check origin story of orisa
#lore-discussion
dire timber
yeah?
regal coyote
that static picture shows or15 with the gun
dire timber
yes
regal coyote
so yeah theya re stock for or15, at least for a bunch of them shown in the origin story
what is branford arm... hmm
peak escarp
regal coyote
thanks
pearl blade
Is the branford arm the shield shooting arm?
peak escarp
the OR15s were pretty damaged by Doomfist's attack
limpid agate
Or the fortify arm. Or the arm used to hold the Fusion driver
peak escarp
so Efi probably would have needed to replace the fusion driver
regal coyote
is there any body with in tact gun arm in the airport?
regal coyote
also only thing confirmed from efi for sure would be halt
peak escarp
that could be the Branford arm
limpid agate
The only things we know are Efi specifically are the graviton and the supercharger.
regal coyote
so it is confirmed at least for orisa her bodyparts are modular and can be swapped
as for supercharger
what are they for?
I mean, there is a "supercharger" type of thing on the regular or15 too
se seen in pictures and airport
i am talking in terms of lore, not game effect
reef thicket
Lmfal
llucios
Also orisa swaps out her arm?
thats good i guess
would be weird seeing a robot walk around with a large gun on its artm
arm
helping a lady cross the road lmfao
dire timber
@regal coyote I think that in previous models, the part that looks like supercharger is simply auxiliary power storage.
limpid agate
Could just be gameplay
The OR14s had leg supports, but full golden is a better gameplay indicator than some leg braces
reef thicket
ah
dire timber
yep
regal coyote
actually 100% sure it is just game effects
dire timber
Honor and Glory demonstrates how it really works
regal coyote
but the same ability is shown in honor and glory by a OR14
basically just some mechanism to strengthen its 4 leg support structure
dire timber
as a rule of thumb, @reef thicket, don't presume gameplay to translate directly into lore
regal coyote
it might be a bit different in orisa but would not deviate too much
well gameplay and lore is similar at times, but not the same
dire timber
in case of Fortify, Orisa just digs her legs into the ground
regal coyote
i mean if reaper works in game like lore he would be unkillable
dire timber
@regal coyote it doesn't translate directly
the lore might reference gameplay sometimes
quite often, in fact
but we should not presume gameplay to be indicative of anything in the lore
regal coyote
agree
but in general though, we can assume equipment in the generals tandard model would work
and that they are effective things, though the effect and function might be complete different from lore vs gameplay
obvious difference is how ana rifle work
also the face that mercy can pull a pistol out of her cavity somehow
limpid agate
I liked the suggestion that her staff turns into the gun
regal coyote
not to mention it may not even be lore mercy would carry a pistol
regal coyote
also her model does not have a bag for stashing the gun
and her personality indicates that she is unlikely to be carrying one
but gameplay would require that and i understand
though yeah if she would shoot from the other side of her staff it would make much mroe sense
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
dire timber
@regal coyote you seem to be overthinking her outfit
there's nothing stopping her from having a gun on her person
cobalt bramble
Plot twist orisa is a spider
limpid agate
@cobalt bramble Shitposting will result in a loss of access
weary turtle
Do we know what zen was made for, did he have an owner or smthng?
dire timber
he was one of thousands civilian omnics, manufactured some 20 years ago
he was part of a group of omnics that experienced some sort of spiritual awakening and established a monastery in the Himalayas
weary turtle
Civilian as in goverment owned and doing shitjobs?
regal coyote
not sure
companies can own omnics too
not sure about the shit job part
similar omnics can be doing literial shit jobs, but more likely services like customer services
dire timber
@weary turtle by civilian omnic, I mean the kind of omnics you see everywhere
the waiters, the bartenders, the butlers
the omnic from Hero, the omnic crowd in Alive
Zenyatta, Mondatta, Maximilien, Lynx
a regular humanoid omnic
as opposed to a combat omnic, like Orisa or Bastion
or the omnic troops from the Omnic Crisis, or the Null Sector
reef thicket
i know i dont presume everything every hero does ingame translates into lore but
thought orisas think might've been different since she turns gold
like.. other than digging her feet into the ground
reef thicket
suprising how strong those bots are though
seeing as they can take on a charge from reinhardt
or well.. sortof
in the cinematic they get pushed a bit but thats because the or14 didnt premtivly dig into the ground before rein charged
but it still stopped his charge then basically defeat rein in 1 shit
hit*
dire timber
I still can't wrap my head around the idea of Doomfist beating OR15s tbh
like, OR15s should have the ability to dig in as well
... unless
maybe Sombra did something to them to disorient them? 🤔
reef thicket
Could be considering doomfist took them all on without the proper doomfist
he either had no fist at all or a lower powered one
dire timber
we actually don't know the order of events
I wish Doomfist retrieving the gauntlet was a comic or something
cause these events are way too vague
reef thicket
@peak escarp
we know the order dont we
pretty sure he said it was like
arive at airport
kill robots
get fist
peak escarp
yes
he punched them with his prosthetic arm
same arm he used to punch his way out of jail
reef thicket
oof
peak escarp
you can see why they wouldn't let him compete against normal humans anymore
frosty shell
I don't know if Talon helped DF at all in his raid against Numbani
However, Sombra having helped out would explain why Zarya went to Numbani in Searching (other than meeting Lynx-17)
peak escarp
they might have just dropped him off (like they did for Widow in Alive)
Orisa was already there when Zarya got to Numbani, so that would have been a while later
frosty shell
What I mean by that is that maybe Zarya went to Numbani because she knew Sombra helped Doomfist
Although Lynx-17 might've been the only reason why
That could make sense
peak escarp
probably
regal coyote
imagine so,mbra disabling all the or15 functions and doomfist plays pinball with them
much less rish, bu also less cool
regal coyote
so yeah doomie going solo kill on all them sounds more cool story wise
i mean or15 are at best elite mooks anyways
weary turtle
Do the event maps trigger new voicelines?
