how does that make any sense xD
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
Abilities wise, Orisa and the OR14 use drastically different weapons
reef thicket
nope its only seen when they appear
dawn knot
hm
reef thicket
if it showed up all the time then blizzard would be making it extremely obvious that moira was up to something
dawn knot
so perhaps just as moira seems to have only a form of wraith
perhaps the snipers only have a form of shadowstep?
reef thicket
dunno
limpid agate
Most of the Talon elites were genetically or cybernetically enhanced
dawn knot
and reaper, being the "latest model" has both
limpid agate
And you can see that in the heroes too
5/5 playable Talon heroes have genetic or cybernetic enhancements
limpid agate
As do the Enforcers, Snipers, Assassins, and Heavy Assault
reef thicket
that WOULD be scary
limpid agate
Because its probably difficult
reef thicket
well its probably difficult with doomfist considering his entire arm is cybernetic
limpid agate
Keep in mind how little the snipers use it
reef thicket
aka his doomfist
limpid agate
And how she has never been shown to go fully ethreal herself
dawn knot
y'know what'd be insane. if somehow moira made a body from scratch using that fade
an ultimate being
reef thicket
it probably took alot of effort just do it on reaper and herself
dawn knot
like an omnic but semi-biological
and like put a mind in it like one of those super a.i.s
twould be a sight to behold
anyways
reef thicket
@limpid agate i have to disagree about heavy assult and enforcer
enforcer looked like just a heavily armoured guy with a shotgun
limpid agate
What do you mean disagree
limpid agate
Enforcers are elite operators within the Talon organization. They appear to possess genetic and cybernetic augmentation that makes them extremely dangerous in combat, particularly in close quarters.
dawn knot
basic strength enhancement
reef thicket
where is the cybernatic augmentation in the heavy assult and enforcer
dawn knot
like jack or reyes but perhaps slightly less
limpid agate
Lemme go pull up the source
dawn knot
yeah "extensive genetic engineering" sounds a tonne like clones to me
limpid agate
reef thicket
seeing as they have a suit similar to reinhardt
dawn knot
i feel like a lot of those guys are clones like not even gonna lie
but that's just my
thought i suppose
reef thicket
i mean if moira has struggles giving herself a fade ability and giving reaper his abilites
i doubt she could create entire bodies of people LOL
dawn knot
i mean they
reef thicket
that can actually function
dawn knot
obviously have more geneticists
considering the entirety of that army
was enhanced in some fashion
and moira wasn't even
on their side
at that point
to our knowledge i mean
those snipers are mega sketch
reef thicket
troopers are basic bitches with no upgrades
just smgs and talon armour
while the bossses are all apperantly enahnced in some way or another
maybe the bosses are clones or something like that but i doubt it
limpid agate
If you want to read more, I made a few pages for them here: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Talon#Paramilitary_Forces
reef thicket
if they really wanted easily makeable units they probably would've made robots
reef thicket
hack the planet
*)
yeah but
whos gonna hack them
sombra? xd
sombra hacks robots on her own side
"oops2
dawn knot
makes them better
also who knows there are other hackers
like that one guy
from the zarya comic
reef thicket
what guy
limpid agate
Lynx
dawn knot
lynx yes
limpid agate
Lynx 17 is the hacker
dawn knot
my bad
limpid agate
Sven is from the Ironclad Guild
dawn knot
y'know like
fr my bad
anyways
i noticed reaper in
masquerade
was wearing this costume or whatever
but still like
i'm just going call for sake of simplicity any kind of "smokification" a character does 'fading'
so he fades around with this suit
and i'm like
"how does the suit fade along with him"
unless that material was tailor made
reef thicket
i mean
dawn knot
for his use
dawn knot
which seems unnecessary for just a costume
yeah i know
but i'm wondering how this little costume wokrs
works*
reef thicket
its probably blizzard just not wanting to go too indepth about it so they just say "oh yeah his clothing fades with him"
dawn knot
haha
reef thicket
it seems logcial explemnation
dawn knot
i mean i now understand why reaper and perhaps moira never seem to change out of their gear
because perhaps that's the only clothes they can wear
without it falling off and whatnot
doomfist does doomfist because of dominance imo
reef thicket
unlike world of warcraft overwatch is alot less storybased in its gameplay / in general
like
wow has
books comics pages upon pages of lore about it
while ow just has pages on certain things
and not much info
dawn knot
i mean how long did it take for it to get there though?
dawn knot
in it's first couple years did it have all of that
or a portion of it
perhaps it was once similar to overwatch
though i have no experience with wow
reef thicket
i mean yes it did if ur counting wow after warcraft 1 2 and 3
it had a load of lore since vanilla
click this and
just keep scrolling down to see how much lore there is
xD
dawn knot
according to gamepedia
dawn knot
this is reaper's VO in latin america
also do you ever think there'll be an overwatch 2?
