lore-discussion

[lavish laurel]

Why?

[limpid agate]

@lavish laurel Try that again in a more appropriate manner

[valid shell]

Because some men kiss men.

[lavish laurel]

Explain, though.

[sly socket]

?

[lavish laurel]

Yeah, but it took them 2 years.

[valid shell]

Sometimes a human being with a Y chromosome likes another human with a Y chromosome very much.

[lavish laurel]

Why not make him gay from the start?

[limpid agate]

He was

[lavish laurel]

Uh...

When did they confirm that?

[peak escarp]

he was gay from the start, we just didn't know it

[valid shell]

When did they say he wasn't?

[lavish laurel]

Oh, we didn't know.

[valid shell]

Bingo.

[peak escarp]

that picture of Vincent first appeared in Reflections, Dec 2016

[limpid agate]

Yesterday confirmed. Teased sinxe Reflections. Never said otherwise

[lavish laurel]

That's just like Schrödinger's cat.

[lavish laurel]

It's been dead the whole time.

But we never knew.

[valid shell]

It's almost like characters can have any sexuality.

[limpid agate]

Reflections had the teaser

Also, who gives a shit

[lavish laurel]

@valid shell It's almost like sexuality doesn't matter.

[valid shell]

Correct!

[limpid agate]

Then why are you complaining

[lavish laurel]

Also, coulda' been a fallen veteran comrade.

Because it feels forced.

[valid shell]

?

What would make it less forced, if Jack wore a fishnet top and little denim shorts?

[lavish laurel]

If you wanna introduce a gay character, make him gay from the beginning.

[valid shell]

Reexamine your biases.

[lavish laurel]

Don't pull an Adventure Time.

[limpid agate]

But you just said it doesn't matter. Now you're saying a one off detail that got as much focus as Jack's cup is forced

[lavish laurel]

But why did it take them 2 whole years?

Because bias.

[limpid agate]

No

[lavish laurel]

Political bias.

[valid shell]

REINHARDT BEING BAD AT STEALTH IS FORCED BLIZZARD IS PUSHING AN AGENDA.

THE FEMINISTS ARE TAKING OVER.

[lavish laurel]

...?

[valid shell]

Exactly.

[limpid agate]

I'm ending this pointless debate. I'm sick of dealing with this

[lavish laurel]

Fairs.

I'm out folks. No need to discuss any further.

I won't get it.

[peak escarp]

it took them 2 years because they're telling the story at their own pace

[limpid agate]

Why did it take a year for something to happen with Recall

It's the same thing

They have a slow lore progression

[reef thicket]

oh

well

anas new skin is now on OW

xD

its an event thing

need 9 wins

[lavish laurel]

"The problem with Vincent is he has no reason to exist except as a device to show Jack is gay. If it was a girl, it would be weird and pointless to show Jack having 30 year old picture of his ex who got married long ago."

"The problem with Vincent is he has no reason to exist except as a device to show Jack is gay."

This is exactly my issue, and it's the same reason why I don't like Emily.

[frosty shell]

If it was a girl, it would be weird and pointless to show Jack having 30 year old picture of his ex who got married long ago.

I don't think this is the case; it's would make just as much sense to have the bit in if Soldier's old flame was a girl

The bit doesn't just show Jack's sexuality; it also explains why he hasn't gotten into any long-term relationships since then

[white cobalt]

why a girl would be different?

[dire timber]

I don't hear such complaints about Sam or Ingrid

even though they only exist as spouse/parent

[worthy rose]

Clearly blizzard wanted to release this a long time ago. But in the same comic from Dec 2016 they also released that tracer is gay. It would be too much of a hit if they released both of them as being gay. So my guess is that they put a little hint in there for later use.

[valid shell]

Reflections is likely when they made the decision, since I think it was around that time they announced that more than one hero currently on the roster is LGBT.

[white cobalt]

But anyways, every time i came here always we bring Soldier's sexuality, and im more interested on the bits of lore

Like Prague incident, Rio de Janeiro mission

[worthy rose]

See, people saying it came out of no where are full of themselves.

Something i dont agree on is how blizzard introduced him. They should have implimented vincent into the story more

[white cobalt]

even Cairo

Ana and Jack knows about the whereabouts of Rein and Angela

[regal coyote]

i actually like it that way

it tells the story of a tired man

and just like sam, the depandas of the overwatch team does not have to be combatants

being in action is a tiring stressful things

not everyone want to be into that

[peak escarp]

since I think it was around that time they announced that more than one hero currently on the roster is LGBT.

[regal coyote]

so yeah, it is normal for character's mates to be on the sideline

[peak escarp]

they said Overwatch had multiple LGBT members at a Q&A panel in 2015

[regal coyote]

hey ingrid is on the sideline too

[white cobalt]

Also, makes me wonder, does Mercy knows if Ana is alive?

Because she doesnt know about Jack

[regal coyote]

no

[white cobalt]

Both are considered dead

[regal coyote]

all 3

[valid shell]

I would say only Jack, Gabe, and Fareeha know that Ana is alive.

...S

[regal coyote]

and sam

[valid shell]

Sombra too.

Probably.

[regal coyote]

phatah would tell sam

[valid shell]

@regal coyote She hasn't.

[worthy rose]

Wait so if mei was actually in overwatch, the organization, and was frozen until present time. Would she be old like the others?

[regal coyote]

"would"

it a matter of time pharah tell

her meeting with sam is sorta ... i dont know

[peak escarp]

Mei was frozen 9 years ago

she was 31 when she was frozen

[valid shell]

But Sam explicitly doesn't know.

