let me dream
#lore-discussion
pliant sparrow
valid shell
They're all either concept art for existing heroes or created explicitly for that montage.
Although if Mirembe or Kimiko got enough clout, Blizzard might consent.
peak escarp
maybe if the community caused the same fuss over Liao as they did for Doomfist . . .
pliant sparrow
True, true
dire timber
I do hope some more of recall agents show up in the comics
just to give them some names
pliant sparrow
Though they did have plans for doomfist at first I think
peak escarp
I want to get agents answering the recall who aren't playable heroes
valid shell
DF was just an obligatory Chris Metzen stamp-of-approval NOUN-NOUN name.
dire timber
by the time of release, they already had a Doomfist concept art
pliant sparrow
I’m not sure what I’m talking about anymore
peak escarp
have Kimiko and Mirembe answer - they don't need to be playable
valid shell
K
dire timber
@peak escarp don't think that's going to happen, honestly
pliant sparrow
So,rinhehardt is the oldest character?
pliant sparrow
I always thought it was torb
peak escarp
Torb is 57
pliant sparrow
young as hell
peak escarp
Rein is 61, Ana is 60, Reaper is 58
pliant sparrow
Isn’t reaper 55?
peak escarp
Soldier is somewhere in that range
pliant sparrow
Oh wait that’s soldier
valid shell
Reinhardt > Ana > Torbjorn > Soldier/Reaper > Roadhog/Moira > Doomfist > fuck if I know
dire timber
wasn't Morrison a year younger than Reyes?
peak escarp
at one point Chu said that Morrison was a year younger than Reyes
valid shell
Ashe > Hanzo > McCree/Mercy > etc.
valid shell
Correct.
pliant sparrow
Hm
peak escarp
Mercy/McCree are 37
pliant sparrow
Genji 36-7?
peak escarp
Genji us 35
pliant sparrow
Ah
peak escarp
Widowmaker is 33
valid shell
Yeah, there's a descending list from 40-19.
pliant sparrow
Then widow
peak escarp
Pharah is 32
pliant sparrow
Really?
peak escarp
Mei is 31 but technically 40
peak escarp
how old are you @pliant sparrow
pliant sparrow
14
valid shell
That tracks.
peak escarp
that might be why
pliant sparrow
probably explains it
peak escarp
I'm 31 and they don't feel old to me
pliant sparrow
Zarya is 27 I think
peak escarp
28
pliant sparrow
Ah
dire timber
@peak escarp you mixed up the order on Widowmaker
pliant sparrow
Tracer is 25
dire timber
her Talon skin should come before Legacy
pliant sparrow
And Sombra is 30
dire timber
also, what is Mercy's Archives spray?
peak escarp
its Combat Medic
pliant sparrow
Lucio is early-mid twenties I think
pliant sparrow
why am I always off by 1 year
dire timber
@pliant sparrow well, there's Tracer, Lucio, Brigitte, and D.va
they're not old at all
peak escarp
Junkrat is 25
pliant sparrow
I know they’re not old
peak escarp
everyone forgets him
pliant sparrow
i like to forget the amount of times he’s piledrived me to oblivion
peak escarp
@dire timber I think I might remove Widowmaker's Talon skin
it should go between the wedding photo and Legacy, but there isn't really room
I could put it behind Legacy
dire timber
@peak escarp just turn it into a single-year segment, and put it right next to Tracer's King's Row pic
just the head should give folks enough of a clue
peak escarp
that might work
I was sorta keeping single year segments for confirmed events with specific dates
peak escarp
even though we can figure out when Widowmaker went through training, it's not confirmed
I'll just do it faded like the other unconfirmed ones
dire timber
yep, that's good
the current fade would work just fine
that makes me wonder, the Talon even would be set 7 years ago now? and it would probably be one of Widowmaker's first missions
hm, would make for a fun parallel
peak escarp
Widowmaker had already been active before the encounter with Ana
reef thicket
i like how
zen
just has fuckin
nothing on that graph
xD
like a pic of present day
👌
same with lucio
dire timber
@peak escarp what are you saying there?
reef thicket
even a hamster has more lore than zen and lucio
peak escarp
dire timber
I mean, yeah
reef thicket
new sniper hero confirmed
peak escarp
that isn't Widow's first mission
dire timber
chatter about a new Talon sniper
I wasn't referring to Legacy
but about the possible Talon event set before that
using her Talon skin
peak escarp
oh
peak escarp
@reef thicket Lucio has nothing too
peak escarp
and Junk/Hog have almost nothing
reef thicket
NightToday at 1:16 AM
i like how
zen
just has fuckin
nothing on that graph
xD
like a pic of present day
👌
same with lucio
Orisa has
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
peak escarp
it's just all present day/close to it
peak escarp
show us the ALF
dire timber
yeah, confirm his implied Maori roots, show us the ALF, etc
peak escarp
see Mako and Bruce before the omnium blew
dire timber
I'd love that
peak escarp
speaking of supporting characters
could also be a chance to give Junker Queen backstory
have her parents fight in the ALF or something
she wouldn't be old enough to have fought, based on her appearance
I'd put her at late 30s at most
unless she fought as a teen
and the explosion was more recent than I'm thinking
when do we think the Australian omnium blew up?
