vivid pilot
overwatch is one of the most diverse games out there. they already have a gay character. like doctor_six said, they shouldn't just put them in because they are gay. that'll make it feel, "artificial". when the time is right, they'll probably add more.
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
you shouldn't assume
limpid agate
@vivid pilot Zarya is one of the few heroes who will likely never be gay
She is Russian
Making the Russian hero gay is a good way to piss off Russia, and potentially kill the game in the whole country
Reflections was never released in Russia just because of the Tracer kiss
iron plume
translated
limpid agate
According to Russian law, we cannot share this comic with our players in Russia.
iron plume
it's there in English
iron plume
on the english version on the site it's available in Russia
limpid agate
Correct
iron plume
thus it's released in russia
limpid agate
Not really the same, no
More
Its released globally
And Russia is part of the globe
So it can read it
But it was not released in Russia
iron plume
it's also not banned, it'd just get the site an 18+
limpid agate
Its not banned
But its not released
I can play Persona 4 Arena Ultimax 2.0, but it was never released in the west.
Having access to something != Released
Likewise
Not Having access to something != Banned
worthy rose
I seriously hate the lore ngl
I like the character designs but the backstories are forgetable
worthy rose
and the storyline is completely childish and unrealistic
take it like this
it's just HEROES! PEACE!
this fairytale shit
also the completely unrealistic things
I'll compare it to tf2 lore (yes it has one)
there are unrealistic things but they don't seem too off
solemn pike
you mean how dva survived a fall from an exploding mech from really high into the water
just a broken leg tho
worthy rose
and the story is about 2 brothers hiring mercenaries to get land of nearly useless gravel
shows what people will do for money
and not that
also the fanbase is really pathetic
idm if they make porn lgbt or nah
but when they start celebrating every leak to some romance even if it wasn't direct or intended then thats bs
solemn pike
yeah
worthy rose
I saw someone celebrating it above in this chat
solemn pike
for who?
worthy rose
I have no problem with LGBT people as long as they don't shove it right in my face
wdym by for who
solemn pike
oh that
worthy rose
McHanzo
solemn pike
lol
peak escarp
please do
solemn pike
i was about to play some OW
worthy rose
it's in a fairy tale like fashion
worthy rose
the way the story is told feels like that ngl
peak escarp
I think it feels more like a superhero cartoon/comic
regal coyote
it is supposed to be a superhero like storyline
half turret
it's like a mix of late '90s sci-fi anime and late '60s superhero comics
i'm talking evangelion vs. big hero 6
(wait, big hero 6 didn't exist in the '60s)
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
limpid agate
Big Hero 6 is 90s
half turret
i know lol
regal coyote
well the original of big hero 6 is a racist piece though
not intentionally racist, but product of its time, of a more stereotypical view of some cultures
limpid agate
?
What do you mean?
Its no more than Overwatch
Half of the Americans are cowboys
Theres a Japanese Ninja
The Korean is a gamer
etc
latent iron
False, Overwatch depicts Australians incorrectly
limpid agate
Overwatch depicts Australia's Outback as Mad Max.
peak escarp
you mean they aren't all irradiated pyromaniacs with half their limbs missing and/or grossly overweight enforcers?
latent iron
Or maybe, he’s not a true Aussie
limpid agate
Or
Its because the game is rated T
And no one swears
Not even in the shorts or comics
Worst you get is Tracer's "Wanker" on her punk skins, or Junkrat saying "Dammit" when he gets discorded
peak escarp
the harshest thing we get is a few "Damn"s when people get discorded
and Genji's "Kuso"
peak escarp
I'd love to hear Junkrat (or even just his VA doing the Junkrat voice) go on a fully Australian cursing spree
but it'll never happen
regal coyote
think about what sombra would say really. She is likely to do that when she is pissed too
Too bad rein is such a ncie guy or it would be glorious
nova elbow
there was a "shit" in one of the comics, wasn't there?
long ermine
Don't think so
tall python
How come there isnt an indian map?
nova elbow
it could well be next
regal coyote
bollywood map
valid shell
@regal coyote It would be Utopaea.
gritty dove
why would ow delete that atheist junkrat line, rating? I thought it was hilarious
regal coyote
Utopaea would be nice
runic scroll
what was the atheist junkrat line?
subtle moss
I don't think Aussies are as extra liable to cursing sprees as some people seem to think.
It's that some of the words others might consider curses we don't in the first place.
gritty dove
When he's in Nepal, he says "Now this place? Makes me wanna be an atheist."
peak escarp
I think she just has resting bitch face
toxic heart
no idea what emotions that is but sure
long ermine
Maybe envious
the pic has that kind of feel
spotlight being on dva, dva not being injured, dva looking comfortable and easy while the others are all seemingly on edge / injured
long ermine
I'd see that as more of an effort to single dva out rather than them two eing close
toxic heart
probably yeah i was trying to make a joke
brisk harbor
She’s kinda staring at dva so I agree with envious
peak escarp
I think she's looking at D.Va because she's the one talking
she's paying attention, unlike the other two
long ermine
I think they're all paying attention
The one on the left looks like they're looking at what I assume is a reporter
same place dva is looking while answering
one on the right might be looking at the reporter or the screen on the table, hard to tell
d.mon seems to be the only one to not be paying attention to me tbh
^^ how I see it
peak escarp
how is that not paying attention?
