it's not like he was forced to stay there
#lore-discussion
sacred hamlet
limpid agate
Gathering his winnings, Hammond was able to upgrade his mech enough to survive the dangerous trek out of the Junker-controlled Outback.
Now free to travel and do as he pleases, Hammond is exploring the world and finding new adventures along the way.```He was unable to leave
The quote I made earlier even had the "Now free to travel" part
sacred hamlet
By the way what dangers are we talking about
limpid agate
Meaning he was not free to travel before
worthy rose
Cause inertia?
lean prawn
so not beef with the queen or the town, but leaving would have been too dangerous
sacred hamlet
Other Junkers, raiders or actual natural threats
formal steppe
maybe both
limpid agate
Probably all 3, plus radiation
worthy rose
i still dont understand how he's just walking around with machine gun hands and no one questions him
peak escarp
Winston joined Overwatch ~13-10 years ago
lean prawn
with 13 years under his belt, chances are that that mech can do more than just roll, shoot, and censor hammond
worthy rose
the queen doesn't
sacred hamlet
how do you know that
worthy rose
How do you know she knows? Hammond's entire thing is that no one knows he's a hamster.
besides like winston
he's pretty much in mech always
sacred hamlet
because he's most likely won dozens of competitions
and the queen would want to know who he is
worthy rose
With that line of logic everyone in the crowd would have known
formal steppe
but you can't just assume that
sacred hamlet
she wouldn't just give her money to some rando
worthy rose
cause he's won dozen of matches
she gave her money to the winner of the games, just how he rolls
formal steppe
Hammond won, he's not a rando, he's the winner
sacred hamlet
Yes
a rando barges in
wins dozens of matche
and you expect the queen to not question his anonymity
worthy rose
You think they have inspections on characters?
lean prawn
junkertown is full of savages, but it still has organization
worthy rose
Junkertown isn't a government guy
sacred hamlet
Yes
But the Queen is still not going to let a ball win all that cash without her knowing him first
formal steppe
why not?
limpid agate
Its likely someone was able to confirm his identity. If not the queen, then Bruce
worthy rose
Pretty sure that's exactly how that's gone and is. Hammond makes it a point no one knows who he is.
sacred hamlet
Both maybe
limpid agate
He appears to have built Wrecking Ball in Bruce's garage.
lean prawn
assert dominance? junkertown does run on the premise that whoever has the better robot gets to rule
sacred hamlet
Hammond clearly doesn't want to take over Junkertown
why would he contest dominance with the Queen
lean prawn
the queen might want to assert her authority, regardless of hammond's intentions
lean prawn
exactly
peak escarp
the ruler isn't whoever wins the mech battles
peak escarp
lean prawn
or at least have some connections find out the wrecking ball's true identity
lean prawn
he doesn't need to
hammond gets a kick out of beating up giant robots but he's only doing it out of necessity
worthy rose
and for a fun time
lean prawn
he doesn't need a band of very dangerous dumbasses to look after
worthy rose
Hammond has a very big "I do what I want" thing about him
and clearly he values freedom more than ruling
sacred hamlet
Hammond just goes after what benefits him
worthy rose
no he really doesn't
if he did that
he'd stay
and keep winning
he wants to enjoy himself and live his tiny hamster life
lean prawn
remember when we thought that hammond was a chimpanzee support hero that stole ammo
lean prawn
playing against that would be so fucking annoying
worthy rose
I'm more looking into all the open ended questions that there are
- What was that pink cube mccree kicked out the train?
- What was the treasure that junkrat found
sacred hamlet
pink glowing information
worthy rose
or an energy source but what is it exactly
sacred hamlet
got it
lean prawn
this is overwatch dude
worthy rose
how did it get there
worthy rose
cause no one knew it was on there besides talon
sacred hamlet
Ask Chu
formal steppe
why was it on there in the first place, though?
sacred hamlet
he'll finish the sequence in about 4 or so
formal steppe
and who put it there?
