why aren’t their human monks?
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
peak escarp
who says there aren't?
the Shambali are specifically an omnic sect of monks, but there are probably others that are mostly/entirely human
worthy rose
Frick...
reef thicket
oof
to binge does good animations though
always enjoy watching her videos
OW ones atleast
she makes a load of Fortnite ones now..
ew
also sorry for getting offtopic ill shut up now
frosty shell
Also, Alive must've happened in the winter-ish months given how dark it is and the time on the clock
reef thicket
what time was it
in the cinematic
cant remember.. all i remember is the 4:20 meme version of it
but yeah i can vouch for that (im english) and it gets dark atm
at around... 3:30 - 5pm
in the winter that is
worn solar
What’s Hanzo currently up to?
Is he just being a vigilante? The Junkenstein’s Revenge event seems to imply that
valid shell
The Junkensteinverse isn't canon.
Last we saw he had completely changed his look and was buying a christmas cake.
peak escarp
peak escarp
people are already complaining about this
pliant sparrow
Why
limpid agate
@vital cloud Shitposting will result in a loss of access
peak escarp
@pliant sparrow because it's not substantial lore
it's production trivia
they want Chu to give us the entire history of Overwatch on his twitter
wet fractal
moira ❤
reef thicket
<3
ionic zinc
is the lore of overwatch based on that of project titan?
the unreleased mmo of blizzard?
weary turtle
I think that they think of the gameplay before lore so i dont think anything unfinished would have that much lore
tepid abyss
does the sombra being a puppeteer to a reaper doll emote have any lore related meaning?
solemn pike
yes
she sabotaged the intended mission in her animated short
she does wtf she wants
and loves fucking with others
iron plume
the backstory of the universe and overwatch the organization is based in some part on titan
the characters' stories aren't
regal coyote
Bastion's Birdie from the cinematic is dead already.
not shitpost
birds like that, or similar size and what not, usually live less than 10 years
timeline puts last bastion at around the time of "fall of overwatch" so it is at leasst 15 years ago
so yeah, probably dead.
if any bird is seen it is probably the decendant
granite gazelle
but why would that bird also follow bastion?
reef thicket
^
exactly
- why does that birdie look the exact same as ganymedge and or why would they even make a second character
instead of easily saying its just its ganymede
peak escarp
how about Ganymede is the bird we see in Binary, and the one that woke Bastion up is its ancestor
reef thicket
i wish
blizzard had this
sortof like
Lore Ticket panel thing
u put a ticket to ask a lore question
it gets answered by someone that actually knows alot of OW lore
but not like.. HUGE questions like whats the future of OW or something like that
maybe minor ones
peak escarp
we kinda have that with Chu's Twitter - ask him a question, maybe he'll answer
most of the lore we've gotten from him off Twitter has been an answer to a question - he rarely volunteers information
reef thicket
yeah i was gonna mention that but wasnt sure if he actually did that
because obviously the main guy in the OW lore department is willing to answer a bunch of questions
i assume not major ones
peak escarp
yeah, its mostly trivia
reef thicket
but getting an answer from him is the only hard part
since theres like 10000 people on his twitter
peak escarp
its unpredictable what he will answer
reef thicket
ye
which is why i suggested they added somesort of like
lore question thing
instead of 1 guy answering 10000 questions
would be really good for these trivia sortof questions
lofty moat
I made a thing
reef thicket
what did u make
reef thicket
nope only trusteed
wet fractal
valid shell
@wet fractal ?
wet fractal
?
valid shell
What's with the funny twitch meem face.
limpid agate
Someone pointed out this map on the forums
The reasons they had were off, thinking that Korea was because Talon sent the Kishin
But what caught my eye was the one on the left in NA
They said US, but it looks more like Ontario
Could be NY/Detroit though. Maybe 3 Omniums
pearl blade
Is the one in Africa Numbani?
limpid agate
Looks it
peak escarp
those are known locations of omniums, aren't they?
peak escarp
maybe Sombra is just interested in those ones
or those are the only ones still operating- Zenyatta had to come from somewhere
neat pivot
Nor the Australian Omnium, which is one of the most relevant to the story, even if it is destroyed
You'd still expect it to be on the map, in some form
limpid agate
Thats one that is forgiveable for being missing
But Russia is weird since Korea is there
dense estuary
that US dot would be about right for Detroit which I think did have an Omnium
Detroit is just across a bridge from Ontario
regal coyote
it is probably not an omnium map
not even a active omnium map
russia have at least that siberia omnium in action
i can forgive the korean location, given that omnium is quite secretive if anything
i mean if the korean sea omnium lcoation is known it is more than likely action is taken against it, especially when it is one of the msot hostile omnium
hell, it is deserving to "go junkers" on that omnium even, and take the fallout in exchange for permant threat neutralization.
worthy rose
SCATTER ARROW WAS ESSENTIAL TO HANZO LORE
regal coyote
lore != gameplay
peak escarp
frosty shell
I don't think the Junkers nuked their omnium; they either used a conventional explosive or caused a meltdown
The nuclear fallout came from the power core
pliant sparrow
It could be potential threats to talon, such as the Korean mecha program and rogue overwatch
limpid agate
Rogue Overwatch is in Gibraltar
And Jack/Ana are in Egypt
Lindholms are in EU
Mercy near Iraq
Genji in Japan
Its Numbani, Korea, and Detroit
limpid agate
The only thing we know that ties those 3 locations together is Omniums
Because there is nothing in India, Brazil, Oasis, or Europe
So it being Talon members is unlikely
peak escarp
"Michael has been talking to a fan who likes to theorycraft, he must be stealing ideas."
