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#lore-discussion
sacred hamlet
voice lines
worthy rose
he is just annoyed by mccree nowadays
iron plume
he's pissy at mccree but he is never hateful
sacred hamlet
and logically reaper is gonna hate mccree for learning everything from him and then just living with them
sacred hamlet
nah he doesn't hate JAck
worthy rose
im just hoping for the double agent twist on reaper
iron plume
you do nothing but spread bullshit on this channel
sacred hamlet
I'm pretty sure that from all of them Jack means the most
iron plume
Ana means the most to him from what we know
we haven't seen him interact with Cree so he may take that place
worthy rose
so who's the new robot lady
iron plume
not a canon interaction
sacred hamlet
and i'm pretty sure reaper doesn't care about ana that much
worthy rose
in game is confirm not cannon, just a possible scenario if character meet character
sacred hamlet
Like I said, he probably still values Jack the most
iron plume
yeah, he totally doesn't care about ana http://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/8/en-us/pages/7/7-6.png http://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/8/en-us/pages/7/7-7.png http://comic.playoverwatch.com/issues/overwatch/8/en-us/pages/8/8-1.jpg
worthy rose
good old comic that they stop making
iron plume
that's why he's angry that she took Jack's side and why he doesn't kill her when he has the chance
worthy rose
because it doesnt milk money like animated short on a bilzzcon
iron plume
shorts don't exactly make money either
sacred hamlet
The Overwatch Team and the ability to develop a game and produce lore at the same time LUL
iron plume
they're both marketing
sacred hamlet
they've clearly gotten lazy
worthy rose
bigger advertisement than comic though
sacred hamlet
but what can you do
iron plume
that one's true Law
sacred hamlet
I still think he values Jack the most still
iron plume
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worthy rose
thats why im always questioning wtf is micheal chu doing
sacred hamlet
He seems to have a rivalry to settle with him
subtle moss
Basically nothing
worthy rose
he hate jack for following the rules
iron plume
He is chippy at mccree but he's not hateful
sacred hamlet
Yeah he mostly hated Jack's line of thinking
but i'm sure he had a brother thing with him
Reaper's thing with McCree is that he most likely just wants to get rid of him
worthy rose
the big question on reaper is what makes him become this form and why would he join talon. we will never know until bilzzcon 3052
fresh hare
is the omnic at the end athena?
iron plume
I'm actually getting what I say from the things that are mentioned in-universe
peak escarp
no
high parrot
No
iron plume
no
high parrot
Echo
peak escarp
she's Echo
sacred hamlet
And Reaper got angry at McCree for leaving Blackwatch when Overwatch itself was on its fall
high parrot
She uses what we thought was Athena's robot body.
sacred hamlet
When did Reaper confirm these feelings
peak escarp
when did Reaper confirm that he hated McCree?
worthy rose
same goes ashe i guess, female parther with mccree when he was in the gang, presumeably had intimate relationship. got left and have to get in charge of the gang on her own. if mccree is good at ladies, he will "solve" ashe quick and easy
iron plume
something something interactions
the cinematic seemed like he solved ashe decently well as is
feral lintel
mccree is very charming around women. ana even calls him out on it in-game
so probably
sacred hamlet
and now McCree is just doing his own thing after learning everything from Reyes
sacred hamlet
Blackwatch took McCree in after he was imprisoned
Reyes kills a guy and McCree doesn't like it
iron plume
...
sacred hamlet
He "betrays" Reyes
torpid lake
hmm
sacred hamlet
And now McCree is out there living and kicking
worthy rose
proof that reaper is double agenting~
sacred hamlet
Because Reaper saved McCree and he's a ghost now
iron plume
That's unlikely after Masquerade
iron plume
so, no basis then, gotcha
iron plume
@worthy rose Reaper being a secret good guy/double agent theory kinda went out the window with the masquerade comic where he says he killd multiple agents
sacred hamlet
He teach McCree everything he knows
McCree not like what Reyes does
Reyes gets "betrayed"
He ghost now
iron plume
Shitposting will result in loss of access
sacred hamlet
He's mad and want McCree dead
Well you're clearly not paying attention to what I'm saying so maybe you should shut it instead
iron plume
I am paying attention to what you're saying
peak escarp
he wants all Overwatch members dead
iron plume
that's why I'm calling out your bullshit
peak escarp
McCree isn't special
sacred hamlet
Also please don't assert rules when you're not a mod
sacred hamlet
Yet he himself saved McCree and has claimed to "have taught everything" he knows
So maybe he hates the fact that he created this Gunslinger that was once going to rot in jail
That's it
Or not created
iron plume
that's a "maybe" based on nothing
sacred hamlet
But let him flourish
iron plume
that you're posting as a fact
iron plume
you shouldn't be
because it's not confirmed in any way shape or form
yet you're still posting it as a fact
sacred hamlet
I'm posting a thought that may as well be true
fresh hare
Not sure this belongs here, but do you guys know Ashe's voice actress?
