Winston since he kinda started the story of Overwatch
#lore-discussion
heady fern
and Sombra I feel is really good since she can really side with anyone and has a lot of potential and areas where she can have ties with almost all the characters
lean silo
@timid eagle Pretty sure tracer was the first hero tested
they even showed it in a dev video
torb was in really early concept art though iirc
peak escarp
Reaper's design was among the earliest too
his look, abilities and name haven't changed since the original pitch
pure kernel
I like Spec Ops
willow python
According to that picture I think jumper was the first character tested. 🤣
peak escarp
they showed some footage from early development last year at Blizzcon
Tracer was the first one they developed, then Reaper, Widowmaker and Pharah
reef thicket
Ngl that juggernaught conecpt could be a cool idea for a talon tank
Hero
I mean they already sorta did use that concept in the talon heavy assault
Also longshot looks badass
But that prob became widow
dire timber
@peak escarp "deploy 3 sentries"
funny how the rework made Symmetra more like the original concept
rather than less
timid eagle
A lot of Brigitte’s kit was taken from concepts of a Titan character they had.
Specifically shield bash and chain whip.
quasi fern
I can see how juggernaut resembles rein a lot, though it is modified quite a bit
timid eagle
Rein is interesting, as he probably went through the most design changes, despite the concept of a large character wielding a shield and melee weapon was the only thing that stayed consistent.
quasi fern
I don’t quite recognize “assassinate” as anything that could be in hanzo or genji
timid eagle
Well, keep in mind that the Super Ninja Bros. were once one and the same.
And that hero went through a lot of different designs.
valid shell
@timid eagle Wilderbeast got split into Reinhardt, Orisa, and Brigitte.
dire timber
@quasi fern it was instant kill under certain circumstances
particularly from behind, I think?
I'm not sure
dawn knot
i wonder if there is any room for another team shooter to come up with enough unique ideas to be up in the ranks of overwatch and tf2
i think with just two there now even though they share some concepts, the ideas are spread thin
concerning weapons and kits and all that
granted any new game would have to most likely revolutionize something
anyways that's just my off topic wondering
back to the lore stuff i guess
limpid agate
Devs say Echo is not hero 30
Devs say the actual hero 30 is a permanent playable addition to their in house builds
"What if they're lying or plans changed, and Echo is hero 30"
Overwatch forums make me thankful this channel exists.
peak escarp
now you know my pain
Devs say Echo isn't related to Athena
"So I think Echo is a clone of Athena"
someone even said Orisa and Athena had the same VA
both VAs are black women, so thinking that might be a little racist
limpid agate
I know your pain, I've been in that same discussion
I have replies in that same thread.
peak escarp
at least that person realized their error and deleted their comment
limpid agate
Worst part is I still dont have image posting perms for some reason
Or even just link postin
peak escarp
I just stick links in a code block
and link images on Imgur
it's messy but it works
vestal pelican
would rather long shot model over widow any day
limpid agate
A what? @vestal pelican
Longshot just looks like sci-fi Sylvanas
Pants, midriff, cleavage, tiny top, shoulderpads, gloves, sniper, blue.
The only difference is, Longshot has underboob instead.
And a helmet instead of a hood
sturdy fable
Wait why are we talking about underboob
limpid agate
Someone said they would prefer Longshot
Over Widowmaker
I'm saying she is literally Sci-Fi Sylvanas with two differences.
The direction of the cleavage, and the headgear.
peak escarp
reading through an old forum post about who knows Reyes is Reaper
"Mercy not knowing is impossible, unless the whole her bringing him back thing is completely misunderstood, altered, or erased and replaced lore-wise."
I hope this person found out the truth
"For all we know, maybe someone else used her tech to revive him. Probably someone from Talon, they created Widowmaker so why not Reaper?"
speculation from March 2017 - this guy had it right
reef thicket
we dont need more sylvanas' in blizzard games
she'll probably burn something down in overwatch too
like she does in wow
timid eagle
Yeah, being a pyro makes more sense than Sylvanas being an archer.
dire timber
I don't follow
peak escarp
apparently Reflections is a non-canon cutsie fluff comic because it doesn't "advance the plot or address the past"
by that standard, most of the comics and a few of the shorts should be non-canon
peak escarp
just stupid people on the forums
young crow
Then that's not official, Reflections is still canon, unlesd we have some official info from blizz.
dire timber
yeah
I think the only piece of lore with contentious canonity could be The Plan
but even that ended up getting reaffirmed by other material in some way
regal coyote
actually the only piece with unsure canon is the blizzardworld thing
dire timber
I mean
the in-universe Blizzard trailer is definitely canon
whether Tracer and others really watched it on TV though... that one's not really certain.
young crow
Well that has to be the same as some skins, I mean, I can't see Reaper working on a Mariachi costume, not canon at all, just for fun i guess.
peak escarp
most of the skins are non-canon
some have been seen in canon sources, so I'd count those
young crow
Yeah, that's what i said, has to be the same with Blizzworld trailer, non-canon stuff just for fun.
peak escarp
gotcha
limpid agate
@young crow Blizzardworld Trailer is in canon limbo
Unlike Reflections, which is 100% canon.
Its in a questionable place, because it came out during the year where all the trailers came with lore.
Horizon Lunar Colony trailer, Junkertown trailer, and then that one.
Plus we also got lore in some hero trailers too, like Brigitte's, whose trailer confirms she joined Overwatch with Reinhardt.
And the map is canon.
timid eagle
Some people see Blizzard World as the company stroking its own sausage, but I see it as a pleasant tribute.
subtle moss
I see it as both.