sacred hamlet
People who wanted it transported
formal steppe
former question, then
worthy rose
There's a lot of questions to be had and I'm looking forward to how chu answers all of them and ties them together into one big actual lore thing
sacred hamlet
Because trains transport things
worthy rose
cause this is easily gonna take about a decade assuming they don't add new things and based on the current rate about how lore is released
sacred hamlet
nah dude who cares about lore
we got gameplay and cosmetics xd
I also just noticed
Why does the Junkerqueen look so thin for a gladiator
slash literally the leader of a bunch of savages
Did they give her the Brigitte noodle arms treatment
peak escarp
she looked pretty buff to me
peak escarp
also, she's a mech fighter, not a gladiator
sacred hamlet
this is definitely not buffed
worthy rose
she's a mech fighter dude
formal steppe
you can't even tell from that
worthy rose
DVA is a mech fighter you dont see her ripped like Zarya
sacred hamlet
she's still the leader of a bunch of savages who carries a giant axe around
you can't expect her to have noodle arms
peak escarp
they follow her because she's popular
sacred hamlet
and an overall thin waist
worthy rose
a man judging a woman's capability to lead based on her physical attributes
hmmmmmmmmmmm
sacred hamlet
yeah
'cause the leader of a community of savages
which again
carries a giant axe around
shouldn't at least be a little buffed
I mean fucking look at Torb
Guy only engineers and builds shit
and he's ripped as fuck
Like actual steroids ripped
long ermine
I mean no hes not
he has a gut, hes just got big biceps/forearms
only his arms are ripped
worthy rose
cause he engineers and builds shit. That's his thing. he's just regularly muscular. By your same logic, DVA should be buff as hell
long ermine
which is normal for a mechanic lol
formal steppe
worthy rose
by pushing the controls of a giant heavy af mech
sacred hamlet
and yeah Torb is obviously strong because he hammers a lot
It's just confusing to me that someone like the Junkerqueen doesn't even have a tiny bit of muscle
It's unrealistic from her position and her character
long ermine
i mean. we've only seen what
2 pics of her
ones a poster where we dont even see all of her, the second is far away
sacred hamlet
and i'm starting to assume they're wrong depictions of her
worthy rose
1 of a vague spray, the other of a poster,and 1 from the Hammond cinematic and that's all tiny
formal steppe
you cannot see from the picture you supplied. it is too far away and the drawing from that distance does not have a lot of detail put into her features
sacred hamlet
like someone didn't check her design before drawing
long ermine
and lets not forget how Overwatch stylises people
formal steppe
you can barely see her face
long ermine
those arent official blizzard art tho
they're not relevant to lore
or do you mean the two pics we've seen
formal steppe
and out of how many have Blizz actually given to us
long ermine
pretty sure these are the only two official representations of the queen we've seen
sacred hamlet
peak escarp
there's also a stylized version of her in one of Hammond's sprays
long ermine
tbh I don't think any of these are out of place.
sacred hamlet
Because I expected just a little tiny bit of muscle
long ermine
her arms arent that skinny, for Overwatch that's an average female arm
sacred hamlet
just a little bit dud
worthy rose
he does, he really really does for reasons i do not understand other than it apparently aesthetically displeases him
sacred hamlet
LIke i'm not even asking for a zarya here
limpid agate
I didnt realize noodle arms makes you unfit to be a hero
sacred hamlet
I'm saying Brigitte levels of muscle
from her cinematic
like at least just a tiny bit
sacred hamlet
SHIEEET
we don't talk about old brigitte
she had an implant from the comics to the game
long ermine
???? thats legit what you're talking about
OkayChampToday at 5:10 AM
I'm saying Brigitte levels of muscle
from her cinematic
that is old brig
worthy rose
he's being cornered and now is panicking :3
sacred hamlet
dude do you even know how different brig looks in the game compared to the comics
long ermine
yeah, of course i do
sacred hamlet
It's like a huge fucking difference
and i'm not saying a person without muscles shouldn't be a hero
never said that
long ermine
have you seen how different Tracer looks in comics? How different Widow looks in cinematics?
peak escarp
then you can expect JQ to look different when she gets added as a hero
long ermine
i dont see you complaining about that 🤣
long ermine
she is fit
long ermine
every female charactert in the game other than Zarya has noodle arms
sacred hamlet
what are you talking about
long ermine
its just how they stylize the game
worthy rose
ur not gonna get anywhere with him fox
sacred hamlet
Let's not forget that every female character in the game had the same body style
worthy rose
he's just gonna keep preaching how he thinks JQ should be zarya ripped
valid shell
Real hero material.
sacred hamlet
back in the beta
long ermine
formal steppe
lucid vessel
I think it's fair to expect the ruler of a near dystopic society that values power to have visible muscle
formal steppe
damn, look at those noodle arms.