[regal coyote]

but judging from bestat in the time of reflections pharah already knows ana is alive?

either that or she is away so she did not get ana's letter yet until she is abck to egypt

[valid shell]

"Pharah: Mum, don't you think it's time you told Sam you're alive?
Ana: You let me worry about what your father needs to know."

[regal coyote]

that is a voiceline

[valid shell]

It represents canon.

Sam does not know.

[regal coyote]

it would be true at some point in time, but we did not know WHEN

[valid shell]

Currently.

[peak escarp]

Ana sighed. “She never responded to my first letter.”

Ana sent a letter to Pharah

[regal coyote]

"current" has to be defined

[valid shell]

Until the line is removed or contradicted, we can consider it canon that Sam doesn't know. Don't go splitting hairs about this.

[peak escarp]

Pharah did not respond, which means either she read it and didn't answer, or hasn't read it yet

[valid shell]

It's already vague enough.

[regal coyote]

problem is we do not know when that letter is sent

[valid shell]

Don't doubt things we actually do know.

[white cobalt]

What Six said

[peak escarp]

it was sent before the events of Old Soldiers

[white cobalt]

im in the later

[regal coyote]

cause the event of bestat is around refletcion, when it comes to the vincent and letter moment

the event of old soldiers seems to be a few days before reflecitions

so if it was sent that day then pharah might be on vacation in canada already

[peak escarp]

Bastet covers about 3 weeks of time

[regal coyote]

assume she take like a week long time off

yes, the reflection would be in the first week

[peak escarp]

Soldier spends 2 days sleeping, probably a few more recovering/arguing about taking down Hakim

then they stake out Hakim for about a week (during which the conversation about photos happens)

[regal coyote]

so the picture would be around the 4-5th day of his recovery

where he starts the stick out

[peak escarp]

One week later, Ana and Jack were packing up the necropolis base.

[regal coyote]

after they get the appartment for lookout

[peak escarp]

so roughly 3 weeks

[regal coyote]

after 3 weeks they mov eout having taken care of hakim problem

[peak escarp]

yes

[regal coyote]

so yeah we dont know if pharah get to read the first letter and respond yet

and by the time pharah got the snd letter they gone

but does pharah know about the overwatch regroup from the second letter though

and what exactly is in the 2nd letter

[white cobalt]

Second letter what?

[regal coyote]

ana second letter to pharah

the one that would mention things like relics in the tomb

[peak escarp]

it wasn't really a letter

“I… left her a message,” Ana said.```

[smoky delta]

We probably something only fareeha would notice

Like a symbol or something

*was not we

Something symbolic ya know

[drowsy frigate]

Isn't Pharah soldier's daughter ?

[peak escarp]

no

Soldier doesn't have any children

she's Ana's daughter

[drowsy frigate]

i thought she was soldier and ana's daughter i guess i was wrong

[peak escarp]

nope

[drowsy frigate]

thx fellas

[peak escarp]

her dad is a man named Sam from Canada

[distant raptor]

gay

[worthy rose]

yes

[ashen rain]

@drowsy frigate Well now that we know Soldier is gay....that’s impossible haha.

[lusty helm]

Pharah's father was depicted in a spray in game a while ago lol. :)

[pliant sparrow]

So is orisa a legal protector of Numbani?

Or does she count as a vigilante of sorts

[valid shell]

We don't know atm.

[reef thicket]

inb4 police go after her

she just guns them down

[lean prawn]

just some headcanon, but efi was able to acquire or15 parts for orisa's construction from the city itself, so i think that the city is willing to tolerate their shenanigans unless it gets out of hand

[river mason]

I’m just mad about the soldier 76 thing.

[keen blade]

why

[river mason]

If I said why I would offend tons of people and get banned

[keen blade]

ok

[reef thicket]

i mean

if ur agaisnt gays thats your opinion

if people shout at you for it they should fuck off

we're all entitled to our own opinions

[river mason]

Wow I genuinely thought I was gonna get called a low life for that.

[keen blade]

yikes

[sly socket]

Why is Soldier sexuality such a hot topic?? It literally doesn't affect his character in any way...

[keen blade]

yeah exactly

[pearl blade]

As long as you aren't harassing people for it then you're ok

[lusty helm]

^

:)

[river mason]

Yeah I’m not harassing anyone. I just have my own opinion and beliefs on the topic

[lean prawn]

yeah but why is reinhardt bad at stealth

[pliant sparrow]

I know right

[lean prawn]

stealth comes in all sizes smh

[pliant sparrow]

He’s like the hardest character to track in game

[reef thicket]

teag

yeah

[lusty helm]

💙💜💚 until he's smooshing you into a wall lol

[reef thicket]

one moment hes ther

the next hes gone

[lean prawn]

stealthy 6 feet tall armour-clad elderly germans need representation too

[pliant sparrow]

And the next you’re mush on a wall

[lusty helm]

xD that's why i mained him first. Now I need to play again. And his lore is some of my favorite

[pliant sparrow]

Rein is a full blown ninja

He’s German usain bolt

He’s the incarnation of stealth

[valid shell]

Wow this turned into a memescape fast.

Let's keep on topic.

[tough ridge]

Of lore? Lore question then, who is the new hero everyone is talking about this robot cowboy thing?

[reef thicket]

??

[limpid agate]

@tough ridge Did you watch McCrees short

[tough ridge]

Yes

Thats the character im referring too

The one in the payload

Whats his story?

[sly socket]

B.O.B.?

[tough ridge]

Nope

[reef thicket]

Echo?

