her null sector is or 14
#lore-discussion
wraith zealot
we cant really know where the blade entered in his body
we know its abdomen but
it might have gone way deeper
hitting vital organs
so we cant fully say he would hve survived
reef thicket
yes thats the skin i was talking about
and that i want to get
and well the blades impact should've prob been slowed by it having to puncture through the crusader armour
unless its apperantly a hot knife through butter lmao
wraith zealot
it seemslike plasma to me
timid veldt
what is blackwatch?
worthy rose
Overwatch's secret Black Ops division headed by Gabriel Reyes, Reaper before he became Reaper.
It's members that we know of, included Moira, McCree, Reaper, and Genji. There were other members but they haven't has as much relevant stuff about them
timid veldt
oh ok
timid veldt
No was wondering what it was
regal coyote
@worthy rose also the pilot we got a namedrop from i think
worthy rose
yea but she doesn't have much about her besides being blackwatch pilot
regal coyote
andi dont think moira is important enough to be counted twice
maybe you should include genji instead
also my point is that blackwatch probably include mroe support personel, and maybe other agents too
we know there is some kind of operation doctine, so that means it is bigger than a few elite
worthy rose
mb that was an accident
We know there are a lot of members but the only ones really shown to use are the ones from retribution. The other retribution members included from the comic are just the office workers. I'm naming the ones we know the most about. Yea there's a bureaucracy there but we don't know much about it and most of the other members haven't been shown to us so that's who i'm naming
near robin
Wait who is brigs dad
Torb right
because someone I was playing with last night said rein
worthy rose
Torb is brig's dad
Rein is her GodFather
@near robin
She just hangs with Rein a bit more and helps him do his thing
near robin
Ok
wraith zealot
isnt gerard used to be part of blackwatch before he died
iron plume
He worked with Blackwatch on Antonio but we're not told he's part of it
wraith zealot
ı wonder what made gerard so special that
talon had to send multipe assasination attempts for him
and even go further enough to use his on wife on him
iron plume
He was OW's best agent and investigator working on bringing down Talon
wraith zealot
while there are people like jack morrison , ana amari, gabriel reyes
iron plume
they can handle good soldiers, but Gerard threatened to uncover them
iron plume
yes
wraith zealot
ı would hve thought they would focus him rather than gerard at that point
worthy rose
Yes and no
wraith zealot
since gerard might be info person they have but reyes isnt backing down from pulling the trigger
iron plume
Retribution wouldn't have happened if not for Gerard's investigation
they were underground
Antonio was killed but OW didn't know where the others were
they knew about some of them but not in depth
wraith zealot
u sure
iron plume
Gerard would be the person to drag them out
iron plume
they know their targets but not where or how to strike
worthy rose
Yes gabriel murdered a leader but they were under the assumption that overwatch wouldnt do illegal means or cross lines they themselves wouldnt cross
iron plume
that too
worthy rose
They genuinely didn’t
It isnt me even thinking this. The guy reaper led went on a tiny monologue in front of him telling him basically he can’t be touched
McCree too was like shocked cause he wasnt expecting reaper to kill the guy
I think his name was antonio btw but im not 100% on that
twilit nacelleBOT
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peak escarp
Antonio was the guy leading the team to take down Talon - of course that would paint a huge target on his back
reef thicket
if the or14's blade is plasma
wouldnt what i said come true
wouldnt the blade have just cauterized the wound
peak escarp
it looked like heated metal
reef thicket
1000 degree knife 
👌
peak escarp
but maybe not hot enough to cauterize
reef thicket
jk but yeah
eh
it has to be pretty hot to glow orange / red
unless its just colouring
peak escarp
could be
fast spade
Its chroma guys ironic laughing
worthy rose
@reef thicket I suppose it was some energy blade only used by or14s
boreal hare
soilder 76 is lesbian
iron plume
hilarious and original alert
wraith zealot
Even if it stops bleeding it doesnt change the fact it might hve hurt vital organs the size of that thing could do a lot
worn solar
Why didn’t Widow kill Tracer when she had the chance?
peak escarp
she tried to
worn solar
Was she more focused on getting out alive?
peak escarp
but also she wasn't sent to kill Tracer - once she achieved her objective, there was no reason to stay and keep fighting
worn solar
Yeah, but Tracer is a key enemy of Talon
peak escarp
key enemy?
I'd say Winston is a key enemy, since he's rebuilding Overwatch
or Jack/Ana
Tracer is a nobody compared to them
dire timber
at the time, Tracer was just a retired agent
so, she was just a nuisance, not a high-priority target
worthy rose
Would Winston be a key enemy? Given the outlook of everything rn
From Talon's perspective, they're being hit by Seemingly only Soldier, Ana, Winston, and Tracer. Winston did restart overwatch that's true but it's nowhere near as threatening to talon as it once was. Currently the only members that we know that Talon would probably know about is Winston and Tracer. Not as much of a powerhouse as it once was. If anything they're probably focusing attention onto soldier and Ana since Reaper, a leader of Talon, would want to make them priority targets since they're actively going against them and stopping their plans. I'm still not sure how Winston and Tracer do things or how they even found reaper and widow at the museum
peak escarp
Overwatch is more of a potential threat than a current threat
worthy rose
uhh yeah, they seriously have got to do some fund-raisers
frosty shell
Admittedly killing Tracer would be useful to eliminate a key witness
worthy rose
But killing tracer, the Overwatch mascot, would probably generate the wrong kind of publicity
limpid agate
They will never kill off Tracer
valid shell
Or Emily, regardless of it being a common softbrain "muh hero motivation" idea.
wraith zealot
Killing mandata was the objective there if only an omnic who tryed to keep the peace dies it causes issues
But an ex OW agent also dying
Would mke both parties sad
And could cause them to band up
Ofcourse its likely that widow only did what he was send to do. She isnt a commander or decision maker. She is a assasin .
So she wont kill anyone else if job is done n she can leave
kindred oyster
I agree but what if widow stops getting brainwash in a mission and she joins overwatch
weary turtle
The fans might be pushing the story towards that but i personally dont see it happening any time soon besides that would be "a disturbance in the force" so to say
Putting talon as the underdog by removing one of their best units
wraith zealot
also that doesnt fit OW style. overwatch might look like one of those everything going to be nice and happily ever after from art style and not having much blood shown but story wise its bit darker than good guys turning good and beating bad guys. atleast in my opinion. best they can do for widow at this point in my opinion is she running away or ending it herself to give her a good ending. she joining overwatch feels too much of a forced good considering she killed gerard, shot ana , killed multiple OW agents, attacked n killed mandatta n almost tracer also tryed to kill kids in museum n winston. She is very far from forgiveness let alone joining
worthy rose
In fairness, there are a few hints of a part Amélie still in there.