peak escarp
do we have a source on that?
people complained that Ashe's bio doesn't mention McCree getting busted by Overwatch
Roadhog's bio doesn't mention Junkrat at all
no mention of dates, just "after the omnic crisis"
so probably 20-25 years ago
granite gazelle
Who ded tho
limpid agate
What?
granite gazelle
Yo i want to know if it would be cool for any of heroes to just straight up die to another
Who should it be
When?
Why
I dont fancy happy endings much
plush moth
genji and mercy dying together
valid shell
@granite gazelle Chill.
valid shell
Read the banner pls.
granite gazelle
What i was talking about beforehand
That hanzo storm arrow was shitposting
Mb mb
peak escarp
they have said heroes dying in the lore is a possibility
but they'll also still be playable so it won't remove them from the game
dense estuary
yea it would be too much backlash to remove character from the game
and they would need to replace with someone who played similar and fit the same balance
peak escarp
story-wise, I could see it happening with Reinhardt
his death would have enough emotional weight and he already has an apprentice ready to take up his shield
dense estuary
it would have to be an absolutely epic heroic sacrifice thing
because if Rein is going to go out I am sure the neighbors for 300km around will hear the fight
talon agents finding a way to reactivate some purely warrior omnic units or he goes to South Korea to help with BotZilla.
limpid agate
They're not gonna kill off anyone.
These are cool
Too bad they will never be canon
dense estuary
I would hope no company was dumb enough to breed intelligent dinos
Though there was super smarting the gorillas on a moon base...
Of which as far as we know only one did not go Planet of the Apes
which to be honest I think the main reason that Winston stayed level headed was being raised more like the Doc's kid than as a test subject.
valid shell
The dino is the only cool one.
timid lantern
@peak escarp “they have said heroes dying in the lore is a possibility but they'll also still be playable so it won't remove them from the game”
So when’s Mondatta gonna become playable 😃
They’d add Max first if they were gonna add another Omnic (to be realistic here)
limpid agate
That quote doesnt mean
peak escarp
adding dead people isn't the same
limpid agate
We will add dead heroes
It means
"We may kill off someone who is alive"
Which won't happen outside VA death.
limpid agate
Voice Actor
worn solar
I know this question’s probably been asked a lot, but
How did Doomfist manage to punch through at least a foot of concrete and steel with his bare hands?
Did he just spend every single day in prison punching the wall to weaken it?
peak escarp
the arm he was punching with is a realistic-looking prosthetic
worn solar
Oh
languid plinth
In addition to the the Doomfist quetion, according to Doomfist‘s law, he was a prodigy at martial arts, but couldn’t compete in tournaments due to his prosthetic arm. However, in his origin story short, he punches through the concrete and steal, and has both arms, with out any obvious prosthetics. Is one of his hands actually a super realistic prosthetic? Or am I wrong?
Oh never mind
reef thicket
The black part of his arm shows its prosthetic
valid shell
@thick dock ??
worthy rose
Listening to all of Lucio's voice lines, apparently Lucio's father invented the Vishkar Sonic Technology
pliant sparrow
Then lucio stole his fathers work
I feel like D.va and lucio could be employed to stop Overwatch’s resurgence
peak escarp
Lucio is a DJ on a world tour with no affiliation to anyone
The Petras Act was signed by the UN
peak escarp
the UN doesn't just hire heroes
pliant sparrow
I know this idea is a bit out there
peak escarp
if anything, they'll call up Helix Security
peak escarp
who, DVa and Lucio?
dense estuary
They are already in the story
Lucio will probably always remain independent, Hes clearly a successful world touring EDM DJ.
the army probably wont release their MEKA units to UN deployments until the BotZilla threat is gone.
Finally I honestly think the UN is turning a blind eye to the remergence of the currently rogue OW. They know the Talon threat and they know OW is needed again, Hell the Petra act was probably more CYA PR then them wanting it gone. But they knew just saying they forced Blackwatch to close would not sate the public.
peak escarp
I think Lucio could easily cross paths with Newverwatch
DVa is a little more unlikely since she isn't travelling the world and her job requires her to be in Korea
dense estuary
another hurdle to OW D.Va, I bet the mechs are full of classified technologies. Korea is not just going to release one of their units openly to a combined UN unit.
peak escarp
yeah
limpid agate
@thick dock Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
thick dock
where do i do that without loss of access
limpid agate
@humble solstice What?
