so it's not part of the ow lore? just for the junkenstein stuff?
#lore-discussion
loud raptor
pearl blade
Pretty sure yeah
split night
all Halloween lore is separate from canon. although they allude to real world events, such as hanzo "killing" his brother they are separate universes
loud raptor
ok thx đ
sacred hamlet
Ok at least that explains why McCree didn't get filled with holes the moment they started that starring contest
Guess she's either too into him, or she would've felt remorse after killing an old friend
runic scroll
i'm just satisfied to see a deadlock gang hero
i wanted to see a minor faction hero, so basically not talon/OW but still have some kind of presence
limpid agate
I like that they also fleshed out the rest a little
Same characters recurring in the origin story
The three guys apparently being triplets
runic scroll
yeah
who knows? i know jeff said it jokingly
but we might one day get the sniper guy
or the triplet
runic scroll
i think the triplet could be an interesting mechanic
sacred hamlet
Dota 2 Cancer Trio PogU
I honestly feel defeated after Ashe's announcement
Her existence probably means the Junkerqueen won't become a thing for quite some time
Plus Echo being a possible hero next year
runic scroll
i mean, if he was going to be a playable hero, i'm sure he would have had a more fleshed out skill set
although this is all gameplay
i think not speaking very much could be a character though
iron plume
He doesnât have a fleshed out personality either
no it wouldnât
hammond âdoesnât speakâ but he has something that does
runic scroll
we don't know if he's incapable of speaking
iron plume
the closest is Bastion and itâs still expressive
runic scroll
or just someone who doesn't speak much
iron plume
they confirmed he doesnât at all at a panel
runic scroll
ah okay
like literally no voice module?
i think you can still add whirring sounds or clicking, etc
restive flower
bronze roost
So we gonna forget about Orisa? 
peak escarp
what about her?
bronze roost
That she can speak?
pure kernel
Is that good or bad
peak escarp
Orisa being able to talk isn't weird
fringe token
I think the whole point is that Omnics, generally speaking, are usually able to talk.
Just like you said.
So BOB is either programmed to not talk, maybe he was built without a voice chip, or he just prefers to stay quiet.
valid shell
I wonder if the other two Deadlock founders are behind bars, probably in Helix, and Ashe slipped through the judicial system because of her name.
split night
echo seems like she's going to be HUGE, maybe she's the reason behind the lack of lore recently? theyve been saving it all up for some huge reveal involving her?
hasty surge
apparently ominic sweats
plus Bob was the one who ripped off Mcree's arm (you already know)
Mcree's arm was ripped after the venice mission, and there's likely a confrontation between Mcree and the deadlock gang which results in mcree gettinghis arm ripped
echo was deactivated before winston joined Overwatch (before the escape the moon?)
Mcree and Echo was partners? Echo was in blackwatch?
split night
it hasnt been confirmed that bob took out mcree's first arm. the way she phrased it in the short meant that it either had happened that way or he lost it some other way and ashe was offering to have bob remove the other one for him
west cove
valid shell
@hasty surge Bob did not rip off McCree's arm.
regal coyote
Q: I actually do have a couple of questions that people whispered me directly. Is Echo related to Athena, or are they completely unrelated?
A (Jeff Kaplan): Theyâre completely unrelated, but I donât blame people for calling her Athena. Let me explain how the confusion happened. So, Arnold Tsang, way back when we started the Overwatch project, he drew (youâve probably seen it) this amazing character lineup which has evolved over time: some heroes have changed, some heroes just arenât there anymore. One of the original heroes he drew when he made that picture was Echo and we always said âsheâs amazing, sheâs going to be a hero, canât wait to get to herâ.
Originally, we had a different internal name for her, but something that artists do a lot of the time when theyâre drawing characters is trying to decide how to use space, and Arnold felt like she needed an insignia on her - like, that the character had too much white so he had to put a logo on her. So he literally just took the Athena logo, at one point she even had the Vishkar logo, and it was just one of these things like âI need to fill spaceâ.
So he put it on there and we never even thought about it, so it was funny when people went back and mapped onto the logo and started saying âthatâs Athena!â. And we were like, wait a second, Athena is Winstonâs AI and the narrator of the game! Athenaâs not running around doing hero stuff, like, thatâs not her character. So weâre like âwell, they got that because we put the Athena logo on there, whoops!â
A (Nicole Gillett): Theyâre too smart (hahaha), so observant!
hasty surge
@peak escarp with chu's comment it does clarify things
peak escarp
yeah
runic scroll
Regarding McCreeâs arm, it kinda sounds like Ashe (therefore probably Bob as well) hasnât seen McCree since he went off to join Blackwatch
And McCree had both arms in OW days
So pretty unlikely that Bob ripped it off
peak escarp
Chu said it wasn't Bob
peak escarp
still
runic scroll
Also, i only found out today that there was a bonus clip to Reunion
peak escarp
I hope that "story for another time" does get told eventually
runic scroll
And McCree took Asheâs bike lol
rain moss
i mean the bonus clip for reunion only really got to the general public today
peak escarp
my mind is being blown that the Lucio album given out for free is the same one mentioned in the one piece of Lucio lore from 3 years ago
talk about a slow burn
limber hawk
Anybody know of the thought process behind turning a bellerina in to an expert marksman?
feral lintel
@peak escarp i have a hunch they released the album because they felt short on content for blizzcon
peak escarp
maybe
@limber hawk they already programmed her into a sleeper agent to kill her husband, I guess they just didn't want to waste all that effort?
limber hawk
Didn't Mccree lose his arm in the Archives comic?
peak escarp
no
it's implied that he still had it when he left Overwatch, since Torbjorn has an interaction where he asks McCree what happened to his arm
limber hawk
Sure but I'm sure you need some talent to become a marksman, nothing of her previous life really translates to sniping.