sacred hamlet
tracer just shoots shit
formal steppe
omegalul
long ermine
thats not fanart lol
formal steppe
this guy is trolling
sacred hamlet
oh
formal steppe
holy shit
sacred hamlet
i didn't see the comic
there's literally a huge tracer wallpaper
above the comic
what shitty page is this
long ermine
sacred hamlet
yeah tracer is pretty fucking thin
worthy rose
The comic books have different artists
sacred hamlet
and that still looks like tracer
long ermine
worthy rose
not everything is made the same way
worthy rose
they have a reference page of what a character should roughly look like and then going with that
long ermine
sacred hamlet
I want
a pic of brig
from the comics right now
go get it
I don't know how to post pics in here
so I can'tr
very sad
long ermine
worthy rose
Fox ur not gonna get anywhere with the guy, take a chill and step away as this guy learns more about the lore himself from reading the comics instead of just assuming the cinematics are all there is
sacred hamlet
MATE what you on about
I'm not defying Junkerqueen's personalit, position or anything based on the comics
I'm saying she lacks muscle for someone like her
Like come on
long ermine
but she doesnt, though.
sacred hamlet
She literally has noodle arms when she carries giant axes around
oh please this is just absurd
long ermine
look at how blizzard styles all female heroes arms, except Zarya
sacred hamlet
Shit man
sacred hamlet
I would've loved a thin Orisa
long ermine
or in her spray
sacred hamlet
Anyone up for Thinrissa
Noodle arms Orisa
that seems realistic
Definitely fits her style
and concept
formal steppe
hey, anyone up for a floating Soldier like Zenyatta?
that seems cool
omnics and humans are exactly the same
sacred hamlet
To be honest her arms look fine for someone who only utilizes guns
long ermine
bro
formal steppe
why is Widowmaker so thin then?
formal steppe
she's a literal assassin
lucid vessel
Widow's a femme fatale
sacred hamlet
using arms is fucking futile when you can kick people with that shit
lucid vessel
Who's job is to assassinate people with sniper rifles and perform clandestine operations
formal steppe
I'm fucking done
sacred hamlet
Dude you 3 are literally implying
lucid vessel
Why tho
sacred hamlet
That a person with the arms of the Junkerqueen
lucid vessel
Why are you so mad
sacred hamlet
can carry an axe like that around
without struggle
Like come on
Logic man
I just hope they fix her
Also the legs thing is not a fucking joke
Widowmaker literally takes 2 guys out only using her legs
Surprisingly enough you can use your legs instead of your arms for combat
Probably didn't teach you that in logic school
And no, Junkerqueen cannot use her legs for fighting
she's not trained for that
widow is
formal steppe
"let me just defend my face with my legs"
sacred hamlet
no
she would defend her face with either her sniper rifle or some shitty arm cross
but mainly her sniper rifle
'cause her arms are fucking noodley
THOSE legs though goddamn those can cause some serious damage
So anyways Junkerqueen should at least receive some more muscle, other than that her design is perfectly fine
Strong and scary leader with a strong and scary personality yeah yeah hero material
I go rest now I have blizzcon to watch tomorrow
formal steppe
sleep well :)
sacred hamlet
If I don't leave a message here tomorrow he killed me
timid eagle
Can’t sleep, waiting for BlizzCon to start.
wild shadow
That's an event?
peak escarp
it's Blizzard's big convention where they announce new stuff for their games every year
including (most likely) a new hero and an animated short
wild shadow
Oh yeah that shit
tardy sandal
🍿 🔥 
iron plume
thank you for your contribution
worthy rose
junkrat is actually roadhog's wife!
pearl blade
No shitposting please thanks
sharp trench
i wonder what origin story we'll get next
sharp trench
hmm
cobalt cipher
I don't think we will be getting animated short this time
Not like the Sombra one, more like the one we got with Moira
narrow carbon
when would the new hero be announced? at the beginning of blizzcon?
sacred hamlet
Yes
wary siren
Can't wait for 2pm EST!!!! here we go baby, money is on Sven. let's roll....
cobalt cipher
I just hope it's Junker Queen
knotty pagoda
Any pics of Sven?
split night
Where is all the hype for junker queen coming from? I mean don't get me wrong I would love to have her as a character but i haven't seen any hints for her at all, unless you count her appearence in hammonds origin but i don't know of anything else that has teased at her being a potential release for this blizzcon. am i missing something? everyone seems to be certain it's going to be her
limpid agate
unless you count her appearance in Hammond origins
That's exactly it
@split night
split night
that doesnt seem like enough to go off of though, i understand that blizzard has been tight with this one but havent there been other things? like what about the armor that was in moira's origin or whatever was stolen in route 66, those seem, at least to me like the same kind of situation, what makes the queen a more viable choice than others? Is it just that she's the character that people want the most?
