just a genuine wonder
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
there are other artists/writers who make the comics
there's also the bureaucracy of Blizzard marketing
worthy rose
wasn't that one of the areas that they made cut backs to and fired or something?
iron plume
they did lay off marketers but it's mostly from the publishing division
pretty much because they lost Bungie
timid eagle
Yeah, even in-game, we haven't got any new interactions.
Ash and Hammond, especially.
iron plume
Interactions for post-release heroes were always slow
Moira had like three on release and then only had new ones added next anniversary
peak escarp
it comes down to when they can get the actors into the studio
timid eagle
Or, when they do, how much material they can squeeze out of them when they do get in.
At this time, it feels like the game is becoming very slow.
peak escarp
it had a burst of content at launch and in its first year
the sudden dropoff in 2018 was unexpected
sacred hamlet
I never understood these massive delays for Interaction Voicelines in OW
Heroes in Dota 2 released in 2012 already had voicelines prepped up for heroes who got released in 2016
iron plume
it's not about when they are released
sacred hamlet
Meanwhile Blizzard pretends that Moira has amnesia and decides to not give Moira Interactions with Doomfist who was released 6 months before her
iron plume
it's whether the actors had time to record within the frame from writing the interaction lines to hero release
sacred hamlet
Same for Reaper and Sombra
iron plume
do you really think Dota's lines were recorded all the way back in 2012
sacred hamlet
They were
iron plume
not how that works
sacred hamlet
They really were
Techies was released in 2014 and had voicelines for Underlord who got released in 2016
sacred hamlet
some other characters in 2012 also had voicelines for arc warden who was also released in 2015
iron plume
you know they can get actors back right
sacred hamlet
no
I'm saying that in 2012
voice lines leaked
you could find them in the game's code
Heroes in 2012 already had voicelines for heroes who would be launched years later
iron plume
then they're either reused or they're sitting on them for years, which for me sounds stupider than waiting a couple months
sacred hamlet
yeah they sit on it
which is honestly not bad
If you know a character's going to exist and have correlations to this older character
iron plume
OW's heroes have a roughly two year cycle from the initial idea to completion
sacred hamlet
why not record voicelines before that eventually happens
iron plume
you're suggesting sitting on lines intended for heroes that they don't even know about yet
how exactly would that work
valid shell
They could also just be feeling out the climate around the new hero to decide what added interactions/lines will be received best.
peak escarp
they won't do that because they know people datamine the game
sacred hamlet
You hold on to them until the character's released ⁉
peak escarp
and it would spoil upcoming heroes
sacred hamlet
Yeah that's a valid point
sacred hamlet
If blizz doesn't wanna leak future heroes that's fine
iron plume
not conceived
sacred hamlet
Ok it seems you didn't understand what I said
Heroes released in 2012
Let's say Axe
iron plume
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limpid agate
Use OW as an example
sacred hamlet
Already had voicelines for heroes who were already in the works
sacred hamlet
This is what i'm saying though
limpid agate
Are you suggesting as a parallel
iron plume
in overwatch
limpid agate
Hanzo having voicelines for Ashe?
limpid agate
Or Rein having lines written for Brig since 2014?
iron plume
set to be released years later
valid shell
Overwatch =/= Dota.
limpid agate
As a parellel
valid shell
This is a nontopic.
limpid agate
Because there is a difference between those
Dota devs knew with certainty they were going to add all the original characters
iron plume
You wouldn't have any lines intended for heroes that are more than a year out
limpid agate
Making interactions with Arc Warden 4 years in advance is fine
iron plume
because a year out from release the hero doesn't have a defined character yet
limpid agate
Because they know they need to bring back all the original characters
sacred hamlet
Yes the Dota devs had that planned since the start
limpid agate
Blizzard doesnt know if they want to make Casino or not
sacred hamlet
what I'm saying is that it's confusing that a character like Doomfist and Sombra
who were released in 2016 and 2017
iron plume
and if they do, what kind of lines they would
sacred hamlet
wouldn't have lines prepped for Moira
limpid agate
Moira's existence as we know it was first formed after Doomfist's release
iron plume
Moira as a character didn't take shape until at least spring 2018
sacred hamlet
and even more confusing that they didn't bother recording Moira Interactions with Doom and Sombra
iron plume
it would've been pointless to record lines for her before then
peak escarp
it's funny you mention Rein having voicelines for Brigitte, because he did have an interaction with Mercy where he mentions her (and pronounces her name wrong)
sacred hamlet
when they were released months before her
limpid agate
Yes
iron plume
because you would've just needed to rewrite and rerecord them
peak escarp
which has since been corrected, iirc
limpid agate
I used that example on purpose
iron plume
Arc Warden was known about four years out
because he was an established character
Moira wasn't
sacred hamlet
Like Jewvia said
Dota Heroes were planned to be released in Dota 2 since the start
iron plume
Moira was in the process of being formed
limpid agate
Here's your difference
sacred hamlet
This made the process easier
limpid agate
When did they start adding in lines for Monkey King
sacred hamlet
Yeah I see the difference
No heroes had voice lines for MK
He was a complete surprise
limpid agate
Overwatch heroes are Monkey King
iron plume
...
worthy rose
2017?
sacred hamlet
Monkey King was supposed to be a new Dota Generation thing
iron plume
because Doom and Sombra's actors weren't available
worthy rose
it's late and i'm tired
sacred hamlet
completely unrelated to everyone else
valid shell
Why tf are we still talking about Dota.
iron plume
which is a short window
because voicelines are among the last things to be written for a new character
limpid agate
Doomfist and Sombra don't live in America. Their VAs tend to go to California to record lines iirc
sacred hamlet
So you're saying they didn't plan for Moira, Doomfist and Sombra being in the same faction
limpid agate
I think Ana's VA is the main exception
sacred hamlet
AKA Talon
limpid agate
Correct me if I am wrong
sacred hamlet
I understand Reaper and Widow not having voicelines prepped for the rest of the Talon characters since they were pretty new
iron plume
and thus the decision becomes between waiting for some interactions
and delaying the whole character
sacred hamlet
at this point I'm basically shooting in the dark since I don't know how voice acting works
but it can't be that difficult to record all the voicelines needed in a short amount of time right
like a week or a month
iron plume
yes it can
limpid agate
It is that difficult
iron plume
because it's not just "yo record this"
peak escarp
most of the VAs are either in California or New York
iron plume
people have schedules
limpid agate
Ok thanks
iron plume
VAs have busy schedules
peak escarp
a few are in London (Orisa)
limpid agate
But if you want more context of how complex voice acting is
peak escarp
Ana is in Egypt, and I think Doomfist is also in London
limpid agate
Fire Emblem Heroes is a mobile game where every character has no more than 10 voiced lines of text.
