But hey Mercy and Efi
#lore-discussion
iron plume
yeah it's real life which is why they don't actually make that breakthrough at 25
sacred hamlet
So I buy it
iron plume
but dreaming about it is very common
sacred hamlet
Yes
iron plume
if your point is that mercy is exceptional, yeah, no shit
sacred hamlet
Not sure when Mercy was able to bring that to reality
iron plume
it's overwatch, everyone is in some way
sacred hamlet
Hopefully not when she was 15
iron plume
<
of all the things to complain about being unrealistic
it's a kid wishing they'd make some scientific discovery
sacred hamlet
Hey I still think Hammond is more realistic than Lucio healing people with music
Rats are pretty smart and stuff
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet If you are going to complain about things in the lore not making sense. Try to understand the lore first
iron plume
he doesn't
limpid agate
Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time and causing argument.
Ask questions first
Form opinions second
sacred hamlet
Yeah probably some in-game doesn't mean canon stuff
Nah I was just thinking she actually started working on it when she was 14
But it was "Dreaming"
So I take that back
iron plume
"started working on it" usually means studying the subject beyond school curriculum
limpid agate
You then started ranting about Hopefully not when she was 15 and Lucio healing people with music
Which we both know
iron plume
which I assure you, a lot of kids into science do
limpid agate
Are not true
Mercy was in University when she was 17. She hadnt made any medical breakthrough yet.
And the only canon healing is Mercy's tech
Not Harmony Orbs. Not Inspire. Not Hogdrogen. Not the healing beat. Zenyatta's heals in questioned in game but its a grey area that was said to be explicitly non-canon in the past.
sacred hamlet
Is Lucio really that useless in combat outside of his Wallriding and stolen Vishkar gun then
iron plume
I read a multitome chemistry encyclopedia cover to cover when I was 13
If I had an affectionate family friend they may have said "oh he's working on chemistry breakthrough dreams"
limpid agate
Until we heard about his dad making the Vishkar Sonic tech, he may as well have not existed.
iron plume
now I'm not a fictional supergenius which is why I didn't actually make any breakthrough
but kids with big dreams who try to start doing something about them are absolutely realistic
sacred hamlet
True
It seems off to me that Lucio's father is a scientist working with Vishkar
since he's been born in the slums
iron plume
Lucio's healing and speed are a representation of encouraging his fighters
sacred hamlet
But I guess that's just future Overwatch world stuff
Yeah Lucio helped people with music
But that probably doesn't help in combat
iron plume
so while we don't know his prowess in combat, he was the leader of the movement that commanded people
morale absolutely helps in combat
white cobalt
Why? they're stories about poor people reaching high positions in corporations
sacred hamlet
Yeah, vocal morale
iron plume
not directly but it does
iron plume
keeping high morale is both historically and in modern times a big part of military strategy
you're taking things way too literally
and not every EDM genre is dubstep
sacred hamlet
I've already agreed with you that morale is important
What are you continuing on
What I'm saying is that Music doesn't help in an on going conflict
iron plume
I'm explaining my point
I couldn't give two fifths of a shit if you're personally convinced
sacred hamlet
Whether Lucio is good at encouraging others with his words is up to the Devs
iron plume
and what I'm saying is that he's not literally skating up and going "hey what's up run to the beat guys"
iron plume
"we" thonk
sacred hamlet
My point is that his music is pretty useless in combat
iron plume
christ
sacred hamlet
So let's say, in a cinematic, he could probably only skate around and shoot people with his gun
iron plume
which is why his cinematic wouldn't be a combat centered one
sacred hamlet
and help with morale before charging in of course
iron plume
and would focus on him inspiring people
sacred hamlet
Yes
He can do that
Still useless in combat though
It's just weird that his whole in-game concept would be useless outside of it
But that probably applies to a lot of other characters
regal coyote
@limpid agate do you think Moira have healing properties?
I would say it does
and as per the sketch of proposed design, it also means 76's coke cans and ana's rifle have some healing capacity
though it might be minimal
feral lintel
ana's rifle was made using mercy's research, so i assume it can actually heal
idk if soldier's biotic field exists in the lore
peak escarp
Moira, Ana and Soldier all derive their healing from Mercy's tech
feral lintel
so, soldier's biotic field has been shown in the lore, then?
valid shell
@feral lintel Yes, in the biotic rifle blueprints.
limpid agate
@regal coyote Moira uses Mercys tech, so yeah
Guess we are not getting a teaser
Unless we get a surprise
But today was the last historical date
sacred hamlet
Moira didn't come out with a teaser did she
Sombra's Lumerico Teaser was mostly due to the 4 months ARG so fans wouldn't get too pissy
sacred hamlet
guess we're going completely blind then
regal coyote
nowhere would be offbeat people with minimal clues
like maybe a classical music / fashion type of antagonist hero
peak escarp
there's a first time for everything
worthy rose
hey
limpid agate
@timid nebula Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
timid nebula
peak escarp
😮
limpid agate
It makes more sense to be Sojiro
Given Hanzo's line
"Real life isn't like the stories our father told us" (paraphrasing)
sacred hamlet
did the story forums open today
peak escarp
they've been up for over a week
sacred kite
yo
sacred hamlet
and we've only gotten a post from the devs now
tepid abyss
Didn't orisa have 0 backstory before release I thought?