Esoecially from a company that makes about as many games as Valve.
timid eagle
Eh, I don’t see either as a bad thing. At least Butcher Roadhog and Barbarian Zarya are a thing.
mystic summit
ahh freshmeat
timid eagle
And the heroes say various things on the map, such as Tracer and Brigitte itching to go on some of the rides. Hanzo, naturally, has no time for such trivial pursuits.
mystic summit
hog needs a freshmeat voiceline
subtle moss
Hog needs a simple geometry voiceline
I would actually pay a small amount of real dollars for that microtransaction
timid eagle
Zarya also needs the following for her Barbarian skins:
“Gaining Fury.” when charging, and an On-Fire voice line “Bul-Katho’s guides my hand!”
subtle moss
It would have been even more perfect if it existed for 1.0
You know the kill taunts heroes sometimes say
limpid agate
@mystic summit I think he has one in that skin
subtle moss
Like Genji calls you an idiot
mystic summit
well now i need that skin
subtle moss
Hog needs a "simple geometry, hahaha" set to trigger after hook kills
Which heroes lack a map for their country, by the way? Doom, Torb, Mercy
mystic summit
symmetra is a noticeable one
subtle moss
Lucio?
subtle moss
Isn't Numbani in India?
Oh, Africa
I sorta consider Oasis hers tbh
Anyway, the point os that a part of why blizzard world might kinda feel sausage jerky is that instead of AWESOME night time map in Lucio's city (maybe like a glowy cyberpunk Junkertown if Junkertown didn't look like crap)
We get Blizzard theme park
mystic summit
cyberpunk map when
limpid agate
@subtle moss Doomfist is missing a map, although he does have Numbani and Rialto.
Other heroes with no maps are Symmetra, Torbjorn and Brigitte, Lucio, and Mercy.
subtle moss
The european ones might get lumped in a bit with eichenwalde
I want Lucio's the most to be honest.
peak escarp
my ideal map for that is a payload map that travels from colourful favelas with lively music into a sterile, clean Vishkar city centre
the payload could be Lucio's DJ gear
subtle moss
You mean his dad's?
Lucio is half Vishkar already iirc
If it was being brought to Vishkar it'd have to be dad's.
peak escarp
was his dad a DJ?
if the payload is going to be Lucio's DJ gear maybe the map should go the other way
peak niche
We have Blizzard World because people since beta have been posting on the forums and reddit asking for skins that make them look like characters from other blizzard games
limpid agate
The european ones might get lumped in a bit with eichenwalde
Rein and Bastion are already lumped in that @subtle moss
The Swedes and Mercy have nothing to do with Germany as a country
@mystic summit The favelas/Vishkar
lean prawn
a payload map that goes from colourful residences to a clean facility
kind of like Dorado?
peak escarp
Dorado might have influenced me subconsiously
but I'd still like to see it as a payload map
lean prawn
i'd like to see an area right in the middle of development
a construction site where you transport vishkar equipment in rio
dire timber
@limpid agate Lucio has the Rio map, kinda
it's a Lucioball map though
@peak escarp if Rio becomes a payload map, it would go from favelas to Vishkar city centre
cause it's a pattern for the payload to go towards larger structures
in King's Row and Dorado, it's the power station
in Numbani, it's the museum
in Eichenwalde, it's the castle
in Gibraltar, it's the launch platform
in Rialto, it's the mansion
flint briar
Wouldn't breaking the pattern be a good thing tho?
dire timber
in this case? not really.
flint briar
I think a heist themed payload map would be cool. Getting something important from somewhere big to one of those ship things or something
heady fern
I’ve kinda thought of Gibraltar as a Mercy and Tracer map
limpid agate
@heady fern Mercy might have never been at Gibraltar. Tracer was only known to be there for Christmas.
It is the defacto headquarters of new Overwatch though
Because its where Winston operates, and he is the defacto leader
So Tracer will return.
But it is very much Winston's map
desert yacht
What base was used in uprising?
heady fern
pretty sure there was a medical room at gibraltar at least
timid eagle
A map that takes place in Torb’s home in Sweden would be cool. Seeing Torb’s workshop (and a small space for Brigitte to tinker with her equipment) and the rooms of his family would be great.
dawn knot
might be too small
though perhaps he has a big place considering all the stuff he's probably invented
doesn't strike me as the money type of guy though
dawn knot
i would imagine still not big enough for a map
but hey
the castle wm has is a lot smaller than an actual mansion
and obviously not laid like one
perhaps there could be a little stretching or squashing of torb's actual home for the sake of a map
who knows
valid shell
@timid eagle Ironclad workshop would be more interesting.
uneven skiff
what
i played ashe in deathmatch once for fun and won first place
im horrible at her wtf
30 min playtime
wind escarp
same here
dire timber
... that said, I'm not sure we'd get the Lindholm household. we didn't exactly get D.va/Tracer/Rein homes with Busan/King's Row/Eichenwalde
uneven skiff
oops wrong channel lmao
iron plume
well the thing with those is
d.va and tracer's personal homes aren't that interesting storywise
and rein's isn't necessarily in eichenwalde even
whereas the lindholms' would have their workshop
and thus at least little bits of their story and brig's "creation"
and potentially even stuff about Torb's creation of the old omnics
regal coyote
i dont see how some people's peronal home would be related to the story unless it is deliberatelyw orked in, but ironclad guild workshop is for sure interesting and can be story related
I dotn thinkw e will get tracer's apartment playable, this is not a romance-action doujin game afterall
D.Va dorm rooms is interesting for what it is, but nothing mroe really. it just proves the powerranger team are mostly gamers
and she leaves garbage everywhere like a gremlin
rein i think he is likely homeless
he would be with his trailer, traveling and saving the world his own way, until he gets recalled
dire timber
@iron plume ah, yeah, Rein wasn't from Eichewalde
we only know that Balderich was
and we know for sure he doesn't live there right now, they got that van of theirs
and yeah, good point
dense estuary
the comic at least made me think Rein and Briggitte cruise around in that RV bringing justice to bad folks where normal justice cannot be bothered to help people.
