I am curious
#lore-discussion
fringe blade
dire timber
anyhow, I'm pretty sure that the map is a teaser for some story involving omnic rebels, Cabaret Luna, the omnic singer
how importent their roles will be, I don't know
haughty thorn
Omnic crisis 2 
dire timber
don't
valid shell
Let's make Lucio relevant before we look to replacing him.
fringe blade
I don't know, I find the idea of music used as a weapon strange enough with lucio
haughty thorn
It's the future
fringe blade
Not strange, but like meh
white cobalt
Music was used as inspiring in the past
fringe blade
Would you rather shoot sound or a gun to hurt someone
white cobalt
in wars
dire timber
I don't think Lucio's sound blaster is meant to be lethal
brazen flare
I was thinking more a singing omnic bard charecter that uses a desert egle style hand cannon and can buff the whole team with amrour and other things
a mixed support attacker
fringe blade
We are getting a tank as next hero
dire timber
anyhow, the omnic rebels, the omnic singer, Cabaret Luna, and that mansion
they'll be involved in some kind of story
dire timber
March
brazen flare
its probably that then
dire timber
Paris could be the setting for the next Archives event nonetheless
that Talon event I mentioned, maybe
dire timber
I don't think the Archives format allows for that
but there might be some informative voice lines
I expect the Talon event to be Doomfist/Sombra/Widowmaker/Moira
how would such a team play on Paris?
white cobalt
placeholders? https://i.imgur.com/NsI1LA1.png
worthy rose
Holy smokes I’m so sad I’m gonna be in hospital when all the new maps lore and shit drop
haughty thorn
Ok
worthy rose
What have we found out? Any lore ties?
formal burrow
yeah. Don't like the map.
dire timber
@worthy rose there's something being set up
with Cabaret Luna, a band of omnic rebels, an omnic singer, and some kind of mansion
frosty shell
So what does the state of Omnic rights seem to be in Paris?
white cobalt
The more i see the map, i feel is more Maximilen than Widow
dire timber
it seems to be very, uh... polarized
frosty shell
Are there just a few rebels or is it all-out conflict like on King's Row?
formal burrow
Lots of Omnic Rights graffiti
dire timber
I think this is a good template for what omnic rights are in the US as well, tbh
but that's just me spitballing
formal burrow
I want the "gangster" omnic with a snapback as the next hero lol
white cobalt
Yeah, is a polarized map, citizen and rich people
worthy rose
Is it just me or are you guys getting Rialto/Archives vibes?
I doubt it’s related to a new hero but I’m sure it will relate to the new event
Possibly more lore on widow and Gerard?
reef thicket
tbf
i was thinking the same
a bit
since rialto came out with an archives
and paris feels really similar to rialto imo
although
as a hammond main
this map doesn't look too great for me
also the last point looks really uh.. different from other 2 cps
actually no it kindof feels like temple of anubis second point
restive flower
has anyone found anything fun lore-wise in the new map
quasi fern
lunar holly
yo mama
limpid agate
@quasi fern Just Widow.
peak escarp
I'm happy there's Junk and Hog in the police station
that is one of the places they hit during their global heist spree
that's the first thing I thought of when I saw it was Paris
peak escarp
Twitter
apparently some people thought she studied engineering in Canada because she wore a pinky ring in Reflections
limpid agate
Good to know
valid shell
Aw.
Here I thought they actually included a factoid about Canada other than "lol hockey".
worthy rose
I think we'll soon have something related to widow
but I think that new image has to do something with Valentine's day
maybe widow killed Gerald at Valentine's day
or we get some filler material about an character like lynx 17
limpid agate
Or is the release date
peak escarp
which image?
worthy rose
I think that with a new map, we'll get new lore too
regal coyote
lynx17 is a wimp though, maybe other characters
more on ejypt or archaeology.
but tbh soemthing on the french front is nice also
maybe a detective type of french character?
wraith zealot
1 part of me wants gerard back
other me says that will ruin the death concept in the game
iron plume
it will
which is why he should stay dead
Could be nice to see some more of ihm back then though
worthy rose
what if Gerald feigns death just like ana did
fallen bramble
Isnt that kinda difficult since he got murdered?
wraith zealot
he died in his sleep
killed by his own wife
ı dont think he has much option to fake himself
if there is a body which there is considering we werent told otherwise ı think widow would know she killed the right person
weary turtle
Have you found any map-specific voicelines on ptr?
worthy rose
maybe he got a tip from someone
but it's just a theory
After playing a few games on the new map, I doubt an archives event will occur on it since it is so small, but it could take place in a different part of Paris, if you get what I mean.
Its a complete clusterfuck of a map, point A is dive, point B is turtle
maybe they redesign the map for archives
like eichenwalde for junkenstein
iron plume
a "redesign" will not add new areas if the map is too small
both of the existing archives maps are redesigns
worthy rose
I am just really confused and I doubt the archives will be on this map
iron plume
It doesn't have to be massive in the first place though
worthy rose
I wonder what they could do for archives though
reef thicket
i hope something with
Torbjorn Bastion Rein and Brig
since they are like the only other overwatch members super close together / know eachother
other than winston and tracer but i doubt they'd make a 2 person event
floral flint
there can be an archive event located in Dorado?
i mean think about it Los muertos must have caused some huge issue there that got the attention of overwatch
limpid agate
I doubt it
Archives events are supposed to be key events that had a major impact
So Tracer's first mission, and the start of Gabriel's downfall.
