It seemed like they couldn't penetrate his shield
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
reef thicket
if he truly does have shields they should've made it much more apperant
instead of making it look like hes covered in plot armour
xD
frosty shell
I doubt that they're supposed to be shields, though
probably just weird animation
Doomfist does parry some of Genji's slashes with his fist, though
worthy rose
yes, it seems like not everything lands though
reef thicket
unless genji is retarded
and aiming for his fist
aka probably the most armoured part of his body
worthy rose
I will punch you...in the FIST
worthy rose
wtf this is unfair
frosty shell
Tracer's shots don't even give off a puff when they hit Doomfist
reef thicket
i wish that fight ended in doomfist winning
just to make him look THAT more powerful
taking down 3 OW agents
worthy rose
He took down two
reef thicket
or well.. injuring them heavily.. obviously he cant kill because pLoT aRmOur
frosty shell
Well, we knew from the cinematic trailer that Doomfist would lose
worthy rose
meanwhile, doomfist is mediocre
frosty shell
Genji didn't aim for the fist, Doomfist blocked with his fist
reef thicket
how did winston get tracer back to normal anyways
didnt doomfist like
rip her chrono thing off
and destroy it
worthy rose
He probably had a spare in case something like this happened
worthy rose
I mean, if you have an important person on life support, you would have a failsafe
worthy rose
shhhh
frosty shell
probably the same way they got her into the accelerator the first time
worthy rose
^
frosty shell
When Winston first built it
interesting theory: maybe Genji is reflecting Tracer's shots?
reef thicket
idek how he got it down the first time
LMFAO
AHAHAHA
that would've been funny af
worthy rose
when you realize genji was actually evil
reef thicket
Tracer: GENJI STOP DEFLECTING MY SHOTS KILL DOOMFIST"
Genji: E button mash intensifies "Madda Madda"
worthy rose
ROFL
frosty shell
Reflecting Tracer's shots at Doomfist
limpid agate
Picture if yall want it
reef thicket
they are trying to defeat doomfist with confusion
reef thicket
doomfist has a very nice ear
frosty shell
What's that the picture of
limpid agate
Doomfist's shield
worthy rose
tracer shooting doomfist's shield
frosty shell
or what looks like Doomfist's shield
worthy rose
So DF also has an OP shield
reef thicket
on the outside of his body
worthy rose
yes
reef thicket
or on his skin
limpid agate
Outside
reef thicket
oh
worthy rose
probably part of the fist
reef thicket
i always thought it was a shield that tightly knit around his skin
frosty shell
It could still just be an animation choice
frosty shell
We can't quite tell
reef thicket
doomfist is probably the most scary enemy in OW tbf
he seems extremely powerful
probably the most powerful in talon
also on the note of talon is there actually a leader for talon
like top dog
worthy rose
yeah, probably above reapster
reef thicket
or is it just a council
worthy rose
I think it is
reef thicket
we know people like moira reaper etc are reffered to as "Talons inner council"
frosty shell
I think it's just a council
frosty shell
I don't think so
Doomfist is one of the more powerful members due to his physical power but I don't think Talon has one leader
worthy rose
moira probably isn't in talon
reef thicket
Ows logic: Reaper and Moira kill an army of talon in retribution
few years later they are leading it
worthy rose
Reaper at the time was keeping cover
in blackwatch
Probably rich dude broke off from the main talon council
So Reyes goes supposedly to bust him, but actually assassinate the rogue talon leader
then fights his way through rich dude's loyalists on the way out
frosty shell
We don't know if Reaper was part of Talon during that time
Here Tracer does seem to land a shot on DF, and does nothing
worthy rose
DF has MuScLeS
worthy rose
also, that hit on the gauntlet facing the other way
reef thicket
nice animation
the way he uses the fist in that cinematic aswell is like
weird
idk to me it just looks very.. idk
unimpactful
it looks like he gently punches them and they go flying across the city
worthy rose
the whole rocket punch wind-up is for game balance
frosty shell
It wouldn't be surprising if Doomfist does in fact have bulletproof skin or something
worthy rose
true
reef thicket
yeah but
frosty shell
Tracer's bullets probably can't pierce armor then
reef thicket
it would've been cooler if there was some sorta effect when punching them
like a shockwave or something
idfk
worthy rose
yeah
frosty shell
It feels like Doomfist must have had contacts on the outside
worthy rose
ofc
reef thicket
its so annoying to see if doomfist has shields or not
since tracers shit is all
blue
frosty shell
Reaper seems to know Doomfist pretty well
reef thicket
and shields are also.... blue
frosty shell
And Tracer's blink and her bullets both have the same color
reef thicket
exactly
and she blinks like 50 times
so u cant tell if its a shield or her fuckin trailer
trail
ffs
want to make a gif of doomfist punching someone to show what i mean but my fucking gyazo wont work
can someone with trusted post this
his punch doesnt look very idk.. hard xD
rugged carbon
Yay
worthy rose
that actually does look pretty hard
reef thicket
told u
worthy rose
It could use more effects tho
subtle moss
reef thicket
were blizzard embracing the fact that everyones gonna meme about doomfist being one punch man
so they made him an anime
either that or its because of how the story trailers are usually done
like the storytrailers are basically slideshows of still imgs
or not so much still moving a bit and maybe things coming in and out of frame etc
i couldn't see a full on doomfist fight with that animation style tbf
worthy rose
Hai
reef thicket
hi
languid otter
was poppin b
reef thicket
i have a question @limpid agate you seem to be the most knowledgeable person here about lore
limpid agate
Yes, what is your question
reef thicket
why did the doomfist legacy suddenly turn a 180
the first doomfist was the saviour of numbani
limpid agate
We dont know
limpid agate
Its possible that the Scourge defeated the Saviour, and took the title for himself
reef thicket
hm
limpid agate
Just like Akande did ~7 years ago, give or take a year
reef thicket
did the first doomfist even have a gauntlet
isnt there a poster of him in the numbani museum that just shows him with like
knuckledusters or whatever they are called
i forgot
limpid agate
Yeah, knuckledusters
reef thicket
maybe a gauntlet was made from the scrouge of numbani
which is why he defeated the saviour
seems like a reasonable explemation
limpid agate
You mean to suggest the Scourge's gauntlet was made from the Savior's knuckleduster?