regal coyote
yes at least they did for some time
but last animation we know rein is going to answer the recall
ans since we know brig is gonna gear up we know she is tagging along at least
worthy rose
o v e r w a t c h i s a n a n i m e
valid shell
@worthy rose Source?
worthy rose
[mr.printer] has been summoned
quasi fern
Where’s jewvia
worthy rose
dunno
cedar moon
Who has the most money
iron plume
Maximillien
of heroes, hard to say. Doomfist and Torb are good candidates
Lucio and D.va have celebrity money, Moira is a highly paid professional, and Sombra likely hacks up as much as she needs too
but Doomfist has inheritance of his prosthetics company and ruling of Talon, and Torb is an engineer whose designs are still massively widely used, and his Ironclad guild is still active
peak escarp
Ashe could probably access her parents' money
valid shell
Widowmaker might be pretty well off, although we don't know how much of her wealth is frozen or liquified into Talon.
peak escarp
plus whatever loot the gang has picked up
valid shell
I've seen the fully stocked wine cellar.
iron plume
and either way it's not liquid assets
yeah those can stay there a while lol
I don't think Ashe has her parents' money
doubt they'd want to give any now that she's gone into crime (again?)
nor that she'd want their help anyway
and her own wealth from deadlock is probably sizeable, but not on a level of an international company
timid eagle
I will say that Hanzo is the poorest, as he’s a homeless ronin.
limpid agate
The poorest, or the poorest human?
Hanzo is still a mercenary that has a potential source of income.
limpid agate
McCree is probably in a worse place than Hanzo, financially
And Genji probably has no need for money.
dense estuary
Junk rat when not fresh off a heist
I’d imagine he does not exactly save his pennies
Would be interesting to know how Winston and Tracer pay the bills. Though given his intelligence I bet Winston holds a few patents allowing funding of operations even though the UN likely froze official OW accounts.
Though I bet OW has more than a few “unknown “ accounts. Like intel agencies do.
dawn knot
loote.
naive bolt
Do Omnics have dicks?
valid shell
We don't know.
desert yarrow
Doubt it
peak escarp
what
dreamy wagon
Bastion is Pharah's dad, you didn't know that?
peak escarp
shitposting will result in loss of access
peak escarp
no it isn't
omnics are incapable of biological reproduction
we know who Pharah's father is
dreamy wagon
How do you know
peak escarp
peak escarp
if you don't know why would you make claims?
this channel is for serious lore discussion, not random shitposts you find on Tumblr
valid shell
Always funny when people pop in to drop a funny goof for some cheap laughs, and then panic when they're put on the spot.
dreamy wagon
Yeah it is
worthy rose
I feel bad for Reinhardt and his daughter. Last Germans alive.
is ana’s trick or treat spray her and pharah or ana as a child, I honestly can’t tell
valid shell
@worthy rose Reinhardt doesn't have a daughter.
Brigitte is a Lindholm.
And Germany still very much exists.
worthy rose
im wondering why the coast od brazil and florida look like the saharah from the moonbase area when u look at earth
peak escarp
deforestation
worthy rose
wait what
limpid agate
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
worthy rose
well fuck me then you have the answers for everything
peak escarp
yep
worthy rose
torbs other daughter
limpid agate
We have never seen his other children
worthy rose
lies
limpid agate
Just his grandchildren and Brigitte
limpid agate
If you want serious answers, ask serious questions.
peak escarp
Twitter
limpid agate
@worthy rose Serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch, final warning.
worthy rose
ok
limpid agate
If you want to make jokes, go to #general-discussion
worthy rose
whos pharas dad and anas husband
peak escarp
Michael Chu has said that those children are Torbjorn's grandchildren no less than 6 times on Twitter
worthy rose
k
peak escarp
Pharah's father is a man named Sam, but it's unknown if he was ever married to Ana
since Pharah has Ana's last name, not Sam's
worthy rose
oh
are mercy and moira sworn rivals or just not friends
because i saw that somewhere in a lore vid
peak escarp
it's unknown if Mercy and Moira have ever met in person
dense estuary
I thought they did since Moira did work with BW which was part of OW
peak escarp
they certainly know each other by reputation (and we haven't been told their opinions of each other)
worthy rose
oh
peak escarp
BW was a subsection of OW, but they didn't work together
Moira's employment was a secret
worthy rose
that would mean mercy wouldnt know the only people to know is reyes,morrison, genji, moira, sombra and i thnk thats it
peak escarp
Sombra?
