I would be fine with that.
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
I just dont like how they look
Like, look at Arctic Soldier 76. I like that one
The event was never called Christmas. It was called Winter Wonderland.
worthy rose
anyone want to buy some lucio ohs?
limpid agate
Back to lore
dawn knot
why is winter even a wonderland
winter is flu season
perhaps there should be skins with those little
face masks
and travel wear
like
to get out of whatever cold place they're in
because that's where sickness thrives
for whatever reason
limpid agate
Winter Wonderland is a famous song. And flu season isn't the winter, its the fall.
And again
Back to lore
dawn knot
i wonder if they've come up with augmentations in that universe to prevent illnesses
i wonder if mercy's healing nanobiotics
reef thicket
i have to agree, the outfits they are putting on the heros dont really make sense at all.. its like zar has some weird furry helmet on.. Lucio is trying to be sonic (a fox), widow is.. ???????? idek some weird shitty pink outfit
reef thicket
mercys skin is good but is TOTALLY out of place iwth the other skins that came out
dawn knot
i wonder if it's even as effective as presented in game
it most likely is not ngl
probably injected with a lot of other supporting agents
maybe inhaled, but i'd imagine that wouldn't allow for maximum absorption
frosty shell
as Jewvia (i believe) likes to point out, the most we have confirmed of nanobiotics doing is helping Soldier have less pain
limpid agate
@reef thicket @dawn knot Im not going to repeat myself again
Back to lore
You want to talk about noncanon skins
GO to #overwatch
dawn knot
of course
i wonder when we'll see the next set of comics
what event is after winter again?
limpid agate
Archives is the latest possible next comic
peak escarp
yeah
dawn knot
cny?
limpid agate
Chinese New Year
peak escarp
Lunar New Year
dawn knot
ah those have pretty skins though
limpid agate
Its specifically the Chinese Lunar New Year
peak escarp
they call it after whatever zodiac year it is
limpid agate
That's Chinese.
peak escarp
so next year will be Year of the Pig
yes, I'm not disagreeing, just adding on
as much as I'd like to get another holiday comic, if they just show them gathering at the holidays it would mean another year passed without much happening
dawn knot
what was the latest event that occurred
peak escarp
which isn't really an issue since Blizzard isn't telling the story in order
dawn knot
mei's short, no?
peak escarp
most recent event in the timeline is Zarya finding Sombra
it happened after Orisa's creation, which happened after Masquerade
Mei's short would happen at the same time as Recall
Winston sending out his message is what woke her up
limpid agate
It wont
dawn knot
i mean there's gonna be a point where
literally every character
complete's their arc or dies
peak escarp
based on Blizzard's history of long-lived storytelling, Overwatch will have a long life
dawn knot
what next like
peak escarp
if they keep releasing heroes, it will never end
or they could give old characters new arcs
limpid agate
You cant say every character will complete their arc.
Fuckin
Street Fighter is 25 years old
And that aint close to tied up
dawn knot
i wonder how characters will age
limpid agate
They wont
dawn knot
well i understand but overwatch isn't street fighter
if they dont age then time doesn't exist?
i think blizzard is better than that
peak escarp
time is not stationary but the game exists in a specific time frame
limpid agate
So the ages on the website are not wholly accurate
Someone might be older or younger
dawn knot
oh of course, i dont expect them to update models with age or anything
but i wonder how age will affect certain characters in lore
limpid agate
It wont more than it already has
If you see something more aobut age
Its gonna be the same as what we already have
CHaracters being old
Rather than getting older
dawn knot
i know but in the future
when in game time
goes upwards of 10 years from now
characters are sure to look different, no?
limpid agate
That doesnt happen in most games like this
dawn knot
fair enough
i mean i'd imagine the lore would show it but
whatever
we don't know in the end i guess
i
am sure characters in wow have aged and perhaps died
due to age and other reasons
since it's initial launch
limpid agate
Not in a way that makes sense
limpid agate
Anduin was aged up 10 years in 2 expansions, which weren't 10 years apart.
Its timeline is almost as bad as Overwatch's
peak escarp
time in Overwatch does not progress at the same rate as the real world, nor does it progress linearly
limpid agate
Hopefully it gets paid PvE expansions, but I dobu tit
dire timber
@dawn knot time passing in real life ≠ time passing in-universe
dawn knot
i wonder if they would perhaps make a connected property that's just overwatch but farther even into the future, and as more lore comes out for both we can begin to connect the dots between the characters
peak escarp
the story has gone about 1 year in 3 years, and the stories we get jump around in the timeline
dawn knot
@dire timber i fully understand, and if it seemed like i didnt i was misunderstood
dire timber
we're not even done with the prologue
tbh
right now we're still in the "introducing individual heroes" phase
limpid agate
The most recent event we got was over a year ago
Masquerade -> Orisa being built -> Searching
The most recent events.