Not a bad suggestion, given what we have seen with Akande. The weird part is that the Scourge was left handed.
reef thicket
well
limpid agate
Even though its supposed to be the same glove somehow
reef thicket
no but that could work
i meant
maybe the scrouge just.. made a gauntlet because he wanted to defeat the saviour of numbani then took the title for himself
limpid agate
Maybe
reef thicket
maybe he did use the knuckleduster baseline but
i dont see why
its a knuckleduster its tiny
unless he built around it because its sorta a legacy weapon idk
the saviours dusters were probably known since the saviour was such a big name
dawn knot
i personally think it's more of an honour thing
as doomfist has a white gauntlet himself, that is not the doomfist gauntlet
honour can be placed above practicality at times, especially within certain criminal groups
reef thicket
i wonder how doomfist killed the scourge of numbani
wasnt he in possession of the more powerful gauntlet
worthy rose
probably?
reef thicket
i thought the talon thing only came with akande
worthy rose
I'm not sure, he probably wasn't the founder, and there were evil people before him
peak escarp
Akinjide Adeyemi was in Talon
he's mentioned during Retribution as one of the people who might replace Antonio
timid eagle
I assumed that the gauntlet, like the title, is “pass down”. Obviously, the gauntlet has changed, but I like to think the Scourge had taken the knuckleduster and used it as the base for the Gauntlet..
Same goes when Akande “retired” his mentor and made modifications to the gauntlet.
timid eagle
I’m more curious about Akande’s Talon skin and that was the prototype for the current Doomfist gauntlet.
reef thicket
wasnt that a different gauntlet?
because we see him with that skin in the picture with the scourge
or well u seeh is upper body ish
but u can obviously tell its the talon skin with his warpaint and shaved head etc
timid eagle
True.
reef thicket
and another thing is that the gauntlet was bronze/gold
if it truly is the gauntlet in dooms talon skin why is it white?
and why would he change it back to gold after he becomes the doomfist we know him as today
what did the scourge of numbani actually do though
did he just terrorize numbani all day?
dire timber
Akande seems to have made a replica that he used before he came into possession of Ayedemi's gauntlet
worthy rose
We also have to look at that weird tiny gauntlet at the museum. What was that all about and how is it related to DF?
peak escarp
tiny?
the design changed, but the cinematic trailer was made 3 years before Doomfist was put into the game
it's natural that it would have gone through some design revisions after all that time
what I wouldn't give for an up-to-date remake of that original cinematic with corrected character models and background art
peak escarp
Twitter
worthy rose
Ah. That explains that.
valid shell
Another reason why I think his company is called Apex.
reef thicket
Didnt onepunch kids brother break the gauntlet though
After using it on widowmaker
It was like falling apart
limpid agate
It was presumably repaired
solid pawn
hello!
timber forum
HIIII
regal coyote
I think the Doomfist title fight might be done with or without the gauntlet though.
I think of it as something like how you get in fundam fight God Gundam going against Master Asia.
So yeah it is a proud and wodnerful moment either way
coarse urchin
Seems he didn't even need "the" doom fist
Just make a better one in your fricking garage
west wraith
@reef thicket yeah
It was impressive for that older kid to have been able to use it though. It's funny how it looks bigger on doomfist than it did on the kid.
weary turtle
One size fits all Get yours from the local supermarket
And when the kid "broke" the gauntlet it just seems to me like theres no hand (or gravitational field) to keep it in a fist
reef thicket
Idk maybe
Cinematic makes it seems the kid broke it more than it disabling tbf
Stupid kids amiright
Its weirs how different tracer looks in that cinematic than she does ingane / other things shes seen in
On the topic do we know what happened to those kids later on
Are they in lore or anything or just in the cinematic
coarse urchin
I would love for them to become hero 30
Their story arc would be getting the doom fist back and setting things right as the new fists of doom
reef thicket
Lmao
valid shell
Fuck no.