They record their voice lines half a year in advance
There is a lot more steps than just put them in the booth, and then put it in game
sacred hamlet
don't these games just use gibberish outside of cutscenes
peak escarp
Mei's VA visits America sometimes, but mostly lives and works in China and does her recording sessions remotely
sacred hamlet
honestly not a lot of faith in mobile games
limpid agate
No, there's silence outside the voiced lines
Fire Emblem is also a relatively high budget Nintendo game
And these voices are in more languages than just English
And they record half a year in advance
sacred hamlet
Yeah that's the problem
limpid agate
Adding lines ot Overwatch isnt just getting Doomfist's VA in the booth
Its getting his Chinese VA in the booth
His Italian VA in the booth
His French VA, his Japanese VA, etc.
sacred hamlet
they have so many languages to translate to they have to delay them
really unfortunate
limpid agate
Then you have sound editing
sacred hamlet
Ok let's be honest here
limpid agate
There are a lot more steps and complications between writing a line and putting it in game
sacred hamlet
I think the main problem itself is localization
Blizzard can't just release Interactions solely for english players and then ditch every other language
so they do massive delays
limpid agate
You cant just stop supporting a language though
peak escarp
and programming them into the game, adding them to the list of lines that can be triggered when both heroes are played on the same team
iron plume
it's one of the problems that make it up
it's actually usually easier for other languages
because they'll often have some VAs double up
limpid agate
Localization isnt that big of a problem
Its one that exists and does eat time
But not that much
sacred hamlet
But think about it
You can't release English Voice Lines that are already prepared for launch
limpid agate
Also its worth noting, Mei and Widowmaker play themselves in their native dubs
sacred hamlet
when they're not ready for other regions
limpid agate
They're not prepared though
peak escarp
Mei's VA also voices Symmetra in Chinese
limpid agate
Because theres other steps
iron plume
"that are already prepared for launch"
they do those at the same time
they're not already prepared for launch
limpid agate
For all you know, the French Junkrat was the first to make his new voicelines
iron plume
sometimes the other languages might be later, often they'll be sooner
limpid agate
Maybe Darin de Paul was the last Reinhardt to enter the studio because he was too busy on other games
iron plume
There's usually less problems with scheduling for other versions
because VAs double up and they're more "journeyman" type actors
as opposed to some of the star power the English version has
that leads to scheduling difficulty
sacred hamlet
So if the game only had an English version to take care of
We'd still have delays
Because voice is acting is supposedly harder than it looks
Even though I'll be honest
This seems like a problem only Blizz has
peak escarp
it's not just voice acting
iron plume
...we just brought up how one of Dota's heroes had zero interactions
how is this a blizzard thing
peak escarp
it's wrangling 30+ professional voice actors who are adults with lives and families and careers
limpid agate
What line of work do you work in
sacred hamlet
at least they seeem to be able to do it
peak escarp
I can't even get 4 people to arrange to have the same day off to play together
sacred hamlet
Who you talking to
worthy rose
how old are you
limpid agate
Then you cant understand the complications that happen
sacred hamlet
And spare me the shittalking 'cause Brazil is not really a unexperienced welcoming country
Job hard to find
But back to voicelines
Yes it probably is difficult for Blizz
But it makes me wonder how Riot does it so well
Maybe more people developing the game instead of marketing
worthy rose
cause they make one character a year now and they make very little if any lore or interaction; they have 100+ Characters and rarely if ever interact with them again because no one actually understands the world they have
worthy rose
Overwatch is severely more story based than League is and there is a lot of things that go into it that you don't understand but based on ur responses thus far you think it's incredibly simple and easy
hybrid lotus
scoots is right chief
sacred hamlet
It's actually factually wrong if you look at what Riot did last year
In fact i'd argue that Runeterra is a more fleshed out world than Overwatch's Alternate Reality of Earth 20XX
Riot fucking sucks at developing it but they're at least trying
It's actually what's been drawing me towards LoL more than Dota last year
They're giving it a lot of care and I admire it
limpid agate
League's lore is awful and riddled with entire rewrites
limpid agate
I stopped caring about it years ago when they did the second grand retcon and rebuilt the world for the second time
sacred hamlet
But they're at least trying
hybrid lotus
the only important thing is that ryze is protecting us from the rune war
or something
sacred hamlet
Jewv I think they just revamped the lore of 10 different champions last month
so you're right
limpid agate
Also they regularily took entire characters, deleted their identity, and gave them a new one
Thats disgusting
sacred hamlet
but I'd check it out if you don't mind
you're righht it's fucking disgusting and trash or whatever you wanna call it
But they seem to know where they're going now
limpid agate
Also, I got curious and started looking at voice actors in other languages
And also see when they stopped hiring popular VAs
So I looked at Japan. The most recent big VA they hired was Doomfist
sacred hamlet
Didn't Ashe's vocie actor just shit on Activision
limpid agate
Yes but shes in a union
sacred hamlet
and because of that she's probably in a bit of trouble
or not
btw what you mean by Union
limpid agate
Japanese Doomfist voices Albert Wesker, Kazuya Mishima, and Sol Badguy
sacred hamlet
What does that have to deal with shittalking activision though
sacred hamlet
Because she's protected you mean
limpid agate
Yes
sacred hamlet
Well I'm still confused about how Riot manages to nail Interactions and voice lines in League with over 10 supported languages without fucking up
Compared to Blizz which still needs to do a lot of work
Perhaps it's just more workers
But again what does manpower have to do with 1 person sitting in a room talking into a microphone with some studio people
No idea
limpid agate
I got curious so I looked into it
I can find lines about the most recent character, Sylas, addressing others
I cant find the opposite
About existing characters addressing Sylas
League does 1 way lines
peak escarp
it's 1 person talking into a microphone with some studio people x 30 x however many languages
sacred hamlet
But characters like Kaisa still acknowledge Kassadin
limpid agate
The only reason why Sylas acknowledges the cast is because his lines are 1 direction
In Overwatch, you need both halves
So you dont get many conversations
sacred hamlet
You do have a point
Even though there's plenty of lines in OW that are just
One liners
no conversation
and those are technically supposed to be "interactions"
limpid agate
And we get those still
peak escarp
correction: Doomfist's VA lives in Amsterdam
and he's a pretty well decorated theatre actor
sacred hamlet
@limpid agate Also what was that you meant with Ezreal not being "tied" to his story
peak escarp
being a voice in a video game is a very odd thing to see listed among Tony-award winning performances
worthy rose
I think she means that ezreal plays a big role in his story but his character and model doesn't mention or say anything about him
just a guess
worthy rose
just some context, i'm currently buried in a text book tryint to study and keep up with this conversation; Most of LoL lore I am not caught up on what was outright changed cause I stopped playing after Zoe was released. Also I meant character model not character and model; I'm very tired.
