lore-discussion

[limpid agate]

If you're discussing Soldier 76

Discuss soldier 76

Not some real world bullshit

[iron plume]

you mean 76 and the short story, right?

because something tells me you didn't actually read it

[median sluice]

I didnt start that rl shit lol

[limpid agate]

!!bastet

[twilit nacelle]

If you want to talk about the Ana skin, Soldier being gay, or anything else related to the short story, please read it first here: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM

[iron plume]

yes you did

[worthy rose]

you did tho dude

[limpid agate]

I dont care who started it

Im ending it

[median sluice]

Its anas story lol

Not soldier

[worthy rose]

you said he can't be gay because he's a soldier

[median sluice]

No

[fair widget]

and that men are better soldiers

[limpid agate]

I dont care who started it
Im ending it

I'm not going to repeat myself again

[median sluice]

In my opinion it doesnt rlly fit soldiers character so i dont like blizzards decision

[worthy rose]

rubs my face

anyway so ana rocks

[fair widget]

okay so admins just gunna allow that?

[brisk bay]

he's been warned

lets move on

[fair widget]

bs

[worthy rose]

isn't ana also considered a soldier or am i wrong abt that

[fair widget]

yeah

[iron plume]

Gay people don't have or are limited to certain character traits lmao

[worthy rose]

oh pfft

she's the best

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards.

[fiery tundra]

Here's a controversial topic: how the hell is Reinhardt's movement speed higher than Moira's?

[iron plume]

it isn't

[fiery tundra]

This dude has super heavy armor and a huge weapon, outwalks Moira easily. Who can tell me how the lore tackles this?

[iron plume]

it doesn't, gameplay isn't lore

[fiery tundra]

Well, TIL. Thanks. Blizzard still bad tho.

[iron plume]

[worthy rose]

nfosndisndjsn

[boreal sky]

Ana's bullets aren't canon, right? I mean, in the game Ana heal and damage with the same bullet, that don't happen in the lore, right?

[worthy rose]

i think it does right cuz mercy doesn't like it or .. something

I'm not up to date on lore

[boreal sky]

Oh, ok, thanks

[limpid agate]

@fiery tundra Aside from the gameplay != lore thing

He doesn't in game either

[iron plume]

Ana can both heal and damage

[reef thicket]

think thats hard to explain because

[limpid agate]

Everyone other than Tracer and Genji has the same move speed

[iron plume]

but it's not the same bullets

[reef thicket]

what does ana shoot reaper with

[iron plume]

she loads both types in her mags and select targets according to which one is next

[limpid agate]

A dart

[iron plume]

you can see the mag in Old Soldiers

[limpid agate]

I think its the sleep dart

[reef thicket]

i wonder if

reaper could even be like

brung back

[fiery tundra]

@limpid agate Today a Reinhardt did catch up to me walking though. But, to be fair, I'm silver so I might have been just bad as well.

[reef thicket]

back to reyes

[iron plume]

if you're walking backwards, you walk slower

on everyone

[fiery tundra]

@iron plume Dude, mind blown.

[round bough]

Highlights for me of the new story:

[boreal sky]

Also, I don't know if I can say that but, I would love to see a map in São Paulo, Brazil or even the Amazon, I think we already had a lot of content about Rio de Janeiro

[round bough]

1. Soldier is possible bi/gay

[limpid agate]

We have a lot of content about Rio but no Rio map

@round bough Gay

[round bough]

2. Reaper got married and had a family

So possibly , that Christmas comic for reaper was his Wife and Son

But she remarried?

[fair widget]

omg

can you please read the history

and check michaels twitter

before summing up lore to a lore channel

[round bough]

What’s wrong with me typing my thoughts here

Can’t I?

[fair widget]

you can but they’re outdated

he’s not possible bi/gay

he’s been confirmed gay

[round bough]

Honestly, i dont see what’s wrong with that

[limpid agate]

@fair widget Not everyone knows the answer

He was asking a question

We are answering

[dawn knot]

stronk gay man

[limpid agate]

If you are going to answer in a hostile manner, you can leave

[round bough]

I didnt catch up because I’m in a different time zone

[fair widget]

😴

[round bough]

If I’m not welcome here just tell me, ill leave the server.

[fair widget]

omg

[limpid agate]

Youre fine

[fair widget]

you’re good

[round bough]

I’m sick of being rejected everywhere i go.

[fair widget]

as you were

[boreal sky]

I think it would be cool if Brazil was like, a control point map and the three control point would be in different locations like, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro (probably a favela) and Amazon, but it would be too far away from each other

[limpid agate]

Thats a bit too spread out for KOTH

All KOTH maps are just one map

[round bough]

And maybe with the maps, they could roll out a lucio short too ;-;

[fair widget]

agreed ^^

wanna see hq lucio

[round bough]

I mean, blizzard gave us animated lucio

[fair widget]

he has barely any story

[round bough]

selling cereal

[boreal sky]

I know, but it would be so cool to see these 3 different locations, I know that Blizzard would only make one rather 3 maps about Brazil

[dawn knot]

i want to see lucio and sombre intereact, its my headcanon that they will probably like eachother. even tho sombre's still a teen :/

[boreal sky]

@round bough Lucio selling cereal is headcanon confimed

[round bough]

@boreal sky

No lucio ohs here tho

They don’t sell them here in singapore

FeelsBadMan

[fair widget]

i want a utopea map.....

[iron plume]

utopaea would be nice

[boreal sky]

I don't think they sell here in Brazil too

[iron plume]

Rio could be good too, with it going from favelas to the rebuilt parts

[boreal sky]

Sorry for not talking about lore

@iron plume It would be cool to see Vishkar constructions destroyed by the Lucio's revolution

[fair widget]

do you think the cereals are lore....

do they exist in universe or was the animated commerical just that

i hope the same commerical is aired in universe

[iron plume]

if you mean whether they're canon, yes

[boreal sky]

I think they do exist in the Overwatch universe

[iron plume]

Lucio is a celebrity and he endorses products

[fair widget]

sick

[boreal sky]

Lucio and D.va could have a merch together, it would be cool

[fair widget]

i love that

[round bough]

@boreal sky by THE LUCIO’s

[boreal sky]

Also, the mech squad have merch too or South Korea love D.va way more to care about the others?