weary turtle
Id assume she'd leave a couple of tricks up her sleave but sure :D
frosty shell
Zarya probably did go to Numbani just for Lynx-17 looking at the comic again
However, Sombra did control the mech hand in Infiltration
So she does seem to be able to control machines sometimes
dire timber
@frosty shell you mean Zarya?
reef thicket
weary turtle
Atleas giant russian mechas :P
dire timber
in that first sentence, I mean
reef thicket
ok
frosty shell
A big problem with Searching is there's no real explanation of why Zarya didn't just go right to Mexico
So I was (for a moment) hopeful that Sombra helping Doomfist might be a good explanation for some of it
but probably not
reef thicket
btw
what is
the energy the russians use in their weapons
such as Zar's weapon
seeing as it can make a fucking black hole..
probably cant in canon but its funny to think about
weary turtle
She did something in the comic to sombra right?
dire timber
@reef thicket a black hole?
frosty shell
Some kind of gravity concentration
weary turtle
Btw was the talon "tank" that got removed from the screen in that one comic included in the possible list for heroes? And did anyone (developers) ever really talk about it?
dire timber
it was most likely just a Retribution tease
reef thicket
i've brought up things about retribution stuff before too
it would be cool if that talon tank could actually become a hero
or something like him
weary turtle
That actually just looks like the little shotgun dude :/
But whats up with the greec mythology and all the statues? Think well get something about those sometime?
Or did someone just read a couple too many percy jacksons :D
weary turtle
Arent there a couple scattered across other maps as well like in shateu gilliard?
peak escarp
Chateau Guillard and Rialto have them
weary turtle
And why would they be fighting on an excavation sight?
peak escarp
because Talon is there
peak escarp
that too
reef thicket
are there still
weary turtle
Doomfist thinks something about conflict will make humanity stronger idk :P
reef thicket
god programs
around
doomfist wants to start a war between omnics and humans
because he wants to give the world another test
where only the strong survive
peak escarp
Anubis is the only AI designated as a "god program" that we know of
weary turtle
If there are any could they be in one of sombras research things?
peak escarp
not likely
according to Pharah, they were all quarantined after the crisis by Overwatch
weary turtle
Are there still many symbols we dont know?
From the sombra grid things?
Well ovetwatch is kind of kaput currently and the whole talon thing so i guess they could make an interesting plotpoint
Or was atleast
And could the god programs be good like echo?
Noted that mcree had echo QUARANTINED in the chip
peak escarp
quarantined usually means locked away and kept under guard
not saved to a chip and passed off to someone
weary turtle
The body atleast seemed to be under quite the protection
reef thicket
it looks like echo could easily get dirty
just look how white she is
if she gets hit with mud its gonna make a mark
weary turtle
I assume being the only way of reading the chip but idk :P
Well she floats doesent she :P
reef thicket
doesnt mean she cant get hit by stuff
xD
- she looks very vulnerable ngl
unless she has shields
weary turtle
I wonder if i asked too many questions 😅
weary turtle
And i dont think mcree got the chip legally since isnt he thecnically a kriminal or sthng?
peak escarp
he is wanted, yes
but he could have been given that chip before he left Overwatch
or stole it from them before he left
or someone else stole it and McCree stole it from them
or someone else stole it and gave it to McCree
there's a lot of ways he could have gotten it
weary turtle
And wasnt he on the train before it crashed and if not is that just a common route for moving overwatch/important stuff?
weary turtle
And what is the thing he threw away in the first comic? Think well be getting more info with echo?
limpid agate
@weary turtle It was probably just a macguffin for just that one comic.
It hasn't been relevant in 3 years, or teased to exist elsewhere.
If it does come up again, it'll probably be related to some other mystery first
Like Volskaya's tech or Junkrat's treasure
dire timber
maybe it's some encrypted data cache that they wanted Sombra to look into or something
that's my headcanon for now
dawn knot
considering it wasn't heavily protected
and only a few sets of soldiers went after it
no agents
i honestly agree with that idea a lot
cedar moon
could sombra hack a god ai
valid shell
Probably.
