the fact that you can't wrap your head around someone being gay without having inherently stereotypical "gay" traits is pretty bad tbqh
#lore-discussion
worldly flax
peak escarp
oh wait, are we not supposed to listen to girls in this community? ignore me then
pastel steppe
I dunno man people keep making claims that can't be backed up
worldly flax
anyway, if this convo can't remain civil and related to lore then it needs to stop
lusty helm
The fact that no one listened to the point I made makes you all naive. So. Back to lore.i guess.
worldly flax
ok
valid shell
Your point is they made a character gay during an era where it's actually acceptable to make a character gay.
Real roundhouse there.
lusty helm
Shh
valid shell
See, this is why nobody wants to talk to you.
lusty helm
You're talking to me ;) and now are blocked. Go back to lore talk
untold vessel
Who's the most developed character in Overwatch?
valid shell
Probably Genji, but we skipped all his development.
We just got snapshots of different stages of his development.
peak escarp
Reaper, Soldier, Tracer and Ana all have a lot of their stories fleshed out
low frigate
Roadhog, he once found a hook lying around
valid shell
Less memes please.
untold vessel
Lmao
valid shell
Don't encourage them.
peak escarp
if you want the hero with the highest percentage of their story known, it would be Orisa
untold vessel
Oh, sorry
peak escarp
since we know pretty much her entire life
valid shell
The most turnaround we've seen on-screen is probably Torbjorn.
untold vessel
What's this?
lusty helm
More junkrat lore would be the best tbh. :3
peak escarp
it's a timeline chart I made not too long ago
untold vessel
Oh you made this? Sweet!
peak escarp
showing what we know of each hero's timeline
valid shell
Junkrat's definitely got a big mystery in his pocket.
Can't wait for Blizzard to never show us.
barren arch
soldier is homosexual right
valid shell
@barren arch Correct.
pastel steppe
I dunno I wanna learn more about sym vishkar and lucio honestly
barren arch
cool
lusty helm
I feel junkrat and roadhog of the two that are most left out of the whole games lore and that's pretty sad. But eh. Lucio too!
pastel steppe
Or about roadhog
low frigate
A Lucio animated short would be sweet
untold vessel
Oh shit, what would it be about tho?
valid shell
A Lucio vs. Symmetra short would service them both.
valid shell
His father invented his sonic tech.
untold vessel
Yeah
valid shell
Yes, he stole it, because legally Vishkar owns the patents.
But he sees it has his by rights.
valid shell
Correct.
untold vessel
I see
valid shell
He opposes Vishkar's suppressive measures when rebuilding Brazil's infrastructure.
And likely taking advantage of his dad.
Oh, his skates are probably Vishkar hard-light tech, tho. He can't rationalize stealing those.
pastel steppe
I wonder how echo is gonna play a part in the story though
Since mcree said that overwatch needed her or something
untold vessel
I wonder if she's going to be a hero anytime soon
pastel steppe
I think blizzard said that she was one of the upcoming ones
pastel steppe
Aren't they working on 6 or 4 heroes rn?
valid shell
Neat to actually have a roadmap for an upcoming hero. We haven't had that since Doomfist dropped.
keen geyser
when dva mains dont dm pharah reaper ults and dont counter phraph when theres no hitscan 
valid shell
@keen geyser tf channel do you think you're in
worthy rose
the wrong one
hasty surge
what is this? age chart?
peak escarp
we know
worthy rose
over the last few hours, there have been about a dozen people coming in to confirm this
regal coyote
my second question is... will we be able to see vincent in s76's spray?
worthy rose
probably after the next major update
valid shell
@regal coyote We've been discussing it all day my dude.
regal coyote
well we know it after we read that, but chu confirming it is cool
also, imge collection for those who wants it.
round bough
Yaaay
lusty helm
I do love that Ana art.. I hope it'll be a skin :3
peak escarp
they have a model for it
I'd say it's almost certain we'll get it as a skin
and her Bastet icon
lusty helm
This would be the one to get me to replace the snow owl one I've been using since its release lol lol
peak escarp
I'd definitely use it over Shrike
peak escarp
done what?
regal coyote
regal coyote
it is new skin
peak escarp
they already have a model for it, so it's almost certain it will be in the game soon
regal coyote
kinda sad they decide to join new ow though
i am happier they stay in sideline and help in the shadow
like a mentor type
modest chasm
Dang, Ana skins are always the best
lean prawn
white and gold aren't the best for stealth
iron plume
they're alright if you're in a dusty desert city
daring marsh
Out of random why do blizzard make soldier gay?
Why wasn't he already gay in the lore from the start
This is an issue that overwatch seems to keep being successful at, putting out lore 20 years later at a super random time just to fill a 'content' hole
limpid agate
@daring marsh This is 2 years old
daring marsh
What is 2 years old?
daring marsh
That picture has a girl in it if I am not wrong
daring marsh
Ok, still proving my point though, why did it take them 2 long years to put out the rest of it LMAO
limpid agate
I am going to default to the same response of
Lore doesn't make money
They released a short story when morale was low to bring it up.
