But that's just me.
#lore-discussion
timid eagle
sacred hamlet
Not just you
It's pretty obvious they won't have something that important regarding Lore
runic scroll
I just hope the lucio short, whenever it may be released, doesn’t just reiterate what we already know about him
Watch it just be like him being nice to village kids and giving them skates
Play some music at a venue and meet someone or have something happen
Then he just reaffirms his animosity towards vishkar
Does something vague and maybe run into sanjay or symmetra but nothing specific
And people will try to pry at cryptic clues that just turn out to be nothing
skycode
timid eagle
Or it could be a McCree short that has him stopping a bank robbery.
I mean, I'm not expecting anything from this upcoming BlizzCon.
It's probably going to be one of the worst to come.
peak escarp
why do you think that?
timid eagle
Because we are not going to get a new campaign mode for Archives, for example.
And how the comics have slowed to a crawl.
sacred hamlet
No new comics PepeHands
and oh boy are they going to recycle Retribution for archives next year
peak escarp
such pessimism
timid eagle
And Uprising.
peak escarp
how do you know we won't get a new mode for Archives?
timid eagle
Because of the last developer update.
You know, the whole thing about no new game modes or changes for the events.
sacred hamlet
Yep
Gotta sacrifice that storytelling and character exploration for Balancing and OWL
Sad shit
timid eagle
I'm happy with the game balancing.
But I don't care for the OWL league stuff as much.
sacred hamlet
They'll still attempt to stuff OWL in your throat as much as they can
this has basically been the entirety of 2018
peak escarp
the new hero will have lore
limpid agate
You don't have Michael Chu saying what Roadhog changes need to be made
sacred hamlet
Then someone teams are definitely not doing their jobs
limpid agate
And you don't have Geoff Goodman writing up a new comic
sacred hamlet
And it doesn't change the fact that the direction the Dev Team is taking right now isn't shit
they should be balancing all of these things all at once like any other game
but are instead just completely ignoring them
lost fjord
When will we have big reveal at blizzcon for ow?
timid eagle
Yeah, I feel very numb about this.
sacred hamlet
I"m now just hoping at least Archives stays as the only fresh new Event we get every year
Thisgame is in need of some LORE
lost fjord
Did anyone thought about an actual good replacement for lucioball?
peak escarp
I'm hoping Archives is the exception to the "no new events"
lost fjord
Like, an event that they could actually bring in the game
sacred hamlet
Yep me too
limpid agate
CNY/Archives/ANniversary should all be consistently new content
sacred hamlet
simaz I think this kind of stuff is to be talked about in the overwatch discussion channel
lost fjord
Hrrrrrm true
sacred hamlet
Mods are awake monkaS
lost fjord
Archives was really nice
sacred hamlet
And sadly Archives is the only piece of lore we get every year aside from trashy cinematics like Mei's and Dva's
Very sad
limpid agate
You done?
lost fjord
Did you just actually said that mei's cinematic was trash?
sacred hamlet
Well it was supposed to be one of the cinematics we'd get for 2017
timid eagle
He's not wrong. Mei's cinematic didn't showcase anything we didn't already know about the character.
lost fjord
It was still really good. Its not because we didnt get any lore from the animated short that it cant be a good story
peak escarp
in her bio, it was stated that Mei was found frozen
sacred hamlet
But MEi literallydid not reveal anything new about Mei
peak escarp
in the cinematic, we see her wake up alone and have to find her own way out
sacred hamlet
we already knew she got iced, woke up and escaped
peak escarp
that is something we did not know
sacred hamlet
yeah
lost fjord
We didnt knew that her friends died
sacred hamlet
but that could've been done through a comic
sacred hamlet
I've been saying this since it came out
Mei's Cinematic could've been a comic
instead they waste it on a cinematic
and it fucking sucked
lost fjord
But it wouldnt be as good without the music
lost fjord
Jeez, you just want to hate on the cinematic dont you
timid eagle
At least Reinhardt's cinematic showcased a different side of the character, along with why he's so committed to the organization that kicked him out.