[minor portal]

I am upset about the new soldier reveal. Not that he is gay, but the fact he was too focused on duty to be with the guy he loved. It's so damn cliche it hurts.

[round bough]

[fair widget]

agreed ^^

[round bough]

Now i wanna know what happened to Gabriel

He wouldn’t just throw away his family would he

[iron plume]

Dva is the most famous but the others have followers too

he didn't have a choice after he "died"

[boreal sky]

It happens so much, I'm already getting sick of it @minor portal

[fair widget]

i want more of the other meka squad but i know itll never ever ever happen lol

my hope for a next "short story" would be of them

[round bough]

UM
LUCIO FIRST

I CALL DIBS

[fair widget]

sym

[round bough]

Sym is getting jebaited and controlled by that dude

[boreal sky]

I would love a Archives event that you can play different meka squad members, but Blizzard would never do that

[round bough]

What’s his name????

@boreal sky i think they’re short staffed or working on other things

[fair widget]

sanjay korpal

[round bough]

Thanks

EY WAIT
THATS MY NEIGHBOUR-

[fair widget]

the guy with vishkar and talon

i need his and symmetras story....

[round bough]

Maybe

But yeah. Agreed

[boreal sky]

Symmetra, Lucio and Sanjay's Short, please Blizzard

[round bough]

Maybe blizzard will expand more lore

Now we gotta see what’s the little surprise in the next update.

Better be something good

[boreal sky]

Lucio helps Symmetra see how Sanjay is a idiot that wants to see the world burn, I would love that

[round bough]

@boreal sky

That would be amazing

[fair widget]

hmmm

its intersting

[round bough]

Because I don’t wanna hear lucio and symmetra argue about being on the same team

[boreal sky]

I would also like some interactions between Symmetra and Moira, both are the salt queens that we all love

[fair widget]

im really invested in symmetra so i want her story to be good

[round bough]

@boreal sky

YES

[boreal sky]

Blizzard give so little attention to Symmetra, it's kinda sad

[round bough]

Another thing I’d like to see is Zarya finally learning that Katya was working with Talon

[boreal sky]

The coolest hero don't get the attention that she deserves

[round bough]

If not why would they hunt her down? She must have revealed something or whatever bout them

there’s so much for so many heroes woaaaaah

[boreal sky]

@round bough She's not exactly with Talon, she is just Sombra's puppet, Sombra is just using Talon to get to her objective

[worthy rose]

But what is her objective?

[round bough]

But WHY would talon try and hunt her down in the first place?

[fair widget]

fuck knows

hmm

[worthy rose]

World domination is too cliched

[boreal sky]

@worthy rose She wants to see who really command the world to then control them

[fair widget]

also when did katya work with talon?

[worthy rose]

For both sombra and talon

[fair widget]

i know she used omnic technology

[round bough]

@fair widget it’s an assumption \

[fair widget]

but when with talon?

oh

fair

[round bough]

Because they wouldn’t hunt her down for no reason

She must have done something that affected talon in a certai way

[fair widget]

didnt sombra tell zarya about katyas association with the omnics?

[round bough]

Also if i remember doomfist said something about better keeping katya alive because of her usefulness or whatsoever

So maybe she WAS a pawn of talon

Assumptions...

[fair widget]

assumptions are all we have

[round bough]

@fair widget zarya chose not to believe

[boreal sky]

I think Katya's assassination would make the world fear that the omnics killed her

[round bough]

Though she does have some doubt

good point there

So maybe then sombra would leak the photos of her using omnic technology

And then the world would fall into disarray

But it is the second omnic crisis aint it

[boreal sky]

Well, I need to go, bye everyone

[round bough]

So well, the fuckening can happen

@boreal sky thanks for talking here

FUCKING AUTOCORRECT

[boreal sky]

❤

[round bough]

Well gotta go for class, may sneak online every now and then

Chat later

[worthy rose]

wait hold up soldier is gay (or bi)?

the new bastet comic apparently revealed it?

not a comic, a short story

but yeah

thats neat

he was confirmed gay yeah !

thats actually pretty cool

but very sudden

it made me really happy too

it was just kind of a snippet in an ana lore story

I didn't really care, it's kind of irrelevant and wasn't the focus of the story anyway

[iron plume]

we also had a whole story of the result of him meeting ana and reaper for the first time

[worthy rose]

the fandom blew up but it wasn't exactly a huge thing

[iron plume]

but that too

[peak escarp]

I'm going to snap if people keep calling it a comic

[fair widget]

me too ^^

also yeah i like the reveal but the whole short story is very interesting

[worthy rose]

Is 76 gay?

I just want a yes or no answer

[white cobalt]

Yes

[worthy rose]

Thx

[mellow vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWxDg1zFW4I
Actually, this is the official statement.

[rapid onyx]

I was waiting for that lmao

[valid shell]

@mellow vigil No shitposting.

@worthy rose https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1082394625837428736?s=21

Michael Chu 🎉💼 (@westofhouse)

Thanks for all the messages about “Bastet”!

Jack and Vincent were in a romantic relationship many years ago. Both identify as gay. ❤️

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@limpid agate Can you pin this? ^

[vagrant pulsar]

Soldier Gay

[dire timber]

what did I miss?

[abstract grove]

Jack Morrison is gay.

or he could be bi.

Either way i'm fucking LIVING

[white cobalt]

@dire timber https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1082351191072202753

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

BASTET: A fierce protector arises from the shadows . . .

🔎 https://t.co/YLLH1vb5XB https://t.co/OcA6mceQP1

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[dire timber]

I've seen the tweet, but

I don't feel like reading all of that

[white cobalt]

there is a short with Ana lore

is good

[fair widget]

@abstract grove hes confirmed gay

[valid shell]

@undone plaza Correct.

[weak crane]

!!ontopic

[twilit nacelle]

This channel is only for serious, on-topic, discussion. For general discussion, please use #general-discussion.

[worn solar]

I like how Morrison and Ana don’t take Rein seriously at all

[white cobalt]

...

Can we not?

