#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 379

hasty surge Jan 20, 2019, 2:15 AM

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And I also feel that they are making characters that are tier 2 famous in the story

granite gazelle Jan 20, 2019, 3:51 AM

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holy shit

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that hanzo skin looks nasty

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word ill take 10

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 4:25 AM

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I don’t like the new hanzo skin

wraith zealot Jan 20, 2019, 4:41 AM

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ı feel like we are getting overwatch dynasty warriors style

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ı like it

sly socket Jan 20, 2019, 5:07 AM

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The skin looks good, it's just the beard texture that's bad

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At least for me

regal coyote Jan 20, 2019, 5:27 AM

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yes all dyansty warrior

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i wish reaper have a small helbard on his back though

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or maybe have a taunt or intro riding on a red bunny

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I mean the red bunny can be used for the red face god also :3

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Okay its Dynasty Warriors

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Shame

granite gazelle Jan 20, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Eh? Id consider it a pog

hasty surge Jan 20, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I mean we kinda knew that since we got reaper?

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It's only about which character they would choose

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:20 AM

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1/1 is not a pattern

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Example: 1/1 does not mean beach theme

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granite gazelle Jan 20, 2019, 6:22 AM

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My fave dva skin

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:22 AM

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2/6 were beach theme

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The other 4 were team sports

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:22 AM

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But in Chinese Year there was a theme

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First one was Year Of The Rooster right? Journey to the West

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Traditional Clothing?

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To celebrate the event?

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It wasn't a total Wukong event

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And last year wasn't a total four gods event

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Also there was no central Dragon

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Wujing, Bajie, Wukong, Sanzang were the ones themed only, yep

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Mei/Dva were the exception

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:25 AM

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4/6 5/7

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Chang'e was not the advertised Mei colour

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If we just had the two above

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:26 AM

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and year of the dog had: Baihu, Zhuque, Qinlong, Xuanwu and 2 exceptions

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Or even just 1 and Wukong

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That's not enough to derive a pattern

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Having just Lu Bu isnt enough to derive a pattern

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2 makes Dynasty Warriors the dominant possibility

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And theme overall

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Lu Bu and Huang Zhong, Romance of the Three Kingdoms

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Till now

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Yes

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Before Hanzo was

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Lu Bu

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And Korean instruments

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And themed Busan

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We had just 1 skin to based the theory on

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Now its 2, so its what is happening

granite gazelle Jan 20, 2019, 6:28 AM

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I wish i was knowledgeable in this topic pepehands

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Did we get a neww map?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Its like... What if Sugar Plum was the first skin they announced

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People would predict the theme was Nutcracker

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But that ended up being the only skin related to it

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:29 AM

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Sugar Plum wasn't the first skin announced and I still thought they'd do more Nutcracker skins

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kinda disappointed they didn't tbh

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:29 AM

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Where is Rat King

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its on merch

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Rat King Junkrat, Drosselmeier Reinhardt, Clara Widowmaker

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Its a good theme, but I wish they would expand past just China.

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Especially with Busan, could have gone to Korea this year

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:32 AM

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But Chinese is/was a specific theme unlike the other events, there are some skins not related i concede that, but their themes where: Journey to the west, Chinese mythology and now Romance of the Three Kingdoms

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:32 AM

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I kinda want them to do a zodiac animals theme for something, maybe emotes or victory poses

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or at the very least sprays

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there's too many to do skins

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:33 AM

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I hope next year expand to another asian country

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:33 AM

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they did 11 legendaries for Anniversary the first year and that did not go well

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Japan or Thailand

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:33 AM

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I'd love Warring States skins

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But its not gonna happen

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Why not?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Japan doesn't really do Lunar New Year as much

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Because this year is already

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Historical figures

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Specifically martial figures

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Like, let's make a skin for ~~Japanese Lu Bu~~ Akechi Mitsuhide

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Tomoe Gozen for Ashe?

white cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Nobunaga for Genji?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Ogundime Nobunaga

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Forgot how to spell his name

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Both even rose to power similarily

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:39 AM

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that would be an interesting fit

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:39 AM

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The only problem is, Nobunaga was known for welcoming the use of guns

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Which would be cool on someone like Ashe

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The looked like long flintlock rifles

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Or Uesugi Kenshin has lots of possibilities to be a female. He was speculated to be a female masquerading as a man.

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There's 4 skins right there.

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:44 AM

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I think it's still a possibility

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Nobunaga, Rifle Ashe, Kenshin, and I shouldn't need to explain Hattori Hanzo.

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:44 AM

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this year isn't just "historical figures", it seems to be specifically Romance of the Three Kingdoms

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which is a specific story

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Yup

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But unlike Wukong

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Or the 4 directions

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The romance was historical fiction

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With a real cast

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Rather than gods and symbols like Journey to the West.

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 6:46 AM

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yeah

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but that does mean they aren't against doing skins based on historical figures

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Do you think that religion is accepted in Overwatch?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:13 AM

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@fringe blade Elaborate

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Like, do you think that you can be religious/can you practice it on duty?

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I know some world armies don't allow religions/dont allow to practice them

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I don't know if any characters are really religious, maybe except for Genji/Zen

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:24 AM

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I mean sure but I think it's more of an accuracy of the times. Religion in today's day an age has been slowly on the decline and it's expected that religion will play an even lesser part in society in the future. If OW takes place a good amount of decades where we are basically old af. I'd believe religion while not having died out is nowhere near as relevant as it is today or even the past

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:28 AM

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That's very true

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But how far in the future can it really be

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The Christian religion has what, like 2 billion-ish followers?

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Unless something major happened, I find it hard to believe that out of the 30 heroes in game, and many more not in the game, no one is christian

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Here is a full list of religion in Overwatch:

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Soldier 76 is Catholic
Junkrat is religious
There is a cathedral on King's Row (Christian)
Shambali Order exists and is a core part of Omnic faith.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:30 AM

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iirc, junkrat says something about 'wanting to be an atheist' when on Nepal?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Wanting to be, yes.

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Thanks

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lemme double chekc

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https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/overwatch_gamepedia/8/82/Junkrat_-_Be_an_Atheist.ogg

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3/29 heroes are explicitly religious

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People speculate Torb is too thanks to the whole godfather thing, but ByakuyaShrug

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:32 AM

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yea

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I mean, how far in the future is overwatch anyway

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Also, Reaper is an atheist

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~60 years

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:32 AM

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In order for a whole omnic society and religion to build up, there had to be quite a scientific revolution happen

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:33 AM

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The Shambali was founded 20 years ago

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From the present in Overwatch

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:33 AM

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I think 60 years is a reasonable amount of time for most or a lot of religion to have decreased substantially

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:33 AM

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That's true

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Honestly

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I feel like Overwatch devs didn't dive into the whole religion thing just to make sure not to offend anyone

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Tbh if there are still hardcore religious people in 200 years id be shocked

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That too probably

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Imagine if you make a Christian Hero

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There will always be someone out there

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Who says, "Wtf, thats not what Christians are like at all"

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:34 AM

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I mean spiderman is christian but ppl dont go super into that