Which is a very low budget solution
They didnt even hire external writers/authors, just Chu/Tsang wrote and drew a few pictures
Tacked a skin on there to double as advertisement
daring marsh
And you do not think that this is a problem? lol
limpid agate
How do you mean
daring marsh
If lore doesn't make money scrap all of it and work on the game
limpid agate
Its certainly a valid business tactic.
peak escarp
also because Blizzard is playing the long game
they expect Overwatch to last 10+ years, so they're not going to give us all the lore up front
daring marsh
I really do not think that is the case
peak escarp
they're going to tease it out to keep us interested
daring marsh
I think they just can't produce enough at all
Like how long does it take them to make a short
Make balance changes
I am tired of it tbh
peak escarp
shorts take 12+ months to make
the devs that work on game balance aren't the ones who write the lore, and vice versa
one does not impact the other
daring marsh
They seriously take a fuck ton of time for everything though
It is a problem with the game as a whole
peak escarp
if you can't have patience maybe this isn't the game for you
daring marsh
...
How is waiting a whole entire year for 1 short, take 4 months to actually make real changes, and add 3 heroes a year not making me qualify as an impatient person like the thousands of others complaining as well
This isn't the right channel for this, so I will stop, but be real... you can't say that I am being impatient here lol
iron plume
you are being impatient
potent vault
"We're all soldiers now" ecksdee
iron plume
we have three heroes and three maps a year, which is a gameplay addition every two months
daring marsh
You think 3 heroes a year is good?
iron plume
the lore pace is slow, but we have the stable two shorts a year plus archives, and seem to be getting stories now
yes
trying more would be insane in OW
it's not a moba where you just move numbers around
daring marsh
We have very different view points
peak escarp
this is way more regular content than any other game I've played
iron plume
clearly, since mine actually make sense
daring marsh
What games are you playing?
peak escarp
most games just get one or two DLC updates and that's it
peak escarp
my point being, I've never played a game that regularly updated and gave us an ongoing story
so I think it's plenty
daring marsh
You aren't playing many games then?
How can not one game you played had regular updates lol
iron plume
you know how many heroes tf2 got since release
overwatch gets regular updates
it's not the same thing as moba-like hero spam
limpid agate
Given the genre
daring marsh
My point being, I am agreeing with the bigger portion from what I've seen out there, 3 heroes a year, and literally almost 0 lore info separated between many months on months, it isn't good
It is just my opinion
limpid agate
The only games with more frequent hero releases have less changes between heroes
Compare OW to Rainbow 6 or Quake Champions.
Rainbow 6 you get a couple different rifles and 1 gadget, but your animations are identical.
Quake Champions you get 1 passive 1 active, but your animations are very similar
peak escarp
I play things like Legend of Zelda or Assassin's Creed or Uncharted, where the story is completely contained within the game
and don't ever get content updates
limpid agate
Overwatch has a lot of unique animations and parts to its characters
And even if you want to look at story
I dont see any Rainbow 6 lore other than the short bios new ops get
Quake had paid comics at one point, and that was it.
potent vault
Paladins gets a hero every 2 weeks or smthn, but its always broken asf and buggy, and they nerf alot of characters in every patch, also their lore isn't... Lore and "events" for them is basically special skins you gotta buy with irl cash
daring marsh
Generally R6 has 8 operators, each one has a different background... but no real lore yeah
But tbf, 8 ops a year and it works
limpid agate
The 8 operators have shared animations
Its just the gun which is a differenet kid of rifle/pistol
And their 1 gadget
So releasing fewer heroes makes more sense given the difference in complexity and variability.
daring marsh
You guys are definitely very Overwatch biased, I don't really care anymore since I don't tend to have biases in a game unless they are 100% which is never, but I don't agree with a lot of Overwatches doings
limpid agate
potent vault
Wow, thats huge, we finally understand why reaper stalked this family.
peak escarp
it answered a few questions without raising too many more
potent vault
I want Vincent as hero 30
For no reason
He isn't a superhero or smthn as far as i'm aware
But I want him
limpid agate
He has just as much reason to be a hero as Emily or Ingrid
limpid agate
The Hamid namedrop makes me feel he is a lock for hero 30
peak escarp
he does seem more likely
valid shell
@potent vault If there's no reason, why do you want him to be playable?
lean prawn
does Hamid have a motivation to be a hero?
limpid agate
We dont know a thing about him from his perspective
Just that he is an archeologist in Petra with ties to the digsites in Greece and Thailand, as well as an apparent tie to Oasis. We also now know he is a professional known by Ana.
valid shell
We just know he's been loosely connected to multiple maps since launch.
And now connected to living centerpiece heroes.
past panther
Wait, is it a thing now that Soldier: 76 is gay/bisexual?
