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#lore-discussion
peak escarp
dawn knot
she just thinks about those memories differently because of her newfound state
peak escarp
okay, we're starting to agree on things
dawn knot
i've been saying this the whole time just in weird ways perhaps
dawn knot
i know but obviously if i had my full bearings in that situation i'd be crying my eyes out and wanting to kill myself
she of course
is far from this
meaning she has a different attitude towards things than she did before
and we can automatically assume this because she was
a normal person before
peak escarp
she doesn't feel strong emotions
dawn knot
and normal people would react different
thus meaning she very likely thinks about all of her memories in a different way than before
peak escarp
she probably sees a picture of Gerard and remembers that she loved him and knows she should feel remorse for him, but she doesn't
dawn knot
it could be that
but i also believe that it's more of a
"i had to do what i had to do" situation
where even then it's not the most genuine
the best line i can and have come up with is
"what a shame"
mossy totem
What’s good
dawn knot
where it's like "oh well big sad, moving on"
everything is good jesus, thank you
we were just discussing the intricacies of widowmaker's psyche
mossy totem
yes indeed
dawn knot
what's your favourite character so far?
peak escarp
I like Sombra
mossy totem
Is she a villain?
peak escarp
she's an interesting character, full of secrets
dawn knot
ew
peak escarp
she's on the badguy's side, but she's pursuing her own interests
peak escarp
McCree
mossy totem
O that’s a nice character
peak escarp
this isn't really the place to discuss that
dawn knot
ok fair enough, but all other chat's we'll be run over, no?
peak escarp
take it to DMs then
mossy totem
Yep
dawn knot
anyways let's discuss the dynamic between the talon crew
i wonder how
reaper feels towards sombra on a platonic level
peak escarp
he seems irritated by her most of the time, but he trusts her enough to tell her about Moira
dawn knot
haha
i feel like
their relationship is the most
tame one
out of all of them
it's played out like a bunch of supervillain goons going and doing junk but
when you get into it each and every character is like
so serious
peak escarp
he seems to be one of the only people who likes Sombra - everyone else's interactions with her are very negative
dawn knot
yeah
maybe he relates with here
her*
them both being outcasts somewhat
you think gabriel was acquainted with amelie before they both became talon?
dawn knot
i'd assume so because gerard was close with gabe
peak escarp
Gabe and Gerard were close friends
dawn knot
that's such a strange thing to think about
dawn knot
yeah makes sense what with ana recognizing her
but like something must have happened in his life
to make him indifferent to the suffering of others
he's most likely numb to things too, but by his own accord
peak escarp
there's a big gap between the fall of Overwatch and the first time we see Reaper and we have no idea what happened to make him side with Talon
I really hope that gets filled in some time soon
dawn knot
i wonder if reaper ever attempted to talk gerard with widowmaker
honestly i feel like he may be too indifferent at that point to do something like that
but maybe out of sick curiosity
because i'm sure he was briefed on the situation just a little by some higher up
after perhaps recognizing her
peak escarp
the best indication we have of Reaper's current thoughts about Overwatch are from the Old Soldiers comic
he blames Overwatch (and Jack specifically) for leaving Ana to die on that one mission when she got into a sniper fight with Ana
peak escarp
Reyes probably thought they should have stayed and helped her, while Jack's top priority was getting those scientists to safety
dawn knot
which is why he's gone to such lengths to actually kill former members
i mean it makes sense as a priority
but it may be something he latched onto to have more reasons to dislike jack
who knows
peak escarp
they also stopped trusting each other after the events of Retribution
Jack couldn't keep covering for Blackwatch anymore once the public found out about them
and Reyes took heat for hiring Moira (who Overwatch had already shut down once for unethical practices)
so a year later, during Uprising . . .