peak escarp
we had less of a teaser for Moira or Orisa
whatever was stolen from Route 66 is too recent - it hasn't even hit live yet
limpid agate
Blizz likes to tease heroes about 4 months in advance
Junkerqueen is the only one that had that other than Meka
And Chu was apparently surprised that Meka was popular
hasty surge
In 1 hours time?
limpid agate
2 hours
split night
it still seems scetchy to me, i hope it is the queen but it doesnt seem very likely to me. I see where you're coming from though
limpid agate
Even Moira and Orisa didnt come out of nowhere
peak escarp
it could be a face in the crowd (like Moira was)
limpid agate
Not even
She was the only unknown highlighted in a group of known characters
We saw 5 Talon leaders clearly. Reaper, Doomfist, Max, Sanjay, and her (the unknown)
There was quite a bit of speculation about Joker
split night
have you seen the speculation that mohawk guy in the founders of overwatch picture might be a member of talon?
i beleive btc made a video on it a few days ago
limpid agate
I talked about that a year ago
peak escarp
first off, that's not a picture of "the founders"
feral lintel
somewhat related, but as far as we know, liao doesn't exist anymore
peak escarp
it was taken ~5 years after Overwatch formed and has McCree and Mercy (who isn't even a member yet)
limpid agate
Liao may or may not exist
peak escarp
limpid agate
And the photo was taken ~10 years after Overwatch was founded
20 years ago
Otherwise, Mercy would be way too young and Torb would have 2 rms
peak escarp
I didn't think Overwatch was founded at the start of the Omnic crisis
but rather in the middle/towards the end?
limpid agate
It didn't take 5 years either
split night
we havent heard anything about the faces in the short with winston and reaper right? the one where winston initiates the call? (cant remember what it was called)
limpid agate
If say roughly a year or two
peak escarp
that's why I used ~
limpid agate
Yeah but ~5 is still too late
peak escarp
~7 then
limpid agate
Sure.
peak escarp
@split night that would be Recall
split night
oh right
peak escarp
these are the "unknown" faces
bottom middle is Mirembe from Legacy
middle right is Kimiko, also from Legacy
sacred hamlet
@split night She's got a voice actor, an unique and consistent design, her own map, connections to the Junkers & Hammond
peak escarp
split night
wasnt the top left one shown in the concept book?
sacred hamlet
And Hammond which she is connected to came out just 4 months ago
peak escarp
sacred hamlet
She's 100% the next hero
split night
do you think we'll ever see some of the faces in recall again or have they all been retconned/used differently
peak escarp
they've probably been adapted into other concepts or forgotten completely
Kimiko and Mirembe did get used again, so you never know
split night
thats what i figured. a few of those designs look interesting though. would be interesting to see them in game
most of them are fairly genereic but a few look like they would make interesting additions
feral lintel
you can see who they've eventually been adapted into for some
in the prometheus pic i can see characters who resemble mercy, roadhog, tracer, genji, torbjorn, reaper, winston and symmetra
split night
the black girl with white hair in the top right might have become efi
valid prism
hero 29 could be one of them
pure kernel
look at them, look at hero 29, look again
split night
the one in the hasmat suit has been confirmed to be ana
i beleive they adapted her original concept art into two of her legendary skins to fit her new design
feral lintel
oh, i also see bastion
split night
the one on the far right seems to be holding an early adaptation of winston's tesla cannon
feral lintel
i wonder what winston's weapon would have been then
split night
judging by the picture i dont think winston esisted yet, they probably just liked the design of the gun and gave it to him when they started working on overwatch
feral lintel
no, winston is there. he's standing between reaper and symmetra
split night
oh yeah i'm just blind
that is interesting though. i cant really picture winston with anything else. it doesnt seem to fit his character
peak escarp
I went through the artbook and labeled which heroes we know are there
Genji and Hanzo were originally one hero
split night
you forgot ana. the hasmat suit next to torbjorn was an early concept for her
split night
i think i saw it in an interveiw with jeff kaplan
peak escarp
what about crossbow chick on the left - early Sombra idea?
split night
not sure about her
feral lintel
idk, she doesn't seem very hacker-like
split night
just looked up early sombra concept art
not letting me put it in. hold up
DISCORD WORK WITH ME
i got like 3 pics but it wont let me put them in
sombra basically used to look like an edglord. reapers little sister or something. she had a black cloak and red ribbons and such
feral lintel
split night
yeah those two. there was another one where she had like a skull mask too
this thing
aperently she used to have a hood but they scrapped it because it looked to similar to ana
feral lintel
is that official? it looks like fanart
split night
i saw a few on there. they just came from google images so it could be
i saw at least three though so if it is fanart it must be a popular one
feral lintel
bear in mind that sombra was hinted at for months, so people probably came up with their own concepts too
split night
also true
oh yeah this is concept art. if you look at the hyperlink its from deviantart
i should have checked that
peak escarp
a lot of people thought Ana's Shrike appearance was Sombra
because it was seen on newspapers in the game around that time
split night
i know sombra had some files found on desks but other than that didnt all of her hints come from computers found in the game?