If its not lore, take it out
I shouldn't have to repeat myself.
analog vigil
valid shell
@analog vigil ?
frosty shell
In Dragons Genji straight-up said "I will not give you the death you want"
worthy rose
Has anyone noticed the tablet and laptop on the Petra map? Contains some lore of the excavation and its relation to the excavation in ilios. Can’t remember fully
dire timber
@limpid agate I do think that while he was fighting Hanzo, he was also fighting himself on whether or not he should put Hanzo out of his misery
and only really made that decision to spare him right at the end
iron plume
@worthy rose Yeah. Hamid, one of the names mentioned on the computers, is a fairly popular hypothesis for a future hero here
cedar moon
what are all the family relation heroes in overwatch
I mean like Hanzo Genji, not Traer Emily
Tracer*
pliant sparrow
Hm
Pharah and Ana
Torbjörn and Brigitte
Do close friends count or must they be blood relatives?
dire timber
Lindholms presumably adopted Angela when she was orphaned
peak escarp
yeah, those would be the only blood relatives
iron plume
lindholm-adopted mercy is a popular theory but not confirmed
Chu gave a non-answer when asked about it I think
peak escarp
their official connection is "family friends"
it was a popular theory that Roadhog adopted Junkrat, but Wasted Land quashed that
peak escarp
I want to know more about the heroes' families
limpid agate
I should really update more pages about the games in the Net Cafe
There is a Pachimari RPG
Based on Maple Story
frosty shell
I know everybody wants to have the story advance, but I think telling the backstories might be better
mainly I don't want the characters to be frozen in time as time passes
comic book time-esque
limpid agate
@idle gorge No advertising or begging.
Read the #rules
Don't spam in every channel, consider this your final warning.
dense estuary
I wonder how lore hunters inspect the maps. During gameplay it’s way to hectic to analyze every meter.
lean prawn
custom games
iron plume
that and datamining for textures
peak escarp
spectator mode in custom games is how I do it
peak escarp
that's the advantage of spectator - you can get into both spawns
limpid agate
I mean second and third
rose tapir
Does ow even have lore
worthy rose
yes
It has an entire history from thirty years before the present day, when overwatch was founded amidst the omnic crisis, through to the "current" events being revealed like Doomfist escaping and the theft of the DF gauntlet from Numbani.
lethal sable
This game has lore umm
pliant sparrow
of course
it’s well thought out and has a great story with great characters, spanning seventeen book series, 6 films totalling at $16 billion at the box office and one incredible game, the art and dedication behind this story is amazing...
Oh wait we’re talking about realistic expectations
iron plume
less shitposting please
pliant sparrow
Ah ok
So who’s positions in terms of being for or against Overwatch haven’t been revealed yet?
humble lake
!
iron plume
we have a bunch of people that are neither with or against them
genji is presumed to be with new overwatch but is unknown, he may be neutral
dire timber
@pliant sparrow the only ones specifically against Overwatch are Talon
and even Talon just sees them as a temporary nuisance
dense estuary
Because honestly they are unless the UN makes them legal again
OW could never come up to full power without the UN allowing them to operate since you can only get so big while being rogue
worthy rose
Considering that Talon is around and at least semi-public knowledge, I'd say that the UN is letting them live because they have bigger problems and new OW isn't making them worse.
limpid agate
@pliant sparrow Active Talon roster is:
Doomfist/Reaper/Moira as leaders
Widow/Sombra as agents
Symmetra as an unknowing accomplice.
Active Overwatch roster is:
Winston as leader
Tracer/Rein/Mei as confirmed agents
Torb/Bastion/Genji as unconfirmed agents
McCree as probably gonna show up eventually but not any time soon, he's got something to do first
For NPCs:
Sanjay and Maximilien are also Talon leaders
Athena is the current Overwatch AI
Echo is also joining Overwatch
plain cradle
Are you sure bastion is ever involved with OW
peak escarp
Bastion was taken in by Torbjorn in the comic Binary
plain cradle
ah i thought he was just sent into the woods
peak escarp
it's logical that Torbjorn would take Bastion to Overwatch with him
peak escarp
humans were trying to capture/kill Bastion
that's why Torbjorn had to step in
the members of Overwatch would probably be okay with it if Torb vouched for Bastion
I'd like to see Reinhardt's reaction to seeing Bastion for the first time
he's the one with the most history with Bastions
dire timber
@limpid agate there's also Hakim, a Talon associate with a compound in Egypt
limpid agate
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
This server
worthy rose
I was just pinging my friend, I didn't mean to "shitpost" @limpid agate
limpid agate
Is pinging your friend related to the lore of Overwatch?
worthy rose
Oh I'm in the wrong channel :/
I'm so sorry, I'm tired had a long shift and didn't realise.. @limpid agate
Could my warning be cleared perhaps?