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I assume torb is passively Christian since he celebrated christmas but christmas tbh for me has evolved from a religious thing into a cultural thing

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I feel like the devs took an interesting step when they told about the '76 is gay' thing

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They are starting to dive into the controversy

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Naw

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Blizzard just needs something really controversial in order to get the media's attention, since, tbh, the hype around overwatch has died down

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Not that the game's dying, but still

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:38 AM

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I think the devs admitted early on that two characters were hard gay but wouldn’t say who the second one was until recently. They hard confirmed for Tracer. I think it’s just for representation and treating lgbt as it should be treated. With indifference just like everything else. And not making it a spectacle. The fact that ppl still treat lgbt as a spectacle and are shocked or appalled by it is dumb and severely outdated if u ask me

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:39 AM

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I agree with you

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However, since LGBTQ+ is still treated that way, I don't believe personally that their intentions were just to give the LGBTQ+ community representation

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Ppl had an easier time accepting a genetically modified hamster that rolls in a mech and probably killed people than a good upstanding man having an exboyfriend

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Yea

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That's society for you, unfortunately

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Ppl be dumb. I get what you are saying tho but I don’t think chu or the other writers would exploit Lgbt representation like that.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:41 AM

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I know

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The writers did it for the good reasons, for sure

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However, Blizzard also has a marketing department

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and they need to make money somehow, right

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and to get money, you need attention from media

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:42 AM

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I mean ehhh if they wanted attention there were other ways to market the game

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:43 AM

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LGBTQ+ is one of many ways to make people argue

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And arguements lead to attention

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Again meh

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I personally think they were doing fine with the whole esports OWL thing

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So for a marketing team to go “you know how we’ll get lots of attention and buyers? Let’s say Soldier is gay; Chu can u do that?”

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Also keep in mind there was nothing in the marketing for the short story that alluded to Soldier’s sexuality and was instead just marketed as a straight up Ana story

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People’s reaction to it is probably expected but I’m fairly sure theyre not trying to bank hard on said controversy

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Tbh if there are still hardcore religious people in 200 years id be shocked
That is a very controversial comment, and also very unlikely.

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Religion has been a major component of the world for millenia, and a significant (read, >90%) part of the world identifies as religious

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The devs have been avoiding it because its not something worth writing about

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It is a nice small detail to add here or there

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For example, Jack and Gabriel have their dogtags written as complete opposites

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Right down to blood type

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And that's why we have their faith

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People were shown how they spent Christmas, which is how we know Tracer's orientation (one of the few who weren't lonely)

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They won't write a comic to say someone is XYZ religion. If anything, it'll just be shown in passing like the rest.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:49 AM

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i feel like nowadays, christmas is cultural

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rather than religious

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:49 AM

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So what.

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Are the people celebrating it no longer Christian because they like Santa Claus? Are Buddhists or Jews no longer able to enjoy the commercial holiday with their friends and loved ones?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:51 AM

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That's not what I meant.

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Theres no need to make references to real world religion

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:51 AM

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I meant that only because someone celebrates Christmas, doesn't make them religious.

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:52 AM

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Yea but that was before humanity had explanations for a good chunk of things. I’m not anti-religious or anything just the information I’ve been told is that religion is becoming less and less important and or influenced by religion. It would shock me to see religion gaining a resurgence in the year 2220 just based in current trends and my own observations (assuming we havent nuked eachother to death)

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:52 AM

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So what

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@worthy rose Science + Religion != Contradiction. A significant number of scientific advancements were made by religious people. Religious debates are best not kept on this server, however.

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Especially here.

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If you want to talk religion

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Tie it back to lore

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I dont know why, but I thought that Mercy was religous

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:56 AM

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Look I’m not trying to start arguments here about religion. You are free to believe as you do. It just seems that you are defending it to such a severe degree that it seems as if you are taking offense to it. He wanted to know religion portrayals in the game and I was just putting a potential reason why as well as some evidence in the world as to why that might be. And the talk about how Christmas being felt as if it is a cultural thing instead of a religious thing, I genuinely think is a fair thing to talk about when rebutting. Again not trying to anger you or anything

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:56 AM

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Is it because of the angel motif

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Probably the angel wongs

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Wings

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Not really, she just always gave me 'religious vibes'

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:57 AM

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I'm not angered or care

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I just want to keep controversial shit off this server.

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I've already had to play janitor for the LGBT disaster.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 7:59 AM

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What do you think the next Archives gonna be about

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If there is no new story event, we riot

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Its confirmed that Jeff is excited for it

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My top expectations are either Cairo, or a Talon operation against Overwatch.

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 8:02 AM

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I’d like archives to be a year round thing but c’est la vie.

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How long until we get hints about the new hero

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:04 AM

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Typically late February

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Is the twitter teasers

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But hints can start as early as Blizzcon, in a subtle manner

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:05 AM

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what do you think is the most boring event story wise>

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?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:05 AM

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Such as the quadraped Omnic (later revealed to be an OR15) tied to Numbani in Sombra Origins and the sudden growing presence of Numbani's relevance

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Or Brigitte literally being in Honour and Glory

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My expectation has been, and was made stronger by Bastet, to be Hamid Faisal

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@fringe blade By what

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Just the least exciting

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Do you mean, which is more boring Uprising/Retribution

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Or which theory I think is most boring

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Yea

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Uprising or Retribution

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:07 AM

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I liked Retribution more, but that's because it felt that it meant more to the characters and story as a whole beyond, it's Tracer's first mission against some terrorists that will never be mentioned again

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Wait

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Retribution didnt have Tracer

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:08 AM

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No

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Uprising did

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That second half is about Uprising

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Oh

swift blaze Jan 20, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Retribution showed a huge part of the downfall of Overwatch while Uprising didn't really have any importance

worn solar Jan 20, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Has Tracer ever won a 1v1 fight

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 8:09 AM

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I like tracer as a character but besides learning where her catch phrase comes from I wasn’t too enthralled by the mission

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:09 AM

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I mean, I liked Retribution for the story and like the Uprsing for the gameplay

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:09 AM

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In terms of what we were shown in comics and shorts...