limpid agate
A Numbani/Doomfist Gauntlet tied Omnic Quadraped that was drawn >5 months minimum before Orisa's release, and long before her design was finalized, was featured in Sombra Origins.
peak escarp
the devs don't post on the forums that often
limpid agate
This was presumeably an OR15
sacred hamlet
Kind of expected a message from the Devs with the release of the new Forums
But alright
peak escarp
there was an intro post
sacred hamlet
I just hope the new Forums weren't made to replace Comics and actual Text with straight facts from Chu
peak escarp
and a survey post asking what everyone's favourite short is
sacred hamlet
what won
peak escarp
Dragons, Infiltration and The Last Bastion are next with 28-29% each
pure kernel
Yeh
sacred hamlet
OH BOY I WONDER WHO'S ON THE BOTTOM
peak escarp
Recall and Hero
Rise and Shine and Shooting Star both rated higher than Recall and Hero
pure kernel
I like Recall well, just the part with Harold
peak escarp
river dagger
What we talking about
pure kernel
Not lore :0
sacred hamlet
I mean hero is pretty shit
peak escarp
Honor and Glory is the big leader
worthy rose
Hey all
sacred hamlet
most players probably haven't watched it
worthy rose
The hanzo ones the best xD
sacred hamlet
But again it does prove
That Shooting Star was received badly
And people brushed off Rise and Shine
Honor and Glory being at the Top is no surprise
pure kernel
Not everyone holds that artistic eye of yours Doc
peak escarp
and I think from a film studies standpoint, it's the best one
peak escarp
it's a masterpiece
pure kernel
Which HnG did pretty well
peak escarp
it is pretty good
pure kernel
Even the manliest men cried
peak escarp
I'd rate Honor and Glory as second
river dagger
I really liked shooting star myself
peak escarp
and Infiltration would be my third pick - it progressed the story the most out of any (except maybe Recall)
peak escarp
his doesn't count as an animated short
pearl blade
Honor and glory is reins
peak escarp
the Doomfist short is an origin story
river dagger
Really. Okay then. I think dooms is one of my favorite origins then. I loved reins short though. Really developed his character.
worthy rose
which ones shooting star
reins was awesome
shocked u guys arent talking about hanzo x gengi i thought that was the best
peak escarp
Shooting Star is DVa's
dawn chasm
hanzo x gengi
limpid agate
Shipposting is shitposting
ebon laurel
That's a funny way to say it
I'll keep that in mind though if I ever wanna post lore stuff in this chat (kinda doubt it, so I'll stop typing after this message)
quasi fern
pure kernel
weebs
feral lintel
infiltration and rise and shine are my faves
hardy sapphire
i just found dragons kind of dull
infiltration was actually interesting lol
and shooting star was just dva fighting omnics smh
timid eagle
Honour and Glory, along with The Last Bastion, are my favourite shorts.
sacred hamlet
good taste
shadow widget
What are the chances Mercy and Genji become canon?
peak escarp
still pretty low
limpid agate
And its still ^
peak escarp
I don't think they'll declare any romantic relationships between heroes
only with NPCs
shadow widget
A person can dream
brazen flare
we should pair all the heros up with ther elogical companions
like brigette and trob
torb
peak escarp
. . . you know Torbjorn is her father, right?
brazen flare
oh right i forgot
i keep thinking of her as uh reinhardts daughter
idk why
i kinda like reinhardt and mercy over genji and mercy
peak escarp
really?
brazen flare
yea idk i think they seem cute
peak escarp
they hardly interact at all
brazen flare
im sure they have lines
Junkrats only love is the junkerqueen and explosions
(and maybe roadhog)
valid shell
Shipping =/= Lore.
Please stop.
Also, wtf suggests that Junkrat likes the Queen.
He blew up her summer home and robbed her.
brazen flare
That makes it better
valid shell
Stop.
peak escarp
none of them do
valid shell
@sacred hamlet Who?
sacred hamlet
This Remvia guy
valid shell
What?
sacred hamlet
I'm not gonna take part in it since shipping's dumb
valid shell
Jewvia's vehemently against shipping.
valid shell
I do.
sacred hamlet
Jewvia's asleep and one Mod just came here and talked about shipping
So I'm assuming it's fine for now
valid shell
Remvia is Jewvia, homie.
sacred hamlet
It's a fucking doppelganger
valid shell
Stop.
peak escarp
we usually do for Halloween
valid shell
Anyways: Sans Tracer, Widowmaker, Ana, or Torb, shipping is not a valid topic here.
sacred hamlet
Wait a second
If the doppelganger that we know is Jewvia is so against shipping
Then why did he comment on Genji x Mercy
HMM
Not that it matters to me of course I don't support shipping
sacred hamlet
I'd rather talk about Lucio having a father that works at Vishark even though he grew in the slums and none of that makes any fucking sense
But still Jewvia did comment on it so for now I believe it is allowed
peak escarp
you be sure to tell him that next time he's on
and why is Lucio's dad working for Vishkar so unbelievable?