long ermine
she had a whole ARG
split night
i mean in game hints
the arg was painful
most of the arg took part in our world right? like we had to put codes and such into a website to trigger a countdown or whatever it was?
feral lintel
junker queen with a lucio/symmetra cinematic
nova elbow
very early sombra used daggers, not a bow
long ermine
When's hero announcement?
limpid agate
20 minutes
long ermine
😍
hasty surge
There's still possibility of a Talon/Blackwatch Tank
pearl blade
When's hero announcement
narrow nymph
What pie is this?
long ermine
looks like chicken
narrow nymph
silver hair? red eyes? oh my
white cobalt
deadlock gang girl
runic scroll
oh shit omnic fact
long ermine
POG?
runic scroll
omnic head can be disembodied
white cobalt
athena?
nova elbow
it's the goddamn Athena bot
but not Athena anymore
long ermine
i dont like her face, i preferred the old omnic face thing
iron plume
I love it
nova elbow
logo on her face is from Oasis (?)
runic scroll
the white robot is def gonna be a hero
bob and ashe seem cool though
would love to see more of them
long ermine
Ashe will be at one point I think
hasty surge
Echo?
runic scroll
i think i would have preferred the white robot to have more of a visor type face
long ermine
eCHO
runic scroll
than an actual face
runic scroll
BOBERT
long ermine
ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe ashe
ASHE
ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE ASHE
hasty surge
ASHE
runic scroll
NICE
long ermine
HITSCAN
narrow nymph
runic scroll
i thought the dynamite was the ult lol
BOOOOOB
i now retract my comment
about uninspired skill set
runic scroll
BOBERT
runic scroll
think PTR will get her today?
runic scroll
seems like more versatile mccree
white cobalt
The hero ult was kinda predicted here
subtle moss
Probably strictly bwtter mccree if the new hero trend holds
runic scroll
little less effective CC but more survivability
sacred hamlet
Kinda wanted Junkerqueen but Female McCree with Bob sold me
limpid agate
OK I was wrong. This hero was literally out of nowhere
subtle moss
Crees CC is terrible. Flashbang is a decent ability because of his gun but therr's about two abilities in the whole game you could replace with it without making the hero worse
long ermine
I told you 😄
subtle moss
And yeah this was comolete left field.
subtle moss
I have to say
peak escarp
yeah
white cobalt
There was a motorcycle?
white cobalt
in route 66
regal coyote
Also, remember jeff saya ECHO is not ready to be played yet
subtle moss
The face looks so terrible
limpid agate
I dont like Echo
sacred hamlet
Is that Athena or not
regal coyote
so yeah take it as you will
pure kernel
no
subtle moss
Words can scarce describe
sacred hamlet
She has the athena logo on it
limpid agate
It is not Atheba
pure kernel
ECHO
long ermine
but i would have p[reffered that face
pure kernel
oh yeah
worthy rose
Awesome on those that called out Ashe!
Also, Bob and the triplets and so much new potential here
long ermine
the face looks so out of place
pure kernel
yup
runic scroll
the face looks so genereic stock photo sci-fi
subtle moss
A visor or full face plate would be so much better
runic scroll
yeah i think just a dark visor would have been the best
subtle moss
I hope she has a "combat mode" that covers it like Optimus Prime
long ermine
It could always be like Pharah
subtle moss
Or yeah, Pharah
subtle moss
The face alone looks dreadful
nova elbow
is Ashe the first new hero not to have been teased at all before announcement (not counting general stuff about the Deadlock Gang)?
subtle moss
Think so
nova elbow
they don't
sacred hamlet
theydo
long ermine
same body
sacred hamlet
are you sure
iron plume
it's not the same logo
nova elbow
the old concept art had the athena logo but it's not there on echo
iron plume
they used the concept for athena but it's not athena
long ermine
the logo IS there, its just a different logo
iron plume
they've been separated into two characters
limpid agate
Deadlock Sniper
Triplets
Echo
Bob
Ashe
nova elbow
yeah, presumably they were originally conceived as one
limpid agate
We should learn more at Whats Next
long ermine
Echo or Queen will probably be the next
weary copper
Is Ashe a new hero?
