#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 368

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Blew it up

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 1:14 PM

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we don't really know

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Talon?

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 1:14 PM

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like I said, we don't know

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Hm

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 1:14 PM

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the investigation concluded that it was a battle between Morrison and Reyes

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:15 PM

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Helix rockets must be alot more op than we thought

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xD

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 1:15 PM

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eh?

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:15 PM

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Kidding

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His rocket ability ingame

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Helix

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 1:15 PM

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oh

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:16 PM

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Was making a joke that he used that in the fight and blew up the entire hq but i guess u didnt catch on

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But anyways maybe the next archives event will invole the hq

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 1:18 PM

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I dunno

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don't think so, honestly

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Might be a bit too close quarters for ow

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Maybe its an eveny further in the past

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Since uprisong was 7 years ago

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Wait no

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Wait yeah.. and retribution was 8 years ago

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Whats the nearest big event in lore next to the venice incident

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Ommic crisis? Idk

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 2:03 PM

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30 years ago – the Omnic Crisis
23 years ago – Operation White Dome
9 years ago – Mei and her team enter cryostasis
8 years ago – Venice Incident (Retribution)
7 years ago – King's Row Uprising
6 years ago – Overwatch HQ explosion
5 years ago – Overwatch disbanded

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Whats white done

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Dome

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Because i dont see an event revolving around meis cryostasis

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Lowkey wish she didnt come out of that

valid shell Dec 19, 2018, 2:26 PM

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@reef thicket https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/966840037093523456/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplayoverwatch.com%2Fen-us%2Fblog%2F21574699

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

[DECLASSIFIED] After-Action Report: Operation “WHITE DOME

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reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Oh

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Sounds like it could be an event

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So it could either be

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White Dome, Swiss HQ or Ommic crisis

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Or some new thing they make out of the blue

valid shell Dec 19, 2018, 2:53 PM

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They would have to make Emre playable before that happens.

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 3:05 PM

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who knows

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maybe hes a new hero

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pog

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unless hes

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fuckin dead

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or something

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 3:09 PM

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meh

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 3:10 PM

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or it could be an event based around echo

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since she just popped out of the blue

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 3:10 PM

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people immediately jumped to Emre being the new hero

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it was silly

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 3:10 PM

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silly goose

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x3

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killme

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 3:12 PM

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the next event is most likely a Talon event

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 3:17 PM

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talon doing what though

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monkaThink

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 3:19 PM

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some kind of mission

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duh

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the enemies would be either Overwatch troops, or some kind of generic army

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 3:21 PM

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idk

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would talon really mess with the military

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is there any military even mentioned in the overwatch universe

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does the US have a military like the one irl?

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tanks jets e tc etc

inland lichen Dec 19, 2018, 3:26 PM

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good

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:18 PM

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the train Ashe blew up was US Military

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Jack Morrison and Gabe Reyes started their career in the US Military

lean prawn Dec 19, 2018, 4:21 PM

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omnic crisis was a global thing and USA had to fight it with more than just super soldiers and a plucky attitude

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:32 PM

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@reef thicket I mean, Overwatch is basically a military force

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and individual countries still have their own armed forces

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US, Russia

worthy rose Dec 19, 2018, 4:34 PM

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why did ashe join overwatch

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:34 PM

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she didn’t

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:34 PM

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she didn't

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:34 PM

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um, she didn't

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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several heroes on the roster aren't members of Overwatch

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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most of them aren't tbh

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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most aren’t currently

clever silo Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Zenyatta is though right?

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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nope

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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if we’re talking “are or ever have been” i’d need to math but probably not half either

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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11 out of 29

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I think

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:37 PM

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^ there we go

valid shell Dec 19, 2018, 4:37 PM

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she didn't

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:37 PM

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have been part of Overwatch at one point

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Soldier, Ana, Reaper, Winston, Mei, Tracer, Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Genji, McCree, Moira

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did I miss any?

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Was in Overwatch:
Ana, Genji, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Moira, Reaper, Reinhardt, Soldier: 76, Torbjorn, Tracer, Winston

Received Recall:
Genji, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Tracer, Winston

Joined the recalled Overwatch:
Mei, Tracer, Winston

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Mercy, doc

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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thank you

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so 12 out of 29 heroes

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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also note that Mei was not a field agent; just a scientist

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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less than half

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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plus questionably brigitte and bastion in modernwatch
which is still less than half best case

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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she was still a member

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:40 PM

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yep

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:41 PM

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I hope the story progresses enough for Bastion/Brigitte/Pharah to officially join Overwatch, because I want to see Overwatch Blue skins for them someday

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:41 PM

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I mean

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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more blue skins for pharah woop

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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joining the new Overwatch doesn't mean blue skins

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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I know

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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cause, the new Overwatch doesn't use uniforms

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they're outside the law and all

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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if Overwatch ever became official again

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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it gives a reason to make some even if they aren’t official

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as opposed to straight up AU they’d be now

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:42 PM

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I think Bastion's armor is weird tbh

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it's the only default skin to be basically non-canon

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:44 PM

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or better yet - New Overwatch could get their own uniforms and colors

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wishful thinking

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:47 PM

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white and yellow
“see mercy we’re not militarists anymore we’re good guys”

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it’s already the game’s “other” color scheme

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:47 PM

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I was thinking that since old Overwatch was white and blue, new Overwatch could be black and orange

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:48 PM

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one shade away from black watch’s and talon’s? not happening

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:49 PM

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📎 jO974S9.jpg

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they used black and orange in designs before

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that's their training colours

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:51 PM

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they use a lot of blue, white, orange

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:51 PM

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still, doubt it
if anything there’ll be more white imo
or light grey, whatever you’d consider winston’s main color

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over blue

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:52 PM

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it was just a thought

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:52 PM

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also is it just me or are anas proportions majorly fucked in that picture

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:52 PM

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@iron plume I mean, the new Overwatch is in some ways similar to the old Blackwatch

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outside the law, and unbound by bureaucracy

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:53 PM

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eeeehhhhh
in structure kinda, in goals not really

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:53 PM

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so a subtle similarity in designs would not be unfounded

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:53 PM

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the proportions in that image are all over the place

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Mercy in particular looks weird

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:54 PM

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yeah there is a point but they’d want to distance themselves from that even more than “normal” old overwatch

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plus, more practically, we already have a black and red faction in modern times

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so making ow close to that would get messy

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 4:55 PM

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makes sense

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good guys are supposed to have light colours

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 4:57 PM

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I mean, I do like that black and orange idea

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esp. since Talon is more white and red

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 4:57 PM

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as long as it’s not purple or bright green

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those are evil colors

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actually i wouldn’t call ow’s training colors black

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they’re more like carbon greys

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not too far on the scale but a different connotation

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black suits are evil or edgy, carbon greys are stealthy or tacticool

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:01 PM

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suprisingly for a game called "overwatch more than half of the heros in it arent in OW

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and or are in the complete opisite team

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aka talon

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:02 PM

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tacticool

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love it

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:02 PM

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want to know the forecast?