Reyes knows because he hired her, Genji and McCree know because they worked with her
worthy rose
yeah in a comic she was programming genji to be in blackwatch and other things
peak escarp
not an official comic
dense estuary
And afaik she’s only working with them for the money
To fund her bigger personal search
peak escarp
Morrison only knew about Moira being in Blackwatch after she was exposed during the Venice Incident (Retribution)
Sombra probably does know that Moira was part of Blackwatch, but that's because Sombra Knows Things™
pearl blade
Is there anything outside of the thing in the middle of her web that sombra doesn't know?
peak escarp
McCree wasn't on her original web, but does appear on a screen in her base on Castillo
maybe after seeing him at the bar at Christmas she went and looked him up
dire timber
@peak escarp that Ingrid picture really needs to be changed to her Brigitte Origins picture
better quality
peak escarp
tell Jewvia - he manages Gamepedia
although the image from Brigitte origins is smaller
dire timber
@worthy rose Moira respects Mercy's work, but thinks little of Mercy's moralistic attitude
limpid agate
I dont like the glare.
dire timber
Mercy, on the other hand, is disgusted by Moira's unethical methods
@limpid agate what glare?
peak escarp
yeah, the one from Reflections is sharper/clearer
dire timber
her face looks way less weird though
peak escarp
I still think they're related somehow . . . maybe cousins, or Angela is her niece
dire timber
... what if she's Mercy's aunt? 
dire timber
synchronized thoughts
but yeah, Ingrid could be a sister to one of the Zeiglers
... on the other hand
valid shell
Bleh, I wouldn't wanna give people any more reason to confuse Switzerland and Sweden.
dire timber
what is the origin of that name, "Ingrid"?
peak escarp
inb4 we're told that Ingrid's maiden name is Zeigler
peak escarp
it's Swedish, Norwegian and German
Angela comes from the German-speaking part of Switzerland
dawn knot
i've never seen half the characters smile before
i wonder what their teeth are like
idk if this is a weird thing to wonder about ngl
but they should all have canonically different teeth like
real people
ik in game there are probably just two
white plates within the model that
show slightly when a line is uttered
but idk i feel like the shorts can show us more
peak escarp
yeah, it's simplified for the game models
worthy rose
where does brig get her brown hair from
dawn knot
recessive genes
worthy rose
can’t be dyed seemed like she was born with it
peak escarp
the simple version of hair genetics is: there are 2 hair colour genes
one for black/brown/blonde, and another for red
you can get red hair from two blonde parents if both parents pass on the recessive red gene, which will overwrite the blonde hair
so if Ingrid is bb Rr (blonde, not red) and Torbjorn is bb Rr (blonde, not red), Brigitte could be bb rr (blonde, red)
dire timber
@peak escarp huh, so she could be Swiss as well
peak escarp
possibly
dire timber
based on the name
peak escarp
huh
"Auburn hair is common among people of northern and western European descent, as well as North Africans, but it is rare elsewhere. Auburn hair occurs most frequently in the following regions: Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Ireland, Scotland, England, Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Poland, north Iberia and Russia. "
timid eagle
@peak escarp Of course Torbjorn has a fucking photo of his turret in a London Drugs-style family photo.
dawn knot
i doubt that much is actually considered canonical like
unless that turret was like
the first thing he ever made
perhaps
timid eagle
Well, you know how much he adores his turret.
peak escarp
is there a picture of Sven on their wall?
limpid agate
The pictures of the turret are canon. They're in Brig Origins
peak escarp
timid eagle
It’s hard to say. I though that was a photo of an old relative.
peak escarp
could be him ~20 years ago
timid eagle
True.
timid eagle
Also, it’s hilarious that Jack is the only one from the original strike team that has a receding hairline.
Torb and Rein have amazing hair/beards.
peak escarp
Reyes's doesn't look too bad
but I don't think Morrison's hair is receding - it was just always like that
(or maybe it's just bad art 😛 )
makes me think of my brother's hairline 😛
I was going to say Sombra is the only hero who dyes her hair, but then I remembered Zarya
plus Genji used to
so Ashe has an elimination line that has always confused me
"Squid needs more seasoning"
I figured it had to be biker slang, and I was right
Twitter
oh boy
which makes more sense: assuming something is canon until it's proved to not be canon, or assuming something is not canon until it is proven that it is canon?
limpid agate
Depends on what it is
Gameplay is non-canon until proven otherwise
Details from interactions are canon until proven otherwise
Same with dev comments from people who are not Chu
peak escarp
I have taken too many courses on discourse and debates for this
(also can this person learn not to double post?)
I don't know why it matters so much that Lucio's healing has to be real
nothing about his character in the lore (from what little we know) points to him being capable of healing
I want to point out that you can't actually "turn into shadow" because shadows are the absence of light and have no physical properties, but I'm tired of arguing
limpid agate
Stop feeding him with arguments, he has just been passively dismissing things because he didn't like 1 part of a 3 part discussion. Put him on the defensive instead.
dire timber
what the fuck
is he talking about
with the time travel stuff
also, @peak escarp I like "turns into dark smoke" as an explanation
it's not exactly smoke in a literal sense
weary turtle
But didnt lucio "steal" the sound thecnology from vishkar? Id assume it could canonically have some healing abilityes
Or if not what would be so special about it?
iron plume
it was used by vishkar to suppress people
protesting and going against them, likely with some kind of demoralizing effect
lucio instead uses it to inspire
weary turtle
Neat
Although it could technically have other properties too if the writers ever want to confirm those :P
dire timber
@weary turtle you'd assume wrong
sonic tech has a psychological effect first and foremost
Vishkar used it for crowd control
Lucio, on the other hand, repurposed it to inspire people
the speed/healing gameplay is really just a representation of whether his music is motivating or soothing at the time
inland lichen
so wait does lucio have legs or are his legs prosthetic beacuse ive heard both
iron plume
he does have legs
lone latch
Why does he have cybernetics?
ashen rover
maybe because he stole those skaters from Vishkar
and they kinda extend over his legs ( ? )
iron plume
he doesn't have cybernetics
the source of that rumor is the way his joints look in-game
but that's an artistic liberty with the 3d models
same with pharah
regal coyote
no cybernetics as far as no rombot limbs goes
so both hanzo/lucio/pharah have real limbs
though hanzo ahve weak ass ankles
valid shell
I'd be fine with Lucio being paralyzed.
regal coyote
it is good either way really
also we know there is a wheelchair used in liging tower
part of me thinks wheelchair users in overwatch is stupid af though.
