of Europe, though, right?

[limpid agate]

Zen could be French

[fringe blade]

Politically

[limpid agate]

And made the pilgrimage with the rest of the Shambali to Nepal

[peak escarp]

North America 5
South America 1
Europe 9
Africa 4
Australia/Oceania 2
Asia 6
The Moon 2

[limpid agate]

But as far as we are concerned, he is a resident of Nepal

[peak escarp]

UK is in Europe geographically

[fringe blade]

I suppose

[sacred hamlet]

South America 😢

The EUs stole our heroes

[valid shell]

Canada 😢

Egypt stole our one (1) hero.

[sacred hamlet]

Isn't Pharah supposed to be canadian in some way

[valid shell]

What'd I say.

[limpid agate]

If you are going by geographic location rather than political

[fringe blade]

Her father is believed to be, I think

[sacred hamlet]

Eyyy yoink

[limpid agate]

Siberia is in Asia

[sacred hamlet]

My daughter now

[limpid agate]

And by extention, Zarya is Asian

[peak escarp]

I thought she was from the European part of Russia

[limpid agate]

She's from a village in Siberia

[valid shell]

So we need at least another South American, someone from the Caribbean (which seems to be coming), a South-East Asian hero...

Any other big chunks we're missing?

[peak escarp]

ah

[valid shell]

Don't say the Arctic or something you're not funny.

[limpid agate]

South Africa.

I'd say Polynesia, but Roadhog may cover that base

[valid shell]

Remember the theories that the blue hoodie kid from the Cinematic Trailer was South African and would inherit the Doomfist?

Good times.

Bad times.

[limpid agate]

Also Middle East

[peak escarp]

I'd like to get confirmation that Roadhog is Maori

they've hinted at it enough

[fringe blade]

So what would this new hero be from

What is his name again

[limpid agate]

If its Baptiste, Haiti probably

[fringe blade]

I thought Baptiste was a French name, no?

[limpid agate]

They speak French in Haiti

[fringe blade]

True

Why Haiti though

[limpid agate]

Did you read the letter?

[sacred hamlet]

Something something no one ever reads

[fringe blade]

If he is on the run, why go back to his home country

[sacred hamlet]

He hasn't⁉

[peak escarp]

to check on family, warn them of possible backlash

[sacred hamlet]

I think that's just his nationality

[worthy rose]

What if hes french canadian and hiding in haiti

[limpid agate]

McCree is on the run

He went back to America

Ana went back to Cairo

Only Jack didn't return home, but he doesnt seem to have one

[worthy rose]

Hes from illinois

[peak escarp]

Indiana

[limpid agate]

Indiana.

[wintry zealot]

Inb4 Blizzard makes a non binary character who identifies as no gender

[valid shell]

@fringe blade Haiti was a French colony of slaves from Africa.

[peak escarp]

@wintry zealot Bastion

[valid shell]

@wintry zealot They already did.

So your funni may may doesn't land.

[wintry zealot]

Omnics dont count

[limpid agate]

Bastion has no concept of gender or sexuality