Widow occasionally sighs "Gérard". And even left a rose on his grave during the Reflections comic
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
fresh hare
steady socket
lel
weary turtle
I think that thats just blizzard pleasing the fandom and her just missing the times when she could enjoy things other then murder
And i completely agree with Dr. Goulash
worthy rose
Most likely they are... If she were to have a decent ending, it would definitely be turning the gun towards Talon, possibly dying in the process. Redeeming herself 
I doubt blatant suicide is something Blizzard would have a hero do.
wraith zealot
It would mke a nice tragic end for her tho
Not being able to deal with what she has done during her mind controlled times
Loss of her husband
I probably read too many tragic endings i suppose
weary turtle
I dont think theyll do that either 
fast spade
Why do you all think she’ll die
weary turtle
Compelling storyarc reasons
Not blizzards style and we since we barely get any developement there's no time for that
And if that were to happen it would propably happen just before ow2 but they will just keep milking this game for many years to come
tawny patio
No one could redeem themselves because that’d require pushing the story to a sense of end game thereby limiting the game’s time left and limiting the cash flow 👀
iron plume
that's a flawed argument
for one, the end of the story won't drive the end of the game, it'd be the other way around
and for two, developments and arcs don't necessarily push towards an actual end
wraith zealot
well gameplay and story isnt that connected in overwatch so ending the story doesnt mean game ends
worthy rose
There is a very dumb youtube channel that would love to argue otherwisew
wraith zealot
the game wont get a sequel untill esports section of it dies
worthy rose
I don't even think that. A sequal isn't gonna come. Like Doc said this is a game that just keeps getting updated. To scrap all the work and games and effort they made for the original Overwatch would be madness
wraith zealot
its not scraping the work
its taking it to next level
at some point overwatch is going to be outdated game with less n less players
that will be the time devs will make a choice either leave the game
or go for second game of the francies
worthy rose
no it is scraping the work. If you put essentially the same heroes with a couple new additions with all new maps and none of the old ones, that'll be "Overwatch 2" which is dumb cause they'll be adding those characters to the roster and or maps to the already existing one.
I highly highly doubt your point about being out dated
League of legends has been out for like a decade
and it's still immensely popular despite it's linear playstyle, absolute shit lore that no one really understands
peak escarp
I can see them doing spinoff games, maybe that story-based game everyone dreams of
but OG Overwatch doesn't need a sequel to keep going
worthy rose
The only reason, and I mean the literal only reason, Overwatch isn't as popular as other games is because it isn't f2p like LoL or CS:GO
iron plume
an actual "Overwatch 2" will only happen once Overwatch's engine is beyond salvation
wraith zealot
that ı can go with
iron plume
which will be a decade+ at the least
peak escarp
I think eventually they'd just revamp the engine and relaunch the game
kinda like they did with Heroes of the Storm 2.0
iron plume
when you do it may as well be a new one
peak escarp
but not change the name or anything
iron plume
there's a bunch of decisions they said they'd rather not have made
a sequel will allow them to change that
a "revamp" won't
it's a long way off either way
limpid agate
The other thing is all the cosmetics thusfar and investment
A direct sequel does have an impact in that and people's willingness to spend if it doesn't carry over
As soon as you make an Overwatch 2 that resets the cosmetic pool, people will start holding onto their money because they now expect their skins to become obsolete again for Overwatch 3
.
white cobalt
It wouldnt be fair if they do a OW sequel, with all the investment also OWL
limpid agate
The only possibility I see is 9th gen consoles
Which is why WoW and League never got WoW 2 or League 2
Dota 2 is just the have changing developers and becoming a full game instead of just a mod. And was way after League so they couldn't just rebrand as Dota
dense estuary
MMOs rarely get successful sequels because people have a lot invested into characters, I doubt a WoW2 will ever exist
but if they wanted to expand the lore deeply, Would be some kind of single player game set in the past of Overwatch for the next gen console era and of course on PC
that is something set during active operations for Overwatch
Omnic Crisis seems like a good place
cunning ledge
spinoffs like hearthstone is to wow seem a lot more likely to me
maybe even a seperate game with the same engine and gameplay that's just a bunch of co op missions
people have been asking for something like that for years
reef thicket
no
wow 2 will never exist
wow was a thing that was made from warcraft 1 / 2 / 3 so that they could tell the story in a big open game
instead of making warcraft 4 5 6 etc
and every few years wow gets a new expac progressing the main story of the game, how long thats gonna last though who knows
recently we defeated the legion, now we're moving onto the old gods / void.. After that? theres not many major threats still lurking meaning wow MIGHT come to an end
OW2 would be a shit idea.. Just do what they did with wow and make expansions for it
regal coyote
eventually they will call it 2.0 but that is probably in a few years after some engine and graphics update, not exactly ow2
worthy rose
they will call an update as "2.0 update"
granite gazelle
Thats looks really cool
blissful lantern
Reinhardt: my barrier is the biggest and bestest. German precision!
Symmetra: Hold my beer
worthy rose
lol
worn solar
Reminds me more of dalaran
cunning ledge
I like that hover car design
fast spade
I like that the stupid Ticket seller houses are missing
Its just dumb
Sim is so op on this map cause you have more cover on point then the enemy has when not on point
worn solar
Why did Hammond need to secretly build and attach a mech to Winston's ship to escape the moon?
Couldn't he just ask Winston if he could come along?
worthy rose
No idea; hammond also didnt really build a mech until like he was at junkertown
Like he built the pod
But i dont think the language capability and all that guns and weaponry were there
worn solar
Maybe Hammond’s just a fierce individualist
He wants to depend on others as little as possible
wraith zealot
ı believe hammond was planning to escape before winston
since he went missing at some point
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limpid agate
Hammond would frequently escape into different parts of the moon base. Though they'd always find him and return him to his cell, they never figured out the true purpose behind his nightly escapades.
reef thicket
just imagine
a hamster the size of hammond scurrying across the floor
idk if i'd be concered confused or straight up fucking terrified
but anyways i think we could've guessed a few things he might've been trying to do
escape, building things like his hook
planning other things who knows
i want more lore from hammond tbf, probably my most favourite overwatch character atm
next to moira
regal coyote
well i imagine the language ai was there with his pod
he was seen in front of some programming screen
probably the pod is just soemthing with minimal functions, like some directional jets and the hook, and AI on top of life support and maybe a sunflower seed holder
legs and guns and such are later addon from junkertown
i suppose he did contact someone at least in a somewhat hamster form, before he get his pod worked on officially in junkertown
and we do know who that soemone is, he let hammond use his garage
worn solar
Imagine if Blizzard released a Fallout-style single player RPG in Junkertown
reef thicket
Would be awesome
worthy rose
Yeah
weary turtle
So did hammond predict the ape revolution?