Reyes sent McCree into London without telling anyone, and won't tell Jack what's going on
peak escarp
he was the leader of Blackwatch and was free to act at his own discretion
losing that power must have stung a little
I'd be salty too
dawn knot
yeah after he lost the rank of strike commander before that
honestly if i were in his position
peak escarp
we've been told he was okay with not being Strike Commander
dawn knot
i'd think i was trying my best to do whatever i could to help while the organization i work for is beating me down
peak escarp
he liked the freedom of not being in charge of everything
dawn knot
i wonder what would happen if reaper attempted to go into a wraith form while it was raining 🤔
restive flower
dawn knot
those are good
regal coyote
@peak escarp Interesting to note that Ana kinda expect Gabe to ahve some hidden resources and she is ok with it
while Jack seems to react negatively, even though what gabe is doing is actually positive to their current situation.
also I dont think reaper want to kill ALL ex-ow mmber
I think he only want to payback on those who he deems going against him
so yeah those who sided with him or is not involved he seem to ignore them for now, as long as they not in his way
dire timber
@dawn knot @peak escarp we know that Reyes was the leader of the original strike team, but was his rank really Strike Commander?
limpid agate
Would be a cool Junkrat skin.
so yeah those who sided with him or is not involved he seem to ignore them for now, as long as they not in his way
Ana is not involved, but she is back on the list @regal coyote
He seems to want everyone who didn't take his side dead
Helps that the line plays when he kills Rein/Genji/McCree too. "Another one off the list"
regal coyote
well ana is obviously on the list
i mean she just sided with jack in that one incident after she is abck alive, of all people
rein is obvious for being on jacck's side if there is a chance
mccree left gabe for all we know it, and genji sided with regular overwatcha s seen in the doomfst thing
regal coyote
not sure really
but mercy probably the reason moira is alienated partly
the whoole mercy moral highground thing
though not gure if gabe hates her
she seem to insist on leaving ow behind, that is a plus
dire timber
@worthy rose it's not that she didn't like it
it's more that she was disillusioned with it
she didn't like its militaristic approach, and she was no doubt horrified to learn that Moira was toying around with her tech in Blackwatch's basement
as for Reaper
as far as we know, he just wants every single Overwatch agent dead
the reason Ana wasn't on the list, was because he didn't know that she was alive
regal coyote
disillusioned ... more like being a butthurt
But maybe he is indeed hungint down all remaining ow that is not already on his side.
we do know it is likely some mooks from overwatch-blackwatch joined him though, if not more
timid eagle
I think what’s more surprising is that McCree used to be a ranch hand.
It’s kind of sad that we had to learn that from Ashe’s interaction with McCree, though.
peak escarp
we've learned a lot of information only through interactions
like Lucio's father invented the sonic tech, or that Torbjorn gave Bastion new armor
dawn knot
i seriously do wonder though what happens to reaper when it rains like
i hardcore wonder
because rain clears smog out of the air i feel like
he would just be bogged down into a dark puddle in heavy rain
like that's literally his ultimate weakness in my mind
peak escarp
he's not wraithy/incorporeal all the time
he'd be as affected by the rain as any ordinary human
dawn knot
i know but if he were to
go smoky in the rain
i feel like it'd be a death sentence
unless somehow some kind of
resistance to water tension was
implanted in his cells
whatever that means
dawn knot
i know but can he not fully dematerialize into just a thick smoke?
i mean of course he'd be fine if he was just
normally standing in rain
but
i'm not quite sure what would happen if he entered wraith form during perhaps a thunderstorm
limpid agate
Why would that effect him? His body isn't related to combustion.
dawn knot
no that's not
like
of course droplets are gonna hit some of his smoke bod
and when they do
surface tension will trap the particles within the drops
and bring them to the ground and possibly form a black stained puddle
just like i'd imagine if he
tried to wraith form fully submerged in water
it could possibly kill him because current would then tear apart his body
and depending on how much control he has over those particles
they may not be able to reform
not anything to do with fire
but perhaps i was thinking his particles are kinda immune to surface tension
or remove it when they come in contact with moisture
similar to soap
dire timber
I think he'd be able to just smoke through like normal
like, I'm 100% sure that's what would happen if he were to fight in the rain in a comic or an animated short
a thunderstorm.... well, he'd get fried if he got struck by a lighting, just like he was in Recall
peak escarp
seems like something that would probably never come up
dawn knot
rain isn't all that uncommon
and i'd like to see how they handle it someday
though in the very same panels we were discussing yesterday
reaper is shown looking at a family
in the rain i believe
so realizing that, i'm sure he'll be fine
regal coyote
i dont think rain would kill him
but it may hemper his smoke ability
for the simple fact rain gets in between his small smokey pieces, so prolonged smoke form in rain can call reduction of his effectiveness
timid eagle
I wonder if Lucio has a big family?