😑
cedar moon
Is Los Muertos/Junkers/Deadlock gang any threat to overwatch
limpid agate
@cedar moon Overwatch is currently just Winston, Tracer, Rein, Brig, Mei.
It also maybe has Torb/Bastion, Genji, Echo, and McCree in the future (but not now)
Los Muertos is a gang that deals in weapons trafficking and is sticking near Mexico
Deadlock is Ashe's gang that McCree showed wasn't too much of a problem
Junkers are just people who live in the Outback.
They're not a threat to anyone, they're just a city of scavengers.
None of them have any reason to attack Overwatch, whose de facto HQ is probably Watchpoint Gibraltar
limpid agate
She's already made contact
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
While McCree at the end of Reunion
More or less implies he has other stuff to do first
Before he comes back, if he does
lean prawn
forgot about the journals
coarse urchin
Hello, how old is mcree?
cunning ledge
37
coarse urchin
Was he a founder of deadlock?
past panther
Is Ana the oldest human character (because I guess Bastion would be the oldest by default)?
pliant sparrow
Isn’t rein older?
past panther
Checked some OW age site, Rein is older by one year (61 vs 60)
And apparently Bastion isn't the oldest.
Kinda thought he was asleep for like 300 years or whatever but I guess not. I watched the cinematic a long time ago but don't really remember how the lore went.
reef thicket
Rein/Ana/Solider are probably the oldest characters in ow
and bastion but he doesnt really age
since hes a beep boop
tawny skiff
Lol
past panther
Beep boop berson. I guess Zenyatta is that way too then?
reef thicket
yes
i had a question
the gun the or14's have / orisa
are they as powerful as bastions mini gun?
i know game doesnt = lore but when orisa is spraying into me it legit feels like a bastion LOL
worthy rose
I don't think so, Orisa's fusion driver seems strong enough that she has to slow down and keep her stability, but not quite as much power as Bastion's OMGWTFBBQ gun
worthy rose
yes
reef thicket
they shoot lasers or plasma whatever
worthy rose
the name fusion driver indicates that it's basically an automatic blaster from star wars
if not a nuclear waste disposal
worthy rose
Probably not
worthy rose
it's implied that Efi invented fusion drivers, I think
reef thicket
honestly still would've wanted an OR14 hero with the blade instead of orisa
worthy rose
Actually, that sounds a little shifty
worthy rose
Good, that makes more sense
iron plume
vestal wasp
If Ashe had to choose between Talon and Overwatch, where would she end up at, considering McCree?
reef thicket
none she has deadlocke
or she'd be neither like hanzo
i doubt talon would recruit some cowboy girl with a rifle
and a big robot
she could fit more in overwatch cuz mcree is a cowboy too but blizzard have said she is a villian
she aint a good girl
past panther
Classic Western outlaw stereotype: They either have a gang of their own, go solo or go all Jesse-James / Bonnie and Clyde duo
wait I think Jesse James is just one person, nvm
reef thicket
^
if the deadlocke gang fell apart she'd probably go on her own
since she isnt fitting for talon
hates mcree so not overwatch and shes a villian
worthy rose
Like junkrat and hog, not really on either side
worthy rose
But, if anything, they would be paid by Talon to make a distraction
past panther
So lore wise if there was a team with ex. Ashe, McCree, Hanzo, Junkrat, Orisa and Mercy, it wouldn't make much sense
reef thicket
doesnt sound friendly
vestal wasp
If Ashe hates McCree, why does McCree keep ashe-themed souvenirs on his bike?
vestal wasp
Ah, suspected it was his since he did eat in that place
reef thicket
yeah ashe mentions the bike multipule times
in the after credits she screams at mcree riding past "HEY THATS MY BIKE MCREEEEEEEEE!"
and has an interaction about the bike ingame
iron plume
there's also the minishort that's after where she talks about it
peak escarp
yeah, that's what they're talking about
deft ice
is there a decent amount of info on zenyatta?
im curious as to who he is exactlyt
and if hes related to that gandhi like guy who got assassinated by widow
peak escarp
there's actually very little info on Zenyatta
deft ice
damn
peak escarp
we know that he is a shambali monk - Mondatta (the gandhi like guy) was the leader of the Shambali monks
we know that after leaving Overwatch and wandering for some time, Genji found Zenyatta and came to terms with his new body
deft ice
is there a reason genji picked zen out of all the monks to be his teacher?
ah
any info on the shambali monks ?
peak escarp
Recognizing the spiritual equality they held with humans, the monks, led by the enigmatic robot known as Tekhartha Mondatta, sought to heal the wounds caused by the Omnic Crisis a generation earlier and bring humans and robots back into societal harmony. Their message was embraced by millions around the world, and they became global celebrities.```thanks
peak escarp
deft ice
oo hes 20 yrs old
normal copper
Damn you guys know so much about the lore
peak escarp
that's what we're here for
pliant sparrow
It’s an interesting topic
reef thicket
frosty shell
Well, Zenyatta WAS a Shambali monk
regal coyote
i think he still is
he did not denounce shimbali
and does not seem to be kicked out
he just travel and do things differently
peak escarp
he did leave the Shambali
Ultimately, Zenyatta followed his own path. He chose to leave the monastery and wander the world, helping those he meets to overcome their personal struggles and find inner peace. But, when necessary, he will fight to protect the innocent, be they omnic or human.```he still shares their beliefs, and he and Genji live in the village below the monastery
peak escarp
interesting that Zen's bio doesn't mention Genji
limpid agate
Zen's bio is a year older than Genji's
regal coyote
while voicelines are not entirely canon, tracer calls zen a shimbali
limpid agate
Its like how Rein's and Torb's dont mention Brigitte
worthy rose
Oof
peak escarp
but Zen's relevance to the story is through Genji
those bios need to be rewritten
clear up some contradictions, add in the new story we've gotten since launch
weary turtle
It says that moira made weapons for blackwatch. Do we know any (besides reaper)
peak escarp
nope
weary turtle
Are there more then one valkyria suits?