Reunion could have happened at any point after Recall.
dire timber
the single biggest thing to happen in the story will be the new Overwatch team banding together
dawn knot
^
worthy rose
What about widdow maker
peak escarp
what about her?
valid shell
@worthy rose ?
limpid agate
@heady fern Shitposting will result in a loss of access
tawny patio
I mean hopefully the prologue should end by next year 🤔 but I somehow doubt it
reef thicket
New hero for christmas
Please blizz
I wonder what hero 30 will be though
Blizz said it isnt echo shes coming later so
Probably just some random hero they made up like hammond again
coarse urchin
Hamid Failsal
Lost brother of Hammond
That instead of a round vehicle picked a fucking square
heavy stone
The fuck
dire timber
@coarse urchin shitposting will result in loss of access
dire timber
2018?
peak escarp
when did he say this?
if it was early in the year then they probably had plans for more lore but they were delayed for some reason
I said I was going to play more comp this season but that didn't happen - sometimes things get in the way of fulfilling promises
Jeff said the comics were put on hold for certain reasons that he didn't want to get into
reef thicket
quick play is basically comp at this point
peak escarp
it's not, but that's off topic
reef thicket
yeh
peak escarp
I don't recall Chu saying there would be more lore in 2018, but if he did then whatever plans they had didn't happen
reef thicket
we need more lore though
:/
the only event we got this year that gave decent amount of lore was retribution
which i didnt even get to play in because i didnt have ow at the time
peak escarp
Archives is always the only event that gives lore
it just didn't feel that way with Uprising because we had comics
reef thicket
well we need more than just archives then
!!
wish we had overwatch storymode
or something
they have already made story mode sorta things with retribution and uprising
both of those seemed like a campaign mission or something
but coop ofc
they should take archives and just make it into a storymode
instead of having like 1 lore moment every year
reef thicket
not here
charred peak
or how much damage equals 1% for zarya
peak escarp
@charred peak try Gamepedia
charred peak
its there thank you
dire timber
I wonder whether it would be a good idea to have Uprising and Retribution available throughout the entire year
so that players can always experience some of the lore stuff
peak escarp
I would enjoy it
reef thicket
i'd love for that to happen
especially if they made the skins from the events obtainable all year round
dire timber
nah, that wouldn't happen
the skins and the achievements would still only be available during the event
weary turtle
What about missions for non overwatch characters such as junkers
And do you think blizzard will ever do theme things (for example d.va and ana have wasteland skinns to go with junkers)
peak escarp
maybe not canon events
but if they get bored of the events they have, they could change it up with new themes
reef thicket
i was
curious
do the junkers know wrecking ball is a hamster
wait no i worded that wrong
do they know hammond is inside of wrecking ball
or just do they know wrecking ball is piloted by hammond
u sure?
whenever they refer to them its always wrecking ball
which we know is a different being
AI / Mech
never mention hammond
although i suppose they wouldn't know his name
idk
peak escarp
the general population in Junkertown doesn't know he's a hamster
some people probably do, like Bruce or the Queen, but they keep it secret
timid eagle
On a related note, I’m waiting for Junkrat’s reaction to discovering Wrecking Ball’s pilot is a hamster.
dire timber
he'd still be a fan
dire timber
yep
reef thicket
oh yeah
wtf
LOL
blizzard are so good at putting little details in these cinematics
but wait
when was wrecking ball crowned champion
wasnt junkrat kicked out of junkertown
reef thicket
ik
i still call them cinematics
do we know how hammond actually like
upgraded wrecking ball
his original WB was a junker themed mech
but then his default skin because the one thats alot more
how do u say it.. proffessional? clean? advanced?
peak escarp
peak escarp
then he used the money he won to upgrade it further
reef thicket
oh
i wonder if
roadhog knows of wrecking ball aswell
since wrecking ball is such a big name in the junkertown
peak escarp
probably
reef thicket
his junker skin should've been his default imo
since hammond seems to be more connected with junkertown than anything else
other than the lunar colony but he didnt make his mech there
valid shell
Nah. He's got his Lunar Colony and Junkertown legendary skins because they're relevant to his backstory, but he's a distinct unit now.
His streamlined personalized mech makes much more sense.
reef thicket
true
i wonder if his first version of the mech was actually used like he uses it now
going super fast flying around and smashing
or maybe it was more of a prototype version that mainly used its guns and ball form for mobility
not sure how big the junker arena is so moving around at high speeds might be difficult
if its not too big
on a side note his weaponry must be quite considerably powerful
considering he has 4 cannons
all shooting at once which is 80 bullets (20 per gun)
valid shell
Considering his tether was the primary carryover from escaping the moon, I'm sure he's always had it.
reef thicket
having it isnt the thing though
its if he activly used it while fighting in the junker arena
and if he did in what way? like he does in the present or possible some other way
who knows
like you said how his modern mech makes more sense for rolling around at high speeds etc than it did with his junker version
valid shell
You don't get the moniker "Wrecking Ball" by standing stationary and shooting.
reef thicket
true enough
though i still believe his junker mech was probably less effective in some way than his modern clean mech
like doctor six said, he got upgrades with the money he earned
so his mech was probably alot worse back then
valid shell
I'd think so.