sacred hamlet
but the concept of the cinematic itself was still bad
stuff like Rein's cinematic that Blues just mentioned had everything a cinematic should have
peak escarp
it was still stuff we already knew
sacred hamlet
Yet we didn't know what caused his death
and that rein was at fault for it
and why rein is so commited to OW
and why Rein is loyal to his cause
and why Rein is Rein
lost fjord
...
sacred hamlet
it explored Rein from all angles and it was great
timid eagle
We didn't know that Young Reinhardt used to be completely reckless, arrogant, and over confident.
peak escarp
if you love Honor and Glory so much then you should love Shooting Star
sacred hamlet
and then she build an ice gun and escaped
peak escarp
it gave us the same information about DVa
lost fjord
Then why arent you hating on junkrat's cinematic? It was litterally 2 dude trying stupid tactic to enter junkertown. And it was still funny
sacred hamlet
first of all
limpid agate
Shooting Star was world building and character development
Same with Honour and Glory
lost fjord
He was rein's mentor
sacred hamlet
I found Balderich to be pretty badass
But hey if you think he's boring that's on you
peak escarp
I found Dae-hyun to be pretty caring and supportive
lost fjord
Same thing for your opinion on mei's cinematic. Have a nice day!
peak escarp
but hey if you think he's boring that's on you
sacred hamlet
I feel that Rein's cinematic simply explored way more than D.Va's
we never knew that old arrogant side of rein
we always knew dva was dedicated to her cause and wasn't pure glee 24 7
peak escarp
you didn't? you must not have heard any of his voice lines
he's bragging and bombastic non stop
lost fjord
B E E R
sacred hamlet
Because he is Reinhardt
old reinhardt was a kamikaze with no true honor or care for his teammates
he still kept his personality though
peak escarp
we haven't seen him change yet
limpid agate
The very first thing Ana tells Rein to do is DONT CHARGE IN
lost fjord
I mean if you were a badass giant german in a mech armor you would probably be bragging all days long
peak escarp
everything for Reinhardt has been in the past
sacred hamlet
I'm pretty sure that's just a joke on OW players
lost fjord
Well we dun know whats going on in the present do we?
sacred hamlet
that's just what fighting did to him
You still have to point out what we learned with D.Va's cinematic
lost fjord
The eyes of this guy
sacred hamlet
She's a workaholic, she has a random filler buddy, and there's an underwater omnium
timid eagle
That she's has PTSD from fighting the omnics, and she's way over her head fighting the giant omnic?
sacred hamlet
That'sit really
peak escarp
she doesn't have PTSD
peak escarp
we learned that she has a hero complex, and thinks she has to carry her team or the city will fall
limpid agate
Stop saying heroes have PTSD
timid eagle
I wished they explored that more than how disjointed the short was.
peak escarp
before the short, all we knew of DVa was her happy-go-lucky gamer persona, with maybe a few interactions that hinted at her true personality
sacred hamlet
Dude her true personality was always there
peak escarp
I agree it could have been better, but don't ignore what it gave us just because you don't like it
sacred hamlet
you could always tell that cutesy face and voice she put was just for the camera
limpid agate
That would have been pure speculation
Because there was nothing to suggest otherwise except 1 voiceline
sacred hamlet
well I knew since that Omnic voiceline that she had something hiding
It's pretty subjective whether you're able to tell these things
limpid agate
Even comic relief gets sad lines
sacred hamlet
Never really saw her as comic relief
More like some popstar that was obviously forced
peak escarp
her interactions told us that she had a stage persona
timid eagle
I honestly speculated that Reinhardt has CTE, hence why he acts more outrageous than before.
peak escarp
but nothing hinted at what her real personality was
sacred hamlet
Her real personality being that one sad line of hers
limpid agate
Except its not
sacred hamlet
Lke seriously it was that obvious she was serious about this protect her country thing
limpid agate
Thats not her real personality
peak escarp
"The destruction here . . . it reminds me of home."
how does that show any personality?
limpid agate
That doesn't represent her real personality at all
sacred hamlet
Yet when I saw the cinematic for the first time I didn't even get surprised by her
"True personality"
Like I said, this is really just subjective
limpid agate
That's not what subjective means
sacred hamlet
Never saw her as more than just some protector putting up a Persona that happens to be really obnoxious
limpid agate
"The destruction here . . . it reminds me of home."