Vishkar doesn't pay that well
sacred hamlet
I'm not the one who dedicated two sentences to shipping in this channel
Nah what I'm saying is that it's weird that a guy from the slums could've created something so advanced
To the point of Vishark taking it themselves
peak escarp
plenty of brilliant people live in poverty
sacred hamlet
I'm not being judgmental here or considering prejudice
I know
People are born gifted
peak escarp
his father made the tech while he was employed by Vishkar
they didn't just come and take it
peak escarp
and since he made it as a Vishkar employee, it was legally the property of Vishkar
sacred hamlet
Vishkar yoinked it
peak escarp
they owned the patent
peak escarp
so does Lucio
valid shell
Good cause =/= legal.
peak escarp
Lucio hates Vishkar for two reasons - for oppressing his community, and exploiting his father
valid shell
Lucio's still a criminal, even if he's a "good guy".
sacred hamlet
Yes
But criminal doesn't always mean villain
I'd say McCree is more of the outlaw villainy type
even though he eventually left that past behind
peak escarp
yes
timid eagle
He started out as a punk, but you’re right that he eventually transitioned into an outlaw.
I’m always curious to see McCree’s life before he joined the Deadlock Gang, when he joined, and when Gabe caught him.
We got good coverage during his Blackwatch days and when he became a wanted vigilante.
peak escarp
yep
valid shell
?
sacred hamlet
Even Hammond would kill McCree for that green
peak escarp
they could try
valid shell
What makes you think he's a moral paragon?
sacred hamlet
Wait wait wait
How do we know Warriors in the Junkertown Arena get killed
That's new to me
timid eagle
Orisa is tempted to capture McCree, so that she can use the money to replenish the grant money Effie used.
sacred hamlet
Was Orisa that expensive
timid eagle
Quite.
sacred hamlet
And it's not like they'd put a kid in debt right
She did show up in a magazine
and news
and she's got banners and shit
Who would do such a thing to a child
timid eagle
She won the grant money.
peak escarp
she paid for Orisa's parts with a grant
valid shell
@sacred hamlet https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/20580087
sacred hamlet
Wow it's Overwatch's website
Very useful
So by grant you mean her work was funded
Got it
timid eagle
Yep.
sacred hamlet
But if her work was funded and she doesn't own them anything
Why would she need the money
timid eagle
Even when she used the parts of the OR-15 models as a base for Orisa, there’s also the fact she had to program an adaptable AI for her.
As for the money, Orisa wants to help.
peak escarp
pretty much
valid shell
We haven't seen Orisa canonically in action, but a unit of her would be more effective than one.
peak escarp
what about them?
valid shell
@tardy sandal ?
tardy sandal
nvm
valid shell
This is probably moreso a gameplay abstraction, but I like how Hammond being a much smaller and weaker creature is represented in-game by his body being all headshot hitbox.
chilly peak
Can we consider some sprays as canon? For example Rein and Pharah fishing.
There are twin sprays of Orisa and Doomfist. I think they say what comes in the future
iron plume
some of them represent canon, but that's because we know of those events from other sources
we can't assume it about things that are only in sprays, like the fishing thing
chilly peak
Yea, as Blizz once said, those pieces of lore are for our imagination and we can create stories by ourselves.
rain moss
i saw some fanart of pre-cyborg genji and he was pretty cute
but young genji is not great yeah
raw glen
Lol
I'm liking playing as him more and more
That soldier rocketing himself was p funny
hasty surge
Is it the 5th of Nov the date we are waiting for?
chilly peak
Probably ptr patch with new hero
ebon laurel
The fishing thing isn't only in sprays though, pharah and reinhardt have a voice line interaction about fishing
iron plume
interactions are equally grey canon
it's likely that this happened at some point though
sharp trench
we need a pharah short
sharp trench
i wonder what it would be like
maiden ginkgo
i would hope ana is in it
sharp trench
yes, for sure ana would be in it
maiden ginkgo
but it looks like we will get mccree instead
naive bolt
Skeleton balderich
cunning ledge
You can already play as Balderich, it’s just a skin
Pharah and Ana short could happen because of the Anubis changes all those months ago I guess
chilly peak
I think Ana/Pharah short will be connected to this picture
maybe people are doing bad because of Hakim's mob
regal coyote
we need echo warrior
quartz basin
yeet
cunning ledge
@chilly peak I’m pretty sure that image is supposed to be from decades before the present, possibly connected to the crisis or a natural disaster
Maybe even some biblical style plague
chilly peak
it's from Winston's animation "Are You With Us?" and he shows us what's going on around the world and why we need Overwatch again
frosty shell
We don't know if the scrapyard fights are to the death
In a post-apocalyptic society, a lot of able-bodied people getting killed might be a drawback
Even in real life, I'm pretty sure most gladiators survived
Apparently the chance a gladiator died in a single fight was 10-20%
worthy rose
lolol
iron plume
thank you for the contribution
kindred socket
When u have 65 accounts on this channel😂😂🖕🏻
Its almost like smurfing and you guys are the Golds😂💀💀
valid shell
@kindred socket Shitposting will result in loss of access.
kindred socket
I already got banned for mo reason bc of a power hungry admin
valid shell
Doesn't sound like no reason.