Actually definitely.
Since that nobody on Pharah's team hacked Anubis.
And because God AI aren't that important in lore anymore.
limpid agate
That was the point of Old Soldiers
Reaper was planning a raid on the Temple of Anubis so they could get something valuable for Sombra - Which is Anubis
dire timber
@valid shell it's really bizarre how its networking came with no safeguards whatsoever – that a feedback loop on one of its drones was enough to paralyze the entire system, instead of being cut off
weary turtle
Or was it.... (propably yeah but we're still talking about an advanced ai)
And to be honest have we gotten that much up to date talon lore that could even remotely have referenced the cube
dense estuary
Even if Sombra could not hack the core processor of a god AI, She absolutely could isolate the core process and probably seize control of lesser functions. Maybe even trick it into an AI "Mousetrap" Virtual Machine
the interesting thing if one could fool the AI into a VM is someone like Sombra is probably smart enough to make the VM act like the old system. Meaning Anubis would think his plans were working and would get the right data fed back even though its all false.
iron plume
yes
that's anubis and point b/def spawn is the temple
iron plume
or stopping the attackers from reactivating it
iron plume
it's "contained", whatever that means
pharah's mission in the comic takes place after it breaks containment
reef thicket
oh
wait
how does it... break out though.
isnt it an AI
does it have a body?
coarse urchin
Attack team canonly won?
Xplains my low defense defending team
iron plume
it doesn't have one of its own but it manifests by taking over robot security
it's in pharah's comic
reef thicket
so god ai are evil?
they sound quite eerie and strong considering they are titled "god" ai
iron plume
"God programs" aren't really a thing
apparently it's just the colloquial name for programs that can take over omnics
and we don't know if there are any aside from Anubis
pure kernel
What about the Iris
dire timber
I have a theory on the Iris
but until it's proven right and wrong, we only know that it's a religious concept for the Shambali
pure kernel
It could be a god program if they take over omnics
good god programs, bad god programs
In between god programs and so on
dire timber
I mean, it's been confirmed that the god programs aren't that important
they're not the core focus, they're just another part of the story
and "god program", like others said, was just a colloquialism made up on the spot to describe Anubis
not an entire class of AIs
pure kernel
Maybe it's a term only Helix uses
peak escarp
we don't even know what earned Anubis the name of "god program"
it could just be because it's named after an Egyptian god
pure kernel
Heck it could even be a term only Pharah uses
valid shell
Or it could be allegorical, because it's a man-made fabrication that can force masses into doing horrible things.
Like most religions.
pure kernel
Ooh
ebon portal
Tfw still no lore
dire timber
we're supposed to get some more comics in 2019
ebon portal
"We're starting the second season of cinematics"
Proceeds to show 3 backstories that are already known
regal coyote
We WERE supposed to get lots of lore in 2018, just saying... gj jeff-chu
well at least theya re not as dumbfuck as the person saying "Do you guys not have phone?" and chu is actually apologetic that there should ahve been more lore stuff
On Anubis ... the question is 1) why is it not to be destroyed
- seeing it is a game map, does the map refer to that event, or does it mean mroe event are to be exposed there?
seeing the camper there would mean soemthing of ana-jack's involvement?
dire timber
@regal coyote I do think it's likely we'll get a cinematic set in the Temple of Anubis
possibly involving Ana and Pharah
and, uhhh, Reaper?
Idk
pure kernel
Yes he should, as well as a bunch of Helix members
Noooo i want him to be there :<
Or maybe Reaper wouldnt
dire timber
I'm not sure if they'd put Soldier in a Pharah/Ana cinematic
cause that'd make it a bit crowded
pure kernel
He's been in several cinematics already. He's not the only 'bad guy' yknow (reaper)
dire timber
yeah, Reaper is kind of used as the go-to bad guy
but he also seems to have some business in the Temple of Anubis
pure kernel
Also, Soldier is currently in the shadows with Ana
dire timber
yea
pure kernel
i see him doing side jobs but i think he'd tag along. specially since he just reunited with Ana
regal coyote
one thing for sure, if there is paharah and ana it would be AFTER the reflection event
cause
if not there is no meaning ana write to pharah about her being alive
also the camp in the anu map belongs to 76 i think
as for antag, this one can be sombra really
it seem anu is more useful for sombra
reef thicket
ebon portal
No idea tbh
Don't understand how she can be 20 in the omnic crisis and 20 30 years later
Not to mention being a pro pilot at like 17 or something
reef thicket
Dunno
i mean she looks really fuckin young
so def between 20 - 35
but again.. does she even age anymore
ebon portal
I don't think they ever mentioned her age being slowed
reef thicket
shrug
seems likely considering she can like
reverse time to heal wounds
xD
its either
she doesnt age at all
or ages slowly
or neither and just ages normally i guess
dire timber
@ebon portal what do you mean?