Since he needed a reason for the attatched escape pod to leave
Conspiracy theory: Hammond caused the revolution to get to earth 😱
(My conspiracies are never true but atleast give food for tought 😅 )
valid shell
You mean famine for thought.
Hammond had nothing to do with the uprising.
And it explicitly didn't reach earth.
wraith zealot
he means hammond caused it so he can reach earth
not the uprising
but ı dont think hammond caused it
wraith zealot
ı think he saw that it might happen and decided to play safe
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
Well Hammond is fiercely smart so it is possible
pseudo stratus
do we know if moira is actually the one that caused REaper to turn to how he is or if it was Morrison?
iron plume
we know Moira started the process because he has a semblance of his powers in Retribution
his full ghoulification may have been an inevitable effect of that, or caused by the explosion; we don't know
weary turtle
And his previous supersoldier ehancements might have effected it too
And do we even know how much of the ghoulification was intended?
worthy rose
Not really. Reaper refers to it as his curse, so it can't have been entirely intentional.
I think it's fairly certain that Morrison had nothing to do with Reyes' condition
crisp kayak
Moira is very interesting
worthy rose
crisp kayak
It's true but I just posted that so I didn't need to scroll down to find my name
steep epoch
¨
valid shell
@steep epoch ?
pseudo stratus
@worthy rose when he and Anna have a face off he says something aobut it being reyes responsible and how they will leave Anna to die as well or smth. That's why i asked.
frosty shell
Hammond is clearly intelligent but I still don't know if he's as intelligent as an adult human
glacial fable
He made a huge ball with a grapling hook
And attached it to winstons pod
I think hes smarter than the average human
dull shale
valid shell
@dull shale Have you heard him?
valid shell
Mm.
wheat sand
.
lean prawn
Hammond is much smarter than average human, but his vocal chords can form the sounds necessary for human speech
Hammond can't talk because that's stupid
he's a hamster lmao
but he can build and pilot a space age mech
limpid agate
No he cant
His mech is not space age
His mech is a ball made from scrap and spaceship parts
Its movement is reliant on legs, gravity, and him running inside it like a Hamster ball
That aint space age
Hes brilliant, but he's not a rocket scientist
His escape plan was attatch an airtight pod to someone who knows how to build a rocket off the moon
Who knows if he even built that
worthy rose
I'm still blurry on the details but did winston know hammond came along?
limpid agate
No
gusty comet
So, I was wondering what is the REAL story behind mercy and her wand, I mean did she find that thing or what???
gusty comet
for me it is
limpid agate
I dont care
limpid agate
Mercy works in the field of nanobiotics. She made the tech for her Caduceus Staff.
A wand is 1 handed
A staff is 2 handed
gusty comet
correct
oh.. ok thx
And Torbjorn? Is Brigitte realy his daugter
And why did he join Overwatch?
limpid agate
Brig is his daughter
gusty comet
but how?!?!?!?!|
limpid agate
He first joined Overwatch when it was created 30 years ago because he felt guilt for designing the Omnics
I'm not going to explain how procreation works
gusty comet
nice
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes
twilit nacelleBOT
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gusty comet
thx
maiden coral
So Ig Soldier is gay, which made my parents mad. Lol. They won't let me buy Lucio-Ohs because they're mad at Overwatch.
peak escarp
did they know Overwatch already had a gay hero?
jagged inlet
yeah isn't tracer also?
worthy rose
Tracer and Soldier are the only gay characters yes
tawny patio
Soldier being gay raises so many questions for me
turbid bobcat
Such as?
tawny patio
In particular why does it matter enough to mention
peak escarp
it was barely mentioned
turbid bobcat
It explains his penchant for grouping up
tawny patio
He’s a part of the older OW cast and shows zero romantic interests in any cast...why is it a thing worth thinking of?
peak escarp
Jack was looking at pictures, Ana flipped to a different picture and made a comment
why is anything ever mentioned? It's worldbuilding and character development
iron plume
it doesn't have to be "worth thinking of"
Jack and Ana were talking about their past and relationships
Jack brought his up
peak escarp
it was used to show that he always put his duty above having a relationship or being happy
turbid bobcat
Maybe tactical visor was a device that spotted the tightest asses, but he fooled the govt into using it to acquire targets
iron plume
No shitposting please
turbid bobcat
Not a shit post, I don't see the reason for taking this so seriously
peak escarp
Ana and Gabe made it work (they were able to balance having a family and being Overwatch), but Jack couldn't
iron plume
it absolutely is a shitpost and you know it
so cut it out
peak escarp
@turbid bobcat it's being taken seriously because this is the place for serious lore discussion. If you want to meme, go to General
turbid bobcat
This makes me sad, but ok
worthy rose
@limpid agate about what you said earlier, torbjorn didn’t design the omnics, they were made by the Omnica corporation. Torbjorn did however create the Bastion Units.
iron plume
already gone lol
frosty shell
Torbjörn also helped design the Titans
limpid agate
@worthy rose They were made by Omnica.
