well this was waaay back then
#lore-discussion
regal coyote
by the time in going legit the dup have a much better relationship
i guess travelling together with all the fun stuff they do they enjoy each other of sorts
peak escarp
Hog still thinks Rat is an idiot
regal coyote
yes still idiot
peak escarp
Hog tolerates him
regal coyote
but he sort of take a liking to this idiot\
dire timber
I wouldn't say he dislikes Junkrat
but also he doesn't care much about him
I think more than anything, he's lowkey entertained by him
valid shell
@lean prawn That skin isn't canon.
subtle moss
Yeah, Hog's internal dialogue actually paints him as quite intelligent and observenat. Not in the Mercy or Moira way but in the world-weary way
lean prawn
Hog's a sad character, probably as sad as widowmaker
subtle moss
He's the 70 year old veteran drinking at the bar that's been through two wars and seens ten times as many of his friends die. Obviously not that exactly, but I think that's his 'archetype' at least in terms of intelligence/wisdom.
Not an academic. I'd probably put him about as smart as McCree just as a dart toss, maybe actually a little smarter.
dire timber
he holds sort of a grudge against the world
and seeing Junkrat carry out all kinds of mischief
is an opportunity to act on that grudge, in a way
subtle moss
How do the shimada bros. control the dragons? I think I remember something about tattoos, but Genji doesn't seem to have one.
frank gorge
their "ultimate lines" seem to be more of a command to summon them
from what i can observe, hanzo seems to have more control over his dragons, being able to channel them into an arrow
genji's dragon probably gives him more strength with his sword
while game interactions usually aren't canon, hanzo and genji appear to be different
because they actually say their ultimate lines when casting their ultimates in the cinematics, implying that the line is an incantation
this happens in their appearences promoting heroes of the storm as well. While these definitely aren't canon, they appear to be more of a "what if" scenario, where if you took hanzo from canon and made him fight alextraza.
feral lintel
genji could have a tattoo on some unseen part of his body
frank gorge
likely on the one limb he has left
....or not
i forgot blackwatch genji doesn't have a tattoo
i mean maybe it's true that "only a shimada can control the dragon"
feral lintel
yep, but i think he still has his whole torso
frank gorge
maybe its just something passed down by bloodline
peak escarp
could be on his back, under the plating
frank gorge
hanzo's dragons seem to emerge from his tattoo
peak escarp
or it could be unrelated
feral lintel
that would be interesting, because if genji's dragon constructs are tied to his sword, they can be lost a lot easier than hanzo's
since hanzo would have to lose his arm
frank gorge
there's no real lore explanation for the dragons
they aren't hard light
and they aren't magic
hanzo and genji are just weird
frank gorge
they probably aren't hard light, because they aren't hard
hard light in-lore appears to look like actual constructs
feral lintel
they can still knock people over
frank gorge
yes but they travel through hanzo
appearing to sap his strength
perhaps using a similar technology to moira's antihealing
or maybe japanese legends are real in the OW universe
feral lintel
that would be magic, though
frank gorge
not necessarily
peak escarp
Symmetra's orbs from her gun are hard light
frank gorge
by that logic, so would zarya's
peak escarp
then the dragons must be energy
feral lintel
in his tattoo?
frank gorge
eh
peak escarp
well they aren't magic
frank gorge
i'm unsure about the dragons and how they tie into lore
peak escarp
so they have to be technology of some kind
frank gorge
hanzo refers to them as his spirit dragons
maybe they're the embodiment of the spirit?
peak escarp
that's magic
peak escarp
supernatural = magic
frank gorge
in the same way zenyatta can float or sustain his orbs and similar objects without any thrusters or electromagnets
feral lintel
i'm guessing zen has thrusters/electromagnets, but they're just hidden
peak escarp
who says he doesn't have electromagnets?
frank gorge
wasn't zenyatta seen levitating snowballs in his one comic appearance?
peak escarp
he hovers himself and his orbs with "omnic energy"
frank gorge
reaper canonically throws his shotguns around
it's also explained that he carries extras in his vest
what if he were to run out in-battle?
imagine if this is what causes his downfall in a fight scene
feral lintel
i don't see what this has to do with zen's omnic energy
frank gorge
well, unless michael chu explains what omnic energy is
we can't take this much further, no?
limpid agate
There is no magic in Overwatch
frank gorge
Of course it’s about the Viking tho
Blizz loves torbjorn
The Viking has more lore than Zenyatta
dire timber
huh, looks like Canada got an explicit mention in-game 👀
dire timber
phwwht
I think you'd prefer a hero and/or a map 😄
anyhow, Zenyatta's healing is canon now?
that's surprising
livid fern
I swear I read somewhere when the game first came out that the dragons came from nano-technology in Hanzo’s tattoo. Leading him to be the only one that control it? I can’t find the source though
limpid agate
Thats because there isnt one
frosty shell
Is it possible Genji's dragons come from his sword?
