lore-discussion

[peak escarp]

but we're guessing Haitian too

[valid shell]

Just from an aesthetic distribution standpoint, I'm disappointed he's a he. We still need a black lady.

[sacred hamlet]

Still waiting for SA to be shown some relevancy in OW's world but that's fine

[last inlet]

We don't need anything

[valid shell]

???

That's Sombra hacking.

It's literally Sombra.

[last inlet]

Sugar skull came out

At the end

[valid shell]

Also, we already have another hacker on deck in case they ever wanted to make another.

They probably won't, tho.

[worthy rose]

Im skeptical

[valid shell]

That's good.

[worthy rose]

The person just want into detail about his skills

and whatnot

this seems like bait

[valid shell]

Who's 'the person'?

[worthy rose]

the guy who wrote the letter

nguyen or whatever

[sacred hamlet]

Great probability of him being a DPS with supportive abilities

[ornate wigeon]

What video is this all from?

[valid shell]

They wanna hype up the proficiency of the new hero.

@ornate wigeon Not a video.

Blogpost.

[ornate wigeon]

Where then

[valid shell]

Playoverwatch.com

Godspeed.

[stoic quiver]

yeah

[peak escarp]

was trying to get the sugar skull

[stoic quiver]

we are aware

[peak escarp]

best I could do

[valid shell]

@stoic quiver Someone wasn't.

[peak escarp]

Sombra was behind the leak for Uprising

that didn't involve Talon

[worthy rose]

i dont think this will be a character we have seen in the comics before

seems brand new

[stoic quiver]

yeah

it does

[valid shell]

@worthy rose Obv.

[pine acorn]

Maybe linx?

[valid shell]

What?

[stoic quiver]

could be awesome if it were something really new, like something after the recall

[valid shell]

What suggests that?

[pine acorn]

Lynx. From the comics

[valid shell]

I know.

[pine acorn]

Someone is hacking into Talon

[valid shell]

Nothing points to them.

It's

It's Sombra.

It's literally Sombra.

[pine acorn]

Maybe he's tryna get to sombra's file

[valid shell]

Her sugar skull shows up.

[pine acorn]

Oh

[peak escarp]

she left her signature sugar skull

[valid shell]

You're obfuscating this unnecessarily.

[silent bay]

why sombra hacking tho

[valid shell]

HER SKULL

[pine acorn]

Shes not fully with them

[valid shell]

Because she's just an operative.

[pine acorn]

them

[valid shell]

And this is shit she doesn't have access to.

[peak escarp]

because she needs to know everything

[pine acorn]

I dont see her skull where is it yall

[worthy rose]

While it is true blizzard has bamboozled us in the past, they do give more information about Baptiste than other throwaway characters such as Emre

[pine acorn]

thx

[worthy rose]

The ltter also says the organization needs him

which makes me think talon is up to something big

[valid shell]

lol right after @stoic quiver said "we are aware"

We get a dozen people who are not aware.

[peak escarp]

[pine acorn]

Sombra rise up

[valid shell]

@pine acorn ?

tf does that have to do with esports

[sacred hamlet]

Why does Sombra leave her sugar skulls anyways

[pine acorn]

Nothing

[worthy rose]

maybe we'll get an anti-hero

[valid shell]

Because she's an egotistical sociopathic narcissist.

[pine acorn]

I was just looking at the emotes

[valid shell]

And likes to leave her calling card.

Fuck

No.

[stoic quiver]

Was thinking that people would look in the comment section of the twitter post. The first comment is literally a sombra, and overwatch posting a shhhh GIF

so

[valid shell]

Fuck no.

[pine acorn]

egotistical sure. But not sociopathic

[worthy rose]

MAYBE the hero can switch roles

[karmic ember]

@everyone ❤️

[peak escarp]

Jetpack cat will never happen

[valid shell]

Don't start this stupid fucking Jetpack Cat shit again.

[pine acorn]

lol

[valid shell]

That was quashed on Brigitte's release.

[stoic quiver]

yes pls

[peak escarp]

Jetpack Cat == Wrecking Ball

[valid shell]

No.

[pine acorn]

Jetpack Cat = Brig's cat

[peak escarp]

that too

[sacred hamlet]

@valid shell Any reasons for calling Sombra a sociopath

[pine acorn]

^

[sacred hamlet]

I mean, does she really fit the criteria for one

[worthy rose]

holy shit

[valid shell]

If we were going to get Junkertown Queen, she would have been in Hammond's slot. If we were gonna get Jetpack Cat, it would have been in either Hammond or Brigitte's spot.

[worthy rose]

Baptiste might be an omnic

[valid shell]

We're never getting either.

[pine acorn]

Baptiste could be Lao?

[worthy rose]

or really really enchanced

[valid shell]

@pine acorn ??

His name is Baptiste.

[pine acorn]

idk

[valid shell]

Not Liao.

That's a nontheory.

[pine acorn]

Just throwing random shit out

[valid shell]

I can tell.

That doesn't help the conversation.

[worthy rose]

actuallynot an omnic maybe a cyborg like genji

[valid shell]

"LOL WAHT IF BAPTISTE IS SOLDIERS BOYF XD XD XD"

wew great dialogue

Stop.

[pine acorn]

We don't have any other clues we didn't talk about

[worthy rose]

"Baptiste was built to survive."

[pine acorn]

So it's speculation

[valid shell]

Homie there's plenty to talk about here.

[worthy rose]

but at the end they say they would rather be drinking rum

[pine acorn]

But we are all speculating rn right

@worthy rose still don't make sense

Just because he drinks?

[peak escarp]

Soldier's bf was Vincent

[pine acorn]

And S.76 bf didn't want jack to be all up in his missions/army or whatever so why would he join talen

[peak escarp]

we know his name

therefore he's not Jean-Baptiste Augustin

[chilly peak]

Guys, were you talking about hidden text if you increase the contrast?

https://imgur.com/a/bHu4wZQ

[worthy rose]

oh thats cool

[valid shell]

@chilly peak YO DOPE

[peak escarp]

interesting

[valid shell]

So someone hand-wrote a letter on top of the printout.