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JUSTICE FROM THE SKY

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DEATH FROM ABOVE

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:03 PM

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@peak escarp I hate that Jack and Ana look young in that

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another confusing picture

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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u hate everthing

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everything

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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shut up

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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xd

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no u

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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yeah it's one of the problem pictures

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needs to be fixed

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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I fixed the medal picture once

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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I wish they just fixed all the early Recall videos

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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📎 corrected_lore_image.png

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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and the Cinematic Trailer

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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is that edited

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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yes

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:04 PM

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link the

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old one

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btw how do u even

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get trusted here

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xD

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:05 PM

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you don't

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:05 PM

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oof

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Here's the original image

📎 overwatch-medals-header.png

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:05 PM

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o

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:05 PM

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This one would be easier to fix because it's a still image

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:05 PM

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I mean, all of them are still images

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:06 PM

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But the graduation picture is rendered into that short

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so it would be hard to fix

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I could also cut McCree out of that image because he doesn't make much sense either

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:07 PM

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not if they still have the source files

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Yeah, but that would require a decent amount re-animation for a correction that barely even matters

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:07 PM

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would it?

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because it looks like just replacing a single texture

frosty shell Dec 19, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I don't think correcting these things would be worth it, because Chu confirmed they were incorrect

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:08 PM

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I think it would be best if they did

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use one of the Anniversary events to revisit the Recall, idk

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it's doable

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:10 PM

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btw

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why does

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mercy say "overwatch was shut down for a reason.. maybe its best it stay that way"

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does she not want OW to come back?

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:10 PM

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no, she doesn't

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she might join if she sees it as the best way to protect people

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but otherwise, she's quite disillusioned with Overwatch

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she was not fond of its militaristic approach to preserving world peace

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:12 PM

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oh

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:/

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lmfao

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how else does she expect to gain world peace when theres an organisation like talon around

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without violence that is

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:13 PM

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I mean, it's likely that she does understand that a military is necessary

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I mean, that's why she joined

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:13 PM

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then why is she dissapointed if she knew this is what she was getting into

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:13 PM

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but she probably thinks that it's too much of a... default approach

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especially when it comes to threats that aren't as straightforward as Talon or Null Sector

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:14 PM

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i could imagine shes pissed at the venice incident

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but that wasnt overwatchs fault

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watches

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:14 PM

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I mean

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it kind of was

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:14 PM

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that was

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Reyes

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Blackwatch

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even though it is part of OW

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it wasnt something planned

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:14 PM

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the very existence of Blackwatch is something that she would not approve of

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:15 PM

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smh shes just scared of moria outhealing her 🤦

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kidding but yeah

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blackwatch doesnt seem something made to achieve peace

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blackwatch looks like talon if it wasnt talon

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:15 PM

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the fact that Blackwatch had Moira tampering around with her tech in the garage

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:15 PM

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Lmfao

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:15 PM

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probably didn't help either

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well, Blackwatch are not exactly "bad guys"

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they are, however, a black ops division

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doing Overwatch's dirty work

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protecting the world by any means necessary

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:17 PM

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well yeah they arent bad but just look at their colour scheme

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if that doesnt scream evil

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idk what does

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:18 PM

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??

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:18 PM

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??

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black n red

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I'm just telling you what Blackwatch was

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:18 PM

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ye

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:18 PM

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the colors don't mean that much

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like, yeah, they were a black ops division

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but the goal was still keeping the world safe

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:19 PM

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yeah

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 5:19 PM

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OW did the public facing stuff like aid and technological R&D. BW did the kinds of things people do not like to think about but sometimes had to be done.

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of course it seems they started to go too far

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:21 PM

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I mean, Overwatch also did combat operations

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like hostage rescue in Legacy

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or fighting rogue omnics

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:21 PM

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a lot of militaries have black ops teams that do the dirty work that the public wouldn't approve of

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they're supposed to be secret

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but keeping them secret is almost impossible

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:22 PM

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wasnt the venice incident the only mission blackwatch actually did

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Blackwatch, for the most part, specialized in taking care of criminal organizations

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no

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:22 PM

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or have they done alot before

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o

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:22 PM

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no way, lmao

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why would you think that

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Venice was more like the first time the public found out about blackwatch

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:23 PM

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yep

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 5:23 PM

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BW was a much better kept secret than any military spec ops unit, Well as far as we know.

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:23 PM

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its so secret that not even we know

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monkaThink

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:24 PM

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anyhow

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:24 PM

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did reyes have his

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shit hold on

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 5:24 PM

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?

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:24 PM

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pulling a boss

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sec

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 5:25 PM

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BW becoming public of course scared a lot of people for a good reason, Overwatch was in some ways above the law. They were not oversighted directly by a country like a military team is.

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And I suspect maybe even the UN did not know about BW

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:27 PM

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didnt anyone question the fact that reyes had

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like

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his mist abilites

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 5:27 PM

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I figure they have hidden bank accounts and shell companies too, And that is how Winston keeps things going despite OW technically being shut down.

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:27 PM

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he seemed to be just developing them around the time of Retribution

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:27 PM

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o

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:28 PM

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and Genji/McCree were a little distracted to comment on it

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:28 PM

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i mean

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didnt anyone in normal OW see it

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or well

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nvm

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i guess he wouldnt really use it near ow agents because he didnt really do missions with them

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apart from having some blackwatch agents in kings row

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scouting out uprising

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:41 PM

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just McCree

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 5:44 PM

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ye

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did england deny overwatches help because of the recent venice incident?

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or was the prime minister just being a cunt

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i mean the only we have in england atm is a cunt so wouldn't make much difference to irl/game :' )

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 5:50 PM

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the Venice Incident is probably a big part of the reason

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 7:12 PM

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yeah, I guess people didn't really trust Overwatch at that point

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 7:17 PM

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still a dick move to let the uprising omnics go ahead and cause havoc though

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lmao

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Can’t blame the public for distrust. They just found out OW did black ops when they had been seen more as the “white knight”

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Well more importantly black ops probably with little to no UN oversight

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 7:21 PM

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still though

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1 incident vs everything overwatch has done for the world

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sorry we're not gonna let u deal with the omnics at kings row because your guys killed some fat respected beeesnessmen in venice

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that is involved in a terrorist organisation

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 7:26 PM

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there was probably more than just that

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 7:26 PM

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@reef thicket mate, this is so much more than just "1 incident"

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out of a sudden, people find out that Overwatch had a black ops division

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that's not something that would just get shrugged off

peak escarp Dec 19, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Morrison and his peers ushered in an unprecedented era of peace and prosperity, but it was not to last. Two decades after Overwatch ended the Omnic Crisis and saved humanity, it was brought to its knees by a series of shocking allegations: negligence resulting in high-profile mission failures; corruption and mismanagement; weapons proliferation; human rights abuses; and more.

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But as time passed, criticism became harder to shrug off, and the agency seemed to be tone-deaf to public concerns. Controversial missions stoked public outrage until it reached a fever pitch, and some of Overwatch’s most famous and celebrated agents were forced to retire in disgrace. If that had been the end of it, many might have accepted these missteps as the unavoidable signs of an aging, bloated bureaucracy, suffering under monolithic leadership that desperately needed a change in direction. The truth was much worse than that.

In the final years of Overwatch's existence, a top secret division called "Blackwatch" was revealed. There were stories of assassination, coercion, kidnapping, torture, and worse. Governments called on the UN to shut down the "aggressive and repeated violations of many countries' sovereignty." As public distrust swelled, a massive explosion wiped out Overwatch's headquarters in Switzerland.```

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the public had always had rumors that Overwatch had a dark side, but it was dismissed as conspiracy theory

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until the Venice Incident, and all their suspicions were confirmed

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so it wasn't just one incident - it was one incident that confirmed dozens of other suspected incidents

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 7:34 PM

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im not clicking that..