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Retribution just had so much more goodies

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:10 AM

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She won 2v2 in the Exhibit cinematic trailer, she was defeated by Widowmaker in Alive, and she was defeated by Doomfist in his anime (but her team won overall)

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She won 0/1 1v1 fights

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Tracer carried by her team, huh

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:10 AM

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And won 2/2 group fights, with one ending in her personal defeat

swift blaze Jan 20, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Which one was that?

worn solar Jan 20, 2019, 8:11 AM

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She would have won against Widow if she didn’t stop to question her motives

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:11 AM

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She failed the moment Mondatta died

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Not when she was defeated

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:12 AM

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This isn't really a lore question, but i was always curious, why isn't tac visor hackable? I know this is more of a general question, but I was curious. Sombra can hack into anything that requires electricity/connection, so why can she prevent 76 from running but not from aimbotting

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:12 AM

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Gameplay != Lore

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Same reason why you can hack Soldier's legs and can't hack Bastion's existence.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:13 AM

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I guess, yea

swift blaze Jan 20, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Oh so sad if that could happen

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Bastion ;^;

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:13 AM

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We can see in Searching how she can hack Omnics

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And completely shut them down

swift blaze Jan 20, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Can she erase memories and such like programming of omnics?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Not that we have seen

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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How do omnics even really function

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Are they just robots?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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if Sombra's hack worked in the game like it does in the lore, it would be a very OP ability

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Same way hard light functions

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No clue

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ANd will never be explained

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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I mean, it has to be quite intense AI

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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it would completely disable Bastion, Orisa and Zenyatta (like it already does on Bob)

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:14 AM

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to create robots like Mondatta

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How can a robot even question existence

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:16 AM

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if a robot gained sapience, they might question existence

swift blaze Jan 20, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Isn't that what an omnic is though?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 AM

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How could humanity progress so much in 60~ years

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 AM

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existential questioning is one of the defining traits of sapience

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 AM

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they created a fully functioning ai

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encoorperated it into their lives

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I mean, we're pretty close to having functioning AI right now

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 AM

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but imagine trying to get people to talk to ai

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work with them

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many people are scared of robots

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of ai in general

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:17 AM

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I can't even get people to use the self-serve kiosks at work

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:18 AM

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lmao

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exactly

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:18 AM

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I think it will take some time

worn solar Jan 20, 2019, 8:18 AM

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That’s why there are robophobic people in the OW universe

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:18 AM

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the omnic crisis happens 30 years from present day - technology progresses a lot in 30 years

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30 years ago, nobody had cell phones or home computers

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:19 AM

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i mean, i guess that's true

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:19 AM

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and you don't really have a choice when technology progresses that fast

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people who don't have computers or refuse to use social media today are seen as old-fashioned

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you either adapt to it or get left behind

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:20 AM

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So, just to outline all the events that occured

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In 30 years, humanity was able to create fully functioning and self-learning ai, convince people to live with them, encorperate the ai into daily lives, create a group of people who were extremely against the omnics (so much so that they were ready to kill to prove their cause, which doesn't really happen anywhere in the world, except for terrorism), create a group of soldiers, train them, and get them to protect the world

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That seems like quite the leap

worn solar Jan 20, 2019, 8:22 AM

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You know what would have been interesting?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:22 AM

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we already have AI programs that are near enough to human that people can't tell them apart

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the real hurdle is building the robot bodies

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:22 AM

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The hardest part

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Is not to get something to sound like human

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But to get it to learn from itself

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:22 AM

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@fringe blade In 70 years, humans invented the plane and then landed on the moon

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:23 AM

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the ones we have now are very unstable - getting them to balance bipedally is difficult

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:23 AM

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The internet is 30 years old

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:23 AM

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you want an AI that can learn?

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go talk to Chatbot

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:23 AM

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I feel like omnics aren't just bots, per say, they are like humans who are made of steel

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They can make decisions

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they can solve problems

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Yes, and

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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modern robots can make decisions

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Humans are the only species on this planet who are able to solve multi-step problems

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except for some birds

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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hell, modern cars can decide to brake for you if it senses something in the road

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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What about ants

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What about beavers

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What about lions

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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???

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I mean like, problems that require you to think ahead

worn solar Jan 20, 2019, 8:25 AM

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What about cuttlefish

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:25 AM

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What about ants
What about beavers
What about lions

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:25 AM

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any animal that builds homes or has to hunt can think ahead

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animals can set up ambushes - that requires thinking ahead

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:26 AM

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You want an AI that makes decisions and solves problems

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Enjoy: https://en.akinator.com/

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:26 AM

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animals that build homes will prepare spaces for food storage or new offspring before they have any to fill that space

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that's planning ahead

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:27 AM

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I phrased myself incorrectly - What I mean is, humans are one of the only species that know what consequences certain actions will hold

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(Sorry, English isnt my first language, its hard for me to explain)

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:27 AM

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quantifying intelligence is difficult because there are many types of intelligence

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true, not many animals know cause and effect

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but more than you think

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any animal that can be trained understands basic cause and effect

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:28 AM

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I also don't think that many animals can think abstractly (same with robots)

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:28 AM

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do X behavour, earn X reward

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abstract thinking is the hard part

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:29 AM

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humans are one of the only species that know what consequences certain actions will hold

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What about pavlov's dog?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:29 AM

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you can program abstract thinking into a computer

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Pavlov's dogs, if I remember correctly, were trained specifically by humans

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Humans learn by themselves

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:30 AM

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humans learn from other humans

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:31 AM

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I am also curious

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How exactly would omnics make decisions?

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Would they be biased, like humans?

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Would they do what's right?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Humans were taught by the same thing dogs are taught by

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Because I don't know if it is possible to make AI feel emotion

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Other humans or other dogs

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:31 AM

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or simulate emotion anyway

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:32 AM

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And you dont need humans to teach other things

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Birds learn how gravity works when they first leave the nest

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And learn to fly

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:32 AM

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experience is a great teacher

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:33 AM

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Mammals learn how to eat from their mother breastfeeding

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Lots of animals learn how to hunt through other animals

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:33 AM

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What I am trying to say, is that at the current state of tech, you need to teach robots/AI what to do/not to do

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:33 AM

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And lots of animals learn, killing animal = getting food

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:33 AM

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yes

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:33 AM

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So what

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Omnics are no different

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:33 AM

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we teach robots to learn

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they learn from watching us

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Do they though?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Omniums were programmed to self improve

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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eventually, that develops into sapience

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Where do omnics come from?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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To remove that step

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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How are they born?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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tada, omnic crisis

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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They are made from Omniums

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Automated self-improving factories

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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robots learned to make more robots

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better robots

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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I mean like, what kind of data do they receive?

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At birth?

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'birth'

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Whatever they are programmed with from the omnium

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Which was constantly evolving

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I recommend you read more about Machine Learning

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Overwatch and omnics/omniums is just

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:35 AM

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robots/androids doing menial service jobs is common in sci-fi because that's the trajectory technology is going in

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Machine Learning, but projected 30 years in the future

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The fundamental idea is

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:36 AM

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why pay a person to do what you can get a robot to do for free?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Teaching an ai to learn

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So the AI can improve itself

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Which is what Omniums were

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Like, say, you tell the robot to make you coffee

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Would it make the 'best' coffee?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:37 AM

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That's called a coffee machine, and it exists

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Would it ask you what coffee you want

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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possibly

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Would it just do what it wants?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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it would ask for instructions

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Depends on how it was made

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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if its programming gave it the option to refuse or question orders, then it might

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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I also think that in order for AI to be realistic, it has to be unpredictable

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Was it made to make coffee based on what coffee product is inside of it? Then it makes the best coffee based on the input

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Was it made to make coffee based on request? Then it searches for the correct beans in its inventory, and then makes the best coffee based on the input

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Was it made to make coffee based on the user's historical preference, which it has adapted to remember? Then it searches for the correct combination that is optimized to their historical taste data, and then makes the best coffee based on the input

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:40 AM

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If it is a robot at a bar.