limpid agate
Queens chance dropped
long ermine
right?
limpid agate
Almost certainly
mellow forum
Why did people think we were getting Junkerqueen anyway?
sacred hamlet
I really don't like her design
mellow forum
I never understoond it
limpid agate
@mellow forum We had no one else to expect
subtle moss
The face is an atrocity
sacred hamlet
Dude there's so many female characters being pumped out
subtle moss
But otherwise cool yeah
sacred hamlet
What happened to the dudes
limpid agate
Bob is a dude
subtle moss
They were a hamster
sacred hamlet
Bob is still an ultimate
long ermine
hammond, bob
sacred hamlet
and he's probably going to be on a timer
long ermine
hammond isnt a dude dude but yu know
sacred hamlet
still want more male characters
ashe looks kinda eh design wise to be honest
Junkerqueen is still better
But her kits look fun
weary copper
Guys is ashe a new character?
limpid agate
Bio is out
long ermine
nah I love ashe design
limpid agate
white cobalt
@limpid agate really?
weary copper
thx
white cobalt
Oh boy
long ermine
merci
iron plume
already removed
sacred hamlet
PTR ashe should be coming out in a week right
long ermine
ive still got it up
Ashe is the ambitious and calculating leader of the Deadlock Gang and a respected figure in the criminal underworld.
Born into a wealthy family, Ashe grew up surrounded by privilege. Her parents were highly sought-after business consultants and coaches for powerful CEOs around the world. Though her parents paid little attention to her (mostly leaving her in the care of the family’s omnic butler, Bob), they ensured that Ashe had every opportunity to succeed. But a chance meeting with a local ruffian, named Jesse McCree, and an impromptu string of crimes committed together opened her eyes to her true calling. The satisfaction of outwitting her targets and the thrill of getting away with it set her on the outlaw path.
Along with the other three founders of the Deadlock Gang, Ashe started to make a name for herself with bigger and more extravagant heists. The Deadlock Gang’s rapid rise to prominence put them at odds with the other criminal organizations in the American Southwest; the encounters often became violent. After years of skirmishes and bloodshed, Ashe called the heads of the major groups together.
Ashe saw the potential to grow the influence of all. She used what she’d learned from her parents’ business to bring order to these groups. Her proposal was that the gangs could work together (or at least, not work against each other). Her principles: keep your word, don’t work with the law, respect each other’s territory, and always punish betrayal.
No longer having to focus her energies on squabbles with the other gangs, Ashe is now writing her name across the American Southwest with a string of audacious heists and operations that has put her at top of the authorities’ most-wanted lists and cemented her legacy as an outlaw legend.
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sacred hamlet
this hurts my eyes
long ermine
but if its been removed then boop there ugo
sacred hamlet
They defined ashe as a high skill character but she's just 2 stars
long ermine
the stars dont really matter
nova elbow
there are currently 14 female characters, 14 male characters, and Bastion... so I'm not sure why you want more male characters @sacred hamlet
limpid agate
Ashe is great.
long ermine
i love her
limpid agate
Bob is her butler from her childhood apparently?
sacred hamlet
that she upgraded herself
runic scroll
i wonder if he had the regular omnic body
iron plume
yeah
runic scroll
then upgraded into that big boi body
runic scroll
we know that the head can be removed without adverse effects
or at least without killing the omnic
was mccree one of the founders of the gang?
long ermine
ye
nova elbow
it seems like it, not sure if bob is counted though
runic scroll
i was always under the impression that it was a longstanding gang that he joined
but w/e
limpid agate
McCree is a bad influence
nova elbow
"a chance meeting with a local ruffian, named Jesse McCree, and an impromptu string of crimes committed together opened her eyes to her true calling" suggests that she didn't start crime until they met, and given that she's a founder of the deadlock gang...
runic scroll
yeah that makes sense
limpid agate
Also, did we get confirmation McCree said no to Recall?
white cobalt
@limpid agate McCree bad influence as in probs he is her ex-bf
limpid agate
At least, no for now.
sacred hamlet
pretty sure he agreed
runic scroll
i don't think you can actually say he declined it
peak escarp
it seemed ambiguous
runic scroll
he's definitely not heading over right now
peak escarp
like he was going to answer, but had to do something else first
lean prawn
hahah we know how McCree lost his arm now
runic scroll
but he's helping the cause, and maybe he thinks he can help better by going around and securing assets, etc
limpid agate
Fun fact, Echo's token existed since launch
peak escarp
also, I'm confused how this works with what we know of McCree's backstory
lean prawn
wait nvm
long ermine
token?