Echo is a hero in the future

not 30 but sometime after that

[tough ridge]

Echo thats it!

[reef thicket]

its a robot controlled by some AI that mcree activates with the chip

we don't know much about her yet but her model was used in concept art before

[heady jasper]

Why lucio and mercy?

Why?

Why?

[reef thicket]

why what

[heady jasper]

Plz explain lore nerds

[reef thicket]

???

[heady jasper]

Why are they together

[sly socket]

What?

[heady jasper]

Wait sorry I meant d.va

[sly socket]

Lucio and D.Va aren't in a relationship.

[reef thicket]

i think hes shitposting

[limpid agate]

Or read to o much fanart and things is real

I've seen that here before

[reef thicket]

oof

[limpid agate]

Lucio is not in a relationship with anyone we know

[reef thicket]

fanfiction is real isnt it togavia?

wtf

[limpid agate]

Don't start

[reef thicket]

i thought mercy and pharah were a thing???

XD

kidding

[limpid agate]

Don't

[reef thicket]

xddd

and tracer is dating a woman xD

Oh wait thats canon

[limpid agate]

@reef thicket Final warning

[reef thicket]

😦

I got a lore question though

if widow misses / regrets? killing gerad why does she still work for talon / is an assassin

[peak escarp]

she would have nowhere to go even if she could leave

she's a wanted assassin

she also enjoys killing, and Talon facilitates that

so in that sense she's like an addict

[reef thicket]

oh..

hm

if anyone in talon could ever be reeded i wonder if it could be her

addictions can be cured

[valid shell]

Reeded?

[reef thicket]

redeemed

sorry

[tough ridge]

I could see overwatch taking her in

[reef thicket]

first she'd need to be fixed though

since hes

unstable

[magic shoal]

Broke back mountain!

[peak escarp]

no

[dull shadow]

do we have really any lore on Zenyatta?

[fair widget]

he helped genji

that’s basically it

zenyatta is amongst the most loreless

next to lucio

but zenyatta is below him by far so

[hasty pebble]

poor zen

[worthy rose]

big ghey

[limpid agate]

@dull shadow You can read his bio, and aside from that and what was mentioned

Hes lacking

Bio can be found at

!!loreHeroes

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more about the heroes of Overwatch, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/

[umbral fiber]

Is it cruel that I kinda want a side story where a mission gets personal for Tracer? Meaning like either Emily is caught up in something as collatoral or Talon directly targets her to get to Tracer?

I mean it could work for Torb too with his family, or now Jack with Vincent too

Just everyone knows Emily so it'd seemingly have more of an impact. Though I guess using a lesser known one would be better too

Because right now....eh, maybe I'm sadistic, but there's no personal goal for most of the Overwatch returners, and/or no consequences for returning.

I guess the consequences is the bigger one.

[lean prawn]

i don't want them to damsel emily in the story

[pastel steppe]

the soldier one would be interesting since Vincent has moved on and Talon trying to mess with Jack by kidnapping him

[fair widget]

pretty interesting point that there’s nothing personal for the returners

hadn’t thought of that

[reef thicket]

maybe talon goes after pharah aswell

she can fight but

agaisnt a bunch of talon soliders / reaper moira widow etc

doubt she would survive

[fair widget]

that would be interesting

[reef thicket]

and since ana is like

a big person in the story atm

[fair widget]

soldier would care about that as well so they could both be used

mercy even

everyone lol

[reef thicket]

yeah mercy loses her flygirl 😦

well

tbf

does

mercy even know pharah

ingame they are best buds but do they even know eachother in lore xD

[peak escarp]

they met when Pharah was 12 and Mercy was 17

and as far as we know, they haven't met since

[reef thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9Icv5PJCY

new omnic tank hero?

owo

and ohn

[fair widget]

feel like mercy’s the kinda gal to care even if she did only meet her once as a youngen

[peak escarp]

the fact that they only met when Pharah was a child makes any relationship between them kinda weird

[reef thicket]

...

who said anything about a relationship

xD

[fathom elm]

likenah

[worthy rose]

says the pharmacy shippers

[reef thicket]

Game //////// Lore

and like doc said

if mercy and pharah were dating it would be weird af

considering mercy met her as a kid..

[pearl blade]

I don't think it would be weird if they got really close and met later, maybe after overwatch fell

[worthy rose]

Just the fact thet they met when one of them was a kid makes it pretty weird

[reef thicket]

^

i mean it wouldnt be illegal or anything like that but

just a bit.. weird

[umbral fiber]

Thanks Disney

[peak escarp]

what does Disney have to do with it?

[frank moat]

Was soldier 76 just confirmed to be gay? I’m confused about the sudden influx of art. Did an American state just legalise gay marriage?

[reef thicket]

yeah

solider

just got confirmed gay

[pallid crag]

Yes he was just confirmed to be gay

[reef thicket]

in a new short story

[frank moat]

Oh sweet. Like one of the comics?

Thanks for telling me I was really confused

[worthy rose]

oh did i spell it wrong hm

there was a short story

[frank moat]

Where was it released?

[worthy rose]

on the official Twitter

[frank moat]

Oh cool thanks

[worthy rose]

https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1082351191072202753?s=19

[peak escarp]

!!Bastet

[twilit nacelle]

Read Bastet here: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM

[worthy rose]

wh that's what i put and it didn't work.. rude boy

bot

not boy

lmao

[peak escarp]

because you don't have permission to use that command and I do

[reef thicket]

!!help

[worthy rose]

oh lame

[reef thicket]

..

doc is a special "trusted" boi

[worthy rose]

"trusted"

[peak escarp]

"boi"

[reef thicket]

?

are u a girl

[peak escarp]

yes

[reef thicket]

LOL

wtf

[worthy rose]

"girl"

[reef thicket]

mInD bLoWn

why are u

[worthy rose]

pfft what whu

[reef thicket]

...