Patchwork scrap metal pales in comparison to something purpose-built like his current mech.
reef thicket
exactly
christ
looking at that thing now
xD
it looks horrible af
is it just me that sees that mech as more of an egg shape?
prob just the artstyle messing with my head
dire timber
I wonder, when did Hammond build his current mech, anyway?
I presume he has left Junkertown since
but we don't really know what he's up to
limpid agate
Some time in the past decade
reef thicket
yeah ur right
what is hammond up to these days
in his story trailer at the end u see him in his new mech
but hes still at junkertown
peak escarp
he was on his way out of Junkertown
he's wandering the world, looking for adventure
maybe he'll look up Winston
reef thicket
he does have an interaction with him ingame
its short but
Winston: "Hammond?!" Hammond: SQUEAK
xD
but uhm i dont think hes still in junkertown because when playing him on that map the queen says something like "welcome back wrecking ball"
or "wrecking ball has returned to reclaim his title of champion"
insinuating that hammond did indeed leave or else she wouldnt be saying that
reef thicket
although these are all ingame interactions so im not sure how canon they are
hm
if only the lore would move foward
.>
OW lore in general i mean
maybe hammond is searching for winston
since they were like best buds on the lunar colony i believe
and hammond obviously knows winston is on earth
peak escarp
Winston wouldn't be that hard to find
the media has reported on activity at Watchpoint Gibraltar
it would make sense to look there first
reef thicket
yeah but how much does hammond know about overwatch
considering hes been in junkertown all these years
and the last moment hammond and winston were close was when winston was rocketing down to earth
and hammonds hook snapped
dire timber
they're unlikely to have any TV
they could have some radios though
and then knowledge of the outside world would be shared verbally
I'm sure most Junkers would know what Overwatch was
I'm sure plenty of them heard that it fell apart
and a decent number of them probably heard rumors that Overwatch got a talking gorilla at some point
Hammond wouldn't know about Recall, but he has a pretty good chance of knowing about Winston
hardy sapphire
pearl blade
How would Hammond get out of Australia? I get that he left junkertown but I don't exactly see anyone willing to transport a hamster and a mech that weighs a load out of the country
peak escarp
maybe it can float
limpid agate
If he has the money, he can probably hire a boat
Or just latch onto a cargo ship
I'd imagine the orb is waterproof if it can travel through space
valid shell
If it's heavy enough to sink and airtight enough to survive the vacuum of space, I guarantee Hammond could walk across the ocean floor.
frosty shell
but it might compress if that happened
then again, Roadhog and Junkrat can also cross the ocean
peak escarp
Junkers might have a network
timid eagle
I assumed that Hammond either tethered his mech to a cruise liner/cargo ship (in disguise as a floater), or though connections with the Junkers, the Queen got him a boat for him to transport his stuff to the nearest shore.
heady fern
Or he could’ve just stowed with the cargo and murdered anyone that found him
limpid agate
I dont think he would have killed people for that
timid eagle
Yeah, Hammond is a cheeky little bugger, not he isn't a murderer.
dire timber
how long until the event?
limpid agate
~10 hours
reef thicket
It will be around 6 8pm GMT
Thats all i know cuz thats all i looked up
<- british
worldly lintel
So now that we know that McCree is dating Ashe, who is Hanzo dating?
worldly lintel
I think we all know what happened
dire timber
well, they weren't dating
there's a good chance they did flirt with each other
but McCree got busted before it really got anywhere
worldly lintel
she waited for him while he was in prison
peak escarp
McCree has an interaction where he says Ashe isn't his type because she's too rich
iron plume
they haven't dated
iron plume
it's been debunked on a blizzcon panel
and yes, that seems to be where the signs point
worldly lintel
so are they in an arranged thing by their parents?
peak escarp
no
Ashe's parents don't care about her
and we don't even know about Jesse's parents
they are not romantically involved
worldly lintel
So i think we can agree they have dated before, but who is she dating now? Are Hanzo and McCree together?
peak escarp
did you not read the tweet
worldly lintel
I'm not on Twitter
peak escarp
"They are not dating, not did they date in the past."
worldly lintel
Who said that
worldly lintel
Where does he fit in the lore?
peak escarp
McCree has never even met Hanzo
Michael Chu is the head writer of Overwatch
he creates the lore
worldly lintel
I've played with Hanzo and McCree at the same time
valid shell
Neat?
peak escarp
just because they talk in the game doesn't mean they've actually met in the lore
worldly lintel
So the game isn't part of the lore?
peak escarp
correct
valid shell
Zenyatta working with Mei and Reaper to blow up Omnics?
peak escarp
it's basically the same as playing with action figures
worldly lintel
Oh, there goes my theory
valid shell
Sorry.
peak escarp
a lot of theories don't work once you learn the lore
worldly lintel
So it's kind of like Super Smash Brothers where it's just characters fighting in 'hypothetical' situations
peak escarp
Smash at least gives a reason for them to be fighting
the gameplay doesn't exist in Overwatch lore
worldly lintel
I think it does
I think it is Sombra and the shadow corporation running simulations for fighting Overwatch
worldly lintel
Athena is the announcer, a computer. It's a simulation.
limpid agate
Athena is unrelated to Overwatch
worldly lintel
limpid agate
I know what that page said
Here is one of a few sources from Blizzard saying the gameplay is not canon
worldly lintel
I don't use twitter
limpid agate
Good thing, because this is a Youtube video
worldly lintel
It's not canon because it is a simulation that isn't real
We don't cite The Matrix in US History
But it's a real movie
limpid agate
That's not the same.