The main drawback to this is that it wouldn't fit with his Blackwatch sword looking different
frosty shell
And also it wouldn't explain how nobody noticed Genji's sword was missing
dire timber
the idea is based on known in-universe tech, and the visuals in the Dragons animated short
frosty shell
Because it must've been a Shimada sword if that's where it came from
dire timber
he could've also made it himself
we know for a fact that he doesn't let anyone else work on his sword
valid shell
@livid fern False.
peak escarp
had
limpid agate
We dont know what the Dragons are or what makes them exist
Its most likely hard light
And the tattoo/sword are both likely sources
valid shell
But Genji doesn't have tattoos.
pearl blade
That's why he/she said sword
dire timber
@inner nexus uh, no, there's nothing to indicate that blood has anything to do with this
what @livid fern suggested is way more probably
inner nexus
But it’s a spirit dragon so like magic and stuff
But I mean if a robot can heal people with spirit you can do anything
valid shell
False.
peak escarp
nothing in Overwatch is magic
sacred hamlet
Torb is a very magical character
Like so magical that he got teleported straight from WoW's Blackrock Mountain
I see no other good explanation to him
valid shell
Stop.
peak escarp
he's got dwarfism
untold tinsel
how’d he get such a hot wife
peak escarp
which is a real thing
untold tinsel
He mad ugly
peak escarp
she must have liked him for something
sacred hamlet
A dwarfism so strong and magical it ripped off Blackrock Mountain's dwarves
And come on Brug I see no reason in not dating Torb
cunning ledge
Serious discussion here please
sacred hamlet
You people need better taste
valid shell
You need to not shitpost outside of #general-discussion
untold tinsel
Lmaoooo
sacred hamlet
Yo I know you like to assert rules when you're obviously not responsible for them
But even then I'm still curious about Torb's weird body shape
Like dwarves are dwarves but he is extra dwarf
untold tinsel
ikr he’s like 4’7 right?
sacred hamlet
not even his size
peak escarp
he's 4'7"
sacred hamlet
he's just so squarey
peak escarp
that's 4 inchas shorter than me
sacred hamlet
damn you people are short
sacred hamlet
Yes
cunning ledge
Nope
cunning ledge
He designed a couple of models of them
untold tinsel
Omg no wonder blizzard goes so hard for his lore
cunning ledge
Didn’t invent them
untold tinsel
he caused the whole thing
sacred hamlet
I know right
Torb is like the protagonist but no really 'cause people have bad taste
cunning ledge
With the ironclad guild he designed the Bastions and Titans
untold tinsel
Wdym people have bad taste
sacred hamlet
Instead you get british lesbian time traveller being the poster girl of Overwatch
cunning ledge
For various non giant world crisis reasons
untold tinsel
He doesn’t embody the optimistic outlook for the future of overwatch’s worldbuilding philosophy
cunning ledge
Torb’s story is more interesting than Tracer’s for sure
sacred hamlet
Yes
untold tinsel
He’s a cynical man
untold tinsel
I’m pretty sure the whole
cunning ledge
Winston would also work as a main character but it might be a bit strange to have the comedy “is a gorilla” character on the box
sacred hamlet
Winston is a very good contender for protagonist
untold tinsel
Omnic plot came after tracer and torb were designed
sacred hamlet
because actually he is the protagonist
cunning ledge
He’s certainly trying to drive the actual plot
untold tinsel
Unlike michael chu
sacred hamlet
and blizzard clearly doesn't care
cunning ledge
Not this shit again
God dammit guys
We had such a valid discussion going there for a second
untold tinsel
Lmaooo
cunning ledge
But no it’s back to the fuck the lead writer circlejerk
sacred hamlet
Sometimes I like to imagine Chu has never actually showed up, but is instead a monkey playing with a laptop
cunning ledge
I’m disappointed in you all
sacred hamlet
Not even smart like Winston
cunning ledge
:(
valid shell
To be fair, these guys are new.
Probably have school off tomorrow because of Halloween.
sacred hamlet
Most irrelevant character in Overwatch is definitely Mei or something right
valid shell
False.
untold tinsel
None of them are irrelevant 😩
cunning ledge
You really gonna do em like that Binge
valid shell
Incorrect again.
sacred hamlet
Brigitte
untold tinsel
Nope
valid shell
Closer.
sacred hamlet
Can't be Reinhardt
untold tinsel
Lucio
valid shell
Brigitte has the potential to be pretty important, being the next generation of Overwatch, but currently she's just an accessory to Reinhardt.
sacred hamlet
Symmetra maybe
untold tinsel
How do brigitte and reinhardt make money
peak escarp
DVa
valid shell
They don't.
valid shell
They're pretty broke in their comic.
sacred hamlet
Mei is definitely the most irrelevant
untold tinsel
??? how do they pay for that currywurst then?
sacred hamlet
She's done nothing so far
untold tinsel
Mei answered the recall
sacred hamlet
Mei did
untold tinsel
Essentials
cunning ledge
Pls
peak escarp
Meh answered the recall, then went to Nepal to investigate abandoned research stations
valid shell
Yes. Cheap rations, not expensive dishes.
sacred hamlet
But that's gross so let's talk about something else
untold tinsel
But they can go to the bar
cunning ledge
Pre
It’s the fight that landed him in jail in the first place
Then he breaks out post recall
untold tinsel
And then he went to a helix prison
valid shell
They're just all in their post-Overwatch outfits because the short was done out of studio and Wolf Smoke fucked up.
untold tinsel
OHHh
peak escarp
cunning ledge
Or, like Moira origins, it’s for character recognition
untold tinsel
She said a lot of people she knew died when he broke out of the helix prison
cunning ledge
What am I forgetting that involved Doomfist killing pharah’s friends
untold tinsel
New voiceline
valid shell
Coworkers =/= friends.
untold tinsel
Well people she knew, deemed “good people” and cared about
Cause she learned a lesson in that comic
That was the point
sacred hamlet
And then 3 pages later she went full bipolar mode and tried to save them instead of focusing the mission
dense ermine
it's always about lessons
untold tinsel
Well what have you written that’s better then
valid shell
I call it character development crammed into, what. An 8 page comic?