In game dialogue is non-canon but yeah, there's probably some truth in that.
peak escarp
in-game dialogue is non-canon but it indicates canon information
such as Torbjorn not knowing that Jesse had lost his arm
and who knows - maybe Amelie had a secret talent for sharpshooting that was only discovered after she was taken by Talon
limber hawk
Lol, right. I guess that'll have to do.
peak escarp
precision shooting requires good control over your movements - ballerinas have to have perfect movements too
limber hawk
Now you're just reaching.
peak escarp
idk, some things are better off unexplained
I wonder if any of the other heroes have secret talents
feral lintel
reyes made his own halloween costume one year, right? does that count?
feral lintel
it's unclear if he made it from scratch or simply put it together
subtle moss
Putting something together from disparate parts is still a talent.
rain moss
professional/high level ballet the likes of which amelie performed requires concise, controlled movements, precision, patience, diligence, dedication & persistence
all very good qualities in a sniper
rain moss
i'd imagine part of the reason amelie was picked to become widowmaker was because of her close ties to overwatch and her knowledge of the organisation: she would have assisted gerard. also psychological warfare: when it was revealed widow was amelie, it would have shown members of overwatch several things; the first being that your loved ones aren't safe, the second being that talon was powerful enough to utterly wipe someone and turn her into a cold blooded killer
rain moss
the white omnic is called echo, her and mccree appear to have met before and she seems to be an ex-member of overwatch. she also didn't appear to have seen mccree after his arm was amputated, which implies she's been deactivated like that for a while or hasn't been in contact with overwatch
brisk bay
^^
rain moss
that's all we know
iron plume
thatâs the entire reason she was originally picked
brisk bay
@deep eagle
deep eagle
Thanks
iron plume
her primary mission was killing gerard
deep eagle
Seems like another story arc that we're left in the dark about
rain moss
not forever
jeff said they've got very big things planned for echo
and that they're gonna build up her story
deep eagle
At the rate they're revealing lore the game would have to survive for 10 years
Probably even more
valid shell
@rain moss We don't know if Widowmaker had any ties to Overwatch save for Gerard. She was a civilian.
deep eagle
Is there some sort of overwatch lore wiki?
rain moss
ehhh ana seemed to recognise her
valid shell
Try searching "overwatch lore wiki".
deep eagle
ty
rain moss
i'd say she definitely had a bit to do with overwatch even though it wouldn't necessarily have been huge
iron plume
that doesnât mean she had ties
she knew what amelie looked like
what she had to do with overwatch was being gerardâs wife
she likely met the others but not in a professional capacity
rain moss
which... is a tie to overwatch
it's just semantics anyways
there were several reasons amelie would have been picked
and in regards to echo -- she's slated to be a hero soon, so i wouldn't count her lore development out so quickly
charred silo
i need 4 peoples beacuse i want do achievment with 6 hits with 1 meteor strike i have one friend who will play zarya me doomfist and i neef 4 peoples who will just doing nothink
valid shell
Being married to a programmer doesn't mean you can program.
There's nothing to suggest that Amelie was involved with OW at all.
Hell, Winston and Lena don't seem to recognize her.
subtle moss
Lol Chu
I feel like the VAs and such have been told to treat them that way to get the right atmosphere between them but he's just apeasing the shippers by keeping things open.
feral lintel
i think he means that they indeed had feelings for each other, but they never acted on it?
dire timber
@valid shell Chu killing ships before they even undock, I see
regal coyote
i wont say that
he said they were not exlovers
but the ending (see special links) shows she still has feels for mccree
and she is also playful af, from her speeches and her yelling at mccree as he zooms by.
Also, maybe cause mercer is a geeka dn weeb I kinda see Cobra from old anime in mccree a bit.
I mean smoking big cigs, robot arm, cowboy personality... and now and old robot sidechick/sidekick
fiery tundra
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regal coyote
for those who woner it is this classic
Sure his gun is grafted onto his cybernetic.
and obvious a space opera
but the smokes, a bit of the charmer personality, a robot sidekick, the bike.
olive karma
Serious thing; id like to see more info on b.o.b
worthy rose
what does B.O.B even stand for?
feral lintel
it can stand for big omnic butler or big omnic bodyguard, i think. both are correct
worthy rose
big seems to basic
i wonder if bob will be her ultimate
it will
her ablilities have been revealed
regal coyote
her page on playwatch is up
crimson ridge
Thoughts on mcree being replaced by Ashe on meta?
runic scroll
Do we know if athena was active on OW or if winston made her post-fall or something
Or even if she existed pre-fall, she wasnât really an OW asset but more privately used by winston
limpid agate
@crimson ridge #overwatch
@runic scroll No, we don't know what she did before Recall, but she does have access to OW records
brisk harbor
Who is Echo and why was she in the cart
peak escarp
we don't know
we just know that she isn't Athena/made by Vishkar, and she has been in that pod all along (the dev team confirmed she was there when they designed the map)
limpid agate
THe thing McCree used to activate her was there since launch
I remember discussing if that was a future Bluetooth headset years ago
Looked like an earpiece
last inlet
so there's one thing we can probably say was actually planned from the start
peak escarp
it was there since launch? where was it?
limpid agate
On the table in the dienr
feral lintel
i wonder if they removed it now
iron plume
I could go check
limpid agate
You can compare live/ptr now if you want
iron plume
what table should it be on? the one cree was sitting at?