Perhaps.. ?
limpid agate
No, because pinging a user and saying they suck is not permitted anywhere on this server. Keep it to dms. If you have further questions, DM @sullen pagoda
worn solar
I don’t think Torb would take Bastion to Overwatch
Bastion refuses to fight, even in self-defense
reef thicket
Rein: i rememebr smashing your kind in eichenwalde..
Fun times
also
i wonder
since hammonds mech is able to translate languages
and even translate hammond squeaking can it translate omnic language?
worthy rose
Probably
I'd guess that a lot of people, especially in places like Numbani, can understand Omnic perfectly well.
reef thicket
ye
limpid agate
@worn solar The speculation is based on the end of the Blizzard World trailer
Which is questionably canon.
@reef thicket There is no reason why Wrecking Ball should be able to translate Bastion's beeping
@worthy rose Every Omnic we have seen people understand speaks English.
Or French, in the case of Maximillien.
sly socket
Does the numbers on guns/armor have any significant meaning?
limpid agate
Be more specific
dawn chasm
languid plinth
Sorry 4 the noobidity.
According to the law behind Hanzo, Hanzo defeated Genji in a battle with swords, and due to “killing” Genji, he vowed never to use a sword again, and thus only uses his sword. So with this sword, if he attempted to channel his dragon spirit, would it be blue? Would there be two dragons? Do Shimada clan memebers have control of their dragon’s colour or originality? Were hanzo and Genji even able to channel the dragons at that time? How do you get to control which dragon? Is it that the oldest son get’s the blue dragon and younger get’s green? Surely then there will be multiple members of the Shimada clan that could wield the same dragon spirit, otherwise during the short “dragons” hanzo would have recognised the dragon from gengi’s dragon blade as genji’s dragon? Or is this still up to speculation?
languid plinth
Oh ok
reef thicket
@sly socket in lore armour prob has significance like rein defending his soliders with just his bodyarmour since his shield broke
ingame not really considering roadhog is naked and has 600 hp
rein is in a suit and has 500
????
reef thicket
oh
limpid agate
Reinhardt has 08 on his armor
Torb has 07
Soldier 76 has 76 on his jacket
Eichenwalde Payload also has 08
Tracer's pistols say 39
Some mean things, some dont
limpid agate
Which is why I asked him to be more specific
limpid agate
e54
limpid agate
No just Bastion
limpid agate
Most said B73
limpid agate
One theory was the numbers were Torbjorn's inventions.
But there is a company called J08, some Crusader gear predates Torbjorn's involvement, and he surely made more than 25 things in the span of 20 years
reef thicket
ye
languid plinth
On Reinhard’s armour it actually says j08 or L08
limpid agate
J08
worthy rose
Does this mean that the payload on eichenwalde was made by J08?
limpid agate
Possibly
worthy rose
So overwatch might be going on a side quest to an abandoned warehouse with excess j08 stuff
To get a bigger, better rocket hammer
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
Wasn't J08 shut down though?
limpid agate
Based on what?
tepid shale
Ok
worthy rose
I remember reading it somewhere. For some reason I can't find it.
pliant sparrow
Are there any known rival corporations to Vishkar?
dire timber
@reef thicket while E54 is not necessarily unique to Bastion in-universe, in practice it's basically Bastion's "name"
so that readers/viewers/players can distinguish him from the others
weary turtle
Jeff has said something like e54 is the username of someones daughter and an inside joke (in a video somewere)
modern dove
it's the username of his daughter
weary turtle
languid plinth
What was the significance of the octopus on bastion in the comic “binary”
worthy rose
to show that it walked/swam/something to sweden
dapper egret
B.O.B. IS OFFICIALLY "BIG OMNIC BUTLER"
DIRECT FROM KAPLAN
ACTUAL NEW LORE FOR ONCE
WEW
dire timber
source?
dapper egret
dire timber
... please link to a specific clip
dapper egret
Nah if you really want it itll turn up if you arent watching
dire timber
what?
peak escarp
I mean . . .