sacred hamlet
By character model you mean his personality right
worthy rose
i mean his actual in game thing; the thing you play in game; That's where most the interactions go in cause League's story isn't told through animations like OW is;
His character model/ the in game ezreal you pick when playing the game, says stuff and often characters who come later often have a line for the for the other characters who are tied into their lore but not the other way around; Like how Illaoi is tied into Gangplank lore but gangplank's model doesn't say or make any mention or have a special interaction with her despite him apparently loving her
sacred hamlet
That's due to Illaoi coming months after Gangplank got reworked
They could have recorded GP lines for her but I'm guessing they weren't sure about making the new character related to GP or not, so they decided not to do it.
But other than that I do feel like Ezreal interacts with the world pretty well
He's got lines for a lot of Demacian champs and even shares conversations with Lux
Zoe and Ezreal also have interactions with one another
But not simultaneously
Ezreal also brags about his whole character a lot
Where he's been, what he's stolen, things he's done, people he met
He's really well designed
But yeah LoL still shares Interaction problems with a lot of other games such as HoTs and Dota
worthy rose
but he doesn't interact with Sylas which is like the point from earlier; the whole thing about "Tied" to his story. Ezreal has a big tie to Sylas apparently (I say apparently cause i haven't touched league in like almost 2 years) so it'd make sense that they would have or should have lines with eachother which is something OW does well; characters will have one off lines but they will talk to eachother so you can get a good idea of their relationships or pieces of lore like how orisa has a line with bastion noting something about how he is a rare model since she thought all the bastion units were gone
i'm going to bed
goodnight
sacred hamlet
Ezreal actually doesn't know Sylas
But yeah goodnight
But yeah OW Lore Discussion: Something something I hope Archives gets the same amount of care it got last year Interaction and lore Wise
Good day
worthy rose
I'm honestly watching this chat because I am writing something overwatch related with my own character added in
valid shell
Neat.
dire timber
the world of Overwatch isn't particularly fanfiction-friendly tbh
too many crucial details about the setting are way too vague
such as most of the Omnic Crisis
worthy rose
Actually, I would say that, right now, it is particularly fanfiction-friendly due to the lack of details.
Of course, that will probably change soon, possibly with the Archives event or some other major lore dump.
dire timber
eh
I prefer to know all the fundamental basics of the world before basing a story on it
regal coyote
yes lack of some types of detail is good for fanfics, but basic worldbuilding... currently we are missing that in ow
worthy rose
When The Omnic factories were re-activated , the machines were programmed to make Bastion War Machines (Blueprints Stolen From Torbjorn Lindholm) and lots of other weapons of destruction for Omnic extremist Groups to wage war on the humans. who do you think did that? how? why?
it's one of the many many many mysteries in overwatch; my guess is the sombra conspiracy since they had their hands tied in everything meaning lots of power; not indicative that they are the cause of it but that's it; no one we know currently has the means to do so
dire timber
@worthy rose as far as we know, there weren't any omnic extremist groups during the Omnic Crisis
the omnics during the Crisis did not seem to show signs of sapience
worthy rose
@dire timber Then who do you think re-activated the factories to create weapons of mass destruction?
dire timber
we don't know
worthy rose
What do YOU think. Just Hypothetically
dire timber
we don't have enough information for that
worthy rose
I guess
dire timber
it's like asking who altered Widowmaker's physiology before Moira was released
you'd just end up making a new character of your own
worthy rose
Widowmaker was already an assain for overwatch
dire timber
hm? no, not really
worthy rose
A sniper
worthy rose
But then she became a sniper. I guess not for Overwatch
dire timber
Talon kidnapped her and conditioned her to assassinate him
worthy rose
Yes
dire timber
and once her task was complete, she returned to Talon to complete her training
worthy rose
she was in no way an operative for Overwatch
Perhaps it wasnt moria that changed her , It was moira that changed Reyes , but i think it was talon scientist that made her cruel and heartless
Perhps Moria performed experiments on her moira became bad
there's a good chance of evidence that Moira was working with Talon while working in blackwatch
limpid agate
What?
worthy rose
@worthy rose That is very true. It may be the same for reyes
They may have been double agents
also it's speculated since there's a voice line between moira and widow where moira is asking how widow was feeling and widow said she doesn't feel "that's the point isn't it" meaning moira was either responsible or knows of her condition very well
Perhaps they caused the fall of overwatch on the inside.