There's a thread in the OW forums where people posted stuff about that today/last night
Or was it just speculation
grand adder
yes its true
peak escarp
he was confirmed gay in the short story "Bastet"
past panther
Ok then. I guess that doesn't change his character all that much tbh.
Where can I see the short?
iron plume
read
and it's the second to last message in #overwatch-news
past panther
Alright, reading it now.
hasty surge
Is the family gabe looked at vincent?
dawn geyser
There's a Harry Potter spell called Afterthoughtus Diversitificus
limpid agate
@dawn geyser Final warning
iron plume
there's a spell called accessus lossus that'll be cast on you if you keep up the offtopic shitposting
dawn geyser
Ok
peak escarp
@hasty surge probably not
past panther
Could it be that they're trying to tie the relationship between Ana, Soldier, Gabriel/Reaper and Fareeha via Egyptian mythology?
dawn geyser
Technically that's bi not gay
limpid agate
So its not vincent
Vincent is gay and remaried
Reyes was married with a family (implies kids)
The family Reaper stalks is heterosexual and has a kid
Its likely Reaper's family, but its definitely not Vincent
past panther
Read the story, was well written
Really hope to get that skin for Ana, it looks so cool. Always been a fan of Egypthology and study of Ancient Egypt, at least in a casual way.
potent vault
He might identify but still be in a heterosexual relationship.
Due to family pressure
Or religious pressure
hearty orchid
Also gay parents can still have kids
iron plume
oh god are we actually grasping at straws this hard
it's not vincent
he's the wrong age, with the wrong gender of partner, barely looks like him, and there would be no reason for reaper to be there
limpid agate
@hearty orchid Wasn't the point of my message on the family having the kid
My point was, we were told 2 things
1 - Vincent is gay and remarried
Kids or not? Don't know. Not important.
2 - Reaper had a family. Family has the connotation that he spawned children.
We are shown a heterosexual couple (strike against Vincent) that has a child (point for Reyes family)
desert yacht
Also I don’t know if this was pointed out here already but
In the reflections comic the picture with jack and Vincent is in the portion with Ana and jack
desert yacht
So it was foreshadowed years in advance
limpid agate
This was how they spent Christmas
potent vault
gay man might still be in a heterosexual relationship,
Due to tax profits,
Platonic relationships,
Family pressure
Religious pressure.
limpid agate
@potent vault Not relevant
potent vault
It is
desert yacht
Overwatch lore discussion, not sexuality discussion
potent vault
Yes, but it is topic relevant.
limpid agate
Its not.
potent vault
If gay man can still be in a heterosexual relationship, there is the possibility that this is him.
Therefore
It is
peak escarp
do you really expect Overwatch's writing to be as complicated as that?
they are very "show, don't tell"
limpid agate
What about Torbjorn's twin sister?
peak escarp
so they're not going to say someone is gay then show them in a straight relationship
potent vault
They can do whatever they damn want to
limpid agate
Yeah, okay
iron plume
you're not trying to find out who they are
limpid agate
But what about Torbjorn's twin sister
potent vault
Also, who said that the people in reflection is a couple?
iron plume
you're trying to convince yourself what you decided them to be
it's not vincent
oh my god
peak escarp
potent vault
The girl them looks old,
It can be his mother.
Many people choose to spend the holidays with their families.
peak escarp
looks like a couple to me
limpid agate
@potent vault What do you think about Moira's daughter
He's not gonna answer, so just ignore him
This isn't gonna turn out in discussion anyways
sly socket
Was it explained how that family in particular is connected to Reyes?
limpid agate
No
But its suggested given Bastet
That it may be his family
The other option is still its an ex-OW agent he's gonna kill, but that feels much less likely now.
sly socket
Because to me, the woman looks too young to be his wife, but they can be connected some other way.
peak escarp
my guess is that one of the people is Reyes' son/daughter
making that kid his grandson
sly socket
Yeah. That's what I assumed.
peak escarp
if the boy is around 10, and the couple seem to be in their 30s, it fits
Reaper is 58
potent vault
Yeah, im not gonna answer, as I'm at school.
limpid agate
Then don't waste time with random baseless speculation
desert yacht
I found this really cool theory that would give reaper a lot more depth but is likely false
Found it on the sub reddit in a comment but I think it originated on the forums, don’t know where I would post the link to it though
limpid agate
What is it
desert yacht
Extremely likely to be totally implausible, a theory on how reaper is trying to take down talon from within and bring overwatch back
desert yacht
to avenge Gerard or something
peak escarp
that one doesn't seem likely given current information
hasty surge
right now it seems kinda forced that reyes changed so drastically
ok and thanks I am clear on the family that reyes stalked now
peak escarp
think of it like a puzzle
we have a lot of the border pieces, but very few of the middle pieces
and we don't have the box to tell us what the picture is
hasty surge
alrights then it's our job to "guess" the middle pieces
ashen lynx
Tbh, when it comes to the soldier thing, it's cool and all, but it feels very sudden and out of the blue
hasty surge
but currently I haven't heard any speculations that would fit nicely though
ashen lynx
Which is why it's more strange than it should ne
hasty surge
and yes I do agree it seems sudden
valid shell
When's a less sudden time to reveal a character's sexuality?
limpid agate
It was hinted
ashen lynx
Yeah ik
limpid agate
It was teased 2 years ago and speculated.
valid shell
It was hinted, but hetero bias had us convinced it was his son or a soldier who served under him.
ashen lynx
Maybe it's Liao 
ashen lynx
Would be cool to reveal another character that was involved in OW missions tbh
limpid agate
We have 2 heroes that MAY have OW relations
In Echo and Hamid.