sacred hamlet
i'm sorry but I don't see a Lore Channel as a place to swing facts with no changes to the whatsoever
that's what you do in the wikia
you can contact the mods there if you want
floral herald
jennifer hale
iron plume
Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here
fresh hare
thanks
iron plume
I sure see something that you're going against
sacred hamlet
yeah because you consider "theorycrafting" and even thinking as fanfiction
iron plume
it's not theorycrafting
sacred hamlet
so it's hard to take that seriously
iron plume
theorycrafting is based on evidence
floral herald
We can discuss a theory, but lets not argue if its fact or not. Because it isn't fact yet.
sacred hamlet
Yet i'm giving evidence
iron plume
and "thinking" and your messages don't belong in the same sentence
sacred hamlet
I'm suggesting confidently that he hates McCree
iron plume
based on nothing but assumption
sacred hamlet
He saved him, made him grow as a Great Shot, got betrayed and now he's mad
i'm using all this evidence to conclude that he hates McCree
that's how it works
whether it's true or not
It's really up to to the devs
iron plume
He saved him, taught him, got betrayed and now he's regretful
He saved him, taught him, got betrayed and now he blames himself
He saved him, taught him, got betrayed and now he is bitter at the opportunity gone
He saved him, taught him, got betrayed and now he wants to take mccree back
see I can make shit up too
all of those are possible with the events that happened
sacred hamlet
Yes those are all possibilities
iron plume
there is 0 evidence suggesting Reaper actually hates McCree
worthy rose
anyone recognize ashe voice actress? it sound so familiar
iron plume
stop saying it as a fact
sacred hamlet
but i'm confident that Reaper just wants to get rid of McCree
white cobalt
the what is next is already?
feral lintel
@worthy rose ashe sounds like jennifer hale (the voice of commander shepard in mass effect)
iron plume
Most people here, thankfully, know enough about the lore to not fall for your shit
but you are actively misinforming those who don't
worthy rose
thats indeed sounds similar
dense estuary
Bob was her butler
soft carbon
please excuse me while I go change panties
rain egret
I just wanted to point out that credits are an actual currency in the OW universe if that wasnt already known
McCree pays with one when leaving the diner
iron plume
yeah that's a neat reference
analog gorge
Origin story will be shown in the OW panel
worthy rose
its a coin but you dont know the value of it
it could be 10 or 1000
but 1 credit is more than enough as a tip for a dead shop
the real question is where did that pie comes from
iron plume
it's not a tip, he's paying for it
iron plume
we don't know the value of it otherwise either though
worthy rose
did mccree make the pie himself
coffee is reasonable, but pie
where is that pie comes from !!!!???
modern anchor
Dood, i just the animated short. McCree is an F-ing savage brah. Also is that freaking athena stepping out the pod?
iron plume
it's not athena
it's based on a concept art that was related
but athena is a separate character
feral lintel
the new robot girl is named echo
modern anchor
Oh snap! That's raw my dood.
Also Ashe is seems like she's gonna be a hybrid of Mccree and 76. Bob and the Omnic sniper look cool as hell
iron plume
I don't see what's 76y of her
lorewise or kit
her character archetype is basically the same as junker queen
which also makes her very unlikely
feral lintel
ashe and junker queen would probably end up looking pretty similar too, which would make telling them apart in-game harder
last inlet
The last few new heroes had their origin vid up p soon
modern anchor
Yo Ashe looking ✋ 😤 👌
sharp trench
W O A H
soft carbon
The moment I saw that tumbleweed roll by, I thought back to the clock in the diner... And I knew.
last inlet
That symbol on Echo's head, have we seen it before?
visual slate
Echo knows the Monkey. Echo knows McCree
sacred hamlet
It's Athena's symbol but not really
visual slate
By extension, Moneky and creamy have ommunication lines
Did Winston know much of old overwatch. Or do we not know enough about him
modern anchor
Now i wait until the zenyatta animated short
teal kindle
frosty shell
i doubt they confirmed that
dire timber
honestly, I'm not sure how to feel about this
like
this isn't what I've expected, and I can't help but Echo and Ashe came out a little out of the blue
sacred hamlet
Yeah their existence right now make absolutely no sense
dire timber
I thought we'd be getting Hamid as a hero
the archeologist from Petra
then again
I'm glad that at least it moved the story forward a little bit?
like, whatever they've got planned for Echo
iron plume
that and McCree coming back
hot take is that he steals something from talon then when he comes back it's the big fight
feral lintel
i'm not sure if he plans on going back, but at least he's on their side
dire timber
his Recall status went from "unknown" to "not yet"
iron plume
He all but says it outright
dire timber
oh well, I guess it's some kind of use for that Athena/Iris design?
people have been thinking of it since forever, and now, it actually found some use
iron plume
that it does
rocky vapor
pretty sure there's a highlight section for you to post that, @ionic urchin
viral carbon
@ionic urchin Please keep this channel for lore discussion only. If you'd like to post Overwatch content please head over to #video-content
rocky vapor
^ Listen to the mods, they know what they're doing
also she's the robot at the end of the cinematic
rocky vapor
Nope. Other than the fact that the symbol on her head is very similar to Vishkar's logo.