how would that even work
reef thicket
would be so fucking dumb
its just like
heyt
we're bringing out ow 2 but
it has more content
so rebuy the game again
for another 40 pounds
the best path for OW would be a story mode
or some sort of way to add more lore gameplay
some people even suggested an overwatch mmo
like they did with wow
dawn knot
u make sense ngl
reef thicket
after warcraft 3 it became world of warcraft
dawn knot
also what is a "debriefing"
dawn knot
debriefing sounds like it happens after
peak escarp
debriefing is after the mission
peak escarp
discussing what happened
reef thicket
i got it mixed up
would be cool to have a ow mmo though tbf
theres never been a good first person mmo apart from maybe destiny
but that wasnt the best
reef thicket
could u imagine an mmo where u start as somthing like a solider
dawn knot
what even is an mmo
reef thicket
but eventually evolve into other things / maybe join other organizastions
like eventually u could become like.. reaper or moira if u went with talon
and something similar if u went with overwatch
Overwatch / Talon actually fits perfectly with Alliance and Horde from wow
although neither horde or alliance is evil
unlike talon
dawn knot
horde sounds pretty evil ngl
dawn knot
i have no idea what that means but i take your word for it
dawn knot
hm
dawn knot
thats good
timid eagle
I'm honestly fine with there being one Overwatch, what with Blizzard's focus with "Games as a Service" model.
latent bramble
regal coyote
@timid eagle until they decide to put it on mobile
"do you guys not have phones?" <--- said by some piece of shit
Back to lroe though, I dont think they even need to make OW2 since OW have lots of room for expansion and improvement, both in lore and mechanics
so it would grow for a few years down the lone first.
and thank god for the mechanics there will be no battle royale overwatch
bold veldt
what are you talking about? you can barely tolerate deathmatch on ow
let alone battle royale
and the game is not going away anytime soon
valid shell
Tf you guys talking about this in lore for
regal coyote
more focus on what would be the new lore piece we would receive
i am sure something is coming
now that less resources needs to be drained onto the owl side of things
more story hopefully
limpid agate
You are more likely to get a spin-off that advances the story than a new main game
The way Overwatch is built so far, it's going to keep going strong as is, even on next gen consoles.
So we won't be getting a massive content dump with an Overwatch 2
We will just keep going at the same place we already are for the foreseeable future
3 maps 3 heroes
abstract gyro
this ^
peak escarp
if they did an "Overwatch 2", it wouldn't be a whole new game
it would be like Heroes of the Storm's "2.0" updated they did a while ago
just an internal update
aside from the logos, is there anywhere that McCree's gang is called the "Deadlock Rebels"?
I've only ever seen it called "Deadlock Gang"
peak escarp
I really think that the reason the logo says "Deadlock Rebels" (and McCree's tattoo says "est. 1976") is because they stole the logo/name from an older, more successful gang to try to cash in on some of their noteriety
peak escarp
I'm just tired of people calling it a retcon when it actually isn't
there are very few retcons in Overwatch
reef thicket
after rewatching all origin stories again its cool to point out
how damn strong doomfist is
considering he PUNCHED his way out of prison
without his doomfist
just his fist xD
dawn knot
but yet he, with gauntlet, did not beat winston
long ermine
gorillas are insanely strong
peak escarp
that OR15 smashed into the wall in the airport? he did that without the gauntlet too
dawn knot
it shows them hitting fist to fist
and while that may just be some kind of
symbolism
i just can't imagine winston's hand not breaking into a mush
do gorillas have hands or paws?
i think they have hands
reef thicket
uhm
yes doomfist did hit or15 into the wall with his fist
in his gameplay trailer
he did it
unless idk
reef thicket
watch that
dawn knot
and raccoons have opposable thumbs
do they have hands too?
sry for going off topic haha
peak escarp
that's a gameplay trailer
of course he's going to have the gauntlet
After escaping from the facility, Helix lost track of Ogundimu until he resurfaced in Numbani, where he clashed with the newly introduced OR15 defense robots at the Adawe International Terminal, easily destroying them and reclaiming the Doomfist.