As Overwatch's head of medical research, Angela sought to leverage her work for healing in frontline crises. The result was the Valkyrie swift-response suit, which Ziegler herself piloted on many Overwatch missions.
peak escarp
seems like just the one
worthy rose
how does reviving work?
weary turtle
This doesent really say it but mercy would have the motive to have multiple for others
Gameplay != lore
(Yay i got to say it :D)
worthy rose
uhm ok?
peak escarp
Mercy can probably "revive" people on the battlefield with a burst of healing to get them back on their feet, but not to the extent of bringing someone back to life once they've died
weary turtle
Ziegler rose to become the head of surgery at a prominent Swiss hospital before pioneering a breakthrough in the field of applied nanobiology that radically improved the treatment of life-threatening illnesses and injuries.
limpid agate
@weary turtle For Valk suits
We have seen only Mercy's and arguably Moira's
And Moira's is arguable because its only similar in appearance
It has no wings
weary turtle
Are the wings hardlight by the way?
weary turtle
Could the talon vishkar dude have been brainwashed like widow?
limpid agate
No
valid shell
@weary turtle Also it doesn't serve to have someone brainwashed on the Talon Council.
Which is why Widowmaker's just an agent, and Sanjay's a leader.
regal coyote
^
as for wings, the glowing part of it would be hardlight
since i recall things like rein's shield is a type of hardlight
same goes for similar stuff
rancid cipher
Does anyone know how old ashe is....for reasearch purposes
frosty shell
Genji wasn't in Zen's bio because he wasn't a hero yet
I wouldn't be surprised if Zenyatta was added into Genji's bio to give him more relevance to the story
peak escarp
Ashe is 39
swift swan
:o
peak escarp
a lot of people complain that she doesn't look 39
but I think she does
particularly since she's wearing heavy makeup as well
white cobalt
inb4 mercy doesn't look 37
prime merlin
guys dva is only 13 stop making fan art
peak escarp
the only one who doesn't look their age is Mei, and that's because she was frozen for 9 years
DVa is 19
prime merlin
no
worthy rose
wtf how do you think she's 13
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
worthy rose
reaper voice Moving on...
peak escarp
peak escarp
oh
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
peak escarp
damn
anyway, if you take into account the Blizzard style where everyone is soft and rounded, they all look their ages
if the art style was realistic, they'd all look 10 years younger than they're supposed to be
sterile kiln
quick lore question. Does Sanjay have a surname?
limpid agate
Korpal
sterile kiln
thanks
worthy rose
They're related, but not the same
limpid agate
Its the same biotic tech
worthy rose
Mercy can get constant healing, while Moira sucks the life out of people and sprays it out on her friends
limpid agate
Source
worthy rose
I know that gameplay != lore, but Moira probably would have some other weapon if she didn't rely on the same basic idea in the lore
After all, that tank on her back seems suspiciously like storage of some kind
limpid agate
Yes, but you are making assumptions on how her healing works based only on gameplay
worthy rose
It is true that some mechanics, like Bastion's limited healing, are for balance, not lore
limpid agate
We know that Moira has taken and uses Mercy's biotic tech with some modifications.
worthy rose
But I suspect that they try to keep them as similar as possible
limpid agate
Its Mercy's tech.
It is actually more of a connection to Mercy. You know, they both work together obviously. Moira was part of Black Watch. Mercy was a part of Overwatch, but she is definitely taken and modified some of the tech
worthy rose
Which is exactly what I meant. Moira and Mercy use similar methods of healing, but they aren't identical.
Mercys healing Is more focused and precise
It has been modified. I 'm really interested in how much Moira modified it.
granite gazelle
How are heals transfered?
worthy rose
Biotics
worthy rose
Probably
granite gazelle
U know if they are nanobots
worthy rose
I'd guess they're holding small bits of biological material or even lab-grown cells, and depositing those on wounds.
granite gazelle
I always wondered if a sombra emping some one would kill some one relying on them
worthy rose
Ssh, we don't think about that
granite gazelle
I see i see
regal coyote
it is all fantasy science
granite gazelle
Moira succ
regal coyote
the mercy's nanobiotic
worthy rose
Besides, it would probably just give an anti-heal effect, as the nanobots would stop functioning.
granite gazelle
U could easily hack and reprogram them to kill you inside out
regal coyote
but yes mercy, 76's can, ana drugs, moira is based on the same tech wieh variant
limpid agate
@granite gazelle We dont know how any of the healing is transfered
Other than Ana
Which is through injection
But the healing juice flying through the air
Doesn't make any sense and isnt explained ever
granite gazelle
I always figured it was bots
limpid agate
There are no nanobots
regal coyote
we see moira using her nanos in retribution opening so her delivery method is around that
we see ana, and that is easy enough
never seen mercy use hers though
regal coyote
not sure if it a gas or a spray of liquid/powder, but yes she sprays it out
limpid agate
Its a gas. McCree has a line about it
regal coyote
also she can injact them, during her experiment with herself
limpid agate
Though he could just be uneducated
regal coyote
or by touch, on gabe
i know the line. but mccree knw nothing technical on these sort of things
so take it with grain of salt
gas/mist, powder all look the same to mccree
all we are sure is that she can spray it out
mercy could be spraying it, from the staff design but no proof
peak escarp
to him it looks like poison gas
pliant sparrow
Could it be two long, flexible, tubes that it shoots out and injects into the other person?