Stop shitposting in the wrong channels and you won't get banned.
cedar moon
Hopefully we get a hero and maybe a short origin cinematic at blizzcon
peak escarp
every new hero gets an origin story
and every Blizzcon since release has had an animated short
cedar moon
I said hopefully because shooting star took so long
peak escarp
it took the same amount of time as any other short
regal coyote
i think they mean it has been such a long wait before we get shooting star
I dont think it is production time though, it is just the cinematic teams getting prepccupied in something else
peak escarp
or they're releasing shorts on a schedule
we only get animated shorts at Gamesom and Blizzcon
regal coyote
well, tbh jeff/chu did promise more lore stuff, and we did not get much out of anything each year
i mean between cinematics, comics, and even atlas news.
hell it wont cost them much to make an atlas news article really
regal coyote
yes
i understand cinematics cost $$$, but there is no excuse not pumping things like simple atlas news.
that takes like an afternoon to write, and some short time to att a picture or two
sacred hamlet
Cinematics are probably not very valuable to them considering Rise and Shine is a thing
regal coyote
wat you mean?
sacred hamlet
We got Rise and Shine featuring boring Mei instead of a cinematic featuring LUCIO
and Symmetra
So yeah, very disappointing
peak escarp
what if we get a Lucio short and it's boring?
regal coyote
actually rise and shine was pretty much sure planned for the antartic base release
but for some reason delayed
sacred hamlet
'Cause they cancelled Lucio's Cinematic for it
Fucking sad man
Seriously we really need that Lucio cinematic
Thing has been teased since the start of 2017
peak escarp
there was a Lucio short teased?
sacred hamlet
This whole D.Va and Mei getting their own underwhelming cinematics instead of the Lucio boy is just a huge slap in the face
Yes
Back in February 2017 I think
peak escarp
this is the first I've heard of it
severe oxide
I just saw there's new zenyatta lore
voice interaction with mercy confirms his healing ability is in fact canon
yaaay
feral lintel
i liked mei's short
peak escarp
I did too
sacred hamlet
I didn't
peak escarp
Champ is just salty
sacred hamlet
Wow
I'm sorry if Blizzard decided to make a boring cinematic about a boring girl doing boring things in a boring setting
I still want my Lucio representation
peak escarp
the poll had Rise and Shine 6th out of 9
that means there were 3 shorts people liked less
shut talon
Hero was lame lmao
shut talon
Recall wasn’t interesting
peak escarp
I thought they were all interesting
sacred hamlet
I see it as a great introduction to Overwatch's world
Recall still gets me hyped for OW
even though they don't even care about Lore anymore
shut talon
Comparatively I mean my apologies
shut talon
Honor and Glory by far hands down my guys 😉
sacred hamlet
But I still see it as one of the best
feral lintel
hero seems pretty random in retrospect
shut talon
Yeah I see your POV
Wasn’t hero the first we heard about the Los Muertos group tho,
?*
sacred hamlet
Yes
actually no I think Dorado already existed
so there were hints about the Los Muertos already
shut talon
Good point
Why was the Los Muertos group smuggling weapons anyway? What’s their motive and why are they so... underwhelming..?
peak escarp
the only thing we know they did was instigate the riots when the Dorado power plant came on line
regal coyote
well, it is kinda necessary for a local gang to have firepower
also LM seem to basically rule over some areas from the maps we know
basically buy out cops and what not and have city on their own
so yeah i can imagine there are fights between LM and some other gangs elsewhere
and fights... it means you need to negotiate with some firepower
runic scroll
limpid agate
Unfortunately, we likely will never see a named member from the gang
shut talon
Yeah Sombra cut affiliation with LM and it seems like blizzard are focusing more on the future of OW after the banning of all OW activity. 
sacred hamlet
That happened 2 years ago and nothing has happened yet.
SO WHO KNOWS.
Maybe we get advancing lore through McCree shooting bad guys in the new cinematic.
limpid agate
Weve had some things happen
Mei answered, which was news because we didnt know she got it in the first place
Rein answered, which was more of the same and expected, but this led into Brig's release/acceptance.