Not much to be done.
untold tinsel
Yeah it’s short
untold tinsel
I wasn’t alive during ww2
sacred hamlet
A lot of people weren't born during WW2 and people discuss it
SO
Road and Junk reflecting on the Omnic Crisis, drinking some tea and accepting eachother
Very wholesome :))
dense ermine
was that in one of the comics
valid shell
It's his fanfiction.
dense ermine
ah i see
sacred hamlet
Oh i thought you were talking about Hog's comic
dense ermine
i'm not sure what we're talking about anymore
sacred hamlet
Hey man I'm pretty sure one my fanfics would be better than Bipolar Pharah
Unfortunately I have none 'cause writing fanfics is sad
dense ermine
yeah cause who wouldn't want to see junk rat and hog having sex
sacred hamlet
I never suggested it
untold tinsel
Bipolar?? Where?
sacred hamlet
BUT HEY
untold tinsel
You don’t know what that means do you
dense ermine
yeah but it kind of just comes with fan fics
sacred hamlet
maybe in another reality
Isn't a fanfic basically what the girl that won the Blizz competition did
By the way is that girl already hired
'Cause Chu has probably gone on hiatus since last year
dense ermine
i have no idea
untold tinsel
I’m excited, it must mean something big is coming soon
Michael Chu got married recently maybe that’s why lore was slow this year
Planning a wedding is no joke!!
dense ermine
aren't they supposed to be working on that really big short that's coming out at this years blizcon
dense ermine
oof man that sucks
untold tinsel
There is a short coming though I think
dense ermine
ok but it won't be the super big one that was faked or whatever
peak escarp
probably not
runic scroll
What’s the super big one that was faked?
Was there any kind of fake “leaked footage/images/rumors” or just that there’s gonna be a big short or something
dense ermine
it was supposed to be like all the heroes where going to have to pick to side with talon or overwatch and everyone would have to pick a side and it was supposed to change the lore a lot or whatever
valid shell
Probably some post on 4chan that mouthbreathers circulate.
runic scroll
Yeah that doesn’t sound like something blizz would do
dense ermine
i was super hyped for it as well
runic scroll
I feel like symm is the most likely to work with talon, but not necessarily knowing that it’s talon
More by being manipulated by sanjay or something
Yeah, i feel like hanzo will continue to say no
But who knows
The Australians also don’t seem like the Talon types
Maybe OW actually needs more non-Talon affiliated but serious villains
valid shell
The Junkers wouldn't work with 'suits'.
runic scroll
Junkrat and Hog are a little too comical
dense ermine
yeah i'm not sure they'd fit into talon
peak escarp
Junk and Hog would stay neutral
runic scroll
I kinda want a Shimada high up as a hero, or at least a major character
peak escarp
they probably wouldn't join Overwatch either
dense ermine
also what if widow goes back to normal and actually join overwatch
runic scroll
Someone who’s not of the family itself but of the clan
I feel like that could be a pretty good “not talon yet but maybe” type villain
dense ermine
who would one of the shamadas
runic scroll
What do you mean?
dense ermine
you were talking about how hanzo keeps refusing to join talon then i thought you were talking about how one of the shamadas could possibly join talon or something
limpid agate
@dense ermine Widow going back to normal (which is extremely unlikely to happen) wouldn't join Overwatch. She used to do ballet, not war.
dense ermine
yeah i guess your right
but i still think it would be interesting to see widow getting out of talon's brain washing thing and going back to "normal" life
peak escarp
even if she got away from Talon, she killed people
shed have to face the consequences
dense ermine
ah yes meh the best charecter in all of overwatch
also widow could find a way to disappear... probably
peak escarp
damn autocorrect
frosty shell
yeah
dense ermine
yeah auto correct is both the best and worst feature of any phone
peak escarp
I wish they would release an official timeline
I'm tired of having to correct people on when the omnic crisis ended
dense ermine
yeah it does get annoying when nobody knows what happened when on the time line
so any ideas on who is getting the next animated short
hardy sapphire
hopefully not someone boring
limpid agate
McCree
dense ermine
yeah i want one for lucio
limpid agate
Most likely
Based on the map changes and Blizzcon poster
Two things about McCree point to it being his short
dense ermine
cool sounds interesting
peak escarp
I'm not convinced
hardy sapphire
meh i wouldnt really look forward to a mccree short
peak escarp
being on the poster hasn't meant anything for Blizzcon
limpid agate
It hasnt, its inconsistent
And poster alone, I was saying its probably not McCree
But now that we have poster and map changes, its more likely
peak escarp
and the map changes are too near to Blizzcon - and they're PTR only right now
peak escarp
those changes all came after the short
dense ermine
ok well who would you guys want a short for then
peak escarp
or were live shortly before, in the case of Honor and Glory last year
this map change reminds me more of Numbani
the payload was changed with the reveal of Orisa and meant as a teaser for Doomfist
limpid agate
The changes came for Orisa after the changes happened in the lore
We got the Tweet first
THen the patch second
peak escarp
it's still more like Numbani than any of the ones you mentioned
limpid agate
I thought the Dragons changes happened before the short
The images are dead
But the guy is speculating a Shimada duel on Hanamura short
limpid agate
And I thought Ecopoint was changed from blue to green before Mei's short
But I appear to be mistaken on that
peak escarp
I know the mugs were added after
limpid agate
Same happened for Recall though
Was before the short, so there is "Athena = New Hero?" speculation
Then we got the short and learned she was the announcer.