Junkenstein's Revenge is The Matrix
Its an event that isn't real, but we know is an in universe movie
The core game itself is not canon
It is not a simulation
That suggestion makes no sense at all
Because even if you do assume it was a Talon simulation to fight OW, or an OW simulation to fight Talon
Half the cast is related to neither ornganization
There are a lot of neutral unrelated parties
Past that
Your only "evidence" is that Athena, the announcer, is a computer
However you suggested that it was Sombra's simulation
Those two are on opposing sides of a fight.
Sombra is part of Talon, Athena is part of Overwatch
So even your "evidence" conflicts with itself
worldly lintel
Why would they use an evil voice
limpid agate
Worked for TF2
Athena is the announcer for a game that isn't canon.
Full stop
If you can find an inkling of evidence that supports your claim, that would be nice. But you can't, because it doesn't exist, because the gameplay isnt canon.
frosty shell
It could be an Overwatch-run simulation, with the more powerful fighters from each universe
peak escarp
each universe?
limpid agate
Theres only one universe.
long ermine
did anything happen with the theory that the sombra eye thing had to do with the iris?
limpid agate
They havent gone in any details about either since.
long ermine
damn
worldly lintel
So in the one universe, you have the lore that we know to be true. I agree there is probably only one universe. But then in the simulation is where all of the cool stuff happens, like every game of Overwatch that has ever been played. I believe that the Sombra eye is crucial.
peak escarp
it's not a simulation
dire timber
it's not
reef thicket
its a dream
dire timber
it's not
worldly lintel
That could be
dire timber
nope, it could not
reef thicket
but what if it is
worldly lintel
Overwatch characters can't dream?
dire timber
it's an irrelevant question
worldly lintel
Is that canon?
dire timber
because it's not
the game has absolutely no bearing on the lore
none
the abilities and the voice lines are based in part on the characters
worldly lintel
So the updates to lore in the game are not actually lore canon
dire timber
but the story has little to do with the gameplay
worldly lintel
So McCree could be dating Ashe?
worldly lintel
In the game
dire timber
?
peak escarp
the game is irrelevant
worldly lintel
So Overwatch is the spin off?
dire timber
you could infer some stuff from the voice lines, but the in-game voice lines are just "what-if" scenarios
@worldly lintel the game is like playing with figurines
worldly lintel
McCree has a voice line that goes "boom goes the dynamite" in direct reference to his feelings for Ashe and her dynamite.
dire timber
stop this
worldly lintel
Why are you guys so strict about the lore
peak escarp
because that's what this channel is for
"Boom goes the dynamite" has nothing to do with Ashe
worldly lintel
I am discussing lore, but apparently the lore doesnt exist except for in fan comics
peak escarp
it's just a sports reference
dire timber
we're not talking about fan comics
worldly lintel
What sport uses dynamite?
peak escarp
it's a metaphor
iron plume
commentators say it when someone scores
dire timber
@worldly lintel check the pins
all the animated shorts and the comics are there
that's where the story is
worldly lintel
I see. Her dynamite isn't canon.
worldly lintel
Can we add that to the list of lore weapons in the pins?
dire timber
@cunning ledge add Ashe's dynamite to her canon weapons – she's shown using it in her origin short
worldly lintel
If that's missing, who knows what else could be missing.
peak escarp
we don't see her use it like she does in the game, but she did use explosives to bring down the train
so it reasons that she has access to dynamite
dire timber
@peak escarp the origin short, not the animated short
peak escarp
forgot about that
dire timber
she's shown throwing a stick of dynamite behind her
peak escarp
right
dire timber
yeah
peak escarp
dire timber
yep
cunning ledge
edited
dire timber
do you include passive abilities?
worldly lintel
Reaper's grenades are also canon
worldly lintel
Is the teaser canon?
dire timber
but some weapons and abilities from the game
are featured in canon material
and that pin is a list of those weapons and abilities
worldly lintel
gotcha
limpid agate
Interesting thing about the patch notes
They usually give heroes a backdrop related to their lore
For example, Ashe and McCree have Route 66
Bastion and Brig have Black Forest/Eichenwalde
iron plume
that's not just a reference to him
limpid agate
Torb has King's Row... But that's just because it looks like Iron Forge
iron plume
it's a well known phrase
limpid agate
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/page_media/7c/7C4LVDIF8ZX21529967875652.png
For Doomfist, it looks like they took what the VA said at Blizzcon 2017 to heart. Probably just a joke and not actual lore, but here's Doomfist running Blizzardworld
Thought that was amusing
iron plume
heh nice
peak escarp
adorable
plush moth
yes
quasi fern
Wrong channel smh, I swore I went to od
weary turtle
So has reinhart canonically told the halloween story? if yes when and to who
peak escarp
it was told at the Halloween party seen in the first Junkenstein comic
Jack, Ana, Torbjorn, Mercy and McCree were there
weary turtle
So still when ow was up
weary turtle
So has mcree done many things other than blackwatch
peak escarp
he was a founder of Deadlock
weary turtle
In ow i mean
peak escarp
unknown
we only see him as a Blackwatch member
after Blackwatch got exposed, Genji did missions with regular Overwatch
so maybe McCree did too
weary turtle
Was talon yet a thing?
weary turtle
In that case when was it founded?