peak escarp
I'd like to know more about all the heroes's families
dawn knot
yeah that's a very interesting topic
so far we know the most about torbjorns family i believe
peak escarp
There's still more we could know
what are Brigitte's older siblings names? why did none of them go into engineering like Torbjon?
dawn knot
do we know if they aren't tho?
peak escarp
what exactly is the Lindholms's relationship with Angela Ziegler (more specific than "family friend")?
dawn knot
🤔
dawn knot
oh
sacred tide
Hello
peak escarp
I wonder how many older siblings she has
sacred tide
Lasse har bursdag idag
peak escarp
she's got about 8-9 niblings
sacred tide
Gratulerer med dagen lasse
peak escarp
@sacred tide English
timid eagle
It's hard to say, really.
dawn knot
wait do we have to speak english?
peak escarp
her oldest niece appears to be about 12-13, so her oldest sibling is probably 30-35
timid eagle
So, I assume Brigitte's older siblings are guys?
Unless I shouldn't take that description literally?
peak escarp
"youngest daughter" implies Torbjorn has other daughters who are older than Brigitte
or else it would say "only daughter"
hasty surge
Is Brigitte also the youngest child?
hasty surge
How do we know she has 8-9 siblings?
peak escarp
what?
Brigitte is the youngest of her siblings
the children in that image are her nieces and nephews - her siblings's children
dawn knot
ok i was totally
misunderstanding for whatever reason
it's kinda late where i'm at
my bad lol
dense estuary
And for a moment that cat is safe from having things like rockets strapped to it by her.
dawn knot
haha
timid eagle
@fleet wing Not really?
worthy rose
agreed
lucid vessel
@fleet wing Don't post something like that again, only warning
dawn knot
i wonder why ashe has red eyes
is it just stylization? or perhaps augmentation
maybe it'll be explained away as some strange birth defect
well not defect but abnomality
dawn knot
hm?
reef thicket
the picture doctor six posted
dawn knot
rein is good uncle
dawn knot
i need a rein skin where we see his tongue ngl
but that's just my preference
anyways
ashe and her eyes
why are they red i wonder?
perhaps it's some sort of futuristic eye tattoing
though she did have red eyes when shown as a child so...
reef thicket
evil obviously
xdd
but uhm
she had red eyes from childhood
as we see in the
comic themed video i forgot the name of
peak escarp
her origin trailer shows her as a child with red eyes and white hair
her mother also has white hair
so I think it's natural and just stylization
clever pawn
👌 
limpid agate
Ashe isnt the only one with odd coloured eyes
Moira's second eye is red or orange
Sombra's are purple
Zarya has a really odd shade of green
Junkrat has eyes coloured like fire
dawn knot
hm fair enough
but i find yellow eyes signs of augmentation too
perhaps different colours denote different things
winston's eyes are yellow too and we know he was heavily augmented
also sombra could perhaps have "purple nanotechnology" in her blood, thus colouring her eyes somehow, that operate along with her spinal implant to help her preform her abilities
reef thicket
moiras eyes are orange and blue
and that isnt tied to the overwatch universe
theres a symptom called Heterochromia iridum
reef thicket
"Heterochromia is a difference in coloration, usually of the iris but also of hair[1] or skin. Heterochromia is determined by the production, delivery, and concentration of melanin (a pigment). It may be inherited, or caused by genetic mosaicism, chimerism, disease, or injury.[2] It occurs in humans and certain breeds of dogs and cats."
dawn knot
mask right?
reef thicket
she doesnt have a mask
dawn knot
that little portion of her face that's metal now
do we know if she had same colour eyes before that?
perhaps before she gave herself her nasty arm
limpid agate
@reef thicket Heterochromia existing is normal.
reef thicket
limpid agate
What isn't normal is an orange eye
reef thicket
she did have 2 different coloured eyes
before she experimented on herself
well yeah
but it obivously wasnt from her experiments
dawn knot
hm, well perhaps heterochromia in that universe works differently?
for whatever reason
limpid agate
@dawn knot Why the hell would Sombra have "purple nanotech" that changes her eye colour
reef thicket
to be edgy
limpid agate
Rather than the much more obvious solution of... Contact lenses.
limpid agate
Purple
reef thicket
o
peak escarp
dawn knot
@limpid agate Hey, that's just a game theory
peak escarp
Moira has had heterochromia since she was a child (since birth probably, since it's genetic)
dawn knot
i don't like the excess hostility towards me tbh
anyways
do we even know sprays are canon though?