when someone is speaking, you're supposed to look at them
long ermine
if it's a conversation between two people directly, yeah
when its a press conference or a panel its different
if someone was staring at me while answering questions id feel kinda weird
peak escarp
people on panels look at each other all the time
long ermine
Maybe maybe, again I'm not certain on dmon but the left one is definitely paying attention
regal coyote
i think d.mon is more like in a "here she goes again..." kinda mood
i mean theya re all tired after the fight really, and d.va seem to sustain the least damage
dont really think d.mon is angry though
d.mon seems to be still "alive" compare to the two guys that are totally burn out
dawn chasm
.
pure kernel
,
dawn knot
rivals
valid shell
Stop.
pure kernel
Who?
peak escarp
DVa's rival is King, not D.Mon
peak escarp
D.Mon is like a big sister to DVa
fluid hare
We need more Exo-force heroes
peak escarp
they would be interesting, but they'd have to be different enough from DVa both in gameplay and silhouette
fluid hare
This is true
peak escarp
plus the devs said DVa was the hardest to program because she's 2 heroes in 1
so I don't think they want to do that again
fluid hare
But Iris from alpha confirmed to be new hero coming to us someday is nice
seems they named her echo
fluid hare
understandable I mean if she were an Omnic goddess players would expect her to be op and remain that way
peak escarp
people already think she's a human consciousness implanted in a robot
because that makes sense /s
fluid hare
She needs her own personal animated short not one attached to 2 other heroes
peak escarp
a lot of heroes do
fluid hare
and a few don't
long ermine
Not every hero needs an animated short
When she’s released she’ll get a short
But cinematics are rare
Every hero gets an origin short, very rarely a cinematic short
limpid agate
We get 2 cinematics a year
sacred island
limpid agate
@sacred island Not lore
peak escarp
I still want origin stories for the rest of the launch heroes
it's just what we need to flesh them out
dawn chasm
.
peak escarp
why is it so hard for people to accept that Tracer is 26 (as in, she was born 26 years ago)?
valid shell
Because her poorly explained superpower has to do with time travel, and when you haven't seen some very specific tweets/interviews, it can be reasonable to assume she ages differently?
peak escarp
but her ability isn't really time travel, it's time manipulation
valid shell
Wh
Which has to do with time travel.
I understand how it works, but asking why it's hard to understand why a character who swims isn't wet is a silly thing to ask.
limpid agate
So I'm watching a stream from yesterday
Cupcake speaking with the Art Manager Seth Lastname
He was talking about the writing team and cinematics, but the only writers he named were Michael Chu and Alyssa Wong
And Alyssa Wong is pretty new to the team, she was hired in the Summer
Is that the whole team?
peak escarp
they have other writers - they have credits on the comics
but I guess they're not in-house writers?
white cobalt
Or maybe they're the leaders from the writer group?
valid shell
It would be neat if Wrecking Ball's Adaptive Shields are canon and from his escape pod, where they were used to protect the pod during re-entry, but he modified them to react to enemies.
regal coyote
i also think the writers in blizz is not 100% assigned to a project
meaning they probably would write other stuff too in blizzard.
likewise may be involved in other project in a minor role. jsut that ow is their main project
On power ranger, it is a bit different
The REAL power ranger / sentai / etc originates from japan, and as such the colors unfortunately ahve some meaning.
The red would ALWAYS be the leader, like a pool or red paint on a white rectangle. (or worse, red radiating fucking sun in white rectangle)
but i guess that means nothing since D.Va and team is from korea, so would not be affected by such influence
Also, even if there is another unit of meka it does not mean there has to be a gremlin system.
as the game progress, the non-exotic skilled heroes would be easier to produce, sicne there are other characters as template, like ashe
PERSONAL OPINION: i think bob is a test to see if a "hero with pet" is viable in ow
feral lintel
bob is just a moving torb turret, really
long ermine
Gr8 b8
iron plume
Stop shitposting
regal coyote
@feral lintel not really
turret usually have no interaction with many of the abilities
the thing about bobn is that he is suspectable to most effects, not just damage for the msot part like turret
that and he actually have a effect on things like capturing and what not
feral lintel
yeah, true
regal coyote
imagine torby turret being able to push payload
feral lintel
lmao
regal coyote
you think it is bad... imagine symmetra turret being able to push payload and capture
oh, even being healable by general abilities would be OP
worthy rose
Lore discussion only my dudes
regal coyote
indeed
thinkw e will be able to have an introduced pet owner hero then?
i dont mean some kiddo with balls that release small enslaved wild animals, most likely someone/toaster with a pet robot creature that does things
story wise it expands on the less smart robotic creatures
I mean, there is no fucking way a slicer omnic will have same right as a human as we know it
so how do these robotic creatures place in ow's lore and world? a hero with pet would answer that
on top of gameplay
and it makes sense, since things like that exist in ow... snowball is kinda like that though not playable and of limited functions, we have the slicers, and we know things like w,ball have some ai at least if not more
tulip nebula
you mean like a swarm of tiny robots or one or two small robots?