reef thicket
Would be cool if moiras tubes actually emptied when she was out of juice
Instead of not being able to shoot anything even though shes full
karmic venture
worthy rose
This is lore discussion. You will probably find more answers in #overwatch
golden leaf
It noticed something interesting in tracers comix
Comic
She's wearing causal clothes and not the anchor
So how is she not teleporting around at random
regal coyote
see the background
his controller is nearby
she does not need it to be on her person
it is good enough if it is nearby to anchor her
golden leaf
Oohhh I see now. Thank you. I was confused
pearl blade
Is there any indication that the anchor affects other people in the area or does it just affect tracer?
golden leaf
Yeah. Alot of questions about tracer
regal coyote
it is fantasy science jumbo so yeah
peak escarp
it only affects Tracer because she has chronal disassociation
if anyone else had it and went near the docked chronal accelerator, it would affect them too
regal coyote
actually we dont know how it works at all
we know she can affact things she carry
but we dont know what the limit
mostly likely she can carry a human but can she, say carry a bike?
or a small car?
so yeah no real numbers here
we do need unlike in game it does need to charge and discharge
peak escarp
the purpose of the chronal accelerator is to anchor Tracer to this timeline
regal coyote
so using it for a while and she need to rest a bit for cooldown
the main purpose yes
but it does allow tracer to control her ondition
peak escarp
it works on other people, but since they don't phase out of sync with the timeline, it has no effect on them
regal coyote
as seen in alive and in the christmas comic\
peak escarp
it would not allow a normal person to blink/recall
peak escarp
I would assume anything she can pick up/carry would be taken with her when she blinks
otherwise her clothes/weapons would be left behind
frosty shell
"I'd guess they're holding small bits of biological material or even lab-grown cells, and depositing those on wounds" is probably the best explanation for Mercy's healing tech I've heard
Also, do we have any confirmation that Biotic Field uses Mercy's tech?
The anti-healing tech may use things to kill cells
Would that make it like chemical weapons?
peak escarp
the schematic for Ana's rifle showed that it uses the same tech as Soldier's biotic field
both the rifle and Ana's biotic grenade
it's a logical assumption that they both use biotic healing derived from Mercy's work
pliant sparrow
The rifle was made against what mercy wanted wasn’t it?
I’m sure I’ve read somewhere before that ana originally asked mercy to make her the weapon, or at least give her the biotics
Though from that it seems like it was Torbjörn
peak escarp
from the context, it seems like someone proposed to arm combat medics with a ranged delivery system of sorts, and Angela agreed on the condition that it could not be weaponized
Ana didnt use the rifle until after she left Overwatch, so I don't think it was intended for her
frosty shell
ok
worthy rose
I really hope one of the meka squad become a new hero, hopefully D.mon, since she seemed extra tanky, and is shown to have frontal shields.
hasty surge
Shouldn't we update canon objectives?
valid shell
@worthy rose We won't be getting another MEKA hero. Blizzard has been pretty transparent about how much they dislike D.Va's two-forms mechanic.
reef thicket
yeh dvas 2 life thing is
extremely annoying
if there was a second hero with that sorta thing..
worthy rose
Idk, i still have hope they will try and bring the mechanic back, or maybe just have it work like hammond.
regal coyote
asian people might be shorter, but we are not hammons short
worthy rose
Well as much as they may dislike the de-mech mechanic, I think that, from as little information we have on the character, that she could be a welcome addition. We need another shield tank, and in the Shooting Star animated short we see her with two green arm shields. She is also large, meaning she could be a slow high health tank which again, the game lacks. The demech may be an issue though.
olive karma
I refuse to believe Lucio's legs are real. It may not be the developers fault, but the legs are so out of order and too constricted around his knees for it to be real, or a least in his default and blue skins
limpid agate
Lucio does, in fact, have his legs
@olive karma
Blame the art and animators if you want, but they are there.
olive karma
Maybe they're deformed, and that's why he has to wear those leggings. Its a theory
limpid agate
There is nothing to suggest they're deformed
Pharah's joints are worse in game, and she is normal.
He has his legs. They're normal
He is not disabled
pliant sparrow
I mean, just look at hanzo’s ankles if you want poor design
limpid agate
Hanzo has weak ankles
pliant sparrow
Those things shouldn’t be able to support him at all
I mean just look at the difference between his wrist thickness and his ankle thickness
peak escarp
Chu's answers are getting shorter
I think he's tired of answering that question
the most common question he's answered is "how old is Tracer?/How old is she really?"
lavish mural
Will the last founder of Overwatch Liao ever get revealed
lavish mural
Inb4 Overwatch turns into some Avenger Civil War story arc...however there is a lot of neutrality atm. We will see if they will have to picks sides
vestal wasp
Speaking of joints and lucio legs
What's the deal with Reinhardt's size?