Tracer is 26
she was born after the Omnic Crisis ended
white cobalt
She ages normally
peak escarp
she didn't fight in the omnic crisis
ebon portal
She didn't? Ooooh uprising wasn't the crisis was it
peak escarp
correct
dire timber
King's Row Uprising took place over 20 years after the Omnic Crisis
peak escarp
Uprising was 7 years before present day
dire timber
while the Omnic Crisis was 30 years before present day
ebon portal
Oh man I got confused sorry
peak escarp
don't worry, a lot of people make that mistake
dire timber
I don't understand why so many people make that mistake
peak escarp
because of that medals image
reef thicket
bastion could ever be fitted with some voice module thing
peak escarp
people think that's from the crisis, and Tracer is there
ebon portal
I think that's why, she appears with a young Jack and young ana in the opening I think
dire timber
I wish they'd reupload a fixed Museum Heist video
with the static images replaced completely
same with Recall
dire timber
reef thicket
oo
peak escarp
the big offenders are the medal ceremony, the congratulations image, and the Overwatch group shot that includes Lucio, Pharah and Bastion
the only image they've ever corrected was the group picture in Ana's origin trailer
reef thicket
they have that
robot
in that pic too
Athena
which doesnt exist or atleast we dont know if it does
dire timber
... you mean Echo?
reef thicket
we got echo but she doesnt have the A on her head
no
the bottom img
theres a robot like echo that has the athena symbol on it
which obviously isnt echo
peak escarp
that is Echo
hushed zephyr
echo is hot
dire timber
that's Echo
reef thicket
..
dire timber
Echo's concept design
reef thicket
eh
peak escarp
they put Athena's logo there to fill space
hushed zephyr
i want her motor oil on me
dire timber
it has more to do with Echo than with Athena
hushed zephyr
Athena is a greek goddess thats just a statue
peak escarp
Athena is the AI at Watchpoint: Gibraltar
dire timber
@hushed zephyr shitposting will result in loss of access
reef thicket
yeah but in blizzards early design of overwatch they were probably thinking of making athena a hero
instead of echo or something
idk
maybe they did just putt her symbol there to fill space
dire timber
nope
reef thicket
who knows this was before OW even came out
dire timber
it's the concept design for Echo
reef thicket
lmao
hushed zephyr
whats shitposting @dire timber
dire timber
they were not planning to make Athena a hero
reef thicket
then i wonder how far into the future they plan stuff for OW
reef thicket
i want a storymode
something to progress the story more
not much is happening atm
peak escarp
they even use the same picture
In the old picture... Sometimes what an artist like Arnold does is say, 'There's too much white space, I want to put a logo on,' so he just put the Athena logo on the model. And the community embraced that model as being Athena. Athena is actually Winston's AI, which is a separate thing - this character is separate from being Athena. The players also know Athena as the narrator of the competitive matches as well. But this is Echo, who is somebody completely different.```he also says she was always planned to be in the game
so that's why you can see her in very early concept art
hardy sapphire
i was summoned?
worthy rose
trivia; kaplan means tiger in turkish
dire timber
um
that's not Jeff exactly
I mean, it's a Jeff cameo
but in-universe, it's someone completely unrelated
peak escarp
no shitposting
raven zinc
what is defense matrix lorewise
limpid agate
@raven zinc She is shooting down projectiles that are coming her way
You can see it in Shooting STar
She uses it to shoot missiles out of the sky
lean prawn
they implied that dva was such a pro gamer™ that she was fast enough to shoot down projectiles with her raw reflexes
timid eagle
@lean prawn Also, she’s rebuilding her mech in a similar manner to that of a hardcore PC gamer building a new rig.
dense estuary
Point Defense Weapon and Close In Weapons Systems. Are essentially the same thing
Its reaction speed is believable due to being a laser. What actually has to move can just be the mirror assembly while the source is deeper in the mech
zenith hill
Why can’t D.Va’s primary fire blast oncoming projectiles in the game, like Pharah’s rockets, or Zarya’s mortar?
valid shell
Because neither of them have hitboxes.
zenith hill
Actually her defense matrix already accomplishes that feat nvm
valid shell
Yes.
zenith hill
I still can’t take the Dragons animation seriously when it dispenses scatter arrow
valid shell
Can you take the Cinematic Trailer seriously when Reaper shoots smoke grenades? Or Recall when Winston's shield generator explodes?