[worthy rose]

why*

[reef thicket]

doctor then

isnt doctor a

wait

[worthy rose]

girls can't be doctors anymore yall you heard it here

[reef thicket]

....

[worthy rose]

LOL

[reef thicket]

im

idk

im just

my brain is having a meltdown

xD

over

the word doctor

👌

[peak escarp]

I don't know

how is Angela a doctor?

or Mei

[reef thicket]

shush

i just

googled mercys wiki

idk why but i thought only males were classed as "Doctors"

im dumb

sorry

[peak escarp]

wow

[worthy rose]

Sometimes you think random things at random times that have no base in reality

Be glad it happened here rather than in reality

[reef thicket]

xd

[worthy rose]

It's happened to me a couple times

[frank moat]

Angela is a Doctor mei is a scientist

Yeah

[reef thicket]

yeah i was

gonna say mei isnt a doctor

or well i thought she was a scientist not a doc xD

[gleaming aurora]

She is

[worthy rose]

probably not a medical doctor

[reef thicket]

shes neither

[worthy rose]

I'd estimate 90% chance of a PhD

[reef thicket]

shes satan.

[worthy rose]

in heresy then

[reef thicket]

mei is the only person in ow i genuinely hate

[white cobalt]

not related to lore.

[peak escarp]

Mei has a doctorate

she is not a medical doctor

Moira calls her "Dr. Zhou" in a voice line

[worthy rose]

good to know that

[reef thicket]

why?

[peak escarp]

why what?

[reef thicket]

Oh

wait

Moira calls Mei dr Zhou?

ah

[peak escarp]

yes

[reef thicket]

i thought u meant herself

i was like ??? thats not her name xD

is moira a doctor

or just a scientist

[worthy rose]

Probably a doctor

[reef thicket]

nvm

Geneticist

nah

[worthy rose]

She is working in the medical field

[reef thicket]

her wiki has nothing

about doctor

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[peak escarp]

she might have had her doctorate revoked

is that a thing that happens?

[worthy rose]

I think so

But this is 60 years in the future, so anything could have happened

[reef thicket]

do we know of

...

do we know what happened to any of the animals moira experimented on

did any become like

mini fluffy reapers

xD

[peak escarp]

we know the rabbit she was testing on in her origin trailer survived her experiments

[reef thicket]

ooh

what happened to it then

or dont we know

[peak escarp]

don't know

just that it survived

[reef thicket]

would be funny if its somewhere hopping around

and going into wraith form every so often

[peak escarp]

little bit of trivia from Chu

https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1082722544673685504

Michael Chu 🎉💼 (@westofhouse)

@FreckledMcCree I was intending it to be the Temple of Dendur (Jack probably doesn’t remember the name though).

Twitter

[reef thicket]

?

what temple

[peak escarp]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/547802

in "Bastet" Jack says he remembered going to a museum exhibit with his mom when he was a kid

[reef thicket]

ooh

hm

how many years ago

was the omnic crisis again?

[peak escarp]

30 years before Recall

[reef thicket]

30

oh

so moria would've been

19?

hm

[peak escarp]

18

[reef thicket]

oh

wait

[peak escarp]

she's 48 I think

[reef thicket]

shes 49 isnt she

?

no

shes 49 according to wiki

wait..

oh nvm your right

48 yeah

wonder how her childhood was

since she grew up during the omnic crisis

also i wonder what orisa would think of OR14's

and or what OR14's would think of Orisa

if there were any left that could actually meet her

[peak escarp]

she was an adult by the time the crisis broke out

I'd be more concerned about people like McCree, Ashe and Widowmaker

[reef thicket]

?

it ended when she was 18

[peak escarp]

who were children during the crisis

[reef thicket]

when did the omnic crisis start?

[peak escarp]

30 years ago

it ended about 25 years ago

[reef thicket]

ooh

ah then ye

why would she be concered about those 3?

they prob would've had 0 ties to her

at that age

[peak escarp]

no, I would be concerned

because they were children during wartime

Angela too - she lost her parents to the war

and Sombra

[reef thicket]

ah right

[peak escarp]

Sombra probably lost hers at a very young age

Angela was probably old enough to remember her parents

[reef thicket]

probably but

she probably looks on the brighter side of life

rather than dwelling on the past

[peak escarp]

yeah

[reef thicket]

which is why she is like

an angel i guess?

[peak escarp]

turn her loss into motivation to save other people

[reef thicket]

aye

to stop them from going through the pain she had to go through

either that or she just forgot about her parents / doesn't think about it

is moira the only person angela hates?

or does she somewhat dislike ana aswell

for using her technology without mercys permission

[worthy rose]

ana is supposed to be dead

[reef thicket]

oh yeah

only solider knows shes alive

WELL

rein does say ingame "Ana? i thought you were dead!"

but uh

i dont think thats canon right?

[peak escarp]

correct

[reef thicket]

lmfao

i saw that pic

[peak escarp]

he doesn't know

[worthy rose]

that's approximately what would happen if it happened

[reef thicket]

whoever posted it

[orchid perch]

tis was me

[peak escarp]

Rein would have a meltdown

[reef thicket]

XD

[orchid perch]

why cant i upload pictures

[reef thicket]

only trusted can post pics

to avoid nsfw / shitposting n stuff

[orchid perch]

sad

[reef thicket]

which that pic is shitposting so

i suggest not posting it

[orchid perch]

well proven fact the badass character soldier 76 is queer

[reef thicket]

...and?