[peak escarp]

some of the letters are printed

so it was a printed letter with handwritten notes

[valid shell]

Roman numerals tho

[chilly peak]

on the right side, there's "...thank you..."

[valid shell]

5, 6, 7, 8?

Down the left side?

So it's a list?

[chilly peak]

https://imgur.com/i7oORjr

[celest ruin]

I doubt Baptiste is the next hero

Blizzard never has it be the person we think

[valid shell]

Do you have evidence, or are you just being a contrarian to seem more in-the-know?

[peak escarp]

we'll see over the next few days

[worthy rose]

it seems

like a tank that knows how to heal

judging from the letter

[valid shell]

I don't see tank anywhere on there.

[worthy rose]

lets use some context clues

"built to survive"

[valid shell]

Mei?

[worthy rose]

"that can heal"

[valid shell]

Mei.

[worthy rose]

"good shot"

[valid shell]

Soldier?

None of these things suggest a tank.

[peak escarp]

Orisa had teasers every 3 days up to her release
Brigitte had teasers on 22, 24, 26, 27

[valid shell]

People are too married to this idea that Talon's "missing a tank" so they're filling in blanks.

[dire timber]

it's definitely meant to be a healer

no doubt about it

[peak escarp]

my guess is we'll get more teasers on the weekend with a reveal tuesday or wednesday

[celest ruin]

OK, so we thought it was doomfist, then it was orisa.We thought it was maximillien or junker queen, it was moira. We thought it was Liao, it was brigitte. We thought it was the queen again, it was hamster

[sacred hamlet]

I see no reason for a Healer when we got 2 healers in a row last year

[celest ruin]

Blizzard likes to bait us with heroes

[valid shell]

Nobody thought it was Liao.

Literally nobody.

[sacred hamlet]

and the current healers are dominating right now

[dire timber]

@worthy rose self-healing tank already exists

he's called Roadhog

please stop

[valid shell]

Just

[worthy rose]

what if its a hero like lucio that can switch between tanking and healing idfk

[valid shell]

Saying names isn't actually contributing.

Actually follow the conversation.

[worthy rose]

I know better than to underestimate Baptiste. I helped train him myself, and he was one of our best. I’ve never known a medic to be such a good shot, and his adaptability to new situations is a rare talent. All of us have seen our fair share of conflict, but Baptiste was built to survive. I swear he has the Devil’s own luck."

[valid shell]

Don't just interject with "BUT WHAT ABOUT LIAO"

[worthy rose]

Sounds pretty hybrid to me

[limpid agate]

Whats this

@worthy rose Ana was an elite marksman for Overwatch. She isn't a hybrid

All we know is

Baptiste is a medic

[valid shell]

?

[dire timber]

could be either a healer that can also pack damage (e.g. Brigitte) or a damage hero with a limited healing ability (e.g. Soldier)

[worthy rose]

you forgot "built to survive"

[valid shell]

She's from Numbani, Doomfist's hometown, built from bits of bots that Doomfist destroyed, for the sole purpose of defending against him.

[limpid agate]

... So what?

[valid shell]

Orisa is DEPENDENT on Doomfist.

Not a "tiny bit related".

[worthy rose]

which suggests it isnt squishy

are tanks squishy

[dire timber]

@worthy rose you could say the same thing about Soldier, and he has less HP than Mei

[valid shell]

She exists because of him.

[limpid agate]

It suggests that Baptiste has good survival instincts

[valid shell]

He's the reason she was created.

[celest ruin]

@valid shell Yeah, related but not doomfist. It'll be something related to talon, not necessarily from talon

[valid shell]

Yeah

[sacred hamlet]

@valid shell Might be being a bit too harsh on the other guy right now

He's still contributing nonetheless

[valid shell]

Getting real tired.

[limpid agate]

No, Binge is fine

From what I read since getting here

@worthy rose You missed the months of speculation on the spider tank

[valid shell]

Except people had been requesting a female Omnic since launch.

And there had been a leak for a spider tank.

[celest ruin]

People have been requesting junker queen forever now

Us saying something doesn't mean blizzard will do anything

[limpid agate]

Junker Queen lost her chance with Hammond/Ashe

She needs more time if she is to debut

[valid shell]

Jetpack Cat lost their chance with Brigitte/Hammond.

[limpid agate]

^

[worthy rose]

I mean the team said hamster will be their wackiest hero

[valid shell]

Liao lost their chance with First Strike.

[worthy rose]

maybe this is actually a teaser for the next Archives lol

[valid shell]

K

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose It is possible that this doubles as that

But given the timing

This is a teaser for hero 30

Archives is in April

Hero 30 is March

The "MLTDWN" could be related to either Baptiste or Archives

[valid shell]

If this homie is a medic than he's prime for a Talon four-man team.

[limpid agate]

And Baptiste could be playable if its a Talon operation

Alongisde Widow/Sombra/Doomfist

[valid shell]

Yup. Prune Moira since she got Retribution.

[limpid agate]

And Reaper

[valid shell]

Ye

[limpid agate]

For same reason

[dire timber]

Reaper probably wasn't working with Talon yet at the time

[limpid agate]

Depends on how far back they go

If Widow is in it

Its post-Gerard

[dire timber]

it needs to be 7 years ago, I'd say

[valid shell]

Could be pre-Reaper/Moira, when Doomfist was just an operative.

[limpid agate]

It cant be 8

[dire timber]

cause Widow's already there, but not blue yet

[limpid agate]

Gerard was still alive and well in Retribution

[valid shell]

They'd use their Talon skins.

...Okay

Calling it now.

[dire timber]

@limpid agate 7 then

[limpid agate]

Widowmaker's first act was to kill Gerard in his sleep

[worthy rose]

this letter has so much detail about the personality of Baptiste

[limpid agate]

Correct

[valid shell]

Talon Doomfist, Talon Sombra, Talon Widowmaker, and Baptiste in a Talon skin is going to be the Archives event.

Pin it.

[limpid agate]

It appears that the letter was written with the intent of introducing Baptiste to us

[dire timber]

yeeep

[worthy rose]

holy crap

[dire timber]

I kinda hoped for a Talon Moira skin

with the horns from her Origin short

[valid shell]

Me three.