I'd imagine next would be something like the Cairo incident, or something from Talon's perspective against OW
Los Muertos is too small time
worthy rose
Did we get retribution first or the rialto map first?
peak escarp
I still want to see Overwatch taking down the Deadlock Gang
that would make a good Archives event
Retribution came first, then Rialto a month later
past panther
Do you guys think the Paris is a mini-event like Bastet was or do you think it'll be part of a bigger event like Archives?
The Twitter post does say "soon" but still.
peak escarp
I think Paris is our January map
the one we were waiting on (and Jewvia was disappointed we weren't getting)
granite gazelle
past panther
Is there any character that we know of called Ophelia in the story?
Since the mansion is called "Chateau Ophelia"
peak escarp
no
past panther
It looks like there's a mansion by that name in Paris but it looks nothing like the one in PTR
white cobalt
I think the same as Six, this is our January map
Blizzworld was revealed in November, hits January 23
worthy rose
Hmm when is archives again?
white cobalt
Retribution was in April
worthy rose
I'm trying to figure out if we're gonna get another new map or if we're going to do a reskin of a map for the event
white cobalt
Im betting more on a reskin
worthy rose
What was our january map from last year?
peak escarp
first year they reskinned King's Row
last year was Blizzard World
and it was on the PTR for 3 months, which is why they didn't want to reveal a map at Blizzcon this time
a map that sits on PTR forever gets boring and overshadowed by everything else that comes out at Blizzcon
past panther
Hope Paris won't have that fate
worthy rose
I hope to see paris on OWL
the different potential ways to tackle the map is fascinating to me
peak escarp
other maps spend 2-3 weeks on PTR
so Paris should go live around the 2nd week of Feb
white cobalt
Maybe not Phase 1 OWL
till next
But well, that's not lore
So Junkrat/Hog were on Paris during their heist?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
they were world wide
limpid agate
Paris should have a Valentine's release
peak escarp
worthy rose
that's something that should very much be discussed and i hope someone at blizzcon does ask chu how tf they travelled the world
limpid agate
Is that on the map
peak escarp
yes
limpid agate
Just outside the Cabaret Luna?
peak escarp
it's near point A
next to the police station
someone was saying this poster might be a reference to the release date
it says "Every Friday evening at 9pm"
limpid agate
I am confused a bit
The Cabaret is called Cabaret Luna, right?
Is the Omnic singer also named Luna?
past panther
The PTR notes has a paragraph on Paris.
past panther
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn solar
Ashe technically owns BOB
past panther
It could be that it just happens to share the same name as the main diva of the place
peak escarp
she's probably just their star singer
so they named her after the club
(could be a stage name)
peak escarp
it's very reminiscent of segregation
worthy rose
are they cool with eachother or are things like tense and segregated cause obviously they're not like kings row bad
iron plume
better than King's Row, worse than Hollywood
past panther
The map has a lot of resistance sprays/posters around it
On the first half at least
peak escarp
the omnic rights sprays share a lot of imagery with the black power movement
iron plume
The graffiti and such give me a "big civil rights act either recently happened or coming soon" vibe
worthy rose
In a part of the map
we see like omnics and stuff with pictures taken or changing
are those models or mug shots cause I genuinely can't tell
past panther
Mug shots, it's a police station
peak escarp
mug shots
past panther
They're TVs or such changing the pictures
The police building also has at least 3 floors but only one is actually usable, apparently?
peak escarp
electronic wanted posters
past panther
There was an elevator in the room and it showed that the elevator was at the 3rd floor
Adding moving elements on tight spots could take a bit long, though...
dire timber
did we get any developments?
I do expect some lore to drop in Paris
with the map details being the setup
also, @peak escarp
remember my Archives event speculation?
Talon event with Doomfist/Sombra/Widowmaker/Moira?
peak escarp
yeah, what about it?
dire timber
how do you think such a team would play in Paris?
and there's a question of whether they go away from the mansion, or towards it
I think towards it is more likely
peak escarp
assuming this map has anything to do with Archives
dire timber
since away from it would be too similar to Retribution
yeah, I know
that's speculation also
I just think that out of the all the maps we have right now, Paris is now the most likely
iron plume
a moment I thought of is that if it's paris, then 3/3 archives maps will be in europe
peak escarp
or they could do what they did last year and make a new map for the event, then give us that map afterward
iron plume
it's not particularly important but I think they might want to explore somewhere else
peak escarp
Overwatch was based in Europe, so it makes sense that most of their activity would be there
iron plume
they're a global organization
dire timber
I don't think whether or not the map is set in Europe is going be a factor
limpid agate
I dunno, with what we saw of Rialto
I can see them making an interior segment of Anubis
Where the big door is in defender spawn
peak escarp
that would be cool
dire timber
btw, what's up with Overwatch suddenly using more real life names and locations?
like Petra, Rialto, or Paris?
meanwhile King's Row is not exactly named "London"
regal coyote
well, petra is something ancient with near no population so it is cool
but paris and rialto is kinda strange
i guess there is a "paris incident"
limpid agate
Also Busan and Ayutthaya
The last fake names were all original locations
Blizzard World and Junkertown
Which haven't been built yet
Rather than just renaming existing things like Hanamura
prisma wren
iron plume
Paris
worthy rose
Totally excited for the lore behind the Paris map, and also excited for what characters it'll bring.