[orchid perch]

nothing?

[reef thicket]

idk

[orchid perch]

just giving u some good lore stuff

[reef thicket]

u make it sound like that makes him into a total pussy

[orchid perch]

lmfao

[reef thicket]

xd

[orchid perch]

i think u make it sound like that

ur the one who read it like that not me

[reef thicket]

..

[peak escarp]

did you read the short story?

lots of good lore in there

[worthy rose]

Most of it not about sexual orientation

[orchid perch]

yep i did

[reef thicket]

i dont really like reading tbf

[orchid perch]

tis was pretty intresting

[peak escarp]

I loved the dynamic between Ana and Jack

[reef thicket]

not my kindof thing although

i do like lore

so im trying to catch up with most of it

[peak escarp]

and hearing about other missions was nice

more stuff to build on later

[worthy rose]

lots of Archives material

[reef thicket]

eh

i'd rather have

talon archives tbf

than some middle eastern mission

or wherever this "mission" would take place

[peak escarp]

Prague isn't in the middle east

[worthy rose]

not another geography discussion

[reef thicket]

lmfao

[peak escarp]

and Archives is supposed to be the Overwatch archives - I don't think they're going to do any missions where you play as any group other than Overwatch

[reef thicket]

nah im googling it its ok

remind me of rialto

prague that is

well

Overwatch Archives could mean Overwatch as in game title

or like u said it could mean actually Overwatch

where does t says its called overwatch archives actually

all i can find is "Archives"

and the names of Uprising and Retribution

nvm

found it on the official page

[peak escarp]

Experience pivotal moments from history in Overwatch Archives. Join a team of four heroes and participate in cooperative, story-driven missions that give you a new perspective on the era before the fall of Overwatch.

I guess they could change the description if they add different types of missions

[reef thicket]

ye

idk

it would be cool if they added

a talon mission

instead of just overwatch after overwatch after overwatch

give us some new spicy Talon lore

probably me just being pro talon because i like talon more but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid agate]

Talon raiding OW would be thematic with the event

[reef thicket]

solider does say

in his animated short story cinematic thing..

it was a conspiracy, overwatch was hit from inside and outside

So that "outside"

could've been talon

and the inside is like

reyes / moira betraying jack / overwatch

[peak escarp]

or other moles

[reef thicket]

yeah

overwatch had

footsoliders aswell right?

or just general cannon fodder

pilots engineers soliders etc

[worthy rose]

yes

[pearl blade]

I'd assume so

[reef thicket]

talon attacking ow hq during the whole HQ explosion thing does sound logical

• doomfist could be there since he was only inprisoned after the fall of the OW hq

[worthy rose]

especially if it was coordinated with Reyes

[reef thicket]

only problem is

theres like 6 possible heroes that could be there

wait..

no 5

[worthy rose]

Df, Widow, Reyes, and Moira

[reef thicket]

sombra

?

[worthy rose]

Nah, probably not dedicated enough to attack the primary HQ of the most powerful organization on the planet

[reef thicket]

xD

i can just imagine her being like "ehehehe.. no"

although

[worthy rose]

And that's assuming Moira is actually with Talon, which I'd rate a 50/50

[reef thicket]

sombra could be sortof like an announcer and is doing stuff around the map you play in

[worthy rose]

that might work

[reef thicket]

just like in infiltration

where shes letting widow and reaper in

[worthy rose]

But you'd end up splitting the team into Reyes fighting 76 and the others doing other, separate, things

[reef thicket]

yeah plus how'd you even fight jack

are they just two guys upstairs

shooting at eachother for like 10 mins

lmfao

"Why wont you die"

"Why wont you die?!"

[worthy rose]

"no u"?

[reef thicket]

lmfao

another solve to that problem is

it could be

DF Moira Sombr and Widow

reyes on radio every so often

while fighting jack

[worthy rose]

I still can't see an infiltration-esque mission without having to split the party for different jobs

They'd probably have to introduce more Talon heroes before this becomes viable.

[reef thicket]

well

we only have until

april

which is like 3 months away

[worthy rose]

This probably won't become the next Archives mission

[reef thicket]

so i doubt we'll be getting an entire team full of heroes in that time

especially a full team of talons

[peak escarp]

Archives missions have been 4-player missions so far

even Junkenstein was 4-player

I think they will keep that going forward

[worthy rose]

The problem is that Moira might not be in Talon, leaving them without a healer

[peak escarp]

they could figure out a way to do a mission without a healer

[reef thicket]

well

[peak escarp]

like having health packs, or healing areas

[reef thicket]

they'd have to give them someway to heal

unless it just becomes a ress fest

[worthy rose]

Mercy-like regen?

[reef thicket]

yeah

thats what im thinking

[worthy rose]

or just spam rez

[reef thicket]

but idk if they'd do that considering both archives so far had healers

yeah but

that would make it less fun

having to fucking

ress ur team all the time

xD

especially since they are all dps

[limpid agate]

Jeff confirmed comics are coming, and hero 30 is very far along

[peak escarp]

was this on the stream?

[limpid agate]

Frans yes

[peak escarp]

nice

I guess he didn't say when

aside from Soon™

[hasty surge]

There was a stream with jeff???

[white cobalt]

Fran and emongg

[white cobalt]

Are those assets news?