Or Reunion when McCree throws a brace of grenades?
limpid agate
Hanzo still has scatter tip arrows
Just like how Genji has smoke bombs
Or Tracer can blink up
Again, gameplay != lore
dense estuary
generally if something is in a cinematic but not gameplay its safe to assume its probably because of balance or it just would not work well with gameplay regardless of balance
peak escarp
and if something is in gameplay but not in a cinematic it's assumed that it isn't canon
dawn knot
it's strange to think about
the fact that some maps are canonical
as strangely laid out for the place they're meant to be as they are
like eichenwalde for example
though that short was fully of sillies
peak escarp
the location is canon, but the layout might not be
it's just arranged that way for gameplay
the way they move about the map doesn't make any sense in the short
dawn knot
ah fair enough
peak escarp
Widowmaker's mansion is probably much larger
dawn knot
obviously haha
and not laid like an arena
i feel like
near all
if not just
all maps are warped/exaggerated versions of their actual
canonical
layouts
peak escarp
yeah
dawn knot
maybe gibralter isn't
that's the only one i can think of that looks
pretty much like a real place
even the central path for a rocket makes sense
considering it's probably some sort of
launchpad station
dense estuary
which means really there would be nothing by the launch area
other than stuff to directly support the vehicle
though in OW they probably just raise a shield around the launch pad meaning RUDs are not a safety issue
(RUD: Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly)
worthy rose
Junkrat's treasure has been mentioned for a while, but we have no idea what it even is. Think it will lead up to a hero or map or something, or is it one piece of lore that will be forgotten?
Not sure tbh, but it's definitely important in the lore
A new map may make the most sense, perhaps one of the omnica station where he found the treasure
Some people theorize that it allows for the controlling of omnics, and that doesn't sound too far off
Depends on how much you read into Junkenstein's Revenge
iron plume
I'd wager it'll be deliberately kept unknown
worthy rose
Oh for sure
worthy rose
That's a recurring trend in Overwatch
iron plume
or you get theories about how symmetra is actually about chaos and control for her own
lean prawn
i say it'll be brought into the spotlight when the recall phase of the lore is done
worthy rose
It seems to be something dangerous or heinous
lean prawn
the only thing we can speculate about it is that it's either big, fragile, or both
iron plume
the junkers are ultimately just not that important
worthy rose
Rather than an actual treasure
lean prawn
a lot of love was still put into the Australian corner of the lore tho
worthy rose
Considering the treasure was from an omnica station, which is one of the most important things in the lore since it led to the omnic crisis
lean prawn
i wonder where they got inspiration for the junker lore tho
worthy rose
Seems to give off some Madmax vibes
lean prawn
the aesthetic might be madmax, but it feels a lot like they drew some inspiration from Canadian history
it's a story of native inhabitants forming a provisional government and a military force to rebel against a government seeking to give their land to foreigners
worthy rose
Good point
lean prawn
Louis Riel didn't sabotage a robot factory to irradiate Manitoba tho
worthy rose
I feel like it could be something related to the core of the omniums.
frosty shell
I think they actually do have an answer as to what Junkrat's treasure is
Jeff wouldn't have talked about it in that one video if not
frosty shell
The way the Junker backstory works is fairly clever, tying in the aftermath of the Crisis with a nuclear wasteland
reef thicket
whatever it is it must be something spooki
frosty shell
Although I don't think a "fusion core" would melt down the same way a fission reactor would
frosty shell
Although it's definitely possible a conventional explosion could've scattered radioactive remnants everywhere
reef thicket
i mean
radioactivity is a bitch to get rid of
- it can go into the air
winds can push it
and make it rain over other areas
if something radio active explodes somewhere that doesnt mean all the radioactivity is gonna sit there forever
its gonna be blown by the wind
or moved by other means
frosty shell
Yeah, that's probably what happened in Junkertown
reef thicket
would be suprised if radiation landed in areas out of australia to tbf
lean prawn
Australia is a pretty big place, and the omnium is in the middle of the Outback
the omnium definitely doesn't have anything that could do that, especially since it was shut down
peak escarp
no
because Shaggy is not an Overwatch character
shitposting is not allowed here
you should stop
reef thicket
<@&397922982632226816>
floral herald
@ashen mantle stop shitposting
twilit nacelle
ashen mantle
oh aye
regal coyote
that said though someone with a pet animal is defintiely a trope that can fit well in overwatch, maybe a robot animal
peak escarp
we literally just got Ashe
peak escarp
who has a "pet" with Bob
limpid agate
@reef thicket Shitposting will result in a loss of access
reef thicket
...
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
regal coyote
it does not have to be "more than 6 things"
like the mount thing is literally just a speeding effect for s short time. not a seperate entity
and pet can be a effect
like it get commanded to hit on a target, then disappear.
sure you can destroy it but it does not ahve to be the "more than 6 things" effect bob has
there is NO REASON a small dog would be a ble to contest or pull payload anyways
cobalt bramble
basically torb
regal coyote
sorta, or sym
difference is that it is a movable thing, that does shorter range damage
imagine a turret that can be moving towards enemy when commanded, but can onlysmsh people with its legs
reef thicket
yeah it would be considering the only things of those sort we have in the game atm are stationary
syms portal turrets etc
torbs turret
bob moves when hes charging or when enemies knock him back but otherwise hes stationary
cobalt bramble
weren't you able to control torb's turret at one point?
thats something I remember 🤔
reef thicket
nope
also
a pet made like any of the other non player characters in ow would be terrible seeing as how bob/torbs turret aimbots you the moment your in its los
xD
idk what ur wild obession with adding pets / mounts into the game is hamster
i mean the idea of pets isnt that too out of this world but ur suggestion about mounts is just a definete nop
limpid agate
It would be a good niche for Overlord
None of the other potential heroes feel like they fit that niche though
reef thicket
stil lwaiting for the junker queen
also curious
has anyone made a side by side comparison
for hammond
like a normal hamster and hammond
reef thicket
oof
limpid agate
More like a small dog
limpid agate
Hamsters are miniature
reef thicket
i wish i could get a hamster like hammond irl
cobalt bramble
Didn't Hammond come from an escape pod?
reef thicket
yeah
cobalt bramble
Maybe stunted growth in space?
valid shell
Not really sorta.