feral lintel
i don't see echo's chip on any of the tables in live
iron plume
was the comic there before
peak escarp
the table McCree was at has guns/blueprints on it
iron plume
there's a table with guns and a table with blueprints
peak escarp
the comic was always on the table a little farther into the diner - my pre-match ritual is to sit at that table
iron plume
mccree was on the one with the guns, the blueprint one is not at a window
peak escarp
iron plume
I don't see it on live either
limpid agate
It used to be there, I know Ive seen it and talked about it
My expectation for Echo is
If she was not recalled
She knew McCree in his post-Overwatch years
runic scroll
i'm assuming she's familiar with OW
since McCree asks her to say hi to Winston
although it's entirely possible that he's just trying to confuse Echo as a joke
but at least from the short, it seems like Echo doesn't need instructions as to where to go/how to get there, so I feel like she knows OW and Winston is inclined to trust her
peak escarp
the blueprints in the diner labeled the crate as "experimental prototype"
runic scroll
it could be that she's completely unfamiliar with Winston, or she might simply be unfamiliar with Winston being referred to as Monkey
peak escarp
maybe she was a prototype built by Overwatch?
runic scroll
you know, the typical robot/AI thing where they don't get human jokes, etc
limpid agate
I think we will learn more in April
runic scroll
"monkey? scientist? oh, you must mean the gorilla referred to as Winston"
I feel like that's a pretty common sci-fi trope
limpid agate
We have 4 lore dumps to get through before 31
peak escarp
maybe she knows Winston doesn't like being called a monkey
limpid agate
Jan Map
Hero 30
Archives
Possibly 2nd map of 2019
feral lintel
that's assuming they'll make something for archives
limpid agate
There is no reason not to
feral lintel
they could still be in their "quality of life stuff only" phase
peak escarp
they'd be stupid not to
runic scroll
is next map hybrid's turn?
limpid agate
Summer Games/Halloween/Christmas are events about holidays
limpid agate
2cp
CNY also may bring a new CTF map
They are still making new map updates
But none were geometrically new maps
SO a new CTF map is possible but not a lock
runic scroll
was Ayuttaya last year or the year before?
peak escarp
last year
runic scroll
i feel like "new" Lucioball map is much easier to make than a new CTF map
runic scroll
and idk if Blizz has as much reason to invest into original CTF maps as much as regular maps
maybe new CTF map every other year?
who knows, maybe they'll do it every year
feral lintel
they could also take an existing map and make it suitable for CTF
like how they recently made a blizzard world deathmatch map
limpid agate
Or reuse assets like Castillo/Necropolis/Blackforest
runic scroll
doing that just takes selecting a segment off existing map and applying appropriate scripts without designing geometry and textures etc though
i was referring more to a completely new CTF map like Ayuttaya was
runic scroll
yeah reusing assets sounds reasonable
limpid agate
A new watching using assets from Gibraltar/Tutorial/Practice Range
Maybe an oceanic Ecopoint to use those assets too
runic scroll
concept-wise, a Horizon based CTF map with some low gravity areas could be interesting
but they'd make you such an easy target
I wonder if we'll see a Finnish hero or something
limpid agate
Sven?
runic scroll
is he Finnish?
I feel like countries where e-sports are big would appreciate having a hero of their own lol
regal coyote
@limpid agate what is your guess on the time where echo goes to her sleep
We know she must be put to sleep before mccree lsot his arm.
do we know if mccree lsot his arm before or after him leaving ow?
@runic scroll well there is also greater representation.
places liek thailand would be a good place to start, where there is a huge gaming community
obviously smaller places shoudl have lower piority, we aint getting any hero from sealand anytime soon, for example
limpid agate
After
McCree leaves OW
McCree does stuff with Echo
Echo gets put to sleep
McCree loses arm
Is my estimation
runic scroll
Principality of Sealand Control map
regal coyote
so echo is mccree's partner for a tim
wait... is echo the reason he is out of blackwatch/overwatch?
I would so want a Cobra style animation with mccree-echo
and yes a friendship of echo-bastion would be cool
would love to see echo fucks up and get deactivated outdoor under the rain and bastion holding up an umbrella
runic scroll
bastion and echo is practically wall-e
dire timber
@limpid agate how do you know that?
ah
estimation
sorry, didn't read all the way though
the biggest takeaways are
- Echo knew McCree
- Echo knew of Overwatch
- Echo didn't know Winston
limpid agate
It could also be
Echo is from before Winstons time
But part of Overwatch
-McCree Joins
-Echo is created
-Echo is shutdown
-Winston lands on Earth
I think that is better, actually
dire timber
Echo would be the only know omnic/sapient robot working with Overwatch, wouldn't she?
limpid agate
Wildebeast
dire timber
not sure if that's an omnic
limpid agate
Hes form Numbani
dire timber
uhn, I mean
I know he shows up in Recall, and in artbooks
but the way you talk of him, it's as if we learned something more of him
did we?
limpid agate
We havent
We learned in an interview he was a Rein concept that was an omnic from Numbani
dire timber
actually an omnic, huh?
dire timber
ah
so it could still be an armored human?
I do think it'd be cooler if it were an omnic, but then... hmmn.
I mean
we have seen some omnics in Recall
and yet, we still have yet to see any omnic Overwatch agents outside of that short
limpid agate
Yup.
The only other one was First STrike, and that was a mystery that will never be answered
runic scroll
so something that I realized
McCree knew that somehow he'd be able to access that crate if he was at that dinerj
probably knew that Deadlock would derail it
which means he knew which train it was gonna be on, which routes it takes, etc
dire timber
it's implied he's the one that tipped the Deadlock Gang
runic scroll
why did he actually let it get derailed
rustic ivy
To get echo
runic scroll
and cause all that damage and maybe possibly cost lives
i feel like McCree would be capable enough to sneak into that train somehow
get Echo, get out without any casualties
without causing all that damage
rustic ivy
He might be capable but do you think it would go perfectly?
IIRC that was a military train or something
runic scroll
I feel like it's against his character to choose that much collateral damage over possible difficulties though
feral lintel
well, i didn't see any dead bodies fall out of the train when it crashed, so i just assumed it was a cargo train
runic scroll
yeah, my guess is that it's an unmanned train or something
how do we know it's a military train though?
i think the weapons could easily be smugglers' stuff
runic scroll
yeah idk either
maybe it is, who knows
i don't think the fact that it had weapons in it would make it military though
limpid agate
and cause all that damage and maybe possibly cost lives
Did you see anyone in the diner?