[worldly flax]

!warn @undone plaza serious discussion only.

[twilit nacelle]

👌 Warned CLipZx#6016 (Case #22700)

[icy plover]

Am I late to the "soldier is gay" party?

[brisk bay]

stop

[valid shell]

@icy plover Stop.

[worldly flax]

!mute @undone plaza pretending he doesn’t know that talking about his boner isn’t appropriate for #lore-discussion

[twilit nacelle]

👌 Muted CLipZx#6016 indefinitely (Case #22701)

[vagrant pulsar]

Serious lore question surrounding the gay stuff, is this the first time it's been mentioned in the OW Universe or has it been teased/suggested previously?

[icy plover]

and by that i am

[worn solar]

[umbral fiber]

@vagrant pulsar About 76 or in general?

Yes about 76, in general have you met Tracer?

[valid shell]

Take one (1) second to scroll up and read that, yes, we all saw the news. We don't need a dozen people re-announcing it.

[vagrant pulsar]

About 76, has it been teased before.

[umbral fiber]

No

[valid shell]

@vagrant pulsar Yes.

[umbral fiber]

It has?

[icy plover]

rly?

how

[valid shell]

He's looking at a photo of himself and a guy in Reflections.

[fair widget]

it has but

not very directly

[vagrant pulsar]

That's different to what I've been reading online, I kind of wanted to ask the experts lol.

[fair widget]

there was a picture of vincent in reflections in 2016

but no context at all

so

[vagrant pulsar]

I have 0 clue about the lore really so was just interested. And ah so it's not just some random Blizz decision.

[fair widget]

we didnt know who it was in the slightest till today

[vagrant pulsar]

They did plan it lol

[valid shell]

It has been teased, we just didn't have enough info.

[icy plover]

oh i c

I don't think they're gonna expand the vincent lore anyway

[limpid agate]

Good, let's talk about something else.

Like

The Anubis Program

Just that way of phrasing it interests me

It feels as though it sets it up as something that is long after the crisis

[valid shell]

They haven't with Emily, so wouldn't count on it. @icy plover

[icy plover]

ya figures

[umbral fiber]

@limpid agate Set up after?

I thought Ana said they killed it?

[limpid agate]

Yes

[dire timber]

I didn't expect Soldier to be gay, honestly

[limpid agate]

Overwatch lasted 25 years, in the range of ~ 30-5 years ago.

[worthy rose]

aw man , blizzard messed up ana and pharah's egyptian aspects :/

[limpid agate]

People often just assume Anubis is something from the Crisis.

[worthy rose]

i just realized

wow man

[umbral fiber]

How? @worthy rose

[worthy rose]

well old egypt is nothing like current egypt

[limpid agate]

Ok so

[worthy rose]

people there dont have relation to old culture

[limpid agate]

Ok so

[umbral fiber]

To be fair they also don't have a history of AI

[worthy rose]

they dont do anything related to "bastet" "osis" or "osiris"

[limpid agate]

And McCree is a cowboy

[worthy rose]

so having those egyptian god tatoos

kind of disrespectful to current culture

[umbral fiber]

....but they know they exist, right?

[limpid agate]

And Hanzo is a 17th century archer

[worthy rose]

hanzo is a more modern take on archery

[limpid agate]

Sorry, 16th

[umbral fiber]

If I open a sarcophagus and jam the funerary mask on my head, and run around slaughtering gang members, that would be one hell of a mythos built around me

[valid shell]

He also doesn't draw his bow like a Jap.

Moreso a Mongolian.

Horizontal for horseback.

[worthy rose]

yeah but that doesnt mean thats disrespectful to japs

thats just a different style

[umbral fiber]

disrepectful

japs

[valid shell]

Nah, just inaccurate.

[umbral fiber]

.....

[limpid agate]

Its the same

[worthy rose]

yeah inaccurate is fine

in taht aspect

its just a way of holding a bow

[white cobalt]

I mean look Dorado

[limpid agate]

Dorado is based on Italy

[worthy rose]

damn

rip mexicans

i love reaper and sombra

[umbral fiber]

Cultural progress in the OW world has clearly taken a hard branch off of our reality's course

[dire timber]

@limpid agate it's not based in Italy though

[worthy rose]

but theyre probably not accurate

[limpid agate]

No

[valid shell]

Japanese yumi bows are so cool that I'm just bitter Hanzo doesn't use one.

[dire timber]

@worthy rose Reyes is Latino, but he's not Mexican

[limpid agate]

They're not. Accuracy isn't as important as the fantasy

Look at Hollywood.

[worthy rose]

no he has mexican outfits

the sombrero stuff

[white cobalt]

Not canon

[worthy rose]

how do you know

did michael chu say he's not mexican?

[white cobalt]

in game =! lore

[limpid agate]

He's not Mexican

He's American.

[white cobalt]

no , talking about the mexican outfit

[worthy rose]

im talking about his origins

not his nationality

[white cobalt]

He born in America, he is from LA

[worthy rose]

and his ancestry is mecivan

mexican

[limpid agate]

Based on what

Non-canon skins

[worthy rose]

technically winston is from the moon

whats the word for that

[limpid agate]

Lunar

[worthy rose]

right

no

lunar is on the moon

not from the moon

lunatian?

[limpid agate]

No. It's lunar.

As in lunar rock or lunar new year

[worthy rose]

its related to the moon, not new year from the moon

doesnt work

[limpid agate]

It means pertaining to the moon, like how Chinese means pertaining to China, or Russian means pertaining to Russia.

[worthy rose]

im just going to say lunestian

so next event is chinese new year right

[graceful pine]

either lunar or Selenian

[worthy rose]

they always bring great new UI improvements and stuff

on new years

im hyped

bad skins but amazing software improvements

[white cobalt]

emm, this is lore channel

[valid shell]

Not the channel for video settings discussion.

[worthy rose]

selenian works too i guess

selenial?

so winston is selenial

[limpid agate]

That's not a word.

Stop trying to invent words

[worthy rose]

selenian?

[limpid agate]

Just say he is from the moon.