Twitter
that was confirmed by Chu a while ago
it's not new lore, unfortunately
and actually, I think they called him that at the Blizzcon panel too
limpid agate
@dapper egret Not new.
lone raven
Quick question, did BOB work for Ashes parents? And when i say that i don't mean that we was just hired. Was he built by Ashes parents or something.
limpid agate
He worked for her parents. He more or less raised her. @lone raven
wispy hollow
BOB is ashes real dad
dire timber
@wispy hollow no shitposting
reef thicket
well
even though its shitposting
bob has been around with ashe since her childhood
not saying bob is her dad obviously that makes no sense
but bob is kindof her guardian
dire timber
still, no shitposting
dense estuary
BOB Omnic Butler really does work even if recursive. like PIN Number or ATM Machine.
nature of human speech or at least English
uncut night
What does BOB stand for or is it just his name
granite gazelle
How fast can genji deflect?
Surely it must be an absurd amount if he can deflect 6 bastions in turret form at once
pearl blade
Gameplay doesn't equal lore
granite gazelle
K then
valid shell
@granite gazelle ??
valid shell
What do those have to do with lore.
valid shell
Sure.
valid shell
Don't shitpost and you won't need repeats.
wispy hollow
wow this is lo key very toxic
limpid agate
@wispy hollow Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
I shouldnt have to intervene when others already say it
wispy hollow
i dont understand that term
limpid agate
Shitposting = A post that is shit.
It has no value in this channel
This channel is for lore discussion
wispy hollow
ok well that makes me feel great that what i say is shit
but dont worry i will stop posting here
manic lynx
I was wondering if lore reveals through the game like doom fist’s gauntlet being the payload and it disappearing around his release or some of the hints at sombra before her reveal are still happening every now and then or is that a thing of the past and we are left with the occasional short and comic to progress the lore/story ? I am relatively new to overwatch so sorry if I am missing something.
limpid agate
@manic lynx The Doomfist guantlet stuff was done in the middle of Orisa's teasers
The Sombra ARG lasted since Ana came out
Heroes come out every 4 months
I am not quite sure what your question was
manic lynx
Dis anything similar take place for hammond/brig/ashe ?
limpid agate
No
peak escarp
Hammond was teased about a year before he was released
Brigitte was in the comics from the beginning
Ashe came out of nowhere
manic lynx
What a shame
limpid agate
Heroes are typically teased in advance
Right now we are not sure who hero 30 is at all
But we know Echo is coming eventually
granite gazelle
What even is echo?
limpid agate
We dont know
worthy rose
Omnic?
granite gazelle
Hmm
worthy rose
I think overwatch in general
pliant sparrow
Is there any info on what class Athena would probably be if she was a hero?
pliant sparrow
Hm
peak escarp
I don't think Athena has a chance of being a hero
pliant sparrow
^
reef thicket
@peak escarp when was hammond teased?
peak escarp
with the release of Horizon Lunar Colony
peak escarp
June 2017
peak escarp
nope
reef thicket
i thought it only opened up when he was released
limpid agate
THe room was made in the rework in May
reef thicket
ooh
peak escarp
but Hammond was mentioned in some of the teasers
reef thicket
kindof a shame we dont get buildups to hero releases anymore
like most just come out of the blue these days
limpid agate
Ashe is the exception
Not the rule
The last time a hero "came out of nowhere" arguably
Was Orisa
reef thicket
well she sortof did
peak escarp
limpid agate
6 heroes earlier
peak escarp
first mention of Hammond
reef thicket
ooh
limpid agate
Everyone else was teased
reef thicket
in comnics
right
wait
was brigitte ingame when honor and glory cinematic came out
sorry i havent been around long
peak escarp
Orisa at least had 3 teaser tweets before her release
reef thicket
sucks heroes dont have a big build up like doomfist did
pliant sparrow
Echo had one teaser before Ashe was even released
reef thicket
he was teased from the moment OW was shown
pliant sparrow
That’s was pretty cool
limpid agate
Doomfist was not intended to exist as a character when the game was revealed
It was a throwaway name on some macguffin
reef thicket
o
wind sundial
Really ? I always thought he was meant to be released since that first cinematic with Widow and Reaper fighting Tracer and Winston over his Gauntlet in the museum
limpid agate
Nop
reef thicket
maybe they wanted to throw away the idea seeing as the kid basically smashes up the gauntlet
but the backtracked and thought "this could be a cool hero"
@peak escarp wasnt moira also teased
in some comic or something
think i remember seeing a picture of her in a comic released before her
peak escarp
she appeared in Masquerade
reef thicket
oh
peak escarp
a few months before her release
reef thicket
hm
reef thicket
like a giant hamster
regal coyote
we know they have at least the next 6 heroes planned and in various stages of readinesss
reef thicket
...Milk
regal coyote
well that is planned for a looong time
limpid agate
Yes, Hammond was predictable
regal coyote
it is just that even i cannot have guessed it a hamster
regal coyote
smallest we ahve guessed is a cat, and never thought of an oversized hamster
regal coyote
cause msotly a real hamster is a bit too smll to be playable, even if it is only as a crit spot
granite gazelle
Jetpack cat
limpid agate
Hammond being a small harmless animal was known
granite gazelle
regal coyote
well jetpack cat was a thing
limpid agate
It got popular that he was a chimp, which we knew wasn't gonna happen based on other clues
Him being a hamster specifically was a surprise
regal coyote
i was guessing a cat or a small monkey
reef thicket
also
limpid agate
That was not possible
regal coyote
nope
unlikely
if anything the current primate leader would have problem with winston
reef thicket
ye
another thing
do we know what the attacking team is trying to do on the lunar colony
limpid agate
Attacking/Defending teams are mostly not canon
reef thicket
usually we have ideas of what team is doing what
limpid agate
The exceptions are explicit
reef thicket
yeah ik
reef thicket
ah
regal coyote
either that, or we dont know yet
pretty sure blizz had the idea developed
so yeah some time theyw ould tell that story
even if it might be just a small silly thing
peak escarp
I guessed that Hammond would be a lemur or smaller primate
regal coyote
^
peak escarp
this is the second time recently someone has tried to argue that Bastion waking up is a recent event
why is it so unbelievable that it could have gone wandering in the wilds of Europe for 15-20 years?