Its paletable
*possible
I doubt reaper was a double agent cause he killed one of their leaders and was very close friends with Gerard and from what we've seen a good man so i'm doubting he is a double agent
I get what ur saying but i think u have some misconceptions that need clearing up
Perhaps Reyes Pulled a Dumbledore. But in reverse. Killed the talon leader as a plan , but all along was working for them. Perhaps it was a cover - up
He Could have pretended to be there freinds
But that is a little far fetched
so i get what your saying
I mean I doubt it cause there is no motive and as far as we know currently, he didn't have this darwinian mindset of survival of the fittest that doomfist had, he was in overwatch for 20 years and on the strike team for a long time trying to maintain and keep peace in the world, the thought that he was secretly a terrorist this entire time is quite far fetched
i personally don't buy it
It is Just a theroy
But i guess you have a very good point
The Complete Lore And History Of Overwatch ^^^^^
TGN doesn't deep dive into the lore like some of the people here do; they made a decent video but there are some flaws; And while they are an overwatch based channel, that doesn't mean they know the lore or go and look at stuff like the hard core sleuths do
Like it's speculated that Sombra is actually helping out Soldier and that's how he found Ana in the first place
They arent 100% that is true
they aren't but it's super super likely based on the evidence; the Sombra ARG was a big component of that
It may have been just a theroy
yea but it's a theory with a lot weight cause it has evidence, it hasn't been confirmed but it's a very plausible theory cause it has actual pieces of the large puzzle that fit together along with clues on certain maps that @peak escarp would be able to show since they archive a lot of the stuff
Yes
dire timber
@worthy rose at a time of Retribution, Reyes was definitely still a "good guy"
worthy rose
@dire timber Yes
absolutely. I have been proved wrong and I accept a theory that makes more sense.
dire timber
but it was a turning point for him
worthy rose
It was a Turing point for alot of peaple
Including the public
and of course the public seeing Blackwatch for the first time
dire timber
personally, I believe that Moira was ousted from Overwatch immediately following the Venice incident, but Reyes stayed in touch with her secretly
frosty shell
^
worthy rose
Moira was always unhappy at overwatch for the restrictions and cuts they put on her research
dire timber
Moira would ask him for some favors here and there, which unbeknownst to Reyes, were things that Talon wanted done
worthy rose
Indeed
dire timber
and I think that Moira would disclose her affiliation with Talon to Reyes following the Overwatch HQ explosion
at which point Reyes would join
worthy rose
Yes
personally I think Moira was unhappy with Overwatch but was more or less happy with the arrangement she had with Reyes cause she wasn't known until the incident in venice so reyes could have just let her do her research while working under him which was mostly off the books but this is under the assumption she hasn't/wasn't working with Talon at the time
I think when she moved to oasis and given sate of the art research facilities she was very happy.
dire timber
I suspect that Moira is already affiliated with Talon at the time of Retribution, hence all the genetic modifications of Talon troops
worthy rose
Yes
peak escarp
just because a theory has a lot of evidence and fits with the lore doesn't mean it's canon
Sombra helping Soldier is still just a theory
worthy rose
yes
peak escarp
but with that in mind, it's a good theory
and not one I'm responsible for - other people have come to the same conclusion
she might also have told McCree what train Echo would be on
worthy rose
ik but you essentially archive the tweets and lore bits
knotty monolith
Hi, I'm new and am interested in the lore of overwatch.
peak escarp
welcome! any specific questions?
knotty monolith
Plenty actually. Do you think moira and sombra have ever really liked each other?
Like,
work wise.
not ships.
...
peak escarp
we haven't really heard their opinions of each other
knotty monolith
An opinion on your part then?
peak escarp
Sombra does consider Reaper and Widowmaker her "friends", so that could extend to Moira
we don't know how much they interact though
Moira isn't part of Reaper's team
knotty monolith
I have always wondered what mei's team that she was assembled with was like.
peak escarp
Sombra probably knows all the dirt on Moira (because she's Sombra)
worthy rose
Moira and Sombra do have a voiceline interaction
Moira says "Started any wars lately?" And Sombra says "I don't know, let me check my schedule" and I find it amusing like a work place buddy of sorts
Any other questions?
peak escarp
knotty monolith
Oh yeah...you're right.
peak escarp
based on the group picture, they seemed pretty close
worthy rose
i'm the person on the far left
knotty monolith
I mean there personalities and how that seemed to fit.
worthy rose
freezing and okay being there
knotty monolith
Lol. Yeah.
worthy rose
any other lore questions and junk cause i find a lot of people come in with a lot of misconceptions and such
knotty monolith
I followed the lore very closely so I get the lore pretty well.
worthy rose
anything else you'd like to know? cause we're expecting a new hero basically within the next couple of weeks
worthy rose
based on the timing of hero releases yea; they usually appear late feb and come in mid march but we get the hero teases in late feb
knotty monolith
Nice. My birthday is in feb so it just adds glee to my month!
peak escarp
I know we probably won't because they're all dead and not relevant to the story anymore, but I wish we knew more about the Ecopoint scientists
like their first names at least
knotty monolith
they have them above.
BACK ROW (L to R): MacReady, Snowball, Arrhenius, Zhou, Opara, Torres
FRONT ROW: Adams
Those are their names.
worthy rose
I think doc wants the first names, those are last names; Mei Ling Zhou is Mei but they're we only got their last names
lunar latch
Yeah, on the pods it only says their last names...
peak escarp
yeah those are last names
lunar latch
I think we just need to beg the devs for more info or if there is gonna be something that tells us more about them.
worthy rose
i still wanna know what that pink cube is from the mccree comic
peak escarp
they don't tend to answer a lot of questions
lunar latch
Pink cube?
peak escarp
peak escarp
it's hard to tell
lunar latch
If you zoom in it’s like something in it sparked. Not sure but that’s what it looks like.
worthy rose
i'm gonna guess either a weird glowing animal of sorts, or a weapon cause it looks like a very strange fish or gun
lunar latch
Maybe it has something to do with what’s her name, the robot thing from the Ashe teaser.
worthy rose
Echo but i doubt it
worn solar
You know how Reinhardt sees all his enemies as dragons in his comic?