But mainly for the lore.
dire timber
@limpid agate I still don't get why the airport says King's Row instead of London
like
it's not like there's an airport there
or maybe they built another airport nearby, London-King's Row or whatever
it'd be kinda weird though
peak escarp
it also says Hanamura
timid eagle
They might be left overs from Project Titan.
dire timber
um, what?
dawn knot
just placeholders to show off the maps imo
timid eagle
Back when they were going with much more fantastic interpretations of national landmarks, but not 100% based off of said city.
valid shell
@pearl turret Delet pls.
worthy rose
Plz do
limpid agate
@timid eagle They arent
weary turtle
And even if the organisation is global the spesific peple wont (atleast usually) travel the world
So if we would get something not in europe we would get something like genji and something
What could we get/definetly not get?
worthy rose
? what
there could be a lot of overwatch missions
Archives is supposedly filled with missions we haven't seen
We could get the original strike team fighting the omnics, white dome, other countires omniums, Anubis, etc...
there's a lot
peak escarp
so far, Archives have always been:
- an Overwatch mission
- 4 playable heroes
- set in the past
any of those things may change or they may not
but that's what we've had so far
peak escarp
and since Junkenstein was also made for 4 players, I think that will stay consistant
honest urchin
I like hanzo
somber token
I hope archives will be set around widow's backstory
Like for instance, it's a single player game mode
You are widow with the talon skin ofc
And you are to kill your husband and escape but you'll have to fight overwatch npc
And you can play it with different difficulties
If we get an archives on malw we've already had I'm gonna be bummed.
We already had ctf and junkenstien, and snow ball fight.
I would like something new
past panther
Don't think it'd be fair for those who don't necessarily enjoy playing Widow if it was Widow-only
peak escarp
she killed Gerard in his sleep
that would be a very boring mission
"mash X to smother"
worthy rose
then press f to pay respects
worthy rose
f
peak escarp
I would like to see more info about Widowmaker's history, but I don't think we'll get to play any of it
tranquil sun
was the action in Reunion any good?
worthy rose
I would like to see more animations for more characters like zarya, zenyatta and lucio
That would be dope
wraith zealot
we know overwatch save her when she was kidnapped (or atleast talon made them think that) so could be a mission like that
u try to save widowmaker before she was widow
regal coyote
nope
unless there is a retcon which is unlikely on this point
ow does not know who widow is until really late
hence ana is probably the first to see what is under the mask, but even she does not "live" to tell the tale
dawn knot
can hammond produce milk?
tawny patio
Zenyatta animations are a weird thing imo where like
What would it be about?
There’s nothing like Mei that I could think of that’d be heavy emotional
No major worldbuilding like Sym comics
No cool factor like D.Va
mental crypt
@dawn knot no he is male
dire timber
@peak escarp if I'm right about the Talon event, we might get some lore in the voice lines
like we did in Retribution
we learned some stuff about Genji and the Shimada Clan
or about Talon leadership
spiral timber
limpid agate
I'd imagine he's a bigger one than Zen
Especially since he is in the council of leaders
worthy rose
He still seems like the type to sit in a throne and tell his minions to kill things
limpid agate
I still see him as omnic Robert De Niro
valid shell
@worthy rose Does Dr. Mei-Ling Zhou look like a combatant?
peak escarp
she is a kind person
the fandom has made her out to be some kind of monster, but that has never been shown in the lore
peak escarp
sometimes it can be hard to tell the canon from the fanon
wraith zealot
its like D.Va's
its controlled by him not on its own
he just hve a voice translator on it
valid shell
@fringe blade It has primitive AI.
short scaffold
Mech with AI afaik
dawn knot
@topaz crest My name is Delta
topaz crest
Hiya there Delta
dawn knot
yes, it's me, Delta
anyways, I wonder how reinhardt's hammer remains stable
despite there being so much room for it to roll around
and swing in his direction
also, what activates the thrust? there being no visible connection between the suit and weapon
you'd think it was little more than plate armour
but perhaps theres a bit of thought control going on?
topaz crest
Maybe his suit and his body are more connected, like Halo’s suits?
Giving him more strength
Just an idea
dawn knot
hm, fair enough, but doesn't explain how his hammer activates when he wants it to
a button would seem too clunky
topaz crest
Because what’s his name that was friends with Rien died but his suit is still there, and I’m assuming so is his body inside of it
dawn knot
though it's not too far off
topaz crest
Maybe
wraith zealot
his armor probably something like ıron mans armor
for thrust
maybe its activated with certain movement
like some ıpods used to have that shake to skip song feature ı believe
could be that if you swing it in a certain speed quickly it turns it on
but ım just speculating right now
dawn knot
of course, all we can do is speculate about certain things
tawny patio
Well
I mean the equipment itself is electronic
It wouldn’t be hard to imagine it could pick up on such things
The issue would be making sure all the crusaders knew to not do said thing when they didn’t want the suit to do the thing
pliant sparrow
I feel like Maximilian would be a turret placer
worthy rose
I've heard about McCree regretting the recruitment of moira
and Moira answered that it was the best mistake he ever could make
peak escarp
McCree: Always thought hiring you was a mistake.