dire timber
like other said, it's not happening
inland lichen
the first cinematic doesnt mean anything
reaper shot grenades out of his guns
its not a good reference
reef thicket
I MEAN
gameplay doesnt mean canon
reaper could have some sort of explosives
i mean he has shotgun shells on his person
and as we all know he never reloads xD
reaper should get a rework and get some more mist related abilites
reaper ingame compared to things he does in lore
is boring af
for example like torb
how his rework made him more able to get in there and fight instead of afk hammering a turret
his new rework is much more like he was in lore than he was ingame
valid shell
(I would love for Reaps to get smoke grenades on his RMB.)
inland lichen
oh yeah agreed reap needs a rework
atleast for his e
i want it to be some sort of engage
or anything
e just needs to be differ
valid shell
I know I started it, but this isn't the channel for that.
frosty shell
Tracer and other characters look different in the first cinematic because they hadn't finalized the character models yet
grim jacinth
@reef thicket they just need to make sombra like in the lore now, a computer
zealous spade
So, does anyone think the little girl from Inflitration is an old photo of Zarya?
even though she has a different surname than Katya, her parents could be devorced
zealous spade
but, the boop is a reference from another photo of Katya's desk, Katya boops the little girl
so, sombra knows her personal life
zealous spade
yea
peak escarp
Sombra booped Katya because she saw the picture
it doesn't have anything to do with Zarya
limpid agate
@zealous spade The little girl is not Zarya.
The little girl is Katya's daughter in the present day.
Zarya is unrelated to Katya Volskaya
And youre right about the boop just being Sombra teasing her
worthy rose
if the girl was Zarya, then we'd really be in trouble
zealous spade
yea
tranquil mist
Katya Volskaya is such a cool name
cinder zenith
Overwatch has bad lore btw
peak escarp
how is it bad?
limpid agate
@cinder zenith If you want to make a discussion, feel free. Otherwise, dont waste time posting a comment and then leaving.
Because there are points I both agree and disagree.
worthy rose
A question.
Was Genji still an assassin after Overwatch was recalled?
I assume not.
limpid agate
Overwatch being Recalled is one of the most recent events
Our only knowledge of post Recall Genji is:
Draongs Cinematic
He spent Christmas in Nepal with Zen and wrote Mercy a letter
peak escarp
we don't really know what he did after leaving Overwatch, aside from the vague "wandering"
crisp grotto
So idk if it's known but what happened to Tracer after her fighting Widow Maker in Kings Row ?
Her chronal accelerator seemed damaged so maybe some danger in there as well
(Talking about the animated short called Alive)
limpid agate
@crisp grotto After Alive, she got it fixed and was fine
We've seen her after Alive, in Reflections
Also the cinematic trailer
In the museum
dire timber
oof
reading up the last few hours in this chat gave me brain damage
@zealous spade the little girl is obviously just Volskaya's daughter, why would that be Zarya, she looks nothing like Zarya
@cinder zenith shitposting will result in loss of access
regal coyote
well, daughter or at least vols treated her as a daughter
coral patrol
:tright:
plush moth
hajimaa
somber sentinel
just a question . Do all the shorts happen really close after overwatch gets recalled except maybe shooting star last bastion and hero? or is my concept of whats happening really off?
trail moss
is hanzo gay?
worthy rose
スプライトクランベリー It seems like most or all of them are shortly after the recall
iron plume
most shorts are close to recall, but not necessarily after
Alive is before
as for Hanzo's sexuality, we don't know it
worthy rose
@trail moss There hasn't been any evidence either way
trail moss
the state of rapid fire arrow would say otherwise
iron plume
less shitposting please
worthy rose
???
somber sentinel
something i wonder about is when dragons takes place as genji says that the world is changing once more and he then leaves with presumably talon. Does this mean genji knows about the recall?
iron plume
He knows about the recall
and it's presumed he's going to answer it
which is what he's talking with Hanzo about
he's definitely not with Talon
he may be with new Overwatch
worthy rose
he doesn't have any particular reason to be with them, his color palette says otherwise, and he doesn't have any voicelines going either way with talon members.
somber sentinel
the way he left though confuses me as he leaves with a effect similar to reapers teleport
worthy rose
smoke bomb + ninja
iron plume
it's just a stealth effect
iron plume
which one? Wikia is trash
worthy rose
and he wasn't experimented on by Moira, so there would be no way for him to get smokey
also, it isn't his schtick
this one i think
https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Tracer
it's here on the story section
iron plume
yeah i see the news referencing it
iron plume
yeah this is placed by the news report
they're all around the same time except for the flashback ones
somber sentinel
since sombra has a personal agenda she will most likely sit with the side fitting her agenda which might involve switching right?