I mean with the tech they have it is easy to have mechanical mobility support much more efficient than a wheelchair
but i guess if the said person is only in a deskjob capacity a wheelchair may be more comfy
valid shell
Exactly what I think Lucio's exo-legs might be.
I feel that paralyzed characters don't appear much in media anymore. There was a big push in the late 90's, with every group of cartoon teens having one in a wheelchair, but we don't see that anymore.
Only notable character I can remember is, what. Jake Sully from Avatar?
inland lichen
hopefully the next cinimatic is lucio or mercy one
if its a lucio one we will prob know
peak escarp
I doubt it
I think his skates are just skates
on several skins they're reduced to just below the knee - sure those skins might not be canon, but why take away something if he needs it to walk?
some of his (non-canon) sprays show his legs bare too
valid shell
Could be a lighter rig under his clothes.
peak escarp
that's reaching
representation is about visibility - nobody cares about characters with invisible disabilities
valid shell
Then all the amputees should just have stumps?
dire timber
I seriously doubt the idea that Lucio is paralyzed
peak escarp
@valid shell no, but everyone who has prosthetics clearly shows it
McCree even lacks a sleeve over his metal arm
it's incorporated into their design, not hidden away and disguised as something else
valid shell
People weren't sure if Torb and Symmetra just had mechanical gauntlets/gloves until it was hard confirmed.
Dunno why Lucio needs to be any less obfuscated.
peak escarp
people didn't think Torb's claw arm was a prosthetic?
valid shell
Eyup.
And thought his eye was just a scouter.
People still argue about how much of Genji is meat.
peak escarp
people are weird
regal coyote
well the genji one is kinda understandable
but mostly as said he is quite naked in his blackwatch skin
obvious exception being he still has a face that is udner mask
and for obvious reason blizz is not going to let his bare ass and his dingdong showing so those are udner his metal bikini brief also
valid shell
Didn't stop them from confirming he has a dong.
peak escarp
why is everyone so hung up on that?
valid shell
Because it's fucking weird.
peak escarp
it's not like Chu volunteered the information
he was answering an interviewer's question
and he didn't specify any parts, he just said "lower body"
it's not like he said "oh by the way Genji still has his penis"
limpid agate
I thought it was a response to a question if he was functional on the forum
iron plume
it wasn't on the forum, it was some gaming magazine
regal coyote
a magazine type interview ask chu since it was a big thing at soem forums at the time
so yeah chu said that he is functional
but in the language the magazine is published "lower body" is a way to imply his toolset
i guess him having his toolset is extremely important to those fanfic people for obvious reason
a guy without it is pretty useless in those
peak escarp
it was a Thai magazine/website iirc
iron plume
This whole "Chu wanted to mention genji's dick" meme is honestly on the "common misconception" level of wrong and annoying
peak escarp
agreed
here's the article
it's in Thai
so translation is also an issue
I did find one useful quote in the translation
Michael Chu & Renaud Galand :(laughs) It's not magic.```Chu also mentions JQ's hair being blue
(this is from Blizzcon 2017, so before we got the Hammond spray with blue hair JQ)
regal coyote
- How much will we be able to see the Omnic character come into play in addition to Zenyatta?
Michael Chu: There is a good chance that Omnic is a very important species in the world. Overwatch. Maybe a Buffyatta. Have you ever seen a parody?
Renaud Galand: Actually! In the book of Art of Ovewatch, Zenyatta sketch is looking at me now.
Note that while it is a joke, the text "Buffyatta" is not a translation thing.
So, might mean soemthing like a hunter type of omnic?
am only reading this in google translate
so might be bad translation, if anyone actually read thai can help
dense estuary
I still connect the dragons possibly being related somehow to hard light, With the main problem in that theory being they pass through walls. Though its possible the passing through walls and doing damage i purely gameplay mechanics
I do not remember them ever going through walls and being effective in any shorts, the one where he fought Genji they were on the same balcony.
regal coyote
hardlight, nano, etc
peak escarp
hard light or some other form of tangible energy
dense estuary
either is possible considering the tech level of the setting
regal coyote
also this is not a hard science fiction setting
regal coyote
as long as it is defined as science it is ok, just like tracer's blinking
it is science, even though it is effy science
dense estuary
As for where Shimada would get hardlight, Simple... its not exclusive to Vishkar. Vishkar just has it far more progressed than other operations.
dire timber
yep
peak escarp
Vishkar is just the specialists . . . they're like Apple - other companies make tech hardware, but that's the one everyone knows
dense estuary
Hard Light is of course in that iffy science category but it follows the rules of good scifi in that it slots into its setting smoothly.
peak escarp
it makes sense within the established rules of the OW universe
dense estuary
does not feel out of place if you were to see things from the view of someone living in the setting
peak escarp
yeah
regal coyote
difference in apple/vishkar is that vishkar actually seem to do ti much ebtter than any known company
dense estuary
Lots of people launch orbital rockets but only SpaceX lands them
regal coyote
so while apple is mostly based on brand building vishkar actually ahve some kind of tech advantage
dire timber
hard-light is hardly exclusive to Vishkar
and, more than anything, Vishkar specializes in light solidification
dense estuary
they might have the exclusive technology for habitable structures.