limpid agate
BETA
dense ermine
the changes to watch point and where else
limpid agate
That was before the game came out
peak escarp
did the beta have PTR? I guess not
dense ermine
never mind then
peak escarp
I'm still skeptical because the changes haven't gone live yet
I don't think they'd have teasers just on PTR
limpid agate
If they are there, they may not be intentional. Or thought it was minor enough that it wouldnt spoil the short
Like the Balderich Emblem
But that was not discovered because that patch's PTR started after Blizzcon
This one started before
peak escarp
The Balderich emblem was live before the short
dense ermine
But overwatch players are very observant
limpid agate
Was it?
peak escarp
I saw it on PS4 during Junkenstein
limpid agate
But how.
peak escarp
when I went to explore the Halloween version of Eichenwalde last year
I mean, during the event
limpid agate
Junkenstein Eichenwalde doesnt have the emblem
peak escarp
then it wasn't the Halloween version
but I remember goofing off on Eichenwalde and seeing the token and asking my friends "was this always here?"
that was about a week before Blizzcon last year
we've also had some map cosmetic changes that haven't led to anything
Anubis, Lijiang
I wish I had taken a screenshot
white cobalt
Huh, so the father of shimada brothers is narrating the short? https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/who-narrates-the-dragons-short/236509/8
white cobalt
I was not expecting someone from the family
peak escarp
why do so many people want Gerard to be a bad guy?
I'm constantly seeing theories that he was a bad/abusive husband, or he was secretly sabotaging OW
so people can justify Widowmaker killing him and make her redeemable
she killed him because Talon wanted him dead
end of story
also, her memory wasn't erased, and conditioning isn't the same as brainwashing
sacred hamlet
Because some people like Widow too much
rocky vapor
Widow has a very interesting story, which is why people trying to say that Gerard was abusive to justify Widow killing him just waters down her character a lot.
rocky vapor
ewwww, no please? Who wants that?
If he somehow came back, her being 'Talon's best sniper' wouldn't apply if he had survivied
peak escarp
same people who think Antonio or Dr. Winston could still be alive
rocky vapor
Dr. Winston's death makes me sad, but I still wouldn't want him to be alive.
peak escarp
they use the "we didn't see him die" excuse
having Harold be alive would invalidate Winston's feelings of loneliness
and mess up his backstory
knotty pagoda
has blizzard mentioned anything about hero 29?
peak escarp
nope
knotty pagoda
thanks
subtle moss
Widow is redeemable regardless and what happened is exactly brainwashing with a slightly different tint of paint.
The end result is the same, her true character was warped by outside forces.
regal coyote
if you ask me i dont want gerard to be a bad guy, i do want him to be a bit flawed hower
Flawed characters are cooler for story telling.
the best way would be him being a great agent, but he is ignoring personal life quite a bit, and may even be a bit of PTSD leading to some Hank Pym action.
Well at least he can be angry to his wife at times, if not outright hank pym her.
(Yes, Antman Hank Pym beat his wife)
that would be a minor flaw to his character as an agent, but certainly a big thing that would easily gett him killed under the situation.
also shows how manipulative talon is, and their extent of data collection and info warfare.
Would make sense for widow too.
iron plume
making gerard at fault would completely ruin widow's story
he may be a bad husband by ignoring her or being too work-crazy or whatever
regal coyote
I mean Gerard should be a loving person at first, but after multiple accidents happening on him, and then the bombings, with many of his friends and agents killed in that, he may be a bit broken. Yet ie whould hide it, so he can keep himself in action instead of going into a bit of rest and destress and therapy
iron plume
but making him abusive would completely destroy the point of widow's backstory and her feelings on him
regal coyote
in this case gerard is the victim too
he is not abusive by default but he is cracking under stress and pressure and ptsd.
but his sense of duty wont let him back off.
it would be a sad situation for all.
remember even as he is interrorgating gabe for his fuck up in venice he knows gabe is doing it for him.
it is a huge stress.
iron plume
even if he's abusive because of stress, being abusive at all changes the entire emotional weight of widow's actions
regal coyote
it does not have to be chris brown type of beating ehr up.
it can be him being angry all the time and rough.
and after widow is back she may be annoyed by him not too attentive to her situation.
iron plume
any type of abuse, even not physical, would make him at fault and the situation different
coldness/distance is fine
regal coyote
there would be argument, and might be a slap or soemthing.
iron plume
abuse would be entirely different
regal coyote
that way it would be a fight that escalated tinto him striking, not serious but something simple like a slap
on the grounds like "there are things greater than you at play here"
those type of things
obvious that would trigger widow's hidden whatever programming.