this shows the order of events
arrive in Numbani > fight OR15s> destroy OR15s> recover gauntlet
dawn knot
i like how the team couldn't get the gauntlet out of an unguarded museum
but doomfist just murders a bunch of bots and gets his gauntlet back himself
also i lowkey think it's more symbolic than anything
because he has a white gauntlet when he's still in training under the previous doomfist
which is shown in his talon skin
though maybe that was a lower power version
i feel like doomfist is a very "honour" oriented character
so it makes sense that he'd want that gauntlet
peak escarp
yeah
reef thicket
he has his own views on things
i wouldn't call them evil just
idk
depends on how you look at him
dawn knot
nobody who's evil thinks they're evil
unless they're like pure evil who kills and hurts just for the hell of it
but i feel like doomfist feels he's wholly in the right
reef thicket
his goals at to ignite a war with humans and omnics because he wants another test for humanity
to get rid of the weak so only the strong could survive
reef thicket
xd
dawn knot
to make it so that only the strong survive
accept doomfist is unbiased
he'll tear apart the world, and whoever survives will be taken in
reef thicket
also doomfist did break those or15 bots with just his fist?
or
did he use his lower powered gauntlet
dawn knot
i have no idea
reef thicket
asking @peak escarp
dawn knot
maybe he got the gaunt and then did that
reef thicket
no
dawn knot
even though it's out of order in the quote
reef thicket
"this shows the order of events
arrive in Numbani > fight OR15s> destroy OR15s> recover gauntlet"
dawn knot
but then againt that makes no sense ya sry
peak escarp
it doesn't say what he used
reef thicket
imagine if he just used his fist
jesus
doomfist is scary even without his gauntletr
dawn knot
he does have that nasty prostetic
and ngl if it is symbolic
i feel like that arm is what gives him most of his power
because that kid decked widow and she was fine
though who knows if she has more durability due to augmentation or something
reef thicket
i really wish doomfist did more destruction ingame than he does, like imagine if the enviroment was breakable
dawn knot
maybe the gauntlet only scales up the power of the original user to a degree 🤔
reef thicket
like if he punches a tank or some heavy character into a wall and kills them
they stick into the cracked wall like the or15 bot
dawn knot
breakable environment like fortnite lole
reef thicket
true
but i dont mean like
smashing down walls opening up new areas
just like
more cracks
maybe permanent ones
peak escarp
they kinda have that on the Black Forest map
reef thicket
like when he does his sesmic slam u can see blue cracks to show where it goes
maybe those could actually become cracks on the ground
for the rest of the game
but idk that may be laggy if theres literally cracks everywhere
dawn knot
there would only be like two doomfists in the game though
unless it was a lobby
like made by a person
custom game*
dawn knot
it would be cool if there were like wildlife and stray dogs and stuff that you could just like
kill like training bots
on assorted maps
and bystanders and all that
reef thicket
that would be kinda pointless / controversial
if u could kill them
it would be cool to have more map interaction
but npcs? meh
reef thicket
that wouldnt make it any better LOL
dawn knot
or even like birds that you could practice aim on
reef thicket
since omnics are considered part of society now
dawn knot
like in the training center there should be like holographic versions of all heros that can walk around and junk to aim on
dawn knot
hm?
peak escarp
discussion on the forums about whether McCree being a founder of Deadlock is a retcon or not
they said that we were already told he wasn't a leader, then linked BlizzardWatch as their source
dawn knot
fair enough
peak escarp
it's a fan site that compiles news about Blizzard games
peak escarp
it's a news site, which places it lower than a wiki in the hierarchy of sources
arctic hollow
is talon really evil
doomfist has some questionable ideals about humanity and peoples worth, i.e. that its based on combat prowess or other related uses
peak escarp
evil in the real world (and things based in the real world) is very subjective
arctic hollow
like sure they brainwashed a wife to kill her husband but overwatch hasnt always been the best moral pillar either
yeah thats my point
people are like Talon Is Evil when the actual character depth there is strong
peak escarp
it's more nuanced than just good vs evil
worthy rose
btw if doomfist's rocket punch can level a skyscraper , what can an angry winston punch level?
peak escarp
Doomfist
arctic hollow
reaper was betrayed, doomfist is carrying on a legacy to follow his beliefs, widow is brainwashed, kinda out of the question there, sombra is just kinda bored
moira is the most morally questionable
peak escarp
Moira is just looking for ways to advance science
she doesn't do things with evil intent, she is just willing to do anything to achieve her goals
arctic hollow
if you look at the things humanity has done in the name of science in history it gets a lot more iffy
peak escarp
regardless of consequences
timid eagle
Which is quite scary if you think about it.
peak escarp
which brings up the moral question - do the ends justify the means?
if Moira found the cure for cancer, would it matter what she did to get it?
timid eagle
Good question.
peak escarp
it's a very subjective question, and people will answer based on their beliefs and experiences
timid eagle
The reason the means are important, maybe more important than the ends, is how we get to our goal is just as important as getting there.