If McCree tipped them off
He also probably set everything else up so there would be no one to get hurt
Route 66 is mostly abandoned anyways.
timid eagle
Yeah, who exactly runs that diner, anyway?
runic scroll
i'm referring to the train more than diner
the diner was more or less untouched
such snark lmao
limpid agate
Its a freight train
Not a passenger train
Most freight trains are just 2 passengers
The driver and the conductor
runic scroll
it's entirely possible the train was unmanned, but it's also possible that there could be people on it
limpid agate
2 tops
runic scroll
still 2 people
i think mccree would be pretty nonchalant about destruction of property
but not as much so about people
however many it is
limpid agate
Theres also the chance that the two were not in the explosion
And it was the rest of the train that blew
Do you see the locomotive?
Genuine question, I cant remember
runic scroll
i actually don't either
if deadlock has a very specific protocol about train derailments
and mccree knows that the deadlock way wouldn't harm people
then i feel like it might be explained
but if there's no guarantee that people won't be harmed, i feel like it'd still be kind of out of character for him to create that kind of risk for unrelated people
even if there was no actual casualty in the end
i wonder if there will be any OW whose ultimate goal is definitely in line with OW, but doesn't care about innocent casualties
wide gale
runic scroll
kinda like "bigger goals always require some sacrifices" type ideal, maybe
old OW had blackwatch for that kind of deal
iron plume
that seems like a talon line of thinking
runic scroll
perhaps the new one doesn't really align with it
iron plume
Blackwatch didn't care about laws
not the same thing as civilian casualties
runic scroll
i feel like talon works like that but their goal probably isn't something that's ultimately for the benefit of the society
frosty shell
I assume that it was legal for OW to be recalled, but UN approval would be required
Winston just bypassed the UN
runic scroll
I wonder if OW specifically is outlawed, or if any kind of international organization similar to OW is outlawed in general
I'm assuming the latter
but if it's the former, it'd be hilarious if OW just regrouped and went like
uhhhhh
we're Underwatch?
frosty shell
I assume that vigilante-ing is illegal
peak escarp
Helix is pretty similar to Overwatch
they're an international security firm, and they are the ones guarding most of Overwatch's old stuff
valid shell
Helix is pretty much Overwatch Lite.
rustic ivy
Dietwatch
valid shell
@rustic ivy ?
regal coyote
i think in the "old west" section though, things are still run by bounties, just like the outback
brazen flare
whats helix
also im no top sniper, but unlike widow i can get some use out of hanzo idk why
i just cnat use widow
atall
and macree
hanzos fine tho
peak escarp
Helix Security International is the company Pharah works for
brazen flare
oh lol
I enjoy using so many heros
but im gonna stay as na moira main
moira and hammond
limpid agate
@brazen flare Serious discussion strictly related to Lore
regal coyote
@limpid agate i dont think it is hit hard, or even hit at all by the omnics as far as route 66 goes
i mean, abandoned areas are generally super low piority targets
gratned we dont knwo reason for omnic war, but I a 100% it is misinformation that one day omnium "suddenly" wakes up and attack for no reason
Also as far as the omnium goes there is a reason and objective for the war, whatever it is. guess we will know in future.
limpid agate
Ill rewatch Whats Next
I think thats where they talked about it
Okay they didnt talk about it
Just said it was lawless
velvet void
So my friends and I are arguing about this and we need another opinion. Were McCree and Ashe in a relationship at some point? Has this been confirmed anywhere or is this just them speculating?
peak escarp
not currently and not in the past
velvet void
Thanks, now I can rub it in that I was right.
limpid agate
Also, for those who doubt
Archives is confirmed to be getting new content this year
dense estuary
Business relationship yes, Bedroom kind never.
well if a gang can be called a business relationship
lavish mural
Who's accepted the recall invitation by Winston?
dense estuary
I mean its kind of a business I guess, They just do not pay for the merch
limpid agate
@lavish mural Tracer, Reinhardt, Mei, and McCree (kinda)
After that, we also had Brig and Echo
lavish mural
True
limpid agate
And not confirmed but teased are: Genji, Torb, and Bastion
dense estuary
McCree told Echo to "Say hi to the monkey"
limpid agate
Yes.
dense estuary
So unknown but its clear hes aware Winston wants to get the band back together. In fact I believe he even kinda used that line
limpid agate
He is not going straight there, but he is gonna rejoin soonish
He implied he will get there eventually
But he has something he has to do first
dense estuary
Id have to rewatch reunion, I just landed today coming back from Blizzcon so there was so much to process.
lavish mural
I feel like Pharah would want to join
dense estuary
Pharah did want to grow up into it as a kid right?
limpid agate
"They want me, but really, they need you"
"Jesse, wait, what are you going to do?"
"I've got some business to attend to. Say hi to the monkey for me."
lavish mural
I'm sure some neutral characters might align with Overwatch for the cause such as D.VA, Lucio, and maybe Zarya
limpid agate
Zarya has no reason to
She is loyal to Russia
And Russia declined Overwatch's help the first time
lavish mural
I have no idea where the lore will go with Zenyatta and Symmetra
dense estuary
D.va probably wont join until OmnicZilla is gone and Korea is "safe"
Symmetra is a bit of a wildcard, Her motives are unknown but its clear she sees maybe Vishkar is not everything in the sales pitch
lavish mural
A Lucio/Symmetra cinematic is what I really want to see
dense estuary
her comic shows some cracks in fully believing in the company
lavish mural
Add in a nice Rio/Vishkar map lol
dense estuary
but they are thin cracks we have to remember she was recruited form the slums and essentially raised by Vishkar.
lavish mural
Sanjay tho
Sombra is aware that Sanjay works for Talon, I wonder if she'll tell Symmetra
dense estuary
Only if there is a reason to honestly, I suspect not even Talon knows how much Sombra has learned through hacks
lavish mural
In a world ruled by technology, Sombra is a god lmao
dense estuary
Even Sombra is a bit of a wildcard, Shes only working with Talon because they fund her gear for more hacks to get to the root of things.