We gotta wait for them to be released
limpid agate
She is confirmed not hero 30
ashen lynx
Hmmm
limpid agate
Hamid is my prime candidate
ashen lynx
When did Hamid get introduces
limpid agate
Before I was thinking it was between him, Max, and Sanjay, because we had nothing to go on
Petra
ashen lynx
Did I miss something
ashen lynx
Ah
limpid agate
He's an archeologist with ties to 3-4 maps, and apparently Ana now
ashen lynx
Moiras best pal
limpid agate
We dont know if he knows Moira
ashen lynx
Ah
limpid agate
I dont see why the blackops division of Overwatch would want someone interested in archeology
ashen lynx
They found some oMNIc InFoRmAtIOn
limpid agate
Omnics arent ancient technology
He's currently at Petra, with ties to Thailand and Ilios through his team. He appears to be related to Oasis, considering his name's ethnicity and the drones present at Petra/Ayutthaya. And now, he appears to be known/trusted by Ana.
Is all we know about Hamid Faisal
Also, he has a logo
ashen lynx
Hmm
So it seems like Brigitte
Where there are kind of ties to OW
But nobody knows how she works
Well, we did get a bit of a hint on brig
In reins short
iron plume
what do you mean how she works
iron plume
yes
iron plume
her armor is representation of her patching up
iron plume
the healing is inspiration/rallying as named
I think in lore fights she covers rein's flanks
since he tends to just CHAAAAARGE
iron plume
he wasn't with brig at the time
she only joined him post-fall and only started fighting very recently
past panther
Wait so who's the first LGBTQ Overwatch character? Is it Tracer?
iron plume
yes
iron plume
28
iron plume
and if you know she only joined him why are you asking how she worked with Rein when referring to Prague
wait who was the first character
peak escarp
Lumerico CEO Guillermo Portero has a husband named Miguel
iron plume
oh right
peak escarp
it was mentioned in the emails from the Sombra ARG
strange haven
can someone please tell me where to find the source of Solider being gay. thank you
valid shell
Solider Snake?
iron plume
doc can you type !!Bastet in this chat plskthx
peak escarp
!!Bastet
twilit nacelleBOT
Read Bastet here: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
iron plume
↑ @strange haven
peak escarp
oh so that's how that works
paper gazelle
peak escarp
also there's the tweet that confirms it
iron plume
the tweet is the confirmation, the story has the initial reveal
paper gazelle
thats what i posted
paper gazelle
but anyway i have a feeling
paper gazelle
you know reflections got a family which reaper is watching rite
ashen lynx
Gabe's wife and kids?
paper gazelle
i think either the male or female is reaper's child
ashen lynx
But Gabe died
peak escarp
I knew as soon as I read the phrase “Still keeping a candle lit for him?”
iron plume
oh that went better than expected
yeah I get that feeling too
people are thinking ex-wife but the ages match up better for child
paper gazelle
and also somehow i feel that vincent is... dead
peak escarp
. . .
iron plume
no
peak escarp
those kids are white
paper gazelle
look
iron plume
oh my god doc you can't just ask people why they're white
paper gazelle
those two kids cant be
gusty fjord
Because he'd have to react to them differently
iron plume
yes
ashen lynx
I have a feeling they'll make every hero who seems straight gay
paper gazelle
^^^
ashen lynx
And every hero that seems gay straight
gusty fjord
Gay is the new straight
ashen lynx
For memes
peak escarp
how does a hero "seem" straight?
ashen lynx
Well
iron plume
how did tracer "seem straight" exactly
iron plume
you could make a very stereotype-based claim for soldier
paper gazelle
but then i hope there wont be too much gay characters
gusty fjord
She seemed straigh by convention
iron plume
but tracer?
paper gazelle
or bi
ashen lynx
Everybody loves Mercy and Pharah
paper gazelle
okay imo i dont think mercy is gay
ashen lynx
No u
peak escarp
it follows directly after Old Soldiers
peak escarp
and lasts about 3 weeks
gusty fjord
That's the "latest" in Overwatch lore
peak escarp
ending after the holidays
ashen lynx
Well
peak escarp
so I'd say mid to late December of the same year as Recall
gusty fjord
I mean
peak escarp
most recent event timeline-wise is "Searching"
gusty fjord
Where is this in relation to McCree's?