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isnt that

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some sort of virus link

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

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it is he's a spammer

spring kelp Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

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checked it's just a link to his YT

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Oh

iron plume Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

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either way it's irrelevant shitposting

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

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ye

spring kelp Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Yeap 😛

reef thicket Dec 19, 2018, 7:36 PM

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did u kick him

dense estuary Dec 19, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Odds are lore wise if the UN ever did reopen OW they would keep a much tighter leash

dire timber Dec 19, 2018, 11:52 PM

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that's not gonna happen though

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and I think something big is eventally going to happen

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making the new Overwatch the only hope for the world

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 12:49 AM

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isnt the world starting to go back into chaos

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which is why winston initiated the recall in the first place

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like with the omnics attacking russia

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the gang violence in dorado

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and obviously talon on the loose

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 1:05 AM

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Yes

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:07 AM

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did jack morrison even say that

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it was like

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not his plan / he didn't intend for reyes to kill the reespected beesnessmen

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or what did he even say to the public after the reports on the blackwatch attack in venice

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Say what

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Im confused what youre talking about now

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:14 AM

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what did

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jack say to the public

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after the reports of the venice incident

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came in

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 1:14 AM

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He couldn't really just disown reyes

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:19 AM

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well yeah but what did he actually say

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xD

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 1:23 AM

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@reef thicket "he was one of the bad guys!"/"it wasn't part of the plan!" absolutely wouldn't fly

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:24 AM

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well yeah

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since half was the incident and half was the reveal of overwatches dark side

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 1:24 AM

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like, if you found out, right now, that the UN had a black ops division that just assassinated someone and fought a battle in a major city

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that would be some preeeetty big news

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:25 AM

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yeahg

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why did

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talon send like.. an entire army after the 4 anyways

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i mean sure they just killed a council member but damn

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like reyes said "looks like talon is mobalizing an entire army to stop us"

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 1:25 AM

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well, it started with an alert

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so deploying a number of grunts and snipers made sense

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:26 AM

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then later assassins

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 1:26 AM

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then, as Blackwatch started plowing through

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:26 AM

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then full on fucking

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juggernaughts with minigun arms

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 1:27 AM

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the reespected beesnessman almost certainly had allies, and guards in case of getting busted.

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:27 AM

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beesnessmen*

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xD

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but eh

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feels like talon wasted alot more grunts / special units during that incident

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all for nothing

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 1:28 AM

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I suspect that the grunts and snipers were what he had on hand, with others like a ton more grunts, assassins, and juggernauts ready to scramble to either his or his allies' bases.

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:28 AM

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because they survived

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 1:28 AM

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That's because blackwatch is really, really good

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:29 AM

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ah

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so they wanted to kill them

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while they had thechance

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Probably

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 1:29 AM

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i still want

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a talon sniper skin

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for widow or ana or something

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or even the assassin skin for genji if they

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edited it a bit

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considering the assassin in the mission is female

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 2:29 AM

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@reef thicket yeah, I really wanted Talon Sniper to be an Ana skin

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it should have been an Ana skin

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 2:30 AM

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having a skin that's an entirely different character would be weird

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at least Balderich had the same abilities as Reinhardt

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 2:49 AM

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@peak escarp it's just a skin; Torb is not part of the Deadlock Gang either

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Torb's Deadlock skin is still Torbjorn

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it could be argued that Reinhardt's Balderich skin is Balderich, since we don't see Reinhardt's face

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I personally don't see it that way, but I've heard other people argue for it

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 2:56 AM

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well, it's still Reinhardt; the voice lines are still Reinhardt

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another comparison could be Orisa and OR14

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Nul Sectors' OR14 units were not Orisa

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but nonetheless, they exist as an Orisa skin

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I think it could be done similarly with Ana and the Talon snipers

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:02 AM

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here's a simple timeline of key parts of overwatch's lore and some further calculations
(i accomplished all of these ez pez calculations and acquired some assistance from the leaderboard's overwatch timeline video)

in 2046, the omnic crisis began (30 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2051, overwatch was founded (25 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2056, the omnic crisis ended (20 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2068, retribution / the venice incident occurred, blackwatch was revealed to the public (8 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2069 (tracer's first mission in overwatch) king's row uprising occurred (7 years ago from present day; estimated)

in 2070, the overwatch swiss hq was demolished through explosive means (6 years ago from present day ; estimated)

in 2071, overwatch was shut down (5 years ago from present day; estimated)

currently, in lore, the present day is set in the year 2076 (estimated)

quite self-explanatory but the omnic crisis lasted from 2046-2056 (10 years)
overwatch was involved in the war for 5 years; exactly for half of the war

tracer joined overwatch when she was 18 (2068 estimated) as a test pilot
essentially tracer served overwatch for 3 years, two as an agent

mei went into cryostasis for 9 years, and 4 years into her cryostasis stage overwatch was shut down
so essentially mei started cryostasis in 2067, a year before retribution / the venice incident
in 2076 mei was awoken by winston's recall message to all former overwatch agents

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 5:13 AM

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The ranges need to be fixed a bit

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White Dome was after the Crisis ended, and happened 23 years ago

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Meaning the war ended before that

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As for your beginning of the war, and the founding of Overwatch

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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I'd think that that was a remaining pocket of resistance or something

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 5:14 AM

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They're both ~30 years ago

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Yeah, that's what the report said

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The Crisis started at least 30 years ago

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Overwatch was founded no more than 30 years ago

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But we cant guess specifics

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@worthy rose

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:18 AM

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so i guess in late 2040s - early 2050s the omnic crisis ended?

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estimated ofc

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that means overwatch was founded earlier than that, in the 2040s

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and possibly the omnic crisis began in late 2030s - early 2040s

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@limpid agate

pearl blade Dec 20, 2018, 5:23 AM

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So uh, kinda silly question but is reaper saying "Santa never came to my house" canon or nah?

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 5:24 AM

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@pearl blade Santa is not real.

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In the Overwatch world

pearl blade Dec 20, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Well not in the real world either but did his parents not do Christmas for him or is that unknown?

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:25 AM

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yes

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Unknown.

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We know nothing of his parents

valid shell Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Santa isn't real, yetis aren't real, dragons and vampires and zombies aren't real in Overwatch. They all fall under the same fiction.

pearl blade Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Aight. Thank you

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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I'd guess no christmas, the short isn't real, but I think some of the stuff in it is

valid shell Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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?

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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If asked about whether reaper likes cookies, I'd say yes

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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I'm not taking any of it as canon.

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Its claymation

valid shell Dec 20, 2018, 5:26 AM

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They're toys.

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 5:27 AM

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And Reaper being cookie lusted seemed really out of character

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:27 AM

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It also seems like the kind of little thing that the quintessential villain has to affirm his humanity.