Torbjorn designed a singificant number of them
The bastions, titans, and idinas were all omnics he played a role in the development of
The three we have seen the most of during the crisis
But they were physically constructed by Omnica's Omniums
Which by extention, is physically made by Omnica
But that's not relevant at all to the point I was making, which was he felt guilt for designing the Omnics
void cairn
Who’s brigs mom???
peak escarp
Ingrid Lindholm
solemn pike
Oh so its all torbs fault
void cairn
Yup
worthy rose
i mean does anyone really intend to create a world war level event?
limpid agate
Not all
He often argued it was a bad idea because they were not to be trusted and would just rise up
People ignored him
maiden coral
@peak escarp You mean Tracer? No. Last year my dad purchased me an Overwatch graphic novel though, and uh.
peak escarp
lol
maiden coral
lmao rip.
serene glade
I've been hearing rumors of this but is Soldier 76 gay?
worthy rose
Yes he is gay
In the Ana short story they elaborate on him having a former boyfriend of sorts
And this isnt even up for debate cause he is gay
weary turtle
Before anyone misunderstands he meant to say "cause the lead writer confirmed it."
serene glade
Anything happen that was ground breaking?
limpid agate
Reunion is the biggest thing
Bastet was a new form of lore, but now that its time in the spotlight has faded
Its fairly average
peak escarp
Chu confirmed that the name of the officer that the French police cars are calling for is Bilodeau
regal coyote
so we get an npc officer name
good, more npc, i like that
reason whey we like bastet so much is more cause of "the lack of lore"
but yeah the content is quite average.
peak escarp
made me think of Alexandre Bilodeau, but I don't think that's it
regal coyote
the whole thing is "oh he got an ex lover" whih is no big deal except for people who is in the stone age still surprised he prefers guys (I guess in a way it makes sense with the whole number one dad tag on him)
as for lore, the only implication is 1) Jack is pretty alone, and ow was his only thing 2) ana-jack is gonna to think about meeting up with new overwatch in a way, 3) they made some contact with paharah, though it is one way
the only sad thing is that the No1 dad we know to love does not have offspring.
I guess there is a slim slim chance a vincent's son/daughter joing new overwatch and jack took him under his wing. would be sweet for jack to finally be a dad (not daddy, but dad, as in father)
peak escarp
very unlikely
weary copper
Is the Paris map going to be connected to widow in any way?
peak escarp
doesn't look like it
plain orchid
You can’t discuss something that doesn’t exist Kappa
iron plume
I don't remember us discussing your intelligence
limpid agate
Let's not
mild storm
the lore is interesting, is this a comic by any chance?
worthy rose
There are many comics @mild storm
Well by many I mean like 11-13
but it's all disjointed
mild storm
@worthy rose k, I'll look for them
nice if there was some story mode to inform/remind us about the lore, only have a few events.
worthy rose
@mild storm There's archives event but that happens only once a year and we don't really get lore from the other events sad to say
that one is coming in like two or so months i believe
iron plume
!!loreComics
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iron plume
here’s a list of all of them @mild storm
mild storm
thank you all!
peak escarp
Archives is in April
but we'll get some small lore with the next hero release in March, and Jeff said comics are coming Soon™, so who knows
vast mango
That retribution comic is amazing
peak escarp
the last panel of the comic is my favourite
the way the shadows on Reyes's face look like Reaper's mask
lovely foreshadowing
vast mango
Uprising comic is obviously post retribution and death of Antonio
granite gazelle
Mods
worn solar
What do we know about Pharah's personality so far
peak escarp
she takes her job seriously
and has only recently learned to put her people first and the mission second
worn solar
She has about the same level of emotion as Preston Garvey
worn solar
She also looks up to Reinhardt
peak escarp
she looks up to all the old Overwatch crew
worn solar
Except for Torbjorn
slow goblet
She seems to be friends with Brigitte...
peak escarp
they might have met (it's likely since they're both the children of Overwatch members), but we haven't seen it happen
they would probably be friends if they met
regal coyote
seeing torby have a thng for bringing his family-friends to meet ow members i am not surprised brig met with the olw ow crew
and as we know it pharah did grew up with th ow crew...
so it is rather likely they have met.
though it is not proven.
but at least they do know of each other existance
dry tree
lost minnow
Torb's wife
regal coyote
there is no denying whose belly she climb's out so we are 100% sure she is torby's wife's daughter.
I mean if torby were to sleep around he would be in quite a bit of trouble right? :3
also there is that report from aftermath of operation white dome, where rein saved torby.
and as such torby allows rein to name torby's then unborn child.
So yeah rein named brig, he could technically have tried for a name like "twilight sparkle"
tired pine
oh wow
fallen bramble
tired pine
We should make a patrition to change her name to that
gritty sparrow
@worn solar wait why except for torbjorn?
regal coyote
that her dad
gritty sparrow
wasn't Pharah they were talking about 🤔
tired pine
No, we were talking about Brigette
worn solar
She’s pretty sarcastic toward him because she thinks his tech isn’t as advanced as Helix’s
@gritty sparrow
peak escarp
Pharah just doesn't like the aesthetics of Torbjorn's work
Pharah: Hey, Torbjörn, check out my new suit. Mark VI, state of the art.
Torbjörn: *clears throat* Jump jets, concussion rockets. Umm... Well, yes it's looking pretty good.
Torbjorn: You know Fareeha, I could take a look at fixing up your suit if you'd like.
Pharah: And mess it up with a bunch of scrap metal bolted on the side? No thanks. I like it the way it is.
they do have friendly interactions, she just doesn't want him messing up her suit (which she seems pretty proud of)
iron plume
Pharah is the girl who buys a sleek Porsche and Torb is the guy coming up to her with "needs more v-tec yo"
peak escarp
it makes sense that she would be proud of Helix
iron plume
oh definitely
peak escarp
Overwatch didn't want her, but Helix did
iron plume
it's not just out of vanity
peak escarp
but she doesn't resent Overwatch for not picking her
she might resent her mother, if she found out Ana was the reason Overwatch never called her up
she hasn't responded to Ana's letters - she's probably upset that Ana didn't tell her sooner
regal coyote
well, when she is a helix team leader
there is no good overwatch to speak of really
also, i am sure pharah's view on torby tech is more ons tyle than on her not trusting torby tech
torby things tend to be a bit more robust and clunky, and pharah may prefer something more sleak and agile
formal steppe
is the LUNA sticker on D.va's black cat skin somehow correlated with the Cabaret Luna posters all over the new map?
frosty shell
I assume that she assumes that Ana didn't want her to get into Overwatch
peak escarp
@formal steppe it could be, but I don't really see it
formal steppe
alright
regal coyote
@formal steppe not sure, maybe i guess
but unlikely unless Hana have a colab show with Luna robot?
limpid agate
Both being cat related is interesting
Is there another relation between the name Luna and cats?
peak escarp
there was a black cat in Sailor Moon named Luna
granite gazelle
Bruh
worthy rose
is orisa taller than reinhardt
lean prawn
she's taller when he isn't in the crusader armor
worthy rose
because of that helmet spike 😃
dawn halo
Do you have access to a console?
Get $60 and buy the game, and delete this conversation because it isn't suppost to be here.