Thats about it since launch, that ties into Recall
shut talon
“Acceptance” Brig is op op
limpid agate
What
sacred hamlet
Those are still 2 things that happened in 2 years
Which is really depressing
And we have yet to see anything out of the conclusion to Infiltration
sacred hamlet
(Searching does not count)
sacred hamlet
But it had such a bad conclusion to it I wanted to cry
limpid agate
The D.Va short was fine. I didnt like it, but it was good world building and character development
shut talon
^
sacred hamlet
I still find the character development weak
sacred hamlet
Didn't we already know about the MEKA squad
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
Posters everywhere and shit
shut talon
MEKA squad was not really talked about, and nothing new was added
sacred hamlet
The posters in Hanamura
shut talon
^
sacred hamlet
I thought those were part of Meka
shut talon
Really?
limpid agate
Its a video game arcade with a big poster about the video game champion coming to town
sacred hamlet
Always thought those were MEKA but if that's not the case
shut talon
We knew about the MEKA squad from D.vas character story. She was a part of gamers that were recruited
Which we have known about for quite some time, no?
sacred hamlet
limpid agate
Seeing that they all had unique mechs, knowing their names, their faces, and some snippets of background is all new
shut talon
Right, but did we get much more on them in the short?
sacred hamlet
Are these posters for videogames then
limpid agate
The left looks like a game called Hunter X, but it could be an album too
Right is a poster that just says Power Girl (? cant see, gun in way), is there a release date behind the gun?
limpid agate
sacred hamlet
Nevermind there isn't
limpid agate
Power Gal*
limpid agate
The right poster just says "Music!"
sacred hamlet
How do you know that
limpid agate
Because I know 音楽 is Japanese for Music
sacred hamlet
Wow weeb power
limpid agate
Wow language studies power.
sacred hamlet
You're saying you study Japanese
limpid agate
And Russian.
sacred hamlet
And you are
That was a question by the way
I can't find my question mark in this keyboard
sacred hamlet
Already tried that
limpid agate
There was no MEKA branding, and even the D.Va poster is just about her doing a world tour
sacred hamlet
I'm dumb but not that dumb
Well, it had the same style so I just assumed it
Shit was released 3 years ago and no one questioned it so I always saw MEKA
Good thing Mods are asleep Kapp
limpid agate
@void tree Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
Its not sarcasm
MEKA is part of the Korean military
8 Bit Hero is a Japanese arcade with no mention of MEKA
sacred hamlet
So posters girls not MEKA
limpid agate
Correct.
sacred hamlet
That's a two year thought trashed
But yeah about the Infiltration thing
I hope they ignore Searching's existence and redo the whole thing
Because turning Sombra into a little bitch that has her name revealed out of nowhere was pretty awkward
Definitely the right way to ruin a good character that was actually moving the plot forward for once
peak escarp
we don't have enough lore to think about ignoring any of it
sacred hamlet
I mean, we can keep it for now
But I wouldn't mind burning it some time later after Sombra gets another Comic
sacred hamlet
Yikes that is not a good name for an anonymous international hacker
peak escarp
good thing she doesn't use that name then
sacred hamlet
Who
limpid agate
Do they sound like international hackers?
sacred hamlet
No, they sound like average people
limpid agate
Kevin Poulsen and Gary McKinnon are infamous hackers.
Linus Torvald isn't. He's just a wizard that made Linux and Git.
sacred hamlet
Sound like average names to me
WHICH IS WEIRD
'Cause you have names like Gabriel Reyes
That's fucking hot
Torbjorn Lindholm
He's Bear and Thor
Reinhardt Willhem
That's fucking badass
Lena Oxton and Hana Song sound like shit from science fiction to me
Plenty of cool names out there
And then one of if not the most dangerous hacker in the world
And she sounds like a Secretary girl
Now that's pretty generic
sacred hamlet
Well Overwatch clearly didn't use those
Most heroes in OW have pretty cool names
I didn't even know Reinhardt was a name until I searched it up
limpid agate
Most heroes in OW have normal names you think sound cool because they're foreign.
pastel marsh
Jack. Gabe... Jesse. Sound pretty average. Lol
pastel marsh
I'
limpid agate
The devs just knew a guy named Torbjorn and said that was cool
pastel marsh
Will call him what I please.
limpid agate
His friends are both alive
peak escarp
his friends all faked dead
pastel marsh
I work with someone last named Reyes. >_>
peak escarp
except McCree
peak escarp
I have a friend with the last name Lindholm
sacred hamlet
Very cool for him
peak escarp
her
sacred hamlet
I wish I had a cool name but mine is worse than Lucio's
limpid agate
Its amusing that you think Hana's name is plain
Because its one of the few that actually have some symbolism in it
She is literally number 1.
Hana is Korean for 1
peak escarp
sacred hamlet
"Lena Oxton and Hana Song sound like shit from science fiction to me"
limpid agate
Hana is also an incredibly common name
sacred hamlet
That's what I said
limpid agate
Why is Anya on that list?
Oh Oasis
This site is thorough, damn
But it looks like it only got so far
Or... Inconsistently far?