Moira: The best mistake one could ever make.
reef thicket
a: no
no more
turret placers
torbs turret having more hp than an average dps
and feels like it can do the same amount of damage as any other dps just by going PEW PEW PEW PEW
limpid agate
Let's not define bad things as autistic
limpid agate
I don't care.
reef thicket
willow copper
lulw
tranquil sun
is Luna's singing original or are they recordings from a past singer?
limpid agate
Probably original
The 5 seconds of pop music in Rise and Shine has a full version that hasnt been released
And that's also all original
oblique nebula
winston gave berf to hammond
pseudo stratus
@limpid agate First time I see a moderator doing their job. 👌 👌 👌 👌
pliant sparrow
Do you think Paris will link into hero 30?
weary turtle
I think/hope we'll atleast get something from such a notable city
pliant sparrow
Yeah
I feel like the amount of Omnics could be pointing to an inbox character but I could easily be wrong
waxen spade
I think archives will have Paris
arctic cloud
who else is hyped for archives and hero 30
dawn knot
everyone, i'd imagine
limpid agate
@pliant sparrow Not in the slightest, no.
I dont think hero 30 or Archives are remotely related to Paris
modern anchor
Archives are ok, but an offline story mode campaign also be nice.
fringe blade
Honestly, I think that Hero 30 will be released during the summer-ish?
maybe Blizzcon
But Blizzcon is so far away
Maybe E3?
Do Blizzard reveal anything during E3?
iron plume
30 will almost definitely be March
they're not changing their schedule yet
and no, Blizzard doesn't do E3
peak escarp
Blizzard has Blizzcon, so they don't do E3
we get heroes in March, July and November
untold timber
Blizzard uses gamescom too
i do wish the schedule was like once every 3 months.
1st month-Event, 2nd-Map, 3rd- hero
that'd give us 4 heroes per year
iron plume
they're not going to rush making heroes
iron plume
and right now we're getting alternating events and permanent additions every month
peak escarp
January - Map
February - Event
March - Hero
April - Event
May - Event
June - Map
July - Hero
August - Event
September - Map
October - Event
November - Hero
December - Event
3 heroes and 3 maps per year is plenty
iron plume
Flip May and June
peak escarp
May is Anniversary
iron plume
Anniversary starts in May but most of it is in June
limpid agate
Rialto was early because it was already done
iron plume
and the May map is before it
iron plume
it's still before the event
peak escarp
We got Horizon (and the Horizon remake) in June
limpid agate
Not always
1 was after
1 was before
And Rialto feels morel ike the exception
Thanks to Retribution
hollow warren
lol
peak escarp
also Lunar New Year started in January this year and in 2016
I just count it as a February event because we already had something for January
worthy rose
what about them taking 1 year to fix this gronked game
and not pumping out maps and champs
and events
iron plume
by which you mean?
sly lotus
I wonder if we'll get a Zarya or Zen short
dawn knot
she's too old she's ;literally gonna die soon
in the comics she's 43
which in the time zone overwatch is played out
is super old because people didn't live that long back then
i mean sure we could get one short, but i think shes really gonna be killed off soon
die of old age etc
dawn knot
still, thats middle aged back then
worthy rose
And they've probably extended the human lifespan
worthy rose
About what?
limpid agate
Don't waste people's time.
She is not 43
She is not going to die of old age.
If you are serious, I recommend you read the hero bios on the website.
!!loreheroes
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
worthy rose
who is the dense child who thinks zarya finna die soon?
limpid agate
If you are trolling, shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
Even if she was 43 she would have a good 30 years of effective heroeing
limpid agate
Continuing to argue this dumb point of her being 40 will result in removal.
dawn knot
so does anyone actually know who reinhardt is?
have the team found out already or do they only see him with the mask
iron plume
they know
he wears a helmet but it's the same helmet he had when he was in Overwatch
and he doesn't shy away from his identity
valid shell
He pretty explicitly had a problem with helmets early in his career.
worthy rose
He hasn't joined new overwatch yet, although it's heavily implied that he will.
frosty shell
One of the Dragon gang members recognized him too
worthy rose
His armor is pretty iconic in the overwatch world, especially after he became the last Crusader. He was also a founding member of probably the most powerful organization ever. So basically everyone knows who he is.
iron plume
...what
peak escarp
Reinhardt is definitely NOT in Talon
dawn knot
it's like none of you know the actual lore here
i'm leaving for good actually
no use...