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*would have

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 5:45 AM

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writing out a timeline with actual years instead of "years before" doesn't really work

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because with a few exceptions, we don't know exactly when anything happens

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 5:45 AM

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We have the roughly 60 years in the future

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 5:49 AM

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we know generally when things happen, but not many specific numbers

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the only specific numbers I can think of are the heroes' ages and, the "years ago" for all the missions (White Dome 23 years ago, Retribution 8 years ago, Uprising 7 years ago)

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everything else is vague and rounded

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:02 AM

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@peak escarp i put 'estimated' in the timeline, if you did not notice

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Your estimation is guessing a specific year

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In a range where that year is one of the limits

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Its like saying, if you have a box that may have 1-12 eggs

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You estimate it has 12 eggs

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Even though there are 11 equally likely possibilities below it

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:07 AM

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i got some things from the leaderboard's timeline and from what people say it's fairly accurate in it's estimates

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:09 AM

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What is the leaderboard

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I've never heard of this channel

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:09 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkYEKuyQJXIXunUD7Vy3eTw

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833k subscribers

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makes 107 facts of certain video-games, racks millions of views

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Well the very first thing he says is wrong.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cudxLlLrf8E

YouTube

The Leaderboard

The Complete Overwatch Timeline - The Rise and Fall of Overwatch |...

Overwatch has a deep and interesting story that not all player may not be aware of, and that's where we come in. Join The Leaderboard as we explore the rise ...

▶ Play video

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In this

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He says that pre war was 20-30 years ago, and that Omnica started.

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Omnica was like, ~40 years ago

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He then makes an assumption on what caused the Crisis

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We dont know what caused the Crisis

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 7:12 AM

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just because it's popular doesn't mean it's right

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:12 AM

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But the Omniums were shut down for almost decade

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Before they woke up

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Also, he talks about Doomfist during the Crisis

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We don't know what the Saviour was the Saviour of

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But he sure as shit didn't save Numbani from the Crisis like he implies

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Numbani didn't exist until afterwards

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His years are also way too spread apart

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Overwatch was made much earlier than he suggests

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The Istanbul operation was post crisis

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"To Gabriel Reyes' dismay" no it wasn't. Gabriel was fine that he was given Blackwatch instead of the Strike Commander position

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:17 AM

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you sure about that?

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Yes

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:18 AM

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that's the original reason why the conflict between them began

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:18 AM

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No it isnt

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@peak escarp I didn't put the source on the wiki, got the Chu forum/interview/forgot where it came from about Gabriel not caring much about losing Strike Commander

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He also puts the Golden Age at a specific year

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19 years ago

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And implies Mercy joined before this golden age

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Which is also hella wrong

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She joined in the end of that decade, not the start

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:20 AM

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i did some research:

One of the examples of [complex characters] that excites me that we're gonna delve into that I--I don't even think our audience understands fully yet because we haven't explained it well yet is that like, Reyes and Morrison, especially in the early days--for those of you unfamiliar with the story, at one point Reyes was in charge of Overwatch when it formed and when it became more of a thing after they defeated the Omnic Crisis, Morrison was actually given the top position of power and Reyes was overlooked because he was too rogue, he was too maverick in his leadership style--he ruffled too many feathers.

And a lot of our fans have assumed "oh, that's why Reyes and Morrison hate each other," and the story that we're developing is actually, like--no, these guys loved each other--like--they're like, best war buddies. And in a lot of ways, Reyes was relieved that Morrison had to have the more political role, and like, he was like kind of--it's always easier being the number two guy because you're not ultimately accountable for all that, Reyes was kind of, you know, in some ways thankful and relieved, um, and weirdly, we're gonna show how that relationship actually was Morrison's downfall because for so long, Morrison would actually defend Reyes's questionable actions.

And to us, that feels more like what would actually happen between real people and less just, um, typical cliche black-and-white "this guy is bad, that guy is good," you know, we want to have that depth of relationship because I think it's ultimately more relatable to all of us as kind of human beings.

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huh, thought he didn't like how morrison was given the position

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Also ,before I read that

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Gonna add another thing I heard him say

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In the golden age part, all the shit he said Overwatch did, like eliminate disease and shit

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Didnt happen

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@worthy rose Thats the source I wanted

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Link please

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:22 AM

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i didn't go by those parts, i only used the parts that i put in the timeline that i posted

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i skipped by parts just to find the timelines that were in the video

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yeah sure

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/7bs5z4/jeff_kaplan_on_morrison_and_reyes/

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:22 AM

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The timelines in the video are wrong

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The whole video is a mess

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Its like he did it himself without consulting anyone

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And said "yup that looks good enough"

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Thanks

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 7:23 AM

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in 2046, the omnic crisis began (30 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2051, overwatch was founded (25 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2056, the omnic crisis ended (20 years ago from the present day; estimated)

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in 2068, retribution / the venice incident occurred, blackwatch was revealed to the public (8 years ago from the present day; estimated)

in 2069 (tracer's first mission in overwatch) king's row uprising occurred (7 years ago from present day; estimated)

in 2070, the overwatch swiss hq was demolished through explosive means (6 years ago from present day ; estimated)

in 2071, overwatch was shut down (5 years ago from present day; estimated)

currently, in lore, the present day is set in the year 2076 (estimated)

=====

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so, above that line,

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the large one,

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that's inaccurate as estimates?

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or just inaccurate dates

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as you said the omnic crisis began earlier, meaning those other two must have been shifted backwards

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 AM

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His estimation of when Overwatch is founded

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Is more likely when the Crisis ended

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Using those numbers you listed above

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Also, Retribution/Uprising/HQ explosion/OW shutdown

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Are not estimated

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 9:55 AM

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@pearl blade the stop-motion video is not canon

limber wolf Dec 20, 2018, 10:53 AM

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Which stop motion video are you mentioning ?

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 11:00 AM

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The new cookie reaper one

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Just go to OW Youtube channel

limber wolf Dec 20, 2018, 1:37 PM

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right, thanks

regal coyote Dec 20, 2018, 2:41 PM

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the thing is, ow as an organization inflates quickly due to these success also

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and as an international meag organization with huge power and military might you can see it is going to be a threat to many

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Damn there mustve been a few years of omnic rampage before ow began

regal coyote Dec 20, 2018, 2:43 PM

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either for legit reason (of having an unchecked mega organization with powerful boom booms) or as people whose profit has been restricted/violated

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 2:43 PM

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When was Talon founded

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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we don't know

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Hm

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Probably after the omnic crisis

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 6:50 PM

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the attack on Oslo right before Retribution is the earliest known occurence

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

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And we know Gerard headed anti Talon operations before that

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And also that the organization was already massive by that point.

frosty shell Dec 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Also, we know Talon tried to recruit Sojiro Shimada

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So it existed before his death

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 7:31 PM

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good point on that

limber wolf Dec 20, 2018, 8:14 PM

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say, does the "shimada" name hold a meaning ?

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 8:19 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimada_(surname)

Shimada (surname)

Shimada (written: 島田 or 嶋田 lit. "island rice field") is a Japanese surname. Notable people with the surname include:

Bell M. Shimada (1922–1958), American fisheries scientist
Bin Shimada, voice actor
Fumikane Shimada (born 1974), an anime and videogame illustrator ...

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Genji and Hanzo use 島田

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:22 PM

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those symbols

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first looks like some small skyscraper building

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the other looks like a set of draws

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 8:22 PM

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島田半蔵 and 島田源氏 should be their names

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:23 PM

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😄

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Based on Hanzo being named after Hattori Hanzo

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And Genji being named after the Tale of Genji

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:23 PM

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theres another Genji?

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...

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1 is enough for the world..