No Moira/Hammond
But it has Emre/Ingrid
sacred hamlet
Is Hammond a name
limpid agate
Oh shit, that kid had a name?
sacred hamlet
By the way who's Enre
peak escarp
Moira is on there
limpid agate
Huh, must have missed it
@sacred hamlet Emre Sarioglu was a member of Overwatch 23 years ago
He was deployed to Operation White Dome
His role was Private First Class
peak escarp
believed to be Turkish since the mission was in Turkey and his name is of Turkish origin
sacred hamlet
Oh the Tomahawk guy from the picture that was thought to be hero 28 but then 4Gitte showed up
sacred hamlet
People think Emre is the guy from the picture in Ana's story
Since there's only him and this one girl that are all pretty separated from eachother
sacred hamlet
this kid over here
Yeah but they're literally the only 2 unknown characters in the group picture
they both have unique designs and clearly highlighted
peak escarp
we only know that he isn't Liao
sacred hamlet
Then we should assume he's Emre then
royal spear
Hi
sacred hamlet
He seems pretty close to the main OW crew
limpid agate
You can speculate it, but not assume
royal spear
Does anyone know what day and time is the new hero?
sacred hamlet
november the second
royal spear
Oh thx
limpid agate
@royal spear Friday
sacred hamlet
And my senses tell me it'll be the Junkerqueen with a huge flamethrower 'cause that just feels right
peak escarp
Friday 11am PDT
royal spear
I think it'll be either Maximilian or sanjay
Since both sit next to doomfost
And also because we haven't gotten a talon character in a while
visual slate
Moira, doom Fist,
peak escarp
we haven't gotten an Overwatch character since Ana
visual slate
some of the most recent ones
hardy sapphire
torb already have a flamethrower tho
limpid agate
@peak escarp Moira
sacred hamlet
none are from OW
peak escarp
oh right
visual slate
Moira is Ex-OW
limpid agate
And Brig is present day OW
peak escarp
she was Blackwatch though, not proper OW
visual slate
Blackwatch is part of OW
hardy sapphire
what relevance did brigitte have with overwatch though other than reins squire
limpid agate
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Rein, and Brig.
royal spear
Hammond I'd say is slightly evil
sacred hamlet
wait
royal spear
Mercy
sacred hamlet
is Brig really in OW
limpid agate
Arguably Genji, Torb and Bastion are also part of new OW
royal spear
Yes
visual slate
MErcy is not comfirmed as part of New OW
royal spear
Mercy is too right?
sacred hamlet
oh nevermind brigitte goes whenever rein goes
peak escarp
Mercy hasn't given an answer yet
hardy sapphire
vietnam flashbacks
peak escarp
neither has McCree
limpid agate
Mercy didn't answer, but voicelines indicate probably not.
And Hammond is not evil.
royal spear
I think pharah might join in the future
peak escarp
Pharah will join if she gets the chance
visual slate
Voicelines are not solid cannon is the trick
peak escarp
the problem is getting the chance
hardy sapphire
ya its hinted in her interactions
sacred hamlet
I believe they are
limpid agate
Voicelines represent canon
peak escarp
since right now they're operating illegally
visual slate
nonono, Voicelines Reflect the Canon, but arew not cannon themselves, since you have interactions that have never "happened" in the story
sacred hamlet
Hasn't Torb responded to OW yet
peak escarp
the voicelines represent canon, but are not word-for-word true
visual slate
Torb is off wandering with Bastion I though
royal spear
What's torb relationship with bastion
limpid agate
nonono, Voicelines Reflect the Canon, but arew not cannon themselves, since you have interactions that have never "happened" in the story(edited)
Correct.
ANd Mercy's line is
peak escarp
Torb took Bastion in to protect it from being destroyed
limpid agate
She disapproves of Overwatch
royal spear
Ohh
limpid agate
Or rather, she thinks its best that Overwatch stays shut down
visual slate
There is a comic where Toreb protected bastion when a Town found him after BAstion woke up
limpid agate
@royal spear Read Binary.
visual slate
and they just wander off into the woods at the end
sacred hamlet
and Torb would accept the recall
limpid agate
visual slate
Thats the last seen of Torb or Bastion
peak escarp
it's hinted that Torbjorn took Bastion to Overwatch
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet Thats not from the comic
That's from the Blizzardworld trailer, and its just speculation based on a dubiously canon video.
sacred hamlet
What's not from the comic
limpid agate
Torb accepting Recall
hardy sapphire
is it confirmed we're getting a hero from blizzcon
sacred hamlet
He hasn't
limpid agate
Of course @hardy sapphire
sacred hamlet
I'm saying he would
hardy sapphire
ok
peak escarp
limpid agate
They made a dev update specifically to tell us we are not getting a map announcement like we do every year.
limpid agate
We can infer that the hero announcement is a lock
peak escarp
if we weren't getting a hero/short they would have mentioned it
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet No that's not why
sacred hamlet
Gamemode
limpid agate
We are still getting the January map
They just are not announcing it 2 months in advance
They'll announce it in December
peak escarp
the Blizzcon map always gets stuck on the PTR for way too long
sacred hamlet
Guess that's okay then
peak escarp
Blizzard World was on the PTR for over 60 days
limpid agate
They said it was so the hype for the map doesnt die out before its even playable.