(for now)
A good way to see it is maybe they have a way to fix the light in place so that once something is built it no longer requires constant power.
where as say a shield like what Rein has eventually fails because maintaining it requires constant input of power.
regal coyote
more like they have a cutting edge ability to make permannt hardlight structure
not exclusive but they do it good and fast
regal coyote
Well think about it )R14s is a police unit, but they decend from OR14 which is 100% a kill-bot
so bastion might be at first a police unit, but they might have decended from some even mroe deadly proto-variant
i am not sying a bastion with forcefield, btu there might ahve been a bastion with forcefield
dense estuary
removed for balance reasons but that said it would honestly not be lore incompatible to say a model with it existed
(gameplay balance reasons that is)
could even be that the shield generator was adding a lot of extra mfg costs and time to something that was supposed to be a fairly expendable unit
valid shell
I know they're almost wholly gameplay abstractions, but I do like trying to explain hero reworks in lore.
Like how Hanzo phased out scatter arrows because when he's living off the grid without his clan backing him, it's not cost-effective to use one-use ammunition that explodes.
peak escarp
Symmetra's rework brings her closer to her abilities in the comic
dense estuary
Shes someone id love to know more about, We have a comic but I kinda feel she needs a short too
frosty shell
Hanzo still uses scatter arrows in lore I'm pretty sure
peak escarp
I'd like to see more of her struggle between doing what she's told and doing what's right
dense estuary
we saw that crack forming in the comic
peak escarp
she's the most interesting character from a motivational standpoint
just how far does her obedience go?
dense estuary
we would have to know more of her, We do know she was pretty young when Vishkar "recruited" her
regal coyote
remember she is completely brainwashed
dense estuary
more to what I am getting at if she was raised for most of her life by Vishkar and educated by them there could be a lot of programming in there that is pro-company
dire timber
@valid shell Hanzo was always able use both post- and pre-rework abilities tbh
regal coyote
not in the drugs and robot widow kinda sense
dire timber
rapid arrow shooting was there in Dragons as well
regal coyote
but she is taught in vishkar ideology and indoctinated with that ideals
peak escarp
it's more like indoctrination than brainwashing (although I guess those are basically the same thing)
valid shell
Would love a Symmetra secret agent short.
regal coyote
basically sym's moral compus is the facade version of vishkar's ideal, ignoring the hypocracy in reality
so yeah unless things go really south she aint going to switch side
she might admit there are darker things happening, but easioly brush off as necessary evil, as a means to the end
dense estuary
We also do not know what other holds they have beyond how they raised her, Is she paid in a normal currency(credits, rupees, dollars, Euros, etc) or does Vishkar work like an old industrial revolution era PA mining town where the company has its own thing. that could certainly impact ability to think against the firm.
regal coyote
money is rarely a problem though for sym
i mean she is a WORLD CLASS FAMOUS architech
yeah she can find a job like snap if she wants to
valid shell
Unless Vishkar blackballs her.
regal coyote
even then she can easily find job in a slightly lower tier competitor company
which means lots
cinsider msot know vishkar is not too clean, and most smller companies are dying to get any person that can upgrade their own ability
valid shell
Unless hiring an ex-Vishkar means they'd be in danger.
regal coyote
trust me many bigger companies would take the risk
like, think about what a company like doomfish's company can gain having soemoen like sym on the R&D team
or helix
or... you get it
and those guys are big enough where even vishkar would nto want a all out stealth war with, not over a lost agent
and cinsider vishkar is soemwhat pampering sym it does mean she is exceptional, not just a bit good bur reallye xceptional
valid shell
Symmetra going to Doomfist's company (Apex?) would just be her changing hands inside Talon.
Which actually could be interesting.
regal coyote
yes... that is just an example. and sym would not have known that :3
valid shell
Some infighting in Talon.
Is Doomfist's company called Apex?
Or did I imagine that?
reef thicket
i was wondering
is there a reason doomfist gains shield when fighting
or is it purely gameplay mechanics
so he doesnt die instantly when running around fisting people
reef thicket
well
it makes more sense for wrecking ball
since hes a mech
doomfist is just
doomfist
a black guy with a big fist
theres no real reason he should get shields
but yeah its probably because hes a dive hero
he'd prob just fall over if he didnt have that passive
i wonder.. if sombra is able to disable all of doomfists stuff in lore like she is able to do ingame couldn't she fucking destroy him? xD
valid shell
Doomfist is heavily augmented.
No reason to think he doesn't have something that collects and converts the kinetic recoil from his punches into a personal shield.
reef thicket
yeah it would make sense to have something of that sort in lore seeing as how he 3v1ed genji tracer and winston
and while genji and tracer were unloading bullets / shrukiens into him he barely flinched
valid shell
And the Doomfist is a one-of-a-kind artifact, I doubt Sombra has scripts that would work on hacking it.
worldly flax
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worldly flax
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peak escarp
I think Sombra's hacking is a lot less useful for combat in the lore
reef thicket
well
hacking people
maybe
but hacking the enviroment around her seems to be very useful
as seen in the infiltration cinematicx
valid shell
And Hammond's shields are probably repurposed from his escape pod, reactive barriers for reentering the atmosphere.
peak escarp
she wouldn't do much to someone like McCree or Ana or Widowmaker, who don't have any computerized parts on them
valid shell
Does it have wifi?