Sanjay honestly I think uses Talon to further Vishkar even if the management tiers above him do not know it.
take the building bombing in Brazil in the comic for example, pretty simple for him to use Talon assets to do that, sow Chaos and then come along with the company and offer to build a city of light and order... for a price.
Vishkar also has ties with that power company the ones with the big step pyramid fusion plants... uhm Lumerico I think it is.
rose arch
Sombra knows a lot of stuff about a lot of people I think that one of the new overwatch heroes will try and stop sombra or at least try and know HER information personally I think itâs gonna be ash she doesnât look like your run of the mill cowgirl or badass she always looks like she knows a bit more
rose arch
What do you mean with that
lavish mural
Doesn't Zarya know Sombra's real name?
rose arch
Idk I hope itâs in a voice interaction
neat pivot
What else does this appear on?
I swear I've seen it in-game before
on another gun
limpid agate
Blackwatch McCree
neat pivot
Only on his gun model?
neat pivot
The green padlock button
It's a futurist safety switch, I guess
I SWEAR i have seen it before
limpid agate
Nothing, but similar circles are on other stuff like Genji
neat pivot
No, I've totally seen the padlock button before
In fact they even focused on it, in the short
I swear on my grandmothers grave, it's already in the game somewhere else
I've seen it before
dense estuary
probably on another gun
dense estuary
probably not McCree as I dunno if six guns even have safeties
limpid agate
Go in game and check, I guess
Soldier 76, Sombra, Reaper, Widowmaker
@rose arch @lavish mural Yes. Olivia Colomar. Zarya knows this.
rose arch
O wow but How tho ?
neat pivot
I checked a bunch of guns in the Hero Gallery and couldn't see it on any. I think it might be an in-game object perhaps. I swear to god, it's not the first time we've seen it
rose arch
@neat pivot many itâs on ashes viper
neat pivot
No, before this
rose arch
Hmmmm on Zarya s gun that thing does look like it could use a safety switch
Iâm gonna go and check all the overwatch maps and see if itâs there no joke Iâll get back to you if Iâve seen it
dense estuary
Blizzard needs to make ref kits for all the new people
neat pivot
@rose arch Good luck, I don't know where the best place to look would be - maybe start with Dorado? But I am not joking, I swear to Christ I've seen it somewhere in-game before
rose arch
Good
And yes I will look st every map many Volskia industries would be a good place to start
At
Maybe
runic scroll
@neat pivot I think MEKAâs blasters have those things
Although idk if theyâre there for the same function
Dvaâs mech would be the last weapon to have a safety lock directly on the weapon
neat pivot
Just checked both, couldn't see it on either
I swear, this thing exists elsewhere
Seen it and thought about it many times before
limpid agate
You might be thinking of Tracer or Mercy
Who have those on their guns without the lock symbol
neat pivot
It's not them, I just checked and they only have like a little circle thing
I mean I've seen this EXACT thing before
valid shell
You know, B.O.B.'s eyes are weird.
He's got the bigger bottom emoting eyes.
But then he's also got his upper 'eyes', and in Reunion, before he opens fire, he adjusts his hat to cover one, almost like he's aiming through the other.
regal coyote
if you think about it, where did that oil slick come from when he "sweats"
i know it is comic effectt but still
there is no place to sweat oil from top of his head
also from the "roadtrip" short er can clearly see his eye show emotion like orisa
limpid agate
Reunion
valid shell
Nah, they mean the followup short.
regal coyote
i think roadtrip is the right name
for the extra after reunion
^
think this is called roadtrip by people on the stage
valid shell
But yeah, B.O.B.'s a weird Omnic. Maybe because him and Orisa are so uniquely customized.
They both have emoting eyes.
And in Orisa's instance, no sensors.
Gonna make Zenyatta look archaic if he ever gets a short.
regal coyote
he calls this part "roadtrip" ... you can hear this fromt he bit of dev talk before the clip rolls
valid shell
Be neat if the three human Deadlock goons are actually triplets, as they're colloquially called, and not just reused assets.
Since twins and triplet outlaws are a prevalent trope in westerns.
valid shell
They could just be unrelated vaguely caucasian male humans with the same base model and different tattoos/accessories to differentiate them.
I'm saying I'd like them to be triplets.
peak escarp
why would they call them triplets if they weren't triplets?
valid shell
@peak escarp Oh, have they actually been called triplets officially?
I just thought that's what the fanbase has labelled them.
Like "Pompadour Shimada".
peak escarp
there's a timestamp of when he says it
it's also the first time we learn that the robot is called Echo
limpid agate
They also have Starcraft tattoos
Terran/Zerg/Protoss in that order.
The logos are on their Right Shoulders. Zerg in the middle also has a tattoo of Kerrigan on his other shoulder.
regal coyote
yes papa jeff call them triplets
valid shell
Playable triplets would be great.
I've always wanted a Lost Vikings-esque unit hero.