Because it takes too long between blizzcon and map release
Also probably why they released Rialto a month early
But thats a guess on my end
peak escarp
they probably released Rialto early because they had already showed it off in Retribution
people were hyped for it already
and they had the HLC rework coming up
sacred hamlet
And it's probably one of the worst maps in the game but hey that's OW discussion stuff
peak escarp
Rialto's release was the only deviation from the release schedule they've followed for the last 2.5 years
sacred hamlet
Holy shit I hate Busan so much
It's just hanamura 2.0
really think we need more maps like Junkertown and Gibraltar
hardy sapphire
really? i thought busan looked so nice and each of the settings were so diverse
but thats just opinons so
sacred hamlet
Still looks like Hanamura 2.0 for me
limpid agate
Busan and Hanamura are distinct.
The down town parts of both are very different
Meka Base/Dojo are incomparable
And even the temples are unique to the traditional styles
Looks very Korean.
hardy sapphire
mhm
limpid agate
While here is a very Japanese styled one.
They look no more similar than part B of Hollywood/Route 66.
hardy sapphire
does mei have any association with lijiang tower?
sacred hamlet
She's Chinese and Lijiang tower is from China so maybe
peak escarp
that's the only thing they have in common
Lijiang Tower has a stronger connection to Winston and Hammond
limpid agate
Mei is from Xi'an
That's almost the opposite side of China
May as well be the opposite side of what's actually populated
hardy sapphire
i was just wondering bc most of the maps have connections with the characters
sacred hamlet
well she is from china
limpid agate
The two arent even in adjacent provinces
peak escarp
several don't connect to any hero
limpid agate
If you want a Mei map, you have Ecopoint
peak escarp
Ilios, Hollywood
limpid agate
Reaper is from LA, and he has no ties to Hollywood, which is also in LA
sacred hamlet
which is not china, but she was iced there so maybe
peak escarp
Petra
limpid agate
All of the digsites are currently unrelated to heroes
Hopefuly Hamid changes that next year.
sacred hamlet
Who's Hamid
limpid agate
An archeologist from Oasis working in Petra.
He may have ties to Ilios and Ayutthaya as well
limpid agate
The entire countries of Greece, Italy, Thailand, Iraq, and Jordan all have maps and no heroes tied to their maps. Rialto can be a Talon map overall, but that's it.
Oh, and Oasis is a Moira map
hardy sapphire
iraq has a map?
limpid agate
Oasis
peak escarp
yep
when you load into Oasis, it shows the Iraq flag
Canada should get an honorable mention of countries with icons but no hero or map
we have half a hero 😛
hardy sapphire
canada got mentioned in one of pharahs new interactions
timid eagle
Mei has a voice line when she spawns on Lijiang, she mentions that “It feels good to be home.”
Makes me wonder if she moved there for university.
It’s also possible that she did work with Lucheng Interstellar with developing their cryo-systems for space travel, so there’s that.
sacred hamlet
I knew it
Mei China
China Mei
Country Person Person Country
Completely 100% related
Also I don't see how freezing yourself can help with space travel
peak escarp
think of it like fast travel
you've got a 2 month journey to Mars? it'll feel like 2 minutes if you freeze yourself
but Mei wasn't involved in making the cryochambers, so I doubt that was it
Opara and Torres were the cryonics experts on the team
the change on Numbani, when the Doomfist Gauntlet went missing
was that before or after Orisa was released?
hmmm
peak escarp
the payload was changed with the March 21 2017 patch
same patch that Orisa was added
so it was a Doomfist tease, not an Orisa tease
chilly peak
airport got destroyed and gauntlet went missing on February 26th or 25th
yup, on PTR
peak escarp
I don't count PTR
chilly peak
You can, but it doesn't change the fact that it was part of Orisa's teasing. It happened between Atlas News info and Efi's blueprints
Of course it was teaser for Doomfist, but indirect
peak escarp
it was more a teaser for Doomfist than Orisa
chilly peak
Lore wise yes I agree, but technically it served as an Orisa's introduction
Strong enemy so we need strong protector
timid eagle
That’s confusing, then. If Mei’s profession is that of a Climatologist, then how was she capable of building her gear?
peak escarp
she's clever?
maybe she picked up a bit of engineering knowledge on the base from one of her co-workers
timid eagle
You have to have a basic engineering knowledge to create a portable device that can produce artificial ice.
And, last time I’ve checked, a climatologist doesn’t do that.
peak escarp
rule of cool
timid eagle
But wouldn’t it make more sense for Mei to be a cryonics expert?
timid eagle
It would be so easy to add that to her bio.
Because predicting the weather doesn’t equal being an engineer.