[worthy rose]

u were right rusalvia about acting as a double

[valid shell]

Tight.

[worthy rose]

the letter says "Talon "needs" Baptiste, "

[limpid agate]

No easy way to reorganize pins

[worthy rose]

which could mean talon needs Baptiste for something big

[limpid agate]

Heres something big

Recall

[worthy rose]

Maybe the future archive uses Baptiste in it

[limpid agate]

Overwatch is Back

[dire timber]

@worthy rose wait, needs... that grants credence to Baptiste being the Widowmakermaker

it's a stretch

but still

[valid shell]

...Would be really neat to see a snapshot of Doomfist, pre-councilman, while Akinjide is still alive and in his ear.

As just a Talon goon.

[limpid agate]

Hmmm

Wonder if we get a Scourge VA

[valid shell]

God I hope so.

[dire timber]

it would be neat for Baptiste being the guy who conditioned Amelie tbh

[valid shell]

Would shore up a lot of things.

And maybe Moira just adopted his research.

As she always does.

[dire timber]

and it would kill the idea of Talon brainwashing anyone else

thank goodness

[worthy rose]

didnt moira help

[valid shell]

BUH-BUH-BUH-BUH MUH EVIL BRAINWASHED EMILY AU

@worthy rose Unconfirmed.

She questions Widow about her conditioning but we don't know if she actually had/has a hand in it.

[dire timber]

I think Moira was the one who altered Widowmaker's physiology

[vocal pine]

Safe to assume she did IMO

[dire timber]

but I think the mental conditioning was done by someone else

[woven rock]

New hero tease?

[valid shell]

@woven rock New hero tease.

[woven rock]

PhO

[valid shell]

Pho?

[sacred hamlet]

Pho

[woven rock]

Pho

[sacred hamlet]

Ok stop

[woven rock]

Haven't heard about pho?

[valid shell]

I would suggest you search it up but that might be difficult.

[woven rock]

pOg

[sacred hamlet]

Don't abuse Pho go back to lore

[woven rock]

ok

[sacred hamlet]

@valid shell Are those pinned skins official leaked shit

Or is it really 90% confirmed speculation

[limpid agate]

... 3 of them are already in game?

@valid shell Might want to edit its speculation

[sacred hamlet]

Oh

[valid shell]

@sacred hamlet Sombra, Doomfist, and Widowmaker have Talon skins.

[sacred hamlet]

Those old garbage skins

I thought we were talking about new ones

[valid shell]

Hey.

[sacred hamlet]

I forgot those were a thing

[valid shell]

Doomfist's is okay.

And why would we get new ones? They used Gabe's Blackwatch skin from pre-launch.

[sacred hamlet]

A lot of things are ok

[valid shell]

And Genji's from a year earlier.

[sacred hamlet]

I mean

Reaper has two OW skins

the soldier number number

[valid shell]

And they used the one from launch.

[sacred hamlet]

and the orginis one

[valid shell]

And they used the Origins one.

[sacred hamlet]

So I'm saying there's a possibility they make new ones

[valid shell]

Sure, we might get some alternative skins, but those Talon ones are gonna be the canon ones.

[sacred hamlet]

Just for the occasion

[peak escarp]

Soldier 24 isn't an Overwatch skin

it's pre-Overwatch

[sacred hamlet]

You mean when they were army buddies

[peak escarp]

yes

[sacred hamlet]

Well anyhoo

Might still get new skins for some

what i'm really interested about is what mission they're doing for archives

[frosty shell]

If Baptiste helped alter Widow's physiology, that may have been the last straw that caused him to leave Talon

[limpid agate]

Not if he's on the mission with her

Which seems to be the most likely Archives event

[peak escarp]

where did this jump to "Baptiste made Widowmaker" come from?

[frosty shell]

I just saw it posted earlier

I'm not saying it's the most likely

But again, we have no idea when the memo came from

[sacred hamlet]

So you have the morally "I don't give a shit if it advances science" not morally Moira, and the morally "Brainwashing bad" morally Baptiste

Which happens to be a pro assassin capable of taking down 3 Talon members by himself in 8 hours

While asking for a 1v1 with his old boss

Very moral individual

[peak escarp]

I don't think a mere medic would be involved in making Widowmaker

[valid shell]

Mercy could also be called a mere medic.

But she also revolutionized the medical world.

Baptiste could have similar expertise while still serving as a medic.

[peak escarp]

Mercy is a certified doctor with a PhD

[limpid agate]

Mercy was also "Combat Medic Ziegler"

[frosty shell]

I didn't notice the "medic with a good shot" part of his description before

[peak escarp]

aside from the name of the skin, nobody calls her a medic

[frosty shell]

That does set him up as playable

[valid shell]

And if Baptiste was just a field medic, I doubt Talon would want him back so bad.

He's definitely got some other qualifications.

[peak escarp]

the reason they want him back is given in the letter

No one leaves Talon.

[frosty shell]

However, he is clearly skilled or else they would just jump to killing him

One reason I doubt Baptiste would be the next hero is that I can't remember one of these week-before teasers namedropping the next hero for the first time

Hammond, Sombra, Doomfist, and Brigitte were known names at least

[limpid agate]

Only Orisa/Moira/Ashe were first named when they were revealed as playable

The rest were named year(s) in advance

[peak escarp]

and Moira and Ashe were revealed as playable with very little teasing

[frosty shell]

So that's why Baptiste seems unlikely

[valid shell]

?

That strengthens his case.

[frosty shell]

Haiti is suggested often as a possible location for a new hero so I feel like the new hero is likely to be Haitian

What if Baptiste turns out to be trans so we do get our first black female human hero as Baptiste?

probably not though

[worthy rose]

ur jumping the gun there

[limpid agate]

Only time I've ever seen Haiti suggested was for a black female Caribbean pirate.

I don't think Baptiste will fit that

[frosty shell]

black female and Caribbean are good by themselves, I don't know about the pirate part

[worthy rose]

👀 but isnt the teaser for an event?