[worthy rose]

im not the one who said selenian

chill

scroll up

[dire timber]

@worthy rose the skins are not canon

they could be hinting at Mexican heritage

but Reyes was born in LA

so he's not Mexican himself

[worthy rose]

selenian is a real word

mexican heritage is mexican origin

so he has mexican ancestry

therefore

[iron plume]

he's not confirmed to have any

[worthy rose]

that doesnt mean he doesnt

[iron plume]

it's suggested but not stated

[worthy rose]

when he has mexican skins im allowed to believe he is

[white cobalt]

...

[dire timber]

sure, it's likely

[worthy rose]

it wasnt disproven

[valid shell]

You can believe what you want. Don't state it as fact.

[dire timber]

just don't go stating it as fact

[limpid agate]

Lack of disproof is not proof

[iron plume]

a lot of things "aren't disproven"

doesn't make them true

[worthy rose]

well theres more "evidence" than things against it

[valid shell]

He could just as easily have Colombian background.

[worthy rose]

i.e the mexican skins

[limpid agate]

Is Genji Persian

[valid shell]

Is Torbjorn a pirate.

[worthy rose]

genji could have persian origins b-

[valid shell]

Or ex-Deadlock.

[worthy rose]

every hero seems to have 2 legendaries related to their ancestry

[valid shell]

Is Zenyatta our third Egyptian hero?

[limpid agate]

Except that's not true

[worthy rose]

youve got a point there

[limpid agate]

Unless you mean to convince me that D.Va is either part Australian or part Bee.

[worthy rose]

but dva has clear origins

[valid shell]

Reyes doesn't speak a word of Spanish.

[worthy rose]

reaper doesnt

[limpid agate]

So does Reaper

He is from America.

He is from L.A.

[worthy rose]

thats not an origin

[valid shell]

???

[worthy rose]

the US is a melting pot

[limpid agate]

Its just as much of an origin as D.Va is from Busan

[valid shell]

Then what's Jack Morrison's origins?

[worthy rose]

europe

[limpid agate]

Based on waht

[worthy rose]

[valid shell]

No, American.

[worthy rose]

based on he's white

[valid shell]

Same as McCree.

[dire timber]

okay, so, calm down

[valid shell]

Same as Reyes.

[worthy rose]

reyes isnt white

[dire timber]

the skin does hint at Reyes having Mexican heritage

hint

[limpid agate]

Reyes is American.

[worthy rose]

yes

[limpid agate]

Morrison is American.

[worthy rose]

it does hint

[dire timber]

the skins are loosely tied to their background

[iron plume]

Mercy has Viking skins but she's not scandinavian

[worthy rose]

she is

no

[iron plume]

...

[worthy rose]

she's from switzerland

she's swiss

[valid shell]

@iron plume wuh

[iron plume]

that's

[weak crane]

[iron plume]

not the same thing

[valid shell]

????????

[dire timber]

that's just

no

[iron plume]

Switzerland is not nordic

[white cobalt]

Can we move on?

[dire timber]

Mercy's only connection to Scandinavian countries is, what, possibly being adopted by Lindholms?

[white cobalt]

we're running circles

[worthy rose]

and that's tenuous

what

[iron plume]

her connection is being named a valkyrie

[worthy rose]

she is

if i could send screenshots

id show it

[iron plume]

and that's pretty much it

[worthy rose]

switz is scandinavian

[dire timber]

no

[iron plume]

...no

[worthy rose]

no

[iron plume]

no it's not

[worthy rose]

i have a screenshot to prove it

dude do you know geography?

[dire timber]

Switzerland is to the south of Germany

[iron plume]

are you talking about sweden

[dire timber]

you're confusing it with Sweden

[worthy rose]

i know where countries are

ive been to switzerland

[iron plume]

clearly not

[worthy rose]

switzerland is in central europe

[worthy rose]

im in central europe

Scandinavia is that hanging thing on top

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

tempted to post this or r/facepalm

[white cobalt]

https://i.imgur.com/ZXFYsgr.png

Composition

There is not switzerland

[limpid agate]

Switzerland doesn't even border it

[worthy rose]

so by your logic

UK isnt in europe

[white cobalt]

...

[worthy rose]

because it left the EU

XD

[white cobalt]

Oh god

[limpid agate]

That's not the same at all. I'm ending this.

[white cobalt]

Jewvia pls

[limpid agate]

This is a waste of time.

[worthy rose]

ok

[dire timber]

please stop

[worthy rose]

i literally just said ok

chill

[valid shell]

Anyways. Until word of God, Reyes is American.

[worthy rose]

he was in the US army

[dire timber]

I mean, he is a Latino American

[worthy rose]

he keeps it going

[dire timber]

that we know for a fact

[worthy rose]

mad lads

and put in to the US super soldier program

theyre still going

so I think god has already spoken

did you even read what via said

anyways

my point was

that pharah and ana are inaccurate

[limpid agate]

Yeah so is Torb

He's a dwarf from Ironforge

[worthy rose]

feels kind bad that pharah was never taught egyptian

[limpid agate]

Realism isn't the priority

[worthy rose]

besides, who knows what could happen in 60 years

[iron plume]

“egyptian”

Pharah may well know Arabic

but she works in an international organization

[umbral fiber]

Can someone please explain how we're assuming Pharah/Ana being egyptian is done wrong?

[iron plume]

and in a military or similar setting it’s inportant to be clear quickly

[dire timber]

pretty sure she does, in fact, know Arabic

your complaint could be that she has no voice lines in Arabic

[worthy rose]

egyptian is a branch of arabic

[limpid agate]

The complaint was they have too much mythology in their lore

[umbral fiber]

Oh we're back to that

[worthy rose]

which is kinda true

[umbral fiber]

I thought it had pivoted to language, I was confused

Again. You have literal cowboys running the American southwest.

[dire timber]

Ana balanced it out, with that hood giving her a more modern Egyptian look

[worthy rose]

its done wrong because modern egypt is not like ancient egypt

[umbral fiber]

A military unit manned by video game champs

[worthy rose]

they dont worship osiris

[limpid agate]

Modern China is not like Overwatch china either.

They don't worship Osiris in Overwatch either.