hasty surge
I think it's still quite limited to what "bots" can do
regal coyote
depending, i think "bots" is a spectrum, from a literal toaster that beeps to zenyatta
hasty surge
I was expecting BOB to go like winston's ult
And currently we haven hear to seen bob speak
regal coyote
we at least know that the slicer type of omnic is quite dumb relatively, and it seems things like detonator have a mind less than an Ant i would say
hasty surge
"Bots" meaning in game
regal coyote
well bob is silent obviously, cause bob
hasty surge
And currently we haven't hear to seen bob speak in lore
It gives me the feeling that bob is abit the kind if a follower bot
regal coyote
i know, it is ashe and silent bob, but i do think devs draw silent bob concept fromt hat, he is mostly capable of speach, or at least if a vocalizer is installed
hasty surge
Not Ominics like Zenyatta
regal coyote
well i think bob may not be the smartest, but they mention ashe learn from him
hasty surge
I may be wrong of course
hasty surge
Bob may actually be like zen level but not shown yet
regal coyote
you see him also waiting for ashe when she is released from police
so he a full on butler
i would say zen level of awareness is like a step beyond everyone else that should only be attained by really rare and select individuals
so probably not bob
but would say he is good enough to be a daddy figure to ashe
*FATHER
hasty surge
The question is how sentient is bob
regal coyote
^
i guess they took his silent bob as being "not smart"
but consider he is the father figure he aint too bad in terms of smarts
probably a bit criminal minded as well
regal coyote
I mean put it this way, unless you are a dumbfuk you would agree with evolution, and at some point in time we are definitely sentient
but before that, i am sure there is a point where we are just lil creatures
long ermine
thats p rude 👀
regal coyote
so it is not a ureka moment, but a gradual thing
well as a fox you are pretty smart of a creature, and pretty too
but that said, pretty sure it is not to point of sentient fully?
now things like crows we can talk about, or dolphins, or chimps
long ermine
thats assuming we're the peak sentient species
i dont have any opinions either way, im just trying to point out how subjective it all is
arguing about sentience and consciousness and such is always a headache
peak escarp
seems like a yes or no question to me
something either is aware and capable of feeling, or it is not
sapience is more of a scale, since that's a measure of intelligence and being able to form rational thoughts
regal coyote
well you have to define feeling then
depend on how you do it
i mean if you want to say feel sadness then many animals is in bad mood when their friend or mate or relative is gne
does that count?
how far of a feeling would you accept then?
like can you say a tree is entient if it shows stress towards chemicals released due to destruction of other trees?
so i would say it is better to put it in a grading scale
that said, ignoring the whole inorganics/organics wuestion and what not, thigns like bob in this sense is for sure fitting both.
i would say even snowball shows soem degree of it, though probably not to the degree of a human, probably to the degree of a smarter dog
frosty shell
Echo being a human in a robot's body isn't implausible, considering how advanced OW tech is in some fields
regal coyote
animals have that
frosty shell
Unlikely theory: Echo is Liao's consciousness
peak escarp
very unlikely
nova elbow
hey, that's what I thought!
peak escarp
unless they establish that transferring someone's consciousness into a robot/computer is possible, I'm gonna say that's not it
cedar galleon
God I hope one day we get liao
smoky lava
If we don't it would be Liao-sy
chilly radish
Hey guys quick question about tracer
How far can she go back with her translocator
And cant she have winston tweak it so she can go farther back
regal coyote
her chrono ability only goes back that far
in fact it is barely controlable with winston's device
so yeah, not that far
so no she is not like fash
she cant go back in time to prevent her accidents from happening
nor can she go kill soemone's mother to prevent a birth
dense estuary
Has she ever used the rewind outside of gameplay? I know blink has been in shorts and comics
regal coyote
wtf she used rewind in the cinematic short
misty goblet
She used it when she walked through widow's poison cloud
latent merlin
Look
Here's what happens
She's the only one affected by time travel
Nothing else
Only her
peak escarp
and it's not even proper time travel (disappear in one time, reappear in another)
it's rewinding/fast forwarding herself through time
to the outside observer she appears to teleport
and interestingly, she seems to remember what happens when she recalls
iron plume
basically she uses the flashback from racing games
dawn knot
i personally take it as teleportation that's called "time travel"
so yeah you
are right
valid shell
But apparently her brain retains the same degradation and neuron patterns to remember everything from before she rewinded?
Really, Recall makes more sense than Blink. Teleporting back to an imprint of yourself from 3 seconds ago isn't crazy. Teleporting to where you're going to be in the immediate future is wild, since it brings about questions of fate and a prime timeline.
pearl blade
Idk if it's right but I take it as her personal time speeds up while everything around her slows down so she's able to move at super fast speeds compared to everything else
Again, idk if it's right but it's my headcanon
peak escarp
that's how I understand it
cedar moon
What exactly is tracer’s timeline
Like she can manipulate it
But is she in a different plane of existence
dawn knot
what if the recalled tracer is another tracer from another timeline and
whenever she does that the whole like
multiverse of tracers just shifts over
ones with memories of the future but with no damage shifting back
idk if that makes any sense
peak escarp
that sounds too convoluted
flint briar
Clearly she just does the Time Warp!
But yea, time stuff is very strange.
gilded cobalt
i think shes just a smokin hot mama
fair jay
what if her time speeds up so much that she just has the time to heal naturally.
timid eagle
Time travel can be quite convoluted, so I’m fine with it being simply that she can only go back a few minutes (at best) and Tracer can’t influence the outcome.
At least with those rules, she isn’t busted like most time traveling heroes.
latent iron
If Tracer's blink is just her "jumping" into the future, how can she defy gravity
limpid agate
The same way you can shoot through Reinhardt's shield, but not get shot at from the opposite direction.
Its more convenient.
valid shell
Yes, I understand. But how Tracer's blink behaves doesn't make sense with her powers.
Unless her Blink is her actually jumping to the position of another possible timeline of herself.
limpid agate
I'd argue a hard light wall letting some things pass and other things not also doesn't make sense.
They seem fairly omnidirectional
valid shell
In lore, they probably just work one-way.