[frosty shell]

Not sure how a pirate-themed kit would work

This could lead into the next event

[limpid agate]

The event is in April

[sacred hamlet]

@peak escarp Was Ashe revealed at all

[limpid agate]

This is February

[peak escarp]

no, this is a teaser for hero 30

[frosty shell]

Ashe had very little teasers

[peak escarp]

Ashe was revealed in Reunion

[sacred hamlet]

At least Moira showed up in a Comic

[limpid agate]

Ashe had no teasers

She came out of nowhere

[frosty shell]

The only thing hinting at something was changes to Route 66

[peak escarp]

so she was teased 5 minutes before she was announed

[worthy rose]

Last year we had lots of documents from talon for archives if I recall correctly

the same thing could be happening here

[sacred hamlet]

5 minutes before announced

[limpid agate]

Yeah... In April

[sacred hamlet]

what was the tease

[peak escarp]

those documents were in April

[frosty shell]

No I don't think we had any Talon documents

[worthy rose]

Yeah but they still follow the same format don't they?

[limpid agate]

This follows the same format as Torb's letter as well

[peak escarp]

@sacred hamlet Reunion was the tease . . . Jeff announcing Ashe as hero 30 immediately after was the announcement

[limpid agate]

A document that is transcribed for a blog post

[frosty shell]

The next hero being Talon seems very likely now though

[limpid agate]

Baptiste is the forerunner

[worthy rose]

valid point

[peak escarp]

and it still didn't use Story Update

[sacred hamlet]

I thought it was pretty obvious Ashe would be the Hero at that point

wouldn't call it a tease

She looks like a fucking anime character

[frosty shell]

Yeah

[limpid agate]

Cauvra... Forgot the name, but the Captain's squad is MIA and on the unlikely-not gonna happen side

[valid shell]

@limpid agate They reference drinking rum on a ship.

[frosty shell]

Cuerva

[valid shell]

Pirate-themed is a possibility.

[limpid agate]

Cuerva thanks

[peak escarp]

they reference drinking rum because it's Haiti

[frosty shell]

Rum is just popular in Haiti

yeah

[limpid agate]

Rum is a caribbean drink

[frosty shell]

Pirates drank rum because it was popular in the Caribbean

[valid shell]

And Blizzard has the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

[peak escarp]

yes that

[valid shell]

AMERICAN HERO GOTTA BE COWBOY

JAPANESE? SAMARU

[limpid agate]

Hmmm

Lets see what happens

[peak escarp]

Australian? Gotta be Mad Max

[valid shell]

Yup!

Looking through Blizzard's lens, they'll see the Caribbean and immediately leap to a pirate hero.

[frosty shell]

Admittedly, if cowboy outlaws made a comeback in the West pirates could make a comeback in the Caribbean

[sacred hamlet]

Don't see nothing wrong with a pirate hero

Gotta have fun concepts

[limpid agate]

Wonder what they'll do with Baptiste in terms of armaments.

Good shot... Flintlock seems a bit too old timey

[sacred hamlet]

Would you call someone who uses an automatic a good shot

[valid shell]

Now, some kinda prototype antimatter flintlock-esque future gun.

[sacred hamlet]

good shots usually means single fire

[worthy rose]

make him another sniper? 😄

[sacred hamlet]

No

Only when Blizzard learns how to balance snipers correctly

'cause they clearly don't

[limpid agate]

Jack is a good shot

Just watch Hero

[sacred hamlet]

Does anyone call him a good shot in there

[peak escarp]

it would be nice to have another single round hitscan

[sacred hamlet]

is that your point

[limpid agate]

I called him a good shot

Because he is a good shot

[sacred hamlet]

No, he's a good Soldier

Also he was using visor

clearly using advanced future future optics

[limpid agate]

He shoots 3 bullets that eliminate 3 foes

Visor or not

Thats a good shot

And his gun is automatic

[sacred hamlet]

Did they even die

[limpid agate]

Pretty sure at least one did

[sacred hamlet]

At that point I didn't even know pulse weapons were supposed to kill

[limpid agate]

But you cant assume "Good Shot" and "Automatic Weapon" are mutually exclusive

Also if the gun didnt kill, falling off a roof and landing on your head will

[sacred hamlet]

Something something no fall damage

[limpid agate]

Judging by the guy Soldier just blew up

Jack doesnt have problems with killing

[sacred hamlet]

He clearly hates that crew

Forgot the name

[limpid agate]

Los Muertos, and no more than any other crime group

[untold timber]

I wish there was a proper overwatch comic run

[worthy rose]

The new hero might be an antihero like jack

👀 anyway i dont think the hero will be another hitscan

[sacred hamlet]

Considering he's an old timer that joined the Army

[limpid agate]

He is a Talon deserter

[sacred hamlet]

His morals are probably "Clear scum off the face of the earth"

[limpid agate]

So he is probably anti-something

[untold timber]

Who's the last traditional projectile hero released

[limpid agate]

Does Doomfist count?

If not, Orisa

[sacred hamlet]

Orisa maybe

People complain about projectile heroes being braindead cancer

aka Junkrat

Yet that concept died a long time ago

[worthy rose]

people complain about everything

[fierce isle]

I just want more story :\ ...

[sacred hamlet]

Orisa is definitely the last remnant of that

We're getting story in Archives

some background next week

[limpid agate]

Hero reveal next week*

[sacred hamlet]

plus backstory

[limpid agate]

We might get more teasers between then and now

Archives is April

[worthy rose]

someone is bound to find something interesting tonight i bet

[sacred hamlet]

Probably not

Even though I still think those 0s have to mean something

[worthy rose]

im pretty sure we will get way more teasers the coming days

[sacred hamlet]

That's pretty obvious

[untold timber]

I doubt it'll happen cause of chu wanting the simplest storylines possible but i wish gerard was somehow reconstructed into a cyborg like genji. But like...more anti hero like

[peak escarp]

pls no

[limpid agate]

Gerard is dead

He will stay dead

[sacred hamlet]

Revive Gerard and the Talon Leader person

[limpid agate]

Antonio is dead

[untold timber]

Did you read my comment tho

[limpid agate]

There is nothing to gain from bringing him back

[untold timber]

Only cause the story is so straightforward

[sacred hamlet]

Other than a giant motherfucker in form of a cyborg Tank

But one can dream

[peak escarp]

Gerard or Antonio being alive would cause massive plot holes

[worthy rose]

tbh i expected the next hero to be a tank, the teaser doesnt sound anything like that

[sacred hamlet]

And Antonio not coming back would 'cause a massive hole in my heart

Think about the consequences

[peak escarp]

then perish

[sacred hamlet]

A pity indeed

[untold timber]

Antonio maybe but Gérard, being the one who handled intelligence against talon probably knew more about them than anyone outside of the council. Who knows if that info is preserved

But like i said it wont happen

[peak escarp]

@worthy rose why did you expect a tank?