runic scroll
rather than just joining up at gibraltar right now
peak escarp
since he was busted by Overwatch at 17
sacred hamlet
no bob did not rip mccree's arm off
limpid agate
The thing McCree had
long ermine
Hmm. so has the crate thing
it might have been the origin for Athena when she was a likely hero
runic scroll
mccree had both arms in OW so i don't think he lost it during his deadlock days
lean prawn
yeah i just realized that
nova elbow
ashe would've been 19 when mccree left, then
he probably just wasn't there for very long, there's nothing in ashe's backstory to imply he stuck around
lean prawn
mccree didn't use deadeye tho so that's a bit dissapointing
sacred hamlet
Use Deadeye with 5 people pointing weapons at you LUL
runic scroll
and the high noon reference with the clock
although i think that's more of the actual high noon than deadeye reference
long ermine
whizzer: 76Today at 7:33 PM
ashe would've been 19 when mccree left, then
so mccree would have been 17
peak escarp
I'm hoping the What's New panel will clarify
sacred hamlet
so are we not getting a new gamemode
limpid agate
Athena will never be playable
sacred hamlet
how dissapointing
limpid agate
We have Echo instead
long ermine
a hero isn't big? 😂
long ermine
OWWC viewer, new hero, new short?
limpid agate
A short + Hero
sacred hamlet
that's kind of the standards for a blizzcon
sacred hamlet
still
limpid agate
There still Whats Next
sacred hamlet
for a new hero and a cinematic that was basically watching paint
sacred hamlet
kinda dissapointing but still
long ermine
there's also the social feature
sacred hamlet
are they showing anything new
limpid agate
They have more to announce
sacred hamlet
in the whats next
sacred hamlet
I thought that was just for the New hero gameplay
long ermine
its like an hour isnt it
limpid agate
Yes
sacred hamlet
alright let's see if something happens then
because this is pretty lackluster
currently at least
Also. Ashe's dynamite burns enemies
so they didn't make it solely for torb after all
Fire hero is still possible
limpid agate
runic scroll
can we make a slippery water hero
sacred hamlet
blizz says a lot of things
and with 2 heroes having fire abilities now
it's possible
limpid agate
It's gameplay, and also unlikely
split night
ashe looks so fun! i'm sad that i mostly get stuck on support because she has some of my favorite abilities in other games and looks so fun
limpid agate
All these dots are on cooldowns
long ermine
dots?
sacred hamlet
it sucks that she's dps 'cause she'll always be picked
split night
^
long ermine
im just lucky i'll get to play her in scrims
they say her ADS makes her more accurate with more damage
I wonder if she wont be accurate unscoped
or if its just "zoom in mean aim good hurdur"
feral lintel
rest in pieces, mchanzo
long ermine
you will not be missed
brisk harbor
So did like ashe and mccree used to have an intimate relationship
split night
do you think she will be well balanced on release? i mean we all know how blizzard likes to make people broken on launch but she looks to me at least like she might actually be really well made
regal coyote
not sure if intimate
feral lintel
either ashe and mccree or echo and mccree
long ermine
oh i thought you meant echo and mccree rip
idk about ashe and mccree, they were pretty young when they met it seems
16-18
feral lintel
ashe is two years older than mccree
feral lintel
so when he was recruited into blackwatch she was 19
regal coyote
echo-mccree? which part of "do not have intermediate relationship with a toaster" do you not understand
mental carbon
...That's a rule?
long ermine
hey man im not saying it would be good
mental carbon
Wish I had known that before the burns.
peak escarp
long ermine
but also there are omnic/human relationships on kings row
young raptor
what did mccree activate? athena?
long ermine
Echo
long ermine
🤷 omnic
long ermine
We don't know much of anything about her right now
young raptor
and how do we know the name
long ermine
Jeff confirmed
umbral fiber
looks like she will be balanced
Is a sniper-reaper, and can call down mustachioed robo-death from above
long ermine
"Echo, the Triplets, Omnic Sniper, Bob, and Ashe"
not in that order but those are the names he said
regal coyote
both, the rifle is semi automatic, but the coach gun is a shotgun
umbral fiber
Still, looks to be same punch as reaper, just no sprrad
regal coyote
also for rocket jump
sacred hamlet
nothing like reaper
umbral fiber
Also yes, shotgun side arm
worthy rose
hmm
long ermine
im happy we have a shoot your feet mechanic now
long ermine
... no?
young raptor
@long ermine yes because noone else had that before kappa
umbral fiber
Also WJY PHARAH NO IMMUME TO OWN FIRE
long ermine
wh
sacred hamlet
her dynamite is junk's mine and ult
young raptor
@sacred hamlet wat
long ermine
no..