If an ally tried to shoot through the front of Rein's shield canonically, it would likely also be stopped.
limpid agate
Because in this shot, rocks are hitting it from Reinhardt's side
And getting shielded
Then in the next immediate shot, the other side is doing the same
dawn knot
I think it's reliant on speed
perhaps the bullets fired by the troops are just below the threshhold required to activate the shield
or perhaps it's dependent on material
and the bullets are different in so that they move through the shield
if that were the case you'd think omnics would catch onto it
so i think it's the speed thing
ik the game isn't totally canon but i'd suppose it's the same reason you can walk through shields
because you're not going fast enough to trigger it, like some sort of semi fluid
where the more pressure or speed you apply the harder it gets
if that makes any sense
dawn knot
yes yes that's
what i meant yeah
but at the same time one would this rocks are flying slower than bullets
so perhaps it's a combination of the two
or maybe they keep formatting it for new materials once the omnics start adapting and using the previous in their bullets
or maybe the shorts just have plotholes who knows
oh nvm maybe the weight of the rocks makes them more likely to bounce off even if they're going slower
so maybe it's that too
bigger objects take less speed
dense estuary
I think a lot of it is gameplay too, But in theory considering the tech of the game the bullets could be sheethed in energy of the exact same frequency modulation of the shield and as such pass through.
dawn knot
yes but like i said one would reasonably think, since they're produced at such a fast rate by a continuously evolving ai, that the omnics would soon adapt to this and use the same technology in their ammunition
unless they just didn't have the raw capability to do so
perhaps the omniums didn
't have any means by which they could produce hardlight
we know orisa can deploy a shield but
she's a newer version, and the skin is just that, a skin
we don't know if those shown in the short had any shield to deploy
but they did have those sword dealies
but they aren't the traditional colour of hardlight
so we can't assume that they are
like i said, even if the omniums weren't able at first, they most likely could upgrade themselves
or maybe, like you said, it has something to do with frequency
and perhaps each squad of crusaders has a different frequency, or even down to each individual
and their troops have guns formatted towards their crusador
so that nothing could ever catch on because everything is different
on top of that they could even perhaps scramble these frequencies after each battle
ok this is all coming together for me but
tell me if this is too much or farfetched
in the end who really knows lol
perhaps one of brigitte's duties is "shield frequency scrambling" lol
oh also on the tracer thing, there are voicelines relating sombra's trans-locator, and tracer's chronal accelerator
on how the translocator is just "stolen tech"
valid shell
Correct.
dawn knot
idk i feel like the accelerator is really just a teleportation device labelled as time travel for whatever reason
peak escarp
the translocator is based on the chronal accelerator
dawn knot
perhaps it has something to do with time, but as we know time and space are very neatly intertwined
unless sombra is time travelling
which is something to think about i guess
dawn knot
that's what this place's for tho lol
also invisibility strikes me as odd
because in order to have that you need light to be able to pass through
so her augmentations must somehow shift her atoms apart a little
so that enough passes through
or maybe it's quickly taking in the environment and reflecting it back on the other side seamlessly
because
when she begins the transition, she looks like a a bit reflective with streaks of purple and code for flare i'd assume
i'm not sure if the purple is a byproduct or she made it that way
purple is the colour with the highest vibration on the electromagnetic wave spectrum
so who knows
dense estuary
of course it could also just be an anti-frustration gameplay feature, so that your team does not get denied kills when your rein pops the shield up.
regal coyote
I think due to the cinematic, the shields may be directional
so letting something going from oen way to another, and probably controllable
sinful sphinx
We honestly don’t have the tech to try and figure it out and I feel like it’s also up to the creators on how they process shields bc if you look at Star Wars deflector shields are directional but if you look at halo bubble shields aren’t so it’s safe to say that a lot of it is just preference
opaque stratus
@sinful sphinx The other argument that could be made is that in Halo the Bubble Shields were intended largely for on-field medics
Whereas stuff like Rein and Brig's shields were designed for direct combat
sinful sphinx
True but then the problem arises is how does the shield decide that ally fire can pass through but enemy fire cannot
valid shell
@sinful sphinx That's literally what we're discussing.
sinful sphinx
Ik
All I was saying is we don’t have a high enough understanding of tech like that to even determine that so I said it usually just comes down to the creators preferences
opaque stratus
@sinful sphinx In-gameplay I imagine it's down to "well it would be broken otherwise"
In lore it's probably coded to recognise certain weapons
If you ever played Metal Gear Solid 4 the excuse they give for not just grabbing the guns of beaten enemies is the guns are fingerprint locked to the owner
Could be something similar with allied weapons
Like each weapon has to be specifically programmed to go through Reinhardt's shield in-universe and won't work for anyone else
limpid agate
This is dangerous handwave technology
Its best to just say, it works because it works
Why can Tracer blink up? Why can Reins shield stop only specific things from either angle?
Like, your example about stuff being programmed to go through it
Sure, that handles debris and enemy fire
But then what about the shield clipping through the floor?
dawn knot
that's where my speed hypothesis comes into play
a combination of that and the scrambling one
or perhaps that is just for the game's sake
as we don't ever really see anything like that in the cinematic
if we can even trust everything in the cinematic
as in one we see genji seemingly teleport in a cloud of smoke
and nowhere is that ever explained
but yet where does the true canon lie in that case?
limpid agate
And it never will be
It works
because it works
Its firm science fiction
They dont want to explain the science or tech behind it
They just want it to work
So it does
dawn knot
why are you talking like that in the lore chat though
theorizing is literally what this place is for, no?
limpid agate
iron plume
the lore of how the shields (and most technology in-game) works is "don't think about it"
limpid agate
Watch this if you havent yet
peak escarp
some things just aren't worth speculating about because we don't have enough information
dawn knot
anyways i have a feeling he just escaped very quickly after the "smoke bomb" was deployed
iron plume
the "firm scifi" is pretty bullshit, since that's pretty much soft sci-fi wheelhouse
peak escarp
or it literally works because it has to and there are going to be some inconsistencies
iron plume
but it's consistent within universe
limpid agate
Tracer is dislocated from time and can blink to where she will be in the future/recall to where she was in the past.