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 8:24 PM

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The Tale of Genji is one of the oldest novels to exist

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:24 PM

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oh

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irl thing?

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o.o

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 8:24 PM

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... Yes of course

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:24 PM

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oh it is

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pog

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wtf

limpid agate Dec 20, 2018, 8:24 PM

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So is Hattori Hanzo.

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:26 PM

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lmfao

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hattori actually

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looks like hanzo

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or atleast in this pic i found he does

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http://www.ancientpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hattorihanzo.jpg

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 8:29 PM

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the Tale of Genji is widely considered to be the first novel

limber wolf Dec 20, 2018, 8:30 PM

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does the hero need healing at any point ? I'll see myself out with my overused joke.
Thanks for the clarifications

peak escarp Dec 20, 2018, 8:33 PM

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no but it is about a noble who spends his life chasing women and not being responsible

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so there is some comparison

limber wolf Dec 20, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Oh. I'll add that to my endless "to read" list

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 8:57 PM

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LMFAO

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nice

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 9:37 PM

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would hanzo be called a villain

reef thicket Dec 20, 2018, 9:39 PM

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not really

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hes not really a good guy either

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hes neutral probably

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he doesnt want to join overwatch

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and has straight up denied joining talon

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 9:40 PM

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ree

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ok what about bastion

worn solar Dec 20, 2018, 9:40 PM

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Probably good

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He’s with Torbjorn now

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 9:41 PM

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another excuse for him to ignore brig

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ok last one but what about hammond

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would he be a villain or join winston into overwatch

worn solar Dec 20, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Hammond’s primary goal is “looking for adventure”

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So he’s probably neutral

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But he would probably join Winston if they ever made contact

heady fern Dec 20, 2018, 10:26 PM

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is it confirmed what his relationship with winston is?

worthy rose Dec 20, 2018, 11:01 PM

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I think they were friends at the lunar station

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I know that Hammond basically hitched a ride on Winston's ship to earth (which makes no sense, rockets carry only just enough fuel because it's extra weight that you would have to lift into orbit)

regal coyote Dec 20, 2018, 11:13 PM

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no Genji is NOT named after that piece of shit playboy in "tale of genji" for the last time

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most likely named after THE OTHER genji, the warrior clan

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most likely refer to the Minamoto clan

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ehich can be transcribed/pronounced/whatever as genji

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wuite a few anime and movie on these guys

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the one in "tale of genji" can barely hold a sword

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spends time being a pedophile (no srsly) and smashing different females, and getting haunted by ghosts of old mistresses,e tc.

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think in the end he turns monk, so there is that

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(Yes I read a translated version of this thing. it is nice read really, just it is furthest from what a ninja/warrior can be)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamoto_clan

Minamoto clan

Minamoto (源) was one of the surnames bestowed by the Emperors of Japan upon members of the imperial family who were excluded from the line of succession and demoted into the ranks of the nobility from 1192 to 1333. The practice was most prevalent during the Heian period (79...

dire timber Dec 20, 2018, 11:23 PM

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how come we don't have official kanji, anyway

wooden kraken Dec 21, 2018, 12:41 AM

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I’m a little puzzled , what is Symmetra’e role in the story and does she have any link to Torb?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 1:13 AM

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She's linked to Vishkar, which is basically gentrifying suburbs in developing countries over the objections of the inhabitants, including Lucio, and is probably linked to Oasis, where Moira is the minister of science.

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No links to torbjorn.

wooden kraken Dec 21, 2018, 1:41 AM

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I see

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I assumed the links just because they’ve had more than one voice line shared with each other

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 1:51 AM

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jesus hamster, calm down

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it's entirely possible Genji took inspiration from both

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the only confirmed inspiration we have for the Shimada bros. is Jiro Dreams of Sushi

limpid agate Dec 21, 2018, 2:08 AM

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@dire timber Good question.

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Even localized

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Their names are written in Katakana

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 2:09 AM

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yeah, I was just checking the Japanese site

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https://playoverwatch.com/ja-jp/heroes/genji/

Overwatch

ゲンジ - オーバーウォッチ

現代の忍者の武器を手に、この寡黙なサイボーグは悟りと真理を探し求めている。

limpid agate Dec 21, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Though the versions of the names I posted above

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Are what I can find on Japanese sources

frosty shell Dec 21, 2018, 2:59 AM

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The Genji from the Tale of Genji isn't that unlike OW's Genji

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They both had carefree lives at first

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And out-of-game-wise it's not surprising that Genji wasn't named after a ninja, because Hanzo was named first

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Gaijin Goomba made a good video on the inspirations behind Hanzo and Genji's names

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In Chinese, Genji's name is spelled the same as the one from the Tale of Genji

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though that's not 100% official

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Genji was kind of doomed by his name, I guess - I assume the Shimada people must've noticed the similarities between their Genji and the novel Genji

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Hammond's pod wasn't that heavy - also it didn't follow Winston's probe all the way so it didn't have to account for the weight differential very much

dense estuary Dec 21, 2018, 7:47 AM

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yea his pod was not that heavy and odds are the ship was meant to carry multiple people off the moon for return to Earth. And considering the tech level of the setting its possible they use a drive system less depending on a finite balance of fuel and LOX.

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 10:37 AM

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I wonder if bastion could ever get a voice

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Instead of beeping and booping

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 11:15 AM

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nope, that's not gonna happen

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it's like R2 from Star Wars

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beeps and boops will be understood by some of the characters

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but they won't ever be anything but beeps and boops

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 12:09 PM

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:(

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Is anyone able to understand bastion then

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Or is he only able to communicate emotional beeps and boops

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Like n angry boop

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Or a sad boop

cunning ledge Dec 21, 2018, 1:46 PM

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Zenyatta understands him in at least one interaction

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Possibly Torb does too, in Binary

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 2:03 PM

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@reef thicket other omnics can understand him

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 3:39 PM

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oh

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cute

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i wonder how accepting overwatch would be of bastion

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considering hes still a bastion

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the things that killed thousands of people

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but bastion is still different i guess

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hes sorta gotten a mind of his own and is actually kindof cute if u take out the fact he can still turn into a massive minigun of destruction + can turn into a tank

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

regal coyote Dec 21, 2018, 4:55 PM

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On genji, the problem is then in chinese/kenji the name Genji is exactly the same for both Genji of "tale of genji" and that of the old writing for "the clan of warriors"

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if anything ti is even closer

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in face, genji in kenji/chinese always make you wonder if they are talking about the classical literature or the warrior clans

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so yeah it is common confusion.

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and the chinese translation dont help either way, on both chinese versions, both traditional chinese and decrapified chinese.

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 5:37 PM

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@reef thicket Zen and Orisa both have at least one dialog line with Bastion, that suggests they understand him. I don't remember what Zen say, but Bastion actually adresses Orisa, who responds by thanking him.

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Also, if we trust the related comic, Torb was hired to hunt down a lone Bastion unit after the war. He quickly discovers it doesn't behave like bastion units are known to behave.

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Also also, Lucio prolly doesnt understand him, but one of their IG interaction is Lucio booping to bastion, and bastion boops back. Mei tells him he'd be a perfect reseach assistant (wtf lady) and he boops back too.