The “ends justifying the means” usually involves doing something wrong to achieve a positive end and justifying the wrongdoing by pointing to a good outcome.
arctic hollow
moira and mercy are both relatively close to achieving immortality but there are large costs to it
i.e. reaper
peak escarp
some people might argue that as long as the overall impact is more positive than negative, doing some negative things in the process is okay
others might have a zero tolerance for negative actions in the pursuit of positive outcomes
arctic hollow
i always liked the theory that mercy is a much deeper character than her canon lore otherwise states
in the form of her having done similar things to moira but hiding it through a feigned personality of a savior angel
peak escarp
Mercy is strongly opposed to violence in the pursuit of peace
she is a pacifist, and she faced a moral dilemma when Overwatch approached her
in the end, she decided she would have to sacrifice her morals in order to help more people
timid eagle
For example, justifying the abortion of a baby to save the life of the mother. Lying and taking an innocent life are both morally wrong, but providing for one’s family and saving the life of a woman are morally right. Where, then, does one draw the line?
peak escarp
and now that Overwatch is gone, she's gone back to helping people without resorting to warlike measures
buoyant veldt
i have a solution
dawn knot
i mean wouldn't the baby matter more than the mother
peak escarp
Mercy doesn't have a "saviour angel" personality
dawn knot
totally separate topic sry for even adding on
peak escarp
let's not get into the abortion debate - that's a more dangerous topic than religion or shipping
dawn knot
that was just a really touchy example
haha fair enough
let's just continue and forget about it
peak escarp
yes
dawn knot
i feel like we don't know the morals behind
the entirety of the talon like
leader though
like vialli before doomfist just wanted money
which is the root of evil these days
timid eagle
I was just giving an example. My point being, the “ends justifying the means” usually involves doing something wrong to achieve a positive end and justifying the wrongdoing by pointing to a good outcome.
A better example is when one lies in his/her resume to get the job they desire, so they can provide an adequate income to their family.
dawn knot
oh no your point made sense tho
it was just
the analogy
anyways lets forget
but like when they lie in their resume
do they know they can actually preform the job well?
timid eagle
Yeah. Moria has never shied away from what she did to achieve the results she perused.
dawn knot
thats kinda applicable too
does doomfist truly know the consequences of his actions?
just like someone who lies on a resume just wants money perhaps for their family, which is a noble goal
perhaps they are attempting to go into a high risk job without all of the proper credentials
like cheating your way through medical school and then becoming a doctor
doomfist finds power and influence through force
but what will he do once he has his way?
what if it turns out he is one of the weak ones
and the impending omnic war kills him
would that be part of his goal?
who knows
i wonder if he's got family
woah spam
long ermine
<@&397922982632226816>
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
fresh hare
long ermine
tyty
dawn knot
that was insane
timid eagle
Likewise.
dawn knot
i wonder what drives someone to do such a thing
brisk bay
timid eagle
Because one is usually adamant to their beliefs.
limpid agate
I said moving swiftly onwards. That means go back to lore
dawn knot
yes so
if anyone wants to respond to what i said last
it also seems doomfist is a pretty stubborn who
perhaps thinks he knows it all through his charismatic nature getting him into all the places he's wanted to be
he most likely believes he always has the right answer
even though he commits all of these travesties
he even resists zenyatta's influence in a few voicelines
though i would imagine from the get-go he would see zenyatta as perhaps lesser
some crazy guru up in the mountains
what does he know?
at least imo
dawn knot
I wonder how the parents of the mecha squad feel about their profession?
peak escarp
I just noticed that Widowmaker's hero bio doesn't mention her being a ballerina
it's mentioned in a lore blurb on her Odette/Odile skins
frosty shell
I can remember when Widowmaker being a ballerina was just a fan theory
dawn knot
was it?
that's interesting that people thought that even back then
though i suppose it was just playing into french stereotypes
so it makes sense that perhaps blizzard and the fandom came to the same idea
dawn knot
though perhaps they have more intricate reasons
limpid agate
She was just speculated to be one until the lore blurbs confirmed it
dawn knot
i wonder what would lead someone to speculate something like that
besides stereotypes that is
limpid agate
Skins, mostly
Same thing that led to people speculating Pharah's/Roadhog's background
peak escarp
it would be weird to give her ballet skins then have her background not be in ballet
restive flower
Mei and Tracer's in-game interactions don't make sense.
According to Rise and Shine, Mei was asleep for 9 years.
According to Uprising, Tracer joined Overwatch 7 years ago.
Mei couldn't possibly know who Tracer is.
(yes i know it's non-canon)
limpid agate
Tracer: Mei, you were such an inspiration to me!