peak escarp
regal coyote
i would not think of his awakening as a recent event
but i was always thinking it was within these couple years
mostly due to the wishful thinking that our birdie is still alive
peak escarp
the bird is still alive
Ganymede is with Bastion in Binary
which happens after Reflections
worthy rose
The bird can't have lived too long though
peak escarp
why not?
we don't even know what species Ganymede is
he could be a made-up species that lives 30 years or more
dire timber
um
plush moth
hes a bird
peak escarp
obviously
but there are many species of birds
some live only a few years, some live 15-20 years, some live for decades
iron nova
What’s this
worthy rose
It's a channel for the serious discussion of Overwatch lore, as is stated in the channel description. Basically a place to talk about the backstory.
reef thicket
@worthy rose is kindof right though
how the fuck is ganymede over 30 years old
without changing colour or anything mind you
"Over a species' range all of these factors could vary so the life expectancy would be different. For example, the average age of magpies in the countryside is 2.3 years but in urban areas 3.8 years. Most common garden birds have an average age of between 2 and 5 years.8 Feb 2008"
is from a google search
also after another google search people speculate Ganymede could be a canary
and the life span of a canary is usually 15 years according to google
and thats with home care so vets looked after etc
not flying around some 30 year old rusted bot of destruction
although Doctor could be right.. could just be some made up species to get rid of the life span argument
could be Overwatch's version of Pepe from wow
aka a cute little birb that appears in random places
dawn knot
i mean, do we know he's still alive like
reef thicket
Doctor_SixToday at 12:44 AM
the bird is still alive
Ganymede is with Bastion in Binary
which happens after Reflections
peak escarp
also we're not told if that's the same bird that woke it up
so it could just be another of the same species
reef thicket
eh
idk
would be pretty strange
shows ganymede in his cinematic
then later on shows another bird that looks the exact same
and it isnt the same bird..
idk
- why would that one be following bastion around?
peak escarp
idk, I was just offering explanations
reef thicket
ye
but that one is very unlikely
imo
who even named Ganymede
bastion cant talk
terse oak
Guys sorry to ask but was there a Christmas comic?
peak escarp
nope
terse oak
Well fuck
granite gazelle
Arent the comics right on blizz's site
deft peak
idk I'm still new to OW.. haven't checked
granite gazelle
Ye all comics are there
peak escarp
deft peak
tyvm!!
limpid agate
You can also check the pins
deft peak
oh wow its nicely categorized
limpid agate
Thank you.
deft peak
how long ago was the archives event
man I missed out on a lot
looks like there hasn't been much lore progression in a while now, compared to how many they were putting out early on
peak escarp
April
deft peak
have they done those story pve events once every year so far then?
peak escarp
there was a lot of lore content early on because they were promoting a new game, and they had a lot of things ready before launch
the lack of lore recently has been due to internal issues
deft peak
oh?
peak escarp
yes - Archives happens every April
and the devs have said that they will do a new event next year
deft peak
what sort of internal issues may I ask.. have they changed the frequency of lore progress or is it just a temporary thing
peak escarp
they didn't elaborate
but Jeff Kaplan said the comics were delayed for various reasons (that he didn't want to explain) and would be returning soon
peak escarp
the animated shorts have been consistently released twice a year since launch
deft peak
i see
this has been said a billion times but I hope they make a full length feature of some sort for the story
deft peak
yea
peak escarp
animation is the way to go
limpid agate
There are a couple VAs that could play their hero in live action
limpid agate
Lucio, Tracer, Moira, maybe Sym.