BUT
She retains all memory, ages normally, and can somehow blink up.
dawn knot
thats why i believe it has more to do with teleportation than anything else
limpid agate
There is no fancy sci fi explanation
limpid agate
Other than
Chronal Dissassiaction, and her Chronal Accelerator
Youre never going to get much past that.
Its a pseudo time travelling tech, aaaaand... Thats it
dawn knot
fair enough, so what do we get to talk about here
are we going against the rules somehow by theorizing about the potential technology behind the gadgets in this game?
is that wrong somehow
limpid agate
Im not saying its against the rules
peak escarp
it's not against the rules
limpid agate
Im just saying its not worth our time to talk about it when we already know it will never be explored.
peak escarp
but you're never going to get an answer
dawn knot
it's ok i just like posting my thoughts here
peak escarp
Blizzard is never going to explain how/why it works
dawn knot
because i can't anywhere else
peak escarp
you could post on the forums/reddit
dawn knot
:/ u mean the reddit this discord is connected to
i doubt they'd have a different response considering this place
does it bother you guys that i like to talk about this stuff in the proper chat i just
dont get it
peak escarp
most people aren't interested in the technical details of the lore
dawn knot
i dont care about answers
alright so we should just be talking about
basic stuff like
who new heroes would be perhaps
peak escarp
yes, that's a common topic of discussion
or how heroes might interact or react to different events
limpid agate
Here is hero 30 speculation.
dawn knot
hmkay but regardless, i wasn't the one who started this anyways, i merely hopped onto discussions of tracer and reinhardt's technology
so why did you guys not enter then?
why now?
limpid agate
Because I wasnt online then.
peak escarp
because I have nothing to say on the topic
limpid agate
And I am now
dawn knot
gosh dang
peak escarp
Reinhardt's shield and Tracer's blink/recall work because the story needs them to work
dawn knot
ok regardless, i'll do me, and i'm sure people will talk about normal stuff here too
win win
peak escarp
some things just aren't worth my effort
long ermine
@limpid agate You don't think Junker queen is as likely anymore?
limpid agate
For 30?
No
Ashe/Hammond fill both of her roles
Mech Champion, and "gang" leader
Using gang in quotes because Junkertown isnt a gang
But its pretty close
long ermine
Fair
limpid agate
My top expectation is Hamid Faisal
But hopefully the January map will shed new light into things
Or maybe even CNY if we get a new CTF map
Even if its done like Castillo and uses existing assets/location, it should be a good way to expand some lore
Like... A new watchpoint for example
Would reuse textures from Gibraltar/Tutorial/Training
But also add new stuff to tell us more about something
long ermine
they'll probably use watchpoint assets as soon as they care more about making more maps for the competitive side rather than lore side
regal coyote
Wonder why you think Sven and Lynx is on the linkely for H30?
I do agree Sven is looking good as an antag for the Torby family though.
limpid agate
Because I wanted an even row of three
regal coyote
But Lynx? Really?
limpid agate
And Chu recently showed interest in Sven
regal coyote
oh
limpid agate
And has potential to fill in a lot of requested gameplay niches
regal coyote
but ability wise unless he is faking it it seems he is really not a skillful chap
limpid agate
Support Hacker is a unique take on Sombra's kit
regal coyote
I agree, a protag type of hacker, or neutral hacker is cool
limpid agate
CDR, Cleansing, etc. They have otpions
But its more because
The three below are incredibly unlikely
regal coyote
agree
regal coyote
the triplets are featured :3
so i guess they are not one off but the regular moot for ashe now
valid shell
They're Terran-Zerg-Protoss themed, right?
iron plume
yes they have respective tattoos
hazy heart
peak escarp
yes
we know she's not related to Athena (her logo was just put there to fill space)
and not related to Vishkar either
frosty shell
Reinhardt's shield being one-direction isn't that hard to explain
Maybe it is only hard on one side or something
Or the energy projects outward
pearl blade
Shitposting is a nah @hazy heart. If it isn't then sorry.
Magic doesn't exist in the OW universe. Everything exists by technology
olive karma
Is Dva Caucasian
iron plume
...no
rustic ivy
Shes korean
olive karma
Those are different things but k
long ermine
caucasian means white and from europe/an descent
so white americans are caucasian
as they're from europe, mainly
koreans aren't caucasian
valid shell
@olive karma tf do you think caucasian means
frosty shell
Do we ever see anybody walk through a shield in Honor and Glory?
long ermine
White isn’t Caucasian
Caucasian is white but you don’t have to be Caucasian to be white
quiet fog
Wut
limpid agate
Its a synonym nowadays
long ermine
Synonym ?
limpid agate
For white.
quiet fog
Cinnamon
peak escarp
synonym = words that mean the same thing
quiet fog
You know
limpid agate
Synonym means two words with the same definition
long ermine
Ahhh ok
limpid agate
Like huge and giant
quiet fog
Oh
worthy rose
Whenever I come into this chat yall always talking about race 
quiet fog
Hm
peak escarp
people are too preoccupied with race
olive karma
Lol, let's get back to other things
peak escarp
like what?
the Triplets are featured in a spray for Ashe
do you think that means they have no plans to make them playable?