or even representative?
dawn knot
I thought the child sprays would be a neat insight into their younger looks
reef thicket
and maybe christmas
dawn knot
but zenyatta and bastion are just kids in costumes
so i think all of the sprays are just people dressed up as the heroes
reef thicket
well
dawn knot
not them themselves
reef thicket
actual chars that can be children
dawn knot
perhaps
dawn knot
hm
fair enough
winston is a strange one because if my theory is correct
then a gorilla just
was dressed as winston for whatever reason so
i'm not sure
peak escarp
Winston's Halloween spray is baby Winston dressed as Dr. Harold Winston
reef thicket
theres also a cute spray of winston feeding hammond the lids of peanut butter
dawn knot
i wonder if that electricity and redness shown when he goes wild is
just stylization or part of whatever
they did when they messed with his bod
ngl that seems like a dangerous thing to add to a gorilla
perhaps that's why things went wrong
peak escarp
peak escarp
Dr. Harold Winston
peak escarp
Because reloading two shotguns would take too long
dawn knot
i feel like they somehow materialize from his
smoky-ness
like they were made for that purpose
peak escarp
not everything in Overwatch is going to make sense
dawn knot
^
peak escarp
as long as it maintains internal logic
dawn knot
but what is that logic
peak escarp
and follows the established rules of the universe
Overwatch is an optimistic near future rooted in science, so things can't be magic, and aliens are also out
dawn knot
really?
dawn knot
hammond is an illegal alien
peak escarp
why would Hammond join Talon?
dawn knot
tis a yoke
peak escarp
he's more likely to join new Overwatch
dawn knot
*yoke
there should be a gargoyle character that's literally just brigette but with talon juice
reef thicket
hammond does seem quite violent though
dawn knot
😩 👌
reef thicket
he enjoys killing
peak escarp
no shitposting
reef thicket
xD
dawn knot
sry i'm getting out of hand yeah
anyways, i wonder, since we've not seen any other gorillas, if winston is bigger than normal
because hammond certainly is
dawn knot
though maybe that was just a byproduct of his unique augmentation
reef thicket
after they
peak escarp
he seems larger than an ordinary gorilla
reef thicket
kinda sucks hammond is an underrated hero
his launch wasnt as smooth as ashes it seems
reef thicket
like ashe people are already figuring out good playstyles with her and getting good
hammond is just like
??? how do we use this
dawn knot
perhaps it's because she is one of those "femoids" 🤔
dawn knot
like hammond has meme value but in the end people latch onto what they "like" sadly
reef thicket
the best thing he is used for it seems is just to disrupt the enemy team
and yeah
people say your throwing if you choose hammond
especially in the higher ranks
dire timber
@reef thicket there are aliens in Overwatch
iron plume
not lore discussion plskthx
dire timber
👽 👽 👽
dawn knot
he is tho, omnics in that rein short come down from the sky in pods
like halo soldiers almost
dire timber
I mean, they are canon, they just happen to be fictional within the OW universe
reef thicket
dva shouldnt be considered canon
shitty concept shitty character
shitty cinematic
peak escarp
maybe tone down the language? we don't need that here
iron plume
also the idiocy
peak escarp
Shooting Star and Reunion served different purposes
they are both good
Shooting Star had way more character development for Hana than Reunion had for McCree
dawn knot
it was more so to establish ashe ngl
reef thicket
and echo
reef thicket
or reavel her yes
dawn knot
egg-co
peak escarp
they said she would not be hero 30
peak escarp
probably 31-32
peak escarp
maybe the next Blizzcon hero
dawn knot
blizzcon is short for blizzardcon
peak escarp
nobody calls it Blizzardcon
dawn knot
fair enough
reef thicket
...
no
i meant
ik what blizzcon is
i watched 4 of them
i meant we're going to have to wait till next blizzcon for echo?
peak escarp
Echo seems like a significant hero
reef thicket
an entire year?
peak escarp
Doomfist had that spot
reef thicket
archives would be good
sidenote i cant wait till april
so i can finally get blackwatch moira
my most desired skin in the game 😢
peak escarp
the next hero will be in March, then Archives will be in April
so there's 0 chance of getting Echo before Archives
peak escarp
she's a robot
limpid agate
That would still be a terrible plot twist.