He's identical to Winston, except Winston's capable of speech, being a cousin to humans.
tawny swan
and Hammond owns a giant mecha
valid shell
@tawny swan Correct.
tawny swan
I am a bit confused since most of the animals there were gorillas why is he a hamster
tawny swan
I’m assuming the gorillas were more successful
dawn knot
i mean one of the gorillas was literally
one of only two "successes"
so they're more right than wrong
brisk harbor
I don’t get ur logic
peak escarp
Winston was the only "successful" specimen out of the apes
the rest reacted to the treatments with increased aggression and violence
Winston is the only one who got super smart and was able to control his anger and agression
Hammond didn't become aggressive, but he did get smart
dawn knot
smarte boye
tawny swan
And hammond escaped by latching onto Winston’s escape pod but the cord snapped and he fell into junkertown
peak escarp
yes
desert yarrow
Why is mercy from Switzerland but speaks German
peak escarp
correct
dawn knot
so there wasn't a mothertongue anyways to be had
thank you for enlightening me tbh
this is chill knowledge to have
practical
peak escarp
Swiss just speak the language of their neighbours
France to the west, Italy to the south, Germany to the north
dawn knot
i guess the same with belgium
most likely the case with a lot of other countries too
i need to change my negative like
view
that every country comes neatly with a language
peak escarp
a lot of them do
but a lot of them also just speak a dialect of a language they share with other countries
for example, Mercy would speak Swiss German (even though in her voice lines she speaks High German, because that's what Lucie Pohl speaks)
peak escarp
exactly
speakers of different dialects of the same language can generally understand each other
barring a few unique slang words or different pronounciations
dawn knot
and dialects are different from accents in that they are just different versions of the same language, both fully correct, while accents are mispeaking a language with your native vocal
diddlies idk how to
put it
peak escarp
I want Reinhardt to get some German lines so he and Mercy can talk German to each other
dawn knot
yeah sad that the
voice actors restrict that
was it so important for rein to be passionate over actually german
peak escarp
Lucio's VA learned some Portuguese, so there's hope for the others
dawn knot
fair enough
i wonder how fluent he sounds to an actual speaker
to me he still has an english
tang
if that makes any sense
i wonder too how many of the VAs actually speak the
character's language
or only somwhat/had to learn for the part
you'd think they all would if some did but
maybe not
peak escarp
as far as I know, the heroes with VAs that are fluent in their character's native language (except for English speakers) are Ana, Brigitte, DVa, Genji, Mei, Mercy, Sombra, Symmetra (?) and Zarya
and Widowmaker
dawn knot
i like ana's va
like who even is she
most likely picked because she was just perfect for the part
which i respect
though she may be well known, i'm rather out of the loop on those kinds of things
peak escarp
the heroes who should speak another language but don't have any lines in their native language (aside from their ultimate line, in Hanzo's case) are Doomfist, Hanzo, Pharah, Reinhardt and Torbjorn
and maybe Roadhog (he's unofficially Maori)
reef thicket
also hammond is probably as smart as winston
considering he built a mech on his own
with guns etc and became champion of the junkertown
not sure who built the AI or whatever wrecking ball is
peak escarp
he might have bought a pre-built AI package
reef thicket
i feel like the only difference is winston and hammond communicate differently
hammond gets translated
while winston talks due to be close relatives to humans
dawn knot
pretty sure actual gorillas don't have the vocal cords for it
even if they wanted to
though who knows what winston's got
maybe they made his body capable of speech too
peak escarp
the genetic manipulation probably gave him more human-like vocal cords
dawn knot
most likely yea
peak escarp
Winston is a bit larger than typical gorillas too
not nearly on the same scale as Hammond, but he is big
dawn knot
yes
i wonder if his rage form is
a canonical thing that happens
i mean in the shorts he turns red and electric too
but idk
peak escarp
Cinematic Trailer, Recall and Doomfist's Origin Trailer
dawn knot
^
worthy rose
Hammond and Winston are FWBs. Change my mind.
peak escarp
gross
regal coyote
On hammond
NO he is not 12 times a hamster
A hamster average weight can be as much as 50grams. which is not much. Average pikachu weight is 6kg
So yeah Hammond is around 120 times bigger than average hamster, and many times older
worthy rose
what lol
limpid agate
I wasn't talking weight, I was talking height
Hamsters are what, 10cm tall?