iron plume
it's similar but it's not the logo
so unless we get something else about it I wouldn't make that connection
what I find interesting is that she knows winston
but doesn't know about mccree's arm
rocky vapor
^
iron plume
which gives us decent clues about when she was in OW
it's not post disband
winston came down on earth pre-disband
terse oak
I'm just getting this from McCree saying "They're getting the band back together"
I mean she does say "what happened"
But I assumed that was in reference to his arm
iron plume
yeah I think so too
soft carbon
\*scream* = *scream*
supple forge
mccree animatic with new person SCREAMS
supple forge
OMFG YES
soft carbon
he was a cool dude
white cobalt
We wanted Lucio, Mercy, Zen lore
iron plume
"this" being?
lean prawn
the cereal
iron plume
he had a jokey spray
and a voiceline reference
the cereal was revealed to be an actual in-universe thing
and now they saw it as a promotion opportunity
I know it's silly but this can be pretty damn big actually
lean prawn
i love it
iron plume
because it means people (and kids) randomly wondering at the grocer's will now find out about overwatch
so that's nice
lean prawn
fortnite doesn't have a cereal
dire timber
@iron plume I think it's related to Viskar somehow, but perhaps not directly
long ermine
Yep, dont know why the unofficial one was reccomended on the homepage. Didn't check the user
cedar galleon
So is that AI girl athena in a vishkar creates body?
frosty shell
we don't know
nova elbow
it's not athena
pure kernel
runic scroll
i was hoping pre-deadlock bob would have been a normal-sized omnic butler
then switched to the burly boi body for deadlock purposes
iron plume
that would've been pretty unrealistic
and also wouldn't make sense for mccree to know him
I like that he was burly as a bodyguard or something but then Ashe turned it up to 11
long ermine
doubt it
might be an easter egg
but im pretty sure the qr code has been there a while
iron plume
it's not remotely the same model
stop spreading this bullshit
if you put one face pic over another and then start moving opacity, you can be tricked into literally any faces looking alike
this has been shown with that mercy/brig bullshit post and it crops up with real people like once a month
valid shell
Also, cinematic faces =/= in game faces.
worthy rose
so, we have a short appearance of athena?
iron plume
Echo isn't athena
olive stirrup
Jeff leaked info that her name is echo
long ermine
You wanna calm down a bit
worthy rose
oh, so echo is an assistant another character?
olive stirrup
Ye
olive stirrup
I want to be a bob main
iron plume
if you posted it here to be funny, it's off topic
runic scroll
i wonder if bob's "sweat" was oil or coolant
think that's an actual common feature for omnics?
"sweating" when nervous
or in general
something unique for bobby boy?
iron plume
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a one-off joke and is never brought up again
runic scroll
yeah i know lol
runic scroll
maybe it leaks, who knows
coolants aren't usually sprayed on the surface to cool the machine either
i'm just happy that i now know that omnic heads can be removed without killing the omnic
and at least that's not a concern that would prevent omnics switching bodies for different purposes
of course, there might be other reasons that would prevent it
valid shell
So now we're at 11 human males, 13 human females, 2 animal males, 1 robot male, 1 robot female, 1 nonbinary robot.
So 14 males, 14 females, 1 neither.
long ermine
with 6 in development
valid shell
@runic scroll Same thing.
runic scroll
okay cool
valid shell
Kinda.
lucid vessel
Nonbinary is a blanket term for those that don't fall under traditional roles
Speaking as an enby
runic scroll
i thought it was interesting that Ana uses the female form when she uses nano
but Sombra uses masculine form to address bastion
when she kills it
iron plume
it's a grammatical thing
valid shell
That's likely just a translation bunk.
iron plume
neither Spanish or Arabic have neutral genders
it's not a bunk, it's what those languages default to
iron plume
it's actually a neat detail
runic scroll
and spanish default is usually masculine?
iron plume
In arabic IIRC it's not so much the default as genderless=female grammatically
iron plume
no the words are still gendered
runic scroll
basically arabic goes male/not male
iron plume
but for some things you can't have one
runic scroll
rather than "male/female" kinda thing i guess
iron plume
like for foreign words that are neutral in their own language
so you need to have a fallback
and it's different based on what language it is
runic scroll
so it's not intentionally balanced between Ana and Sombra using those forms
but it just works out that way
iron plume
yeah
runic scroll
that's actually cooler lol
white cobalt
6 chars in development, are they planning to launch those next year?
Or are talking like 3 for 2019, 3 for 2020
runic scroll
probably "6 chars in development but we don't know when anyone's gonna be released"
or rather, "we can't guarantee"
iron plume
as in not officially posted? yes
runic scroll
yeah
iron plume
but there's not really a reason to break it unless something goes wrong
iron plume
companies rarely do
runic scroll
do you think the lore development will be more active once "all" heroes are released?
and yes, that's exactly why i said that
why guarantee anything you don't need to
iron plume
doubt it
iron plume
they likely don't have a hero number deadline, more of a "we'll work on it steadily until the game drops lower than a certain threshold"
at which point lore will likely be dead
split night
Echo looks like she will play a major part in lore, thoughts?
valid shell
Yes.