fresh hare
"Hakim" means doctor iirc, so it might be a hint to something.
peak escarp
it is a name
fresh hare
Is the shutdown of the Anubis project related to the map Anubis?
peak escarp
Abdul Hakim
gusty fjord
Yeah
peak escarp
he works for Talon
gusty fjord
Anubis map replays what Phara did in shutting down Anubis
paper gazelle
i think ive heard of ppl called hakim irl
past panther
What was the Venice incident?
gusty fjord
nothing yet
peak escarp
Retribution
iron plume
Retribution
iron plume
it'll come around as a playable event in April, you can read up on it for now if you'd like
fresh hare
I hope the Prague event becomes playable
I want to see how Reinhardt screwed up a stealth mission.
peak escarp
I want to see them attempt stealth mechanics in Overwatch
peak escarp
😛
iron plume
we expected retribution to have stealth
and then when it came around, the gameplay was all after the fuckup
peak escarp
I don't think a game like Overwatch lends itself to stealth very well
fresh hare
I reckon they didn't deploy him in Crusader armor for that.
iron plume
I'd expect Prague to be the same if it's playable
peak escarp
yeah
iron plume
we won't
gusty fjord
I want to see what he looks like without the armor. 😄
iron plume
they'd need to make a new hero's worth of kit just for the event
same reason we're unlikely to get pre-death Ana
fresh hare
They could go the
simple pendant
Thoughts on today story?
fresh hare
Samus route
paper gazelle
what if next archives the new story is set in Prague
gusty fjord
It's great! @simple pendant
peak escarp
gusty fjord
I want more stories
peak escarp
Reinhardt without armor
gusty fjord
Yes please
peak escarp
he's a big guy
gusty fjord
I always wonder
simple pendant
I do too but its sad that people are complaining
fresh hare
On one hand, I am grateful we got more lore. On the other hand, it seemed a bit like reading fan fiction.
gusty fjord
The armor is so big
iron plume
for you
peak escarp
I thought the characterization was very good
fresh hare
I reckon the armor has mechanical servos
paper gazelle
well but the "fan fiction" aint that bad
iron plume
and it was set up well
fresh hare
To augment his movement.
peak escarp
it gave us a glimpse of the dynamic between Ana and Jack
paper gazelle
i found it intriguing
fresh hare
It does have a reactor of sorts on the back.
iron plume
it has more content than multiple comics' worth
gusty fjord
Ana and Jack are great
iron plume
it's a turbine
gusty fjord
Grandma and Son in law
simple pendant
Story could have been better but I think Blizzard next time should be outright with the hero's info
iron plume
oh god this again
peak escarp
it felt organic and not forced
gusty fjord
It was fine
iron plume
yeah let's just write "he gay" on a hero page rather than pointing it out when it's relevant in an in-story conversation
what "timing"
fresh hare
It did show us the thought processes of two heroes, which is something shorts and comics often fail to do.
gusty fjord
Yeah
It's all about delivery
That's what matters the most
We don't CARE if 76 is gay
simple pendant
Where they said that theirs multiple lgbt heroes
fresh hare
That's one of the big advantages of novelization, it allows the writer to showcase inner thoughts.
gusty fjord
We care NOW because it actually means something
peak escarp
I'd kinda like to get short story versions of the animated shorts, so we can know the heroes' internal thoughts and motivations
gusty fjord
If that was animated, they'd have to animate inner thoughts as flashbacks or something
peak escarp
or as narration
fresh hare
Or do narration bubbles
gusty fjord
Pretty much
fresh hare
Which always felt cheap to me tbh
peak escarp
Pharah's comic has a lot of internal monologue bubbles
iron plume
there are things better suited for text
simple pendant
Even without that part one or two years for a comic like that is too long
fresh hare
I also like how Bastet portrayed Reinhardt as a loose cannon and Jack having a Call of Duty style healing factor.
tranquil sun
so, Jack and Vincent...
what are your takes?
gusty fjord
It's sexy
tranquil sun
hell yeah man
fresh hare
I think it really fits Jack's stoic character to put duty over personal life.
wraith zealot
ı wasnt expecting jack to be the homosexual in the game
ı thought hanzo would be that one
past panther
...What hints towards that?
simple pendant
Liked that its unexpected
Prob his voice actor
I think that he might have said something about wanting Hanzo to be a gay character I could be wrong.
worthy rose
@simple pendant Hanzo the gay character?? no... it should've been junkrat
and roadhog too
simple pendant
Well not me I said the voice actor but at this point.....
worthy rose
soldier 76 is really hot though so im happy with this
ashen lynx
Daddo 76
I mean
When he says "all that stuff they pumped into me had to be good for something"
Uhhhh
molten geyser
I just want happy eventual endings for everyone
I want Ana to reunite with her daughter and husband, and I want Soldier and Vincent to somehow end up together again, and I want Widowmaker to somehow overcome her conditioning and redeem herself
I’m a sucker for happy endings 😭
past ember
Fuck that, let the robots win
molten geyser
Only if Zenyatta becomes omnic president.