[last inlet]

Literally only to have a Talon tank, I'd reckon

[untold timber]

We havent had a proper main tank since orisa. That's why too

[sacred hamlet]

A Talon tank would be really cool

[swift blaze]

I expect someone from the los mertos gang

[sacred hamlet]

So I don't see the problem here

[limpid agate]

There are better chances to make a Talon tank then bringing back dead characters

[last inlet]

It'd be nice

[limpid agate]

Like Sanjay Korpal

[last inlet]

But not something to hold out for

[sacred hamlet]

But Sanjay looks boring

[untold timber]

I mean

[last inlet]

He do

But he's Vishkar too

[worthy rose]

@peak escarp blizz themselves confirmed the next heroes to be either tanks and supports ... and looking back 2 out of the 4 last released heroes were supports so another support would be pretty unlikely

[sacred hamlet]

He's just a male Symmetra

[limpid agate]

Vishkar Sym also looks boring

[sacred hamlet]

In the same way Ashe is a female McCree

[limpid agate]

But if you think about it

[last inlet]

Easy enough to make him a tank

[limpid agate]

Vishkar is just the Green Lantern Corps

[last inlet]

Hard light and all

[untold timber]

Blizzard rather have made doomfist a dps over actually being a tank like he was originally supposed to be

[sacred hamlet]

Why not add Lucio's father instead of Sanjay

Very cool thought

[limpid agate]

Not really

Sanjay is a leader of Talon with access to Hard Light tech

[last inlet]

The Green Lanterns literally use hard light too

[limpid agate]

Lucio's father made Lucio's equipment, and had that "stolen"

[sacred hamlet]

Nothing wrong with stealing from your dad

[limpid agate]

He didnt

It was "stolen" by Vishkar

Lucio then stole it from Vishkar

[sacred hamlet]

Massive Yoinkception

Still hoping we get something SA

Anything SA this year

[untold timber]

The biggest missed opportunity that i can tell from the lore so far is not connecting Athena to the God A.Is. you'd figure there would be a connection.

[sacred hamlet]

Most ignored place in OW right now

Might as well rename it Brazil World and make a Female Lucio

Worked with McCree and America

[last inlet]

God AI means not a lot these days

Like, what, they had Anubis

And something else

[untold timber]

Theres others that werent revealed

[last inlet]

And they didn't do much with the concepts

[sacred hamlet]

There's plenty of God AIs around the world

So still a possibility

[last inlet]

Sure

But like a lot of things, I wouldn't hold my breath

[untold timber]

what i don't get is why we needed technically 3 ana comics when most of the heroes dont have much outside of their basic lore on the description page

[last inlet]

Technically?

[sacred hamlet]

Because Ana, Reaper and Jack are interesting

And everyone else isn't

But again

[last inlet]

They're a big central part of Overwatch

[quick isle]

they are also older and part of the original team

[sacred hamlet]

They'd need more Lore to be interesting in the first place

[last inlet]

Representing different directions that the Overwatch organization took

[fierce isle]

Ever since hiring Alyssa Wong I’ve thought that Blizz have been reorganizing/ planning the story now

[untold timber]

The backstory maybe. But in current lore i think characters like winston would be more important

[sacred hamlet]

Yeah we need more Winston and Torb

They're the most important characters in OW

Change my mind

[last inlet]

Forward movement isn't happening too much

[sacred hamlet]

Lol

We haven't moved an inch since 2016

[last inlet]

But that's been a thing

[sacred hamlet]

It's pretty depressing

[peak escarp]

there aren't God AIs all over the world

theres Anubis

[sacred hamlet]

Yes there are

[peak escarp]

that's it

[sacred hamlet]

I read it in the Wikia that means it's true

[last inlet]

Where's the wiki say they are

[sacred hamlet]

https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/God_program

[peak escarp]

the Wikia isn't an official source

[sacred hamlet]

"According to lead writer Michael Chu, "God program" is a colloquial term used more to describe the rogue AI Anubis than to describe a whole subset of AIs."

Imagine believing in Chu pepeLaugh

[untold timber]

This guy is really closed minded

[peak escarp]

who else would you believe?

[sacred hamlet]

In anyone but Chu

[peak escarp]

Chu is the one writing the story

[sacred hamlet]

But yeah not a lot of options

i'd believe more in a monkey with a typewriter than Chu

He's done some okay stuff

But he's bound to fuck up

[peak escarp]

Chu is the only one you should trust for lore

[sacred hamlet]

In the same way the only person I can trust with our country is our president

What a ride

[last inlet]

That's not even comparable

And we don't have many head writers

Or whatnot

[sacred hamlet]

What about that girl they picked up at the contest

[fierce isle]

I believe it’s him, Wong and a few others?

[peak escarp]

Alyssa Wong

[sacred hamlet]

I was skeptical with that girl at first

She writes some really weird shit

[peak escarp]

if she gave us lore I'd probably believe her, but she hasn't yet

[untold timber]

Theres still a lot of big things that haven't even been scratched yet: the PETRAS act, the "eye" in sombras chart who apparently is the true "bad guy"

[sacred hamlet]

But anything's better than Chu, probs.