worthy rose
probably not outright switching
somber sentinel
i know kinda feeding both sides
worthy rose
but maybe selling information
dire timber
@somber sentinel Reunion, Honor and Glory, Rise and Shine, and Dragons all take place after Recall
Hero is implied to take place the same night as Dragons
worthy rose
honor and glory? some of it takes place after
dire timber
I mean the present day part
worthy rose
alive takes place after recall, a few hours
dire timber
the flashback is obviously decades in the past
dire timber
mhmn
wait, hold on
Alive was just hours after Recall?
now that I think if it, it puts things into perspective
when Tracer received the call, she was still in London
so she hasn't met up with Winston yet at the time
so, while Winston and Reaper were licking their wounds
Tracer and Widowmaker were already fighting
iron plume
yeah
dire timber
nope
iron plume
the implication is that talon attacks on two fronts
worthy rose
really? I coulda sworn it was in there
https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Tracer
it's here on the story section
it states that alive occurred a few hours after recall
https://blizzardwatch.com/2016/04/24/know-lore-overwatchs-ongoing-story/
i believe this is the reference
dire timber
I never heard that mention of Mondatta's speech in Recall, honestly
worthy rose
there's barely anything to talk about related to lore anymore since the lore is so slow
iron plume
same
dire timber
I'll have to hunt for it someday
iron plume
i think it's the muffled part at https://youtu.be/sB5zlHMsM7k?t=88
either way it's iffy
dire timber
@iron plume nope, that's not it
I think it could be what she says after that "but I do miss the old days"
but I can't tell
I'll give it another try tomorrow
peak escarp
Hero is implied to happen the same night as Dragons?
I don't remember seeing anything that indicates they happen at the same time
Dragons has blooming cherry blossoms, so it should happen in April/May
Hero has Los Muertos setting up for the Nov 1st riot, so it should happen late October
the only shorts confirmed to happen at the same are Recall and Rise and Shine
reef thicket
@worthy rose he has voicelines aswellwith doomfist asking him to join talon and hanzo denying the offer saying "no i'll find my own path"
he doesnt really have any interaction with overwatch members apart from maybe genji but thats because its his brother
but uh.. if anything did happen in OW universe where characters had to be placed on sides he'd more than likely be put on OW 's side
hanzo doesnt really seem like a terrorist to me :'
:' )
worthy rose
yes, he's not evil
dense estuary
Hanzo is merely part of a crime family, raw evil is bad for business.
worthy rose
ok so who caused the omnic crisis
this is what the lore does not expand upon
OW lore is so slow lol
worthy rose
like who was behind it
reef thicket
on their own
worthy rose
you sure
reef thicket
and were like "fuck the humans"
worthy rose
interesting
valid shell
@worthy rose We don't know yet.
limpid agate
@worthy rose The Omnic Crisis is still a mystery
We don't know why they awakened
And its a mystery in universe too
The world doesnt know why it happened either
reef thicket
valid shell
@reef thicket ??
reef thicket
nothing
i still want
orisa to get an OR14 skin
she has null sector but i mean
like the ones from the omnic crisis / honor and glory cinematic
orange and black paint + red eyes
regal coyote
Hero does nto happen the same time as Dragon, if only for timezone reaons
Granted it happens after recall msot likely, and is close probably
Dragon happens supposedly at the (fake) deathday of genji
dense estuary
One of my theories behind the crisis is something possibly related to the execs of Omnica
Even if it was not an action that was approved by the board it only takes one CCE to cause a shitstorm
I have pondered that what Junkrat has for treasure is a data drive found in the rubble of the nuked Omnium in the outback and on said drive is information related to the crisis that certain people do not wish to become public. Being how much JR loves monies, I am pretty sure if that treasure is a drive and he knew that kinda info was on it he would sell it to the highest bidder at the drop of a grenade.
inland lichen
worthy rose
That actually makes way too much sense
I don't think the Russian omnium necessarily started the first omnic crisis
ofc it is true that the treasure is too big to carry around
regal coyote
@limpid agate the night dragon happens, it is the supposedly deathday of genji, as hanzo would have thought
in asia culture you celebrate birthday soemtimes, but you also celebrate/honor deathdeay of a dead person
hence hanzo visit every year on genji's death day for ritual.
and genji knows that, and he camp for him.
limpid agate
Oh you meant the anniversary of his death
regal coyote
unless it is coincident that recall happens on the same day, then recall would have happened a little bit before the dragon event
limpid agate
I thought you meant the actual day he died 9 years ago
regal coyote
yes, but that would be a long name for it
limpid agate
And got really confused
regal coyote
I do understand both have relatively full moon
so i would say in a month or so
that would give genji to travel also
I mean unless genji is coincidently in japan in the same area, he annot have responded within hours of that
and get to the spot to meet hanzo
worthy rose
This is just so interesting 😱
peak escarp
full moons don't mean they happen at the same time
there are 12 full moons every year
limpid agate
But as a literary convention
Theyre used to mean its the same time
Although we've never seen them draw a non-full moon
Could just be a better asset
peak escarp
full moons make nighttime scenes look brighter
bronze minnow
idek what this about lol
peak escarp
without having to put lights everywhere
with the other context clues it doesn't make sense for them to be set during the same night
limpid agate
There is no reason for Dragons and Hero to be different nights or the same
Hero is a detatched event
dense estuary
well that depends on how transit works in OW. Maybe Earth to Earth BFR exists in Overwatch. Genji could be to any major city in 45min from another major city then.