And were they just a faceless terrorist organization and when and how does doomfist come into the picture?
peak escarp
we don't know
Adeyemi offered Ogundimu the chance to fight with him as a mercenary. Initially wary, Ogundimu accepted, and discovered that he now had an arena in which he could unleash his enhanced capabilities. Eventually, Adeyemi brought him into the Talon organization. Talon's belief that humanity would be made stronger through conflict resonated with Ogundimu's personal experiences. Moreover, Talon's power struggles presented a new challenge that allowed him to use his talent in the boardroom along with his cunning as a combatant. ```Akande Ogundimu was the protégé of Akinjide Adeyemi, the second Doomfist
he eventually killed his mentor and took over the title of Doomfist, and due to his leadership and charisma, he rose through the ranks of Talon to become one of their leaders
weary turtle
What do we know about widows brainwashing? Can talon just take anyone and transform them into ruthless killers? (And give us more talon heroes already blizzard!!)
peak escarp
Two weeks later she killed Gérard in his sleep.```Her mission complete, Amélie returned to Talon, and they completed the process of turning her into a living weapon. She was given extensive training in the covert arts, and then her physiology was altered, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue and numbed her ability to experience human emotion. Amélie was gone.
they seem to have the technology to do this to anyone, but so far they have only done it to Amelie Lacroix (as far as we know)
weary turtle
With all the omnics around and other fancy things, that sounds pretty mass producable :/
Although why not just make robots/omnics :D
peak escarp
people don't trust robots
if you want to get close enough to someone to assassinate them, a human is best
weary turtle
What has talon even done recently
weary turtle
Its been some time :P
limpid agate
All the major lore is in pins
dire timber
@weary turtle Retribution is so far the earliest known occurrence of Talon
it operated way before that, naturally
actually, no
set up to Retribution
the, uh, Oslo attack?
weary turtle
So basically stole the gauntlet (not much political value) killed the omnic in alive (i guess that helps to create more onflict), failed to get ow member details from winston (right?) And failed to assasinate russias president in infiltrations (like the only major thing they do?)
dire timber
that's the earliest known Talon event in the lore
anyhow, Doomfist was captured at some point before Overwatch was officially disbanded
(but possibly after the HQ explosion)
weary turtle
What does assasinating her help then :D or are they actually just wanting to create chaos (wich i dont want to believe)
dire timber
Talon's goal is to start a second global human-omnic war
quick sparrow
but why?
peak escarp
profit
quick sparrow
they produce weapons?
peak escarp
and Doomfist wants to push humanity to become stronger
weary turtle
"To make humanity stronger" like they say :P
quick sparrow
thats what doomfist says
peak escarp
a lot of inventions come out of war
dire timber
@quick sparrow Doomfist has an ideological drive to put humanity to test
dense estuary
whacking the CEO of a major corporation like a military contractor may not impact the ability of the company to make weapons but it could cause market instability which could cause other instabilities
dire timber
Maximilien has a similar interest – perhaps he want to turn it into a bet of sorts, a bet between humans and omnics
@weary turtle Volskaya is the CEO of Volskaya Industries
quick sparrow
cause of the casino? kappa
dire timber
she's not a political figure
weary turtle
And why does zarya do what she asks?
dire timber
well, Volskaya is kind of seen as a hero
dire timber
Volskaya does work closely with the Russian military
quick sparrow
zarya sees herself as a protector. maybe her "instincts" kick in
and shes like OH GOTTA SAVE PEOPLE
dire timber
anyhow, back to Talon...
quick sparrow
yes
dire timber
Sanjay is probably interested in the devastation that a war would bring – creating a perfect opportunity for Vishkar to step in and rebuild the damage done, on its own terms
dense estuary
See this is why I think Sanjay is involved in Talon is he sees Talon as a path to making Vishkar more powerful. Talon does some dirty deeds(though probably not done dirt cheap). And they along comes Sanjay in a suit and tie offering to build you a glorious hard light city built on order(for a price)
dire timber
yep
Moira is fine with whatever as long as there's no impediments to her research
and Reaper is fine with whatever as long as he gets to keep killing Overwatch agents
at least, going by what we know of them so far
dense estuary
at times I am reminded of this when I get the feel of Vishkar and its urban renewal thoughts.
https://themiddlespaces.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/delta-city.png
and of course depending on how high ranking of a suit Sanjay is he can probably funnel lots of Vishkar money into Talon as "expenses"
the main thing is I do not think the board at Vishkar knows about the ties to Talon, That is I do not think the company formally works with them.