Like, plot twist, Reinhardt is now a bad guy.
reef thicket
find it kinda funny mcree just like
abandons echo
in the middle of fucking nowhere
unless echo can actually travel really fast.. somehow
peak escarp
it was for the western trope - cowboy has to ride off at the end
but I'm sure she'll be fine
reef thicket
xD
peak escarp
he told her where to go, and she (probably) knows the way
reef thicket
say hi to the monkey for me
first time i saw cinematic i thought that echo was confused about OW having a monkey
then i realised its just the "im a scientist" thing
reef thicket
cant wait for christmas to get winstons yeti skin LOL
dire timber
it's a shame I didn't have the Yeti skin for Halloween
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
obtuse star
lol already gone
timid eagle
I generally wonder what theme they will go for the upcoming Winter Wonderland event.
The first go around was Christmas themed, then they went with a more general winter theme for the skins.
peak escarp
I wonder if that Rat King Junkrat will be a skin
dawn knot
I dearly hope so
peak escarp
they could do more Nutcracker skins
a Sugar-plum Fairy for Mercy would be nice
no
for Widowmaker
since she's a former ballerina
I want another Christmas comic
see what the new heroes do during the holidays, maybe see some of new OW spending time together
dawn knot
that would be
majour development actually
considering most of what we see these days is just
establishing stuff from the past
i'd like to see where exactly they gather and how
though i'm not entirely sure we'll get that in an x-mas comic sadly
though who knows, i'm not against it
reef thicket
I'd like a new orisa skin tbf
all her skins atm are shit
apart from Null sector and forest spirit but those are locked in events..
- it would make sense to give her another skin seeing as the only event skins she has are from 2017 archives and 2018 aniversery
dawn knot
i like carbon fiber
i think it looks nice
but i mean overall orisa looks kinda nasty imo
timid eagle
It helps that her voice actress hits that right tone of innocence.
dawn knot
i mean that's just my opinion tbh
peak escarp
it pains me how much people will cling to incorrect information even after it has been debunked/clarified by official sources
dawn knot
where is this coming from?
timid eagle
?
peak escarp
just people on the forums still discussing the possibility of Echo being related to Athena
and wondering how old Tracer really is
and thinking that Mercy doesn't age
peak escarp
even when people correct them and provide sources, they try to argue how that the devs are wrong somehow, or I'm misinterpreting something
dawn knot
i think perhaps they just want their headcanons to be right
which i suppose is understandable if they let themselves become very attached to their ideas
peak escarp
headcanons are okay, but they shouldn't contradict canon lore
and it's not like these things were clarified once in some obscure place
they were said repeatedly on different platforms
and frequently get quoted
dawn knot
i mean what exactly do they say? i'm sure it should be blatantly obvious that they're being unreasonable
peak escarp
"Maybe she’s an old clone/ghost image of Athena that Athena would use for missions when she couldn’t communicate with the team over a distance. But the clone became separated by time/conditions and was only just now recovered?"
dawn knot
yeah that's
very far fetched lol
like more so than mine haha
but i mean perhaps in their head
athena is canon
and they're trying to piece together everything around that
because the original concept came out so long ago
peak escarp
Athena is just an AI
she doesn't have a body
I've seen some people say Winston made her, but that doesn't make sense either
his skills are in engineering, not AI programming
dawn knot
yeah the silly billies
i wouldn't mind them tbh
the more lore that comes out will further push their ideas away
and then they'll eventually accept things
peak escarp
I just want to try to stem the spread of misinformation
before it becomes part of fanon
dawn knot
i can respect that
peak escarp
I also want to promote respect for the writers
even if you disagree with what the writers come up with or dislike them on a personal level, it is their story and they are the ones writing it
it's popular to hate on Chu even though he has done nothing to deserve it
dawn knot
yeah a lot of people these days feel like they are entitled to the stories being told to them
which leads to some pretty toxic behavior at times
where things don't end up how the fandom wants, and they retaliate
i mean how dumb is that
like you said it's their story
peak escarp
if Chu announced tomorrow that Lucio was gay, I wouldn't be happy about it, but it would be canon and I'd have to accept it
dawn knot
i mean ngl the fandom would probably love that haha
that's the way fandoms are these days
all about the different ships they can get away with
although
perhaps that's another topic altogether
peak escarp
yeah, most of the fandom consider the big ships as canon and will attack anyone who says otherwise
but let's not get into that
peak escarp
even among the devs, if Chu says one thing and Jeff says something different, you should trust Chu
because he's the head writer
Jeff doesn't work on the story
dawn knot
i wonder when the next big advancement in the story will come
hopefully with archives
i mean
even though it's called "archives"
as in things stowed away from the past
it'd really cool to see perhaps a mission happening in the present day
though
it'd be difficult i imagine to make anything more than PvE
unless you have one team play as good and one as bad
which could also be neat
peak escarp
I expect them to stick to PvE for Archives
they put all that effort into making an engine for it
peak escarp
maybe
dawn knot
something big is bound to happen regardless
what with how much they've been holding back lately
that or they're actually ramping down
which i doubt
peak escarp
no, they have plans
dawn knot
i thought so
peak escarp
Blizzard likes doing long term storytelling
timid eagle
Who knows what they have planned.