Even assuming the suit extends his size...
his head remains massive
paper sonnet
He's just big?
valid shell
@vestal wasp The Germans likely tried their own cocktail of soldier enhancement in response to the Crisis, like the US.
dawn knot
i also think there are some
stylistic choices that lead to things looking strangely proportioned
like torbjorn's hands are twice the size of his face
like everything with torbjorn is strange
he doesn't match real small person characteristics
and he's far to short to be just a stout man
so i choose to believe he was exaggerated in that way to make him seem more
"dwarf-like"
limpid agate
Torbjorn is designed to look like a dwarf from Ironforge rather than a dwarf from Earth.
dawn knot
ah
idk what ironforge is haha
excuse my ineptitude
i wonder where the true
real canon lies
if everybody is stylized
or perhaps
the way it looks and behaves as a franchise
makes it just that
a work of fiction
and i should stop scrutinizing it so much, applying harsh real world standards to it
limpid agate
Ironforge is the Dwarf capital of Warcraft
dawn knot
warcraft sounds like a nice game
limpid agate
Its Blizzard's biggest franchise
dawn knot
i wonder who the general audience for that game is
dawn knot
so people could essentially
live a smaller life within the virtual world
from what i understand of mmos
valid shell
Wtf is this topic.
limpid agate
Shitposting will result in a loss of access
dawn knot
ngl fair enough
valid shell
Why are we discussing WoW.
limpid agate
I thought it was just some one thinking Warcraft sounded edgy.
Because Torb is a dwarf from Ironforge, aesthetically
limpid agate
I really hate reading people say that they think Sombra was just faking surprise and that her name isn't Olivia Colomar
That would make Searching even more pointless than it already is
peak escarp
the first Doomfist's name is literally "doom fist"
the Devs chose these names for a reason
in Jack's case, it's a reference to the birth name of John Wayne
which was Marion Morrison
I would be shocked and a little pissed off if it turned out that Olivia Colomar isn't her name
the entire point of Searching was to shake Zarya's trust in Volskaya and to reveal Sombra's name
dawn knot
it's hilarious to me that zarya even got close to sombra
the whole comic seems stretched out of proportion to me
peak escarp
its ridiculous
the worst comic by far
but we have so little lore that we can't afford to ignore it, so we have to try to make sense of it
dire timber
did Chu ever answer these questions?
like why Zarya didn't start with Mexico and other Hispanic-speaking countries to begin with?
peak escarp
he hasn't answered any questions about it that I'm aware of
not on Twitter/the forums at least
his only mention of the comic was clarifying Lynx's pronouns
brisk harbor
How often does the lore get updated nowadays
I’ve been waiting for a new lore comic for a long time
peak escarp
there's also small bits with map releases
depends how much of the minor lore you want to count
comics have been on hold for all of Year 3 so far
but they are likely to come back some time in 2019
regal coyote
whatever
chu broke his promise, he is sorry for it though.
we just hope there would be more lore to work for
turns out it is the year with the LEAST lore
would ahve been happy even if we get a post of atlasnews bimonthly, or even trimonthly
peak escarp
what did Chu promise?
regal coyote
at beginning of 2018 he promised more lore
and ends up we have less the whole year
yeah.
he did sorts apologise for it though, so it all ok
bsut still, wish for more.
I am happy he answers questions from time to time really.
just hope we can at least get a bi monthy or even quarterly thing going
even if it is just something like atlasnews (this is obviously in addition to hero backstory for hero release)
peak escarp
I don't remember him promising that . . . was it in an interview?
regal coyote
forgot when he said it
but think it was a discussion on the comics
which made me believe they had some comic/whatnot ready in the backroom and not releasing it yet for reasons
or at least i used to believe that
peak escarp
hmm
I guess something came up that changed those plans
but I hope they're still aiming for longer comics - 10 pages isn't enough
regal coyote
depending on context
longer/shorter it is all ok
keywork being we need mroe stuff
subtle moss
They should hire a mangaka from Japan
regal coyote
different issues can have different art style
a genji comic, for example, would be reasonable for a mangas tyle
worthy rose
pih 9+uhfiygukgfyf6dföääöäö
pliant sparrow
Lol
regal coyote
actually a short 4 pae "daily life" of torby/brig comic would be cute, being done in ikea style
pliant sparrow
True
regal coyote
idea is to have different art style and such on different issue, it is cool and overall might be cheaper on things like cinematics.
I mean, obviously things like "the plan" is much much cheaper than other cinematics in terms of work and cost.
I man it is basically some SFM work int erms of visual, but it is the idea and story that counts.
worthy rose
I remember far up in the chat someone said that Blizzard expressed how much they do not like D.va's two life system. Can anyone quote or show me where they said this?
rich fulcrum
static saddle
Quick question! What means MEKA ?
iron plume
mobile exo-force of the korean army
worthy rose
Well earlier I proposed the idea that Hero 30 could be one of the MEKA pilots, most likely D.mon since she is the most tank-like and is shown to have shields, making her a contender for a brand new shield tank. It could be revealed similarly to Hammond, since the pilots have rooms in the MEKA BASE spawn room and hers could open in a similar fashion to Hammonds reveal, but apparently Blizzard was not a fan of D.vas two life system according to someone in the chat.
static saddle
Thx
Any marks for the new hero ?
Wait i just saw a sombra comic where she has no arm and leg but made on with her hackerskills is that true ?
iron plume
no
static saddle
Okay
iron plume
the heroes with prosthetics are McCree, Symm, Torb (arms); Junkrat (arm and leg), and Genji (part of torso, right arm, part of neck/head, possibly partial legs)
static saddle
How did hanzo hurt genji so bad with a Bow and arrow ?
iron plume
they fought with swords
static saddle
Ah
iron plume
Hanzo gave up his and took up the bow after the fight
static saddle
Is there any comic about that ?
iron plume
no, the initial fight is only described, not shown
static saddle
Okay
When you spawn in busan downtown and you have a lucio and a orisa they talk to each other about prosthetics and Eve
Eve should look at something from lucio
iron plume
do you mean Efi
past panther
Do all heroes have some kind of reinforcements on their legs and stuff, ex. Brigitte, Doomfist, Lúcio?