Mei: You inspired me too!
Mei: Tracer, you're so amazing! You inspire me.
Tracer: Mei, you're the real hero.
The quotes dont imply they ever met.
Its likely they are inspiring each other in the present day
Each of them going out to selflessly save the world in their own way.
restive flower
When did OW get disbanded again?
dawn knot
also like sombra doesn't (i assume) know orisa yet they have a little interaction
like i've heard here before in game voice interactions are what the heroes would most likely say to eachother
somehow
at least that's how i understand it
willow python
That's interesting. I never noticed that. Speaking of Sombra, you ever wonder what happens in an omnics head when she hacks them?
valid shell
Lynx doesn't enjoy it.
willow python
Or maybe just a lobotomy?
willow python
Then what? Lol. That's the only brain thing I can think of that could cause loss of skill.
dawn knot
there are a lot of brain things lol
but i mean depending on who's hacking
and i'm assuming they can tell
limpid agate
I'd imagine its more like a seizure or heart attack.
dawn knot
some omnics will even commit suicide
dawn knot
perhaps hacking is like a disease, but ai
limpid agate
Anubis would have used Okoro to kill Pharah's squad
dawn knot
is possession
limpid agate
He chose to sacrifice himself so he didn't kill his squad
dawn knot
also couldnt okoro seperate himself before then?
willow python
Seizure or heart attack huh? Btw, did you have that photo saved to your phone and prepared?
dawn knot
they all had jetsuits, no?
limpid agate
Okoro doesnt
@willow python No, I opened the comic, found the page, and copied it over
dawn knot
hm
willow python
@limpid agate where do you read the comics at?
dawn knot
woah the i just realized
the shading in that cinematic was
super strang
but at the same time i
respect it deeply
willow python
Ah thanks. Searching for overwatch comics online is not the safest of things.... XS
limpid agate
Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix
#3: https://bit.ly/3lorayj
#4: https://bit.ly/2MTe3JM
#5: https://bit.ly/3bD4dVi
Cassidy - New Blood:
#1: https://bit.ly/3wJqcnL
#2: https://bit.ly/3ejXkd0
#3: https://bit.ly/3fbBwB3
#4: https://bit.ly/3B9zLOE
#5: https://bit.ly/3iaM0lB
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
dawn knot
this should probably be pinned ngl
limpid agate
willow python
Hot damn. Blizzard like needs an app for that.
dawn knot
oh wait it is
limpid agate
There
Pinned those links because the Madefire links started dying for some
Or not working for others
And Retribution/Return of Junkenstein never got them
So I'll just pin this instead
dawn knot
ah fair enough
limpid agate
Not hacked
Seen
That's the key word
She thinks she was hacked
But that may not be the case
willow python
Ok, do you think they will unveil who "saw" her?
limpid agate
Eventually
Its one of the biggest mysteries
And I always like seeing good speculation about it
Sadly, I usually see someone throw in a buzzword like "God Program" or "Iris", and usually discard those with one exception.
dawn knot
what was it?
willow python
True. Hopefully blizzard won't make those kannon.
limpid agate
@dire timber made a good theory about it being the Iris.
About the Iris being a benign AI that just wants to collect information.
And people who encounter it misinterpreting it, such as Sombra interpreting it as something malicious and making a whole conspiracy web around it.
willow python
@limpid agate that sounds kinda boring....
limpid agate
Or, I don't think Slignerd talked about this but it was my take on it, Zenyatta misinterpreting it as a deity of some sort.
dawn knot
i mean it would make sense as the "attas" (mondatta, zenyatta) would consider this ai a deity if this theory were to be true
because something like that
would be able to amass knowledge at such an incredibly fast pace
limpid agate
The Shambali is the word youre looking for
dawn knot
that anything it would share would most likely be intensely like
yeah lol
but anything it would offer using that accumulated information
is bound to be priceless
which may have lead to the
Shambali's inner peace
willow python
What I'd like to see is maybe it being some out of control AI that overwatch developed to gather Intel on their enemies. That would be cool and explain the overwatch and soldier 76 connection.
dawn knot
the overwatch and soldier 76 connection is that he's jack morrison
limpid agate
^
dawn knot
the former leader of the organization
or i suppose one of them
petras seemed to be the "leader"
limpid agate
She linked every organization to it
dawn knot
leader leader
willow python
@dawn knot no I mean how overwatch and soldier 76 are connected to this group that saw her.