[umbral fiber]

A crusade-era Kngiht's Order in Germany

[worthy rose]

they dont worship them but they have egyptian god tatoos

[umbral fiber]

Culture in OW has clearly took a 478-degree from our reality

[limpid agate]

So what

[worthy rose]

and they went a step further with that bastet thing

[dire timber]

the world of Overwatch is heavily stylized

[limpid agate]

I know a greek guy with a Poseidon tattoo

[worthy rose]

your greek friend is not an appeal to culture in a video game

[umbral fiber]

@worthy rose Again. If I jammed King Tut's mask on my face and ran around killing people, I'm pretty sure there'd be people talking about the Ghost of King Tut killing people

[worthy rose]

ana is a sniper , supposed to be healthy

why would you want to be recogfnized

with a mask

[dire timber]

um, what?

[umbral fiber]

.....didn't you read the story?

[dire timber]

you're making no sense

[worthy rose]

i didnt

[slender lintel]

it’s a skin...

[limpid agate]

!!bastet

[worthy rose]

tl;dr

[umbral fiber]

She did it as a symbol, because she realized what the symbol of "Soldier 76" was doing for the people

[limpid agate]

Youre not getting aTLDR

Read the story

[twilit nacelle]

If you want to talk about the Ana skin, Soldier being gay, or anything else related to the short story, please read it first here: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM

[worthy rose]

oh ight

[limpid agate]

Stop wasting our time.

[worthy rose]

!!ping

[umbral fiber]

She became "Bastet" for the same reason Jack is running around as "Soldier 76"

[worthy rose]

wait so 76 is gay?

[dire timber]

https://i.imgur.com/irJ5MwK.png

[umbral fiber]

....

[dire timber]

"Dr. Lee" doesn't sound like a Polish surname

[limpid agate]

You're not getting another warning for derailing this channel with pointless crap

[iron plume]

She wants to be recognized because she wanted to be feared by the people who’d otherwise come back to power

[limpid agate]

Read the story

[worthy rose]

damn so people may have been right

i did hear people saying "76 is gay"

[iron plume]

Lee isn’t, but I wouldn’t read much into it

[umbral fiber]

@limpid agate Serious suggestion: Is there a way to have the bot recognize when someone makes their first comment from a certain point (i.e. now, 8 pm EST), and autmatically message them saying "READ THE COMIC FIRST"?

[umbral fiber]

Doctors travel.

Lee probably just excels at cranial surgery

Or he's Polish-Korean

[iron plume]

professionals in general often do

[worthy rose]

not too unlikely, given 60 years

is there a specific page where its stated about 76's preference?

[iron plume]

Lee is also an English surname

[worthy rose]

just read the thing

[umbral fiber]

That too, sorry

[iron plume]

so moving that is even less unlikely

[umbral fiber]

Shouldn't have assumed Korean

[low frigate]

@worthy rose Page 12

[worthy rose]

@low frigate thx bb

[umbral fiber]

ANYWAY.

I'm curious if the quickpatch is going to have voicelines of Pharah commenting on her mother's letter

[worthy rose]

nah, just reaper buffs

[umbral fiber]

Since it turns out she never knew Ana lived until getting a letter

Wait it already patched itself?

[worthy rose]

only in ptr

[umbral fiber]

I only got the download the other day

Ah

[spiral geode]

Wait so Soldier is gay?

[limpid agate]

Pharah received it

She knows

@spiral geode Did you read the short story?

[spiral geode]

Not in its entirety

didnt have time

[worthy rose]

it's at the end

[umbral fiber]

"wait so soldier is gay" should trigger a bot >.>

Right right, my point being I'm sure Pharah has something to say about being told "Yeah btw I'm not dead sorry for lying to you for years love mummy <3"

And in a letter, not even in person

[graceful pine]

Pharah's mom is Egyptian

[worthy rose]

it's like breaking up over text, but worse

[graceful pine]

she enlisted in the Egyptian military

how are people thinking she's not Egyptian

[umbral fiber]

@worthy rose Exactly

[old summit]

i know the writing isnt 100% the best but i really loved the info

[limpid agate]

I like the world building and consistency.

[worthy rose]

Gabe had a family, thats ...

[umbral fiber]

Very interesting

[worthy rose]

RIP

either they died or he died to them

and they died to him

he doesnt even care about them anymore

or he's hiding it so good

i bet he had a lot of kids

[umbral fiber]

You're thinking Torb

[worthy rose]

torb still lives with his family

reaper doesnt even know if theyre still alive

[round bough]

@worthy rose you remember the Christmas comic of reaper staring at a family of three

That MIGHT be his family

Because Michael said that’s not just any ordinary family

[wet gazelle]

probably his family

[worthy rose]

oh youre right

[round bough]

[worthy rose]

so he does care

[round bough]

Yep.

[umbral fiber]

inb4 Sombra is his niece

[worthy rose]

even if its not his family

[umbral fiber]

Too old to be daughter*

[worthy rose]

he's longing for them

he sees it and remembers

oof

[round bough]

Son or Wife

[worthy rose]

big oof to the feels

[round bough]

Maybe moira did smth to him

Hm

[worthy rose]

mercy broke him and moira fixed him

just like winston fixed tracer

[iron plume]

...

[worthy rose]

really?

[iron plume]

mercy had nothing to do with him

[worthy rose]

"you tell me doc"

I'd say the explosion broke him

[round bough]

[limpid agate]

Mercy had nothing to do with Reaper.

[iron plume]

jesus fucking christ not this again

[round bough]

Didn’t HE cause the explosion with jack

[worthy rose]

she tried to save him but botched it and left him for dead

[round bough]

Or smth

[iron plume]

no

she didn't

[worthy rose]

"you tell me doc" is just that she's a doctor

[white cobalt]

wtf is this

[limpid agate]

!!loreWiki

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Overwatch_Wiki

[limpid agate]

@worthy rose

[iron plume]

moira's experimentation was before the explosion

[limpid agate]

Read the wiki

[round bough]

Wait ill come back later I’m in class now YEET

[worthy rose]

we saw in a comic that Moira was experimenting with Reaper

yes let me read the entire wiki

great idea

[iron plume]

or just Reaper

[limpid agate]

Don't be a smartass.