The ones in anubis

[peak escarp]

I think people are saying they've seen them before

[white cobalt]

That's what I'm reading in the comments

[limpid agate]

They're from long before launch

Its to set up Echo as 31, I thinl

[peak escarp]

Chu confirmed that the photo in Reflections and the photo in Bastet are supposed to be the same photo

in case there was any question

[hasty surge]

Why do we think echo is 31 and not 32 or 33?

[silent wigeon]

Just read the lore on Talon and holy shirt it is intense! Also is the gameplay canonical to lore? I mean you have Reaper and Winston on the same team and didn’t Doomfist cause Tracer to disappear again?

[terse oak]

Gameplay isn't canon

[silent wigeon]

Cool. Is Tracer ok? :C

[hasty surge]

Doomfist caused Tracer to disappear again???????

[iron plume]

yes, she is

she didn't "disappear", just got unstable when he tore off the stabilizer

[silent wigeon]

Ah.

[iron plume]

Winston repaired it

[silent wigeon]

Thanks

[worthy rose]

TBH I loved that moment when Doomfist figured her out

and yeeted that shit off her back

[hasty surge]

When was it??

Was it the fight agaunst doomfist with tracer genji and winston?

[worthy rose]

yeah

When doomfist just stood there

figured out her pattern

and ripped that shit off he rback

[spare ice]

i cant belive that soldier is gay

[dire timber]

we're all soldiers now

[paper sonnet]

Hey. Freddy Mercury was gay. And that dude was loaded with pure epic power.

Literally unstoppable.

[hasty surge]

Soldier's idea was borrowed from one of the employee's idea

[iron plume]

Every character is some writer's idea

[hasty surge]

Did they ask him on his opinion on soldier's development

[iron plume]

but yes, Soldier is a pre-Overwatch OC of Metzen

and they did

it wouldn't have happened if they didn't

[hasty surge]

Still an unexpected twist

[dire timber]

I love it

[iron plume]

not sure why we needed to know but okay

[fair widget]

"lore discussion"

[terse oak]

Moving on

[dire timber]

@iron plume needed to know what?

[iron plume]

that wasn't to you, it was to a since deleted message

[dire timber]

ah, alright

[crisp kayak]

I think its good that soldier 76 is gay

[limpid agate]

@eternal lichen No advertising

[wind palm]

I am so Fucking happy that soldier 76 is gay. Like, so happy. My only thought is that he could either be gay or bi

[worthy rose]

eh dunno why people get so excited about a digital person sexuality or skin color

[dusky mica]

I mean Im all for diversity and gay characters in games and other media, but it feels a bit forced. Like a PR stunt.

[chilly peak]

maybe it is forced, but not THAT much like inDisney or EA

[dusky mica]

for tracer the build up to the reveal was natural and it made sense

this just came out of nowhere

like ''oh hey, btw we decided that soldier is gay ok bye''

[chilly peak]

but you know, we can type same thing "oh hey btw, widow had husband ok bye"

[limpid agate]

The difference is, Vincent is a meaningless character

Gerard is a major npc

[chilly peak]

it is true, so it's important to give Vincent some meaning

like actual part of OW's plot

[limpid agate]

Please no

There's no need to force meaningless NPCs into the plot.

[worthy rose]

i dont wanna sound homophobic but who the fuck cares about vincent

[limpid agate]

We dont need to see Emily or Sam or Ingrid be forced in either

[worthy rose]

i think i don't wanna see anymore characters added

just try to finish the lore quickly because it's becoming very boring for me

all the wait has just made me bored of it

[sly socket]

I don't want anymore unnecessary characters

Like, did we really need Ashe?

[chilly peak]

I'm sure that Vincent's part is already settled

[limpid agate]

No one, he isn't important. He just exists as a surrogate to show that Soldier is gay. He doesn't offer a contribution to his character or development, or the plot as a whole. He's just there so they can show he is gay without tarnishing Jack's identity rather than just Tweet it.

We will likely never hear of him again

[worthy rose]

and honestly no more relationships suprise reveals anymore , at best try to build a relationship between 2 characters as the lore progresses

[limpid agate]

@sly socket Not really, but she set to more Deadlock

[tough ridge]

Ashe may have given Mcree more depth too, theres something between them

They have a past of some sort obviously

[fair widget]

they were never romantic

[limpid agate]

Ashe didnt develop McCree, McCree developed Ashe

[chilly peak]

I'd like to see McCree convincing her to join new Overwatch

[tough ridge]

Yes but it gives us more on Mcree as well

[limpid agate]

I would not

She's a violation

Villain*

It should stay that way

[tough ridge]

Mcree was too at one point

[fair widget]

i dont want her to be part of either overwatch or talon but if i had to choose affiliation with talon makes sense

[limpid agate]

Not to the viewer, no

To us he was always a hero

[chilly peak]

I'm not saying she will join OW. But it looks like McCree will try. And he will fail

[fair widget]

it really doesnt

[tough ridge]

Viewer no but he was a outlaw in the past, so I could see Ashe changing as well

[fair widget]

he doesnt seem keen on rejoining himself

[limpid agate]

@chilly peak McCree doesn't even think he is good enough for Overwatch

[fair widget]

let alone convincing her

[limpid agate]

why would he ever bother asking Ashe

[tough ridge]

Winston gonna recruit them all, have you seen the monkey? Hes adorable

[fair widget]

he is, he's doing his best to

[tough ridge]

I feel like hes the character that will end up being the Yoda or Gandalf, not the main character but the one the main characters seek advise from

[chilly peak]

@limpid agate he's just playing badass 😂

[fair widget]

winston or mccree? @tough ridge

[tough ridge]

Winston

[fair widget]

true

i think he is near that already

except hes also a bad ass himself

[chilly peak]

a moral compass

[limpid agate]

He's not. He didn't have a high opinion of himself

[tough ridge]

Winston?