limpid agate
Soldier 76 was the Strike Commander. Petras was the Director
dawn knot
ah
dawn knot
then why not just say overwatch
limpid agate
Talon, Overwatch, Numbani, Volskaya, Lumerico
dawn knot
because 76 is inherently connected to ow
limpid agate
So is Reaper
dawn knot
like saying "overwatch and shrike"
dawn knot
yeah
limpid agate
Its not just Jack
dawn knot
76 didnt need to be added seperate
willow python
Yeah that may have been poor wording on my part
limpid agate
The only character directly connected to it is the omnic from First Strike
Which we never got
dawn knot
though at this point i'm just nagging how you put things, and not the content of what u said yea
sry
willow python
Damn, you know way more about this than I do.
dawn knot
i think
jewvia is some sort of
"veteran" i think
it may be
one of their roles
perhaps
limpid agate
I have been running this channel for over 2 years
willow python
Or maybe she has ins with blizzard.
limpid agate
Who gives a shit what I am
dawn knot
^
that too
who gives a big turd about anything
pronouns are dead
use "they" for everyone
willow python
I'm basing my assertion of the profile pic. That's all. For example @dawn knot would be an it
willow python
I still really wanna see blizzard make a contract with Netflix to make an animated series about Sombra.
dawn knot
that would be neat
but i would appreciate more of an
ensemble cast kind of show
with every character having an equal amount of light
though perhaps the more
lore intensive ones would have less
to give more bang for when the suddenly have more
willow python
I'd like that too. But I think Sombra has a much longer story to tell. Everyone else we kinda know
dawn knot
i mean
should we go through everyone and check?
sure sombra might be a good story
that doesnt mean we know the least about her
limpid agate
@worthy rose What are you talking about
peak niche
To push the story forward
willow python
@dawn knot I'm not saying we know the least about her, I'm saying from what's been unveiled so far sombra has the most potential to create a thrilling narrative behind. I mean what's more exciting than a rogue who is hunting down a secret organization that she is the only outsider that knows of it?
A monkey that was experimented on?
Or how about a discount Master Chief?
dawn knot
haha
peak niche
You mean Captain America
dawn knot
if you put it that way
i'm sure you can make any character sound like the best candidate for a show if you put it as exciting as that
peak niche
Or the one guy from GI Joe
dawn knot
try using just normal descriptions for each character's situation, and then the most compelling ones will naturally arise
limpid agate
I'd rather get a short about Mercy rejecting Overwatch, and showing what she is doing instead.
willow python
Nah discount Master Chief. He's a modified super soldier.
peak niche
^
dawn knot
master chief had more done to him tbh
willow python
Do we really know what all was done to 76?
peak niche
And pump lots of drugs and roids
limpid agate
He went into the Soldier Enhancement Program, became a national army icon and an international hero.
dawn knot
saved the world he did
limpid agate
And in the present
dawn knot
i think a lot of the overwatch heroes though are inspired from other media
dawn knot
i dont think thats something secret
limpid agate
He also has an ex-best friend that turned villain (Bucky/Reyes)
dawn knot
also cap hasthe avengers which validates what he does, no?
willow python
Ok fair points.
limpid agate
And his organization was shut down by an internal rebellion (Blackwatch/Hydra)
dawn knot
but bucky became good again?
limpid agate
Thats where the similarity ends
dawn knot
and then the organization came back?
limpid agate
Bucky became good, Reyes didnt
peak niche
I’m gonna die if Reaper gets a change of heart
dawn knot
perhaps the parallels predict the future 🤔
peak niche
Like lol wtf
dawn knot
i can imagine that somewhat
or perhaps a bittersweet end
where he does a good, but dies because of it
peak niche
“I must lose my edginess and help overwatch”
peak niche
Then Overwatch 2
dawn knot
"beach style reaper"
willow python
Like the ones I really see having the most story potential are Sombra, Moira, Reaper, and maybe Doomfist.
peak niche
Overwatcher
willow python
Please, no overwatch two....
dawn knot
overwatch 1**.2**
willow python
I had enough from the watchmen sequels.
peak niche
Blizzard declared that they want to grow Overwatch the IP
Like make more games from the IP
dawn knot
wait overwtach is an fps game tho, right?
limpid agate
Yes
peak niche
Hopefully a spin off that happened during the Omnic War
dawn knot
ok just making sure
peak niche
And not a mobile game
limpid agate
You will not get an Overwatch 2 at this rate
peak niche
Like XCom but Overwatch
limpid agate
If you get something new, its not gonna be a replacement of Overwatch.
dawn knot
"overwatch 2: mobile"
willow python
A overwatch mobile game. Ew....
peak niche
Overwatch: Tactics
limpid agate
They still put out 3 heroes, 3 maps, and consistent balance patches
peak niche
Then we see how Liao commits the die
limpid agate
Monthly* balance patches
dawn knot
i wonder who would win in a fight between genji and tracer solid
willow python
@peak niche yeah cause halo tactics did so well....