weary turtle
I cant even imagine how talon could start a war agains all omnics (exept mabye god programs) and i wonder if they would ever just start an all out war themselves
peak escarp
they don't want a war against omnics
I don't think it matters who fights, just as long as there's some form of conflict
weary turtle
Well still atleast against someone
does shooting star take place during the omnicrisis (and all the omniums are currently destroyed right?)
weary turtle
I wonder if talon will/could use the rogue robots somehow
dire timber
the only omnics still functioning under Omnic Crisis programming are the omnics created by the recently awoken Siberian omnium, and the omnics attacking South Korea
pearl blade
That we know of or is it stated that that's all of them?
dire timber
we know for a fact that only the Siberian omnium and the East China Sea omnium remain active and hostile
Russia had crippled the Siberian omnium during the Omnic Crisis, making it the only omnium to be shut down without Overwatch's involvement
but it reactivated recently, which led Zarya to withdraw from her competition and join Russian defense forces
pearl blade
Ah aight
dire timber
dense estuary
And Korea pretty much fights OmnicZilla or things it spawns at random.
dire timber
I finally found the confirmation for that Korean omnium
in the Pacific Ocean, huh
Blizzard staff are not 100% reliable for lore – for that, we gotta look at official material or info from Chu himself
but this is something I've been looking for a while back
frosty shell
I still don't think that the East China Sea "omnium" was built by Omnica
I personally believe that it was built by the Omnics themselves without humanity's knowledge
Otherwise, I think Overwatch would've made sure to shut it down
Also, if the medal ceremony picture is somewhat canon McCree might've been part of regular Overwatch
limpid agate
That picture features Tracer and Ana
So its within the year that both were in Overwatch, which was after the Blackwatch suspension and before McCree quit
Plus we saw from Doomfist's anime that Genji also became a normal member
regal coyote
I think that picture is just the generic overwatch picture and is not meant to be timeline accurate
I mean, with respect to the text it is focused on.
dense estuary
I figure that Omnium would have to be eliminated before one would extend a plot chain that would give D.Va a chance to join Overwatch 2.0
well also to get really technical to build a new OW, the UN would have to reauthorize their operations
dire timber
@limpid agate apparently that picture was only meant to capture the overall feeling of Overwatch, and is not supposed to be any specific point in the timeline
dire timber
🤔
there's no need for Blackwatch though
like, Blackwatch existed to do what Overwatch needed done outside the law
but now the entirety of Overwatch is outside the law
coarse urchin
Did reaper get spooky smoke powers before blackwatch?
coarse urchin
I'm wondering like, Moira was the one doing research in becoming smoke™ and they were ready fighting side by side in the event
So I want to pin down the moment he started wraithing
dire timber
Reyes already had his smoke abilities by the time of Retribution
or, at the very least, he was already experimented on by Moira
and it's from Moira that he got those abilities to begin with
coarse urchin
Ic
She started experimenting with combat applications on herself or used Reyes as test bunny?
dire timber
before recruiting Moira, Reyes only had some regular genetic enhancements, like Soldier does
coarse urchin
"genetic enhancement" I think only heroes with 150 hp don't have those. I mean tracer does have a time machine oh her torso but still
coarse urchin
I mean kiiinda
You can explain mcree metal arm to be somewhat of an armor for his 200
dire timber
no, I mean it, don't draw any conclusions from gameplay features
because gameplay isn't lore
coarse urchin
Even tho ashe is mostly just dressed in a suit she has a funny shoulder pad on her right
Etc
Ok wait I get your point
I forgot rein < hog
dire timber
we haven't actually seen Moira use the smoke form in lore
coarse urchin
I'm trying to figure out if Reyes is just new to the ability or is he a partially failed experiment. They both can turn to smoke but one of them becomes incomperal
Oh
Darn
I like to mix game play with lore and tie it togheter
dire timber
like I said, don't draw any conclusions from gameplay
dire timber
Mercy can't actually resurrect people
Mei is not actually tougher than Reyes or McCree
oh, and D.va does not actually casually self-destruct her mech only to summon a new one
coarse urchin
I usually take the story as a explanation of why things are happening, but in overwatch they're like completely different entities
With subtle winks like special interactions
dire timber
it's like playing with figurines
coarse urchin
. 3 .
dire timber
if you want to specifically follow the story, it's all in the pins
coarse urchin
Overwatch game play is actually just a fanfic of "hey wouldn't it be cool if those guys got together and went to beat up those other guys?"
dire timber
comics, animated shorts, origin shorts
dire timber
?
reef thicket
k
dire timber
@reef thicket you should tone down on shitposting a bit
dire timber
um, yeah
dire timber
not really
peak escarp
she doesn't
peak escarp
19 is an adult
dire timber
did you watch Shooting Star?
reef thicket
ah yes the cinematic that made here COMPLETELY different from everything we've seen
dire timber
it puts things into perspective
iron plume
something tells me you didn't get the point of the cinematic
peak escarp
the cinematic that showed her true personality
before that we only saw D.Va
Shooting Star showed us Hana Song
flint briar
She puts on a show-off, cocky gamer attitude to help give the people hope that she will keep the rogue omnics at bay.