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Would it server you specific coffee, or the one that it knows most people prefer?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:40 AM

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what if you ask a robot to make you coffee and it's a robot that wasn't programmed to make coffee?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Again

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Depends on how it was made

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Or how it was taught

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Whether it taught itself

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Or was taught directly by humans

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If it was taught to have a set default selection, it would pick that

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If it was taught to make a sampler based on new user input, it would pick based on that

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If a human was at a bar, would you serve it specific coffee, or the one that it knows most people prefer?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:41 AM

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I just want to know, would a robot choose the choice that it was told to or not? If you tell a human to do something, they always have the option of NOT doing it.

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Or would it do the obvious solution and just ask

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If the bartender picks the option of NOT doing it

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:42 AM

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it really depends on the robot and its programming

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:42 AM

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He gets fired

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Again

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It depends on how it was made

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ANd how it was taught

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:42 AM

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We're talking about self-learning AI here

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like Omnics

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:42 AM

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if the robot was programmed to only make coffee and doesn't have the option of not doing it, then it will do it

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Then it depends on how the omnic learned to serve customers

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Exactly like how

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:43 AM

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if the robot has the option of not making the coffee, you might have to convince it

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:43 AM

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It depends on how the human laerned to serve customers

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If the human learned that it is best to offer customers a default beverage to assess their tastes

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It will do that

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If an AI learned that it is best to offer customers a default beverage to assess their tastes

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It will do that

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:44 AM

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What happens if several people asked for coffee at one time?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:44 AM

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The robot would probably have an easier time than the human at remembering the orders

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:44 AM

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again, depends on programming

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it might process the orders in the order they were received, or in the order that is most efficient, or in whatever order it thinks is best

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:45 AM

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It depends on how it was taught. Whether it was taught by itself, or taught by humans

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Omnics self-learn, right?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Correct

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So do their factories

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:46 AM

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in any of these scenarios, replace "programming" with "training", and you could be talking about a human barista

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:46 AM

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If it was taught by itself, does that mean it’s failed to serve drinks before?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:46 AM

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So, per say, they aren't exactly programmed for specific tasks? Do they just take previous omnic knowledge?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:46 AM

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@pliant sparrow Probably, yes.

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That is how you learn is through experimentation and failure

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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we don't know much about omnic development/creation

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we don't know what knowledge they're "born" with

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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That’s true

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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Lets say you had an AI that made you and only you dinner every da

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And you asked for a new meal every day of the week

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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So, if they have to make a decision, do they really have the ability to choose?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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It would try to expand in different ways to learn what your preferences are

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If it discovers you don't like dishes with uncooked tomatoes, it will stop making dishes with uncooked tomatoes

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If it discovers you really like dishes that have sesame, it will start cooking with sesame more often.

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Same way a normal personal chef would adapt

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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What if it wants to be mean to you and put uncooked tomatoes in? Can they do that?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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If a human did that they would get fired.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Yes, but they cant still DO IT

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Suppose their ability to choose depends on if they were actually programmed to do anything

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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If the robot was not programmed to expand beyond culinary versatility

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Why would it

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:50 AM

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If they’re programmed to do something in particular for people they don’t really get a choice if they can do it or not

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:50 AM

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If it was created solely to deal with making you dinners based on your tastes

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And was never designed with any other purpose

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Why would it say no

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Then is it AI?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Yes

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:51 AM

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if they're capable of learning, it might learn that the humans it is serving are being cruel to it, and learn how to be cruel back to them

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:51 AM

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If it cant choose

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Can you choose to shoot flames out of your arms?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:51 AM

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or learn that if they behave a certain way, the cruelty stops

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:51 AM

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If a robot wasn’t programmed to follow a particular order and is self-learning, couldn’t it learn how to make choices?

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:52 AM

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@pliant sparrow Depends on the type of self learning

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:52 AM

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That’s true

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:52 AM

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If the entirety of it is based on just

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Culinary preference

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:52 AM

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AI programming is complicated

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:52 AM

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Then the only reason it will ever stop making food is because it discovers you don't like food

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:52 AM

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But if we were to talk about actual omnics in society

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Who are like humans

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Omnics are not a robot that was just made for culinary preference

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:53 AM

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then an omnic will react exactly the same as a human

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which means it depends on the personality of the omnic

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Omnics are sapient machines that are capable of mimicking humans

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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if you asked Zenyatta to make you a coffee, he would probably do his best

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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They became sapient when the self-improving algorithm inevitably learned solved sapience and emotional response.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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But how can it make a choice? If it sees a person being murdered, would it help? A human can choose. They can run. Help. Yell. Call the cops.

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Of course an omnic can make a choice

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An Omnic isnt a simple cooking AI

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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if you asked Lynx to do it, they'd tell you to make your own (and make them one while you're at it)

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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An Omnic is fully sapient

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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But that was exactly my point

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Is it just Omnics that are fully sapient robots in the overwatch world?

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Or are there others?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:55 AM

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How can you make a fully sapient omnic and encorperate it into society in only 30 yrs

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Echo is not an omnic

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she appears to be fully sapient

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:55 AM

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How can you land on the moon after inventing planes <70 years ago

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Would Athena count as sapient? Or do we not know?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Planes were invented in like 1900s,weren't they

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:56 AM

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And the moon landing was 70 years later

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:56 AM

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I dont remeber exactly

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:56 AM

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Late 1800s I think

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:56 AM

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1899

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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very late 1800s

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Athena is a glorified Siri

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Lol

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Exactly 70 years before the moon landing

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Really depends on science advancement

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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My bad, I looked it up

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67 years

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It was even shorter

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If you want to make it shorter

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Landing on the moon is one thing

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:58 AM

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I think cellphones are a better example

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:58 AM

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First flight to first man in space was only 59 years

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:58 AM

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first cell phone (mobile phone) invented in 1973

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Cars to computers could be an example

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:58 AM

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The world wide web was invented in 89

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 8:59 AM

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about 30 years later (early 2000s) everyone has one and they can surf the internet

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add another 10-20 years, and people basically can't live without them

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 8:59 AM

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1 second, I have a relevant graph

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I honestly think a more impressive thing is Tracer's Manipulator

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Thr girl can go through time

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The*

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:00 AM

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not exactly

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she doesn't time travel, she manipulates her personal time stream

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Well...

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:00 AM

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To fast forward or reverse

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:00 AM

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if it's 10:05 and she recalls, it's still 10:05 for Tracer

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:00 AM

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A couple of seconds

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:00 AM

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she just goes back to where she was a few seconds ago

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:01 AM

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📎 us_technology_adoption_rates.png

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Still

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:01 AM

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This is not quite the same

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Adoption rates rather than enhancement rates

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But the pattern still persists that newer technologies become mainstream much faster than older technologies

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And as an extention

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They also get developed at a faster rate

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The evolution of the phone was shorter than the evolution of the television or the evolution of the internet

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:02 AM

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A fully functioning space base was created 25-ish years before thr events of overwatch

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:02 AM

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And China is already growing cotton on the moon

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Fun fact, that space base is also Chinese (the Horizon Lunar Colony)

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Didn’t that plant die?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Yea

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Obviously

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Its the first plant

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:03 AM

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we currently have a permanent space station orbiting the earth

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:03 AM

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They learned the lesson, will adapt, and will try again with success.