[fair widget]

mccree

lol

[limpid agate]

McCree

[tough ridge]

Oh yea

[chilly peak]

xD two topics at the same time

[fair widget]

too much lore? unheard of

[tough ridge]

GIVE ME ALL THE LORE

[fair widget]

i like to think mccree will tag along with whatever they get up to when theyre back together

think/hope

[tough ridge]

I think Mcree will join overwatch and it will be in some way to reconcile the blackwatch shinanigans, but also cause hes a swell guy

[fair widget]

uhm

not so sure about the blackwatch thing

but he is a swell guy

[tough ridge]

Just my thoughts

[fair widget]

that's fair

they all kind of hate eachother though

minus genji and mccree

[tough ridge]

Also think winston and soldier will be the ones that convince him

[fair widget]

i think theyre positive / indifferent

and obviously moira and reaper dont hate eachother

but... blackwatch as a whole?

[dusky mica]

@chilly peak there

oh youre here

lovely

I was eating dinner so I couldnt respond earlier

[chilly peak]

I think McCree blames himself that he didn't see Gabriel's change

[fair widget]

is anyone else hoping for short stories and limited time epic skins will become a frequent thing?

[sly socket]

They probably will

[fair widget]

i'd like for the next to continue on from bastet with ana tricking jack into meeting with angela and it being based around her

[chilly peak]

everyone is hoping for it 😄

[fair widget]

but that would be dragging out the same story without hopping to another which is unlikely

true true lol

he says he doesnt want to meet with her but in the same story ana also drugged him to sleep and convinced him to camp in cairo for months when it was heavily told he hated staying in the same place for even a day

[tough ridge]

Who is Angela?

[fair widget]

so im hopeful

mercy

[tough ridge]

Ohhhhh

[limpid agate]

!!loreHeroes

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more about the heroes of Overwatch, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/

[limpid agate]

You might need this

[fair widget]

not trying to be obnoxious sorry.. reading bastet got me on first name head space

but yeah ^^

[tough ridge]

No its why im here, i love overwatch but as yall can tell i dont know much lore wise

[fair widget]

maybe obvious advice but start by reading every hero bio, then all comics, then watching the shorts and then reading the newest short story

at least the hero bios

[dire timber]

@limpid agate I don't understand your take on Vincent

like, how is he different than Sam or Ingrid?

it's just expanding on a character's background

[fair widget]

he's in the past and has no ties with jack current day

so i understand

he's important to know about but he doesn't need to be brought up much more..

especially since he's married. jack isn't going to go and be a homewrecker just for story

maybe as motivation for jack but nothing else going forwards probably

[dire timber]

well, it's basically the same with Sven, and yet people still thought he's going to be a hero

a minor character from a hero's background

these characters just happen to exist, and I don't get why people seem to act so bitter about that

[fair widget]

well it's up to everyones interpretation how big a minor character will be i suppose

[limpid agate]

It's not. If he was a girl I would still think he's useless

[chilly peak]

I'm afraid that Blizzard eventually have to give up on many heroes' story development. There are too many characters.
Or we will have to wait for like years to see anything big about Zenyatta or Symmetra

[fair widget]

but i can't imagine for of vincent

[limpid agate]

But I wouldn't have to say it because people wouldn't be taking about her

[dire timber]

why? they were talking about their past relationships

[keen blade]

i should be here more

[fair widget]

huh

you should @keen blade

[limpid agate]

Distant past that doesn't effect anything.

[dire timber]

Ana mentioned Sam, Jack mentioned Vincent

and they mentioned Gabriel's family as well

[fair widget]

i think the difference that severs vincent from coming up again in the future of overwatch is that hes happily married and there's nothing jack can do

[limpid agate]

I'm not disagreeing they're also useless

[crisp kayak]

I got the spray it's so cool

[fair widget]

mostly ^

[limpid agate]

The only important relationship is Gerard

[fair widget]

ana has intention of maybe contacting sam but im with togavia in that even if she does.... it'll just be that

he's not going to become anything

im sure they have way way way way too many hero and character ideas to take "anas ex and pharahs dad" any further than just that

[limpid agate]

All 5 relationships exist for a reason

Gerard is important to Widowmakers core identity

Sam/Ingrid further the family aspect

But adding the third member

Emily/Vincent were the best option for showing the sexuakity of their heroes without compromising their character identity

[fair widget]

it would be a pretty huge oversight if they gave us a father and daughter and never even named the mother.. but the game isnt "the lindholms"

[limpid agate]

They were made for a reason

But there but important overall

[fair widget]

lore vs story

they have no significant impact on the story

but they are... lore

that made no sense but hopefully you get it

[deft peak]

wait is Mercy gay too?

[fair widget]

enough

nothing has been said on mercys sexuality

[deft peak]

what's this moircy thing I'm seeing in #fanart

[fair widget]

fan art

made by fans

[dire timber]

only Tracer and Soldier: 76 have so far been confirmed to be gay

[fair widget]

nothing official

[dire timber]

everything else is fanfiction and speculation

[deft peak]

so the rest are straight until said otherwise or something?