Or the Trooper, Enforcer, Assassin, and Sniper from Retribution, with Heavy as the ult.
limpid agate
I think they made them triplets just so they could use the same character model 3 times
valid shell
Well, of course.
limpid agate
I still want playable Null Sector, where you summon the rest with your abilities
valid shell
Detonator.
regal coyote
wowould be nice if it is a null sector trooper and slicer that got picked up and fixed by some human instead
now he is unsure what to do and just wander around with his dog and a new paint job
the korean glitch/hack back then allows for use with detonator as play character
regal coyote
was around retribution where the hack exist
people play as the heavy assaut trooper and absolutely clean house
peak escarp
because it was bothering me, I looked up old videos of Route 66 from when it was added to the game
to make absolutely sure "est. 1976" was never in the game
video from March 25, 2016
limpid agate
Its just the tattoo
peak escarp
yep
which is easily explained - the artist wanted to give McCree the Deadlock logo as a tattoo and just used a concept version instead of the final design
last inlet
oh were you guys talking about the 1976 thing
I saw a post on tumblr about how that'd be possible if they were a gang that was part of the Rebels or something, referencing old biker gangs or something.
i'm bad at describing it
peak escarp
if they wanted to give an in-universe reason for it, they could just say McCree found an old gang logo he liked and used it
and when they painted it all over their base, they dropped the date because it didn't apply to them
but there's no real reason to explain it
it should just get corrected to clear up the confusion
last inlet
oh, so the possible reference is that old west outlaw gangs would usually be made of smaller gangs that use the same name, usually taken from their hideout.
they'd have little to do with each other except sharing the same hideout sometimes
and Ashe's role in bringing gangs together, kinda, in order to stand up against the law by not screwing each other over might have been a nod to that
I only found out about the year because of a post complaining about it too, lol
and then the subsequent reblog that explains what it might be
So if the OW team did some work looking into that kind of thing, then maybe they intend for the Deadlock Gang to be part of the Deadlock Rebels which has been around since...100 years prior
ish
I ain't an expert, I'm just regurgitating what I've read
peak escarp
you know, knowing that Jesse was one of the founder s makes Reyes offering to recruit him into Overwatch make a whole lot more sense
before I thought he took pity on the kid for being caught up in gang life
neat pivot
Yo thankful, any idea about where that padlock/safety switch on the gun is shown elsewhere in the game
peak escarp
now I think Reyes was probably impressed by him, and thought that his cunning and tenacity that would be a great asset for Overwatch
peak escarp
nope
neat pivot
right
peak escarp
Twitter
neat pivot
ahh cool
last inlet
he founded Deadlock Gang with the rest at around 17?
neat pivot
i was just wondering if him and ashe would have an interaction
last inlet
McCree I mean
"why is this shortstack wearing our logo"
wait does the skin even have the logo
peak escarp
which skin?
neat pivot
literally Deadlock
last inlet
Torb's Deadlock
neat pivot
And I mean that in the most literal use of the word literal
peak escarp
Torb's Deadlock does not have the Deadlock Gang logo on it
neat pivot
it does
peak escarp
I just looked
neat pivot
well fuck
peak escarp
I bet everyone gets along with BOB
limpid agate
And it was confirmed that Bob did not rip his arm off
If someone still thought that
peak escarp
Ashe had to specify "your other arm" because threatening to rip off someone's prosthetic arm isn't much of a threat
limpid agate
Also, scrolling through Chu tweets
Character on the right is confirmed to be
Someone we never met
peak escarp
Twitter
last inlet
oh that's from the Christmas comic
so...we can't really tell the gender from that thing
peak escarp
it's also confirmed to not be McCree
last inlet
lousy pic
peak escarp
but it is confirmed that it's Jack on the left
limpid agate
^
peak escarp
which is something - some people have tried to convince me that's his father or something
I've spent a little too much time reading through Chu's tweets
feral lintel
i think the person in the photo is most likely just some random overwatch agent
limpid agate
I highly doubt that
feral lintel
then who do you think it is?
paper gazelle
Or his wife? (I'm serious)
feral lintel
okay
my theory is that it's just a random overwatch agent đ¤ˇ
and they're not related at all
paper gazelle
Assuming Jack is very very close to that agent
feral lintel
taking a selfie with someone =/= being very very close
runic scroll
I thought that was the person speculated to be Liao
Before his existence just got silently erased lol
valid shell
@rose arch Yes.
rose arch
Good any new theoryâs
smoky delta
I find it hilarious mcree was the influence for ashes criminal life style because you'd expect it to be someone older or something but no, some kid younger than you helped influence your criminal life
I imagine they have a big sis little brother style relationship
flint briar
Or at least had.
smoky delta
Yeah
Him joining over watch to save his skin probably made it feel like betrayal to her
I feel like he may still view her as some sort of family but a very distanced one
valid shell
I wonder if the other two Deadlock founders are behind bars.
And Ashe's folks bailed her out.
smoky delta
Ashe has the money
If Mcree, her and the other 2 were caught it would make even more sense why she hates Mcree
He didn't get locked up
valid shell
Still keeps a pic of him on her hog, tho.
smoky delta
Yeah, probably still thinks of him as her little brother but has the whole "you saved your skin instead of going to prison with the rest of us"
In other words he prioritized himself over the gang
iron plume
if he's in prison he's not in the gang either
and she doesn't hate him
it's more likely that her parents got her out and he had nothing
smoky delta
She has some ill will towards him
iron plume
she's mad at him for siding with the law
which was one of the rules
but I doubt she served any significant time
smoky delta
It's still a family like betrayal, she probably doesn't out right hate him but holds some hatred for him picking the easy way out and saving his own skin rather than honoring her rules
Sibling rivalry style
Says she hates him but actually just wants to kick his ass for like 20 minutes
I feel like if it wasn't someone who was close to her she would kill them on the spot too
iron plume
if it wasn't someone close to her they wouldn't be in the position to "betray" her in the first place
smoky delta
Yeah but if your apart of the gang, lackey or higher up she expects you to follow her rules and i would imagine she isn't very forgiving
Of course she has the business sense and past so I'm betting she doesn't allow new members close enough to do much damage
Liabilities and all that
iron plume
at the time she wasn't really in a position to enforce it
I still don't think she straight up hates him because of it
valid shell
@worthy rose Leave.