peak escarp
you're just making things up
white cobalt
"none of you know the actual lore" 
peak escarp
Reaper is the one who wears a mask and is in Talon, not Reinhardt
can't even get the names right
that was . . . interesting
white cobalt
I think he was legit trolling
peak escarp
hard to tell sometimes
peak escarp
it sounds like he was talking about Reaper but just got the names mixed up
they do both start with R
wraith zealot
no he was pretty much trolling
first he said zarya is 43
and will die since OW is past time
then he said
things like do we know how rein lookslike
that he is in talon
even if he mixed names
we do know look of reaper
dense estuary
lol thinking Rein has connections to Talon, Rein tries to stand for everything Talon is not.
wraith zealot
so he was trying to troll us
or never played the game and just going random guesses
worthy rose
Seems like rein got split between reaper and zarya, reaper got the armor and hammer while zarya got the age
dawn knot
i'm being silly, but i'll stop so as to not be kicked
wraith zealot
you do know shit posting will get you loose access dude
dawn knot
^
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
dull shale
What does Bob stand for
wraith zealot
was that confirmed tho?
worthy rose
Chu has a sense of humor
wraith zealot
ı was curious about what happened to ashe's family
we know she was rich
and they were somekind of business consulting
valid shell
We don't know atm.
wraith zealot
ı dont know if they ever would get into it but it is interesting that her family had her rifle as family heirloom
woven trout
im going to assume the guns seen in the short were added in by ashe?
unless they were for defense of the family
worthy rose
Which short?
peak escarp
she probably got him some upgrades
worthy rose
Ah, bob's guns
peak escarp
pretty recently too, if McCree says they're new
worthy rose
Yes, McCree hadn't seen them before, so they're new
worthy rose
yes
woven trout
so that implies there could have been gunes on him before, just not THAT many
worthy rose
presumably since McCree left to join blackwatch
woven trout
still dont understand the laser sight on his revolver tbh
peak escarp
it's tactical 😛
worthy rose
Well, he never uses the actual sights
peak escarp
like the knife on Talon Sombra
worthy rose
or S76's pistol
worthy rose
I assume that he'd use it for aiming practice
when shooting from the hip, you need some way to predict where the bullet goes
worthy rose
true
peak escarp
probably just to help aim in the dark
worthy rose
wouldn't he use a flashlight then?
wraith zealot
flashlight is too obvious
small red dot
shows where u aiming
and more hidden in stealth mission
woven trout
mcree should really use his robot arm to grip the gun and hsoot so he can just hydrallically compensate and get steady aim
wraith zealot
u dont want to miss that important one shot
woven trout
but i guess that woulkd be to pratical
peak escarp
maybe he trusts his flesh arm for aiming better
woven trout
plus blackwatch mcree still ahs both his arms if im not mistaken
peak escarp
or he's right handed
wraith zealot
FtH?
woven trout
fan the hammer
woven trout
tbf to mcree, the speed of fire he gets is startling close to surpassing irl guys who do speed loading and such
peak escarp
his interaction with Genji implies that it took McCree a long time to adjust to having a mechanical arm
woven trout
its difficulkt otonce you break a certain time barrier
peak escarp
so it definitely isn't his dominant hand
woven trout
i'd imagien so
as multiple worlds have shown us, losing an arm is not easy
nor is it extremely pratical to fix or restore
cough star wars cough
but regardless
woven trout
id imagien genji would be pulling osme comparisons if mcree ever cpononically copmplained about the arm
wraith zealot
but after he became cyborg he bested him
peak escarp
Genji had much longer to adapt
wraith zealot
true
woven trout
its also implied if im not wrogn that hanzo was the better swordsman ofthe two
peak escarp
Genji was cyberized roughly 9 years before Recall
woven trout
but after the genjicide he swore of the sword
peak escarp
McCree lost his arm no more than 5 years ago
woven trout
*off
they bneed to show hanzo doing melee combat with the bow more tbh
i wanna see him essentiually do jo forms with a bow
that stuff is cool as hell to watch
(if oyu dont knw what a jo is, imagine a long , thin pole that is swung around with the intent of poking vital pressure points and whackign with precision jpoints and such. Ogood for for medium ranged melle combat. Similar to a pike, buit without a blade)
valid shell
And absolutely useless with a bow.
woven trout
well
adaptaion can occur
im not personally warre of any BOW specific martial arts forms per say
but im surethey exist
valid shell
It's drop your yumi and pull out an appropriate weapon.
Smacking with a bow is an abysmal idea.
peak escarp
especially the yumi, which is usually thin bamboo
or other thin wood
even an English longbow would be a bad choice to smack someone with
valid shell
It's foolish to swing any bow. You're presenting your opponent with a fine cord they can easily cut and render your more effective weapon useless.
Drop your bow and pull out your mace, or ono, or whatever sidearm you have.
quartz fractal
ive belted my friend over the rump with a hunting bow, it really does work
peak escarp
so many people think Ana went MIA when Pharah was a kid
it was only 6 years ago
Pharah is 32
wraith zealot
when did pharah joined helix?
peak escarp
unknown
after Overwatch disbanded at least:
After leaving the army with a commendation for distinguished service, she was offered employment with Helix Security International, a private security firm contracted to defend the artificial intelligence research facility beneath the Giza Plateau. ```I wonder if pharah would be as good of a crack shot witha rifle as her mother
timid eagle
There was a piece of concept art where a young Ana was teaching her daughter to fire a sniper rifle.
woven trout
in the comic where it talks about her origin
waht caliber did she use>?
it wasnt .50, was it?
all iremebr was she said "its so that htey dotn feel a thing when they die"
the one where she hesistates and loses the eye
timid eagle
It was a piece of artwork showcased in the official art book.