I can see Bars being a hero
limpid agate
I dont think the spray is evidence for that thanks to Brigitte appearing in sprays, as well as the Queen.
But I also dont think they will ever be playable
valid shell
The triplets will never be playable unless the community really latches onto them.
reef thicket
so close to a gold gun
2082 comp points atm 😦
also debating on either moira or hammond
peak escarp
@reef thicket this is the lore discussion channel
peak escarp
I like that Chu answers questions on Twitter, but I don't like that he isn't answering mine :/
still no word on whether that omnic in Recall is Echo or just a similar model
limpid agate
Considering there are similar bodies in Anubis, I would think its just a similar model
peak escarp
that's what I'm thinking
but people keep bringing it up, so I'd like to get an answer on it
why is there suddenly so much interest in Mohawk Guy?
limpid agate
Some guy made a video about an ancient theory from when Masquerade came out
timid eagle
I feel indifferent towards Ashe, so I’m hoping the next hero is cooler.
Female McCree and Robo Butler are not cutting it for me.
peak escarp
I like her
she's got a level of charisma most of the other female heroes are missing
timid eagle
I’m glad you do, but I feel that she’s a character that’s more of a incidental.
peak escarp
a few of the launch heroes are basically incidental
they don't contribute to the plot except to further someone else's story
timid eagle
Another issue that I have, is she’s another white chick with a non-distinct silhouette.
runic scroll
i feel like her silhouette is pretty distinct?
unless you mean something other than her outline in gameplay
timid eagle
I actually confused her as McCree at times, believe it or not.
peak escarp
she's distinct from Ana and Widowmaker, who have similar poses
valid shell
@runic scroll His point probably leans more towards her skin color than her silhouette.
Since that's what people care most about.
timid eagle
Eh, I have to disagree. Her facial features are not sharp enough, so there’s overlap to Widow’s. Same eyebrow shape, puffy lips, etc.
During the BlizzCon panel we had for Ashe, I love the design of her in the Storyboard panels, with Ashe having more pronounced cheekbones, weary features, and sharper jawline.
limpid agate
They're not that similar
Especially if youre going by silhouette
Ashe is closer to Ana than Widow
Their silhouettes are nothing alike
peak escarp
Ashe's features got rounded on her character model because of Blizzards house art style
her official art is more angular
valid shell
When you get into skins I can consent a little, since some of McCree's skins have a longer coat that puts him in Ashe or Mariachi Reaper territory, but that's been an issue since launch.
limpid agate
Widowmaker stands tall and has a tight bodysuit that outlines her "assets".
Ashe has a cape, a large hat, and is flatter than Genji.
Only looking at defaults here, not looking at skins. Then you get things like confusing D.Va for Tracer.
valid shell
And yeah, I feel like cinematic!Ashe is rigged on Widowmaker's Alive model a little. Their in-game faces are much much much more distinct.
limpid agate
I think Ashe is the only girl who has a hat
limpid agate
And only other hero other than McCree
runic scroll
don't forget bob, the seventh hero of the team
timid eagle
I honestly would’ve preferred Bob over Ashe, as he’s an Omnic gentleman brawler.
limpid agate
Ana has a longer cape, no hat, and worse posture
valid shell
Does Ashe detract from Bob's design?
Having them both is better than only one, in my eyes.
peak escarp
Bob has very little character
valid shell
He's included in most of her sprays, half her victory poses, one of her highlight intros, and about 20% of her gameplay.
He's pretty in there.
peak escarp
he doesn't even speak
timid eagle
It does for me, as I keep mistaking Ashe for McCree.
valid shell
My condolences.
runic scroll
i mean, if blizz intended to have bob as a playable character, they could have given him more of a defined character
peak escarp
Bob is as present in Ashe's sprays as Efi is in Orisa's
runic scroll
the fact that he doesn't have much character is an evidence that he was never really considered as a playable hero imo
valid shell
Neither was Ashe.
peak escarp
is it really a problem to mistake Ashe for McCree? both are dangerous
valid shell
Both of them were conceived to be setpieces for McCree's backstory and short. Ashe speaks so McCree has someone to banter with, and Bob doesn't because Ashe does the talking.
limpid agate
One has a small gun, the other has a long rifle.
And the one with the long rifle is usually hunched over a bit
Not like Ana, just a littl
valid shell
One has a bottom-heavy long coat, the other has a top-heavy poncho silhouette.
limpid agate
And even still... They do the same thing
valid shell
One has tapered legs, the other has heavy chaps/boots.
The only overlap is their hats.
limpid agate
You see them, its a long range burst hitscan with a mobility shift and an alternative explosive they can combo on e.
runic scroll
i can kiiiiind of see the mccree gambler/riverboat skin being similar to default ashe
but i personally wouldn't mistake the two
limpid agate
Thats a skin.
runic scroll
blues was saying that he mistook ashe/mccree silhouettes
i don't think he'd be mistaking silhouettes in shorts
although idk why the complaint on silhouette was made in the lore channel
actual design-wise, ashe and mccree are pretty damn distinct
since you get to see the whole modeling, colors and all
valid shell
I do wish Ashe was a bit more biker, but whatever.
runic scroll
she does look more like a sheriff than an outlaw imo
if it wasn't for the deadlock insignia on her back
frosty shell
Ashe doesn't really look like Widow at all
limpid agate
@dawn knot Lever Action Rifle
valid shell
@dawn knot Very real! It's the gun that "won the west".
Lever-action repeating rifle by Winchester.
An incredibly fitting pick for OW's second cowboy. Lever-action and revolver were the cowboy's arsenal.