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We also have

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Actual stuff growing on the ISS

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And not dying

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:04 AM

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it's not too much of a leap to have a base on the moon (if people actually try to do it)

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:04 AM

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I am curious, what jappened to overpopulation

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:04 AM

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So is there any way we could terraform the moon currently?

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:04 AM

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right now space colonization isn't much of a priority in the world

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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In 60 years, there must be 10+bil. People in the world

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Because they probably haven’t been able to do it or it takes to long in Overwatch’s universe l

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Maybe even 15+

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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the omnic crisis probably knocked the world population down a bit

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Actually the figure would probably be closer to 9 billion

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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the 2 world wars certainly did

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Due to how the population growth is predicted to slow down

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Population growth is a parabola, not an exponential growth

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:07 AM

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📎 updated-World-Population-Growth-1750-2100.png

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Its currently dropping in places like China

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📎 babybust_1.png

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:10 AM

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based on the descriptions, the omnic crisis seemed to be on the scale of a world war

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meaning the global population would take a massive hit

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I think it would have had more victims

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Due to the omnics not being human

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So humans probably wouldn’t have been taken as slaves/workers

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 9:13 AM

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true, but the omnics not being human means there's only human casualties on one side

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instead of on both sides

regal coyote Jan 20, 2019, 11:19 AM

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yes

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but it also depends on how omnic comply to human made rules of engagement

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If i were omnic i would try to spread poisonous substances around, officially or not

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since many of those would only harm organics

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like, destroying the ecosystem of whole area would take a huge hit on the population due to food shortage but would have little negative effect on inorganics like omnics

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 12:01 PM

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Nuclear bombs could have easily been used considering radiation wouldn’t affect them

past panther Jan 20, 2019, 12:09 PM

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So the new skins are based on different generals in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel?

iron plume Jan 20, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Radiation wouldn’t affect them
Radiation on a nuclear bomb scale does affect robots
not in the same way as humans obviously, but it messes with electronics hard

regal coyote Jan 20, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@past panther yes dynasty warriors basically

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real and fiction there are thousands of people to choose from, and many famous personality. Not just generals, but things like famous pets, weapons, scholars, tacticians, and hot chicks (no kidding)

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check out various games around hat is super loosely based on thsoe

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nuclear bomb wold damage stuff jsut as bad for omnics, plus the emp and what not from it woudl have huge effect on electronics.

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a dirty bomb with radioactive payload, however, would work well against organics.

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but even without those omnics can have huge impact on human population as a tactic. simple things like damaging water source would work quite well.

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:34 PM

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I really wish there was an underwater-base map

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Maybe like an Overwatch or Talon base

jade rampart Jan 20, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Watchpoint:Atlantis

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:35 PM

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It could function like Lunar Colony in some parts

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Like no gravity

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And lower vision

hasty surge Jan 20, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Or maybe the meka team going down to the kaju Ominic base to fight?

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All heroes would have oxygen tanks?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I doubt Blizzard woukd create a whole new game concept just for a map

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Tho, they did create the non gravity for Horizon

hasty surge Jan 20, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Archive event maybe

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Ye

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I want an Archive event that doesn't deal with Overwatch directly

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Maybe like a MEKA mission or a Talon mission

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I mean, we had blackwatch

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Blackwatch is still a part of Overwatch

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that said, the next Archives event is indeed poised to be a Talon event

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they've been setting it up exactly the same way they set up Retribution

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with Uprising, we got two new Blackwatch skins that were not used in any kind of in-game event

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with Retribution, we got two new Talon skins that were not use in any kind of in-game event

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:51 PM

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do you mean Doomfist and Sombra?

regal coyote Jan 20, 2019, 4:52 PM

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yes

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which is strange though

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i thought sombra joined after doomfist's capture?

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:52 PM

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yes

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So it might be after

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Does Widow have a Talon-oriented skin?

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Wait

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She does

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Right?

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But its like normal faced

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Her talon skin is her base skin

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Cause you know the whole lore about being kidnapped and experimented on and turned blue and all that

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:56 PM

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True

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But she also has a skin called 'Talon'

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Just like Doom and Sombra

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Just out of curiousity, would the Soldier:24 skin be during his time with Overwatch, right?

regal coyote Jan 20, 2019, 4:58 PM

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before that

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Oh

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So would the Reaper Talon skin just be his default skin?

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I assume that is his army skin during the strike team during the omnic crisis but not every skin has roots in lore so dont think too deeply into it

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Also yes if i understand your question correctly

fringe blade Jan 20, 2019, 5:11 PM

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When did Reaper join Talon

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After or before becoming Reaper

iron plume Jan 20, 2019, 5:13 PM

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definitely after Retribution, most likely after the Fall but it's not clear

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 5:14 PM

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No idea yet. The time frame on that is a bit sketch. Some people thing he was a double agent when in OW post retribution which I think is dumb af but whatever, Some people think it's after the Swiss HQ fell and OW got disbanded but again that's not well known

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There are a lot of theories about it tho which are fascinating but again they're only theories

twilit apex Jan 20, 2019, 5:50 PM

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They should make widow lez

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just because its blizzard

neon cobalt Jan 20, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Na she would be bi obviously... I mean she had a husband and all...

fading dune Jan 20, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Yeah she's a WIDOWmaker

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 7:07 PM

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"because its Blizzard"

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why would that make a difference?

dawn knot Jan 20, 2019, 7:22 PM

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😬

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i'm hoping that someday we will see an interaction between junkrat and jucio

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i feel like they can learn a lot from eachother

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lucio*

peak escarp Jan 20, 2019, 7:32 PM

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that's an odd combination

weary turtle Jan 20, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Someone said something about having emotions on a robot... i would like to remind you that we've already succesfully simulated the brains of a tiny worm into a simple robot with wheels

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Missing a couple neurons from a human brain but still :D

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Emotions would come with

valid shell Jan 20, 2019, 8:24 PM

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@dawn knot ?

dawn knot Jan 20, 2019, 8:31 PM

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idk twas just attempting to move the conv along

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this chat is the only one i ever look at

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and i really didn't want to see what was there as the most recent thing

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twould be actually interesting to see that though, junkrat and the frog boy, ngl tho

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also nah that worm could not have been just a couple of neurons away from a human brain

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unless that is exaggeration, i directly oppose that statement

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Seeing McCree fight junkrat and Roadhog would be interesting

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Say he catches junkrat and then Roadhog bursts through the wall behind him

worthy rose Jan 20, 2019, 9:28 PM

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that would be epic

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overwatch needs more cinematics tho

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or a movie

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cinematic one

pliant sparrow Jan 20, 2019, 9:43 PM

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I’m pretty sure they said they’re working on a movie

normal copper Jan 20, 2019, 9:46 PM

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if they made a movie would you want live action or animated

wraith zealot Jan 20, 2019, 9:52 PM

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animaterd

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they are good with animated

frosty shell Jan 20, 2019, 10:32 PM

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prob. Animated

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I don't think they ever said they were doing a movie

regal coyote Jan 20, 2019, 10:34 PM

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live action of game movies are usually shit or worse than shit.