past ember
Yes
I want zen to secretely be the guy behind everything, orcherstrating everything and pulling the strings
dawn geyser
@ashen lynx godly interpretation skills
regal coyote
vote for bastion
zen is not evil enough to be in politics
kinda sad 76 cannot be dad
well he can still be vincent's daddy, but he is not a father
fiery tundra
He can still be a father.
regal coyote
but unlikely he is currently one
fiery tundra
Yeah, probably. If Soldier was my dad I'd hate his guts, when's the last time he checked in back home?
regal coyote
consider what he said in that story
well if he had a kid he would be pharah's age most likely
wonder if chance 76 would see hsi love...
a sad but cool case would be vincent being evil
but deep down i rather 76 having a good life, he done enough
a cool development to thsi story would be vincent actually have a son, and said son is going to overwatch, learning from 76
teal meadow
i don't get it, is vincent alive or he died fighting with soldier?
regal coyote
so 76 can finally be a dad(father) afterall
teal meadow
Oh
ashen lynx
ashen lynx
Yeah ik
molten geyser
What would give the impression he wasn’t?
All we really know ab him is that he was soldiers boyfriend and that Chu said he was gay.
ashen lynx
Didn't they say he had a family too
regal coyote
exactly
so in my suggestion that would be like Jack having a son, someone adopted by vicnent way back :3
oh question: Does it mean Dr. Faisal was related to overwatch?
molten geyser
Or he could just be a happy ol gay dude who reunites with his former boyfriend many years later.
I bet Soldier hasn’t checked on Vincent in years, so maybe Vincent’s marriage didn’t work out, idk.
It could go either way but now I want a happy ending for Soldier.
Nah, he’s definitely cooler now.
He’s not just generic edgy war dude.
Well he kinda still is
But the backstory is nice.
dawn geyser
The back story... I see what you did there
proud elbow
molten geyser
He’s legit gay.
Although considering everything is fictional, I guess everything could be considered fake too. 😝
lusty matrix
Well his quotes makes a lot more sense now in game if you think about it
plush sorrel
All the toxic ppl will leave ow now
old summit
good
static saddle
THANKS CHU
limpid agate
oh question: Does it mean Dr. Faisal was related to overwatch?
@regal coyote Could be, not sure
I want to find out
hasty surge
But he probably has ties to overwatch
chilly peak
Faisal is the leader of archeologic group which is working on Ilios, Petra and Ayutthaya. Probably Talon is secretly endowing this group and it seems that Ana doesn't know about that. I wonder if Faisal knows
dire timber
reveal Genji as bi next pls
I really want that canon
but Soldier being gay is cool too, I guess
inland lichen
itll be junkrat
true canyon
brisk harbor
Lol widow married a man
pearl blade
I don't think that's gonna happen just because Russia is super anti-gay/trans
reef thicket
oof
dire timber
it'd also have a lot of unfortunate implications
yeah, no, let's not go there
that said, Zarya could be revealed as asexual; I think it would be fitting for her character, with little controversy
tough ridge
Somehow i knew once the soldier being gay thing came out this was gonna be the new lore discussion
dire timber
yeah, but it's good lore discussion 👀
let it last for a couple of days
it's the biggest drop we have right now
grizzled agate
An even bigger drop would be Reaper being gay and envious of Soldiers romance.
reef thicket
biggest drop we have:
pseudo vale
@dire timber why do u want genji to be bi? Do you think it fits his character at all? Or do you just think every character in the game should be LGBT
dire timber
@pseudo vale yes, I think Genji being bi would fit him extremely well
reef thicket
tbf i couldn't care less what sexuality solider is
i just want the story to progresss
more talon
more fighting
more stuff about recall
dire timber
I'm actually not fond of random "everyone is gay" stuff where folks do it randomly to every single character
but I do want substantial LGBTQ representation
pseudo vale
Yup
dire timber
a single character is not what I'd call substantial
Soldier wasn't my pick for gay male representation, but I'm perfectly fine with how it turned out
reef thicket
yeah hes the least chartacter i would've thought of being gay
pseudo vale
If they overdo it tho its bad cause then theyre just doing it to please the LGBT crowd, not because it fits in the story
dire timber
hmm, it was teased though
in Reflections
so people who argue that it's "out of nowhere" are 100% wrong
@pseudo vale "pleasing the LGBTQ crowd" is a good thing, and it's way preferable to pleasing bigoted reactionaries
pseudo vale
When i read the story i thought that other guy was his best friend in the military
They dont have to please either group
Just write the story
pseudo vale
dire timber
they wrote a story
and included a mention of Jack's former love interest
"just write the story" is a stupid complaint
tough ridge
Im more interested in the fight that led to this, like what happened in bastel or wherever
tough ridge
Welp, still interested in it
dire timber
have you read it?