This is the highest resolution image I could find of it.
There is also info that McCree had a hand with teaching Pharah how to aim.
peak escarp
where did you get that?
I've only heard that they used to play with toy guns together
peak escarp
those sprays don't mean he taught her how to shoot
she was probably in military training at that point
it's paralleling them both learning to shoot
McCree in Blackwatch, Pharah in the military
timid eagle
The more you know, then. shrug
peak escarp
I didn't even know they went together until recently
it's interesting how Pharah uses proper grip on her gun
while McCree shoots a heavy revolver one-handed
he must have strong arms
wraith zealot
ı believe mccree's gun is higher caliber aswell
peak escarp
big difference in shooting style
wraith zealot
well mccree been using that style since from what we can guess when he was 19
peak escarp
"kinda" hot?
wraith zealot
ı would choose reyes over mccree
peak escarp
wraith zealot
no homo
peak escarp
he's gorgeous
except Hanzo
Hanzo looks like he fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down
woven trout
the double handed postion that the nra will teach you for the revolver is designed to be stable for begineers
once you know how a gun acts and can predict its recoil, and have the necessary strength
a one handed shot isnt honestly stiupid per say
also
pharah is also very nearly resting her thumb on the gas expulsion chamber in the clylinder
she should really be laying the thumbs on top of one another in the back
peak escarp
like I said - it shows the contrast between Pharah being inexperienced with a pistol vs McCree being experienced
worn solar
Yeah, McCree was in the Deadlock gang before being forced to join Overwatch
woven trout
isnt it implied that mcree was doing gang stuff since like 15yrs old?
wraith zealot
ı wonder the relations of jesse and reyes
retribution isnt that clear since jesse just got pissed at him for killing antonio
lean prawn
student/mentor
iron plume
basically that
iron plume
He's pissed off because he treats this as Reyes going against what they stand for
lean prawn
genji was in his angst stage during his blackwatch days
iron plume
Genji didn't talk much before Zenyatta
wraith zealot
friendship of gerard and other leaders
lean prawn
with reaper being all about efficiency, im surprised that his clothing of choice incorporates a cloak
worthy rose
He gotta hide his guns somewhere
His interdimensional portals to the plane of shotguns can't just be out in the open.
tiny prairie
Does anyone have any idea on the next hero based on paris?
peak escarp
probably not related
wraith zealot
she means probably not related to paris
peak escarp
the next hero is probably not related to the Paris map
tiny prairie
why?
iron plume
because there's 29 now
tiny prairie
you know what nvrmind
im just dumb
cause some of my friends said the name of the hero will be hero 30
iron plume
that's not happening
tiny prairie
yeah
pseudo stratus
Anyone know who tf is liao?
pseudo stratus
Dude....liao is female???
iron plume
Liao is in suspended existence after the comic was canceled
but it was supposed to be a woman in that, yes
untold lichen
is that mercy right next to torb?
iron plume
yes
untold lichen
and I'm assuming that's pharah
wraith zealot
is it me or
the woman to the right
seems to hve robot arms
ı could be me seeing the artwork wrong aswell
worthy rose
Likely they are. They look fairly similar to Genji's arms.
It's not rare to see people with robotic prosthetics and/ or augmentations in Overwatch. 
worthy rose
@iron plume I thought that the black woman at the side was adawe
reef thicket
mercy looks adorable in that pic
limpid agate
Could be Adawe. They dont all have to be soldiers
And she was responsible for the organization's formation
But it's probably no one we know
regal coyote
not all of them have to be frontline
we know things like transport pilots are humans with names too and nnot robots
and some of them can be higher ranking support personel
frosty shell
that art isn't that old though
it's from the same time that Mirembe first showed up isn't it?
peak escarp
it's from Ana's origin trailer, so mid 2016
Mirembe looks completely different though
the woman in the Ana photo has dark hair
worthy rose
@peak escarp cool mcree pfp
peak escarp
worthy rose
peak escarp
but yeah - Mirembe is my favourite background character and I want to know everything about her
naive apex
do you guys think that junker queen will be released
iron plume
no we don't
peak escarp
I think she will be, but not soon
and 3 heroes per year is plenty
any more and it'll be hard to keep up with
peak escarp
plus if they released more heroes, they'd have to cut back on something else - we already have at least one major release every month of the year
worthy rose
By major u mean?
peak escarp
events, maps, heroes
we get 6 events, 3 maps, 3 heroes ever year - yes most of the events are recycled, but they do still put effort into the cosmetics
and they may decide to give new game modes for events at some point
worthy rose
Understandable
regal coyote
Mirembe would be nice to be playable
it would shut people up about not having a black woman yet
i mean some sjw jerks are always complaining about it, not realising efi-orisa is technically black woman too
oh well.
but yeah i want Mirembe .
as for hair color, please remember people dye their hair, lots.
so yeah if we go by hair color many mordern females would not exist.
i guess my ex had silver hair once, and so she might be lizard people, by this logic
peak escarp
what are you going on about?
nobody said she wasn't human because she dyed her hair
also Efi is a child (and not playable), and Orisa is an omnic
neither of them is a playable black woman
regal coyote
i was saying that it could be her in that old picture she jsut dyed hair, the facial format is simiar, as far as the quality of similarity on that picture is concerned, and given the history of that picture having small retcon
I would say culturally orisa is kinda a place woman, weird way to say it though, and i guess it does not count since it an omnic.