[last inlet]

So there's one AI that was called God Program by some people

[sacred hamlet]

Yeh

That means there's more

[last inlet]

How so

[peak escarp]

it's a colloquialism

[last inlet]

Yeah

Some people called it that

[peak escarp]

like calling an elevator a lift

[last inlet]

Exactlt

[sacred hamlet]

There's multiple AIs of that kind

[last inlet]

Says who

[sacred hamlet]

But that's how they call it

I'm just saying

Probable

[last inlet]

It's possible, sure. Probable? Hmm

[peak escarp]

it refers only to Anubis, as far as we know

[sacred hamlet]

The world is a pretty big place

If something exists in Anubis

it probably exists somewhere else as well

[last inlet]

It would've been nice to have a set of powerful AIs that are called God programs

But they shut that down quick

And just because something can exist in a world doesn't mean it does

There's just as much reason to believe there aren't any others as reason to believe there are

[sacred hamlet]

That' up to the person

[untold timber]

I just looked at the pharah comic again

[sacred hamlet]

Could've just said "God program is a colloquial term and that's it shut up about it"

[untold timber]

They just stated Anubis as ONE of the god programs

[last inlet]

He basically did

[sacred hamlet]

But "more of a colloquial" hits at more honestly

[last inlet]

The comic was made before he said that

[untold timber]

Retconning is bad for development

[peak escarp]

whoever told Pharah about Anubis probably thought there were others

[sacred hamlet]

So there's multiple God AIs in anubis then

[last inlet]

Or there were

[sacred hamlet]

@untold timber Welcome to Chu industries

Pray for Wong 🙏

[last inlet]

Maybe they did exist.

Maybe they're gone now.

Who can say

[peak escarp]

very few things have been retconned

this is not one of them

[untold timber]

Bring. Back. Metzen.

[peak escarp]

let him retire in peace

[sacred hamlet]

Hire. Valve's. Writers.

Or don't

That's also an option

[peak escarp]

Chu was still the head writer when Metzen was on the team

[last inlet]

Just keep going the way they're going

It's at least been consistent

Nothing changed for the sake of it

[peak escarp]

consistency is good

[sacred hamlet]

Good consistency is good

1 comic a year and a "It's on the works" or "Soon" is probably bad

[peak escarp]

most of the things that were changed got changed before the game was even released

[sacred hamlet]

We need some better consistency

[last inlet]

More frequent releases might be nice

But the quality of the releases hasn't been bad lately

[fierce isle]

I think they’re still reorganizing it. I think Wong was hired because of that.

[last inlet]

Or maybe it's because I stopped caring as much about OW lore

But it seems not bad

[peak escarp]

it's just the quantity that has dropped off

[untold timber]

Has it ever been confirmed if E54 is bastions model or just like a serial number. All the others have B73 on them (originally i assumed for simplicity, but its ALL of them that have it in game and in the shorts besides null sector)

[peak escarp]

the quality of what we do get is consistently good

I think it's the model number

[last inlet]

In lore maybe

[peak escarp]

like Orisa's OR15A

[last inlet]

I thought out of lore, it was some reference to a friend or family member

[untold timber]

It is

[peak escarp]

yep

Jeff's step-daughter's screenname

[gusty fjord]

So

The new hero tease

It's either Cuerva or John Baptiste right?

[valid shell]

Definitely Baptiste.

Cuerva's just a mouthpiece so the tease didn't have to be in Baptiste's words.

[gusty fjord]

Baptiste as a support then?

for Talon

Which is nice change of pace.

[valid shell]

Ex. Talon.

Moira's already a Talon support.

[gusty fjord]

Hmmm

Maybe he's a support DPS hybrid?

[worthy rose]

naw

[sacred hamlet]

It's what i'm thinking right now

[valid shell]

Possibly.

[gusty fjord]

Cuerva mentions that he's a "good shot"

[sacred hamlet]

He's probably 70% DPS 30% healer

[mild storm]

does anyone know what the hack message in the Blizz launcher has to do with the Overwatch lore?

[worthy rose]

I don't think they'd mention him as a medic if he wasn't a support

[gusty fjord]

"I know better than to underestimate Baptiste. I helped train him myself, and he was one of our best. I’ve never known a medic to be such a good shot, and his adaptability to new situations is a rare talent. All of us have seen our fair share of conflict, but Baptiste was built to survive. I swear he has the Devil’s own luck."

[worthy rose]

and the game has far enough dps as it is

[sacred hamlet]

You know medics can fight right

and he took 3 talon members out by himself

he's dangerous

[gusty fjord]

He's ult is probalby "Devil's Luck" or whatever

[worthy rose]

yea ik but still way too damn much dps based heroes

that's cheesy af

and i dont think so

[sacred hamlet]

and there's too many supports as well

[gusty fjord]

I can see Baptiste being a "Zenyatta" type of character?

He's like a glass cannon of sorts

[sacred hamlet]

we got 2 supports in a row last year

[worthy rose]

it may be like an AOE where he becomes impossible to crit for a period of time

[sacred hamlet]

and supports are dominating metas left and right

we need some tanks and DPS

[gusty fjord]

Has anyone decrypted the hexadecimal message yet?

The one from Sombra hacking into Talon?

[valid shell]

Doesn't Reaper have a "I have the devil's own luck" voice line?

[worthy rose]

the only meta, is the higher tier in play which is zen brig and lucio; the ranked ladder is an entirely different experience with literally just ana and lucio or zen or straight up goats, which if you're not at high masters or above, you won't be able to play it to the point where u can roll people every time.

7Tanks
16 DPS
6 supports

https://imgur.com/a/gaSJqeZ

and when i say higher tier i mean masters and above

they left hints in the reveal

no idea what they mean tho

[valid shell]

Hm.

5, 6, 7, 8 down the left side.

And a signature starting with M.

And something 'letter/thank you note'.

[worthy rose]

says "hi letter" i think

[gusty fjord]

But the hexadecimal though?

From the Twitter?

Is that somethiing or?

[lunar latch]

�

������Baptiste`YwA��i��
�g��0
���"
is what i got

[worthy rose]

it just says a lot of random gibberish and then Baptiste

[lunar latch]

Baptiste is in it soooo yeah

[worthy rose]

in the middle

good chance it's him

assuming it is a him

[sacred hamlet]

Definitely going to be him

[gusty fjord]

I hope he's a omnic

I want more omnic bros

[ocean river]

Who is captain cuerva 🤔

[gusty fjord]

A Talon soldier or something

[worthy rose]

A talon strike captain apparently

[ocean river]

There’s hints leading that it a support role tho

[gusty fjord]

I hope John Baptiste is:

Support
Hitscan (like Ana)
Devil's Luck Ult
OMNIC BRO

[valid shell]

S-

[frosty shell]

It is very unlikely Baptiste is an omnic

[valid shell]

So Ana/Ashe?