worldly lintel
Did world war II happen in Overwatch universe?
flint briar
Id imagine so
worldly lintel
Working on a theory
dire timber
@worldly lintel there's a direct reference to the Cold War
so I imagine that major historical events are pretty much the same
worldly lintel
Oooh, where?
dire timber
iron plume
yeah it's supposed to be a pretty late divergence
worldly lintel
Do we know when the divergence is? after current day?
iron plume
presumably
worldly lintel
So are we part of the lore?
inland lichen
no
peak escarp
I'd be in my 90s by the 2070s, so I'd probably be dead
dire timber
@worldly lintel the story being set on Earth is not a valid excuse for corny self-inserts
it's already lowkey embarrassing when the creators do it, although I can give that much a pass
but random people trying to spin that into some bizarre theories that happen to directly involve them...
🤢
sorry, it's bad
worthy rose
...
iron plume
i'm pretty sure he's just shitposting rather than trying to make it something
worthy rose
I mean , they are allowed to think whatever they want
iron plume
and slig is allowed to think it's cringy
which it is
lean prawn
self inserts usually are
subtle moss
cough Blizzard World * cough*
worldly lintel
Is Blizzard canon in the lore? Because we could be dealing with multiple paradoxes. Which is relevant to my interests.
peak escarp
Blizzard Entertainment exists
they made all the games they made currently (except Overwatch), and produced the cinematic the boys watch in the museum
peak escarp
DVa enjoys StarCraft, and it's likely that Overlord is a StarCraft pro
dire timber
@peak escarp I don't think Blizzard actually made that video in-universe
I think it was just a fancy way to include opening credits in the cinematic trailer
dire timber
@worldly lintel like Doctor said, Blizzard Entertainment exists in the Overwatch lore. they made all the games they made irl, with exception for Overwatch
so, that's actually the earliest divergence point, I guess
peak escarp
divergence in 2014 or whenever OW got greenlit
maybe in the OWU "Overwatch"/Blizzard's class based shooter got rejected and they made an MMO instead
or whatever game DVa is pro at
dire timber
I mean, even then, designs like Reaper, Tracer, and Soldier: 76 wouldn't be a thing
but I do think Blizard in the OW universe could've made Titan
and it could also be the game that D.va was a pro at
it would be a fun nod
peak escarp
no
lean prawn
Michael chu retconned that
worldly lintel
Really? Oh.
weary turtle
When?
peak escarp
it was incorrect info to start with, that devs and fans kept repeating
that profile was part of promoting the game and was not intended to be taken seriously
worldly lintel
Daddy Jeff said it was canon in November last year. So it's hard to blame people for thinking that.
dire timber
@worldly lintel she played StarCraft, but she wasn't a pro StarCraft player
it just wasn't her main game
dire timber
@lean prawn it wasn't really a retcon, it was actually a misconception
a misconception that was also held by Blizzard staff
worldly lintel
Dope, thx
dire timber
kinda like Jeff having absolutely no clue about Omnic Crisis and Uprising skins being snapshots from completely different points in time
it's like Chu is the only one who actually has a proper understanding of the lore
peak escarp
she does still enjoy StarCraft and is really good at it, she just doesn't play it at the professional level
worldly lintel
Yeah, I got that in the link above. Michael Chu gives a lot of good info there.
peak escarp
people give Michael a lot of shit for things that aren't his fault
worldly lintel
Is there a whole lore team, or is it just one job of the writers?
peak escarp
there are other writers, but he's the main one
and the most vocal
he frequently answers lore questions about minor details on Twitter and the forums
dire timber
Michael Chu and Alyssa Wong
dire timber
yeah, that
dense estuary
Oddly I bet OW games do exist but probably more in the light of COD
Like how well originally CoD was based on WW2. OW games would be based on the Crisis in setting.
dire timber
yep, there are definitely in-universe games based on the Omnic Crisis
specifically featuring the original strike team: Morrison, Reyes, Amari, Wilhelm, Lindholm
it would be a typical FPS, with Jack always being the protagonist, with some segments where you play as Gabriel or Ana
with Rein and Torb mostly stuck as likeable, but ultimately secondary characters
brisk bay
@crude steeple do not shitpost in this channel
timid eagle
Good choice. And Brigitte’s would probably be hot coco.
You know, sweet tooth and all.
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
Crilp
valid shell
@worthy rose ???
worthy rose
c r i l p
valid shell
Stop.
worthy rose
Nani
worthy rose
uf
knotty pagoda
Can someone give some info on Ana and Pharah's relationship lore?
knotty pagoda
The lore doctor, the lore!
peak escarp
what do you want to know?
knotty pagoda
Feel free to speculate!
peak escarp
Ana and Pharah seem to have a rough relationship - Ana didn't want Pharah to join Overwatch, and may have prevented her from joining
Pharah is also one of the only people who know she's alive
knotty pagoda
So Ana is unhappy that Pharah joined the Egyptian army?