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I mean, even the warcraft movie is mediocore at best.

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animation is much better

normal copper Jan 20, 2019, 10:58 PM

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i mean animated would probs be better but it would be so cool seeing them all live like that

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Overwatch does not need a live action movie.

acoustic glacier Jan 20, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Yea really.

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Animated, sure, because they could hire the same voices

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But live action? Hell no.

limpid agate Jan 20, 2019, 11:02 PM

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If they do live

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I think only 3 or 4 VAs can play themselves

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Like Lucio, Tracer, any non-human

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A short film, like 5-10 minutes would work best if they wanna try live action. Could probably do one with Moira.

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acoustic glacier Jan 20, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Yea

still pier Jan 20, 2019, 11:33 PM

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soldoer 76 was Bf with winstion ?

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 11:34 PM

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@regal coyote no info on when Sombra joined

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she seems to be a recent hire

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but "recent" can mean anything

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she could have easily been recruited around the same time as Tracer

still pier Jan 20, 2019, 11:35 PM

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hello i was told Solder 76 was Bf w Winston is real?

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 11:35 PM

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uhh, no

still pier Jan 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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oh so he isnt Gay

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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??

still pier Jan 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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just a prank ..

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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he is gay

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are you talking about vincent?

still pier Jan 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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i dont know . my friend say he is gay becauee he liked Winston

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 11:37 PM

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https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/g7t8hatsnnxz3c1mhqw6.png

fair widget Jan 20, 2019, 11:37 PM

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he's gay but your friend was joking about winston

dire timber Jan 20, 2019, 11:37 PM

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the photo that Ana is holding is a picture of Jack with his former boyfriend

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his name is Vincent

still pier Jan 20, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Ok thank .. I was scared i thinked the Soldier was with gorilla haha..

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@still pier

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wtf Sorry i accidental type my name.

old basin Jan 21, 2019, 12:05 AM

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we are all soldiers now.

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 12:06 AM

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a showdown between McCree and the junkers would be interesting

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clues on Castillo point to him tracking them down, and he has a voice line about them having a bounty

spiral timber Jan 21, 2019, 12:08 AM

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ashe and mcree are gonna bang

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kappa

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 12:10 AM

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no

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 12:10 AM

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@spiral timber Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

hasty surge Jan 21, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Just ignore them

spiral timber Jan 21, 2019, 12:23 AM

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oh sorry

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i was lowkey not joking

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hes defo going after ashe from the reunion short

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they were a couple

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the picture of vincent and soldier reminded me of the pic mccree had of him and ashe on his bike

hasty surge Jan 21, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Hmm looks like we didn't get a hero skin drop today

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I kinda wish that all events are lore related

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Probably would be nice to see how overwatch celebrate chinese new year

white cobalt Jan 21, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Guan Yu Reinhardt

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Guan Yu ([kwán ỳ] (About this soundlisten); died January or February 220),[a] courtesy name Yunchang, was a general serving under the warlord Liu Bei during the late Eastern Han dynasty of China. Along with Zhang Fei, he shared a brotherly relationship with Liu Bei and accompanied him on most of his early exploits. Guan Yu played a significant role in the events leading up to the end of the dynasty and the establishment of Liu Bei's state of Shu Han during the Three Kingdoms period. While he is remembered for his loyalty towards Liu Bei, he is also known for repaying Cao Cao's kindness by slaying Yan Liang, a general under Cao Cao's rival Yuan Shao, at the Battle of Boma.

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Guan Yu's life was lionised and his achievements glorified to such an extent after his death that he was deified during the Sui dynasty. Through generations of story telling, culminating in the 14th-century historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms, his deeds and moral qualities have been given immense emphasis, making Guan Yu one of East Asia's most popular paradigms of loyalty and righteousness.

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Heh, basically Reinhardt

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:08 AM

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they were a couple
No they were not.
the picture of vincent and soldier reminded me of the pic mccree had of him and ashe on his bike
That was Ashe's bike, not his

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@spiral timber

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They were never in a relationship, and likely never will be

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If there ever was any attraction, it was one sided from Ashe to McCree, based on their interactions

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And that's an If

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McCree never was interested in Ashe far as we know

spiral timber Jan 21, 2019, 1:09 AM

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ahhh ok

reef thicket Jan 21, 2019, 1:11 AM

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oh

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my

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god

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reins new skin

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LMAO

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https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1087152799815630849

spiral timber Jan 21, 2019, 1:12 AM

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dunno how i feel

reef thicket Jan 21, 2019, 1:12 AM

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LOL

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Me neither

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i feel the exact same

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idk if i like it or not?

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the most mind fucking skin in the gmae

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game

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not sure why he got a skin though

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he already has that other one from lunar

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reapers new skin is still the best

fringe blade Jan 21, 2019, 1:25 AM

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why

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why does that skin exist

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Has tracer gotten any skins for the last 2-3 events?

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:27 AM

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1 sec

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Her most recent skin was the OWL All Star legendary

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Before that was an Anniversary epic

fringe blade Jan 21, 2019, 1:28 AM

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I dont really count that as an event skin tho

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Exactly

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:28 AM

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And before that was the first anniversary legendary

fringe blade Jan 21, 2019, 1:28 AM

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So no skin for Summer, Halloween or Christmas

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:28 AM

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However

fringe blade Jan 21, 2019, 1:28 AM

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She has a Lunar New Year epic, right?

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Skins:
10 -
11 - Hammond, Ashe
12 - Brigitte
13 - Orisa, Moira
14 - Doomfist
15 - Hanzo, Ana, Winston
16 - Zenyatta, Roadhog, Genji
17 - Reaper, Torbjorn, D.Va, Pharah, Soldier, Sombra, Symmetra, Junkrat
18 - Mei, Zarya, Mercy, Lucio, Reinhardt
19 - Tracer, McCree, Bastion, Widowmaker

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She is still tied for most skins in game

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Overall

fringe blade Jan 21, 2019, 1:29 AM

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Doomfist needs some good skins

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Most of his are not that great imo

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Maybe except for Formal

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and the Doomfish one as well

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:33 AM

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There will probably be little lore this event

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 1:39 AM

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if Torbjorn gets one that will make him the second hero with a skin for every event

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skins aren't given out according to who needs them or how many they have

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Tracer might be drew for skins, but there's 3 "sets" of skins, ie punk, mach t, sprinter all with an near identical corresponding skin

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Not to mention all stars and slipstream are behind paywalls

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You could argue she has 14 skins in that case

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Bastion has 2 behind paywalls/unavailable

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Widow has 1

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Yh theres quite a lot of heroes with origins edition skins, but no other hero has 3 duo set skins

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Which are all mediocre / trash imo

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:32 AM

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McCree has Gambler/Riverboat and Mystery Man/Vigilante

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Widowmaker has Huntress/Comtesse and Odette/Odile

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ever hero launched with 2 pairs of legendary skins

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:34 AM

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That's my point, tracer has an extra one that inflates her number unnecessarily

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Tracer, Lucio, Zarya, Torbjorn amd Mei all have event legendaries that form pairs

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:34 AM

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It makes her look like she has a lot, when in actuality if she doesn't get one this event, it will be over 2 years since shes had one

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:35 AM

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she got a skin during Anniversary last year

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and she got a legendary for All-Stars

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:36 AM

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A legendary?