regal coyote
it is a sorta detatched event
with more likely dragon is after recall
where genji mention of "take a side" may refer to that
dire timber
@reef thicket Hanzo could join Talon if really pressured into it
but he'd not be willing to join under normal circumstances
@worthy rose the Omnic Crisis began with the omniums reactivating all over the world
and no individual military was able to defeat the omnics on its own
which is why Overwatch was formed
it was a secret strike team at the time, that only consisted of Jack, Gabriel, Ana, Torbjorn and Reinhardt
Overwatch found a way to permanently pacify the omniums, possibly render them non-hostile
with exception for the Siberian omnium, which was crippled by Russian forces
regal coyote
actually we dont know if Gabe's strike team is the only one of its kind at the time
and that, the original includes a mystery liao
though gabe's team is the basis for overwatch yes.
dire timber
@regal coyote uh, I'm pretty sure we do know that
reef thicket
@dire timber yes just get Moira on hanzo.. i mean look what she did to widowmaker 👌
dire timber
nah, I don't mean anything like that
regal coyote
well, as long as doomie is able to convince hanzo that joining talon gives him a good purpose
hanzo is searching for his purpose right
worthy rose
@reef thicket We don't actually know if Moira did that to Widow. Moira probably wasn't even in Talon, considering that she is now at Oasis instead of at some Talon base.
reef thicket
idk
she has interaction with widow saying
"How are you feeling Lacroix"
"I don't feel, thats the point isnt it?"
worthy rose
Hmmm
reef thicket
it is also rumored that she was secretly with talon
even when she was in blackwatch
worthy rose
If Moira did that to Widow, then why is she at Oasis?
reef thicket
no clue
worthy rose
This raises even more interesting questions
worthy rose
That's the point, it causes my opponents to become distracted during arguments 😉
reef thicket
lmao
worthy rose
Anyway, we need to think of a plausible reason for Moira to go to Oasis, even when she is part of Talon.
peak escarp
Moira is probably at Oasis because they have the resources to allow her to continue her experiments
Talon doesn't seem very scientifically minded
worthy rose
But Talon has resources, and even less morals.
As long as whatever she's working on can be turned into a weapon, it's probably fine with them
peak escarp
Oasis was founded by a brilliant collective of eight of the world's leading scientists, led by Ibrahim Hassoun, Anya Al-Shahrani, Youssef al-Jabiri, and Mehmet Farhat. Their dream was to build a city ruled by scientific principle, where research and innovation could occur without restrictions. It is the world's foremost technocracy and boasts one of the most highly educated populations in the world.
Moira was invited to be a part of that
worthy rose
I don't think they'd like the kind of human experimentation that created Reaper and Widow though
regal coyote
you never know
peak escarp
After Overwatch was disbanded, O'Deorain was forced to turn to unconventional sources of funding. This time, she was invited to join the scientific collective that had founded the city of Oasis. Yet some have whispered that the shadowy Talon organization had already been supporting her for years, aiding her experiments in exchange for utilizing the results for their own purposes.
worthy rose
What if Talon has a presence in Oasis?
Or Oasis is actually a cover for a massive Talon base?
Which would make sense of the Oasis map, with Overwatch finding out and attacking it
Moira went to Oasis because she was secretly with Talon, but they could only give her limited resources wherever she was without attracting suspicion.
peak escarp
so far there isn't any link between Oasis and Talon aside from Moira
regal coyote
there is no need to be any link
worthy rose
The indian corporation, forgot the name, seems to be pretty shady
if there's one big bad, it's Talon
terse oak
Vishkar
regal coyote
oasis dont care as long as moira is doing her research there and nor building a talon thing
dont think talon would build in oasis
i mean, oasis have many brilliant powers behind it from all the researchers, it is soemthing not talon would want to fuck with
worthy rose
Or maybe Talon wanted that power for itself, so they took it over
Oasis certainly isn't a military power
dire timber
@worthy rose Moira is responsible for Widowmaker's altered physilogy
and she is implied to have worked with Talon even before Retribution
and what is the issue with Moira living in Oasis?
it seems you're seeing a contradiction that isn't there
while it is public knowledge that she worked for Blackwatch, it is not public knowledge that she's working with Talon
quaint ice
will the overwatch story continue? Like for example will blizzard reveal on which side hanzo will be or something like that?
peak escarp
of course the story will continue
will Hanzo pick a side? maybe not
he doesn't seem like he needs to pick a side
worthy rose
@dire timber The point I was trying to make was that Moira would not have needed to go to Oasis unless, for some reason, her Talon support was not enough.
dire timber
I mean, it's a city founded by scientists, for scientists
while Talon might offer her some resources and test subjects, it hardly has the same kind of access to knowledge
worthy rose
But I don't think the top people at Oasis would like Moira's experiments
dire timber
it doesn't offer her the opportunities to interact with other scientists, shate observations and conclusions
worthy rose
Especially Widow, if they knew
dire timber
why not? science without boundaries is the founding principle of Oasis
they knew that her work was... controversial
worthy rose
But without morality at all?