dawn knot
like solide
limpid agate
Tracer, despite having her super powers... Sucks
dawn knot
like to the death i mean
peak niche
@willow python Xcom did well
limpid agate
She is predictable and emotional.
dawn knot
i can imagine that being used against her yeah
limpid agate
Which is how she keeps losing to people like Doomfist and Widowmaker
peak niche
Probs higher reaction time
limpid agate
Genji went head to head with her in the past, and is also superhuman
dawn knot
in training that is
willow python
The only thing tracer really has going for her is recall. Other than that she's useless.
limpid agate
Hes improved more than she has
dawn knot
i can imagine genji winning ngl
limpid agate
And is in a better place mentally
peak niche
So tell me again why White and glowing makes you a good assasin/stealth op
dawn knot
huh?
peak niche
Stralth operative
dawn knot
oh perhaps he can turn down the glow? idk
peak niche
*stealth
dawn knot
idk why everything in the future must "glow"
peak niche
You can’t change the armor color though
dawn knot
seems impractical
peak niche
White is like
limpid agate
He's pretty stealthy
peak niche
Very visible
peak niche
Why doesn’t it reflect
dawn knot
idk how she gets anywhere
dawn knot
when not invis that is
limpid agate
BUt I guarantee most people havent noticed him in that first screenshot I posted
peak niche
Based on physics
limpid agate
From this scene
limpid agate
He pops up on the rooftop near the end of the screen for a second
peak niche
So lol
limpid agate
Nope
dawn knot
hm
willow python
@peak niche let's be honest, overwatch doesn't come anywhere close to real physics so we might as well not even go there....
dawn knot
i mean
peak niche
Wdym
dawn knot
if you stretch some definitions it does
peak niche
Dragons are pretty good physics
dawn knot
and if you think about it a little bit
also i totally dont consider those dragons like
idk
peak niche
Like don’t you remember Einstein’s theory of Tattoo dragon symmon
dawn knot
perhaps it's some sort of "energy field"
limpid agate
He is pretty stealthy
dawn knot
whomst knows
peak niche
Summon*
limpid agate
@peak niche Shitposting will result in a loss of access
dawn knot
there are things that we don't understand
willow python
@peak niche you wanna talk about physics? Let's talk about the ten ton flying mech with an unrealistic fuel source.
dawn knot
back in the day, i would have never though wireless headphones would be a thing
and now they are
peak niche
I did mention it was a game
dawn knot
also that's explained by cold fusion
peak niche
And it didn’t need to be legit physics lol
dawn knot
which they have i guess
it's the green core that she 'splodes in her cinematic too i believe
willow python
@dawn knot even though cold fusion in know way works like it fits in her mech
dawn knot
i mean thats the thing
they must have gotten it to work that way
it is the future
and each decade we advance what would have taken a hundred years
we're growing exponentially
so by 2077
which is around when the game takes place i think
there's bound to be a lot of stuff that looks like magic to us
because magic is just technology you don't understand
i heard that somewhere
dawn knot
emphasis on science 🤔
peak niche
dawn knot
willow python
@dawn knot that's true. However there are some fundamental laws of nature: thermodynamics, how dense you can make the technology, the drop in energy output over time, etc that overwatch technology just doesn't follow. Like how are they bending light to create holograms? Or is it a plasma somehow cooled down to the point it's safe to touch? Then how does it not become solid?
dawn knot
i mean like i feel like we need
and not to be like
"oh this game is so rEaLiStiC"
but i feel we need an actual like
physicist to totally disprove all of this
in the end too
willow python
@dawn knot that was my whole point in let's not bring physics into this.
limpid agate
The dragons are probably an application of hard light. They appear and behave near identically to Symmetra's orbs from her comic.
dawn knot
yes
limpid agate
And function similarily in game as well (pre rework)
peak niche
What if like
limpid agate
@dawn knot SFW
willow python
@limpid agate and what is the hard light emitter Hanzo has? Is it his tattoo?
limpid agate
🤷
dawn knot
what does that mean?
peak niche
Hanzo and Genji fill the room with the incense smoke
limpid agate
Safe For Work
peak niche
And their ninja stuff
peak niche
Cause people to hallucinate
limpid agate
You can pass on a sword through generations.
dawn knot
though i really do believe the former
limpid agate
It doesnt mean the sword is injected into your bloodstream
dawn knot
i know but
limpid agate
Whatever the excuse is, its not magic
dawn knot
why would anyone willingly give a little brat like genji used to be
tech like that
unless he nabbed it on his way out
willow python
Lol, ninjas didn't really have techniques.