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:36 AM

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her Anniversary skin was an epic

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but a skin is a skin

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why does the number even matter?

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Because we are counting legendary I thought?

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And all stars was behind a £15 paywall

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Which is more than the full game has cost at some points

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:37 AM

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okay, so ignore that then

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but why does the number of legendary skins a hero has matter?

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it doesn't make them play better, or give them loads more lore

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Idk lmao I was just talking about you guys counting them earlier

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It just means it makes her look like she has a lot to choose from when she doesnt

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Especially when you've had the same few choices for nearing 2 years

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With little to no change

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:39 AM

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two skins that have the same model but different texture are still 2 different skins

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I like Riverboat but I don't like the colours on Gambler

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:40 AM

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But if you dont like the aesthetic of it, then not just one but two pointless skins for ya

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I dont like punk for example, so I'm not gonna like the rest coloured alternative

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:40 AM

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no

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it's one pointless skin

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and one that I always use

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:41 AM

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And I'm not talking about the colour

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I'm talking about the aesthetic

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:41 AM

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but that still doesn't make them the same skin

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2 skins are 2 skins

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:42 AM

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One is a recolour of another, if u dont like the aesthetic then I'm not gonna like the counter part, simple

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Aesthetic = the model, not just the colouring of it

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:42 AM

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just because you don't like them doesn't mean they should be counted as 1 skin

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:43 AM

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That's not really the point I'm making, I'm just saying if you dont like ones aesthetic, you dont like both

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Which is a waste of a skin

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Which inflates the number

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Which leads to a hero not getting a skin for 2 years

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:44 AM

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I think most of Torbjorn's skins are terrible

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does that mean they shouldn't be counted?

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:44 AM

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No, I'm talking specifically about tracer having 3 sets of duo skins

dawn knot Jan 21, 2019, 2:45 AM

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they should make another tier of skin, where the actual model is changed, shortened or heightened everything

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Torb has unique skins even if they are terrible

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No they shouldn't lmao, hitboxes would be fucked

dawn knot Jan 21, 2019, 2:45 AM

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but just chnage them to fit the skins

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:45 AM

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pairs of skins are not counted as 1 skin

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:45 AM

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I'm not saying that

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I'm saying it's a waste of a skin

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:46 AM

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why does that matter?

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it's in the past, so it's not like it's going to change

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:46 AM

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because heroes then dont get skins for 2 years as people argue they have enough skins already

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:47 AM

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the devs don't care how many skins a hero has

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they make skins when they have an idea for one

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:47 AM

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But the community does

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And out of any part of the game, skins (which create micro transactions for loot boxes) they will listen to the community for

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Tracer hasn't gotten an event legendary for 2 years because the art team doesn't have any ideas they want to use for her

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not because she has 5 event legendaries already

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I'm sure they aren't completely at a loss for designs

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:49 AM

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she doesn't even have the most event legendaries

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Mei has 6

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:50 AM

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They probably do one every event for her and pick other heroes over them as "other heroes deserve the love more"

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:50 AM

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heroes don't "deserve" anything

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Honestly, the fact that mei has more is the only reason I see people realising tracer has had fuck all recently

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Again, that's just a phrase I see thrown around a lot in this server and reddit

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:51 AM

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do you know which hero is the only hero to have a skin for every event?

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:51 AM

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No idea

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:51 AM

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McCree

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Probs an OG hero

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Damn

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:51 AM

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he has a legendary for every event except Winter

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and he has an epic for Winter

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Honestly scrooge is worthy of legendary status

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Tracer and Widowmaker are missing Halloween, Mei is missing Summer Games, Torbjorn is missing Lunar New Year, Zenyatta and Junkrat are missing Archives, Mercy, Reinhardt, and Reaper are missing Anniversary

tepid abyss Jan 21, 2019, 2:52 AM

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I always think pajamei is summer games tbh

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 2:56 AM

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there's probably others

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most of the release heroes are missing one event

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Mei has more event emotes than anyone, but they keep giving her new ones

hasty surge Jan 21, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Ironclad and chief engineer is a set?

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Hmm

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 4:31 AM

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their models are more or less identical, with the exception of his hand and beard on Ironclad

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they're not as close as Luna/Chang'e or Sprinter/Track and Field

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but close enough that I'd consider them a pair

steel laurel Jan 21, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Just found out soldier is gay

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zendisappointed

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pogchimp

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kaplanwhat

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KaplanThink

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GrandpaRage gremlindva

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 4:54 AM

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that's old news

valid shell Jan 21, 2019, 5:05 AM

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@steel laurel Do you have any more funny emojis before you get muted?

steel laurel Jan 21, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I only did six, for one, and two I was offline

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So no

hasty surge Jan 21, 2019, 5:09 AM

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I understand

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Just that I never thought of them as a pair until you mention torb

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Which makes sense

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 5:10 AM

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that was the last time a hero got two skins in the same event

timid eagle Jan 21, 2019, 5:24 AM

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I'm annoyed that Orisa has been ignored.

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I love playing as her, but it's annoying that the newer heroes have had more cosmetic skins than she has.

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 5:32 AM

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I mean meh? I think Orisa has a lot of skins when compared to brig or hammond

past panther Jan 21, 2019, 5:33 AM

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So these new skins make Hanzo look older than Reinhardt

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Hmm

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Orisa has 2 event skins
Moira has 3 event skins
Brigitte has 2 event skins
Wrecking Ball has 1 event skin
Ashe has 1 event skin

past panther Jan 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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I guess it makes sense that they want to add event skins for old characters before giving those to new ones

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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Doomfist has 3 event skins

granite flume Jan 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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WB and Ashe are new though, so it makes sense they don't have many

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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besides her bear one, what other event skin does Brig have?

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oh her nationality skin

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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yes

granite flume Jan 21, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Brig bear skin?

past panther Jan 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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The Shieldmaiden

regal coyote Jan 21, 2019, 6:27 AM

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that said though, i would say recently released characters are mea nt to have less skin, as th number should increase over tim.

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The other thing to consider is dupes, some character have more skin that are palette swap

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while some are completely different thing. (most obvious is some of the solor swap on things like olympic skin, and some event skin)

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Rarity level of skin matters in a way too.