Is it to justify their jumpiness (ex. if they fall from high ground, their legs don't go crack but the leg, uh, reinforcements help them?)
iron plume
no, it's not everyone
there's no justification for the in-game falls because the game isn't canon
past panther
Guess so
vestal wasp
What's the deal with Ana saying
she doesn't like to make her targets suffer
hence going for OHKs
Yet IG she fights with a weapon that literally causes DoTs
peak escarp
gameplay != lore
subtle moss
Ana was originally a combatant rather than a medic I think, it might reference that rather than when she's using her modern rifle.
worthy rose
I want more about winston and hammond and their roles in their currents status, it seems like they get left in the dark a lot same with lucio and maybe sym
valid shell
@worthy rose wuh
Winston's arguably the most important character in the progression of plot.
dawn loom
limpid agate
He pressed a button and is the defacto leader of present day Overwatch
That button push is what is driving the story forwards, and is the purpose behind 3 of the last 4 shorts
Reaper just wants revenge, its more Doomfist that is pushing things forwards on Talon's side
But Reaper is important in the flashback story, being more or less the reason why Overwatch fell in the first place
Tracer isnt really that important
She's just a mascot
past panther
Were most characters who worked in Blackwatch those who continued on to Talon?
limpid agate
Reaper and Moira
There were others but they were just faceless troopers
Though the only other blackwatch members we know of are Genji, McCree, and Fio.
And no one knows what happened to Fio. Mostly because she's not important, just a pilot.
past panther
I see
I read some of the lore from the official page, I guess Moira didn't really have much options since she was tainted by the scientific community and her research was really controversial.
static saddle
Jep
iron plume
While the scientific world at large distrusted her, she did find work in Oasis
so it’s not like Talon was her only option
(unless she got the job because of the talon connection, but I doubt it)
She may well be actually on board with what they’re doing
languid iris
Moira is result-driven. She's not evil. She went to Talon because they could allow her to continue her research.
Whereas other roads were closed to her
iron plume
The line from the bio you mentioned doesn’t refer to her joining Talon after the fall
it refers to her joining Blackwatch
oh god it’s the dae moira not evil discussion again nope
She still has Oasis and is a big deal there
They’re fine with immoral scientists
She doesn’t have to be in talon
static saddle
Or a test subject for moira
reef thicket
o..oh
.....
but yeah i want more status on hammond aswell
him and moira are probably my favourite characters in OW
even though hes a HaMstEr
digital estuary
hold up who's Fio
static saddle
The pilot from the blackwatch event
pliant sparrow
Who is in the car you try to transport/stop in payload games?
harsh plover
there is a whole story around the payload on hollywood. You know the guy that shouts at you. Don't really remember it but you can google
iron plume
There isn’t much of a story
his name is HAL-fred Glitchbot and the attack team convoys him to the set
but this is different on every map obviously
static saddle
Okay
reef thicket
WHY are we stopped?
frosty shell
For D. Va they said they were very annoyed by all the bugs which stemmed from the mech and demech system
worthy rose
lol
opaque hornet
It all started with fortnite
peak escarp
what did?
static saddle
The IS is pretty quiet after the release of fortnite
peak escarp
this channel is for discussing Overwatch, not Fortnite
static saddle
We know
limpid agate
Fortnite is unrelated to the popularity of this channel
Its slow becuase there hasnt been anything new since Blizzcon
pliant sparrow
Was moira the one who experimented on widowmaker?
iron plume
we don't know for certain but it's speculated she's the one who did the physical alterations
the "brainwashing" would have to be before moira joined though
pliant sparrow
Hm
Do we know what research it was that moira did that got her such a bad reputation?
limpid agate
The "methodology for creating custom genetic programs that could alter DNA at a cellular level"
iron plume
The problem that got her exiled wasn't the theme of the research
but rather the ethics surrounding it
limpid agate
O'Deorain was even accused of having the same unchecked desire for scientific advancement that some believed had caused the Omnic Crisis.
In addition, other geneticists were unable to reproduce the results of Moira's research, which further called her discoveries into question
peak escarp
custom DNA is already a hot topic in our time
limpid agate
Were why she got kicked out
Her work was considered unethical
And couldn't be replicated
iron plume
to me the "couldn't be replicated" suggests she actually did something even less safe that she didn't mention
limpid agate
Hmmm... Not a bad idea
iron plume
as in her method works, but what was done in the replication studies wasn't actually her full method
peak escarp
if she wasn't entirely transparent about her methods, that would be another strike against her
iron plume
yep
peak escarp
good science has to be replicable
iron plume
your studies not being confirmed aren't an ethical breach
it just means you got faulty data or someone got hasty with conclusions
peak escarp
and if you don't know the whole method, there's no way you could replicate it
iron plume
yeah
which is why it makes sense to me that they suspected it and failure to replicate was just proof
rather than the actual "offense"
peak escarp
it's like they took one look at Moira's reseach and asked "source?"
lavish mural
I wonder who reactivated Omnica and gave the kill all humanity objective
valid shell
inb4 God AI
worthy rose
It would be very difficult to imagine both Overwatch and omnic-paranoid post-crisis governments being careless enough to make it possible for the Omniums to reactivate by themselves.