subtle moss
Like Party is saying, that would completely alter the dynamic of what it seems they've tried to set up.
peak escarp
being a wife beater is not a "minor" flaw
Gerard has never been shown as violent or abusive, and Party is right - to make Gerard abusive would destroy Widow's backstory
wary walrus
It wud
valid shell
It's also cheap as fuck. "Oh, that guy who Talon had assassinated? Don't worry, he Had It Coming™."
smoky delta
Widow was basically a sleeper agent, an action, phrase, or set time would or could trigger her awakening. If he was abusive then why remove widow from the situation? You could have kept her and gotten more agents. In everything Gerald is shown to.br loving and was apparently an amazing person and husband that widow still feels remorse for or at least some shred of guilt for a man she once loved
I highly doubt he was abusive but rather they set a phrase or action that only he did to make her trigger and kill him
valid shell
Considering it was a hard two weeks after her return, it was likely a timed killswitch.
subtle moss
Why would they set the killswitch to something so random? It was either timed or something they sent to Widow.
valid shell
Yeah.
If the command phrase was, like. The place where they had their honeymoon, there's a chance that Gerard would say it surrounded by Overwatch agents and the assassination would be stopped.
regal coyote
well, while voicelines are not totally canon, what it mentions are usually facts
as such it seems widow hints there are flaws on gerard's part also.
so common reasons of flaws would be things like: "him being a snitch", he is mean/abusive, he is sick, as in having mental issues, he is fucking some sidebitch
Now, I believe in 100% loyalty of gerard towards overwatch, and dont see ANY reason not to
I dont think he is of abusive personality, at least not when he is in his right mind.
Obviously him having a sidebitch can be a good reason, or at least he flirts enough for widow to believe so. But dont thinl Blizz would take that path
peak escarp
Widowmaker's only description of him is from an interaction with Ana:
Ana: Gérard was a fool to love someone like you.
Widowmaker: You don't know anything about him.
regal coyote
So that would leave him ahving mental problems and prefers to hide it
peak escarp
this doesn't imply anything negative (or positive)
this just shows that Widowmaker doesn't think Gerard was a fool for loving her
regal coyote
thing is though, Ana probably know quite a bit about gerard
valid shell
People can have flaws without being villainized.
peak escarp
why would she?
Gerard worked more with Blackwatch
he was a close friend of Gabriel
also don't use the term "sidebitch"
Gerard may have had personal flaws, but he was a loving husband and Amelie loved him back
pure kernel
Would it also be that Ana isn't aware of what happened to Widow?
I mean, she only knows that she(Widow) is still alive
peak escarp
also that
peak escarp
🤓
white cobalt
around 12 pm PT right?
peak escarp
11 am PDT
feral lintel
whatever happens, i'm kind of excited either way
wild shadow
Does anyone else notice that Reaper like, despises almost anyone else who he talks to?
feral lintel
he seems to like ana a little bit more than everyone else
pure kernel
I ship it
feral lintel
it would make sense, yeah
dire timber
so, I know I keep asking this, but
we didn't actually have anything lore-related for Halloween besides the new voice lines?
peak escarp
no
valid shell
Nope.
feral lintel
halloween is over, you can stop asking
peak escarp
what were you expecting, Slig?
feral lintel
dire timber
I think a name like The Spectre would roll off the tongue easier
iron plume
the spectre also isn't really the same thing
peak escarp
just The Ghost would have been simpler
valid shell
Will o' the Wisp is perfect for Tracer.
A small European spirit that blinks and vanishes and leads people astray?
That fits Tracer perfectly.
cedar moon
Leads people astray?
valid shell
@cedar moon Correct?
cedar moon
I mean Wdym by that
valid shell
I mean the Will-o'-the-Wisp leads people off paths and gets them lost, and Tracer harasses and distracts enemies by blinking around behind them.
rocky vapor
I'd really like for Tracer to get a Will-o'-the-Wisp skin next year. I mean, several characters already have skins with what we (presume, at least) to be their Junkenstein counterparts.
valid shell
Soldier and Ana still need theirs.
For canon skins, we have: Junkenstein, Monster, Witch, Summoner, Hellsing, Viking, Shieldmaiden, Cultist, Huntress.
And maybe Hanzo's Demon skin is canon.
But Ana still needs an alchemist skin, and Soldier still needs a ??? skin.
Oh and a Reinhardt skin.
feral lintel
i suppose soldier would need an old-timey looking soldier skin
peak escarp
Soldier: 1776
valid shell
We already have a pseudo-Vietnam Soldier skin.
Give us a Civil War Soldier for Junkenstein.
And a Plague Doctor skin for Ana.
feral lintel
https://i.gyazo.com/d9f8423d95d5455b5dfae0053b60b926.png
also, if reinhardt got a skin for junkenstein, he would need to wear armor over this outfit to make him large enough, which would cover most of it up
feral lintel
i guess it could work
valid shell
sacred hamlet
And it clearly did not help her
valid shell
peak escarp
11 am PDT
sharp trench
did reaper die
sacred hamlet
No he's cosplaying as a killer ghost
valid shell
Please don't intentionally misinform people.
sacred hamlet
that conveniently has the scientifc powers to manipulate his
valid shell
@sharp trench We don't know, but the Swiss HQ explosion suggests he had at least a brush with death.
sacred hamlet
body or something to turn into mist
sharp trench
Some idiot thought that reaper died
sacred hamlet
Probably Moira's fault
sharp trench
Probably was
sacred hamlet
Yes
sharp trench
We should get an origin story for Bastion
sharp trench
On his side of the omnic crisis
sacred hamlet
Nah he's just a grumpy dude cosplaying as a killer ghost
valid shell
His side of the Omnic Crisis was being airdropped into Germany and shutting down inside his ruined pod.