Also, didn’t she built Snowball?
fluid yarrow
She doesn’t only “predict the weather” it’s so much more complicated. Watch the Mei animated short! That will make you understand
wild shadow
Random question: Who does Every in think is stronger physically, Zarya or Roadhog? I've seen a few debates on Zar and Rein before, but I'm interested on what everyone thinks about matching up these two.
mellow forum
Just cause Hog is fat doesn't make him stronger than Zarya who's trained her whole life
wild shadow
Hog may be fat, but he also must pack some considerable muscle under there too. If I recall correctly, the origin story (the moment in crime one) shows him litterally ripping the roof off of an ice cream truck with his hook.
iron plume
hog isn't just fat, he's pretty damn strong in his own right
I don't know about a comparison, it doesn't matter that much
wild shadow
I personally think everyone overestimates Zarya a bit in terms of pure physical strength tbh. In one of the vocelines Rein even says he beat her in arm wrestling too I believe.
mellow forum
I mean she's lifted like 1100 lbs which is more than the world's strongest man
so I think it's safe to say she's stronger or at least matches hog and rein
iron plume
realistically "strength" is not a universal statistic
she'd likely beat them in weightlifting because she's more adept to it
wild shadow
^ there's a difference between trained strength and innate, brute strength
iron plume
Hog would have her on pulling shit though
wild shadow
If they got into a fist fight I'd put money on Hog.
iron plume
he almost definitely has more endurance so yes
ebon laurel
I personally think everyone overestimates Zarya a bit in terms of pure physical strength tbh. In one of the vocelines Rein even says he beat her in arm wrestling too I believe.
Yeah but she said she went easy on him
wild shadow
She said. It's not really a fact, just figured I'd bring it up.
ebon laurel
Fair enough
regal coyote
i would say in terms of sporting event zarya would beat most of the cast.
She can weight lift 512 right? probably the 2nd best record possible amongst the playable crew.
Then again the winner is always Wisnton and he aint human
wild shadow
Strength outside of humans only is probably a tie in between Orisa and Winston. Both for obvious as hell reasons.
regal coyote
yes
orissa can cheat with the grav generator also
but both not a good fair indication
i mean winston have the strength of plot armor in rage mode making it even stronger on strength.
technically if anything of the rumor is true doomfist would be up there too, in term of cyborg os sorts
wild shadow
If we're talking about power as in accounting for all of the abilities/powers, reaper also has to be up there.
feral lintel
considering he keeps losing fights, i doubt it
though, he mostly loses only because he feels the need to stop and gloat instead of just outright killing his enemies when they're down
iron plume
in other words he loses because he's the villain
feral lintel
it's hard to take his character seriously when he's so cartoonishly evil, lol
wild shadow
He loses because he's the villain, and he has the traditional villain habit of stopping to taunt when he's actually about to get something done.
iron plume
and because the good guys have plot armor
wild shadow
Pretty much
limpid agate
It's not just that
He loses to show that the good guys are just that strong
Here is an unstoppable death
And we see him lose to Winston/Soldier/trciked by Sombra
regal coyote
in a spelling bee contest though
I actually wonder how much brain power is still in hog. It seems he is actually quite smart still, and rads does nto affact much of his brain
sacred hamlet
Junkrat and Roadhog aren't dumb
Junkrat clearly still has a
MASSIVE
Vocabulary under his sleeve
regal coyote
well, but junkrat is clearly as sane as any regular in an unbirthday tea party with alice
sacred hamlet
nah dude he's just charismatic
laughing does good with the ladies
although he could fix his hunchback
pure kernel
Hunchbacks also do good with the ladies wdym
feral lintel
his one true love is his bombs
sacred hamlet
Makes me wonder where he gets his bombs
He's clearly unable to make them
Unless he's a
GENIUS
peak escarp
he's got a workbench in the building outside Roadhog's house on Junkertown
so he does make his own grenades
long ermine
or hes just really into pyrotechncis
limpid agate
If he was born in different conditions, he probably would have been an accomplished engineer
Instead he makes bombs and gadgets out of actual garbage
regal coyote
i think it is also an obsession
cause if he likes machine more he can probablly be like Bruce and build murderbots
limpid agate
That's basically Junkenstein
regal coyote
sacred hamlet
A tall, ripped and most likely handsome genius to be exact.
Jamison Fawkes also has a nice ring to it.
regal coyote
unlikely too ripped, not his stye
still nutty af. probably like a taller junkenstein with better posture, and cleaner hair
maybe he get to keep more limbs around. or the flip sice he goes into mroe cyborg like
subtle moss
My interpretation is that Hog is actually quite intelligent
sure, no Moira or Mercy or whatever but as far as 'regular everyday smarts go' he's been through a lot and has the experience to back it up.
He's quiet, not dumb.
errant void
That sounds like something I've heard before, that he just goes along with Junkrats plans
I cant think of how to word that better, but I agree lol
limpid agate
He tolerates Junkrat
errant void
Also, I think it's fair to say Junkrat is a pyromaniac of sorts. In his short, I think it's safe to say he... Liked.... The smell of fire as he lit the fuse. Whether that was before the nuclear meltdown or not, I don't think that's important, but he loves explosions
And unless there is a specific word for someone fascinated with bombs or explosions, pyromaniac will work
feral lintel
he tolerates junkrat because junk is paying him
errant void
Duh, you right, that's what it is. It's been a long day lol
limpid agate
Not just that
His philosophy is more or less, Junkrat existing will make the world suffer and notice that Australia is a shithole.
"World deserves him"