[iron plume]

you know, the subject you're trying to talk about

while knowing nothing

[limpid agate]

Stop trying to talk about things you have no understanding of as if you completely understand them

[worthy rose]

ok

[wet gazelle]

so did Moira's treatment have unforseen sideffects or did it just degrade?

[iron plume]

jewvia can you put that as a bot command too

both, probably

plus the explosion certainly didn't help

[worthy rose]

got a little harsh there dnjdbfks

you get used to it

i now know to never talk about lore since I'm new to this all

good choice

[limpid agate]

You are welcome to ask questions and learn more

[worthy rose]

i should do the same

well i mean he wasn't being like. rude about it or anything

There's no reason to believe that Mercy was at all involved with Reaper's current state.

[limpid agate]

You are not welcome to act as though you know everything then refuse to listen when told otherwise by the entire channel.

[iron plume]

Feel free to speculate if you think about something, too
just don't take it personally if it's wrong and people say it is

[worthy rose]

i thought she had something to do with it too honestly but idk if someone should get treated so harshly for being misinformed fjsbdjsn

Besides the voiceline, which would be something I would expect Reaper to say when talking to any best doctor in the world

[limpid agate]

You missed the part where he said Switzerland was in Scandinavia.

[iron plume]

it's not because he's misinformed, it's because he's refusing to get informed

[worthy rose]

i only saw you guys reacting to the mercy thing

[valid shell]

Boy this new reveal is going to bring all kinds of characters to this channel.

These next few days are gonna be fun.

[iron plume]

another day, another dae mercy created reaper

such is life in lore-d

[umbral fiber]

Lore thing that bugs me the most: Athena told Winston that the PETRAS act (I think that was the name?) would mean that his Recall was a bad idea

We've seen no fallout. At all.

[worthy rose]

i got called a fag over it so I'm kinda like barely wanting to be here @valid shell

yet

[valid shell]

@worthy rose k

[worthy rose]

uh

the UN might have bigger problems to deal with

[iron plume]

it's because new OW is still pretty small scale

[limpid agate]

They will write something about it eventually.

[worthy rose]

like the second omnic crisis, the bombing in Numbani, the Junkers

[iron plume]

they haven't done much in the public eye

[limpid agate]

Keep in mind the only thing Overwatch has done post Recall is...

The Museum heist

[iron plume]

I doubt UN is dealing with the junkers

[limpid agate]

From the very first trailer

[iron plume]

they're at most a national issue

[worthy rose]

As in the two running around blowing things up

[umbral fiber]

But NOTHING! Hell, I'd have settled for a random tv blurb "U.N. Secretery so-and-so released a statement in regards to reports of Overwatch activity..." in Katya's office before Zarya came in

But there's been nothing suggesting the outside world is aware of what happened.

[iron plume]

two criminals who steal shit aren't really UN material either

[dire timber]

https://i.imgur.com/8FIvhHh.png

huh

[limpid agate]

@umbral fiber

[iron plume]

might be wanted by some international police people

[worthy rose]

But no individual country could deal with them

[iron plume]

but not UN

[dire timber]

so the family in Reflections is Reyes' family

[umbral fiber]

@limpid agate Oh, is that...from a comic?

[limpid agate]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/20130523

News Report

[round bough]

Yep.

[limpid agate]

About the only Overwatch activity that's happened post Recall

[umbral fiber]

Ohhh, I missed a lot of the old site-based lore posts

[limpid agate]

!!loreText

[twilit nacelle]

Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM

News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr

Other Blog Posts:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Oasis Travel Tips: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B

[limpid agate]

Here's the full list

[umbral fiber]

Thanks

[iron plume]

are those mod-only

[limpid agate]

Trusted has access

[iron plume]

:(

alright i'll just send ppl to pins still then

[dire timber]

!!lorehelp

any list of commands?

[limpid agate]

Its !!loreList

[dire timber]

!!lorelist

[twilit nacelle]

Here is a list of all #lore-discussion specific tags:
loreComics, loreHeroes, loreOnly, loreShorts, loreText, loreWiki

[dire timber]

!!loreheroes

[twilit nacelle]

To learn more about the heroes of Overwatch, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/

[limpid agate]

loreOnly is a generic warning

[dire timber]

!!loreheroes dva

hmm

[limpid agate]

Its not that complex

The bot just posts a pre-set message based on your input

If you want I can make more of these

But I aint making 29 for each hero to get a link to their hero page.

I am open to suggestions though.

[round bough]

Just search on the internet, welp.

[umbral fiber]

Hmm....!!lastlore, gives a link to whatever the most recent lore post (cinematic, story, etc) is?

[round bough]

;-;

Good idea, axslayer

[limpid agate]

Alternatively, I can just use !!bastet

For a quick link to the recent lore

Since the people with access to the commands know what the most recent thing is

[dire timber]

@limpid agate can't you make it a variable?

so that "!!loreHeroes bastion" would redirect to "https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/bastion#story"

[worthy rose]

!!loreheroes

!!ping

thats some high ms delay

[limpid agate]

I'll ask.

[umbral fiber]

....ooh.

[dire timber]

"!!loreHeroes [name]" would create a link to "https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/[name]#story"

[limpid agate]

But I think it would have to be !!loreBastion

[umbral fiber]

I assume comp seasons are standard lengths, right?

!!comptime could return remaining days in the current comp season

[limpid agate]

But that's a good idea with variables, I'll suggest it

Thanks

[iron plume]

they're not exactly the same
but this isn't lore disc

[umbral fiber]

Ah, sorry, didn't realize the bot was channel specific

[fresh hare]

Well... is 76 confirmed as gay/bisexual now, given the whole Vincent thing?

[iron plume]

yes

[fresh hare]

nice

[iron plume]

https://twitter.com/westofhouse/status/1082394625837428736

Michael Chu 🎉💼 (@westofhouse)

Thanks for all the messages about “Bastet”!

Jack and Vincent were in a romantic relationship many years ago. Both identify as gay. ❤️

Retweets

6430

Likes

13043

Twitter

[valid shell]

@fresh hare Gay.

[fresh hare]

That's what the tweet says, yes.