worthy rose
@valid shell leave
terse oak
smoky delta
I think it's more sibling rivalry or just general betrayal, like she's holding s grudge. I have a feeling he may have been closer to her than the other gang leaders/founders due to probably a longer history together that built up that sibling bond
iron plume
she's definitely holding a grudge
terse oak
Hence the shootout
iron plume
I just doubt it's straight up hatred
terse oak
yeah there will probably be a level of respect
iron plume
The shootout was more like "I want this thing and you also want this thing"
smoky delta
Yeah, I feel like it's the equivalent to a giant fit
iron plume
so how are we going to settle this
smoky delta
His picture is plastered around so I have a feeling he isn't welcome but isn't out right exiled
valid shell
In Roadtrip she says she should have shot him the second he showed up, but obv she didn't.
iron plume
He's likely disliked around the place
smoky delta
Like a "look out for him the entire time he is here so if he fucks up we know"
valid shell
So she doesn't want him dead.
iron plume
more so by the lower gang than by Ashe, I imagine
smoky delta
Yeah she's like a bratty sister
Towards him at least
Let them deck it out and she'll be fine
iron plume
it makes sense with the story of Deadlock being taken down too
if Ashe was bailed out by her parents, she'd be pissed at mccree for going with the law yes
but if the lower gang actually had to serve time, they'd be much more mad at him
smoky delta
Yeah, she probably won't let them shoot him, just scare him off if he causes issues
Of course they probably want to kill him more
Also that makes me question if the other 2 leaders are still in prison
valid shell
Why does McCree have so many murder siblings.
smoky delta
Because he is a future cowboy
That or he is just a fucki mg smart ass who thinks wearing a cowboy hat is cool
He is basically the guy who didn't grow up until his mid to late twenties
smoky delta
Given it's the future I would imagine maybe not
feral lintel
mccree is such a fake cowboy
smoky delta
The entire deadlock gang is like trying to revive the cowboy movement
Although since ashe is rich she may have seen a horse
Or had one
peak escarp
maybe that's why he liked her đ
smoky delta
I have a feeling she was leaving school and bumped into his ass or something just so mundane
Or she went out trying to be a rebel and he helped her
Yes I believe mcree was the random child who just kind was always outside
Street child
She influenced and supported his bad behavior so he did the same
worthy rose
So whats the character ratio like now?
peak escarp
14 female, 14 male, 1 agender robot
olive karma
Well Ashe is fairly simplistic, in lore. But its overwatch, its not super complicated
peak escarp
I want to know more about Ashe
particularly her history with McCree
and what happened to the gang after the bust and McCree turned on them
smoky delta
As far as I know it's been stated they didn't have a romantic relationship and were basically siblings or at least their relationship was a sibling one
And that he is what influenced her to start her life of crime
peak escarp
yeah, I want to learn more about how they met and started the Deadlock gang
smoky delta
Also bob means big omnic butler
runic scroll
I wonder if that means there are sob and mob
regal coyote
ther sibling part is just us adding it
chu just said there was no romantic relationship
and there energy is there
timid nova
B.O.B. means Battery Operated Boyfriend.
iron plume
nice meme
timid nova
Also, if you haven't taken time to pause the video and admire the amount of detail that went into their up close shots, you ahould. It's pretty incredible. They took the time to animate even the stray fibers of McCree's poncho and under armor.
And some of the subtleties are pretty amazing, like when Echo wakes and opens her eyes, you can see she is happy to see him even with no sound by the way the digital skin under her eyes lifts.
timid nova
Part of the reason he unironically looks like a cowboy from an old western is probably because that far in the future, those old movies might be all they have to go by.
So when he was an out law in the west, a lot of that garb makes sense.
Poncho for face and head cover in a dust storm
Hat for general shade on head and neck
Boots for ruggedness (Spurs are probably a vestigial leftover in design, cool points)
The body armor is definitely for protection and might be connected to his arm which the poncho always covers
Actually NM, the source model shows the robotic arm only goes to the elbow.
So armor is just protection.
The belt keeps his pants up, the BAMF is because he is a BAMF.
Now if you have him in say... Numbani.. yeah. He looks kooky
But all of those clothes have an actual purpose besides harkening back to The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
peak escarp
he suits his environment
timid nova
Definitely.
The other skins bring him in line with other environments well too.
The Lone Gunman has more style options than say a Cyborg Ninja.
timid nova
So no Rein, Mercy, Torb, Tracer.. or Reaper, McCree, Moira, Genji
Junk and Hog dont have a huge past and have their own mode
peak escarp
they haven't used Soldier and Ana yet
timid nova
I was gonna say, Ana, Soldier, Winston and new character that ties them together.
Emre?
Pharah was too young to participate
peak escarp
I don't think Emre will be a hero
timid nova
But a fight Versus the God Program would make sense
timid nova
But how would Liao tie to a past event?
And whatever they are now, they would fundamentally have to be back then too
peak escarp
Liao was a founder of Overwatch
timid nova
I haven't heard much about him, just tidbits
feral lintel
there's nothing that says they can't reuse heroes for archives
peak escarp
I think it's possible they might reuse heroes
pure kernel
Should be a gurl, because Ana is the only female so far
feral lintel
i have my own idea for an archives mission, but it's a little silly
peak escarp
there's only so many sets of 4 heroes that have a connection
peak escarp
I'd like to see a strike team mission with Soldier, Torb, Rein and Ana/Reyes/Liao (whichever one works)
timid nova
I'd be fine with a mode where 3 people team up for a mission.
peak escarp
all PvE modes have been balanced for 4 people
that seems to be what they're going with
timid nova
The things worth exploring is either;
- More OW missions
- Omnic Crisis
- Korean Omnic Crisis
We still don't know how Bastion ended up deactivated in the forest.