worthy rose
we will never know until michael chu stop slacking off
sacred hamlet
which is never
lucid vessel
Michael Chu is the boogeyman of good lore
feral lintel
they'll probably only revisit echo when/if she becomes a playable hero
split night
i have so many questions about her, is she a new form of omnic? why was she held the way she was? how did she know mcree? what can she do? where did she come from? who made her?
there are just so many questions they opened with that one scene
sudden flower
I don't think she's an omnic, I think she's probably a robot like Orisa
She has the Vishkar symbol on her forehead, probably Vishkar technology, hard light abilities like shields, etc
sudden flower
She's not, she's a robot
Omnics are produced by omniums, Orisa was created by Efi
Orisa does have a very advanced AI
split night
using parts taken from an or15 that doomfist smashed
sudden flower
Exactly, Orisa is built based on a simple combat robot
I think it's the same with echo, the body is mass-produced, the inteligence is contained in the chip mccree had
That's why she was in a case, I don't think it's her original body
split night
but her predecessor, the or14 was involved in the crisis. likely meaning they were omnics such as bastion or zen ? albiet designed for war or in orisa's case protection?
timid eagle
At least we know what happened to McCree’s arm. Bob, apparently, removed it.
split night
really do we know what defines an omnic as opposed to a standard robot?
do they have to have a personality? sentience?
sudden flower
Or15's are known to be robots and not omnics
split night
able to move? talk
sudden flower
The omniums build them
And they are entirely capable of free will
I think just not being built by an omnium makes that individual not an omnic
despite how advanced their AI is
split night
i beleive based on the way she said it that mcree lost his arm a different way and ashe was simply generous enough to have bob remove his other one free of charge
i see. interesting
so does that mean null sector had stolen or14's and programmed them to fight with them or could it have been they gained sentience as well
feral lintel
or14s were omnics
but or15s weren't made in omniums, so they're not omnics
if i'm understanding this right
split night
oh, perhaps they did that to try to avoid another crisis? to try and phase omnics out of existence?
sudden flower
That's possible yeah. Doesn't make much sense to design a robot based off an omnic
There would have to be a reason behind it
quasi fern
I remember when there was a discussion about the crate that echo was in on Route 66 like a week ago
I guess we know now
vast mango
when will ashe be playable?
worthy rose
I'm dowloading a 6gb patch on PTR...
west cove
https://imgur.com/HNrMmrI when you compare widow's face with ashe's at a normal angle, e.g. not an obscuring upwards shot girls use on instagram to hide their features, they're no more similar than widow is to mercy
that one twitter post is just cherrypicking as fuck
doesn't help that the interface covers half the fucking head on it to be extra misleading
rigid orbit
ashe has more of a chin
west cove
i know, that's common in games and pixar-ish cartoons in general
but they're making it out to be a big deal when it's not
it's the mercy looks like brisket thing all over again
feral lintel
it's just the art style, i suppose. i remember someone pointed out that mccree and soldier have similar faces too
west cove
i'd go as far as saying blizzard does a decent job at variety in ow compared to most shit in the industry
feral lintel
yeah, blizzard does a pretty great job compared to most game companies
zenith latch
overwatch females can't be too pretty
or else they get nerfed
you need to get ugly heroes or people complain
like symmetra
feral lintel
none of the female characters in OW are ugly
the only hero who's probably supposed to be seen as ugly is junkrat, and even then he doesn't look that bad
timid eagle
And Roadhog.
prisma wren
so ashe is new hero?
feral lintel
we don't know what roadhog's face looks like though
prisma wren
yes we do
timid eagle
Yeah, but he’s pretty unconventional for a male character.
tough solar
I have never seen his face
feral lintel
there's a spray of a wanted poster that makes him look like a half-pig half-man
but idk if it's been confirmed if he actually looks like that
west cove
that's just a drawing
timid eagle
It honestly looks like an illustration where the witness explained what he/she thought he/she saw.
white cobalt
Yes is a drawing
timid eagle
We know that he’s hairy, unkept, farts when he runs, is fit-fat, and is a lot smarter than he appears.
rare ice
https://imgur.com/a/GyYQ57U not sure where to post this but ashe is basically Kissin Kate from Holes
gilded kiln
wth, Widow is way more dank than Ashe
violet pond
hello 😦
hardy sapphire
well his face was probably affected by radiation
gilded kiln
Shes purple/blue ffs
hardy sapphire
so he wear da gas mask for no more radiation and to hide his face
prisma wren
whens ashe on the ptr?
feral lintel
next week
split night
you got an update?
split night
oh ok, was about to run to my pc lol
worthy rose
pretty sure mccree can "convince" ashe to join him with no sweat, the photo on her bike and even bob is doubting she would put a bullet to his head
marble zodiac
0:43 in the backstory of Ashe you see this image https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/415323353373474816/508131034697826329/unknown.png
WHAT DID JEFF DO TO GET WANTED
runic scroll
I wonder if Bob just goes along with Ashe because reasons but secretly just wants to go back to doing regular butler stuff
And is just super reluctant to do deadlock shenanigans
west cove
i imagine he's more of the quiet guy who later turns out to be very gentle and well-spoken and he's genuinely looking out for her in an uncle iroh sort of way
except uncle iroh participated less in homicide shenanigans i guess
does he have any voiceacting ingame?