[storm cedar]

Hey all, I’m watching some of the old cinematicas, saw the widow one and have a thought, if he was a Robot.... couldn’t they just repair him?

After reading the forum and reddit posts it’s just oofing me more

[peak escarp]

Mondatta was shot through the head, presumably destroying his memory core

they might be able to rebuild him, but he wouldn't be the same person

[limpid agate]

We haven't seen any omnics come back from being shot in the head.

We've seen them rebuilt

Like Orisa

But with entirely new personalities

[peak escarp]

I'm surprised nobody else mentioned the other implication of this (except not really because nobody but us seems to know it):

Jack is gay and Catholic

[limpid agate]

Oh I forgot about that

[umbral fiber]

.....STOP THE GUTENBERG

He's Catholic?

[iron plume]

yes, it's on his dogtag

[worthy rose]

I assume that, after 60 years, they've stopped most of the hating on minorities.

[umbral fiber]

Yes, yes, I mean they hate robots, but still

[worthy rose]

Robots are a new minority, so it will take a while for the hate to die

[umbral fiber]

I think Six's point is that making the "All-American Boy Scout Tough Guy Wounded Warrior No-Feeling God-Fearing Man's Man" of Overwatch gay, is basically Blizzard dropping 40 lb. titanium balls on the table and telling the world "Go for it. I dare you."

This is brilliant.

[worthy rose]

Actually, now that I think about it, that was an amazing way to challenge the haters

[peak escarp]

I mean, Jack being Catholic is such an obscure bit of trivia I doubt anyone who isn't a regular here even knows it

[worthy rose]

It's not surprising to me, even though I just learned about it

[umbral fiber]

Ohhhhh they're gonna now, I guarantee it

[peak escarp]

it's been on Jack's Commando/Night Ops skins since release

in really tiny detail

[umbral fiber]

Hot damn

The one thing that I'm ecstatic about - the fact that Jack is gay puts the "D.Va is Jack's daughter theory" to death

[iron plume]

as if the phrase "D.va is Jack's daughter" didn't do that

[peak escarp]

that was a terrible theory to start with

[pallid crag]

Wait lmao

Did that exist?

Matpat level theory right there

[umbral fiber]

Rumor has it the 76 "I'm not your father" line was added because of that stupid theory

Either that or the "76 is Pharah's father" theory, I forget which

[valid shell]

Gay couples can adopt my dude. Don't think anybody's going to stop crack theories.

And both those are abjectly untrue.

[pallid crag]

Shit u right

[valid shell]

Pharah's dad is Sam. D.Va's dad was a SK Starcraft player.

Neither of those humans are Jack.

[peak escarp]

the line was added because of the Dad: 76 meme

[pallid crag]

When did Pharah’s father’s name get confirmed?

I’ve heard the name Sam, but I don’t remember it

[valid shell]

Chu confirmed it on twitter and we've seen him twice now.

Once in Reflections, and again in Ana's spray.

[pallid crag]

Oh shid

Well yeah he’s in the comic and the spray

[valid shell]

He's a Native Canadian civil servant and, as we've only just learned, divorcee of Ana.

[pallid crag]

I need to check Micheal’s twitter more

Oh yeah with the ring

[worthy rose]

I’m definitely guessing you guys have talked about 76 being gay

[valid shell]

To death.

[worthy rose]

Lmfaooo

[valid shell]

So let's not rehash it.

[worthy rose]

Ok lol

[valid shell]

Then again, unfunny chucklefucks were coming in here daily and dropping "DAE TARCER IS GAY??????" every day for two years.

So I wouldn't expect much.

[umbral fiber]

Honestly

I'm not a shipper.

I hate shipping.

[worthy rose]

Well

[umbral fiber]

But I'm curious who the first named person to be in an Omnic relationship will be

[worthy rose]

All those people that shipped Mercy and 76 are crying

[umbral fiber]

Heh.

Ha.

HAHAHAAAA!

I FORGOT ABOUT THEM!

[valid shell]

Stop.

[umbral fiber]

Sorry.

[worthy rose]

And about omnic relations, look at the alive cinematic

[valid shell]

We know blondie from We Are Overwatch/Alive is dating an Omnic.

[umbral fiber]

Right right, I said named though

Like hero or someone connected to a hero

[worthy rose]

zenyatta

[umbral fiber]

(Or villian of course)

[valid shell]

Max.

[worthy rose]

^^^^

[umbral fiber]

Zenyatta doesn't count, he IS an Omnic and chaste.

[worthy rose]

There we go

[umbral fiber]

Huh?

[worthy rose]

Maximilien

[umbral fiber]

....he was shown to be with someone?

I thought he just ran a Talon casino?

[worthy rose]

I don’t think he was...

[umbral fiber]

Then....

[worthy rose]

He runs the casino but I don’t think it’s ever acknowledged that he’s even looking

There’s not a lot of lore surrounding him

[umbral fiber]

...OHHH, you're betting he would most likely be the one they choose, if they choose someone who already exists

Ok

[worthy rose]

Yeah

[umbral fiber]

Sorry, was confused for a sec

[worthy rose]

Lol I worded it wrong, it’s fine

Anyways, god damn

That was a lore mine we got today

[peak escarp]

indeed

another puzzle piece to fill in the timeline

and references to past events that could be built on later

[worthy rose]

Of course

Reapers family could be expanded into an entire comic tbh

[primal osprey]

I may be late, but is RK25WEUAJIPO1546649730105 leading us on a new arg?

[valid shell]

@proud ruin Yeah haha.

[proud ruin]

Wait, before I post

[valid shell]

Hundredth person to make that softbrain joke.

[proud ruin]

Sheeeittt

I'll see myself out

[primal osprey]

Does anyone agree

It's an odd name for a pdf

[iron plume]

it's an autogenerated one by their content system

they dont' control it

[primal osprey]

okay

also the new ana skin definitely has an uwu feel to ie

With this and the lucio skin is blizzard attempting to appeal to furries\

[peak escarp]

a lot of mythology is animalistic

[primal osprey]

Hmm

[peak escarp]

also people like animal designs

[primal osprey]

It's true, though animal ears themselves are more associated with the furry sect

The skins would not bring to mind those thoughts if they were lacking ears, such as the snow owl ana skin

[peak escarp]

if it was just ears I'd agree with you

but the skins are the whole animal

[iron plume]

just ears aren't furry

and clearly invokes the full look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet

[primal osprey]

Point taken

[round bough]

Some time in the past I was a maniac over ancient Egyptian gods thanks to a TV show so I know so many of them lmao

[valid shell]

@round bough Mummy's Alive?