peak escarp
maybe, but he doesn't shoot with that arm
widow doesn't need infrasight to shoot either
peak escarp
I'm not sure a prosthetic arm would be hackable anyway
reef thicket
dunno
i mean
afterall
"Everything can be hacked. and everyone"
xD
jk thatt line prob isnt even canon
just like all her voicelines in ow
reef thicket
ye
regal coyote
most likely sombra would say thigns like that
but hacking someone does not mean you hack their brain or soemthing
it can just be sombra hacking their shcial media account and post dicks everywhere, or buy free pizza with their hacked online creditcard and the similar things
regal coyote
also there is a range for her hacking, and in the cinematic it seems she has to be in almost touching rage
i doubt it is safe to go touch mccree during a fight
reef thicket
lmfao
mcree is shooting somewhere
suddenly sombra comes up and just hugs him
"Hacked"
regal coyote
and game mechanics is different, no one would dare to ahck a gorilla from getting angry, wont work in lore
granted, winston's mind is not completely natural, so it might be suspectable to some hacking.
peak escarp
but for omnics, getting hacked is devastating (as we saw with Lynx)
regal coyote
though that would require one to put their hand on a gorilla's head, not a good lifechoice
probably would work on all omnic given time
we see sombra hacking even the russian robot on the fly
so yeah lots of things are hackable
peak escarp
but hacking wouldn't stop Ashe from throwing her dynamite or using her other gun, for example
she's probably a better example than McCree
she's very low tech
peak escarp
yeah
heady fern
so what can be hacked?
regal coyote
seems like msot tech can be hacked
we know she can take over a building's security completely
we know she an t least hack giant robots on the fly
and she can hack an omnic, even prehack it and activate it at will
heady fern
vishkar, talon, overwatch, all omnics, hard light constructs (maybe?), payloads...
heady fern
yeah I wans't sure about those
regal coyote
but she cannot hack a permanent block frome xisting
regal coyote
remember hacking works on programmed system, so yeah
heady fern
that would require your team to go near the payload though
heady fern
a speed increase woudn't matter
regal coyote
on topic for that, in lore she might be able to hack it really, but it would at best make things move in top speed?
regal coyote
not much help really
heady fern
I'm saying on certain payloads she might
reef thicket
its shown in the solider cinematic
heady fern
but idk what hacking them would gain
regal coyote
i wish there can be bikes and horses in game
like character can ride those so they reach combat faster.
reef thicket
still dont get why we're emping an entire city of omnics in kings row
👌
and that would probably cause
alot of problems
regal coyote
can make it so they can only ride it when spawned, and any action or being hit would disable it\
reef thicket
seeing as killing someone is good because you've removed that person from the fight for atleast 20 - 30s if mercy doesnt ress that person
reef thicket
it would be terrible if everyone had vehicles they can ride back to the fight instantly
regal coyote
think the emp would kill the omnics
so killing lots of toasters, sounds fun to me
wont be instant though, a horse is not instant
regal coyote
it is only "move faster"
reef thicket
thats still bad
the run back is something that was done on purpose
if u could get back to the fight quickly it would be pointless killing people
because they'd be back super soon lmao
regal coyote
not really, longer respawn time, problem solved
reef thicket
...
just no
its fine as it is
if u want mounts or stuff like that come play wow
regal coyote
or hots or ... oh, there is that overwatch clone that has that
reef thicket
paladins
regal coyote
yeah
have tos ay their bomb king is kinda fun though
but a mount would look cool in game and good for new skins items in terms of cosmetics, but also good for soem game mode where the boring run is quicker
also, really want that ashe/mccree bike (the real reason i suggest thee whole thing)
peak escarp
they'll never add that
reef thicket
^
vehicles will never be added
the game is already in a fucked up state
we dont need vehicles to fuck it up even more
regal coyote
add it as a victory pose then
regal coyote
*Project Titans
valid shell
@regal coyote It will be a highlight intro if anything.
dense estuary
I dunno if an MMO could work but I could see a prequel game built like an X-COM game being a valid addition to the franchise. Single player game where ya have to run Overwatch and deploy teams to handle Omnic incidents.
ie set during the Crisis
reef thicket
that could be a cool idea for some sorta seperate game of ow
and it has been done already with acrhives sortof
but blizzard creating past missions isnt the problem.. its the fact that overwatches story is at a pause right now
weak crane
somebody was having fun in lore-d
dire timber
someone talked about Sombra hacking
I think what's notable, is that Sombra is capable of hacking electronic devices through physical contact
i.e. the police computer in Origins, the mech arm in Infiltration
reef thicket
no
i meant
what u just said
we already mentioned
how sombra is more than likely only able to hack things through touch
not from distance like she does ingame
dire timber
I mean, she does have those string thingies
but yeah
also, no, she can't hack Soldier's legs
smh
peak escarp
if they made the gameplay match the lore, Sombra would be a lot less useful
and Lucio probably wouldn't be a support hero
dire timber
@peak escarp that person on the forums
eugh
people who argue that gameplay/lore seperation makes things "boring" don't know shit
reef thicket
L e t s D r o p T h e B e a t
peak escarp
"If you take away harmony and discord, what is Zenyatta supposed to do?" uh, he would do nothing, because he's a peaceful monk, not a combatant
dire timber
he can still most likely do energy blasts from the orbs
reef thicket
"peace be upon you" as he shoots people with his orbs
i just put his cultist skin on so
killing people actually makes sense
👌
peak escarp
I picture Zen's healing to be like acupuncture/chiropracty/etc - not medical science based, but still manage to make people feel better
dire timber
also, I think the "extra arms" will make an appearance in lore as well – the way it does in the emotes
reef thicket
high five
reef thicket
i want to see more from talon
peak escarp
"why would they rework heroes to match the lore if they can kill them off?"