peak escarp
Their dream was to build a city ruled by scientific principle, where research and innovation could occur without restrictions.
they don't seem bothered by morality
they do science for science's sake
worthy rose
Also, I just realized that they might not know about her experimentation for Talon with Reyes and Lacroix
dire timber
yep
they don't know about her connection to Talon
well, maybe there are some individuals who do know
but if they do, then they keep quiet about it
worthy rose
Actually, Oasis might be a convenient, legitimate place for Talon to stash their scientists
dire timber
Oasis is its own thing
I don't think they'd endorse Talon per se
but they could easily sweep some things under the rug
it would be a shame to lose such a brilliant scientist, after all
worthy rose
Not made for it, but it would be relatively easy for some "contraversial" scientists to find a safe haven in Oasis.
dire timber
well, Moira is exactly that
she was controversial from the start
it's made pretty clear in her bio and in her origin story
worthy rose
But there have got to be other Talon researchers and developers
dire timber
there could be a couple
worthy rose
Whoever turned the DF gauntlet from the museum version to the in-game one, for a start
dire timber
I don't think there's many of them, though
worthy rose
True
dire timber
um, that would be Doomfist himself
worthy rose
You sure? I don't recall if DF has a background in mechanical engineering
dire timber
well, I mean, he was a heir to a prosthetic company
tepid coyote
Howdy
dire timber
and the way those kinds of things work in fiction
he likely has some engineering skills to go with it
worthy rose
Maybe
I don't think he's both a world-renowned MMA fighter and an amazing engineer too
peak escarp
A highly intelligent and charismatic figure, Ogundimu helped to expand his family's business and position it for the future while dedicating his free time to his first love: competitive martial arts.
if Akande himself didn't modify the gauntlet, then he'd have employees who could do it
worthy rose
It makes more sense to me to have someone else do the upgrades
although DF himself might have been able to do it
dire timber
he probably retains some control over his company through a puppet CEO
peak escarp
or his family still runs it
dire timber
he still has any?
peak escarp
he could
it doesn't say they're dead
he's 45, it's plausible his parents/siblings could still be around
I'm sure a lot of heroes have family around that we don't know about
Mr and Mrs Morrison probably still have a farm in Indiana and think their son died a hero
iron plume
what
the average lifespan in developed places is 80+ and it's only getting higher
why would a 50 year old not have parents
frosty shell
Maximum human lifespan probably won't rise that much
But 50 year-old character might still have parents
Of course, there could be enough future tech to make death by old age less likely
limpid agate
Doomfist's parents may or may not be alive
But it doesnt have much of an impact either way
If they're 80
They're retired
Akande runs the company, or someone else now
frosty shell
how many confirmed deaths by old age are there in Overwatch lore? Closest I can think of is Sojiro Shimada, and even he we don't know 100% for sure
limpid agate
Thats it
reef thicket
talking about age
isnt
genji kindof like
immortal
since his body is mostly robotic?
i mean he could obviously die from people / other things but aging?
limpid agate
No
Not at all
He still has a lot of human organs
Like the heart and brain
Its just his limbs that are cybernetic
That would be like saying, if I chop off your arms and legs, staple your stomach, and give you new ones, you're now immortal.
reef thicket
oh
christ how much damage did hanzo do to genji
he uses a bow not a sword either..
limpid agate
Hanzo used the sword
limpid agate
He abandonned it out of shame when she nearly sliced Genji in half.
reef thicket
"she"
hanzo is a girl confirmed
👌 kidding but ah
seems counter productive
trying to kill his brother then feeling bad about it
limpid agate
Im sensing you didnt read his bio at all
Upon the death of his father, the clan elders instructed Hanzo to straighten out his wayward younger brother so that he, too, might help rule the Shimada empire. When his brother refused, Hanzo was forced to kill him. This act broke Hanzo's heart and drove him to reject his father's legacy, ultimately leading him to abandon the clan and all that he had worked so hard to attain.
reef thicket
...
so hanzo followed his leaders orders to straighten out genji
didnt work
so he killed genji because of it
BUT THEN felt bad about it and abandoned his fathers shit anyways?
frosty shell
Killing your brother is a lot worse than failing to sway him
dawn knot
yes but it's
a crime family
one with a strict honour code no less
so i can imagine how he was
compelled to do such a thing
dire timber
I'm still not sure what is it that made them fight
dawn knot
like, huh?
peak escarp
what
dawn knot
anyways i'm very certain it was
the honour
genji was living this lavish lifestyle with his
father's money
and he was also probably a bit of a brat
considering that's usually the type that does that
dire timber
@worthy rose stop shitposting
peak escarp
@worthy rose what does that have to do with Overwatch lore?