Ashe's double-barrel too, but not so much, and rarely sawed-off.
dawn knot
hm
fair enough
i doubt mcree's gun is actually real tho lol
blizzad doesnt care that much
valid shell
Oh, neither is Ashe's.
They're both wacky sci-fi renditions of their respective guns.
dawn knot
huh
valid shell
Like how Ashe's lever-action has a pop-up holographic sight.
And McCree's revolver has glowing bullets and a spur on the grip.
dawn knot
i'll show you real...
valid shell
They're loosely based on a https://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/img/products/original/winchester_model_1866_short_rifle_lever_action_rifle_1478051_1.jpg
But as you can see, much chunkier and more cartoony.
And more high-tech.
dawn knot
yeah but those are like animated
(also where can i get some lol)
i need to find four huts in the woods
there i will finally develop a comprehensive
like
theory for overwatch
valid shell
I don't understand.
dawn knot
it's ok i'm just
idk what i'm saying i know those are real
i'm just poking fun for whatever reason
ngl tho hopefully the fbi doesnt come after me considering i just asked for a way to obtain guns
probably overthinking things tho
also i'd imagine
in the character like opening dealy
that a slingshot made of 'energy or whatever
would be highly impractical
but yet she's shown shooting winebottles and such
maybe it's just exaggeration to demonstrate how rich she was
valid shell
k
dawn knot
lol
regal coyote
McCree is one exception when it comes to weapon design
The story is that the dev like the gun, and design the gun to be playable, and make a character for it
As for personality and shit, one day a godly D&D DM shows up in Blizz, and he basically goes "I wanna be this guy" and as such Matt Mercer becoems the VA of him.
Name Jesse McCree is just a random nobody human working in Blizz, his name is western enough to get blizz to want his name
So yeah there is probably mroe focus on making the gun at first
BTW the gun comes from HL3, srsly. Dev like the gun from HL and use that as inspiration
timid eagle
HL’s revolver is a fun weapon, so it made so much sense to basically bring it to Overwatch.
regal coyote
they need to have the railgun from the old Doom series
valid shell
@regal coyote "random nobody human"
Homie he's a lead level designer who's had his name plugged in Blizzard properties since BC
regal coyote
I sad it cause in this case he is not involved in the overwatch project, and the only reason he gets contacted in this case is just his name. :3
So yeah, in this case his contribution to ow is only name ... he is working on other stuff
frosty shell
McCree wasn't just designed around a gun
He was inspired by Metzen's space cowboy concept
regal coyote
nope
said by designer team in 2016
designed around a gun which was in HL
they snap a cyber cowboy on it cause it is cool
and it becomes one of the concept pictures thing... and matt mercer choose it and add eprsonality
so it is a group effort and a great one
valid shell
Elements were lifted from Metzen's OG Jim concept, but the bulk of it is how Milk says.
regal coyote
metzen gifted out some great concepts.
that is on top of 76
i still wish one year we would get 76 in a ski mask
timid eagle
I wouldn’t mind a series of skins that are taken from earlier character concept art.
feral lintel
they already did that for lucio, so i don't see why they wouldn't want to for other heroes
peak escarp
I want Mercy's green scrubs concept design
limpid agate
I want the final nail in Wildebeest's coffin: A Rein skin
feral lintel
his coffin was open?
iron plume
no
but it should be slammed down
feral lintel
then why phrase it as though people thought he wasn't just old concept art?
iron plume
because some people still think he is a hero somewhere out there
the coffin is shut as in there's no possibility of it
but there's still "dae hero 30"
feral lintel
why? he's in exactly the same pose as reinhardt's official art
so it's clear that reinhardt replaced him
limpid agate
Wildebeest became Reinhardt, Orisa, and Brigitte
But is still a canon character in Recall, and I still see people mention him
feral lintel
some of mei's concept art outfits are really cool
i'd love to see one of those as a skin
limpid agate
If it doesnt change the silhouette
THey can do it
But that turns Mei into some Canadian with chopsticks for legs
feral lintel
well, i meant more along the lines of mei in this character's outfit
rather than mei being replaced by this concept entirely
limpid agate
I guess, it seems pretty plain
Instead of a chinese dress coat, leggings, and boots
Its a native dress coat, leggings, and boots with claws on them
late valley
how did reyes become reaper?
iron plume
as in physically?
iron plume
SEP manipulation caused side effects because of which he went to Moira
she in turn experimented on him and gave him partial powers
then either it went out of control by itself or triggered by the HQ explosion
peak escarp
that about sums it up
hoary carbon
wow, yes it doees
peak escarp
he's not just a weirdo after all
regal coyote
still a weirdo
lean prawn
anyone can be a hero
we have humans at the peak of physical fitness shooting black holes and someone who can time travel
but roadhog is out there repping us
obese man who flings literal garbage at people
pure kernel
oddities
dawn knot
wait what is
"SEP"
pardon my ignorance
has it anything to do with the super soldier program
dawn knot
ok that makes snese
peak escarp
no shitposting
valid shell
@trail goblet No, you're not.
trail goblet
Its a theory
trail goblet
I didn't say anyone was
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
valid shell
You're trying to explain how you genuinely believe a robot impregnated a 2 year old girl?
How embarrassing.
brisk bay
what's going on here
valid shell
Scroll up.
trail goblet
Ask him
floral herald
Because you guys can't have a good discussion about this topic, change it.
trail goblet
I'm explaining a far fetched fan theory
limpid agate
My bad, I was doing something else.