. . . what?
can anyone figure out the correlation here?
dire timber
no, I can't
peak escarp
"If the gameplay matched the lore the heroes would just be normal people"
dingdingding! we have a winner!
dawn knot
well there are lines from mercy to zenyatta
claiming that his methods of healing are
an enigma to her
so perhaps they are a little different than that
perhaps his orbs really do play a rome
role*
peak escarp
(well not all of them, but the noncombatants like Mei, Lucio, Mercy, Zenyatta would just be normal people)
dire timber
what part of "gameplay isn't lore" is hard to understand for these people
peak escarp
the game is like playing with action figures
you can have them do whatever
doesn't mean GI Joe and She-ra got married
peak escarp
what?
peak escarp
no idea
dawn knot
fair enough
peak escarp
"omnic energy" was mentioned in the Visual Sourcebook
dawn knot
ah
worthy rose
Who was that robot McCree booted up in Reunion?
dawn knot
echo
but we know very little about her as of yet
in fact if i'm not mistaken, the short is the only source of information we have rn
but there may be a little more idk
timid eagle
I thought she was a new generation of Omnic.
But if she was put into cold storage, then I wonder how advance her tech is.
limpid agate
Or old
dawn knot
i think they had the capacity to make omnics like that from near the get-go
but that they just used cheap methods for mass production
just my thoughts though
bastions and units similar seem to be on one side, while zenyatta and similar omnics are in the middle, echo is by far the most advanced technological "being" that we've witnessed so far
then again, just my thoughts
peak escarp
there are chassis similar to Echo's design on Temple of Anubis
dawn knot
that's interesting
dire timber
@peak escarp @timid eagle I don't think Echo is an omnic
regal coyote
one thing for sure, echo is a special design omnic, which means it is at least rare if not legandary
it also probably worth quite a bit one way or the other
if it is just a sedimental crap design labourslave omnic then ashe might actually give mccree that instead of doing the whole sibling squibble thing, probably just toss or throw it down the side of the mountain and leave at worst
dire timber
@regal coyote like I said, she doesn't seem to be an omnic at all
regal coyote
i use omnic as a loose term for really smart robot things
i am sure legally for places that would fall for it, they would give rights to smart enough robots regardless they are from an omnium or not
worthy rose
Why does Echo remind me of Eve from Wall E?
reef thicket
similar design
its white
curvy
blue face
female
etc etc
give this as a skin blizz pls
she looks so fucking cool
worthy rose
guys does anyone know where i can watch the whole lore of overwatch like cutscenes etc from the beginning
timid orchid
Youtube would be my first guess.
worthy rose
i need a good video tho i've been searching for them and im not sure which one to watch
timid orchid
Have you tried the blizzrd site?
reef thicket
@dire timber someone said it has anas model but
do u really think a talon skin would work on ana xD
dire timber
@reef thicket I think it would
Torbjorn has a Deadlock skin in spite of not being part of the Deadlock gang
D.va has a Junker skin in spite of not being a Junker
Orisa and Bastion both have Null Sector skins, although these specific heroes were never part of the Null Sector
etc
reef thicket
thing is though
all of those heros have had no interaction with
the skins they have had
soldier and ana are both working to destroy talon
wouldnt it be strange if they both suddenly got talon skins
peak escarp
did I say Echo was an omnic? She's only ever been called a robot
reef thicket
echo wakes up
"beep boop?"
isnt omnic just like
a universal term in overwatch for robots
dire timber
yep
there are, so far, only two types of omnics
- civilian omnics, like Maximilien, Lynx, Zenyatta
- combat omnics, like Bastion and Orisa
civilian omnics have very distinct design, and so do combat omnics
and Echo doesn't really match either
valid shell
Orisa is already arguably an Omnic.
The OR-14, definitely. The OR-15, maybe? Depending if Numbani has an active Omnium or repurposed 14's to make their 15's.
peak escarp
during the Blizzcon announcement, Jeff very consciously avoids calling her an omnic
he mentions "the omnic sniper" and "the mysterious robot, Echo"
dawn knot
i wonder what the technical difference truly is
perhaps something to do with the level of consciousness?
🤔
peak escarp
the technical difference is branding
robots and omnics are functionally the same thing
dawn knot
so does this mean that echo could quite possibly have nothing to do with the original omnica corporation?
peak escarp
correct
dawn knot
interesting
regal coyote
it is like calling things jello instead of using a dumbfuck generic name like jelatine dessert
or scotchtape instead of the retard sounding stickybacktape the british tv used to say
but i DO think whatever it is Echo is super unique in terms of design and what not
and we know echo-athena is not really related as we have thought earlier on
so winston's robot girl does not have a physical form
@peak escarp actually an interesting concept that echo might be built by ow
in which case mccree lost arm after overwatch then?
valid shell
We already knew this tho.
regal coyote
also, that means there is a robotics specialist in overwatch
valid shell
Genji and Torbjorn also didn't know he lost his arm.
peak escarp
yeah
regal coyote
might be a white-hat hacker?
valid shell
Torbjorn would be the one to make Echo if anyone, but it's definitely not his style.
regal coyote
100% not torb
valid shell
The symbol on her hard-light-esque holographic face and overall look of her chassis makes me think Vishkar.
Maybe they worked with Overwatch in the past?
regal coyote
NO NO NO
frosty shell
Given Torb's regret over helping with the Bastions
regal coyote
they already said the athena/vishkar symbol is just random shit designer stick onto the design cause theya re lazy fucks
valid shell
?
frosty shell
No way he'd ever make a sapient robot again
frosty shell
That's the Athena symbol