rare ice
Is it wierd to ship ashe and B.O.B. ? the age thing is in question, but bob could have been build just a bit b4, or even after she was born
west cove
doesn't really seem like a healthy relationship given that bob was her caretaker as a child
so i would say yes, it's weird
rare ice
I feel like they haven't gone into the human/omnic relations ever since like that early cinematic with widow killing mendata lol, seems like an interesting character idea they havent gotten to yet
oh well ecept with athena/echo and mcree i guess
runic scroll
I feel like Bob’s attitude towards Ashe would be more like a concerned uncle/butler who wants what’s best for her, and is playing along with her shenanigans because it seems to be what makes her happy
And to make sure she’s safe
But who knows, maybe he’s just kinda slow and is mindlessly doing what Ashe tells him to do
I like the former better though
Playing along so she’s happy and safe, but he personally would prefer a life of peace and culture
hasty surge
If bob is an ominic I'm sure he gas a mind of his own
Ashe also mentioned that bob is always there for her
Presumably by choice
timid eagle
LOL
Bob seems to be the silent type. Even in the animated short, he didn’t say a word.
runic scroll
I mean, an omnic can have a mind of its own and still be a pretty slow guy who just does things
I didn’t mean literally mindless
More like does things as he’s told without critically thinking about it, like some humans do
timid eagle
I can see that.
rare ice
Ok this brings up a question thinks kinda dark to think about, do makers of omnics determin the minds of omnics or are they like humans made to grow?
long ermine
Most omnics are built with a purpose
Ie bastion and OR units built for fighting
Orisa for protecting
rare ice
was zen or his master made to be a monk?
long ermine
Oasis, Rialto omnics are built to serve or run basic jobs
I’ve heard people say he was built for labour but I don’t know if that’s confirmed
runic scroll
So earlier today, someone said that mccree didn’t use deadeye in the short
But i wonder if you can count the “shooting off the pins from the thrown grenades mid-air” as the deadeye
He doesn’t say “it’s high noon” or anything, but neither did other heroes with their ults in their shorts
Some may have, but definitely not all
long ermine
I’m pretty sure deadeye is just concentration
It’s not some special ability or piece of kit
runic scroll
Right
long ermine
In lore
runic scroll
It’s just concentration and extreme marksmanship that allows him to hit several targets in rapid succession
Which is something he did when he shot the pins off of those grenades mid-air
long ermine
Ye, but it’s not like it was A DEADEYE
runic scroll
I just randomly remembered someone saying he/she was disappointed that mccree didn’t use it
long ermine
I don’t think that exists in lore
I think they’re expecting him to glow, say it’s high noon and pop skulls 😂
runic scroll
Right, i’m saying he did something that you could compare to deadeye
long ermine
Yeah I know
peak escarp
the description for Deadeye:
Focus. Mark. Draw. McCree takes a few precious moments to aim; when he’s ready to fire, he shoots every enemy in his line of sight. The weaker his targets are, the faster he’ll line up a killshot.
no tech involved - it's just good aim
runic scroll
Also, hanzo in selection screen still shows him playing around with the scatter arrow
Unplayable
peak escarp
Hanzo still has scatter arrow in the lore
runic scroll
I know
I’m just joking
Jeez
I was almost hoping mccree would be riding around on a wheeled motorcycle though
Just because if anyone would want to use obsolete tech, it’d be mccree
Just because it’s cool
I wonder how long it’s been in the universe that wheeled vehicles have become completely phased out
fierce maple
sooo, at least we know ashea still want jessieboy
also it supports the theme where every characgter have its nemesis or arch-rifal
rival
in which case we may in the future hav a release of TWO heroes at the same time?
if nto maybe a true 2-in-1 hero where you get a AI following or you control both?
I mean there ahs to be someone for junkrat/hog
likely it is queen plus something
peak escarp
I don't see them doing that
they've stated how hard 2-in-1 heroes are to develop
Ashe and BOB took up the development "budget" of 2 heroes
fierce maple
well if they were trying to actually make it true 2-in-1 from the beginning that is why
if their idea were like this final product from the get go it would be much easier
also they could opt for tag-switching the characters instead
lots of game use it that way to balance it out
peak escarp
it's not really a discussion for lore
hasty surge
I don't think blizzcon showed anything new other then Ashwe
It's pretty disappointing
untold frost
Do you guys know anything about the ending of the cinematic? Was that Athena?