The entire Omnic Crisis is an ocean of platform to build on.
peak escarp
seems like it was a malfunction when its pod landed
feral lintel
there's also the whole internal civil war thing that happened on the day the HQ blew up
maybe they can do something with that
peak escarp
maybe
frosty shell
I wonder if in the future there'll be a lot of behind-the-scenes retcons so they can add in new characters and make them "always there"
Like giving a backstory two the 2 mystery individuals from Ana's photograph
timid nova
Omnic Crisis in Korea would be easy, 4 MEK4 Pilots in older suits
But we also have Volskaya, the Russians have those giant mechs
And Katya said it's the first ones in over a decade.
limpid agate
Saw someone on the forums suggest this as a skin for Ashe. Would make a cool Archives skin.
Rich girl Ashe with Butler Bob.
Also, we have all the lore we are gonna get for the rest of her gang.
Names for the characters and thats probably it.
regal coyote
triplet and sniper probably is just that, in the background
anything else would be bob and girl
limpid agate
Yeah.
But they at least have names now
Triplets all named after Starcraft
And the sniper is named Bars.
runic scroll
Rich girl Ashe sounds like a fun idea
Just with a rifle instead of a slingshot i guess lol
regal coyote
well weapons would be hard, probably slingshot is just coach gun
regal coyote
also schoolgirl is too hots for us though
current theme for hots is schoolgirl ans stuff
runic scroll
I think schoolgirl out of nowhere is out of place
runic scroll
But Ashe wouldnât be so out of place imo
regal coyote
at least call him Terray
limpid agate
Terrance
regal coyote
^
regal coyote
no, triplets would be too hot for series
runic scroll
I wonder if bobâs appearance would change with ashe skins
Would be cool to see bob in a suit with a rich Ashe skin
I think there will be some form of ârich Asheâ
Young or not
Lady Luck?
feral lintel
bob does change with ashe's skins
timid nova
Bliz confirmed bob will change skins too when you use different ones on Ashe
white cobalt
regal coyote
it can work as a character
like one of the ability is you switching between the triplets on the fly. in reality just changing weapons and traits.
you can swap the three hitpoint bars around. like maybe 100hp each. and they heal when tagged out. kinda like fighting games
regal coyote
one thing though, shouldnt mccree be calling her liz instead?
valid shell
@regal coyote I'm a fan of unit characters.
regal coyote
you mean like the vikings in hots? that would be hard to do
valid shell
And her calling him McCree isn't accidental, since Echo calls him Jesse in the same short.
They might be using last names to seem professional in front of her cronies.
feral lintel
it's probably just what they've always called each other
golden lava
limpid agate
Everything
Yes
@valid shell I think the whole gang does that
Ashe is her last name
McCree is his
They called eachother by surname, and Zeke called Ashe by hers
subtle moss
Ashe is a weird last name
frosty shell
It's not that weird there's 333 people named Ashe in Texas
frosty shell
It's not that common but it's not an unheard of name
feral lintel
ashe as a first name or ashe as a last name?
timid nova
Either.
timid nova
Probably derived from Ashley
cunning ledge
i don't think Coach Gun or Dynamite are things that xist
unless i'm forgetting something
also, flashbang for McCree
timid nova
Dynamite is literally a junkrat grenade with a more parabolic arc
cunning ledge
talking lore wise here
timid nova
Ah, you are correct then.
The coach gun is similar to Lucios boop though, with the exception of using it to gain air.
timid nova
All of her abilities are up on the hero page
valid shell
@timid nova He isn't asking what it does homie.
timid nova
He is saying are they canonical
cunning ledge
i have a list of canon confirmed abilities in the pins that i'm updating
timid nova
And anything on that page is canonical
valid shell
False.
timid nova
... how is that false
cunning ledge
oh boy
valid shell
We've never seen Zenyatta canonically sprout ethereal arms and become invulnerable.
valid shell
And considering Mei almost died from it, I doubt she'd ever willingly freeze herself.
cunning ledge
rewatching Reunion
does she ever actually use the scope on viper?
she aims against it but the lil holo thing never comes up
limpid agate
Its still there though
She just didnt use it
You can see the part where it comes out from flap
cunning ledge
the projector for it is literally part of the geometry of the item
yeah
even in that clip you can see it's firing with the hammer, so it's still in lever action mode
subtle moss
More support she didn't reaaalllly wanna hit mccree, didn't even aim properly
cunning ledge
meanwhile she'd be dead if B.O.B hadn't shielded her
subtle moss
She's kinda hilarious stacked up against the other guys lorewise though.
Highly trained assassin heir to big magical criminal family.
World's best sniper.
Genetically modified lady almost on par with world's best sniper.
Some outlaw lady.
valid shell
A climatologist.
limpid agate
Its amusing how lucky everyone got.
McCree would have killed a lot of people.
How many times did one of the triplets almost get killed by McCree shooting a train at them?
Or Ashe almost getting shot if not for Bob
And the only ones who fell apart were the Omnics
subtle moss
He was trying to avoid killing anyone
Yes I know he threw a brace of grenades at her
But OW works on movie logic
Since he didn't WANT the nades to turn her into a shrapnel filled corpse, they didn't
limpid agate
Dodging a train
Then running out of the way of more debris
If that rope didnt work out perfectly
Him or his brother might have died
subtle moss
He has the accuracy to just headshot them but at the start chose to go for the gun instead, which I feel would be a more difficult target
He did shoot one of the humans in the chest though didn't he?
subtle moss
Just checked, yeah it was the omnic
So McCree was trying to avoid killing them I imagine
Maybe he's like the Hulk and calculated the trajectory of the train to probably not hit anyone? Lul
limpid agate
subtle moss
I choose to believe bob shielded Ashe from the blast which is why his durable metal body was blown to smithereens and her squishy fragile fleshbag body was not.
And Cree knew he would
pale creek
The emotion in mcree and ashe picture is a better love story than twillight
limpid agate
@pale creek Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
runic scroll
so outside of shorts and comics, do you guys think soldier is fine with killing bad guys
limpid agate
Not even outside