Does not suggest she has a hero complex at all
It suggests that her home was destroyed
sacred hamlet
Yes
limpid agate
And that she is sad about that
sacred hamlet
But from my perspective I always saw her as some persona forced to cover up something
and she has always been shown as a protector of her country
cinematics
Lore
anything
she's always been classified as a Defender
Really one of the only things that surprised me was this "self-harm" theory people pointed out about her cinematic
Doesn't like going out with others
Consumes trash food
IS always working on her Mech
peak escarp
that's not self-harm
sacred hamlet
that surprised me, but the personality thing did not
peak escarp
that's being a workaholic
timid eagle
I do find it funny that she treats her mech to that of a PC gamer building a new rig.
sacred hamlet
Yes
and is technically self harm
No one classifies working that hard as healthy after all
peak escarp
"self-harm" is actively starving yourself, or causing yourself bodily harm
sacred hamlet
that's why I said it's technically self harm and added quotations
she's not gutting her arm, she's just living a really shitty lifestyle that great part of the population sees as bad
sacred hamlet
still
It revealed her as a neglect
good
did it reveal her "I love my country and take this shit seriously" personality
No
peak escarp
yes
sacred hamlet
You could notice that easily
peak escarp
if you saw that before it's because you headcanoned it
there are no lines in the game that show her patriotism, her over-drive work ethic, or her hero complex
sacred hamlet
Well, clearly you only notice the exterior of people you know
that's on you not me
I'm just saying it was pretty obvious
peak escarp
I'm not fond of imposing my ideas on someone else's character
sacred hamlet
That's like saying Torbjorn isn't a racist for literally saying "THESE TOLKING TEEN CANS"
"NO NO WHY YOU DO THIS TO THE WORLD OMNICS"
"The english man are crazy for thinking Omnics being left alive here was a good idea"
peak escarp
it's like the theory that Jesse McCree is Joel Morricone
sacred hamlet
He's clearly racist about it
He doesn't have to literally yell
"I AM RACIST AGAINST OMNICS"
peak escarp
A lot of people think it, and there's a good chance it's true
sacred hamlet
for you to see that
peak escarp
but unless it gets confirmed, it's still just a theory
sacred hamlet
You're comparing a name to a person's personality
Names can be changed
Names are just illusions of identity
You can't compare a person's personality to a name
peak escarp
what are you going on about?
peak escarp
I wasnt comparing it to DVa
sacred hamlet
Yet it still has no relevancy to this
peak escarp
I was making a point that a lot of things the fandom considers "true" haven't actually been confirmed
like your idea about DVa's personality
sacred hamlet
You're comparing examining a person's exterior in relation to their interior personality
To names
peak escarp
no
sacred hamlet
McCree's name could be anything and it wouldn't matter
peak escarp
the example I used has nothing to do with this
peak escarp
A lot of people think X is true
until Blizzard confirms it, X is just a theory
you might have thought you knew DVa's true personality before Shooting Star, but it was just a theory until we saw it in Shooting Star
you turned out to be right, but that won't always be the case
McCree may or may not be the person who wrote that article
Blizzard has yet to confirm or deny
long ermine
What article
sacred hamlet
Because McCree's name just isn't as obvious
he's an outlaw that got turned into some chores boy
but he's still an outlaw
peak escarp
sacred hamlet
his name really doesn't matter and can't be as predictable as a person's personality
peak escarp
the name has nothing to do with it
pure kernel
what dva what?