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Here's aé video documenting Bastion's interactions : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PwD9_WdAsY

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Can't tell if any of that is considered canon

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You'll note that most of his kill quotes kinda sound like laughter

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 6:27 PM

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what's wrong with Mei thinking Bastion would make a good research assistant? its not like she said research subject

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 6:28 PM

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does research involve freezing bastion and sending an icile through his skull

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and yeah lucio is probably just messing wtih bastion

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and yeah just heard orisas interaction

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thats like

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direct confirmation they can understand eachother

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xD

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ALL MODEL SUBJECTS TO TERMINATION

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woke

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also

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did bastion units beep and boop

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prior to Bastion as we know him

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or was it only bastion that started to communicate

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 6:33 PM

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omnics do seem to have their own language

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maybe Bastion's beeps are just the auditory form

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 6:34 PM

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well

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or14s made noises too

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but alot more spoopy ones

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 6:43 PM

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@peak escarp I may be biased here but I wouldn't take a war robot made for mass killing/destruction as a climate research assistant :v

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Bastion is peaceful (unless triggered) and would be excellent for holding scientific equipment and serving as an extra set of hands

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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didnt his trigger thing

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go away

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after ganymede came back

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at the end of the last bastion cinematic

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also i kinda wish bastion got a skin

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of after he came out of the ocean

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so he has a squid stuck to him xD

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 6:49 PM

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that would look cool

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 7:07 PM

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I think Bastion could still be triggered by loud, repetitive noises

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 7:15 PM

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dont take him near a construction site

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 7:56 PM

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@reef thicket like I said, Bastion beeps is like the beeps of Star Wars droids

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it's just how they communicate

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 7:56 PM

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ye

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i wish we had

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translations for him

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 8:06 PM

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no need imo

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 8:07 PM

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There's a fan animation where torb and soldier work to give Bastion a real voice and he's just completely unbearable
But I think you can get a sense of what he's trying to convey via the context and pitch of his boops

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Translations would remove that ironclad charm he has

granite gazelle Dec 21, 2018, 8:08 PM

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boop

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 8:08 PM

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<3

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BTW does he "snore" when he's hit by a sleep dart ?

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 8:09 PM

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lmfao

granite gazelle Dec 21, 2018, 8:09 PM

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i think he makes a dwindling sound

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 8:09 PM

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i saw that erizo

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 8:21 PM

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me no spika ingles

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Speaking of lines, one of Mercy's "hello" lines sounds like "Heutzehmen" or something. I asked a german friend and she says she never heard that word. Any idea if it's actually german ?

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Mercy speaks Swiss German, so it might not carry into conventional German.

iron plume Dec 21, 2018, 8:40 PM

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it's "Hallo zusammen" and yes it's swiss german

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was added pretty much in response to complaints about her not speaking swiss dialect

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 8:43 PM

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@limber wolf

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 8:44 PM

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damn I always forget she's swiss

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Thanks you two

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Does anyone else think the new Overwatch Christmas video confirms D.Va and Lucio as members of Overwatch? Or am I over thinking?

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 8:53 PM

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@sly socket wuh

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 8:54 PM

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what does it have to do with Lucio?

hearty radish Dec 21, 2018, 8:54 PM

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I think they're talking about the new video

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 8:54 PM

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the art one?

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Yeah

hearty radish Dec 21, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Yea

iron plume Dec 21, 2018, 8:55 PM

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that has nothing to do with canon

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 8:55 PM

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it's not lore related

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and I didn't hear Lucio mentioned at all

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 8:55 PM

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They are some of the more likely candidates, but I doubt the video suggests anything.

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 8:57 PM

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This was my thought process:
Instead of having Tracer, a known member of Overwatch, requesting a picture for her Overwatch friends, they had D.Va requested for the picture.

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 8:57 PM

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they had DVa because the artist is Korean

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 8:58 PM

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^

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I'm all about D.Va and Lucio joining OW and pushing the plot forward, but I'm not about to chase fireflies.

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Oh okay that makes sense. There is more things to why I think this but I am probably giving them too much credit.

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I'm probably looking into too much into it.

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Way too much credit. Blizzard just plugs whatever applicable face and name to make people scrub their screen with smudgy fingers and gurgle "I KNOW THEM".

hearty radish Dec 21, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Why when the artist recieved a call from D.Va it had the Overwatch logo on it?

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Because D.Va is from the hit award-winning bestselling Activision-Blizzard game 'Overwatch'.

hearty radish Dec 21, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Really?! I thought I was Tracer!

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Common misconception.

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 9:04 PM

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I feel like D.Vas their cash cow.

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But yeah, reading too much into it.

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:12 PM

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DVa is way more popular than Tracer in Korea (naturally)

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 9:22 PM

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I would claim classic Asian xenophobia, but D.Va's probably more popular than Tracer in England, as well as everywhere else in the world.

iron plume Dec 21, 2018, 9:23 PM

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don't have to be xenophobic to identify more with someone of your nationality

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:33 PM

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damn weebs innit
I'm really miffed about Dva's story. Teen starcraft champion selected because of that to pilot mechs ? How do these skills even translate ?

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:33 PM

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she wasn't a Starcraft champion

iron plume Dec 21, 2018, 9:33 PM

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she's not a starcraft champion

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:33 PM

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she was a champion at a game that has skills that translate to mech piloting

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:33 PM

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god, where did I get that idea x_x

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:34 PM

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don't worry, everyone has that idea

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including most of the devs

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Sheep effect I guess :v

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:34 PM

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pretty much

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one of her teammates is a Starcraft champ though

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Oh well. I'll keep being salty about her for other reasons, but privately, now

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 9:39 PM

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D.Va's lore was always weird to me. But thats honestly my feelings for mostly everyone's lore...

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:42 PM

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most of it makes sense

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the rest would make sense if we knew more

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:43 PM

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I don't know. It bothers me. Her whole character bothers me.

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 9:44 PM

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I don't know. I find a lot of character's lore kinda meh. I do agree that we need to know more.

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Is it just DVas lore that bothers you? Or is there more to that?

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Obnoxious fat bait fanservice that got "this one is made to be waifued" stamped on her foreahead

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Yep.... Understandable.

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Everyone loves her, the WORST interaction she has in game is widow saying to her "this is no place for a child", she unironically says things like gg or lol OUT LOUD

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:51 PM

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that's her celebrity persona

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in Shooting Star we saw that she has a more nuanced personality

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Thing is, even in shooting star she seems like she has no flaws at all beside the bait-flaw "excessively heroic for her own good"

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I just can"t get around that character.

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 9:53 PM

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eh, you can't please everyone

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:53 PM

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indeed

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But I still play her sometimes cause I got the police meka and it goes wee-wuu when boosting

valid shell Dec 21, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Are you just quoting that Dva side of salt video

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Yah, that video summed up what I didn't like about the character but couldn't quite put in words before that guy did for me

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 9:56 PM

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Fair enough. Her shooting star cinematic actually made me like her more. To each their own.