dawn knot
and hanzo as the older brother
had to put a stop to it
i'm also near certain it says so somewhere in the lore
what the exact reason is
pretty sure it's along those lines
peak escarp
the elders wanted Genji to settle down and help run the family business
Genji didn't want to
so they told Hanzo to make Genji fall in line (probably "by any means necessary")
reef thicket
<@&397922982632226816>
spring kelp
@worthy rose Please stop
obtuse star
Last warning
dire timber
@dawn knot I just don't understand what would turn scolding a lazy brother into a deadly fight
limpid agate
@dire timber Pressure from the elders, Hanzo having too much ambition until he struck down his brother, leaving him with thoughts of "Oh god what have I done"
Perhaps
reef thicket
i forgot the term people used for what he was like
limpid agate
A playboy
dire timber
I'd like some kind of comic for that, honestly
reef thicket
hanzo and genji are completely different, Hanzo is super serious Genji: is a meme / playboy
peak escarp
Hanzo seems a little hot tempered, maybe he got carried away
reef thicket
so u can tell theres a load of differences there
that could end in a bad argument
and yeah waht doctor said
hanzo does seem like a dick
worthy rose
and then it ended in "don't try it genji, I have the high ground"
dire timber
@peak escarp maybe he threatened Genji with his sword, Genji retaliated, and that made Hanzo lose control
reef thicket
especially considering hes still a dick to genji after realising hes alive
in dragons
peak escarp
or Genji said "I'll straighten out if you beat me in a fight"
that's stretching things a bit
dire timber
that would not turn lethal
reef thicket
^
if it was like that hanzo would've stopped wayy before actually doing SERIOUS damage
although like doctor said again
hotheaded
he could've gotten carried away and kept going
peak escarp
the damage on Hanamura indicates at least one of Hanzo's attacks was from behind
dire timber
like I said, I think it Hanzo threatening Genji with his sword – telling him that the Shimada clan could not tolerate such a burden
reef thicket
doesnt help that genji seems like the one to taunt an opponent in a fight
dire timber
the threat was serious, but he didn't actually want to hurt Genji
reef thicket
that stacked with hanzo being a hothead
on the subject of genji.. does anyone know why genjis eyes are red in his retribution skin
and or why all of his body suddenly changes
into the default skin
peak escarp
Genji is really cocky in the game, but that seems counter to how he's characterized as being at peace and very centered
reef thicket
from blackwatch
worthy rose
upgrades
reef thicket
he goes from still showing skin / hair to
dire timber
it's like, he threatened Genji without considering the scenario of having to follow up on that threat
reef thicket
completely covered
dire timber
then Genji unseathed his own sword
and kinda... swiftly pushed Hanzo's blade away with it
I do think that kind of scenario could escalate into a fight
with Hanzo furious at being ignored, and more or less engaged
and Genji being too cocky to actually try getting Hanzo to stop
thinking that he can totally try and disarm him, knock that blade out of Hanzo's hands
peak escarp
turns out Genji was the one who got dis-armed XD
dire timber
oof
peak escarp
too soon?
valid shell
I wouldn't want Genji to have the upper hand or just be toying with Hanzo if we ever see their duel, looking at how Dragons went.
peak escarp
I think Genji would have been fighting for his life
dire timber
it wouldn't be toying with Hanzo
peak escarp
literally
dire timber
hmmn, maybe I phrased it badly
valid shell
Hanzo's explicitly the superior swordsman at that time.
dire timber
I know, that's the point
dire timber
I think it is important for Genji not to understand the seriousness of the situation
reef thicket
at the time
peak escarp
it's a popular fan theory that Genji was Sojiro's favourite, so all of Hanzo's frustration about that came out during the fight - thoughts on that?
dire timber
while also trying his hardest to show himself better than Hanzo
so yes, Hanzo is still the superior swordsman
it's just that where Hanzo would act out of passion, Genji would just try to prove himself more skilled than his brother
and fail
peak escarp
so you're saying Genji's overconfidence and competitveness were his downfall?
dire timber
it would be only "holding back", in the sense that dealing a fatal blow wouldn't be Genji's goal
but yeah
he would be too cocky, too confident that he could beat his brother in a swordfight
that he wouldn't realize the danger of that situation until it's too late
peak escarp
its unknown
peak escarp
it probably takes a different form based on what weapon you use
peak escarp
no
dire timber
nope
dire timber
I used to think it was canon for Junkenstein
reef thicket
hm
dire timber
but that got debunked with new 2018 voice lines
peak escarp
only Classic, Casual are confirmed canon, and Scion is plausible canon
dire timber
Young Hanzo and Young Genji are canon
dire timber
while Young Master and Sparrow use canon color palettes from the time when they were kids
see: Archives sprays
peak escarp
reef thicket
ah
peak escarp
wasn't great
peak escarp
I'd like to see/get casual outfits for more heroes
peak escarp
although I'm convinced McCree only owns one outfit
reef thicket
blackwatch
??
i mean hes no longer in it obviously but
its still another canon outfit
peak escarp
I'm talking present day
dire timber
@peak escarp how does McCree even get by
he seems to be wandering about without any luggage
peak escarp
he's hobo trash
dire timber
what about Soldier? he does have some stuff, doesn't he?