sacred hamlet
we're discussing how predictable D.Va's real personality was before shooting stars
which for me was pretty clear
pure kernel
yup
pure kernel
same ol boring
peak escarp
doesn't matter if you saw it as a theory
sacred hamlet
I said i never saw it as a theory
I just thought that maybe
It was so obvious
Most people were able to tell her real personality
peak escarp
you said you didn't see it as a theory
sacred hamlet
but it seems that is not the case
pure kernel
it was obvious
long ermine
He’s saying your opinion on it being a theory OR NOT being a theory is irrelevant
pure kernel
that too
sacred hamlet
then what's the point of this whole conversation
pure kernel
idk
pure kernel
hi Jewv
sacred hamlet
Is that a warning or your personal preference
limpid agate
Its a warning.
sacred hamlet
I'll take it as both
limpid agate
If you have a complaint, DM @sullen pagoda , do not complain here
long ermine
How so
sacred hamlet
Antagonist levels of interesting
He created robots
robots kill millions
he goes after robots
It's quite outrageous that they don't explore him as much as they currently do
which they don't
long ermine
They don’t explore him as much as they currently do which they don’t
I don’t think that makes sense
sacred hamlet
It's supposed to be a joke on the fact they don't
long ermine
Not my first language so I could be wrong but that makes no sense to me
sacred hamlet
It's not my native language either but I'm pretty sure I'm right
In the same way Torb is right on the fact that them Omnics are dangerous
I'm also curious about how the Omnics like Zen and Maxmillion came to be
limpid agate
Torbjorn is one of the most developed characters
peak escarp
not all omnics are bad
sacred hamlet
Yeah
But why are most good Omnics of the same kind of Zen and Maxmillion
Like at least civil
peak escarp
Zen and Max seem to be a model of service omnics
sacred hamlet
That never made sense to me
peak escarp
made for interaction with humans
sacred hamlet
So the whole Omnic soul thing is bull then right
'Cause if Service Omnics are usually the civil and passive ones
and the weaponized Omnics are the one doing all the killing
then it must be programming
There's no soul or sentient being in there
peak escarp
Bastion
peak escarp
we don't know
sacred hamlet
And I must agree with Jewvia's opinion on my opinion being right
Torb is really a very well developed character
Where is my Torb cinematic
peak escarp
I'd like to see that too
limpid agate
He doesn't need one.
sacred hamlet
And about Bastion we probably won't see that come to reality
limpid agate
He's well developed
peak escarp
you must really like Torb
sacred hamlet
Yes
He strays farther away from the goody two shoes personality of most characters
so I like im
He's grumpy and doesn't like Omnics for a reason
He's a realistic character that is seen as morally wrong because he is morally wrong
But that's what makes him more real than most characters
I love Torb :))
peak escarp
he's also shown that he's capable of changing his opinion
peak escarp
Binary did what Searching couldn't
it showed an Omnic-hater realizing that maybe they were wrong
peak escarp
yes
sacred hamlet
and out of the nowhere liking omincs
peak escarp
you get it
sacred hamlet
I just try to ignore its existence
limpid agate
Sadly, it exists
Hopefully Lynx 17 will eventually redeem it
But until then
It simply exists
sacred hamlet
Comics don't matter to me as much as expensive Cinematics that are probably produced for 2 years
isn't lynx basically just sombra
peak escarp
they're a budget Sombra
limpid agate
No, Sombra is a good hacker
peak escarp
no name brand Sombra
sacred hamlet
deep web hacker vs Club Penguin hacker
peak escarp
lol
timid eagle
Lynx is a solid hacker, but they are out of Sombra's league.
limpid agate
Not sure how much of Lynx being a bad hacker is intentional
ANd how much is just bad writing
sacred hamlet
Ask Chu
He'll retcon him into suddently being better than Sombra in a hacking Showdown
limpid agate
Retcon doesnt happen that often
ANd when it does
Its usually minor details in bios
sacred hamlet
Doesn't stop Chu from being memed about it
sacred hamlet
true
limpid agate
Its out of place how bad that comic is.