Thats where my mind went when mccree said to say hi to winston for him
hasty surge
I just saw someone made this statement
His response to that was to call Echo instead
So yea, Echo is key to Overwatch```@untold frost it wasn't Athena
Athena is with winston
untold frost
I read some discussions and some people claim she may be a different ai and some say she is that iris design
young raptor
oof
subtle moss
And there's a picture of Ashe and Cree together in the speedo
I feel like their history might be a liiitle closer than just outlaws in arms
untold frost
He did lol
feral lintel
they were teenagers when they met, so they probably had a fling ('cause hormones)
sharp axle
can anyone tell me what that feminine robot in the new origin story is?
will it be another hero?
gusty fjord
I think so
sharp axle
feral lintel
yeah, jeff said they're planning on making her a future hero
sharp axle
damn it, 34 gonna ruin her before she even get released
damn you pervs of the internet
feral lintel
her name is echo, yeah
but we don't know much else about her other than what we're shown in the short
sharp axle
feral lintel
yep, lol
gusty fjord
Well hey, I'm glad then? haha
sharp axle
moved like one fart away
sharp axle
two in one i suppose
teal meadow
jeff said she will be
tawny patio
Later
teal meadow
just not now
civic apex
Can anyone tell me how we know that Echo is Echo?
teal meadow
Because they said it
tawny patio
I'ma just stop talking I keep making myself sound dumber
teal meadow
but the real question is who is echo, and why was she in the payload?
civic apex
I'm curious why McCree called her a partner.
feral lintel
maybe they used to work together when mccree was in blackwatch
or she could've been his robot girlfriend back then
or both
ashen lynx
Honestly sounded like Athena to me
And I'd say she'll 100% become a hero in the future
regal coyote
hello fellow lore interested overwatcher! so any news from blizzcon?
yes, that is other than the conematic and asheA.
oh, on that, please remember the ending of that cienmatic https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/9torgg/for_those_of_you_that_want_a_little_more_ashe_and/
worthy rose
wut
regal coyote
just watch it
there is a bit extra afte the cinematic they show on blizzcon
oh this too, some people claim this is jeff
sullen anchor
I feel like in a different world Ashe might have made a great blackwatch agent
regal coyote
and yes, mccree is officially not gay, and his status is at least "its complicated"
Ashe at least still feels for him.(edited)
And mccree is a horse thief
well, she would not be interested in working under someone
sullen anchor
Oh yeah probably
feral lintel
people keep saying "he could still be bi!" but like... i wouldn't hold my breath. until blizzard acknowledges that bi people exist, you should probably take their characters as either 100% straight or 100% gay
sullen anchor
Genji was a brat who also hated authority....but then again it was a life or death situation
I’m all for bi unless stated otherwise
regal coyote
i personally dont care
i do care if the character have a current love interest and who they are, sicne that is part of the character's connection
but their orientation is not that important
for msot of them
i guess for mccree it is a bit... well, you know eh lieks to charm his way through things
dire timber
@feral lintel the only character that I think is likely to be bi is Genji
feral lintel
eh, he already has feelings for mercy
regal coyote
well the omnics and robots can be anything really
whatever gener they ahve they made up unless us humans
*gender
i mean, structurally they dont have that defined even, they asexual
sullen anchor
I think it’s one of those things that blizzard may never really elaborate on unless it’s ‘important’ to the story
regal coyote
no point in elaborate
sullen anchor
So it’s useless discussing lol. Still enjoy it
regal coyote
i mean, we dont need to know if there are human suiters to winston, for example
feral lintel
i guess i'm tentatively on the "lucio might be lgbt" train now until they inevitably give him a girlfriend
sullen anchor
Who??
dire timber
trysexual?
sullen anchor
Oh wait give not gave lmao
feral lintel
i think the word you're looking for is pansexual
sullen anchor
Oh god imagine how language changes in the future when Omnics come into the equation
regal coyote
yes
my point
there would be fucking pieces of subhumans saying "i identify as an omnic"
regal coyote
:facefuckingpalm:
trans-omnic.
also is mcree a horse-thief?
or is he taking back his bike
we know before the conflict ashea is riding the bike, her name on the key, and those photo (ffs please learn to not keep photo of your ex)
sullen anchor
It says Ashe on the bike. And she screams ‘that’s my bike’ when mccree passes her in the little post short
Lmao it’s a bitch move but I thought it was funny
worthy rose
And the whole B.O.B able to rip apart Mcree arm is cool as hell
regal coyote
i say that cause on the origin story there seem to be a scene with the bike
sullen anchor
Cool? No. Terrifying? Hell yes.
regal coyote
also seeing the post shot proofs she can jump off at any time, so mccree probably expect the gang to escape
worthy rose
And the post thingy create a Rocket team feeling
regal coyote
also ntoe from the origin story all known members had been around for long
Bob, omnic sniper, three brothers.
sullen anchor
Yeah. What confuses me tho is in the panel yesterday day Michael chu made a point not to mention the two other people who formed deadlock
regal coyote
thsoe names are by papa jeff remember, along with the non member, Echo, which seems to be mccree's talking hug pillow
sullen anchor
And I don’t think it’s any of those
regal coyote
i think ashe and mccree is not the sole and only member forming the gang leadershi
so the old date may be reasonable, if soemone with the old lineage is the founder also.
also, the current deadlock gang might be recarnation of soemthing older
i mean, lots of groups claims lineage from soem ancient orderrs anyways even now
worthy rose
Pretty interesting to think about it but consdering everything ,we should know more about Deadlock
sullen anchor
Yeah. I’m pretty pissed off about it actually because what is the point of not naming the other two members? What could we possibly lose or gain from that??