peak escarp
I have no clue but I'm excited to find out
timid eagle
I'm going to have realistic expectations for what they have planned next year.
It's always better to keep oneself in check.
peak escarp
anything outside their regular release schedule will be a surprise to me
they've established a pattern and I expect them to stick to it
but I will be disappointed if they don't start giving us comics again
because Jeff said they would
timid eagle
I'm more concerned about the Archives event.
They never did specify if there will/won't be a new campaign to be added.
peak escarp
I believe Jeff did mention they were working on something new during one of the streams
timid eagle
Hmmm.
Then I guess the only direction they will take is to go back with the Original Overwatch Strike Team?
For a new Archives campaign mode?
peak escarp
maybe
they could give us a new story that we haven't heard before
like they did with Uprising
timid eagle
We never did see how Jack and co. had interacted when they meet for the first time.
Rein and Torb didn't become friends until Rein saved his life during the Operation White Dome mission.
peak escarp
the problem with that is that when the Strike Team was formed, Ana and Reyes had different kits
Ana wasn't a healer, and Reyes didn't have wraith form
so if they were made playable, their kits would have to be altered
timid eagle
This is also the same game where rectons to character kits and origins will change.
peak escarp
you could get around that by having Reyes on comms (since he was the team leader) and Ana as sniper support
timid eagle
One way to work around the healing thing is to have those healing drones from Uprising.
But Archives is the only event that I care for.
I treat the other events as fun fluff.
peak escarp
yeah
timid eagle
But Archives is usually where we get our big lore dumps.
peak escarp
Junkenstein is fun, but Archives is way better
and I don't care for the other events
timid eagle
I still laugh at McCree's outlandishly horrible Italian accent, with Moira (in a deadpan tone) telling him not to do that ever again.
Or Gabe and McCree being sassy to oneanother.
peak escarp
it gave us a glimpse into their team dynamic
and I would LOVE to see the original strike team sassing each other like that
timid eagle
Jack and Gabe's dynamic will be quite different.
Didn't Gabe act as Jack's senior officer during their military days?
peak escarp
Gabe was a senior officer, but I don't think they met until they joined the SEP
they joined Overwatch together, so I guess that's when they became friends
timid eagle
Fair point.
There's also the fact that, in Jack's bio, he was a farmhand that acted in a more "by golly be-gosh" type of tone, similar to most Western comic book heroes during the 60's.
Unlike now, where he's basically Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino.
peak escarp
he's very much a Clark Kent/Steve Rogers type character
until a base falls on him and he decides to take it out on the world
timid eagle
Ana would probably be the same.
As for Reinhardt, I'd assume he would be less outrageous.
peak escarp
he was pretty outrageous in Honor and Glory
feral lintel
i'd rather want a lore mission based on more current events
limpid agate
The Archives event will probably stay in Archives for at least another year
Hopefully an Archive on a time that Talon bested Overwatch
reef thicket
i just want archives to come around again for that blackwatch moira skin 😦
feral lintel
the blackwatch skins are all so good
dawn knot
i feel like i really want single player campaigns for each hero but ngl that would be
highly unlikely
maybe way in the future but who knows
feral lintel
that's not happening
feral lintel
okay
reef thicket
i seen videos of retribution event
they
genuinely look fucking awesome
and fun af to play
i wish they made storymode for overwatch
would be increidbly
incredible
timid eagle
@peak escarp I felt he was much more arrogant and cocksure than outrageous.