peak escarp
they're both expensive in different ways
limpid agate
But I would prefer an animated movie
peak escarp
animation costs a lot of time and manhours
deft peak
yea I'd prefer animated too
peak escarp
live-action costs money in terms of sets and costuming and paying actors/crew
deft peak
idk why they went with WoW live-action either... Blizzard makes such good animated ones
sorry *Warcraft
limpid agate
Animation is also expensive
deft peak
but I hope they don't do the same for OW
limpid agate
For something more immediate
I wanna see what kind of animation they'll use in the next Archives event
Uprising was an origin short, Retribution had some Origin Short slides with some animation similar to The Plan.
More immediately, where is the January map?
peak escarp
it's hard to predict when teasers/the reveal will come for the January map
since in previous years it was done at Blizzcon
deft peak
yea
deft peak
wouldn't they have done something like that in Blizzcon
limpid agate
They said they didnt want to announce it 2 months in advance
Its still happening, they just didnt want to announce it so early
deft peak
ah
peak escarp
maps are usually released live 2 weeks after they're revealed
so I would expect something in the first week of January
limpid agate
Chinese New Year is also on Feb 5th
So they might wait until February before starting that event
Gives more space for a mid-January release
limpid agate
Jan/Feb look fine. Not sure about the event lasting 4 weeks though.
Rooster was 3 weeks
peak escarp
the second year Jeff said they were making LNY last 4 weeks to accommodate people who were travelling
restive flower
They also received criticism for that. It makes more sense to extend the Christmas event if their reasoning is to make up for travelling.
peak escarp
so then maybe it'll be back to 3 weeks this year
either way, I'm pretty confident about the start date
restive flower
why did u put new map in june
peak escarp
because Horizon Lunar Colony was released in June, and Rialto was released early in May
limpid agate
But Rialto was early because it was finished for Retribution
peak escarp
particularly since May already has Anniversary
restive flower
Rialto was released early May and HLC was announced late May
restive flower
What I'm saying is that the map associate with May more than June
If you average Rialto and HLC together, you get late May anyway
limpid agate
We dont know what to expect, but we shouldnt take an average
Rialto was explicitly an exception thanks to Retribution
But we dont know if we should expect another this year either
What will Archives bring?
peak escarp
I think if they make a new map for Archives again, then we can expect it to be released early again
weary turtle
i smell an archives mission
lean prawn
i want me Rio uprising
but it probably won't come to pass until overwatch leaves the recall phase of its lore
pliant sparrow
Wait so could the fight between Morrison and Reyes be an event?
So one team plays as Morrison’s
And another Reyes’s
pliant sparrow
Ah
reef thicket
- it would be weird seeing 4 jacks vs 4 reapers
pliant sparrow
Didn’t they get groups together?
reef thicket
or reyeses
pliant sparrow
Or am I getting confused
reef thicket
well
i dont think theres much lore on what happened in the HQ
its just said there was a fight between reyes and jack
and the HQ went boom
pliant sparrow
Ah
Could there be one for during the Omnic crisis?
Such as Reinhardt in eichenwalde?
peak escarp
something set during the omnic crisis brings up a different problem
reef thicket
doubt it since that story has been told in honor and glory
pliant sparrow
True
peak escarp
Soldier, Ana and Reyes all would have had different abilities during the omnic crisis
reef thicket
we dont really get archive missions in the cinematics stories
so like dvas soliders or mcrees wont get an archives or anything
because then they are just recylcing already established lore
= less lore
pliant sparrow
Could we get one for Talon vs Rogue overwatch?
peak escarp
maybe
reef thicket
well
the archives we got so far
have gone furuther into the past
more than present
pliant sparrow
It could switch up though
I would like to see what starts to happen after re-call
peak escarp
it hasn't been long enough to establish any sort of rules on what kind of event it is
so far they're all been:
- set in the past
- involve 4 playable characters
- involve Overwatch as the playable team
peak escarp
the year is pretty full
if they were going to add a new event, they'd have to get rid of one
every month has either a release or an event
reef thicket
do we even know
if theres
4 OW agents all together in one place
there just seems to be duos everywhere
Rein and Brigitte
Bastion and Torb
Winston and Tracer
Solider and Ana
peak escarp
you could pick two of those duos
Winston and Tracer with Rein and Brigitte
or Bastion, Torb, Rein and Brigitte
I feel like a healer is a requirement - both Uprising and Retribution had one
reef thicket
would be cool to see interation with rein/bastion
and ganymede lore
because thats very imporant
pliant sparrow
Did Winston, tracer, genji vs doomfist happen before overwatch disbanded?