!mute 363833171902464002 Shitposting in lore after warning.
twilit nacelleBOT
👌 Muted MetheMLG#4798 indefinitely
brisk bay
thanks jewv
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
@dawn knot If you want more about the Soldier Enhancement Program, it was a super-soldier program the United States ran before the Omnic Crisis. There were at least two "soldiers" to come out of it, #24 Gabriel Reyes, and #76 Jack Morrison.
dawn knot
i'm aware yes
i just did not know of the acronym used for it
is it fan made?
that may be why
regardless i'
m not too into soldier's part of the story anyways
thank you though despite that
limpid agate
Seems to be a fan acronym, yes.
dawn knot
makes sense
ornate cloud
Yea
peak escarp
we don't know
runic scroll
I feel like he didn’t have a real parental influence for some reason
peak escarp
we just know he was on a farm before he met Ashe
runic scroll
Hmm maybe i was thinking of something else
Huh, where is the farm mentioned?
Does ashe say that?
peak escarp
it's in one of their interactions
runic scroll
I wonder how messed up deadlock gang was though
In its heyday
Think they murdered?
smoky delta
Ashe quotes cowboy bebop and it pleases me
I think the deadlock gang, from some of ashes voice lines, was a gang that killed people but it was circumstantial. Such as someone who wronged them would get killed or if they were a big enough threat
How ever I think their main strengths were stealing, sabotaging, and controlling the flow of things. They'd be a hell of an ally but also a hell of an enemy
They plan things so hiests, kidnappings, or elaborate sabotaging were probably common things or at least some of the more common things they did
timid eagle
Fitting, because Ashe's voice actress played a big role in Cowboy Beebop: The Movie.
Electra was the character, I think.
regal coyote
yes she likes playing space characters
FemShep, and star wars too
She was the voice of someone important, Bastila Shan!
Before disney genocide the whole star wars EU and rape all the history into an empty legacy that is.
So yeah some comment of magical force or a laser sword is gonna be funny
something like "do you guys not have laser swords?"
iron plume
if we're going to reference everything Jen Hale has been in, we'll double the number of voicelines in the entire game
and Shepard is her iconic role, much more so than a side character in SW
regal coyote
yes femshep is big,
but i think people here already complain about my joke of suggesting "alien sexy times" on that silly alien thing in some maps
but yes still think "i'm glad i wont have to date one of these things" is funny af
also bastila shan is quite a main character in that old republic star wars series, is an excellant game, great acting, and story wise important for star wars history (used to, pre disney)
long ermine
bastila 😄
dawn knot
i wonder if there is a canonical reason why you can fit like fifteen tracers in roadhog
or if it's just stylization
because i'm not sure anyone, no matter how obese, could get that big
and still be mobile too
subtle moss
Radiation.
peak escarp
I've seen some pretty large people
pearl blade
I'd like to say a mix of stylization and radiation
subtle moss
People can get that big but they're also basically cripples
regal coyote
cause ratings
i mean unbirthing is a fetish but i dont think jeff want it in this game
so no tracer inside roadhog, or roadhog inside tracer
the latter mostly cause tracer dont like meat
no bacon one more time
dawn knot
no no i meant like
for proportion
i mean tracer is still a small person
i can't imagine roadhog could be that large
perhaps
considering there is a tank of "healing liquid" that he stores in his containers
in his barn
perhaps there is other science junk out there too
perhaps roadhog messed around with some tossed out "super soldier fluid" 
most likely not, but still
because like yeah while radiation messes with junk
it doesn't do that
and i know blizzard knows better
feral lintel
it's just the art style, probably
reinhardt's armor doesn't look like his hands would be able to reach the gauntlets but they do anyway
dawn knot
yeah that's what i figured
worthy rose
why does everyone start fighting eachother did the UN hire former overwatch agents and criminals to stop the overwatch reform as others are sent on missions by talon or something to spark another conflict, just guessing off what parts of the map are like such as the payload in kings row
pearl blade
The in-game events aren't canon. The maps and heroes are tho
peak escarp
the maps represent stories/events, but the heroes weren't all involved in all of them
like the Route 66 train robbery - that was just McCree and Ashe (and the Deadlock gang)
worthy rose
wonder what will happen if doomfist had a clean 1v1 vs winston
lean prawn
pharah vs widowmaker would be pretty cool to watch
worthy rose
well winston beat doomfist in a 1v1 before , but doom did already 1v2 genji & tracer , so maybe doomfist spent some of his energy of them
since by one of his facial expressions in the origins he was getting pressured by them
lean prawn
doomfist fucking bodied tracer and genji pretty effortlessly
worthy rose
then winston is a fucking BEAST
lean prawn
tracer got a ton of hits in because she's fast but doomfist looked more pissed than hurt when going up against her
worthy rose
he didn't look hurt that's true , but he didn't also act like its nothing
would be pretty fun to see another animated short like the widow vs tracer where the villain wins
lean prawn
he had his guard up, so it probably hurt a little bit, but not enough to actually substantially wound him
lucio vs widowmaker would be awesome to watch
worthy rose
well problem is we dont know jackshit about the winston vs doomfist 1v1 except that doom got beaten, there's a possiblity that winston beat doomfist without a sweat and the possibility of winston barely beating him
lean prawn
as far as i know everything about lucio's kit is canon except for his auras
worthy rose
doomfist vs hanzo tho
or doomfist vs reinhardt
also do we know anything about how powerful doomfist's gauntlet actually is?
rose escarp
the comics and descriptions explain a large part of it
"rocket punch" not sure how canon that is but it explains the damage that he does, combined with his pure physical strength
valid shell
@worthy rose It can level a skyscraper.