Junk can leave his mine, throw his mine
Ashe just moves herself close range, and can only shoot from herself
sacred hamlet
seriously her boomstick is really similar to junk's mines
dude have you ever played junk in your life
long ermine
only in the way that it moves herself and others?
sacred hamlet
you never leave your mine
you throw it in the air
blow it up
you get thrown away
umbral fiber
Her dynamite lights things on fire and unless you saw something I didn't, appears to be a shield buster
sacred hamlet
they get blasted away
sacred hamlet
it's just like Junk
sacred hamlet
They even show her using her boomstick to blast herself into the air
just like junk
I like her Boomstick but I really got a junk mine vibe from it
regal coyote
actually jeff also confirmed echo, as in blizzard soon
sacred hamlet
it has the same uses when you think about it
long ermine
he didnt confirm it, he said we need a bit of time before echo
which is implied we'll get it blizzard soon
but its not confirmed
subtle moss
Powercreep
regal coyote
basically confirmed, bit of time befo echo can join
sacred hamlet
Echo looks so boring though
regal coyote
that said, it can mean a long time before that happens
unless an hour later we have a double hero situation, which is UNLIKELY
long ermine
when were most heroes added from intro to ptr?
sacred hamlet
on blizzcon
regal coyote
makes me thinkf of that girl in the spacelords game, where she can teleport between her ghost and herself
dry lily
in the animation is that robot thing at the end going to be a character in the future or something?
dry lily
oh ok nice, ty
subtle moss
Jeff implied probably some point in the future
subtle moss
So between now and the heat death of the universe she might be a new hero
torpid lake
Im praying, Its a double release.
iron plume
it won't be
torpid lake
Please, blizzard do a double release of heroes this year
torpid lake
Please, blizzard do a double release of heroes this year
iron plume
Echo will be 30 or 31
subtle moss
Her name would he PERFECT
iron plume
...
Jeff is clearly hyping her up as a future hero
but not now
double releases straight up won't happen
torpid lake
still..
subtle moss
They missed a really cool opportunity releasing the hero named Echo as an echo
torpid lake
it doesn't make sense.
iron plume
she'll likely get a cinematic where she gets back to OW
torpid lake
March release?
iron plume
thinking there'd be a double release is what doesn't make sense
we'll see mccree by the end of it too
and then hero 30 or 31 is her
torpid lake
because Hero timeline suggests its March, July, November
sacred hamlet
but I don't want her in the game PepeHands
her design is boring and it reminds me of warframe and waframe looks boring
iron plume
good thing we'll get more of her than one small scene then
subtle moss
She just needs a combat mask
sacred hamlet
also holy shit the amount of female characters dude
subtle moss
Her face is horrifically awful
sacred hamlet
where are the hot dudes in this game
subtle moss
The amount of female characters is fine
iron plume
you just got a cinematic about one
subtle moss
It's 1:1
sacred hamlet
yeah but we're probably goingto get
iron plume
2 of the guys are furry bait animal heroes though
iron plume
...what
sacred hamlet
4 Female HUMAN heroes
sacred hamlet
Moira, Brig, Ashe and maybe Echo
iron plume
he does but it still means there's less human males
worthy rose
one more animated short, one less movement on the freaking timeline, WE ARE STILL STUCK ON THE SAME TIME
sacred hamlet
still
iron plume
...are you kidding me
subtle moss
I get annoyed about the "woooo diversity" bullcrap but OW's female hero count is perfect.
iron plume
we are getting a robot joining OW
iron plume
and McCree starting his move too
subtle moss
No it's not, we have 14 of each
worthy rose
is that athena or someone else, or did they change athena's voice? i cant recognize her as it so different from in game
subtle moss
Else
sacred hamlet
Reaper would've shot McCree the moment he saw him
iron plume
that's not athena
she uses Athena's old concept art
but they're separate in-universe
subtle moss
Does Reaper hate McCree a bunch or a bit less than thr rest of OW, like Ana?
iron plume
reaper would be the opponent least likely to shoot mccree
sacred hamlet
McCree's is Reaper's apprentice newbie
so he probably does hate him
learned a lot of stuff from him
sacred hamlet
Reaper clearly dislikes McCree in his current state
iron plume
we didn't see any of her before this cinematic
worthy rose
reaper dislikes everyone
subtle moss
Don't thru have game interactions?