dire timber
they captured Hakim and his associates, and departed Egypt to track Reaper down
tough ridge
Spicy, now i want more
Reinhart was there, they were trying to be stealthy as well if i remember correctly. Sounds a little contradicting
dire timber
??
you really need to read it yourself
Reinhardt wasn't with them in Cairo, lmao
they were just talking a lot about the Overwatch days
tough ridge
You may be right then, ill have to read it. All im getting from overwatch discords is fans over the gay soldier news and nothing else. Did see the new Ana concept skin though. Love it
reef thicket
people say that skin is gonna be legendary
but i highly doubt it
shrike was also a lore skin just like that
and that was only an epic
dire timber
yeah, it definitely looks like it's going to be an epic skin
tough ridge
I like the epic skins that have some designs to them like that though and not just a recolor
So im all for it
Need to spend my credits anyway
reef thicket
im saving my credits for lunar
but only gonna but a couple of skis
im looking forward to archives more.. blackwatch moira pls
tough ridge
I need that one, its the only skin that looks good on her besides the newest halloween one
reef thicket
exactly
my most desired skin in the game
hopefully im not bannd or something by time archives comes around
i keep getting bullshit "warnings for toxicity"
even though im barely toxic compared to some people
people in this game lose agaisnt u and are like "hurr report"
tough ridge
I hope archives goes into this short stories mission
reef thicket
i'd prefer
talon
i really
dislike sandy places
which is why i hate places like
junkertown
oasis
anubis etc
worthy rose
on page 12 of bastet it says "At least you and Gabe managed to have families.", does this mean that the family reaper looks in on could possibly be his kids? they look alike, and reaper is around 50-60 years old, those people in the family look like they could be in their 30s or so
it could even be his little brother or sister, however i think it being his children would make more sense
worthy rose
yes, wouldn't it make sense that it's his kids? it was just confirmed that he did start a family, we just don't know who it was with
dire timber
that could be his family, yeah
worldly lintel
I think they gave Zenyatta new lore: http://www.zenyatta.com/
tough ridge
Do Ana and Pharah ever meet?
worthy rose
yes
well- not until the overwatch recall
but eventually all of the heroes meet, even ones not related to the original overwatch such as lucio, dva and orisa
(since winston recruits everyone)
chilly peak
probably Bastion will be part of New Overwatch too
chilly peak
owns? Omnics are not 'things' 😂
chilly peak
anyway, it's very interesting
dire swift
When’s overwatch gonna officially reform anyways?
Like will they be for like a second game? Or just a future lore dump? Also when are we gonna see that robot mecree rescued in game
undone bane
does ryanhart have a ladyfriend
chilly peak
@dire swift unfortunately we can't answer your question. I thought that would happen' like one year after release
undone bane
poor rainhart 😦
worthy rose
@dire swift overwatch has already reformed- as we can play most of the characters already
chilly peak
lore wise, Overwatch is in process of reforming
dire swift
Yeah and besides just cause we play them doesn’t mean there part of overwatch like doomfirst
true mist
worthy rose
who is quitting the game because soldier is lgbt? 
tough ridge
Is that a troll statement? I havent seen anyone quit yet from that
worthy rose
noo like
ive actually seen someone say theyve gotten sick or whatever from soldier be lgbt
idk where i can post images
really not worth posting pictures , it's just one person . move on
oh no im just trying to show you how stupid they look
limpid agate
can we not discuss this anymore
granite gazelle
How so?
regal coyote
we dont know how ow fucks up egypt
but we know i has to do with ow shuttingdown anubis
my own suspectin is that anubis project basicially uses its godly control power to rule the omnics in the area for all the work, and somehow overwatch does not like it\
so the original infrastructure might have been run by controlled omnics, before ow fucks it up
granite gazelle
Wait what is the new short story called?
wraith zealot
like antonio
granite gazelle
Havent seen ut
limpid agate
Bastet
regal coyote
no not blackwatch
wraith zealot
bastet
limpid agate
!!bastet
twilit nacelleBOT
Read Bastet here: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
granite gazelle
Ty
regal coyote
this time the cairo thing is overwatch proper
limpid agate
Also Blackwatch was suspended after Retribution
regal coyote
somehow I dont trust this Petra guy
wraith zealot
all we know is both happened before the uprising
regal coyote
I think the Petra person may be a bit corrupted also
wraith zealot
anubis thing might not be fitting since from what ı know it was helix security that shut it down after a virus taking it over
limpid agate
OW's downfall is implied to start after Retribution
wraith zealot
thats phara's comic isnt it
wraith zealot
but the cairo incident is before uprising which is after retribution
limpid agate
Yes
wraith zealot
so whatever happened in cairo is before uprisin but we are not sure if it is before retribution
we also know anubis is after OW disbanding
so it cant be anubis
wraith zealot
what are they doing in phara's comic then
limpid agate
Anubis broke free
wraith zealot
ı see
limpid agate
OW shut down Anubis, which ruined Egypt
Then in the present, Pharahs team shut it down again
wraith zealot
ım not sure if it is cannon but
is phara part of OW now
since she keept interacting like she is
limpid agate
No
Her lines suggest she wants to join
But she hasn't
OW is currently:
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Rein, Brig
And possibky:
Genji, Torb, Bastion
Echo is also en route
McCree will probably join much later
sly socket
I wonder why McCree chose not to join and instead just informed Echo that they need her.