Also, does Pharah have a grudge against Widowmaker?
peak escarp
Pharah doesn't know Widowmaker is the reason Ana went underground
knotty pagoda
Was that before or after Ana joined Overwatch?
peak escarp
what was?
knotty pagoda
Ana going underground
peak escarp
Ana was a leader of Overwatch
she faced Widowmaker in a sniper battle and lost, and decided to fake her death and go underground
knotty pagoda
Then Ana wrote a letter to Pharah explaining the whole thing a few years later?
peak escarp
yes
knotty pagoda
Oh ok thank you.
peak niche
It’s kinda a bummer for someone in South East Asia to not have a character from that region to relate to.
peak escarp
there's a lot of regions with no character to relate to
knotty pagoda
Echo 😄
valid shell
@knotty pagoda ?
knotty pagoda
Hope there is more lore for Echo in the future
timid eagle
Not really digging her holographic face, but I can deal with it if she gets an Epic Skin that is modelled on Ecoh’s original appearance.
dire timber
@knotty pagoda Ana served in the Egyptian army during the Omnic Crisis, and thanks to her skills, she was invited to be part of a secret strike team
that strike team was Overwatch
once Overwatch ended the Omnic Crisis and became a peacekeeping organization, Ana became Morrison's second-in command
that was 30 years ago
dire timber
she held that position for two decades up until the events of the Legacy comic
which took place somewhere between 6 and 7 years ago
knotty pagoda
@dire timber Thanks!
frosty shell
If there's an Omnic crisis FPS, you might just play as a random soldier
dire timber
?
weary turtle
Omnicrisis battlefront 2 :D
dire timber
@frosty shell I mean, Overwatch are widely known as the heroes of the Omnic Crisis
why wouldn't they be the ones put in the spotlight?
limpid agate
@frosty shell Overwatch back then was just Reaper/Ana/Soldier/Rein/Torb/Liao
Wouldnt be surprised if they waited for Liao and made it an archives mode with the last 4
white cobalt
I don't have any hope for Liao
formal burrow
Soldier 76, 77, 78. 79...
reef thicket
its
unconfirmed if soliders number isa ctually part of that program
or if its the american day of independence
worthy rose
considering that Reyes was soldier 24
reef thicket
seeing as solider is a huge patriot
worthy rose
it's probably his number in the enhancement program
dire timber
@reef thicket it is party of a program, what with Reyes being Soldier 24
reef thicket
ah
reef thicket
yeh
iron plume
there is
worthy rose
I don't remember the number exactly
limpid agate
Until stated otherwise, even if she was probably abandoned, Liao is still a founder of OVerwatch
iron plume
and his dossier is in moira's lab on oasis
dire timber
what people assume baselessly is that the numbers were assigned sequentially
limpid agate
^
reef thicket
what did the solider enhancement program actually do to people?
did it just make
them strong
worthy rose
regular dude -> 76
iron plume
enhanced strength and endurance, the usual
reef thicket
like captain america for example
dire timber
@reef thicket enhanced speed, strength, stamina
worthy rose
yes, the cap
dire timber
yep, it's basically like Captain America
worthy rose
the parallels
iron plume
cap is also basically unkillable so it's not quite to the same extent
worthy rose
76 is a protagonist, he can't die
reef thicket
would it still be devastating like any regular person
worthy rose
not as devastating
dire timber
it would still be a wound that would need to be treated
worthy rose
muscle density and all that
reef thicket
yeah obviously slig but
worthy rose
but yeah, it would be pretty close to a normal person
reef thicket
what i meant is would someone like lets say Jack
got shot somewhere like the solider or arm
iron plume
they would be less likely to die and more likely to recover
reef thicket
would that take them out of the fight
reef thicket
also
why is
doomfist able to take such beating
like he did in his story trailer
worthy rose
he has muscles
reef thicket
muscles wouldn't protect you agaisnt tracer shooting you for a solid minute or 2
frosty shell
probably has prosthetics under his skin
reef thicket
and genji slashing his katana at you
dire timber
@reef thicket some kind of energy shield?
frosty shell
which can maybe absorb the impact
reef thicket
is his shield from ingame canon though
reef thicket
probably
blizzard doesnt really do many "little" details about how much dmg characters can take xD
they also really seem agaisnt having any blood or gore in their games
worthy rose
yeah, kids play this
reef thicket
seeing as how in OW most of the characters with guns shoot lasers or something
lean prawn
the best defense might be a Canon ability
reef thicket
and the guys with actual bullets dont actually make blood or anything like that
what does mcrees gun shoot?
it looks like some weird high tech bullets
worthy rose
blue glowing bullets
worthy rose
they're cesium-137 isotopes mixed with glass that would go into radioactive waste disposal
but instead mccree uses it for blue glowy effects
frosty shell
When Tracer is shooting Doomfist there does look like there is a shield around him
reef thicket
the things he shoots with on his arms
the barrels look huge
@frosty shell take a pic of it
worthy rose
I know, it's stretched sometimes, but you can't expect it to work exactly ingame
Bob shoots bullets
big bullets