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 9:56 PM

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What I kinda like about her is the indirect crowd control effect of her ult. But now that's getting a bit unrelated

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Yeah, a bit unrelated but I do like playing as her too. She's not an awful character, but at least used to come off as waifu bait to me.

limber wolf Dec 21, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Usually if we already have a barrier tank, she tends to be a good second choice. Way more effective at protecting squishies thanks the the range of her defense matrix and can bail herself out of trouble easily

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I'd favor her over all the other non-barrier tanks

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But that may be because I'm not good at the game :°

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Do we have any info on how that defense matrix works, btw ?

wooden kraken Dec 21, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Hm, I mean it’s pretty much a projectile sponge, I’m curious about the development though

frosty shell Dec 21, 2018, 10:11 PM

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It is weird though how Hammond's pod was able to survive the impact

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The defense matrix in lore works by D. Va shooting down projectiles

wooden kraken Dec 21, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Oh it shoots it down , I just thought it just absorbed them like reins fire strike

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 10:18 PM

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how the hell does it

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shoot down a firestrike

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xD

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Lasers

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 10:21 PM

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I don't think it would work against something like fire strike in the lore

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it just has to in the game for balance

wooden kraken Dec 21, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Ohh Yh true

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What’s Doom’s backstory though ?

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Before Talon and that whole prison escape

sly socket Dec 21, 2018, 10:27 PM

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ThinkingSombra Yeah I wonder too. Never actually thought about it.

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 10:28 PM

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https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/doomfist/

Overwatch

Doomfist - Overwatch

A tactician who uses his intelligence, charisma and brute force to build a stronger world.

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he was a pro at African Martial arts but he lost his arm after the crisis and wasn't allowed to compete with a prosthetic

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he tried to run his family's company but that wasn't doing it for him, so Doomfist II recruited him to be a mercenary and eventually join Talon

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Akande eventually murdered Doomfist II and became Doomfist III

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Does anyone else think that hero 30 might end up being a talon tank?

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 10:37 PM

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people have been thinking a Talon tank is next since Moira

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I don't really see why

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 10:39 PM

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It’s the only position they haven’t got a talon character in

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Possibly a new Omnic robot that’s been re-worked for them?

peak escarp Dec 21, 2018, 10:40 PM

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but why do they need to have a tank?

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 10:41 PM

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because then they won’t lose to Overwatch so much

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Also possibly as a distraction for getting away when a mission goes wrong

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Dispensable unit basically

grim thorn Dec 21, 2018, 10:44 PM

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Would make sense.

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 10:46 PM

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My only issue is thinking of what it would look like

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And how it would be unique

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 10:53 PM

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Massive dude in black and red armor

ebon laurel Dec 21, 2018, 10:53 PM

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The heavy assault guy or whatever his name was from retribution looked cool

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 10:53 PM

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yes

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 10:54 PM

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That would be awesome

reef thicket Dec 21, 2018, 11:11 PM

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yeah that guyt

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he was actually playable

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by hackers during retribution

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xD

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he fucking rekt people in games thoughg

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:15 PM

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zenyatta lore

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yeah what is the iris

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:26 PM

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He is friends with Genji I believe

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That’s about all I know

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Iris might be the Omnic nirvana

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You guys know what that is?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:27 PM

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yeah

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Ok

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Or it could just be their karma

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I’d assume it’s based off something already in Buddhism

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:28 PM

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omnic atman

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or whatever its called

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:29 PM

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That’s could be it as well

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But the atman is found in Hinduism and I’m pretty sure zen is Buddhist

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Jeff goodman said he wanted at least 100 heroes. I have an idea that at some point in the future, the retribution characters will be heroes, maybe not with their names ‘heavy assault’ or ‘assassin’ but instead a name like B7-ZE or something like the name of bastions unit (E54) if that makes sense. Heavy assault could be a brawler tank with a ram ability, assassin could be a strong diver, etc. Or maybe they are modified versions of the unit bought back by the modern talon organisation. I don’t know, probably not, but makes 100 heroes could be a challenge.

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Ohh

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There’s also the ones that fly by during recall

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When he’s going through the list

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 11:33 PM

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as far as we know, Iris is a spiritual concept for the Shambali

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that's basically all we know in canon

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:33 PM

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Ah ok

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 11:34 PM

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there's this whole thing, like "humans and omnics are one within the Iris", or being "enlightened through the Iris"

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:35 PM

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Hm

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Continuing my previous message, for example the assassin could be a melee hero with 200 health, a passive ability to cling to walls, a dive ability where it dashes in the floor and strikes an enemy down, or possibly having it as an ultimate. Heavy assault could keep its strong Gatling guns, have a ram ability that is faster but shorter range than rein, only have one of the large red hit boxes on his back without a head hit box, and maybe 700 Health. The sniper may need a real big change since widow already has a grapple, but the idea of a no charge time sniper with a laser reticle could be cool. And maybe the enforcer has a charge up shotgun and jump ability? Idk I’m rambling now but that video of the guys playing the characters got me thinking

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Hm

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I’m liking the ideas

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We could have symmetry’s boss as a character (I can’t remember his name exactly)

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Sanjay Korpal?

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Yes

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Since he’s on the inner council of talon I think

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:40 PM

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remember the exoskeleton in the background of the comic with doomfist, could be his

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he could build hard light barricades

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or bridges or something

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Possibly a mech like d.va?

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Made from hardlight

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:41 PM

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yeah

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Or that could be his ult

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:41 PM

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i think it should have a buffed version of Symmetras original E, giving 75 shields instead of 25

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Yeah

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I wonder what his main attack would be

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Maybe a gun similar to orisa and dva that slows whilst firing

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:42 PM

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It could be anything hardlight related

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Supercharge shot like symmetra?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:42 PM

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or to be honest, we do need a tank designed to peel for heroes, so maybe a long range weapon

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Hm

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Rocket launcher?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:43 PM

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id like a hero with a railgun

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slow and steady tank

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:43 PM

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That works as well

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:43 PM

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takes a while to charge but does high damage

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:43 PM

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I like it

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Would he be able to evacuate the mech?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:44 PM

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well lore related he must use hard light, maybe he can place two beacons and the shield of hard light is created between the two beacons, and you shoot down one beacon to destroy it, not the shield itself? may not work since you could place beacons by walls but it could

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Could the ultimate be it makes a super barrier upon destruction?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:44 PM

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hmm

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too similar to symm

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:44 PM

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That’s probably true

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:45 PM

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we need more slow charge time high effectiveness ultimates, like zarya

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:45 PM

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A dome barrier that enemies can’t pass through?

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That might be too op though

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:45 PM

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well then a bastion could sit inside it

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yeah

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:46 PM

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This is fun to think about

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Hardlight beacon?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:46 PM

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maybe he calls an army of like 5hp small hard light bots, like a weaker version of slicers from the archives event insurrection or whatever

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:46 PM

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It gives shield to everyone in an aoe

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Maybe he controls them like a swarm?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:47 PM

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remember the hivemind hero from the original set of overwatch hero ideas?

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could be like that

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:47 PM

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That could work

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So would he just direct them to a particular aoe

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:47 PM

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hammond in development originally had flamethrowers, maybe a hero with a heat based flamethrower? good for chokepoints

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yeah thats a good idea too

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well they only make heroes where they see a gap in the meta or an idea not already in the game, so maybe a swarm hero could be useful

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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That could cut off areas for a short time, useful but not too op

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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I just had a good idea for the Sanjay tank idea

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Go on

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Since GOATS is an issue, the mech could have an ulti where a hard light railgun of sorts comes out and instead of dealing a certain amount of damage, it deals a PERCENTAGE of a heroes health, so if it did 25%, it would only do 50 to mccree, but i would do 150 to roadhog. would really help the tank heavy meta by shredding. May last like 10 seconds or it has a certain amount of ammo

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:50 PM

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That’s a pretty good idea

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would it do the same to barriers?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

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yeah, so to a rein shield it would do 500, but brig it would only do 150

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

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I like the idea

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:51 PM

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so he can stop a push by demolishing front line tanks, but it would be at a charge rate similar to that of death blossom, not long, not short

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on the longer side

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Also, would a flamethrower be too similar to Tesla cannon?