wraith zealot
ı just realised
zen doesnt have any lore on him
@sly socket he said he will but he has business to attend to
like zen is teacher of genji and was friend of mandatta
but other than that
limpid agate
@sly socket He also thinks OW wont want him
Because he has a low opinion of himself
wraith zealot
doesnt he say
limpid agate
"They think they want me, but they need you"
wraith zealot
''They want me but really
wraith zealot
do you guys think
regal coyote
also overwatch's friendy style is not really mccree's
wraith zealot
echo was in blackwatch
limpid agate
No
limpid agate
He's also a cowboy
granite gazelle
What?
regal coyote
echo-mcccree is after blackwatch
limpid agate
Howdy partner
wraith zealot
u sure
granite gazelle
yeehaw
limpid agate
I'm very sure he is a cowboy
sly socket
I doubt Echo was in Blackwatch
wraith zealot
no ı meant waht hamster said
regal coyote
well a one armed cowboy type with , smoking with a cigar, a motorbike(now) and a sexy robot partner can we say COBRAAAA?
limpid agate
We dont know but it's likely
wraith zealot
lol
limpid agate
She doesnt seem to know Winston is my interpretation
regal coyote
for those old people, twas an anime called cobra waaay back. all style, and would sound great in mercer
wraith zealot
ı think she doesnt know the nickname monkey
limpid agate
Oh I thought you meant GI Joe Cobra
wraith zealot
genji reminds me of the ninja from the movie
snake eyes was it?
maybe thats where the inspiration for him came
wraith zealot
let me hve this binge
regal coyote
dire timber
kinda a shame we didn't learn more about Anubis
dire timber
but it seems like it's further implied that whatever happened with Anubis happened after the Omnic Crisis was already over
or maybe not
I'm not sure
pliant sparrow
Perhaps the mission where ana lost her eye to Widowmaker would be an Archive?
valid shell
Too limited.
frosty shell
The Anubis thing is weird
frosty shell
It is referred to as "the Anubis project" suggesting it was created by humans
though maybe not
pliant sparrow
Hm
frosty shell
Also, the fact that Petras is investigating the Cairo incident during Uprising doesn't mean that that mission had just happened
valid shell
We don't need events for things we've already seen.
frosty shell
Investigations of events which happened in the past are very common
It's even possible that what happened in Cairo didn't become as controversial until Retribution happened
Which prompted Petras to investigate what happened in Cairo
pliant sparrow
I think an event with the mekas fighting the Giant Omnic would be both a fun event and a great way to introduce new characters
peak escarp
the story did say they shut down the Anubis project a decade ago
which is likely to be a rounded number, like always
limpid agate
Project is a key word here
worthy rose
What was the Anubis project?
limpid agate
It seems like it was more of an official undertaking
@worthy rose Did you read Pharahs comic?
worthy rose
I remember a bit of it
limpid agate
Thats Anubis. An AI that can corrupt others including omnics
limpid agate
Also she ended up rescuing the guy anyways
peak escarp
he is
worthy rose
he was until we got this information
peak escarp
nothing has changed
worthy rose
Only genji , mccree and soldier
dire timber
um
pliant sparrow
So is Vincent dead then? Or do we not know?
peak escarp
Vincent is happily married
dire timber
it didn't work out between them; duty called, and Jack was away for the war
peak escarp
Vincent couldn't do a long distance relationship
dire timber
and now we also know that Ana is divorced
worthy rose
Who is vincent tho
peak escarp
worthy rose
But like has he made any other appearances or been talked about in the past
peak escarp
nope
that same picture was seen in a panel in the Reflections comic. but that's it
and since he's a character from the past, I don't think we'll learn anything else about him
worthy rose
I guess so
valid shell
Torbjorn never mentioned a wife until Ingrid was dropped.
But nobody complained about her coming "out of nowhere".
limpid agate
The problem with Vincent is he has no reason to exist except as a device to show Jack is gay. If it was a girl, it would be weird and pointless to show Jack having 30 year old picture of his ex who got married long ago.
The other options were tweet he is gay and leave it at that, or compromise is character by giving him a current love interest
peak escarp
he serves the same function as Emily
valid shell
I would agree if Bastet was just the one panel and paragraph about Vincent.
limpid agate
It was a quarter of a page in a 14 page short story
valid shell
But it's just a small part of a story with other details, some important, some that could be argued as unimportant as Vincent.
lavish laurel
Ok, can someone explain this faggotry hypocrisy sorcery to me?
valid shell
Good way to get muted.
lavish laurel
Like, whose idea was this?
valid shell
Overwatch.