What if there was Reinhardtvision in Overwatch
Actually, that would be weird
worthy rose
i brought that up as like an event but we're probs not gonna get it
personally lunar new years, christmas, and summer are pretty lack luster
worn solar
If there is no new game mode for Archives this year, people are going to be beyond pissed
peak escarp
April
lunar latch
They’ve got more than enough time to plan something else.
peak escarp
Jeff confirmed they have plans for Archives this year
peak escarp
it took them a year to make Retribution
and they do have that AI infrastructure built now, but programming new PvE events will still take a while
twice a year is a reasonable expectation - one for Archives, one for Junkenstein (I hope they do other Junkenstein missions)
lunar latch
Yeah.
worthy rose
Remember the green eyes thing from the Halloween event? I figured out who it was
lunar latch
Who?
peak escarp
green eyes thing?
compact tinsel
When is the anniversary event happening? this will be my first one-archives to
worthy rose
i hope for the upcoming halloween we get ronin genji
worthy rose
Archives is april 10 - 30
I really want he hero’s mentioned in the launch trailer to be added.
vocal pine
I hope we get a young/long-haired Ashe skin for Archives.
tawny patio
Ah time for me to finally drop this, it’s relevant!
lunar latch
?
tawny patio
Unless they drop a random character, they’ve left themselves enough sides that there are tons of available options
Although the spoiler hasn’t come out we have people mentioned in passing from old OW, characters in art from old OW, we have Junker Queen, there’s four other members of Meka, several members of Talon, and probably more people I’m missing cuz I’m rushing this thought rn
I highly doubt the next character would be an old OW member personally because what would they add? We were just getting to a point of wrapping up old ow things, to add more old ow to build on would only prolong the already long as hell background time frame 👀
lunar latch
That was long lol.
tawny patio
I have been waiting to bring up next character talk for a while, this is the condensed version
lunar latch
True, there is a long background time frame
We keep jumping into different time frames to get introduced to new people and new lore
torn gust
I dont think that they'd add other meka people
just because it would be hard to make them different from D.Va
timid eagle
Besides, I wouldn’t mind another Main Tank that is a valued switch from Reinhardt.
worthy rose
No the supports been needing attention
7 tanks
6 supports
16 DPS
And mercy feels like ass and moira provides no utility to her team; we need a new main heals
worthy rose
In reunion, they mention a new character, MCREE says (sorry for grammar issues) We need you, that might signal a new hero coming up, which will most likely be a healer in my opinion
vocal pine
Michael Chu said Echo wouldn't be added for a while, if they do put her in.
worthy rose
ik
Echo? Not hero 30, probably not dps to balance the types, doesn't look like a tank
i know, probs a heal, maybe like zen or somethin
Might be a more dps-y support
More likely than a tanky support
tawny patio
Echo is not 30, confirmed
And I also highly doubt meka because their mechs are a cosmetic element on Busan
I have my personal doubts about Junker Queen just bc Junkrat, Wrecking Ball, and Roadhog are all fairly irrelevant to the larger picture
vocal pine
Junker queen wouldn't make sense for several reasons. They'd have to rework the Junkertown map.
lean prawn
the meka squad are a possibility
they could just do what they did with dva and not have her mech in the hangar
fringe blade
They need to expand on Talon vs. Overwatch for sure
not any backstories/side stories
slow goblet
Actually, that would be an amazing way to foreshadow them. Subtly and without announcement remove the mech of the pilot they’re releasing from the hangar, and let people speculate
But I want a talon tank next
vocal pine
Sanjay or Maximilien being added wouldn't surprise me.
worthy rose
I’d be happy with characters who add more to the core story instead of “world building characters” who currently play no part
fringe blade
Sanjay ain't a tank though, right?
vocal pine
I mean, I doubt he would be.
fringe blade
Neither is Maximilien
worthy rose
Such characters include ashe, hammond, lucio, dva, etc... who have nothing to do with talon or overwatch
fringe blade
I feel like we need a character that has more to do with anchoring, if you know what i mean
like Orisa and Rein
Because we have too many dive heroes
worthy rose
Ppl been begging for a new main tank that has sheild and supports
I want a new main heals character
worthy rose
Mercy is butt to play and moira has no utility for a team
fringe blade
If you think about it, we got Hammy and Ashe
worthy rose
More than likely its a support cause currently
fringe blade
so we don't have a healer yet
fringe blade
I still have a feeling in my heart that Echo is a support
I dont know why
But I just do
bold cargo
she is part of overwatch
fringe blade
Yea
worthy rose
Probably the feminine design and light aethetic she had; she doesnt scream killer and isnt beefy enough to be a tank
fringe blade
Maybe
I feel like something that overwatch really needs is a healer, not firepower
I mean like lore-wise
bold cargo
its possible she could be the new hero considering mcree knows her and im pretty sure everyone does obv
worthy rose
Ehh currently they need financial backing and a lot of other stuff but i cant explain now cause im taking an exam
Maybe hero 32-34 but def not 30
fringe blade
Papa Jeff said that she 'needs more time'
worthy rose
Brb
bold cargo
different healer concept?
bold cargo
gl on the exam
fringe blade
Yea, good luck
bold cargo
i mean its jeff were taalking about
fringe blade
What do you mean by 'different healer concept'?
bold cargo
honestly idk but something different than the other healers
idk man i drew a blank
xd
bold cargo
idek im thinking too hard my brain hurts
valid shell
The gameplay and meta implications of a new hero go in #overwatch
bold cargo
my bad chief
worthy rose
Honestly the things they’re lacking i wouldnt mind generic healing but it’s utility; theyre very hesitant on adding characters that buff and debuff characters in the game
We just need a new main heals cause Ana is the best choice in the ranked latter nowadays
fringe blade
I am talking in lore @valid shell
peak escarp
Lucio and Ana show that support heroes don't need to have healing in their backstory for them to be a healer
valid shell
Healing can be biological reconstruction, like Ana/Mercy/Moira. It can be vague spiritual healing, like Zenyatta. It can be psychological motivation/courage, like Lucio or Brigitte.