peak escarp
his other comics were good
limpid agate
^
sacred hamlet
Rise and Shine is an exception and Hero could've been better
But yeah pretty confusing how this guy made Searching
sacred hamlet
His other comics were overall pretty memorable
limpid agate
It was written as a Alejandra short that featured Soldier 76
peak escarp
it had a pretty badass fight scene though
peak escarp
at least it gave us that
peak escarp
Searching just muddied the timeline and achieved nothing
limpid agate
Even if they suck, they still give some cool stuff
Which is probably the one thing Rise and Shine lacked.
sacred hamlet
Did Blizzard not add blood effects for Hero on purpose
Or does soldier's gun just not kill
limpid agate
There is no blood when Sombra shoots guards with bullets
Soldier 76 has no problem with killing
He blew a guy up
peak escarp
sacred hamlet
He needed to
He otherwise just blunted his weapon on a guy's face
and burned another with a pinhata
peak escarp
in movie equivalent, that would be PG13
peak escarp
he's done some comics
sacred hamlet
which ones
sacred hamlet
Pretty good ones
And I've gotta ask out of confusion
You said Rise and Shine lacked only world building
But what did it do for Mei's character anyways
peak escarp
honestly I think Shooting Star would have worked better as a comic - being limited to 7 minutes made DVa learning to ask for help very rushed
peak escarp
Rise and Shine didn't feel as rushed because they did show time passing
sacred hamlet
I still didn't like seeing a 6 minutes cinematic of Mei walking
peak escarp
there was a fade while she was mourning her friends, and a time lapse of her building her gun
sacred hamlet
it would've been just so so much better in a comic format
it fits well with the passage of time
peak escarp
so it covered 2-3 days of time
peak escarp
she did her best
sacred hamlet
the one where she sniffs randomly
It's so fucking terrible
and yeah it's pretty clear she tried her best
her voice was kind of weird for the whole cinematic
like she suddently was unable to control her accent
peak escarp
she's not a strong English speaker
she probably learned to say the lines phonetically
sacred hamlet
which is weird since the lines that came with her on release were ok
but the in the cinematic it felt off
peak escarp
idk
peak escarp
it's not really a random sniff
it's her starting to cry because Moira brought up her dead collegues
sacred hamlet
I know
And I remember it being longer for some reason
But I still find it forced
Her low sad voice is great for the whole part of it
But the sniff was kinda dumb
peak escarp
I like that Moira calls her "Dr. Zhao"
we haven't heard anyone call Moira "Dr. O'deorain"
gusty fjord
Is this a left field, Blizzard does what they want thing again?
Oh?
It could be a Moira thing again
peak escarp
someone tried to sell that rumor back before Doomfist came out
gusty fjord
oh
peak escarp
same abilities, different name
peak escarp
more omnics would be nice, but I think we'll have to wait
gusty fjord
I just want to personally see what a "normal person" equivalent of an omnic would be
Zen is a "magical" omnic. XD I want to see a "normal-esque" Omnic who just has a gun but can do great stuff with it because he's an omnic. Bastion doesn't count because he literally transforms into a tank. haha
frosty shell
Mercy does get called "Dr. Ziegler"
I actually thought Hero was one of the best of the animated shorts the first time I watched them
quasi fern
I just wanna know if there’s anyway tracer can “die”
I know she can phase through bullets but does that happen if she doesn’t know she’s getting shot at
And she probably can’t die from old age
pure kernel
she does age but slowly iirc
quasi fern
Like how slowly exactly
pure kernel
quasi fern
Id expect she couldn’t die from getting hit by a car or anything but what about burning or drowning
How would she get out of that
pure kernel
recall?
quasi fern
Hmm
nova token
Does Ana truly mean "never stop fighting for what you believe in”
nova token
Well I’m just curious
sacred hamlet
Well, she did go into hiding after the sniper incident which led to her relatives, Pharah and Overwatch thinking she was dead
So she does come out as a hypocrite
But it was probably for the best
vapid orchid
just because she went into hiding didn't mean she stopped fighting
sacred hamlet
She did stop fighting for Overwatch and left her daughter
But I guess she "believed" in different things, so those doesn't count.
peak escarp
Tracer has to consciously activate Recall
so anything that would prevent her from doing so would kill her
also she ages at the normal rate
sacred hamlet
But she did leave her daughter didn't she
peak escarp
she disappeared because she felt guilty over letting her team get shot by Widowmaker
and she's atoning for that by being a vigilante
(I guess?)