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Or you can just look at the full list

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Skins:
10 -
11 - Hammond, Ashe
12 - Brigitte
13 - Orisa, Moira
14 - Doomfist
15 - Hanzo, Ana, Winston
16 - Zenyatta, Roadhog, Genji
17 - Reaper, Torbjorn, D.Va, Pharah, Soldier, Sombra, Symmetra, Junkrat
18 - Mei, Zarya, Mercy, Lucio, Reinhardt
19 - Tracer, McCree, Bastion, Widowmaker

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Sombra is the biggest winner of cosmetics

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But Doomfist is enjoying it too

pliant sparrow Jan 21, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Hammond’s event skin is the best though

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Ana and Orisa were overtaken by newer characters

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Also Hanzo and Winston

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OH wait

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I forgot about Bastet

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Ana is at 16

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Emre is a nobody

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Soldier's ex-boyfriend Vincent is also a nobody

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Thanks for correction

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Operation White Dome happened at the end of the omnic crisis

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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ALso, Ana was not a healer

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Mercy was still a child

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She didn't invent her biotic tech yet

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So Ana wouldn't even be Ana

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My top expectations for the event include the Cairo incident or a Talon assault against Overwatch.

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My top expectation for hero 30 is Dr. Hamid Faisal, the Archeologist based in Petra

iron plume Jan 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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fyi discord has actual strikeout (~~) and you don't have to do that abomination with overlay symbols

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another option for Archives could be the Japan incident, presumably taking down the Shimadas

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and they're fairly consistent when they actually do say when something happened

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 7:57 AM

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the OW timeline has actually been quite consistent

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Its consistency is...

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Questionable, but not as bad

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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we just don't have context for a lot of things

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so we don't know where they fit in the timeline

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most of the comics for example

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 7:58 AM

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As it is, Hammond was in Junkertown for around a decade

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Which isn't too bad, I remember worse stuff but I'm sleepy

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Searching

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that's the main black spot on their otherwise good record of timeline consistency

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Thats the obvious one

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But the post-recall timeline is also kind of janky

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For Mei and Winston/Tracer

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Recall -> Alive -> Rise and Shine -> Mei visits Winston and joins Overwatch -> Mei starts her journal in America -> Mei makes a name for herself with her work in the present -> Winston and Tracer FINALLY do something Overwatch and stop Widow/Reaper -> When was Christmas during all this

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 8:02 AM

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there's a lot of holes right now that need filling in

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Then you tack on Doomfist/Sombra/Orisa

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You get Infiltration after the failed heist

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Then Searching starts

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Doomfist breaks out of Jail

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Masquerade happens

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The OR15s are builts and deployed

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Doomfist then goes to Numbani

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Destroys them and steals back his gauntlet

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Orisa is built from the ashes

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THEN Zarya finally gets to Numbani during Searching

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The comic is only half over

undone flame Jan 21, 2019, 8:09 AM

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in watching the shorts - I at first thought the little girl in the soldier video in el dorado was a young sombra - too bad the timeline didn't add up right

iron plume Jan 21, 2019, 8:10 AM

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it's definitely for the better

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Alejandra is not Sombra. It was a common mistake for some reason, even though there was nothing to suggest that the short took place 20 years in the past

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 8:13 AM

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she doesn't look that much like her either

iron plume Jan 21, 2019, 8:14 AM

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she's also mexican so basically same thing innit

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 8:27 AM

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ARE ROADHOG AND JUNK FRIENDS

iron plume Jan 21, 2019, 8:27 AM

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they tolerate each other at least

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 8:30 AM

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That's nice

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Hope they genuinely like eachother as mates

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gremlindva

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 8:30 AM

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I'll just repost what I said on the forum

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Junkrat seems to like Roadhog.

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Roadhog tolerates Junk at best

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 8:31 AM

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Oh right lol

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Was I the sonicuuu9 guy

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KaplanThink

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I swear I saw you

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jewvia

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K

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Thanks

neon dragon Jan 21, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Well hello there

regal coyote Jan 21, 2019, 9:46 AM

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@limpid agate "The OR15s are builts and deployed"

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I personally think the police OR15s may have been functional for years before the doomfist incident.

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Maybe in a slightly different area.

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LOTS of them are built it seems.

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 1:35 PM

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They were new to an 11 year old

frosty shell Jan 21, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Early on, a lot of people thought the Hero short took place in the past because the Lumérico pyramid isn't shown very well

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But it's still there just out of view most of the time

regal coyote Jan 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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past yes, before 76 gets to egypt, but after he borrowed his weaponary

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 4:53 PM

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we knew it was post fall though

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 4:56 PM

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according to the in-universe articles, Soldier: 76 didn't start appearing until recently

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so it couldn't be in the past

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plus there's Chu's GDC timeline

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📎 tumblr_ousns6frnL1vjifdfo1_1280.png

hearty bone Jan 21, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I hope blizzard makes more cinematics

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 6:11 PM

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ikr

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mcree was the last one we seen

hearty bone Jan 21, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Ye

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I want one that talks about the tecknology that symetra and lucio have

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 6:12 PM

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same

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never ever thought of that

past panther Jan 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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They could try some different styles too. Like 2D animation.

hearty bone Jan 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Theres just a lotta lore that the characters talk about while waiting for the match to start that sounds neat

past panther Jan 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Their 3D models are pretty darn good though

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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we get 2 every year

hearty bone Jan 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Ye like doomfists trailer

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 6:14 PM

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plus origin trailers for each new hero

pliant sparrow Jan 21, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I feel like they could have used the McCree one to show him fighting junkrat and Roadhog

iron plume Jan 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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why would he be in the same place as the junkers, much less fight them

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 6:27 PM

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you can find both McCree's hat and Junkrat's plan to blow up the bank in the bar on Castillo

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hints seem to point at McCree maybe pursuing them for their bounty

pearl blade Jan 21, 2019, 7:00 PM

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We have any idea who the next hero is gonna be?

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Echo is obviously out but who are the other candidates?

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Hamid Faisal, the archaeologist working on Petra, seems like a strong candidate

sly socket Jan 21, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Tbh it can be kinda random.

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Like yeah those are good candidates but...

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I don't think we knew about Ashe before she was announced right?

iron plume Jan 21, 2019, 7:18 PM

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we didn't know Ashe but we did know it had something to do with Deadlock after the hints on R66

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Ashe is the exception not the rule

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Every other hero was teased in the months leading to their release, and introduced in so.e form before their debut

normal copper Jan 21, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Is Junker Queen an option?

peak escarp Jan 21, 2019, 8:02 PM

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not a very likely one

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she was more likely before we got Ashe

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I think she will be a hero but not for a while

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Hamid is a likely candidate for next hero because he was referenced recently, and they seem to be alternating male and female heroes (now that its equal)

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not sure what role he'd fill in the game, but I don't particularly care either

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

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lol

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dont really know who is hero 30

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they havent teased nothingt really

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blizzard

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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They teased Hamid

worthy rose Jan 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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proof?

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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In the way they usually tease heroes in the months prior

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!!loreText

twilit nacelleBOT Jan 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM

News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr

Other Blog Posts:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Oasis Travel Tips: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B

limpid agate Jan 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Bastet

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Typically, a hero is introduced about a year in advance to bring them into the world

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They are then retintroduced in the months leading up to their launch, after the previous hero is revealed

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The exceptions are Ashe and arguably Orisa.