peak escarp
I think they mean that Omnica/the omniums reactivated on their own after being shut down due to not meeting quotas, thus starting the omnic crisis
they didn't reactivate post-crisis
some of them were left active post-crisis for whatever reason, such as the Siberian omnium and probably the Nigerian omnium too
it's unclear whether the Australian omnium was active or not when its fusion core blew
lavish mural
Thus we have the wasteland Junkertown
worthy rose
ah, that makes more sense
peak escarp
I hate when people say "we have a hamster in a mech, I guess anything is possible"
Hammond makes sense within the world - his existence doesn't mean anything goes
umbral pecan
the fact that Winston talks at all would be enough to say "anything goes"
peak escarp
Winston being able to talk is also explained in-universe
umbral pecan
yep I'm aware, just saying that people aren't looking at the right stuff to mention it
idle scarab
Winston can talk but cant climb wall
modest chasm
Makes no sense...
weary turtle
Gameplay != lore besides recall animation 0.53
Or do you want the link to the interviev where jeff caplan adressed this "issue"
wraith zealot
ı started to get this idea since last archives event
that
gabriel wasnt the bad guy at the start
ı think it might be morrison who pushed it too far
when you look at how gabriel handles things and sees his team
it doesnt seem to make sense that he would try to hurt his team mates or friends
even with sombra
he know she is playing around with volskaya
as he says in the comic but doesnt do anything to her for it
even tho that caused them to fail th emission
on the other hand morrison when he became soldier 76
he is brutal and very hostile
even to people he knew before
seeing from interactions with winston
peak escarp
as far as we know, the only people Soldier has canonically met with in that guise are Ana and Reaper
wraith zealot
far as ı know interactions are count as kinda cannon
peak escarp
he didn't seem that hostile to me in his interactions
more like, trying to warn Winston away from failure
wraith zealot
ı felt as if he was trying to keep overwatch away
think about it
only people that know what happened there are reyes and morrison
archives showed
reyes is more emotional when it comes to overwatch people
while morrison is more on by the book guy
reyes confronts him about he doesnt care about the people he commands
morrison snaps
and fight begins
peak escarp
that is pretty similar to my theory on what happened
wraith zealot
only thing that seems fucked up is he joining talon
ı still cant seem to find the answer for that
maybe overwatch thought it was reyes who started it
peak escarp
I figure they were close friends up until the Venice Incident, but then Jack finds out that Gabe hired Moira behind his back, and he doesn't trust Gabe anymore
wraith zealot
they seem to trust each other on uprising
peak escarp
and Gabe doesn't trust Jack anymore because he thinks Jack overreacted to Moira
wraith zealot
even mcree seems fine there
peak escarp
wraith zealot
ı see your point
peak escarp
Gabe doesn't trust Jack enough to tell him that he sent McCree to London
and Jack suspects that Gabe has other secrets
their friendship gets strained and worn away over the two years following Retribution, and comes to a head when Ana goes MIA
signal merlin
Everytime I pop into this channel I don't understand a single thing going on.
peak escarp
Gabe thinks Jack should have stayed and gotten Ana out of there
Jack thinks he did the right thing getting his men and the scientists to safety
wraith zealot
we are talking about who might be the bad guy gabe or soldier @signal merlin
signal merlin
Who'dya think?
peak escarp
Ana was the one think keeping them from trying to kill each other, and once she was gone, a fight was inevitable
peak escarp
I don't think either of them is really to blame for Overwatch going down
wraith zealot
ı knwo ana was married
peak escarp
I put that entirely on Moira
wraith zealot
did mercy left overwatch before it disbanded?
peak escarp
we actually don't know if Ana was married to Pharah's father
since Amari is Ana's last name, not Sam's
Mercy stayed until it was disbanded
McCree and Genji left before it was disbanded
wraith zealot
ı wonder where mercy was during incident
peak escarp
and the Petras Act was passed the year after the Swiss Base explosion
wraith zealot
or liao
peak escarp
for all we know Liao doesn't exist anymore
wraith zealot
did they confirmed it?
trail axle
Sam Amari sounds like a Japanese sushi dish I can order in California
peak escarp
they haven't been mentioned since an early article, so some people think they were retconned
I think she's still out there somewhere
peak escarp
(I also think Liao is a she because if Ana was the only female founder of Overwatch I would be sad)
peak escarp
Mercy was not a founding member
wraith zealot
with rein torb jack and gabe ,liao
peak escarp
she joined after McCree
wraith zealot
after mcree?
peak escarp
correct
wraith zealot
ı thought she was before
peak escarp
McCree is newly recruited to Overwatch, and Mercy is visiting from university
she doesn't join until she's an accomplished surgeon, some time in her late 20s
yes - Mercy and McCree are both currently 37
peak escarp
39
wraith zealot
ı thought she would be younger than mcree
peak escarp
nope
wraith zealot
she looks pretty good for her age then
peak escarp
she wears a lot of makeup
wraith zealot
true
peak escarp
you can tell by how smooth her skin is and how faded her beauty mark looks
wraith zealot
she is a outlaw biker cowgirl
should expect lot of makeup
you think she has some love interest with mcree
?
ı know lead writer said they werent together
but ı feel like she has something for mcree
peak escarp
the writers confirmed that they were never an item, and McCree has a voice line saying she isn't his type
but I think she had unrequited feelings for him
wraith zealot
ı agree with that
past panther
Didn't they write how Ashe was dragged to the outlaw life because of McCree though?
peak escarp
yep
past panther
Like he inspired her
wraith zealot
wasnt it otherwise
in one of the interactions ashe says if she hadnt found him he would be a farm boi
peak escarp
But a chance meeting with a local ruffian, named Jesse McCree, and an impromptu string of crimes committed together opened her eyes to her true calling. The satisfaction of outwitting her targets and the thrill of getting away with it set her on the outlaw path.