I do like fi and orisa though, such a cute pair.
and super positive too, in a light hearted and fun way.
limpid agate
Her name is African though
With heroes like Sombra, Widow, and Zarya, its probably dyed.
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cunning ledge
seems useful
dense estuary
in a way I think new heroes are easier to make lore for but a lot harder to make gameplay that does not feel like one of the others reskinned.
fast spade
That is not true
Because you have a hole universe already build
So you have to fit the characters into it
dull raft
why hanzo lunar new year skin beard game weak
worthy rose
yeh
ik from like historic reasons but i just find it funny
like how soldier has a smaller gun in his holster
valid shell
And Roadhog has a shotgun on his back.
And Valkyrie/Sigrun Mercy has three swords and a shield.
And Viking Torbjorn has axes.
It's hardly a new thing.
reef thicket
i like skins like those
adds more flavour to them
makes them more well you know
legendary
nocturne rune
yes but if the skins had special abilities that would be unfair lol
reef thicket
well
i wasnton about thar really
just the fact that some skins have some extra cool things on them
dawn knot
guns connected to skins should be swap able
past panther
Is it ever told how Zarya got her scar?
past panther
Blizz has missed out on telling a tons of lore then
peak escarp
the only ones I can think of are Torbjorn's arm and eye, Reinhardt's eye and Ana's eye . . . all the lost eyes
yeah, they still have lots to tell us
past panther
I guess logical answer would be some evil omnic scarring her but it could be related to her weightlifting career as well
Except her Champion skin doesn't have the scar, hmm
So she probs got it when she was working in Siberia
peak escarp
yeah
past panther
And she got her tattoos later as well, probably, since her weightlifter skins don't have those either
peak escarp
one of her tattoos is her personal weight record - 512 kg
worthy rose
Must be fun every time she beats her record
reef thicket
oof
peak escarp
that's 1,128 lbs.
fast spade
Thats a lot of weight
peak escarp
yep
past panther
Deadlifting is just quickly lifting the weight and putting it down
It's not something she could hold for like 10 minutes
peak escarp
no, but even getting it off the ground is impressive
past panther
Watched that crud when it was on Rio Olympics, those ladies were really buff and it was crazy how much they could lift
Even if it was for that brief moment at a time
peak escarp
I can't watch weightlifting . . . I'm always scared something will break
past panther
It's the worst if they slip or if the weights are uneven and it messes up their lift
iron plume
Weightlift records are a sum of two moves
fast spade
Youre saying :
Ih she only has to lift a half car its not that difficult
iron plume
she doesn't lift 512 in one go
but it also means it requires actual set up rahter than "imma lift this thing"
past panther
Also, deadlifters use these belts which help them do the lift
And there were certain rules how big the belt can be
iron plume
which I don't think she bothers with
peak escarp
her default outfit sorta has a belt incorporated into it
past panther
Pretty sure that deadlifting is lifting the weight in one go but it's weighted on the two sides of the bar
And you seriously only hold it there for like 5 seconds
And then drop it / put it down
fast spade
Tru
iron plume
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peak escarp
the current men's record for deadlift is 500 kg
past panther
Champion, Weightlifter
A champion weightlifter in her home country, Zarya retired on the eve of the world championships to enlist in the Russian Defense Forces.
iron plume
yes
past panther
Well then she's more than a deadlifter
Since weightlifting probs takes more strength than deadlifting
Since she actually takes the weight above her head
iron plume
The olympic record for women's total is 330
wait no
yeah nvm it is 330
men's is 474
olympic as in "the kind of weightlifting they call olympic", not just set on the games
past panther
The female champ was 140kg when she got 333 kg so she almost did double her weight
So I guess Zarya would be... Close to half the 512 kg then? Or less. Who knows.
And maybe futuristic sports would be different anyways
peak escarp
not kg
333 lbs
Zarya's record is in kg, but the records Party mentioned are in lbs
past panther
Wikipedia says 334kg
peak escarp
does make Zarya's record look pretty impressive though
past panther
But I think those are totals
So they don't actually do 330kg in one go
But it's two lifts done in different styles combined as a score
iron plume
not a topic for this channel
#general-discussion
weary turtle
Doctor_Six "the only ones I can think of are Torbjorn's arm and eye, Reinhardt's eye and Ana's eye . . . all the lost eyes "
As a clarification we know anas eye was shot by widow and reins was sliced in honor and glory
wraith zealot
Torb's eye was lost during white dome if im remember right
iron plume
that was the arm
weary turtle
What if emre is hero 30 so they could have white dome for archives https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Emre_Sarioglu
wraith zealot
That is a possibility but he is of the less developed backstory characters
While there are better candidates
iron plume
Two of the others in White Dome are rehashes of Uprising, and Ana has an entirely different kit
wraith zealot
Like the archeologists from petra seems like a more likely option
He has link to ana and a map
weary turtle
Couldnt they just remove anas heals?