Fareeha was also ~26 and probably living on her own/in the military by then
sacred hamlet
Was Pharah really that old when it happened
peak escarp
she's 32 now
sacred hamlet
Also what exactly did Shrike go
sacred hamlet
And she let failed her team by getting incapacitated by Widowmaker and letting her roam free
peak escarp
4 of the team got sniped during that mission
Ana felt that she should have prevented that
limpid agate
A Vigilante in Egypte
timid eagle
Also a bounty hunter.
Also done some questionable things in Russia.
What she did there, we don't know.
sacred hamlet
And she stopped directly fighting for her family and OW after becoming Shrike
But again she does go by this quote
"Everyone must find their cause."
So she just left her old life behind and that's it I guess
limpid agate
We don't know if her Russian activity was as Shrike or during her tenure in Overwatch
timid eagle
Might be a bit of both.
Because, if I recall, Overwatch was barred from helping with Russian affairs.
sacred hamlet
So she went there as Shrike then
limpid agate
Not necessairly
sacred hamlet
When could've she went there then
And personally, I feel as she's referring to Shrike itself
limpid agate
We don't know if her Russian activity was as Shrike or during her tenure in Overwatch
lean prawn
wouldn't being put on a watchlist imply illegal activity?
i always assumed anything overwatch did outside of blackwatch was legal until the petras act
limpid agate
Uprising was also not allowed
And Russia explicitly forbade Overwatch from interfering during the Crisis
sacred hamlet
so you're saying that Ana got on the list for trying to help Russia
lean prawn
or she went as shrike and her shenanigans got her in trouble with volskaya
sacred hamlet
both are possible
lean prawn
doesn't specify which watchlist
im leaning towards a shrike incident instead of an overwatch incident
dawn chasm
When have we seen rein use earth shatter
prisma wren
why is that important?
sacred hamlet
True, we've never seen him do that outside of the game
valid shell
He does it in Dragon Slayer.
dawn chasm
I was just looking at the pinned messages and it says that we have seen rein use earth shatter
Oh ok thank you
timid eagle
Except he's one card short of a full deck.
sacred hamlet
Why is that
timid eagle
In his comic, there is a scene where he sees the gang of Dragons as an assortment of fantasy monsters.
timid eagle
He's awesome, but it's a contrast to what he was when he was younger.
He was a loud mouth and overly cocky, but it seemed that everything was fine upstairs.
sacred hamlet
Is he crazy for comedy effect or did he go through some traumatic event
maybe just the result of countless battles
timid eagle
That, and losing all his friends, the organization he dedicated all his life towards, getting old, ....
Loud, boisterous, jovial - Reinhardt is all of these things. He's serious when he needs to be, but otherwise he's just naturally cheerful.
But I'm starting to think his insanity is going to be a big plot point.
sacred hamlet
when he dies
a shame rein isn't the poster boy of overwatch when he's easily the most likeable character
could've competed with Heavy
timid eagle
I brought this up previously, but I think Reinhardt might have been diagnosed with Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, & he could be though the second stage of the condition.
It's a symptom that football players, pro wrestlers, or anyone who has their held hit a lot. The symptoms include social instability, ADHD, poor judgement, memory disorders, and so forth.
Considering, well, Reinhardt, who insists possibly/seriously that all his tall tales are completely true, & one of his abilities is to slam himself against walls/objects on a regular basis.
sacred hamlet
and one of his skins is literally football gear
Poor Reinhardt
I also find it weird
Supposedly Rein was forced into retirement
But Ana at the same age as him was able to stay in Overwatch
dawn chasm
Wasn’t Ana gone at that point?
timid eagle
With Sombra's interaction with Brigitte about reading Rein's Overwatch file, I'm starting to think the organization cutting him lose by force retirement, instead of suggesting THERAPY, is probably another piss poor decision on their end. So, the fact that his brain is going out on him means on some level that he knows that he's at least losing his mind. So, the dude is choosing to go down swinging (both literally and figuratively).