Hammond is about 120
worthy rose
Oh my god Hammond is taller than me
peak escarp
if Hammond is "Pikachu sized", he's 1'4" or 0.4m
frosty shell
Weight ratio should be the cube of height ratio
frosty shell
not that heavy in relation to his weight
I could imagine you could pick him up
Hammond being a guinea pig would be better sizewise, but that would make his name and ball not make sense
The largest hamsters are about 7" long
peak escarp
so Hammond is about double that
frosty shell
The wild black-bellied hamster is 12" long, however
Though Hammond's body-to-head ratio is that of a regular hamster
regal coyote
this is one large hamster
bgger than any i had
though hammond is probably something like a golden hamster not this
frosty shell
It's a different species from the domestic hamster, yes
regal coyote
i want one, maybe train it up as attack hamster
timid eagle
Name it Cuddly Chubby Cheeks (Triple C).
royal junco
Fuck any other cinematic
Where is the soldier vs reaper flashback cinematic
It’s the only one that matters
limpid agate
A long ways away
royal junco
Y tho
regal coyote
well tey can do anubis round ii and have a small skirmish with reaper s soldier and soemone else
royal junco
Nah we need to see how the base blew up
How did 2 ppl blow up an entire base
On not purpose?
peak escarp
it was more than just them
there was sabotage going on
Soldier suspected their enemies (Talon) infiltrated Overwatch and attacked from inside
valid shell
What if Jack and Gabe both orchestrated the whole thing.
dawn knot
w o a h
peak escarp
maybe
dawn knot
what purpose would self sabotage serve though
peak escarp
I think they came to blows after a while of strained relationship (started by the Venice Incident and set off by Ana's 'death') and Talon, who had been watching and waiting for the right opportunity, made it look like their fighting triggered the explosion
in Trainhopper McCree noticed that Talon was using the Blackwatch playbook, and one of the Talon grunts recognized him
aside from Reaper teaching them, this could mean two things - either Talon infiltrated Blackwatch before the fall, or Blackwatch members defected to Talon after the fall
it could even be both
dawn knot
probably all of them yea
frosty shell
It's possible Soldier just thinks it was Blackwatch who brought Overwatch down
I don't think he ever specified who he thought brought down Overwatch (correct me if I'm wrong)
dense estuary
it was the backlash from the Blackwatch wet work that soured the public view of Overwatch.
basically the general fear of this basically "above the law" group was actually conducting direct operations did not sit well in the UN
dawn knot
i wonder why
pearl blade
No shitposting my guy @scenic siren
dawn knot
😬
pearl blade
Thanks
timid eagle
It will be interesting to see what happens, narrative-wise, for the game.
I can see members of Talon infiltrating Overwatch to slowly break it down from the inside.
dawn knot
and visa versa, going into the future
timid eagle
Speaking of, IF all goes well and Overwatch is reinstated, would Winston try to keep it a smaller, more focused outfit?
tawny swan
Probz
dense estuary
probably would focus it at first on dismantling Talon
probably with a minimized combat angle though, More using the resources OW still has in things like data collection to find key cash flow sources for Talon and cut those off.
For example I doubt Vishkar knows one of their execs is a lead in a global terrorist group. OW could pretty easy use that kind of information even to sway the megacorp itself against Talon. "Hey it would be pity if this data got to the satellite news networks".
valid shell
I still say it would be amazing if Sombra joined Winston's Overwatch as a new recruit.
Just. Aggressively undercover, and nobody's the wiser except us.
scenic siren
"I wonder how my friend is doing"
Hey
In Sombra's origin story
What do you think that "Eye" symbol is
pearl blade
It's speculated that it's the Iris but nobody really knows
valid shell
I don't see how it can be the Iris.
Other than they're both eye-related and that makes people's monkey brains get excited.
dapper quest
hanzo said "Expect nothing less." that must mean hes a ninja
sinful belfry
maybe the people behind the eye want to think of themselves as a higher deity, maybe that's why they choose that eye symbol that stands for the iris.
limpid agate
I prefer the theory that the Shambali faith and Sombra's conspiracy are both misunderstandings of the same entity.
peak escarp
an eye is an excellent symbol for a neutral observer
limpid agate
^
peak escarp
it totally matches Sombra's character to find out she's being watched and immediately jump to "this thing is hostile and wants to gather power"
because in her view, the only reason you gather knowledge is to exploit it somehow
dense estuary
Information is power, So someone wanting to hoover up gobs of information must want gobs of power. at least its a good theme
peak escarp
she doesn't think that anyone would want knowledge for the sake of knowledge
dense estuary
considering when some of her earlier hacking put her life at risk due to these people, At least that was my take. It seems maybe they want more than just knowledge
If you just want knowledge to know more knowledge you do not try and keep everyone else from the library.