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
tyvm
worn solar
Why did Zarya suddenly enlist in the military after returning home to defend her village from the omnics?
There was nothing stopping her from going back to athletics
worthy rose
Because the omnics didn't stop attacking
iron plume
yeah it wasn’t a one time thing
she’s still there fighting
although she did get the celebrity/public motivator status so maybe not as much on the frontlines
worthy rose
the second omnic crisis seems to be only starting
iron plume
well that and being Volskaya’s personal assistant
dawn halo
And don't forget Searching, Zarya had to leave Russia to search for Sombra for a while.
peak escarp
we don't know how long before "present day" Zarya enlisted
or how long ago Junkrat hired Roadhog
worthy rose
We do know that Junkrat did the hiring relatively recently
First because they look pretty similar to their present-day selves
peak escarp
true
worthy rose
Second because they really can't go on a world-wide crime spree for too long before someone calls in an army or something
Third ||I forgot the third, sorry||
peak escarp
lol
granite gazelle
What
peak escarp
you could count the fact that Junkrat doesnt know/remember Roadhog's real name as a third
lean prawn
qt @granite gazelle
granite gazelle
Qt?
worthy rose
Definitely true
granite gazelle
Im confused now
worthy rose
If they'd been together for a long time Junk would've found out one way or another
limpid agate
or how long ago Junkrat hired Roadhog
A little over a year
IIRC their heist was a year long
Correct me if I'm mistaken
worthy rose
I really have no idea, did you find that anywhere in particular?
limpid agate
I feel like it came with Junkertown
peak escarp
that makes sense
but there's also no way of telling how long passed between Wasted Land and the beginning of The Plan
not enough context clues
limpid agate
The start implies it was relatively short
peak escarp
Junk does mention "the beatdown at the bar", but that could be something else
limpid agate
Wasted Land is 100% the beatdown at the bar
worthy rose
oh
I was looking forward to a junk vs. mccree drunken barfight
with sombra and hog betting in the corner
peak escarp
why would McCree be involved?
worthy rose
that bar in Dorado, if I remember correctly
worthy rose
ah well
peak escarp
robbing Banco de Dorado is during their heist spree
regal coyote
also it seems their spree did go really far
i mean all the way from the americas to europe
also, they are able to bring their motorbike them them
as for not remembering real name this could be normal
i mean i cant remember real names of some friends
especiall true if you never really use the said real name ever
granite gazelle
Mad fake
regal coyote
when is the last time your friend cal you by the full real name anyways?
granite gazelle
Often i have no nick name
regal coyote
(I for one would slap anyone doing it. )
granite gazelle
I guess not last name tho
regal coyote
exactly my point
rarely do you get called by the full name
maybe first name, or a version of it but thats about right
granite gazelle
Wait this is l-d im out 🚪
regal coyote
my point is, junkrat/roadhog are criminals to say the least, it would be natural and benefitual to call each other by a sort of streetname.
formal steppe
even Junkrat calls himself Junkrat
woven knot
I can't imagine someone in game calling him jamison tho
cunning ledge
@formal steppe on oasis, “Jamison Fawkes, Minister of Engineering... Has a certain ring to it”
Calls himself by his full name
cunning ledge
Oh yeah I’m sure he uses junkrat more
But at least once he refers to himself by his full name
cunning ledge
Not sure if roadhog ever calls himself mako though
peak escarp
even if he doesn't call Roadhog by his name, it would still make sense to ask at some point
I call all my online friends by their usernames, but I do still know their real first names
Junkrat: Ahh. Remember that time we stole the crown jewels? All hail King Jamison Fawkes the First! And, ehm, Duke Roadhog? What is your name anyways?
Roadhog: Mako.
peak escarp
I was quoting lines from the game
regal coyote
i have offline friends for years, but we still call each o0ther by nicknames/streetnames
there are sime we call each other by their common callsign they would use in games also, or we make one
as they say a callsign/streetname is soemthing that is given to you
peak escarp
but you still know their real names, don't you?
regal coyote
that is the thing, yes i should ahve that info, and i remember he told me
but i kinda forgot what it is with some of them
since really i never use them and it had been years
yes i am old
like for example, this one guy i call him "burgerking" for like more than a decade, how would you remember his name, when even phone entry you would say burgerking (dude)
green hare
Honestly lore discussion is like, the only thing I joined here for
peak escarp
same
green hare
shame it's pretty inactive
peak escarp
patience pays off
worthy rose
New hero out in like basically a month so hopefully that hero brings some good stuff with them
dense estuary
It does slow down at times in here and I am always disappointed when I see 100+ unread and it’s just a shitposter that leaked in.
I would love to see a Symmetra cinematic and deep dive into Vishkar more.
dawn halo
@dense estuary I agree with you, we need a deeper dive into Vishkar and learn more destructive things they do across the world besides India and Brazil.
And I hope Talon destroys Utopaea later on, because Doomfist and Symmetra have some bad blood from a voice line between them, and Vishkar are assholes to people who aren't Indians
iron plume
Doomfist and Symm don't have bad blood, they have wildly different worldviews
and Vishkar have never been shown to discriminate on nationality
they're "assholes" to everyone who's not them and doesn't buy into their system
dense estuary
They are maybe Lawful-Evil. Their methods are not “for the evulz “ but they do what they feel is required to achieve the “greater good “
Even if it’s morally questionable
peak escarp
I'd call that Lawful Neutral
they aren't doing it to cause harm, but they aren't avoiding causing harm either
dense estuary
And it’s easy to see why a country would let them in. An HL city can probably be up in a matter of weeks. For a place that was hit hard by the war that can seem very promising
peak escarp
they promise order (at any cost)
dawn knot
yeah lawful evil is
doing bad things with a moral code
most likely being aware that they are bad things
limpid agate
Like Doomfist.
dawn knot
perhaps
though
i'm not sure he has very many morals
more so he has an honour code
or maybe not even that
he just likes his status
so maybe a neutral evil for doomfist
just a bad person
regal coyote
on sym and doomfist, for now they dont know each other really. then again remember sym still in the blind about her being just a toy under|| sanjay||'s control. Imagine she finding out.
but sym herself is mroe lawful neutral, to even lawful good.