He was a small time criminal
wraith zealot
ı see
peak escarp
Ashe was the one who came up with the idea of starting a gang
peak escarp
Jesse had the street smarts, but Ashe had the ambition
wraith zealot
ı feel like he is just a soft alfred
peak escarp
Bob does what Ashe tells him
wraith zealot
he has free will tho
peak escarp
yes
wraith zealot
ok
lets do some guessing
now we know
mccree is going for business of his own before joining overwatch again
what do u think it is
peak escarp
I have a theory that he's in contact with Sombra
wraith zealot
we know he has ties with sombra in a way ( at this point even soldier seems to know her ) ı guess is he is after gabe
peak escarp
she might have been the one who gave him the time and place for the train, which he passed on to Ashe
I think Sombra is playing both sides
wraith zealot
sombra is going triple
peak escarp
she could also be giving Soldier/Ana information
their base on the Necropolis map has security footage of Reaper from the break in at Volskaya Industries
wraith zealot
we know she does computer stuff for soldier when he has coded info
peak escarp
wraith zealot
we know she drinks with mcree at dorado
she kinda runs the los muertos gang or part of it
could it be that in cinematic of soldier
he is actually trying to get to sombra
peak escarp
McCree was passed out and Sombra was at the other end of the bar looking confused
but I do think that might be when they met
McCree was in Dorado tracking down Roadhog and Junkrat, who had robbed the Banco de Dorado
wraith zealot
really?
ı didnt know that
well ı have this wild idea
ı know its a stupid one but hear me out
ı think gerard isnt dead
ım not saying widow didnt kill him
ım saying she failed to do so
peak escarp
wraith zealot
ı see
peak escarp
Roadhog's canister and Junkrat's detonator can be found in the bar on Dorado
that's the same bar McCree and Sombra were in at Christmas
it would be very poor writing if Gerard was not dead
wraith zealot
it would
but death isnt realy death in overwatch at this point
when 3 characters come back from death
peak escarp
nobody who was actually dead has come back to life
people have been thought dead
but actually faked their deaths or suffered severe injury
Soldier, Ana and Reaper all faked their deaths
Genji almost died but was saved by Mercy
everyone we've seen or heard of being actually dead has stayed dead
Gerard, Harold Winston, Antonio
wraith zealot
antonio we saw him die
harold winston he is confirmed dead
but ı still think gerard has a chance
he is as good as other 3
peak escarp
Gerard is also confirmed dead
wraith zealot
why u have to hurt me dis way
peak escarp
Two weeks later she killed Gérard in his sleep.```having Gerard be alive would completely undermine Widowmaker's character
wraith zealot
with good writing it could give more story than
deadly assasin
we know widow for somereason still has feelings for gerard
peak escarp
Widowmaker remembers Gerard, and remembers that she did love him
but she can't feel love anymore
she seems to be trying to feel again - she visited his grave, she moved into her family's house, she put up her wedding photo around the house
her interaction with Moira makes her sound annoyed at her inability to feel "good" emotions
wraith zealot
good talk ı will come back with more theories later on ım feeling too sleepy now
but ı see ur point
terse oak
lean prawn
there isnt much to give her until the recall phase of the lore is complete
regal coyote
Gerard is for sure dead
also the no-one-important getting killed by doomfist. Antonio is also surely dead.
as for winston, really we dont knwo what happened.
in the sense unless winston see him killed, then anything is either some broken footage the earth humans got, or something annnounced by the apes of the moon
granted, even with the whole familywatch thing going, H Winston is better off stay dead.
Despite Dr.Winston is the most important playable character in overwatch
(Playable by the devs, for cinematic, not the game)
(Everyone must be Dr.Winston, it is the standard model the dev use to chuck out cienmatic. all stand-in uses Dr. Winston)
but yes, a Dr. Winston beat up and half sane, meeting winston, on the moon, would amke for a wonderful cienmatic, for a special "up to the stars" kind of chapter/campaign of the series
we knwo there is problem on the tourist/traveler space station on the moon, so there is bound to be a space campaign some day
worthy rose
Winston's last recorded message was a request for fellow staff members to aid him at airlock E-35, which had malfunctioned.[6] He was killed in the subsequent uprising that the gorillas launched, who took the colony as their own.[2] It has been implied that the error at the airlock was a ploy by the gorillas, who then vented the scientists onto the lunar surface to die from asphyxiation
Did the gorillas really kill the scientists?
regal coyote
we dont know
since that is the only piece that links to their death, if any.
we did not know if they get flushed in afterwards.
some of them may.
but we do not know if all goes to the airlock.
we assume most dont have the suit, but it is only assumption.
so yeah.
there is also space vehicles inside and outside, we do not know if any reaches those
depending on which sci-fi fantasy blizz follow, you dont die immediately out of air if outside airlock, it actually takes a while.
also we know the gorilla/ape area is only ONE PART of the greater colony, there can be other unrelated places near by that is not run by gorillas currently. like robot people parts
deft peak
so did they just leave Balderich's armor in Eichenwald as a sign of respect to his last stand
they took him out right :p
cuz that's troubling otherwise
i assume we play the map at a time many years after the attack and they left the armor there
frosty shell
Searching's plot doesn't make much sense but at least it wasn't pointless
It actually continued the story and followed up on the plot thread from Infiltration
frosty shell
And Zarya was forced to save an Omnic
worthy rose
Yes, character development
pliant sparrow
He a big boi
jagged pendant
So people.....what yo boi ZEN doin!?