Watch Last Bastion, he never even fought.
sacred hamlet
He got that PTSD though
sharp trench
PTSD isnt a joke tho
sacred hamlet
Or maybe he was just programmed to be sensitive to gunfire
valid shell
It's moreso he's got programming that makes him react to threats.
sharp trench
Weren't the bastion bots originally made to protect people
valid shell
Yup.
sacred hamlet
Blame Torb
sharp trench
The bastion we see in the last bastion probably were later versions of the original bot
Since they arent so sensitive to gunfire probably
sacred hamlet
Who
sharp trench
Bastions
sharp trench
Yeah
sacred hamlet
But they are sensitive to gunfire
They're programmed to be sensitive to it
they hear it
they search for the source
they shoot it
Killer robots
That's what the orange boys do in the Last Bastion fight against the Crusaders
And generic army people
timid eagle
For Junkenstein, I always saw Hanzo’s Okami skin to be cannon in that mode.
valid shell
Oh yeah, I forgot Genji.
I'd pitch Oni as his skin, but he actually has a canon outfit.
timid eagle
Which we will probably get next year.
It looked cool, from what we saw in last years comic.
I really want King Reinhardt.
rocky vapor
What's Genji's canon outfit?
peak escarp
his Classic, Blackwatch and Young Genji are all canon
valid shell
peak escarp
oh you meant for Junkenstein
rocky vapor
I always thought that was Hanzo, but I guess I didn't really look close enough.
peak escarp
I don't think we'll get that as a skin
rocky vapor
Probably not, as it's very similar to one of hanzo's skins, i don't remember its name
and plus it's kind of
plain
imo
peak escarp
yeah, that's what I'm thinking
dire timber
huh
a new line between the Viking and the Swordsman
suggests that Hanzo/Genji are still using dragons in this setting, in spite of that unused narrator line
shame, I thought it was going to be switched to wolves
valid shell
Well, dargons do exist in Junkensteinverse.
sacred hamlet
And theoretically in the OW one as well
I still think OW has at least a few drops of magic in it
valid shell
Something something Arthur C. Clarke.
sacred hamlet
He predicted THE FUTURE
and SCIENCE
Just like I'm predicting that the Junkerqueen will have Akimbo Flamethrowers
remind me in 12 hours
valid shell
I'm predicting that Junkertown Queen was chunked the second we started seeing her with a less-detailed jobber design in Hammond's short and sprays.
sacred hamlet
What do you mean by chunked
rocky vapor
I wouldn't mind if Junkerqueen never becomes a hero.
sacred hamlet
who'd mind
lucid vessel
Sexists
sacred hamlet
oh wait
you said never
who wouldn't fucking mind dude
her character design is great
she sounds cool
she's hot
her weaponry will probably be hot
she has potential for very sick skins
And she knows Hammond which is best character after Torb
sacred hamlet
So 100% she will be new Hero
rocky vapor
All of these are opinionated.
sacred hamlet
What
You don't think she's hot and has great potential as a character
⁉ That is most insulting
rocky vapor
All of these are your opinion.
sacred hamlet
I mean, after Maxmillion
Junkerqueen is one of the most hyped characters
So
Probably more but who knows
So, no I'm the only one with these GREAT and ACCURATE opinions
valid shell
Max, Sanjay, and grumble Junkertown Queen are the biggest bets at the moment.
wild shadow
Junkerqueen is fucking hot
wild shadow
my boy
sacred hamlet
This guy knows it
limpid agate
Serious discussion strictly related to the lore.
peak escarp
Junkertown Queen only looks less detailed because she's farther away, or in the case of the spray (which I can't post for some reason), it's a stylized image
I'd say her design has become more detailed
frosty shell
she has blue hair now
sacred hamlet
was her hair ever orange
I remember it being that way in the poster
although it wasn't that colorized
peak escarp
her original appearance was monochrome orange
hair could have been blue and we couldn't see it
hasty surge
How many days more to the next hero reveal?
peak escarp
0.625
limpid agate
@hasty surge ~15 hours
hasty surge
thanks guys
I have a feeling that Blizzard would throw us a curve ball like Moria this year
peak escarp
it's either going to be something everyone is expecting (Junkerqueen), or something completely new
sacred hamlet
Really uncertain about this blizzcon schedule but it better be right
and again I see no reason for anything other than Junkerquee. She's got her own map, her own voice, default look and a hero related to her, released just before her arrival.
100% Queen of Junk, but hey the LIDL Sombra Clone or Maxmillion could always be a possibility
peak escarp
there's 3 Americans
lean prawn
there's also two animals and three robots
lean prawn
i think overwatch is diverse enough to allow three people of the same nationality in the same game
valid shell
Not when entire regions aren't represented.