There's no hard and fast rule.
worthy rose
Lucio heals through the power of wicked beats
I love it
I am not sure how zen works but he healed genji’s conflicted soul so i guess hay counts
bold cargo
i just want more lore man
worthy rose
Dont we all
bold cargo
papa jeff i hope you have something ready for us
peak escarp
that feeling when you need to explain hair colour genetics on the Overwatch forums
bold cargo
do it lol
peak escarp
I did
it was the classic "two blonde parents can't have a brunette child because hair genetics is based on the very basic mendelian genetics I learned in grade school!"
which it actually isn't
hair genetics is 2 genes (at least), one of which is recessive and the other uses incomplete dominance
so two blonde parents who are carriers for the red hair gene could easily have a daughter with auburn/red hair
fringe blade
Is natural red hair possible
This is offtopic, but I am curious
I mean like purely red, not a shade
peak escarp
natural "red" hair is more orangey
red red hair doesn't occur naturally
Brigitte's hair colour varies depending on the artist, but her concept art looks red/auburn
peak escarp
fun fact - red hair was called red and not orange because they didn't have an English word for that colour until the 1300s when oranges were imported to England
lucid imp
i feel like this information will be needed in the future so thank you
worthy rose
did genji answered the recall?
peak escarp
it's implied that he did
worthy rose
Its a kind of magic
peak escarp
what's a kind of magic?
dawn knot
riddle me this though, how come ashe has white hair and red eyes
unless she puts contacts and dyes for some personal reason
i consider it one of the most immersion breaking things in the lore
because it's so simple, and played off as normal
worthy rose
she's albino maybe
white cobalt
how is immersion breaking when you have Widow/Mei backs half fucked?
vocal pine
Aren't Sombra's eyes purple? I don't really pay any mind to it.
white cobalt
@fringe blade I mean anatomically, specially widow, she doesn't have a "normal" back
fringe blade
I feel like her body is just toned in a different way
foggy lake
so do the people at talon know about Sombra's betrayal
peak escarp
only Reaper
foggy lake
oh
peak escarp
well, he told Doomfist, so he knows too
valid torrent
peak escarp
yes, so odd eye colours shouldn't be a problem
foggy lake
yeah genji can deflect gravity
peak escarp
also Ashe has had red eyes and white hair since she was a child, so I doubt its dyed/contacts
foggy lake
hmm
peak escarp
Sombra too, I think
foggy lake
i like how in the comic with doom fist winston beats doom fist with pure strength and instead of using his fists he uses his tickle gun
fringe blade
Symmetra's eyes are light brown-ish, i believe
peak escarp
of heroes were allowed to use their proper abilities in the game a lot of them would be OP
kinda yellowish
its yellow in her comic
it's hard to tell from her concept art, her eyes are too small scratch that
unborn canopy
Ashe can have red eyes if she is an albino
But idk why her eyebrows are a dark color
I am thinking that it is makeup
But some other characters have a paler skin color than what she has
worn solar
Is BOB considered an omnic if he doesn't appear to have free will?
desert yacht
he's a servant, he might have free will
dawn knot
i personally believe that certain colours represent augmentation
so symmetra, widowmaker, ana, having yellow eyes doesn't bother me
i think i remember ana having yellow eyes yes, but i may be mistaken
sombra having purple eyes could very well be a part of her own unique augmentation
but the red eyes ashe has
makes absolutely no sense to me
as for backs
people can make poses, which changes their backs
if either of those people were to stand normally, i'm sure they'd look much different
jagged garden
Or it's cartoony, and the body shapes and colors are abstract.
dawn knot
^^^
concerning backs
at least
anything more imo has to have some sort of significance
jagged garden
I mean. Widowmaker's back is bent nearly in half for her gallery pose
dawn knot
lol fr
wide tiger
I'm still waiting for a symm animated short 👊 😔
jagged garden
And...Brigette and Reindhert's bodies...cannot be the same proportion as their armor.
formal shore
Idk if you guys know about this already but I was just playing and noticed a few things about some lore.
Junkrat and Roadhog made a plan in Castillo. You can find the map of what they will do in attackers spawn on the table, along with Roadhog's "juice" and Junkrat's mines. They steal the gold in the bank from Dorado, you can even see their pictures in the map, and the second exit from first defense spawn is where they blew up to get in. Then on Junkertown, the giant case they have in the middle of the escort payload is the gold they stole from dorado. (Side note, at the end of Junkertown, you get to the scrapyard. One of the rules in Junkertown is "NO Omnics", and in the scrapyard, you find Omnic remains.) Also, in attackers spawn (just outside of the Junkertown entrance), where you need two people to open the door (Junkrat and Roadhog), they keep the rest of their stash hidden, and their bike is out in the open. This is where they have been hiding out. You can also find Roadhog's pachimaris and where he makes his "juice" and his bed. And all around you can find everyday items like a fridge and stove for them to use. (I have all the screenshots if need be.)
somber sinew
send it dude
formal shore
the screenshots?
somber sinew
yea man
i wanna see
i was remembering the parts of the map as u mentioned them
i'd never really given them a second thought
too focused on killing pl
ppl
formal shore
i cant post pictures here, ill dm them to you
somber sinew
kk
formal shore
and yeah i know, i just noticed the map in castillo a bit ago while playing with friends
night ridge
I knew about the junkertown stuff. But castillo and dorado? I had no idea
wicked pebble
Who do we think the new hero will be?
valid shell
Well, softbrains think it will be someone like Liao or Junkertown Queen.