iron plume
and the sleepdart, and the grenade, and then what's left
so now you don't have a healer and you have Ana that has nothing that's liked by people who play Ana
weary turtle
A normal impact granade and a sniper (witch could still do damage similiarly)
iron plume
that's one useless sniper
either way you're looking at an entirely new kit for an event hero
weary turtle
And why couldnt she have sleep
iron plume
they're not making that
wraith zealot
Like party says i dont think they would change the kit of a hero for an event. Furthest they done something like that is winter wonderland events but even those werent that far
weary turtle
Just a little reskin and a primary weapon change lesser than in wonderland
wraith zealot
PvE events always hve ahealer aswell both retribution and uprising had one
iron plume
Wonderland has 12 people with that changed kit
An Ana rebuild would have that for 1
weary turtle
Idk meaby the granade could be the same
wraith zealot
The problem with what you suggest is changes her role
iron plume
Ana wasn't a medic in old overwatch
she was a sniper and would need to be one in the event
weary turtle
Why couldnt a sniper have an occasional medpack
Besides emre could have something too
wraith zealot
Its not about a sniper having a medpack its about how ana was as we see her style in one of her comics
If emre is a hero and a support aswell maybe that might work but it feels bit far fetched
weary turtle
Shes just a regular sniper in the legacy comic so it would fit
wraith zealot
let me put it in gameplay wise
widowmaker is sniper
she has very high damage
and her kit is focused on her being a dps
ana's damage and kit is focused on her being a support
if you change ana's kit
you also hve to change her damage
which is at that point another hero with the same backstory
and ana players wont like that
weary turtle
Would they like not being able to play her at all ever?
wraith zealot
they would be able to play her
but they like her kit and gameplay
not just her backstory
for example ı love genji and hanzo's backstory and think they are pretty cool
but ı rarely pick them because of their playstyle
same thing applies to ana in this case if you change her kit for the event
people will only play it because its an event
but wont like it
reef thicket
After rewatching the honor and glory cinematic i got a few questions
- How bad was Balderich von Adler wound from being hit once with the or14's blade..? I mean it looks like a big injury but tbf it doesnt look like an injury that would make his death certain
- How on earth did Reinhardt withstand the onslaught of multipule bastions spraying him down without his armour getting shredded and probably torn apart by their guns?
Another thing is the OR14's blade is like.. orange / red... Is that just colouring or is their blades really fucking hot or something.. Because if it was wouldnt it just cauterize his wound?
worthy rose
§§tg
- So the wound itself I'd say wasn't extremely fatal and if given the opportunity, he probably could have survived. I personally think the wound itself should have been made red to sell the wound being more severe but I guess to keep it more friendly for audiences they didn't. I actually think it was more risk analysis on Baldereich's part. His men were being chased and targeted and sprayed down. 2/3 of the crusader's were out of the line from protecting teammates (possibly 3/3 since we don't really get a chance to see that third crusader again after they got jumped on by the OR14) And assumingly he was their best crusader but was not in a state where he could protect them which he leaves up to Reinhardt and like the brave strong man who keeps his oath, he fought with honor and died with glory. Also he dead fam. His corpse and the literal light leaving his suit of armor's eyes is indicative of death. Also his corpse/suit of armor is still in Eichenwalde.
- So this is where we point out that Gameplay doesn't equal Lore. Like with that same argument, why wasn't rein able to bust through the Eichenwalde map walls when he charges to potentially save teammates in game. It's not equative so I wouldn't look too deep into it @reef thicket
reef thicket
Oh i never said that balderich was alive
yeah hes dead 100% it was quite obvious he died with him at the end
and well yeah i know that gameplay doesnt = lore but cmon those bastion units turn into fucking miniguns
and miniguns irl are devastating af
i couldnt imagine 5 shooting at a crusader and doing nothing but yeah i guess they dont go too indepth into details
in order to make the cinematic more cool i guess?
worthy rose
No idea, but this is future tech. Be real embarrassing if the big suit of armor they made wasn't bullet proof. That could be why they made the OR14 (Correct me if I'm wrong about the model for that cause I'm not entirely sure)
reef thicket
yeah they are OR14's
OR14s are the big spoopy ones with guns on their head and a bunch of eyes
OR15 are the ones in numbani that got fucked by doomfist
and ofc orisa is an OR15 just heavily modified and has a mind of her own
still really want orisas or14 skin
or14 > orisa in terms of looks imo
but yeah i guess the or14's were built as sortof smarter "soliders"?
the bastion units just sorta walk and shoot at things.. i believe the or14's actually were smart which is why they are capable of fighting with blades / sortof know where to shoot / hit the crusaders
unless the one that sealed the deal with balderich was just spraying and managed to hit the lion projecting the barrier
worthy rose
i got to head to class but i'll explain my confusion in a bit
reef thicket
kk