limpid agate
Because he was an heir to the clan
dawn knot
unless
limpid agate
Him and Hanzo were brothers, and sons of the leader
dawn knot
it's just in his "essence"
dawn knot
to be transferred again someday
peak niche
A technique is a method of execution
dawn knot
regardless, i can appreciate your willingness to provide some logic
rather than just saying
willow python
Ninjas never used those. We have severely mutated them from what they were.
dawn knot
"eh it's just a game jsut magivc"
willow python
@dawn knot but it is just a game.
peak niche
But the OW ninjas are mutated ninjas
Since they are inspired
Like Hanamurs
Hananura
dawn knot
Lore-Discussion Chat
willow python
Yeah.
limpid agate
Yes
peak niche
Then torb gave him the new beige and green
limpid agate
Yup
peak niche
Oh ok
dawn knot
oh woah i never knew that
peak niche
I assume the Bastions came offline
When their ships were shot
Like Techno Union shops
Ships*
limpid agate
What
peak niche
Techno Union from Starwars have ships that send signals to droud. Destroy it droids go offline
What if Bastion
willow python
Like battle droids?
peak niche
Was deactivated when his dropship was shot by German air
dawn knot
wha
peak niche
Loss of signal
limpid agate
While the other Bastions around him did
Considering the number of Bastions deployed to Eichenwalde
Having a 99.99% success chance still leaves room for exactly Bastion failing.
peak niche
I would still have to question of reusing OR-15’s
It’s a symbol of fear like the omnic war
That’s like giving police Panzers
willow python
And what exactly is bastion? Is he a mindless attack drone that became sentient or a artificially intelligent robot soldier?
peak niche
Oh no rein faced OR-15’s
dawn knot
and the newer versions
look more sleek and friendly
and
were
too much
because the fist took them out easy peasy
willow python
Was it really OR-15? And why doesn't orisa get that cool blade?
dawn knot
orisa doesnt get a blade because she doesnt need one
limpid agate
@willow python Bastion is not a mindless attack drone
peak niche
Ok so reusing the same model of bots that once killes people to police
dawn knot
do crossguards have swords?
limpid agate
They were used as infantry during the first crisis
But our bastion is perfectly sentient and sapient, with a curiosity for and love of nature.
peak niche
What made him think it was a good idea to submerge in water though
How water proof are Bastions though
willow python
Hard to say given all the exposed Pistons and electronics
That's some metal to not trust then
peak niche
So umm
How many Crusaders were in Overwatch
And like what were their jurisdictions of recruitment
I want you so join
Can the recruit say lol no
iron plume
peak escarp
Overwatch was pretty prestigious
if they recruited you, you'd be foolish to turn it down
and it seemed to be invite-only
timid eagle
I do wonder what happened to the unit.
Unless if ALL of the crusaders were wiped out during the Battle of Eichenwalde.
limpid agate
We see 4 of them in the short
Including Rein and Balderich
And we see 3 of them die
Err, 2 of them die
Reinhardt lived, and another one wasn't killed on screen, probably made it out alive
timid eagle
But only four of them?
That isn't exactly a unit in size. I thought that there were hundreds of Crusaders.
limpid agate
There were only four in that short, and three(?) in The Last Bastion
2
Balderich and some other random crusader.
They were the elites of the German army
In The Last Bastion you see maybe a hundred soldiers, and only two crusaders
peak escarp
it seems like one crusader was assigned to a unit of soldiers
so an army of 100 soldiers might only have 3-4 crusaders
stoic eagle
uh
Orisa is a robot build from parts from decommissioned OR-15 after Doomfist destroyed them. OR-15s were supposed to protect Numbani and are successor the the OR-14 robot used during the big boi omnic war(like the one Reinhardt faced). Upgraded OR-14s were also used by Null Sector during the kings row uprising
i think that's it
although they didnt seem very energy bladey during Uprising
steep merlin
I dunno who made Angela Zeigler's backstory, but it's about one of the most unrealistic stories i've read in my life.
Lost both parents at a young age in omnic crisis
Somehow became a "medical prodigy" by age 14 and immediately got to Uni
finished a Ph.D and MD in 3 years (at age 17)
Amongst all this, probably didn't have PTSD or some form of psychological problem
As I type this, I realize now that someone from Tumblr or an edgy artist is going to exploit and make Angela's backstory all on her fighting depression/anxiety or something like that.
valid shell
K
reef thicket
i wish orisa had an or14 omnic skin
i mean she has the null sector one
but i mean the orange one
the actual omnic one
just like bastion has his omnic epic skin
reef thicket
wouldnt be that hard to make