Yeah, Rein saw all his friends die, one by one.
As for Rein being forced into retirement, it probably happened after Jack and Gabe "died".
sacred hamlet
Oh
He definitely seems really suicidal
Suicidal being always wanting to go down fighting
Or protecting someone
He really fucking hates the idea of resting and rotting away in some chair
timid eagle
Can you blame him?
No one wants to end up like that.
And, it seems he doesn't have a family of his own.
sacred hamlet
Especially a man that cocky and muscular as him
Yep Brigitte is probably the only thing he has left
timid eagle
He dedicated his whole career to the Overwatch organization, and they dumped him after many years of service.
tranquil sun
Torbjorn
tranquil sun
oh, poor Reinhardt
timid eagle
Well, Torb considers Rein extended family, and he always invites him to a Christmas get-together.
worthy rose
sacred hamlet
but Torb can't simply take rein everywhere with him
Brigitte's supposed to be his companion now
timid eagle
Yeah, Brigitte is Rein's engineer for his crusader armour and squire.
Not an easy job.
But they'll stick together like glue.
worthy rose
Why glue
sacred hamlet
and rein's gonna die like that 'cause someone's gotta die
dawn chasm
Why not
worthy rose
Yeah that true
sacred hamlet
Jeff isn't just gonna mention the possibility of someone being killed off in Overwatch and then waste it away
timid eagle
It's an expression.
sacred hamlet
He wants Rein's ass dead
worthy rose
Tan tan taa
timid eagle
"My squire, remember to be the teams shield....Always be their anchor...."
worthy rose
?
timid eagle
Something, something, Reinhardt's last words to Brigitte.
worthy rose
But he is not dead
sacred hamlet
Must have slacked before entering the game though
valid shell
Reinhardt might die in lore, but he'll never be removed from the game.
sacred hamlet
she went from Cinematic fit to noodle arms
worthy rose
But why our god Jeff, don't do enythink to this reinhard think?
And yes my english is very bad
sacred hamlet
and yeah dead heroes won't be removed from the game and my immersion will be ruined
Poor immersion
dawn chasm
Just use reins ghost skin
valid shell
Most of OW's playerbase doesn't give a shit about the made-up story for babies, and would riot if their main disappeared because of "muh lores".
valid shell
Killing off beloved characters with a lot to offer =/= more lore.
dawn chasm
worthy rose
dawn chasm
worthy rose
jagged nexus
no emote spam pls
dawn chasm
Oki
dawn chasm
Much gay
valid shell
Stop.
dawn chasm
Maybe
loud elk
,
worthy rose
loud elk
.
peak escarp
if you're not going to say something useful, don't say anything
worthy rose
What is best think in overwatch lore?
loud elk
thing?
worthy rose
Yes
loud elk
i think the story of hanzo and genji
valid shell
I'm a fan of Blackwatch.
timid eagle
I like Mei's background and how she is the least heroic of the cast.
peak escarp
I like how diverse the characters are - not just in terms of nationality, but there's lots of older heroes, and a balance of male and female heroes
I can't think of any other game with a large roster as interesting as this one
worthy rose
Why?
valid shell
Because we have rules here.
loud elk
nou
worthy rose
Okay
iron plume
we're here if you've got a lore question or point
trail axle
At the end of the “Rise and Shine” cinematic Mei went out by herself in an isolated location in the middle of an ice storm. How dafuq did that bitch survive?