Of course there's a wealth of Americans, when Blizzard is in Trumpland.
lean prawn
and overwatch doesn't just consider nationalities when it comes to diversity, they also consider walks of life, body types, and disabilities
valid shell
Good.
So Junkerqueen unconfirmed.
Since her walk of life is identical to three other heroes, and her body type seems to be "comic book".
lean prawn
the junker queen is also has such a heavy presence in the lore already
new heroes normally open up different areas of the lore for exploration
pearl blade
I don't think you should write it off so soon but we haven't had anything confirmed yet either way so it could go totally different for all we know
worthy rose
if JQ brings lore about whatever the hell happened in australia, or what's that treasure everyone wants to kill junkrat for
lean prawn
junker queen doesn't like rat and hog and doesn't seem to have any interest in junkrat's treasure
valid shell
Junkertown Queen is completely segregated from the rest of the world in the middle of a wasteland.
What do you mean she has a "heavy presence in lore".
We have no indication anybody but the Junkers even knows she exists.
pearl blade
She has more lore than Zen lmao
worthy rose
it was the main reason why the goons in junkertown were after him in the first place, under her orders to see what he got
should revisit that junkertown comic
valid shell
And Junkrat's barely connected to the world as well.
Junkertown is basically floating in a void.
Junkerqueen brings nothing to the lore.
worthy rose
Lucio, Sym, DVA, Hammond, Orisa have no lore really pertaining to the core story of Overwatch
sanjay connects vishkar to talon
glimmer of hope
valid shell
@worthy rose Correct, and that's a problem.
worthy rose
dont tell me buddy ol pal
tell it to michael chu
that wonderful
ramen eating man
and blizzard
worthy rose
what role does lucio play in sym lore again?
lean prawn
lucio is leading a rebellion that opposes vishkar development within rio
worthy rose
Sym came to brazil
valid shell
He hasn't even met Symmetra canonically.
valid shell
He just opposes the company Symmetra works for.
worthy rose
and took his technology that his father developed for vishkar
there was lucio lore about his dad iirc
yes that
and somehow while doing this became a world renowned DJ
lean prawn
lucio reclaimed his father's work but utilizes hard light for his skates
valid shell
Yup. His kit is half his father's magnum opus, and half stolen Vishkar tech.
worthy rose
Lucio's dad seemingly worked on sound, not sure about the light thing for skates
Bright side
We easily got like 10+ more years of lore
lean prawn
both sides stole technology, so lucio and symmetra can't even use that when they're spitting on each other
worthy rose
Ehhhh
Legally Vishkar probably owns Lucio's dad technology, they stole it through legal means yea
lean prawn
chu's team did a great job on the heroes' stories
moira and doomfist are really the only evil people in their game
everyone else was a victim of circumstance
valid shell
Bottom line is that Junkertown Queen is poison to Overwatch's lore. She'll be the third Australian, the fourth Junker, the third mech hero, she wouldn't come from a new location, or a new faction, or even have a skillset that isn't already represented.
worthy rose
I like Tracer the most honestly. Everyone is a victim and circumstance and it seemingly defines them but not Tracer. She's bright and cheery and only wants to do right because it's right. And I think that's incredibly admirable
valid shell
Sorry, the 3.5th Junker.
worthy rose
I don't think she's a mech
lean prawn
but there isn't even anything left for the junkertown queen to dabble in when it comes to junkertown lore
valid shell
You can't pretend Hammond isn't a partial Junker.
worthy rose
He's from the moon and chilled there to have a good time, tho from the looks of it no one really knows him and stuff
valid shell
If we were going to get Junkertown Queen, we wouldn't have gotten Hammond as he is. He obviously fills the slot of a mech-piloting Scrapyard champion.
lean prawn
you can use hammond to look at the mech battles, the town itself is already in the game, and the two junkers we got at launch did a great job of illustrating the kind of people who live in the town
valid shell
There's no more room for Queenie.
Meanwhile, an evil Omnic is a complete blindside compared to the cinnamon rolls that are our current Omnics.
lean prawn
null sector?
valid shell
Yes they exist.
lean prawn
or maybe a nerfed god ai
valid shell
But I'm talking Max.
worthy rose
there's always room for the Queen, I just personally don't think it should be now. We got 2 core members of OW we know next to nothing about, We got a couple of heroes from the opening trailer of OW, and from a story telling perspective we haven't gotten really anything besides masquerade further pushing the lore
valid shell
And Mei is a climatologist.
worthy rose
his power is the most dastardly of all
valid shell
Explain how she's a combatant.
worthy rose
money
lean prawn
a climatologist with a freeze ray
worthy rose
eh i'm fine with it
valid shell
A gambler with a futuristic thompson submachinegun and a beefcake bodyguard Omnic.