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Or would it be shorter range, more damage?

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:52 PM

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nah cause it would do burn damage like dynamite

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id say mid range, more tick damage but it has a heat mechanic, no reload

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:52 PM

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It’d probably have a long reload time

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:53 PM

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nah heat mechanic, so fire it too long and it wont work, but in short bursts it does fine

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:53 PM

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Ok

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What would that ultimate look like

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:54 PM

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well it would probably be a 400 Health tank like zarya designed to hold chokes, so maybe a long charge 'floor is lava' where a certain area does low tick burn damage for a while in a radius just smaller than a mei blizzard

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Hm

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That’s rather like Torbjörn

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:56 PM

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Also a while ago I had the idea for a hero, back when there were offense and defense, for a defensive hero able to build invincible crouch-height barricades, 5 per game with no cooldown, but they dont recharge, with a rapid fire fast moving projectile that slows them slightly, and an ultimate like Tachanka's LMG from rainbow six siege, and a four way movement ability like lunge but can also go vertically

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a builder hero, which the game needs

pliant sparrow Dec 21, 2018, 11:58 PM

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That’s not a bad idea

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Very useful for pushing against a bastion

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:58 PM

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it would be small barricades which can hold a choke but not be op, you can just jump over them, and youre only unable to be seen from one angle, and even then you have to crouch and you can not see in front of you

dire timber Dec 21, 2018, 11:59 PM

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that armor in the background was more likely than not a Retribution tease

worthy rose Dec 21, 2018, 11:59 PM

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i actually have a whole document with the skins, damage and everything on it cause i was so entrigued by the concept

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yeah true

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:03 AM

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love teasers

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Well we all missed the moira teasers lmao

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:05 AM

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True that

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we didn’t miss the Ashe teasers

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oh wait...

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Yeah

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:07 AM

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~~what teasers~~

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I wonder, do Junkrat and Roadhog have any relationship with the deadlock gang?

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:10 AM

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nope

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:10 AM

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Hm

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What is their relationship to everyone else?

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I think Hammond is the closest anyone’s come to meeting them since he was a mech battler In junkertown

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:13 AM

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there's hints on Castillo that McCree might have been hunting them

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since they were there around the time of the riots to rob the bank

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:16 AM

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@pliant sparrow well, Junkers have a couple of comics

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but otherwise, they have no connection to any of the heroes

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other than Junkrat seemingly being a fan of the Wrecking Ball, I guess

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and I guess like @peak escarp said, McCree's probably trying to cash in

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maybe they'll get a comic or something

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:21 AM

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Ok

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Just wondering

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:22 AM

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I guess I'll share this here too

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:22 AM

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Since the only other characters that haven’t really interacted with others are lucio and D.va

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:22 AM

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📎 timeline_graphic.png

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I made a graphic that shows the timelines of each hero

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as best as I can figure

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you'll have to open the image to see the details - it's pretty big

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Symmetra hasn't really either

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:24 AM

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Hmm

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Some characters are surprisingly old

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Sym now has connections with the rest of the cast through Oasis and Moira.

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Through lucio to an extent as well

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Same with the junkers and Hammond.

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Since his father worked for the same company she does

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Symmetra has no connection to Oasis

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her Oasis skin isn't canon

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

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Really?

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:26 AM

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So is lucio her only link?

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:27 AM

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I thought that Vishkar probably designed the city

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:27 AM

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we don't know if they've ever met

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Hm

worthy rose Dec 22, 2018, 12:27 AM

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They're linked because opponents

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Lucio is anti-Vishkar and Symmetra works for Vishkar

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Vishkar was not involved in building Oasis

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:28 AM

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I wonder if she’ll go down the talon or Overwatch path when she finds out her boss is on the inner council

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Orisa is also pretty isolated from the rest of the heroes

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:34 AM

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That’s true

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:34 AM

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although she and Efi are fans of Lucio

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:34 AM

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Is Efi going to be a hero you think?

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:35 AM

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no

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she's too young

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:35 AM

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Hm

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~~orisa is only three months~~

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:35 AM

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~~Orisa also isn't human~~

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Lucio, DVa, Symmetra and Orisa haven't met any other heroes

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Hm

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Junkrat and Roadhog have only met each other (and maybe Wrecking Ball, but we haven't seen it)

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Hanzo has only met Genji

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Zarya has only met Sombra

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Zenyatta has only met Genji

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Symmetra is connected to the rest of the story through Sanjay and Lucio

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Ashe has only met McCree

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:38 AM

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with Sanjay being part of the Talon council

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and Lucio being a potential rival

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we haven't seen Symmetra and Lucio meet, but we do know they don't have high opinions of each other

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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they might know each other by reputation alone

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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yep

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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I wonder how synergies meeting doomfist would go

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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synergies?

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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What is it with autocorrect and symmetra today

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Symmetra heard of the rabble-rouser that ruined their Rio project, and Lucio heard of the golden child of Vishkar

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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First it was symmetries now synergies

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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well, they do have an interaction

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Symmetra is not fond of Doomfist, or Talon

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Wuh?

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Hmm

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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she sees them as a force of chaos

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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I thought Symm got along with DF.

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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nope

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Wait.

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Symm isn't impressed by Doomfist's reputation

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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It begs the question of how she’d react when she finds out Sanjay is on the inner council

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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I might be thinking of Symm and Moira?

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I'm probably thinking of Symm and Moira.

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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could be

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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"Should I be scared? I heard you leveled skyscrapers."

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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they have an interaction?

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:42 AM

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Maybe

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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If only there was some way to find out.

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What a world that would be.

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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@pliant sparrow she truly believes Vishkar is a force of good; she would not take kindly to working with Talon at all

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Moira: Look at this world, Symmetra. See what science has wrought?
Symmetra: Of course, science obeys the laws of nature. It is only to be expected.

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I was thinking of Sym and Moira.

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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hmm, nice

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Wonder if she would go out by herself after Sanjay is revealed then

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What’s her opinion of Overwatch?

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:44 AM

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it would likely be her breaking point

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she already has some doubts about how they work, but she pulls through, because she's "making a better world"

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Sanjay, I think, will be on of the next four “heroes” released into the game

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He might not be

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:45 AM

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the seed of doubt is definitely there

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:45 AM

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This is making me really want progression lore for once

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Of the named NPCs, Sanjay's up there.

peak escarp Dec 22, 2018, 12:46 AM

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we will get story progression in the new year

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not sure when, but we will

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Echo's top for obvious reasons. Junkertown Queen is possible, but I personally think Hammond quashed that. Sanjay and Maximilien are probable.

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:47 AM

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There’s Sanjay, possibly Maximilion ( I doubt it), the members shown on the recall list and there’s other Omnic units

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Those are the main ones I can think of

valid shell Dec 22, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Definitely not the people pictured in Recall.

dire timber Dec 22, 2018, 12:47 AM

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the recall list is meaningless imho

pliant sparrow Dec 22, 2018, 12:47 AM

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shhhhh