Otherwise, Hamid or Maximilien or Sanjay are on the table.
plain bridge
@formal shore what is your statement. i didn't really get it in your big paragraph tbh lol
formal shore
@plain bridge so basically, after junk and road got kicked out of junkertown, they lived just outside of it. they stole gold from the bank in dorado and are on the cameras. and from the video "the plan" playoverwatch posted, you see it says a "worldwide heist" so there are other places they stole he money from to give to the queen to try and get back into junkertown.
worthy rose
Actually, junkertown queen could be a possibility if they make junkrat's treasure something more than a valuable mysterious object.
valid shell
Nah.
If we were ever going to get Junkertown Queen, it would have been in Hammond's slot.
They already used their "ex-Scrapyard Champion" character.
limpid agate
Junkerqueen's second chance is in the distant future
Or maybe its better to say third chance thanks to Ashe
long wren
harsh cosmos
I saw junkerqueen fan mades saying a support maybe
limpid agate
She would be a Tank if anything
She is a former gladiatorial mech champion
And lets stop asking for melee characters in your FPS.
But her odds are slim to none for the near future
And are non for 30
iron plume
Ashe essentially took her character niche
fringe blade
I want a tank that Talon kept as a secret weapon of sorts
Hence we never heard of him/her/it
peak escarp
I'd rather not have heroes out of nowhere
there are enough unanswered questions as it is
worthy rose
how long until the next animation doc?
fringe blade
But wouldn't it be a hero out of nowhere anyhow?
peak escarp
late August
worthy rose
k
fringe blade
How do you know?
worthy rose
game's been out for a while so there's like a release pattern now
peak escarp
because we always get one at Gamescom
fringe blade
True
peak escarp
which is August 20-something
fringe blade
Maybe E3?
peak escarp
Blizzard doesn't do E3
fringe blade
Really?
My bad
I dont know if there are any other major gaming events
During the summer
except for e3 or gamescom
limpid agate
Gamescom
peak escarp
a hero that isn't out of nowhere would be someone like Brigitte or Doomfist (who were established characters in the lore) or Moira or Hammond (who were hinted at)
fringe blade
But then Ashe
limpid agate
Ashe is the exception
Not the rule
Even Blizz said in their panel she was weird and special
peak escarp
so Hamid or Sanjay or someone like that would be preferred
fringe blade
I mean, Sombra was sort of out of nowhere, if you don't consider the ARG
limpid agate
A true one off inspiration where the stars aligned
Every other hero since launch had sufficient teaser
iron plume
"Sombra is out of nowhere if you don't count the massive thing that pointed at her"
fringe blade
I mean, the ARG was out of nowhere
iron plume
...
limpid agate
Sombra is out of nowhere if you never played on Dorado with Reaper, looked at Newspapers on Dorado, and ignored the 4 month long ARG
fringe blade
I dont think she was ever really mentioned before it
worthy rose
who's hamid?
limpid agate
Oh and the files on Dorado in Lumerico's pyramid next to Soldier 76's
worthy rose
also she was hinted at in the comic
limpid agate
And Old Soldiers
fringe blade
I suppose
limpid agate
Sombra was far from out of nowhere
peak escarp
Sombra was mentioned in Old Soldiers, which came out in July 2016
iron plume
hamid is bae
and also the Oasis archaeologist
limpid agate
She was the most requested hero since launch
More than Doomfist
People thought Ana was Sombra
iron plume
namedropped in Petra and mentioned in Bastet
limpid agate
No
Hamid
hamid is bae
and also the Oasis archaeologist
namedropped in Petra and mentioned in Bastet
Wouldn't Blizzard leave more of a clue trail to Hamid then a (login on a computer?)
Or at least references
peak escarp
that's about all Sombra got
iron plume
"clue trails" begin within a week of ptr
and he was mentioned the second time in bastet
limpid agate
His clue is the exact same in quality as:
Ana Amari
Moira
Hammond
fringe blade
Why did Hammond get so much hype anyway
limpid agate
People wanted a second animal
peak escarp
they wanted evil Winston
limpid agate
Ana - First mentioned 1 year prior in a background detail (Soldier 76 Origins) - Reintroduced 2 months before her release
peak escarp
which was Simon, not Hammond
fringe blade
An archeology professor/archeologist doesn't strike me as a tank
worthy rose
So like Doc remember the Overwatch picture that got retconned and deemed not canon?
limpid agate
Moira - First mentioned ~1 year prior in an Oasis voiceline - Reintroduced 3 months prior release in Masquerade
limpid agate
Hammond - First mentioned 1 year prior with HLC - Reintroduced 1-2 months prior with the HLC rework
Hamid Faisal - First mentioned ~1 year prior with Petra - Reintroduced 2- months prior with Bastet
limpid agate
Orisa didnt exist, but was teased in Sombra Origins
fringe blade
I just remembered the destroyed airport
limpid agate
Or rather, a Numbani Quadraped was teased
Numbani Airport was after her twitter teasers the week of her reveal
fringe blade
Wait, was Doomfist released first or Orisa?
limpid agate
Orisa
fringe blade
Okay
peak escarp
I want them to tease a hero with big map changes again
limpid agate
Doomfist reintroduced Moira
Honour and Glory reintroduced Brig
HLC rework reintroduced Hammond
Ashe is the exception not the rule
worthy rose
was the omnic shaking hands during the UN meeting when they were giving the medals and stuff
was that zen or another omnic
limpid agate
No one important
worthy rose
ik it was retconned but just wondering if it was like a pre established cast
limpid agate
Just some Omnic political figure
peak escarp
he was the default omnic model we see everywhere
fringe blade
I was curious also, off topic, why does the German military rely on a bunch of buff dudes to defend their country?
limpid agate
The image was explained as
fringe blade
Where are the tanks and guns and bombs?