[frosty shell]

No omnics we've seen have had human-like names

[valid shell]

?

Maximilien.

[gusty fjord]

He could have changed his name, there's no problem in him doing that

Especially since he's Ex-talon afterall

John Baptiste could easily be a "church" thing--maybe he's in line with the Iris or whatever

[valid shell]

If we're getting a Talon-affiliated Omnic, we're getting Max.

Baptiste is not an Omnic.

[gusty fjord]

Well yeah~ But I do hope he's an omnic.

[valid shell]

Why?

[gusty fjord]

Just so we can have variety per se. It's fun being an omnic

[valid shell]

If he's Haitian, then that's the second potential black hero that Blizzard replaced with a robot.

That's PR suicide.

[gusty fjord]

I wasn't aware we were taking note of it?

[valid shell]

The internet is.

[gusty fjord]

Huh

Then I guess he's a black dude then?

[valid shell]

Ideally, yes.

[gusty fjord]

I'll be honest, I never really took note of ethnicity/skin color when I play Overwatch? XD

But maybe I'm the rare exception

[valid shell]

Congratulations for not seeing color.

[gusty fjord]

To be fair, Mei's the only Asian representation but that's primarily because China.

[valid shell]

?

[gusty fjord]

Or wait no

LOL

[worthy rose]

theres hanzo and genji and d.va so no?

[valid shell]

What is Hanzo, Genji, D.Va, Symmetra?

[gusty fjord]

I'm misremering MAH BAD

[dire timber]

I just wanted the Haitian hero to be a black lady 😭

like, we don't have any

[valid shell]

You and me both, Slig.

[gusty fjord]

Hmmm

[dire timber]

so this would be a good time for that

[gusty fjord]

So black dude/dudette whose name is John Baptiste?

[worthy rose]

dude

[dire timber]

Baptiste's a guy

[gusty fjord]

Would be a nice twist if it were a dudette

[dire timber]

which is why I'm disappointed

[gusty fjord]

If only because "James Bond is just a name" or whatever

It's just a "code name" for John

He IS Ex-talon after all

[dire timber]

extremely unlikely

[valid shell]

I guess Blizzard prioritized breaking the pattern of post-launch female humans over getting a black chick in the game.

[dire timber]

hmmm

what do you mean?

[valid shell]

Getting another male support is nice tho.

[dire timber]

hold on, I'll look at release order

[gusty fjord]

I will say though, I want his playstyle to be support, and a mix between Ana and Zen.

[worthy rose]

👀 why do ppl assume he's gonna be a support? i mean 2 of the last 4 heroes were supports

[gusty fjord]

Or just a support whose firearm isn't "hard" to master

He's a medic that's a good shot?

[dire timber]

oh, with an exception for Hammond, we got 3 female heroes in a row

[gusty fjord]

Ana - Sniper
Zen - Projectile
Lucio - Beat Saber
Mercy - Pistol
Brig - Mace

Can I have a support with a NORMAL weapon for a change? Like maybe a TMP or something? Just spray and pray. But if he's a "Good shot" so maybe another sniper?

[dire timber]

I kinda expected Hamid Faisal to break that pattern

[valid shell]

@worthy rose He's explicitly described as a medic.

Although he might be a reverse Ana: a medic who went offensive.

[gusty fjord]

I sure hope he has a Burst Rifle (Halo 3)

Do you guys know that?

[valid shell]

Let's not get too lost in gameplay speculation.

That's for #overwatch

[gusty fjord]

Gotcha

But okay

CINEMATIC

Do you guys think this will feature a new map?

[worthy rose]

We just got paris

^

[gusty fjord]

So Paris then?

John's hiding In Paris?

[worthy rose]

Maybe?

[gusty fjord]

Eating a CROUSCANT?!

haha

[worthy rose]

[gusty fjord]

I can already see that maybe he's at the bar with the omnic singer

And everything goes tits up when the talon peeps arrive

It'll be like a mexican standoff, and when the firing starts

Tables will be turned and it'll be a hollywood shootout

Somewhere in there, someone's playing the piano LOL

[worthy rose]

👀 he leaves the party at the chateau, talon follows him to the bar and then the standoff? 😄

[fringe blade]

what is everyone talking about

what happened?

[valid shell]

@fringe blade playoverwatch.com

[gusty fjord]

The possible cinematic for JOhn the Baptiste

In Paris

[fringe blade]

and

there is nothing on there?

[valid shell]

Check the blogposts.

[gusty fjord]

He escapes by...being rescued by Overwatch...???

XD

[valid shell]

Better to catch up yourself than play broken telephone with us.

[fringe blade]

oooooh

everyone thinks that this Cuerva is the new character?

[valid shell]

No.

Baptiste.

[fringe blade]

My bad

Right

So a support

[valid shell]

Possibly.

[gusty fjord]

Possibly

ALLEGEDLY

[fringe blade]

How come it says 'he is a good shot' ? I hope not another sniper, right?

[gusty fjord]

Either he's a sniper

or he's a crackshot

[valid shell]

McCree and D.Va are both considered good shots.

[gusty fjord]

How is Dva a good shot when you just have to press left cllick?

lol

Jokes aside

[valid shell]

Lore =/= gameplay.

[gusty fjord]

Fair enough

I sure hope his gun is good though

Something befitting a medic...

[fringe blade]

Hmm

[valid shell]

Something something Halo we know.

[fringe blade]

It says he has good adaptability.

[gusty fjord]

hahah

But my question

[fringe blade]

Maybe some sort of chameleon ability, or am I reading too deeply into this?

[gusty fjord]

Lore wise

Why is Sombra looking into John Baptiste?

What's the point...?

It's clear that this.... "event" is happening in the past.

So whatever happened between Cuerva and John already happened

[valid shell]

Has it?

It might have just happened, canonically.

[gusty fjord]

TALON FIREWALL... Bypassed
Accessing file... [CLASSIFIED] Communications Record of Captain Cuerva, D.

She's accessing a file

of communications

[worthy rose]

Anyone know what it is??