reef thicket
it would be cool if they had a campaign thats
1 mission every week
or something
or maybe 2 missions
like 1 set in the past 1 set in current time
so 2 missions every week
one progressing the story the other about previous missions
dawn knot
i wish overwatch had like more specialized skin options
where you can switch out certain clothing items and headgear and stuff
reef thicket
i wish i had blackwatch moira 
timid eagle
I would've loved for the skins to be much more organized.
dawn knot
i wish i had jiangshi mei for a time but then i ended up just buying it lol
reef thicket
meh im fine with skins as they are in general atm
timid eagle
Such as recolours of the same skin being a simple swap on the menu.
reef thicket
it would be cool if u could change the colours of skins
dawn knot
because those halloween boxes did not provide
reef thicket
but fully customizing like mmos? nah
WHAT
yes they did
what the fuck
pumpkin hammond
armor pharah
banshee moira
they looked realy good
D:
timid eagle
Maybe not for the Legendary skins, but I would love that you can have one slot where you can make your own custom recolur skin.
For the defaults.
dawn knot
no no the lootboxes
Did not give me anything
i didnt mean the whole dang event didnt have good skins lol
dawn knot
the boxes did not provide
reef thicket
i got every single old and new from this year halloween
xD
i got pumpkin hammond 3 times
2 times as dupes
dawn knot
i mean i wouldnt take it as gloating, since it's kinda out of your control
though you could have played a whole lot to increase chances which i
would then take
reef thicket
oh trust me i did
xD
i think i leveled atleast 100 times that month
- i bought 60 boxes at the start of the event
gonna do the same with the christmas skins
buy 50(60 if its a bonus again) then purchase the skins i didnt get
dawn knot
woag
reef thicket
i have 7.2k coins atm
so
gonna see what new skins there are and prob buy 1
then the rest of the coins gonna get the old skins since i wasnt around last year
also we're getting a bit offtopic for lore discussion
sorry ill shut up now xd
dawn knot
when'd u join ?
dawn knot
i wonder what moira's childhood was like
valid shell
We can assume at some point curiosity about her heterochromia led to her interest in genetics.
But we can't be sure.
peak escarp
that's logical
dawn knot
that makes a tonne of sense actually
reef thicket
i dont think having heterochromia would lead her to doing things related to that
for her its probably normal
like anyone born with something strange. its normal for them
- moira never ever mentions her heterochromia its just there
dawn knot
of course but it could pique the interest
reef thicket
maybe
a possibility but i doubt its the reason she became interested in genetics
"oh look my eyes are different.. i should learn genetics.."
u know
xD
dawn knot
i mean same reason people learn about their culture
because it's something about them that they wish to explore
reef thicket
she probably knew about her eyes since childhood and i doubt she knew or got into genetics as a child
so she probably ended up forgetting about her eyes, hell even i forgotten what my eye colour is LOL
reef thicket
but yeah i dont deny its a possiblity but i think theres probably something else that got her into that
idk
xD
i dont have a mirror near me
reef thicket
dawn knot
reef thicket
but anyways
it would be cool to actually find out about her childhood
how many characters do have childhood lore
like.. Ashe shimda twins..
winston
dawn knot
ashe is one of the shimada broth
D. Va's Defense Matrix can block all of Ashe's attacks and her Boosters can chase down Ashe and maintain a close range advantage.
peak escarp
if I found out I had a rare genetic condition, it would make me want to learn more about it
Moira might have been the same
dawn knot
oh of course
she may have perhaps
been a perfectionist even then
and thought it was disgusting
and so went into genetics in hopes of
fixing it
though
considering the technology avaliable
this is a bit of a stretch because she could very likely have it easily "corrected"
reef thicket
yeah
shes basically achieved genetic immortaility
has given herself the ability to fade and given reaper his misty stuff
if shes done all that but not able to change her eye colour
??