peak escarp
I want to see Symm learn the truth about Sanjay and see her struggle with her loyalty to Vishkar vs. her own morals
maybe Vishkar doesn't even know
regal coyote
i think most of vishkar would not know
sure there are both good and bad people in vishkar but the vast majority of them, msot if not all, will not be associated with talon
so yeah it is msotly a sanjay thing
peak escarp
higher than Symm, obviously
regal coyote
he is at least reporting to top decision making personel
peak escarp
but we don't know any more than that
regal coyote
you dont send a small time nobody to lead a deal with a whole city
regal coyote
consider this, if the project goew well there and he is the leading party on vishkar side on that project, then he is at least a dicision director or soemthing
at least for a branch or lcoation.
and to be able to head over a top world famous agent he has to be quite higher rank lso
peak escarp
he could be a regional manager
regal coyote
you dont let some 2 bit manager top someone like sym
peak escarp
not the top of the totem pole, but pretty far up
regal coyote
regional drector most likely, regional manager at least
yes
likely he is able to attend board meetings, or at least listen on most of it
makes sense for what he is too.
and befitting for his mission on basically making deals as vishkar for an entire metropolis
think about it, as the business deal is sealed, he is at least maintaining control of that city, if not more, which is HUGE amount of power esp considering how vishkar run things
kinda like a sort of modernized caste system it seems.
peak escarp
assuming he gets to control Rio and isn't just setting it up for someone else to take over
regal coyote
true
though if he is the guy for setting up locations for other people, it would mean he would be a negotiation and esponage specialist then
not sure if it is even more scary
a vishkar blackwatch leader basically
peak escarp
I don't think Vishkar approved of his methods
regal coyote
i think vishkar as a whole do not care much of it
vishkar is not evil, but as a whole it is more of a type of end justify the means thing
if in the end people ahve a better-isque orderly life vishkar is happy, on top of profits
and while people complain about vishkar controlling and lack of freedom, it DOES seem area udner vishkar control and peopl eare at least well fed and taken care of (unless we are told otherwise)
so vishkar is not like some giant global sweatshop but actually more like one of those megacorps in cyberpunk
tawny patio
rewinding to alignments
I’d call them both chaotic good?
They both find that the world will only progress through their idea, which implies a good alignment, as it isn’t self serving or apathetic
But chaotic bc it is in an unorthodox and potentially harmful manner
worthy rose
An argument could be made that they are perfectly willing to break laws when it suits them
Which would put them firmly in neutral if not in chaotic
peak escarp
"Lawful" isn't necessarily about following laws
iron plume
That's not what lawful is by the D&D definition
but then by D&D definition "evil" is literally kicking puppies for shits and giggles so idk if we should stick to that
peak escarp
it's more about having a code or following a set of rules, which can be the law but can also be a set of rules from a guild or something similar
tranquil sun
what is Winston's relationship with Hammond?
iron plume
They were on amicable terms on the colony but winston doesn't know hammond is on earth
worthy rose
Where did Winston land on earth? I'm asking cause rocket science; I'd imagine hauling Hammond would have created a drag of some sort which would have probably drawn him off course or so
wraith zealot
ı believe he landed near eco point: Gibralta
or somewhere near that
and hammond dispatched from his shuttle at somepoint
and landed on australia
raw comet
Fr y’all think hank hill is the true leader of talon?
iron plume
No shitposting please
dire timber
@worthy rose Winston landed in Gibraltar, Hammond landed in Junkertown
worthy rose
wouldn't hammond's entire pod like drag or some sort or affect him flying from the moon? Like i'm totally down to believe winston knows rocket science and all that but wouldn't his calculations be thrown off by a heavy pod on his back or something? just a genuine thought i had
dire timber
don't think so, honestly
frosty shell
it's possible Winston's thrust wouldn't work out
Though Winston probably would've made adjustments on the fly
regal coyote
yes it would affect it
probably the drag is less of a problem since it i s in space, and hammond detatch quite early really
but yeah it would ahve thrown winston's calculation off by a bit, but likely he made adjustment, and he did survive
limpid agate
A reminder that good doesnt mean hero and evil doesnt mean villain
regal coyote
what do you mean?
limpid agate
Sae Nijiima (Persona 5, Lawful Good) is an example of Lawful Good
hazy oyster
Dungeons and dragons?
limpid agate
Thats where thr alignment comes from yes
People often try assigning them to other characters
peak escarp
D&D alignments don't work well for characters not made for that system
D&D is played in a world where Good and Evil are tangible forces that indisputably exist
hazy oyster
Know
peak escarp
most other settings are like the real world where good and evil are subjective
hazy oyster
I play dnd
rain arrow
Woooo dnd talk
hazy oyster
Half-orc barbarian here
dawn knot
why is dnd exist?
regal coyote
but dnd alignment is just as good a simple systema s any
especially seeing ow is soemwhat superhero themed, it does apply in a reasonable way
peak escarp
it's also a difficult system to use because it's open to interpretation - different tables will define Evil differently
many groups just get rid of alignment because it's too complicated
peak escarp
so in terms of Overwatch, I don't think it's a good system to use for describing a hero's motivations
regal coyote
and her intensionc ant be evil, so it is good or neutral
there is some variation but at least it is reasonable to describe things that way as a generalization
limpid agate
A villain can be lawful good. A hero can be chaotic evil.
regal coyote
i mean, even dnd and its stock stories, characters dont completely fall into one definition, it is more on a "in general" thing
i have to disagree though on that
a CE "hero" would be called an anti-hero instead of a hero
and in your example, rather than hero/villian, it sounds mroe like protag/antag
regal coyote
definitely in legion
regal coyote
it is like a red lantern hero
oh fuk illidan would be a perfect red lantern type of personality.
but yeah, to in that case the definition of ehro is more like protagonist
limpid agate
A lawful good villain is a conqueror who genuinely loves and cares fkr his People
regal coyote
was thinking of that falcon lord from Bazerk
limpid agate
Or a divine holy diety with far too strict standards on what is permissible
Thou shalt not kill under any circumstances
Or you get pirged
regal coyote
sounds like a conquest paladin that goes around burning all evil in his wake
makes sense
in fact it would make for a wonderful antag
limber lynx
I think widow is lesbian
atomic plaza
But like she was brainwashed. You never know what else they could’ve done
wraith zealot
ı dont think turning or lesbian would give her any more effectiveness in combat so dont see talon doing that
for all we know she doesnt feel any emotion
or anything (not sure on that)
dawn knot
i've seen so many
random like
posts here
about the sexuality of widowmaker
and it's like
idk man yall can be shnast sometimes
dire timber
@atomic plaza no shitposting
atomic plaza
Is that shitposting? Im gonna be honest idk what that is
wraith zealot
at this point we are not really discussing lore
so ım gonna try to change the subject
where oasis is actually located?
atomic plaza
Id imagine Egypt?
worthy rose
She is not lesbian and for all tense and purposes straight.