worthy rose
It was different
limpid agate
Still canon, but Jack/Ana/Gabriel are older
worthy rose
basically every country was relying on different methods to fight the omnic crisis
worthy rose
Germany just came up with that one since they couldn't seemingly use their normal stuff they needed foot soldiers
worthy rose
America basically did the captain america thing
peak escarp
@fringe blade they have fighter planes and soldiers with RPGs
limpid agate
They also had foot soldiers with missiles that stood behind the buff dudes with shields
worthy rose
And korea did Pro Mechs seemingly
limpid agate
Because buff dudes with shields are a better protective device than static shields
fringe blade
Why not use actual military equipment
limpid agate
They did
fringe blade
Tanks?
limpid agate
Tanks are slower
Tanks are known for being slow
Crusaders have jet engines and legs
worthy rose
cause bastion units ripped it apart but seemingly the shield technology they got was enough to hold them back long enough to launch attacks
fringe blade
Not a really serious question, but theoretically, if you can attach jet engines to an armor piece and a portable shield, why not do that to a tank
limpid agate
You would need an omnidirectional tread on the tank
Because floating cars werent invented yet
fringe blade
True
limpid agate
Its easier to attach a shield to a big guy
And put 4 gunman behind him
Than to attatch a shield to a 5 man vehicle
fringe blade
I'm also curious, how come the military/government just in general seems kind of behind tech-wise
worthy rose
Do we know how other countries besides Germany, USA, and South Korea handled their stuff? Genuine question cause those three seemingly came up with the most creative way
worthy rose
damn u chuuuuuuu
fringe blade
Like, say, Infiltration. How come a hacker was able to create teleportation and invisibility, whilst the whole force of the Russian army and their spies haven't gotten that kind of technology?
ornate wigeon
No idea what is happening in here 😂
limpid agate
That's just Volskaya's personal guard
worthy rose
Sombra stole that from Winston's chronal harness thing for tracer and repurposed it
limpid agate
Volskaya is Russian Volkswagen
She is not a technology company
She makes vehicles
fringe blade
We never ever really hear anything about the government generally, I dont think so anyway
Its more about individual organazations/groups
limpid agate
When out of war time, Volskaya makes cars
worthy rose
Russia doesn't have spies that we know of anyway
they do have grav guns on their mechs/tanks
limpid agate
^
Sombra's teleportation is also
Stolen Chronal Accelerator tech
Which was attempted first by Overwatch for military purposes
And deemed a failure
Which explains why no army uses time travel esque teleportation
worthy rose
I thought the chronal harness was meant for Tracer and tracer only as a way to bind her to the present
worthy rose
i didn't know there was an attempt at it before for military purposes
limpid agate
Because she is the only one who crashed the Slipstream
!!loreVideo
Watch her Origin story
... If the bot will load
worthy rose
I did, sorry your wording of it made me think they were trying to make it before the tracer incident
iron plume
!!loreshorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
limpid agate
SHorts fuck
Thanks
They were trying to make it before the Tracer incident
Thats what caused the Tracer incidentW
Watch her video
worthy rose
it really does like annoy me a bit that the tracer origin story isn't on the main overwatch thing
limpid agate
Same
peak escarp
the chronal accelerator is a reverse engineered teleportation matrix
fringe blade
In the short about the murder of the Omnic Pope (sorry, dont remember the name) was Tracer wearing her Overwatch uniform?
Or was she just in casual clothing
worthy rose
Winston Invented it for her so i'm not seeing the part where they were attempting to make it before the tracer incident
i am watching the origin story
She was wearing her base outfit I guess
no idea why she chose the orange suit and the guns
limpid agate
Mondatta is the name
And no
Cadet was her Overwatch outfit
Until some time just before the Fall
Where everyone seemed to wear normal gear (IE: Doomfist Anime)
fringe blade
Because Overwatch was illegal at that point, right?
limpid agate
Not yet
limpid agate
Reaper might have already fallen by that time
If him and Doomfist were to be so well acquanted
worthy rose
i'd really just like to know his motivation for doing so cause i still don't get it
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes Roadhog
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/Roadhog#story
fringe blade
I thought it was like a wasteland of sorts?
worthy rose
Just Junkertown is all kinds of messed up since that's where the omnium was
iron plume
the omnium in the outback was blown up
limpid agate
Just the outback
iron plume
just read the link
peak escarp
the omnium just went nuclear
worthy rose
Whatever happened to all the Australium?
iron plume
uh
fringe blade
the link doesn't even open, btw
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
worthy rose
but just chicago
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
the link doesn't actually work
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/roadhog#story
fringe blade
wtf
iron plume
this one does
iron plume
yes
we also have the lucioball stadium in sydney
the stadium itself is questionably canon but it shows the city is fine
fringe blade
This is offtopic, but how was Mercy's healing of Genji connected to his dragons
iron plume
it isn't
peak escarp
it isn't
peak escarp
Mercy is a surgeon, not a cybernetics expert
worthy rose
yea but i'd think she would be the one saying what needs to be done, being OW's head medical person at the time
fringe blade
How messed up was Genji's body, anyway? His face seemed really broken/messed up in the short?
peak escarp
he is missing 1 arm and both legs below the knees
fringe blade
But how does that affect his face
His skin looked really pale with like tons of scars
valid shell
Multiple lacerations?
fringe blade
and his nose was bent at a weird angle
worthy rose
he got fucked hard fam
hanzo wasn't kidding around, probably beat him silly before inflicting the more serious injuries
genji I'm assuming was refusing to fight back
I say that only cause Hanzo seemed to have no pernament injuries that we saw
peak escarp
we haven't seen much of Genji's face
and Reflections showed less damage than in Dragons
compared to
you can't see it clearly
maybe they changed their minds about how scared he is
maybe the artist for Reflections just forgot the scars (like they forgot Hog's belly tattoo)
iron plume
he got a visit from mercy in the meantime
but fr yes I wouldn't rely on art from reflections for anything
peak escarp
when possible I use official lineart as the "official" appearance of the heroes
but we don't have that for him without his mask on
most of the in-game models are off model anyway
fringe blade
Which is more trustworthy lorewise: comics or shorts
peak escarp
for visuals, the shorts
iron plume
all official material is trustworthy storywise
peak escarp
but for content and story they're equally trustworthy
cunning ledge