feral lintel
maybe because they're leaving the possibility of making the other two founders playable heroes open
worthy rose
Might be something Blizzard teasing us for,we could see another short where overwatch taking down the Deadlock for good
sullen anchor
I guess
worthy rose
We could see that or another short where Mcree being hunted down by Reaper or Talon for Echo
regal coyote
nah
jeff hint echo is not ready for play yet
so not yet
also they wont kill team rocket for good
so yeah they always come back, like any good superhero story
worthy rose
Yeah,cause i have a feeling that Ashe still have something for Jesse at the end
regal coyote
a feeling?
the hell
she is still keeping their old photo on ehr ride.
wat you think.
and the way she yells at him zooming off? she totally want him
worthy rose
Yeah
regal coyote
i ams till wondering if mccree is the original owner of the pike though
and as he left she takes it.
worthy rose
Probably not
regal coyote
makes sense though
blackwatch go raid the deadlock gang, mccree pull some stunt so the rest can escape and got pwned by gabe
worthy rose
That make sense
regal coyote
so ashea got his bike and continue
feral lintel
i guess it's implied he doesn't, since he steals ashe's
why would he steal her bike if he has his own?
regal coyote
oe his bike is trained up
warm knoll
theres a QR code at the beginning of the reunion cinematics
above the sink with the dirty dishes
at about 0:22
what could it mean?
warm knoll
they dont look the same tho
limpid agate
just realized Bob wears crotchless chaps
warm knoll
feral lintel
someone decoded it and it apparently leads to the swedish wikipedia page for QR codes
lavish laurel
Ok, so.
Has anyone tried out that QR Code in Reunion?
Ok, I just scrolled up there... but why in Swedish?
trail axle
Echo is a new support hero 🍑
feral lintel
@lavish laurel probably just a random little easter egg 🤷
deft ice
Has echo ever been mentioned before?
regal coyote
i hope she can have a more seduction based voiceline, like shepard from mass effect. That would be PERFECT
feral lintel
echo was in early concept art for the game
lavish laurel
Echo was originally "Iris", from an early OW roster.
And was once also equipped with Athena's logo.
deft ice
Interesting
feral lintel
echo and athena are specifically mentioned to be two different characters now
hasty surge
I assume they would shift the heroes in and out according to meta, maybe story changes too?
they probably have more heroes in the pocket too
peak escarp
the other two founders of Deadlock weren't named because they want the possibility of revealing who they are
like those two other agents in the Ana group picture
hasty surge
3 other
white cobalt
And we didn't asked if Liao is alive or something. :(
peak escarp
ask who?
white cobalt
I mean, i forgot to ask to Turik yesterday
latent latch
lol this is totally canon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sQdF2kjCTU
worthy rose
echo has a vishkar logo
feral lintel
http://segadores-y-soldados.tumblr.com/post/179726402140/the-mc-just-called-mccree-ashes-ex-lover-oh
there's a voice actor panel going on at blizzcon at the moment, and apparently the MC (who is the voice director of Overwatch) confirmed that mccree and ashe used to date
subtle moss
It's pretty obvious
feral lintel
i know, but it's nice to have a confirmation
now people don't have to debate about it
subtle moss
True enough
cinder juniper
Get ready for ships between mccree and Ashe because they used to date
and these umm..."fan art"
feral lintel
well, it sure would make a lot more sense than mchanzo
though to be fair, pretty much any other mccree ship makes more sense than mchanzo
lean stag
"Fan art" heheh
feral lintel
similar, though
it could just be a redesign/simplification because the normal logo wouldn't work on a blue hologram
nova elbow
yeah it seems too close for them not to be implying some sort of connection
split night
plus her design is reminiscent of other vishkar products we have seen. smooth white plating, some hard light elements, simplistic and advanced.
dire timber
did Jeff said anything about Echo at Blizzcon?
runic scroll
i think just that her name is echo and she needs more time to develop?
i don't remember if she was even referred to as an omnic
or just a robot
worthy rose
Is bob some sort of special omnic? He can sweat, he can survive with his head detatched and he can be rebuilt good as new
He also cant talk?
iron plume
I think the sweat is a one-off joke that's not really a "thing"
but the rest isn't really unusual
we haven't seen disassembly kill an omnic
mondatta died because his was destroyed, not just detached
Bob's parts seem fine
not talking is probably also normal for purpose-built omnics
the panel mentioned that it was bought as a butler/bodyguard
split night
jeff just confirmed that echo isnt hero 30, isnt from vishkar and that she WILL be a hero.
and is very far along in development
(this is from fran's stream on twitch)
feral lintel
cool
valid shell
Honestly, having Echo outed as a hero early isn't different from Doomfist or Sombra.
We knew they were coming too, just not in so many words.
worthy rose
According to jeff they have the next 6 heroes planned
dire timber
@worthy rose Bob actually supports my theory that their core is located in their chest, rather than in their head
feral lintel
but... then wouldn't bob be offline when mccree removed his head?
split night
in various stages of development. he said that 30 is playable and modeled and everything internally, they are just working on balance. however some are still in concept .