[dire timber]

no

[fair widget]

....

no

[dire timber]

the rest are unknown until said otherwise

[fair widget]

^^^

[deft peak]

right

that makes sense

[dire timber]

Ana, Torbjorn, and Widowmaker each entered a straight marriage at some point

[deft peak]

oh right

mcree too

[fair widget]

mccree hasnt been confirmed to have ever been married

he was never romantically tied with ash, they were like family

[deft peak]

has had a romantic history with ashe in the past

oh

[chilly peak]

he wasn't in romantic relationship with ashe

[deft peak]

thought I saw them together in a picture with a heart on it or something

in the cinematic

[fair widget]

the picture from the short? i dont recall the heart

[dire timber]

haven't seen any hearts?

I do think they had a thing for each other

[fair widget]

but either way.. hearts can be platonic

[deft peak]

ah ok

[fair widget]

or well yeah.. "a thing"

but nothing confirmed except they were never together

[dire timber]

but they weren't actually in a relationship

[fair widget]

i think a close family bond between non family members is a nice story

so i think it's sweet left at that

despite current day relations

[deft peak]

michael chu apparently said its ''complicated''

so maybe they weren't a couple per se but there's good chemistry between the two, they can really get each other going haha

anyways its not lore so I guess, we'll have to leave it at that for now

[fair widget]

https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1058930524121554945?s=19

[granite gazelle]

Oh

[fair widget]

"They're not dating, nor did they date in the past."

[white cobalt]

^

[deft peak]

people don't always date to be involved

[white cobalt]

...

[deft peak]

it happens

[granite gazelle]

Eh?

[fair widget]

he then also said that voice actors describing them as "ex lovers" was meant as more describing the energy than the actual relationship

so...

it's up to interpretation as is everything

but i think its clear

[chilly peak]

yup, poor words choice;p

that confused community

[deft peak]

we'll learn more about them in future I hope

[chilly peak]

like in 5 years ;_;

[deft peak]

:3

[granite gazelle]

New lore next year lol

[fair widget]

im hoping for a least one short story a month..... we'll see..

that's in amongst the other regular things

[wind palm]

@dusky mica even though, yes, I do agree with you it does feel a bit forced, I honestly thing it is better that thay do it now then trying to force it in to an event, like they did with tracer

[dusky mica]

the way they revealed it with tracer was a lot better

[fair widget]

it was essentially the exact same way

[dusky mica]

other than the fact that one came out a few months after launch and the other came out 3 years later.

[fair widget]

unsurprising with the roll out of overwatch lore

[deft peak]

i don't think it was forced at all.. literally just a bit of back story

[fair widget]

im with you

[dusky mica]

anyways, in my own opinion, I think that if they're going to introduce gay characters then they should add new heroes instead of changing the old ones.

[deft peak]

and that bit of information wasn't even the focal point of that story

[dusky mica]

in my opinion

[limpid agate]

They didn't change the old ones

[deft peak]

that's fair, i can understand that

[fair widget]

that's a fair opinion

[dusky mica]

they did change the old ones

[fair widget]

but im still happy with soldier76

they didnt change a single thing about him

[limpid agate]

they didn't change anything

[fair widget]

if he is gay now he was gay when the game released, you just didnt know

[limpid agate]

It went from unknown to gay

It was also twased two years ago

[dusky mica]

following that logic

[limpid agate]

teased*

[dusky mica]

genji is a transsexual woman

it just hasnt been confirmed yet

[limpid agate]

No

[fair widget]

🙄

genjis bio lists his as a male

[deft peak]

it doesn't work like that

[limpid agate]

That's not the same at all.

[deft peak]

that too

[fair widget]

so his gender is not unconfirmed

soliders bio never listed him as straight

it went from unknown, to known

[dusky mica]

every character in overwatch is gay in some way. we need diversity right guys

[static saddle]

Wow the lore channel is boooming

[fair widget]

at what point can moderators just ban?

im tired of this

[white cobalt]

Same

[reef thicket]

@limpid agate can u link where its tease

[deft peak]

not every character is gay, i don't understand the point of that comment

[fair widget]

it was teased in the relections comic @reef thicket

[reef thicket]

i keep hearing "its teased" again and again but never seen where xD

[limpid agate]

@reef thicket Reflections

[reef thicket]

oh

is it on the part where uh

u see widowmaker

[fair widget]

the same picture of vincent and solider from the short story is shown

[reef thicket]

and hanzo

etc

[white cobalt]

@reef thicket https://twitter.com/Laura_Pyon/status/1082815629843935232

Pyon ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Futanari Waifu (@Laura_Pyon)

@westofhouse Are they the same photo?

Twitter

[limpid agate]

Literally the scene in Bastet where Jack is gay is in Reflections

[reef thicket]

ooh

[deft peak]

what I'm more interested in is where the story is at present

was Mcree's cinematic set simulateously to the one where Mei gets a call from Winston?

where are all the characters now

[fair widget]

well..... we're still in the process of learning about what happened immediately after the recall cinematic that released when the game was out

[deft peak]

ah

damn

[fair widget]

mccree and meis i assume are around the same time timeline wise? more or less

both shortly after the recall cinematic

[deft peak]

i see

yea

[fair widget]

and now we know whats happening with solder ana and reaper post recall

with the old soldiers comic and now the bastet short story

i dont know if they have received note of the recall though?

they seem to be living as if they havent heard about it yet

but it is definitely after

[deft peak]

@limpid agate are the comics listed in pins in an order of plot? or just listed as they were released

what order should I read them

[limpid agate]

Release

[iron plume]

read them as released

[deft peak]

ok

[tough ridge]

Why is widows skin blue?

[iron plume]

you don't need to know anything from later ones to get the previous

[crisp kayak]

Why not.