peak escarp
yes
probably in the last year of Overwatch
after the HQ bombing but before the Petras Act was signed
peak escarp
nope
pliant sparrow
Neither has ana, I think
peak escarp
correct
pliant sparrow
Hmm
I feel like ana would be more likely to get one
With her guise as the vigilante currently
If that’s canon
peak escarp
Ana, Doomfist, Lucio, Mercy, Orisa, Pharah, Symmetra, Torbjorn, Wrecking Ball and Zenyatta have not appeared in an animated short
pliant sparrow
Doomfist has technically
Since he was in the one where he fought Winston, genji and tracer
pliant sparrow
True
deft peak
yea that was in the past wasn't it
peak escarp
yes
pliant sparrow
but it was still animated
deft peak
yes
pliant sparrow
yes
pliant sparrow
Hm
peak escarp
that doesn't make them "animated shorts"
deft peak
but its an origin story not an animated short in the same vein as the others that progressed the story
pliant sparrow
It would be interesting to see ana as the vigilante though
Was it shrike that she was called?
peak escarp
yes
pliant sparrow
Her short would be somewhat similar to Soldiers I think
deft peak
so McCree's cinematic confirms just like Rein's that they've all merely recieved Winston's message.. so we still haven't actually progressed beyond that call to action
pliant sparrow
Yes
Depending on when Shooting star took place
I feel like that might be the most recent but I don’t know
deft peak
me neither
so by the looks of things, its been 2yrs since release.. whatever expansion/sequel they're planning will continue the story beyond that Winston call
pliant sparrow
Yeah
peak escarp
the plot has progressed a bit past Recall
deft peak
I can't imagine what the original players must be going through.. I feel impatient already and I just started playing a month ago
deft peak
where are we now in the story
pliant sparrow
I think That the Doomfist gauntlet stealing might actually be the most recent event
peak escarp
to get the whole story, watch/read them in this order:
Recall -> Old Soldiers -> Infiltration -> Searching -> Masquerade
deft peak
ooh thanks
peak escarp
the events of Masquerade happen roughly a year after Recall, by my estimation
since they go to Venice during the carnivale, which happens in late February, and Reaper references the events of Recall, Alive and Infiltration
so it can't be before any of those
and we know based on the dates from the Sombra ARG that Infiltration happened in early November
pliant sparrow
Hmm
peak escarp
my best guess is that Recall happened in March
this tweet refers to Winston launching the satellite to get Overwatch's comms back online (which is the payload on Watchpoint Gibraltar)
at the bottom you can see the news scroll mentioning "Atlantic Seaboard A.I. Summit March 6-8", so it must be before that
and the Recall had to happen after the satellites are back up
pliant sparrow
That’s very interesting
So do we know if reaper was acting with talon to get the overwatch data base?
Or if he was trying to do it for his own purposes?
pliant sparrow
Hm
I wonder if he might change his opinion on talon at some point, if he finds them useless too him
He could end up a lone wolf like soldier
I doubt it though
violet raven
Interesting, maybe that could happen
dire timber
@peak escarp it sure doesn't feel like Overwatch has been around for months
dire timber
at this, maybe it's best to stop paying attention whenever there isn't a new lore drop
peak escarp
it went forward a year for Masquerade, then went back a few months for Searching, then back to Recall for Rise and Shine and Honor and Glory
dire timber
cause one can go mad
peak escarp
Reunion seems to take place around Recall too
peak escarp
enough things have references to specific months/days that I think they do pay attention to months
split pilot
has hanzo and mccree like... ever met in canon lol
subtle moss
worthy rose
What are your guys' opinions on the Overwatch comics?
limpid agate
What do you mean
worthy rose
I'm asking opinions on the Overwatch comics. Quite self-explanatory.
limpid agate
It varies
I like som
I dont like others
Some are good Overwatch comics
Some are bad comics
And how they are bad varies
Some have awful or inconsistent art design
Some have stories that make no sense or have no reason to exist
worthy rose
Uprising ended abruptly, but I guess that can pass seeing as it sort of follows along with the Uprising Overwatch event.
I expected more.
limpid agate
The problem with Uprising's conclusion wasn't the comic
It was that the event itself had no conclusion
Compare that to Retribution
worthy rose
I haven't played the Uprising event, so.
limpid agate
The event ends and we are told in a voiceline while it says Victory that we saved the day
And it just ends
worthy rose
And yeah, Retribution does have a conclusion. We know what happens after that, but it's the opposite for Uprising.
peak escarp
Uprising needed an epilogue, like Retribution
show the team rescuing Mondatta and Mayor Nandah, maybe getting rewarded for it
but hint that even this wasn't enough to save Overwatch
worthy rose
I think it would have been if not for Retribution