(this also came from fran's stream)
flint briar
Wait, is Ashe albino?
feral lintel
that's just a fan theory
tardy sandal
white hair dye make more sense
split night
if she was albino her eyes would be pale as well
feral lintel
it's probably white hair dye + red contacts
iron plume
albino eyes aren't white
they're light-ish blue similar to "normal" blue
that said they're definitely not blood red
feral lintel
her natural hair color might be black, judging by her eyebrows
dire timber
here eyes and hair are strongly implied to be natural
valid shell
She has white hair and red eyes as a little babby girl.
And her mum does too? I think?
dire timber
yep, her mom seems to have white hair, too
dull scarab
pearl blade
Not lore, hate to break it to ya
dawn chasm
Very important lore
dire timber
shitposting will result in loss of access
valid shell
@dawn chasm @dull scarab Stop.
What sidearm does McCree have in his picture with Ashe?
That's not his current Peacekeeper (Peacemaker?), is it?
dawn chasm
Oh
valid shell
Ah, it's not his current revolver.
There's no ornamentation overtop of the cylinder or a spur on the grip.
feral lintel
time to speculate on hero 30, i guess
pearl blade
Junkerqueen
valid shell
Yeah, no.
I think we can agree if she was ever gonna be playable, she would be either the Junker mech fighter, or the charismatic lawless organization leader.
She was neither.
feral lintel
my totally random guess is guillermo portero as a powered armor wearing tank
limpid agate
Junkerqueen's chances have been slashed hard
In general we have Echo, Sanjay, and Max
For 30, Echo is most likely
feral lintel
nope, jeff said 30 won't be echo
lapis cloak
ashe feels like junkerqueen
limpid agate
Source? Must have missed that
Havent kept up with much the past day
Just the ceremony and whats new panel
lapis cloak
if junkerqueen gets added, there's gonna have to be some sort of change to one of their characters to contrast them because there's so much overlap
feral lintel
limpid agate
Ill watch that
limpid agate
Gonna fix the wiki with news from the opening ceremony first
Before going into panels/interviews
sharp orbit
So it's interesting how the "Athena robot body" evolved into Echo
so now it's not Athena
limpid agate
Yes. It more or less killed Athena's chance of ever being a hero
sharp orbit
but rather another AI who might be related to Athena
probably a sister AI
And she seems to have her own symbol
since they replaced the Athena symbol with a new one on her head
but yeah I'm looking forward to her story and the part she plays
and all the interactions with her and Winston and Athena and others
Also I like how they added floating binders to her back
maybe she has some kind of flight ability
fresh cipher
so, with both Ashe and Torb getting burn effects, lingering damage effects seem to be more common. Do you think we'll one day get a dedicated lingerer?
fresh cipher
shrug
valid shell
Them's the rules my dude.
I know #overwatch is fast moving and intimidating, but that's where gameplay talk goes.
@fresh cipher
fresh cipher
what about custom concepts?
valid shell
That borders fanfiction, so it's not allowed, but you're closer.
fresh cipher
nothing wrong with fanfiction
pearl blade
That's right, but this isn't the place for it
fresh cipher
which place is?
valid shell
#overwatch or /r/overwatchheroconcepts or a couple other popular discords.
limpid agate
Is Echo related to Athena, or are they completely unrelated?
A (Jeff Kaplan): They’re completely unrelated
@sharp orbit
He talks more about the two being one and the same
In the context of the whole answer
But he also said they are completely unrelated
sharp orbit
what
how does that make sense
how can they be one and the same but unrelated
???
limpid agate
The paragraph is about people thinking they are one and the same
And he talked about that
Saying they arent
sharp orbit
oh
misunderstood
Well Echo might still be an AI on the level of Athena or something
and it sounds she was involved with Overwatch in the past
Wonder if Winston made her
sharp orbit
They probably went on Overwatch missions together
last inlet
So she's no Omnic?
valid shell
She's a robot, so colloquially she's an Omnic.
But was she made in an Omnium?
We don't know.
last inlet
That's true enough.
Hologram face is not a kind of robot we've seen
dire timber
I'm honestly holding off on Echo
we'll learn more about her once she drops as a hero
runic scroll
did Efi write Orisa's AI from scratch, or is it regular Omnic AI with Efi's custom scripts
codes
whatever
valid shell
@runic scroll https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5ssdddU8AA3Xuk.jpg
Seems like it.
She didn't buy any processors or anything.
Unless "regular Omnic AI" came with the OR15 chassis.
runic scroll
i wonder if a non-omnium made robot can have omnic-level AI
and actually be an individual
not just an automaton doing what it's scripted to do
isn't omnics suddenly "having souls" a mystery
how they came to be like that, that is
limpid agate
Snowball has a high level of AI
runic scroll
i wonder how high though
it's easy to tell that it definitely has some intelligence and is able to care about others, etc
but its modes of expression are so limited that you can't tell if snowball is like a smart dog-level high, or zenyatta-level high AI
it's entirely possible that snowball is the smartest AI in the world or something
but all we can see snowball do is fly around and make faces, pretty much
as a mode of communication
loud raptor
is this the right place to ask if there were 2 castles on Eichenwalde when the halloween event was going on?
limpid agate
What
loud raptor
eichenwalde
there were 2 castles when the halloween event was going on. eichenwalde at night
@limpid agate
pearl blade
I think he's asking if it's canon?