Anybody can be made into playable material.
worthy rose
true
look at brigitte
Blizzard adds characters from either a story telling need or a game play need
it's how we got brig being as she is
limpid agate
Brig was a gameplay choice
lean prawn
brig was more of a gameplay thing than a lore thing
worthy rose
thats what i mean
valid shell
And Max can be a gameplay thing.
limpid agate
Brig was a Paladin
lean prawn
rein needed a helper in game, and he already has a helper in the lore
valid shell
Maximilien has nothing suggesting his skillset atm. He's a blank slate.
worthy rose
we really only needed a counter to genji and tracer cause they just dominated the game too hard
now we're in a weird impasse where the only thing i can see them doing is cleanse of some sort because of the amount of cc
lean prawn
gameplay-based heroes like ana and brigitte come out of a need
valid shell
If Blizzard wants, I don't know. Some kind of barrier-busting soft-support off-tank? Max could do that.
lean prawn
what does overwatch need right now?
sacred hamlet
Junkerqueen
worthy rose
i really dont know, they kinda do everything alright
valid shell
Meta discussion goes in #overwatch
lean prawn
but what would she do?
worthy rose
everything is pretty balanced as it is
bash some heads
if the queen is a tank then i'm a top 500 widow main
limpid agate
Junker Queen is a former mech champion who is shown to weild a weapon that looks similar to Gorehowl.
lean prawn
do they develop kit first, then character second, or kit second and character first?
valid shell
Depends.
worthy rose
Kit
limpid agate
Thats all we know about her gameplay possibility
sacred hamlet
As long as she gets some rivalry with Junk and Road
valid shell
Not entirely true.
valid shell
We needed another core healer with a new mechanic.
lean prawn
also do we know if hammond came before or after the expulsion of junkrat and roadhog?
limpid agate
After
valid shell
Before.
limpid agate
Wait
worthy rose
Hammond came before
valid shell
Junkrat's cheering for him.
lean prawn
i want me some fanboying from jameson fawkes
limpid agate
I thought you said explosion of Junkrat and Roadhog, and assumed you meant the Omnium blowing up (Which was when Junkrat was a kid)
sacred hamlet
Is the figure really Junkrat in Hammond's trailer
limpid agate
My bad
valid shell
Very.
sacred hamlet
What in the fuck has he been doing for all those years
valid shell
lean prawn
building robots and kicking ass
worthy rose
hammond?
valid shell
Second dude from the left.
sacred hamlet
Well he's clearly been keeping his only Mech and ride in check
So he probably hasn't build anything else as major
sacred hamlet
Yeah, but Wilson helped OW
worthy rose
like how the hell do Roadhog and Junkrat travel across the whole damn world when they're wanted criminals
lean prawn
there's no magic in the overwatch lore so they've just been doing whatever the hell they want and hand-waving it as science
sacred hamlet
Meanwhile Hammond has just been adventuring for 13 years
worthy rose
real big glaze over from the team there
formal steppe
how the hell does transcendence work
limpid agate
He hasnt been adventuring for 13 years
sacred hamlet
What has he been doing
limpid agate
He spent many years in JUnkertown
worthy rose
Remember boys
limpid agate
Becoming the champion, then staying as champion
worthy rose
and gals
sacred hamlet
Do we really know that
worthy rose
Gameplay does not equal lore
worthy rose
If it did Dva would still be dying
sacred hamlet
I thought he just won 1 competition and left
lean prawn
he can't amass a fortune in a month
lean prawn
and he has a fanbase
worthy rose
worthy rose
lean prawn
also i'm pretty sure most of zen's kit is just in there for gameplay
limpid agate
Now free to travel and do as he pleases, Hammond is exploring the world and finding new adventures along the way.
Last line in his bio implies he just left Junkertown
worthy rose
i can't imagine travel is easy for him
lean prawn
he wins fights, improves his mech, wins more fights, amasses a fortune, then leaves
sacred hamlet
So
limpid agate
!warn @worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access, final warning.
limpid agate
@worthy rose Sorry I deleted your message by accident.
worthy rose
he's been having a grand old time
lean prawn
hammond landed in junkertown and winston landed in gibraltar
sacred hamlet
also do we know if hammond tried to contact winston
lean prawn
can a rocket scientist explain that to me
worthy rose
Smh
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet He has not been adventuring for 13 years. and we do know he never made contact with Winston
formal steppe
Rem says he just left Junkertown
worthy rose
Well you see
lean prawn
that's like 10k km between the two locations
formal steppe
"so we know he's been adventuring away from Junkertown for 13 years right?"
sacred hamlet
Jew you just said he immediately left
limpid agate
He has been in Junkertown for a long time.
sacred hamlet
Ok
lean prawn
yes
formal steppe
yes
limpid agate
Thats the literal opposite of what I said
lean prawn
over the course of 12 ish years
worthy rose
Gravity and innertia work in a blah blah blah way. Assuming that they entered through the atmosphere at blah blah blah then from trig and with the square root of the ramen that michael chu eats, he'd clearly land in junkertown
sacred hamlet
Yeah but you said two things
valid shell
Hammonds an engineer. If you think there's a problem with him rigging his airtight spaceworthy mech to go underwater, you need to reevalute him.
sacred hamlet
You said he spent a lot of time in Junkertown
worthy rose
Also ur like
limpid agate
I said the last line implies he just left. As in, just recently, he left
limpid agate
Recently
formal steppe
just recently
worthy rose
I also don't think Winston landed in Gibraltor, that's just where the HQ is
Winston's been in OW for about 20+ years or so
lean prawn
he landed in europe, hammond landed in australia
limpid agate
Zarya just visited Mexico
lean prawn
i just want to know how the hell they landed so far apart
limpid agate
Hammond just left Junkertown
sacred hamlet
Yeah but why are you focusing so much on the left part