@wraith zealot it’s located in either iran or iraq
I get the two confused but it definitely is in one of those countries
slow goblet
Southern Iraq
worthy rose
They made a scientific paradise and i wanna see more of it
slow goblet
A cinematic set in Oasis would be nice.
worthy rose
I wanna see what is essentially a city state governed by science looks like
plain orchid
What is the Paris map lore
peak escarp
there isn't much
you can see the Junkers' mugshots in the police station
also Oasis uses the Iraq flag
worthy rose
Seemingly theyre like at the stage of black civil rights movement for omnics @plain orchid
I assume most of europe isn’t too pro omnic
Given kings row
granite gazelle
Australia too
worthy rose
Australia is interesting
granite gazelle
That place is a war zone
worthy rose
The government tried to make amends with omnics and most of australia is fine just junkertown is a warzone
Saying all of Australia is a mess is like saying all of america is a mess because we have one bad city
granite gazelle
I c i c
worthy rose
Junkertown seems to be an area of its own and has it’s own viewpoint of omnics that are either indifference of negatives given that junkertown is populated by anti omnic people
The only places i would consider just very anti omnic
Are junkertown and seemingly like a good chunk of europe like the UK, Paris, and Russia
Every other place has otherwise made peace with them and are pretty neutral
vast mango
Is Paris gonna be tied to widow in any way? Idc if it’s nothing big but it would be nice if it was confirmed that it’s where widow was from or lived
peak escarp
there aren't any references to her there that I've seen
worthy rose
From me personally exploring the map there doesnt seem to be anything tied to widow
The map is very very very widow/sniper friendly tho
wraith zealot
there is likely going to be a voice line or something from her
but apart from that
maybe an event like nano cola
or bastet
lean prawn
a hero is usually decent in their home town
peak escarp
Widowmaker's home map is Chateau
peak escarp
so coming up we have:
Feb 19 - end of LNY
Feb 20-28 - hero 30 teasers
early March - hero 30 PTR
mid March - hero 30 live release
1st week Apr - Archives teases
2nd week Apr - Archives starts
peak escarp
roughly
worthy rose
isn't the rotation on tank now?
if i'm correct it's been support->dps->tank
give us a new main healer please
we need it
if it's main healer it's echo
no it's not
jeff and the blizz team have clarified that echo is not hero 30
oof
peak escarp
we get one of each class per year, but there's no fixed rotation
worthy rose
idc if it's echo or not we just desperately need new main healers
mercy and ana not enough?
peak escarp
2018 was support tank damage
2017 was tank damage support
worthy rose
no they're really not; given the current state of the game, Mercy is just awful unless paired up with an Ashe, Pharah, or hanzo and Ana is the only good one just by nature of how much more her kit does and Moira provides no utility for the team and does only two things, heals and damages which like not that good
uh
moira can still do damage to squishys if person playing has mechanical competence
and yeah the goats thing
Also supports are at 6, tanks are at 7 and dps are at 16. The game needs a new healer; I'm talking about tiers above plat. Some heroes only work for a certain context. Even in goat's she's not run anymore; She's replaced by either Ana or Zen
at literally every professional level of play
yeah
if we get main healer for hero 30 do you think 31 is a reaper counter?
ik thinking ahead but 🤷
also hypothetically speaking 31 could be either tank or dps
peak escarp
I'm ready for them to go back to teasing heroes before release
worthy rose
sombra arg flashbacks
reaper will probably not get a counter just by virtue of how easily counterable he is already with the given hero pool; The reaper buff does really little to nothing
peak escarp
Ashe came out of nowhere
worthy rose
at higher tiers i mean
at lower tier it destroys ppl and ppl get boosted egos
at gold down reaper is broken
he is down there but that's not really a hero needed
that's just them bringing life steal down from 50 to say like
35
I just think the game desperately needs a new main healer or just a reworked version of moira and mercy cause mercy plays very little impact anymore given how she now has her own tiny movement that demands a rework and moira is just a professional thing where you could build some type of utility to her for the team instead of raw healing and damage. or a new main healer to distract from those two but ideally for me it would be all three
I think it was Jeff that hinted they had new tanks and supports in the works cause those were the most vocally demanded by the fans
cause theres too many dps
personally i think something like
Support, tank, support, dps, tank, support, tank, tank, dps and then back to a normal dps, tank, support would be fine
who's been hinted at lore wise as a next hero?
supposedly they have about i believe 3-5 heroes already done and just just playtesting and tweaking them and getting them ready for release
So for like
game symmetry
I'd suspect Talon would be getting a new tank since Michel Chu said they created Moira for the purpose of story telling like the bad guys needed a new healer
hm
so a Talon Tank is probably in the works
given that they made a talon healer is what i mean
who that is, no idea
there hasn't been any hints at talon tanks
there weren't any very many hints at moira or ashe either; they just came about
hm
Characters come about based on a couple elements
- What the story needs
- What the game needs
- And what the game developers thinks looks cool or what they want to implement.
Moira was a story need
Brig was a game need cause at higher tiers, Dive reigned supreme
Ashe came about cause the game developers thought she was a cool design and wanted her in also her dynamite worked as like a small goats counter so bit of a mix there
peak escarp
Moira was hinted at
she was seen in the background in Masquerade a few months before she was released
and she was hinted at by Reaper needing someone to help him become Reaper
Ashe was the only hero who was truly out of nowhere
worthy rose
I thought that second one was people initially speculating mercy was secretly evil or not as good as she appeared; and from what I understand, the only hint to her character was a voice line from reaper when you played him on Oasis where he said he was visiting an old friend and yea from the masquerade
peak escarp
the Mercy idea was all the fans - the lore never supported her being evil/making Reaper
worthy rose
yea but that speculation was based on an old voice line wasn't it?
Mercy: What happened to you
Reaper: You tell me doc
Which I totally think is fair for audiences to think she had a hand in his experimentation (given that Moira didn't exist at the time and this was the only info they were given)
peak escarp
those lines are still in the game
they don't mean what people think they mean
why would she ask what happened if she was the one responsible?
worthy rose
yea but is it unreasonable to assume there was a connection when that was all at the time given to an audience?