peak escarp
his bio says his "base if operations" is in New Mexico, so maybe he's got a bunker there or something
dire timber
they had a bunch of it all over Necropolis
dire timber
v. inconspicuous
dire timber
nobody will ever be able to tell his true identity
reef thicket
or something
dire timber
@reef thicket Ana and Jack are camping there
peak escarp
probably stole them back when he stole the pulse rifle
his camp
across the map from where Ana sleeps, because he's too immature to bunk with her
dire timber
I find it amusing how the pulse rifle just happened to match his mask, which just happened to match his jacket, which just happened to match his SEP number
tepid coyote
Hi
worthy rose
He wouldn't look very charismatic in mismatched gear, so the universe aligned for that to work
reef thicket
what solider skins are actually canon
other than default
and strike commander morrison
or is that it
dawn knot
i think if we don't see the skin in comics/shorts/etc
it isn't canon
even if it represents something the character does/is/used to do
also man immature?
like i totally would not want like
my wife sleeping w some like
idk man i feel like there are a lot of complications there
i shouldn't be getting into this ngl
reef thicket
what about
anas merciful skin
it has flavour text or whatever u call iti n overwatch
but i dont remember it in any comics
dawn knot
yeah that's a representative skin
it's what i like to call skins that aren't canon, but are "more" canon than others
which is pretty much any skin with a description
because it represents a story element, but isn't a part of the story itself
dire timber
@reef thicket flavor text is meaningless
the text itself is canon
but it has absolutely no bearing on the canonicity of the skin it's attached to
Doomfist got a flavor text attached to his metal skins
so, basically the only thing canon about Ana's merciful skin
is her hair
reef thicket
ooh..
Oh yeah iron skin
i was wondering that
i was looking through his skins and was confused why the iron ones had text
was thinking theres no way that skin can be canon
frank furnace
Waiting for hero changes to be integrated into story
dawn knot
would they even do that?
limpid agate
@frank furnace Elaborate
If you mean balance changes, or shit like, Torb getting a new ult
Who cares.
Gameplay != Lore
Some abilities like Discord or Rez are not canon
some abilities like Scatter Arrow or Smoke Bomb arent gameplay
frank furnace
Just think it would be cool
peak escarp
@dawn knot as far as we know, Ana isn't married
dawn knot
i supose
but like she
has a daughter and
a person she mated with to produce that daughter
and that daughter visits
this person
and junk
though ngl yeah he'd probably still be distraught if his wife disappeared
though i have no idea how long a grief process like that lasts
nor how it would affect this specific person (being phara's dad)
so he could totally be happy
and if it wasn't his wife or wasn't at the moment
he'd probably be less sad
although idk what i'm getting into at this point
peak escarp
she's been missing/presumed dead for about 6 years
dawn knot
i'd still be sorta messed up
idk
i dont feel like ana is the kind of person to
like
not have a husband when she has kids
but there's always the possibility that they
divorced
peak escarp
there's a voice line in the game about Jack not sleeping near Ana
she says something like "we're both adults"
at least I thought there was
can't seem to find it now
peak escarp
not like that
valid shell
@plush moth ?
plush moth
?
worthy rose
I mean, it could be, but not much points for or against it, so burden of proof is on the yes side.
limpid agate
There is nothing to suggest Jack and Ana have a relationship
plush moth
idk man
They were close
may not have a relationship now, but they might have had a lil flingy fling fling in the past
before she had pharah
worthy rose
over 30 years ago*
limpid agate
Overwatch was created after Pharah was born
reef thicket
People joke about it alot but
Could reaoer actually be aucked into a vent?
Reaper*
worthy rose
is it true that blackwatch committed assassinations, torture, kidnapping, coercion and worse?
reef thicket
Not sure about coercion or tortue but
Reyes did kill the reespected beesnessmen in retribution
Although the original plan was to kidnap
limpid agate
@worthy rose We have seen assassination/kidnapping in Retribution
worthy rose
I can definitely see Reyes doing torture and coercion
how long had overwatch been disbanded when mei awoke from cryostasis?
she was in it for 9 years, so
I'd guess 3-5 years
according to various people it's 5 years
it says the recall signal woke her up
so essentially 4 years into cryo overwatch disbanded
so that means winston sent his signal after 5 years of overwatch being disbanded
interesting
another question, how old was tracer when overwatch disbanded?
she's currently 26, so it must have been disbanded 5 years ago
making her 21
worthy rose
chronologically she is 40
yes
tracer had 2-3 years of service in overwatch essentially
limpid agate
Tracer is 26 now, 21 when OW shut down, 19 when she became an agent
worthy rose
yeah
limpid agate
She was a pilot before she became an agent
limpid agate
Probably joined when she was 18
She was blinking in and out of existence for months, close to a year iirc
worthy rose
ofc time might just get weird for Tracer
worthy rose
Not wasted, pushed into the future
limpid agate
She didnt lose 9 years of life
worthy rose
so her body did not develop?
worthy rose
well
limpid agate
Her body is 31