[dire timber]

egyptians are the original furries

[granite gazelle]

as of recently i heard more news surrounding lgbt in ow

is this true is so anyone got the info?

[formal adder]

Yeah soldier is gay

Michael Chu tweeted confirming it

[granite gazelle]

pfft

[formal adder]

And it was shown in the new comic

[granite gazelle]

i guess the lgbt community within the forums won

good on them

[formal adder]

Ok

[peak escarp]

not comic

short story

[untold vessel]

Anyone else lacking motivation reading the short story

[iron plume]

There will be a few pictures a couple of pages down, you'll get through it

[peak escarp]

it's like 18 pages

you get bored reading that little?

[iron plume]

it's even less, 18 is the total pdf

there's slightly under 11 of text

[untold vessel]

I'll just read it l a t e r

[late fiber]

i just found out that 76 is gay

[untold vessel]

Tumblr is going wild right now, you wouldn't believe it

[late fiber]

XD

[peak escarp]

oh, I can imagine

[nova spear]

People seem to forget tracer also gay

[old girder]

when both faces of ow (tracer and soldier) are gay

[untold vessel]

Who do you think will be next?

[nova spear]

Guys new leak winsto is trans

[late fiber]

rein XD

[nova spear]

N*

[pastel steppe]

While I don't care about this that much on one hand changing a character 2years is weird on the other hand we were never told that soldier was straight. I don't see the gay trope as prevalent but more of a random soldier goes to war but their partner finds someone else because they were away trope

[peak escarp]

it's not changing a character

it's revealing something that has always been true

[nova spear]

Fax

[valid shell]

@nova spear I'm sorry nobody's biting your shit bait.

[fallen junco]

changing a character would be if they announce ana is gay

[valid shell]

Better luck next time.

[fallen junco]

my gut reaction was "it doesnt really matter, why the hell would I care!" but angry

[nova spear]

It's a joke @valid shell

[valid shell]

Read the channel header.

[fallen junco]

and im now more of "it doesnt matter, i dont care" but calmly

[untold vessel]

. . . I did not even realize I was in #lore-discussion

[valid shell]

Most people don't.

[late fiber]

lmao

[fallen junco]

i have problems with them just throwing around these kind of things around, dangerously close to consumer political correctness

[pastel steppe]

It doesn't really matter in the end though because it's not like they have 10voice lines of them saying I'm a flaming homo with 20 rainbow skins it's just subtle lore that doesn't affect game play

[fallen junco]

but then again, it helps with representation

[peak escarp]

it literally changes nothing

because it has been there all along

[valid shell]

Even if it's for political correctness, so what? The intent behind the characterization doesn't matter if it's received well, as long as they're not looking to take advantage of anyone.

[fallen junco]

i am however annoyed by snowflakes who are mad that this is a threat to their "normal understanding of overwatch lore"

[valid shell]

This isn't the channel to tell ghost stories about supposed people somewhere on another site being upset.

Let's leave that high school drama at the door.

[pastel steppe]

Did jack meet up with the guy he was in a relationship with because I thought his white hair was post ow headquarters being blown up

[fallen junco]

i dont mind political correctness, it's commercial, consumerist approach to it that i am usually iffy about

[valid shell]

Eh. It's too hard to see his hair color in the first panel. Was it most likely white because the artist wasn't planning ahead? Probably. That artist is notorious for drawing weird shit.

[fallen junco]

but yes, let's leave this at that

[valid shell]

Like Roadhog's missing belly tattoo, and Torbjorn being fuckhuge beside his normal-proportioned wife.

[pastel steppe]

Eh I just feel if they wanted to be like it was there all along in the reflections comic that the picture in the recent short story should be more similar with outfits poses hair color or maybe I'm a dumbass and soldier carries around more than one photo

[valid shell]

It's probably supposed to be the same picture.

Just updated for a more accurate Jack.

[peak escarp]

yeah

the older one has bad art

[lusty helm]

They should have just come out with it at the start, like with Tracer. Not while the whole world is obsessed with being PC. It's too coincidental, and frankly infuriating.

The story itself I'm grateful for. I love lore and happy to read more into it. I'm just like Geo... Iffy on the sudden spout off of closet opening of a 3 year old character's sexuality.

[peak escarp]

Tracer wasn't at the start

it was several months after release

[lusty helm]

Closer to it than soldier

At least it wasn't years later.

[peak escarp]

if that's your argument then they should just reveal everything at the start

and not tell any story

[valid shell]

@lusty helm I'm sure you would have been super chill if they had outed Jack as being straight 3 years late.

Dunno the difference here.

[pastel steppe]

Who said tracer was straight in the beginning?

[valid shell]

Nobody.

[lusty helm]

They never tolld any story at all lol that's the issue. All people care about is being PC. Anyway: super chill as straight? Sure, he was portrayed as straight. I'm a girl, I see things differently. Tracer came off as not such to me and I didn't care that she was announced lesbian

[valid shell]

If learning your token Call of Duty gun guy once kissed another dude at some point in his life "infuriates" you, then maybe it's time to examine some things about yourself.

[lusty helm]

Once more I dont care he's avidly gay. That isn't my point. It's the reasoning for it. If you can't see that, perhaps you should re examine some things about yourself.

[peak escarp]

if you don't think they've told any story then you're in the wrong place

[pastel steppe]

Wait waffle how did soldier come off as straight to you?

[lusty helm]

Allow me my opinion. Oh ✋...this is overwatch. I forgot this community is toxic and because I don't have a dick, I'm supposed to be the bad person.

[valid shell]

😂

Okay amigo.

[lusty helm]

I'm,out

Lol

[valid shell]

Keep being mad.

[lusty helm]

;)