peak escarp
how was her life put at risk? all we saw was the eye appearing on her screens
then she panics and gets a computer implanted in her spine
dense estuary
well she must have feared something to go totally underground. Maybe she knows the eye is connected to more than Blizzard has shown us
regal coyote
she DOES know it is mroe connected
but it seems the eye hacked her device from that one screen
the thing is, what is the agenda of the eye
some suggested it to bw neutral
sombra believe it to be evil
shambali believe it is neutral, on the good side
MAybe, the eye is like a distorted mirror, in the end it reflects back at you in the form of a warpped image
dawn knot
maybe the whole think was
symbolic
considering that most
entities that would do anything like that
in my mind
would just
find you out
collect it
without a trace
unlike it was something similar to an fbi warning
where it pops up, and it showing itself is a sign you're in trouble
like are there even fbi warnings?
i'd imagine there'd be
worldly herald
NObelium Uranium
worthy rose
Maybe the eye is the symbol of that omnic hacker from the zarya comic???
lavish laurel
Doubt it.
Sure, we don't know much about Lynx-17, except they have connections to Volskaya.
And that Volskaya has connections to Talon / other criminal organizations.
And that she uses Zarya as a muscle to erase anyone from the field that may harm her reputation, e.g. Sombra.
The Eye has to be bigger than that.
limpid agate
@lavish laurel A lot of that isn't exactly true.
Particularily, the Zarya part
Seemed like a one off job
Likewise, Lynx doesnt really have connections to Volskaya.
Wrong panel
frosty shell
That seems to suggest Volskaya does know Lynx
reef thicket
was that orisa thing
just like a little reference
or did zar interact with her and effi
frosty shell
just a reference
And it complicates the timeline
because it (presumably) means Zarya's been searching for months
limpid agate
That seems to suggest Volskaya does knowS OF Lynx
I know of a good artist you can hire, but I dont know them personally.
And they have no connection to me
They are also highly recommended
frosty shell
To me, it feels like Katya has contacts with Lynx at least
But she doesn't want to give it all away to Zarya
Maybe Volskaya purposely tried to send Zarya on a wild goose chase?
IDK
dawn knot
i also enjoy how
zarya does a little whisper in sombra's ear
to deliver her name
like imo the sombra from the short
would have shot her in the face before she got any close
that whole comic seemed silly to me
but oh well it's canon
subtle moss
The comics in general oft seem silly to be honest.
peak escarp
I find them to be serious most of the time
even Going Legit was serious
I think if we were given more information, Searching would make sense
like, how long she was searching for, if she took any breaks, where else she looked - I feel like there's more there that the comic doesn't show
dawn knot
i mean it makes sense
but the way things play out sometimes
seem silly
perhaps they are
exaggerations of what actually happened
i mean they are
presented as straight up canon
and some comics are more serious than others
but when silly things happen i choose to take it as exaggeration
just me tho
dire timber
@limpid agate I mean, Volskaya did seem to have worked with Lynx previously
the "highly recommended" part, the part where Lynx is familiar with Volskaya
but yeah, I wish there was some kind of reasonable explanation for why Searching went the way it did
regal coyote
well for one them peole in volks should ahve known Zarya good enough to give him advice of "dress casual" and act less like a bull in a china store when asking around
that and i notice that crazy efi is actually all dolled up walking in the streets like that, which is strange.
I mean it is cool to do so in special occasion yes, but it is kinda like dressing up in full banquet gown and allthe get ups in a morning stride.
To top it off youc an see the rest of the poepl in the city is pretty casual.
(and a shimbali monk in streets maybe)
frosty shell
also, they never explain why Zarya didn't just go to Mexico
peak escarp
she did eventually
but Sombra spoke Spanish and has a Spanish name
Katya's first instructions should have been "check all the Spanish-speaking countries"
regal coyote
no kidding
or maybe zarya chooses that route so she can travel a bit with company's money
she may just wanna collect teddy bears
frosty shell
It's pretty obvious Sombra's from Mexico too given her hacking of the Mexican company
My theory is Zarya was checking all the places Sombra hacked to try and find out more about where she might strike next
It's not impossible that Volskaya didn't know that Dorado was the base for Los Muertos
So Volskaya perhaps wanted to trap Sombra? Maybe she thought Sombra would figure out Zarya was trying to find her and lure her out
Maybe Sombra actually spoke Russian to Katya in Infiltration and we didn't know?
dawn knot
it's hilarious how sombra was found in the first place
considering how inept zarya is with that sorta thing
i mean she's a soldier not a detective
sombra had a little base and everything
that's not laying low at all
frosty shell
I doubt many people know that that's Sombra's base
Why Volskaya would send Zarya isn't that unreasonable - she might be the only person she trusts
dawn knot
fair enough
frosty shell
I'm guessing many of the people Zarya interviewed were Sombra's targets
pine temple
peak escarp
(I was making a joke)
dawn knot
(i'm like dumb sry)
peak escarp
I was also poking fun at people who say there's no lore
dawn knot
ah
limpid agate
Its because she is a figure skater
So hardlight skates
On a figure skater
Make sense
reef thicket
the new skins this evnet look super medicore tbf
most are just like.. some winter wear
limpid agate
That's not why I dont like them