[gusty fjord]

So it's already on record.

It's the letter from blizzard @worthy rose

[worthy rose]

could be 1 day old or a year

doesnt say how old it is

[gusty fjord]

Well true

[limpid agate]

I think its likely a recent event

[worthy rose]

Probs

[gusty fjord]

But if we were to assume it's in the present, what does she stand to gain in prying information she has no...bussiness in?

I mean, last I checked, she was after the illuminati

[limpid agate]

Its Sombra

Do you need to ask

[worthy rose]

^

[gusty fjord]

Maybe SOMBRA rescues John Baptiste

[valid shell]

Why does Sombra know about Genji's past?

[gusty fjord]

And gets a favor token from him. haha

[limpid agate]

I doubt that part

She likes manipulating people

[gusty fjord]

She does?

[limpid agate]

...

!!loreHeroes Sombra

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Sombra#story

[limpid agate]

Please read her story

[gusty fjord]

Okay gotcha

But yeah

She likes manipulating people

If she rescues John

[limpid agate]

Jean

[worthy rose]

Her entire thing is power and manipulation

[gusty fjord]

She gets to dictate what he does

[worthy rose]

She has a finger in every pie

[gusty fjord]

"You do my thing, and I 'll make sure you're off the grid"

easy as pie for her

[valid shell]

You don't pull information when it's required, you accumulate information preemptively.

[limpid agate]

jean-baptiste augustin

[gusty fjord]

John be like: "This girl be crazy but I dig it. Whatchu got?"

[limpid agate]

Which is... Uhh

[gusty fjord]

hahah

[limpid agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Jacques_Augustin
Wonder if its a fake name

[valid shell]

Why do you keep saying John.

Just say Baptiste. 😂

[gusty fjord]

Meh bad

Baptiste then

[limpid agate]

Baptiste is what will probably be the hero name, from the looks of things

[gusty fjord]

Sombra rescues him.
He owes her a Favor Card in exchange for her keeping him off the grid.
Blizzard gets to show us a new hero, while at the same time keeping the game's story in a standstill. LOL

it's a win win

[worthy rose]

Sombra lore link doesnt work

[limpid agate]

Because I used a captial

[valid shell]

So use google.

[limpid agate]

!!loreHeroes sombra

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sombra#story

[worthy rose]

Ah

[gusty fjord]

hahah

Someone just suggested that Baptiste is MEDICREE

[fringe blade]

Another healer, cool. main tank self cries in corner

[gusty fjord]

you flashbang your teammates to heal them XD

[vast mango]

OK, just saw overwatch's tweet. Someone fill me in, what do we know, what do we dont know

[fringe blade]

The letter might be a deception tactic by Blizzard

[limpid agate]

All we know about Baptiste is:

• A Talon Deserter
• Male
• A medic
• Has a French name
• Took out a 4 man squad in French-Speaking Haiti

[fringe blade]

To take our attention away from the real hero 30

[limpid agate]

Aside from the letter

The other thing is the hex code

Which spells Baptiste

@vast mango Did you read the letter

Or just look at the tweet

Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9

[vast mango]

nah didnt see the letter

[limpid agate]

Thought not

I linked it

[vast mango]

thanks

was antonio the leader of talon before he was shot by reyes?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[vast mango]

was thinking that baptiste is the new one

[limpid agate]

Baptiste is a deserter

[vast mango]

k nvm then

😂

[limpid agate]

Talon is currently run by a council of leaders

Doomfist appears to be the main leader, the other 4 we know of are:
Reaper
Moira
Sanjay Korpal
Maximillien

[vast mango]

as far as i can see, the letter has no confirmed date. we can see 27th of august but no year. could the letter have been written during the omnic crisis?

[limpid agate]

No

Its most likely the present, at worst 1-2 years prior

Its relatively recent

[vast mango]

how do we know?

[limpid agate]

The lack of a year is because the year Overwatch takes place in is a mystery

Its speculated to be 2076/2077

But its an unknown

[vast mango]

i guess we also saw sombra's hack icon in the video so it must be present

[west cove]

I know this isn't Overwatch directly, but they use it as a comparison and I thought it was hilariously pathetic https://archive.fo/IxOe4

top tier journalism

archived so you don't need to give em pageviews

[fringe blade]

That is the most sponsored article i have seen in my life

[sacred hamlet]

I do agree with the article

[west cove]

bonus points for there being plenty of titanfall lore from the past 2 games and as a result there are in fact plenty of mysteries to be taken from the characters, e. g. wraith being an ex pilot

[sacred hamlet]

The characters are really quirky and their one dimensional style and vague lore gives Respawn time flesh them out more as the game progresses

[west cove]

so.. like overwatch?

[limpid agate]

Thats not what the article says

[sacred hamlet]

Reminds me of TF2, and TF2 is a banger with its lore.

[limpid agate]

The article says a lack of lore is better than a half finished lore

[west cove]

lol

[sacred hamlet]

Definitely

[limpid agate]

Or more specifically

0/0 is better than 4/10

[west cove]

tf2 didn't have lore for years and its a damn meme

[sacred hamlet]

TF2 is a lot of things

[west cove]

or do you mean tif2

[sacred hamlet]

A good source of meme is one of them

No TF2 Valve

Like Apex the characters were released as dumb steriotypes and released onto a battlefield with one objective: If you're RED = BLU Team bad. If you're BLU = RED Team bad

you're mercenaries now fight

[west cove]

the one plot tf2 haa going for it hasnt seen an update in years

so we're right back at OW with that

[sacred hamlet]

Then with time, Valve fleshed out the world smoothly

Yeah it's been 2 years

and it's supposed to be the last one, so they're being cautious with it

Overall I do agree with what the Article has to say

New interesting characters with vague lore gives them room to be improved upon with time

[languid chasm]

Yay i love TF2!

Sorry

[sacred hamlet]

And yeah like Jewv said

[valid shell]

again

[sacred hamlet]

better to have nothing in the first place than something unfinished and overall dissapointing

[valid shell]

always talking about not-Overwatch

[west cove]

but there isn't nothing

[sacred hamlet]

who knows whne OW will be finished

Probably won't

[west cove]

inbe4 lego overwatch show