Cause it was an accident? Or something she did had an unintended side effect that she wasn't aware of due to overwatch disbanding and seemingly no one was aware of reaper's power set at the time besides possible him and moira? I'm not saying or claiming that anything I said was true, just giving plausible arguments as to why people at the time would suspect
given that moira wasn't yet released to the audience to speculate
peak escarp
most people who say she did it think she did it intentionally, so asking a question like that wouldn't make sense
also there was a lot of stretching going on to make the pieces fit - an accident? really?
Mercy isn't so careless that she would accidentally turn someone into a wraith monster, or that she wouldn't confirm someone was dead before giving up on them
what little we know about her character tells us that she is a competent doctor and takes her job seriously
it also hinges on resurrection being part of the lore, which it isn't
worthy rose
I mean some things in medical science are literally founded by accident. Penicillin was founded by accident and most science fiction things happen by accident. The hulk, spiderman, etc... Tracer's powers came about by accident via the slipstream and that was presumably made by a professional team of engineers who worked in Overwatch. So for a Optimistic take on the future with Sci-fi elements, I wouldn't rule out accidents
peak escarp
sorry, that came out as a bit of a rant
brisk harbor
I don’t think there’s enough evidence to support mercy making reaper the way he is
worthy rose
Given this, before the introduction of Moira, I'd have given the argument some weight; NOW we know moira did it but before that it was still up in the air
brisk harbor
All we had was the voiceline though
peak escarp
even with Moira, there's still people who try to work Mercy into it
worthy rose
yea, it was one of the few things that adds just a bit of lore or hints at stuff in the game
peak escarp
or worse, deny Moira's involvement entirely
worthy rose
not saying it's good but people work with what they got
and those people are wrong and should be ignored cause
this is pretty telling
brisk harbor
I just didn’t think it was a really good theory
peak escarp
you would think
worthy rose
idk how much more ppl want other than holding up a sign that says "I did it"
peak escarp
but I've had people straight up tell me that isn't proof enough
worthy rose
then just ignore them, doc i swear u save urself a lot of time if u just left people to their ignorance after they deny what is essentially canon fact; also nico, I'm not saying it was a good theory but at the time it was all the fans had to work with
peak escarp
it was someone here actually
worthy rose
like no one was going to blame torb or rein for the accident, but the leading medical doctor who reyes was in close proximity and had access to with what could be taken as a hostile voice line from him to her, i dont think it was bad given that moira, once again didn't exist
brisk harbor
I kinda want some more talon characters in the game
peak escarp
I'd like to see more of Talon too
limpid agate
Let's see what they do with Sanjay/Max down the line
As well as if Hamid/Casino have any ties
valid shell
Wouldn't Casino be more likely connected to Max?
fringe blade
Why is Hero 30 so early
valid shell
@fringe blade What?
fringe blade
Why is it being released like mid-march
or about so
that is so soon
Just feels really soon
For some reason
worthy rose
The heroes released in march are teased earlier in february and made available to play late feb or early march then hit live mid march
@fringe blade \
peak escarp
I think Paris will go live when the event ends
so yeah, that makes sense
I forgot there were 2 more weeks in Feb
I thought the event was ending this week
teal meadow
what if zenyatta is an omnic that lost his legs after getting assaulted by humans becayse he is an omnic?
iron plume
...we know he has legs
teal meadow
yeah, but he don't use them
iron plume
because he can levitate
we know he has control of them
weary turtle
@teal meadow if you search the usage of the word iris on this server youll find some
Or just zenyatta/zen
teal meadow
don't say the i word on me, pls
hazy oyster
Pass into the iris
regal coyote
we have him kicking people in game as melee in a way
and i am sure anyone with control of legs can kick, and we dont event need a canon proof for that.
SO yeah he has lages and can use it, zen.
not sure if the floating is leg relat though.
(yes it means hammond can kick people too, but i doubt it would do anything but a tickle)
hazy oyster
Well Hammond is a genetically modified hamster
So the result might be harder than a tickle
worthy rose
Cute wittle hamster who’s a good boy
pastel stump
mystic summit
if i wanted to create some OW trivia, where would i find a complete compendium of OW lore?
there's the wiki but not sure if that has everything
mystic summit
ty
wraith zealot
did u made that?
worthy rose
I still think it's bs she can't translocate out of there
in game i mean, in comics i really don't mind
fringe blade
I think its BS that lorewise, someone can control gravity
worthy rose
same with tracer and recall
worthy rose
ehh
science grows at an exponential rate, i'm down to believe that like 60 or so years down the line people have managed to modify something that can create a psuedo black hole
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But I mean, come on
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cause if that was an actual black hole everyone dead
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Yea
if it was a real black hole
the world would collapse on it self
lol
what ability/weapon in lore do you think makes the least sense
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i try not to think about it
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like once i know too much then i see nothing but flaws
and that's not a way to have a good time
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Yea
Btw
How do you think the new tank/healer fits into the lineup?
Is it a talon member
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Tank for talon, healer could literally be anything
I say talon tank just cause the mentality aspect of the game
and the game in general needs a new main healer
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Echo could literally be anything we don't know how she works
all we know is she's not hero 30
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She doesn't look like a tank to me, personally
All tanks are really big
like model-wise
She appears to be the same shape/thinner than mcree
she might be like brig
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i mean yea i agree she probably not a tank
but it's a rather questionable thing with her
like idk how to view her cause McCree stated that "They want me, but really... They need you"
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That feels like more of a healing thing to me
Like they need medical assistance
or something
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so i'm guessing either a massive support network is formed with her or she a real real real big weapon
like from a lore perspective
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Yea
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cause we can gleam potential hero stuff from lore
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Let's think about it, what are they missing in the Overwatch lineup
what might change things drastically
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a healer who actually wants to be there and heal
cause mercy made her position clear that she probably doesn't want to rejoin overwatch and if does join it will be after saying no and is very reluctant
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Yea
You know what I always wanted?
A traitor of some sort
Like someone who betrays Overwatch/Talon
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Moira?
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you mean reaper?
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I mean, kind of
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there's plenty of Talon grunts who are ex-Blackwatch
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Moira and Reaper are (I wouldn't call them hard traitors) but they did leave the cause and are now with the enemy
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I was thinking that Echo might be like hacked/forced to join Talon or something
Since she's an omnic, right
Or something of the sort
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that wouldn't make her a traitor though
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Tho I'm very very very sure that reaper wasn't part of talon until post fall of overwatch
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Not a traitor, I mean like
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that would put her in the same category as Widowmaker
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moira is another matter