dawn knot
i think her misty stuff is the same misty stuff as reaper's misty stuff just
less advanced
reef thicket
u heard it here first bois immortaility is easier to gain than changing 1 eyes colour
and yeah
reaper is like full blown misty boi
while moira just has her fucked up arm and her fade
she may be able to do that stuff longer though
who knows
its limited ingame because.. gameplay reasons but who knows how much she can do in canon
dawn knot
she has a face plate though
i wonder what value it serves
also i feel like she needs to have her tank to maintain her condition and absorb junk and stuff
while reaper does it all internally
which just goes to show how much more advanced he is
reef thicket
it doesnt serve any value i dont think
as we see in her blackwatch skin
she doesnt have it
and theres nothing there
so unless she did something to that part of her face between the venice incident and joining talon
its pretty much just part of her outfit
also i dont think her tank has anything to do with being able to fade
dawn knot
wait she doesn't have the back junk on her retribution skin?
reef thicket
the only thing the tank is needed for is for storing her healing juice
whicch she fills backup using right click
dawn knot
wait yeah she does
reef thicket
ye
but its more like
in the beta stage
or its like
less developed than her current one
dawn knot
oh were you talking about the face plate sry
peak escarp
she didn't have the face plate on her Blackwatch skin
reef thicket
yeah
he thought i was talking about the tank
i love that blackwatch moira skin shows that her tank has gone through development
since the one she has in that looks alot less
devoloped
instead of having massive pipes she just has a bunch of little tupes wrapped around
another thing to note is how damn quickly moira can just drain the life from people as shown in the retribution cinematic
takes down 3 grunts within like 3 seconds
dawn knot
like do you think every single grunt was a willing participant
or perhaps some sort of
clones or cyborgs
because there were
an aweful lot
like obviously not as much as actually in game but
it is mentioned that it was like they had
a whole army on hand
though maybe it's just because that was
literally terrorist headquarters
reef thicket
no they are definetly humans
steep epoch
chrante deti
reef thicket
pause
at 1:02
u can obviously see human eyes as reyes smacks a grunts head off
helmet off
reef thicket
thats part of the underhelm
im pretty sure
like usually soldiers have something between their armour and skin
dawn knot
yeah but it literally looks like
eyes on an all black surface
while sure that could just be
how it's shown in game
i still think there's something fishy with those grunts
i mean can't the
sniper and assassin ones teleport?
almost like a red fade
that's an interesting thing to think about if their abilities are totally canon
reef thicket
i think it was just when the sniper was introduced
dawn knot
i never actually played the event lol
reef thicket
it had red mist
it was speculated that moira was win talon in blackwatch
which was further backed by that but i doubt the entire army of soliders were cyborgs
they make human sounds
they move like humans
they have human behaviour
dawn knot
fair enough
but if those snipers
pretty much mere foot soldiers
have that "smoky" tech
then like it makes it so much more worthless to have in moira and reaper
like wow big woop you're the same as nearly a third of the army
limpid agate
The snipers were among the elite
dawn knot
fair enough, but it's still strange that they have
abilities that seemingly only moira could bestow at that point
to what seems like just one thing at a time and even then with great effort
so either talon got into some of that stuff and replicated it
limpid agate
The Assassins were also a curious case
dawn knot
or it's just a smoke bomb
limpid agate
With motion similar to Genji/Tracer
dawn knot
yeah
reef thicket
the snipers were NOT mere footsoliders
limpid agate
These were the Talon elite
dawn knot
i honestly think they were made to mirror heroes
reef thicket
and like 100000000000000000 soliders
dawn knot
just like the tank can ram like rein
dawn knot
and in that way it was meant to be game-wise something cool
limpid agate
Keep in mind, not only were they few in numbers and genetically enhanced, this was also a raid on Talon HQ
reef thicket
like the tank guy used charge
that was the exact same as reins
just stuns him if he hits the wall i think
limpid agate
The Sniper having genetic enhancements is not out of place or makes Moira less special
dawn knot
yeah i feel like it was just styalization to make them that way
though you could argue yes they have the same augmentations or similar ones
limpid agate
Especially considering they dont appear to be capable of it in the same degree as Moira/Reaper
dawn knot
how would they have gotten that way?
limpid agate
They use grappling hooks for mobility
limpid agate
And only seem to use the enhancements for a soft landing
reef thicket
i wish widow had a skin
of the talon sniper from that event
because the talon snipers looked badass
limpid agate
It would be an Ana skin, not a Widow skin
reef thicket
???
narrow nymph
Wasn't it playable using an exploit?
limpid agate
The silhouette is Anas