iron plume
she didn't go out in an ice storm
when she left it was clear
less shitposting please
hasty surge
Speaking of which she must have a food source
Get all those who shitpost interested in lore and never again they will
brisk bay
please no shitposting in this channel
@chilly peak @hasty surge shitposting in this channel will result in loss of access
final warning
brisk bay
@hasty surge apologies, I read the wrong message, u fine
hasty surge
Thanks all is good
brisk bay
👌
worthy rose
yup
regal coyote
TIL: Hammond is the only living character with no pants
limpid agate
Symmetra also has no pants
regal coyote
most likely she has underpants at least
sacred hamlet
Look like shorts to me
frosty shell
I know D. Va wears shorts under her hanbok in her Palanquin skin
sacred hamlet
Pretty sure that's just underwear
peak escarp
doesn't look like typical underwear
limpid agate
Pretty sure spats are underwear. At least in my eyes
peak escarp
spats? those go on your shoes - I think you mean spanx
I think what Symmetra wears is more like the briefs cheerleaders wear under their skirts
or old-school girl's gym briefs from Japan
feral lintel
why are we talking about underwear?
limpid agate
Someone said Hammond is the only hero who doesn't wear pants
I suggested Symmetra doesn't either
sacred hamlet
We could just call them shorts and be done with it
peak escarp
depending on what you consider Genji's armor plating to be, you could say he's always naked
limpid agate
Also correct
sacred hamlet
What bothers me the most about Hammond is that him and Winston have basically no interactions
limpid agate
Brig just got hers
sacred hamlet
I believe they've only got one and Winston literally just says "Hammond" in confusion
limpid agate
And Moira just got hers around the anniversary
sacred hamlet
Yeah but Brigitte has no fucking idea where Hammond came from and what he is
sacred hamlet
Which is weird
limpid agate
Thats not what I meant
I meant
Brig got all her hero interactions this past month
And Moira got all of hers at the anniversary
limpid agate
Doomfist didn't ship with his either, iirc.
Only Ana and Sombra did
And amybe Orisa? Cant remember
sacred hamlet
orsa had hers since release i think
limpid agate
Would have to watch a Hammeh recap around her launch to be sure
peak escarp
the delay probably isn't intentional
it must be hard to get 29 people to all be available to record in the same time window
limpid agate
So far, only the Queen, Winston, and Sombra have voice lines related to Hammond.
Interesting that they are giving the Queen new lines.
Well, line.
peak escarp
Tracer has a line that might be towards Hammond
"I guess they'll let anyone be a pilot these days" or something like that
limpid agate
Yeah. Not sure if its for him or not.
But Hammond seems to be a lot like Bastion in terms of writing
Where he never replies.
Or at least, not in a way we can understand
sacred hamlet
According to the Wiki the line is directed to him
I still expected more Winston lines though
Hopefully they get more recorded this year
peak escarp
none of his responses have a Wrecking Ball answer, just Hammond squeaks
limpid agate
Only on the Wrecking Ball page. Not on the Tracer. Interesting
Should update that later.
sacred hamlet
Are the Junkerqueen lines about Hammond posted anywhere
limpid agate
sacred hamlet
Thank You
So should we assume she knows he's a hamster
Since you know, he's mostly out of his ball form when fighting
peak escarp
him being half out is just so you have a headshot target in the game
limpid agate
Its speculated whether the Queen or Bruce knows his true identity, however.
sacred hamlet
Who's Bruce again
limpid agate
An engineer that lives in Junkertown
Hammond built Wrecking Ball in his garage, by the looks of his Origin short
limpid agate
Hammond used his winnings to build a better mech, yes
sacred hamlet
Hammond's engineering skills look pretty self sufficient
limpid agate
But the Junker scrap mech, he built in what looks like Bruce's garage.
peak escarp
he'd still need a place to build it, and tools
peak escarp
that's where Bruce comes in
sacred hamlet
there's plenty of garages and sheds outside of Junk with tools and scrap
so I assume he built it there before entering
peak escarp
Between 1st and 2nd checkpoint
sacred hamlet
Well, I guess he snuck in there then right
I don't think they'd let some rolling ball in
regal coyote
also we believe Bruce knows there is something ratty about hammond
white cobalt
Btw, is not gonna be weird if Queen is announcing in Junkertown and she became a playable character? Or announcing herself
limpid agate
Im curious to see how they handle that
Unlike Athena, the Queen is not a major announcer
She only has some minor lines in key points on the map
And even those are through heavy static
feral lintel
maybe they'll have her be confused at seeing herself arrive
pure kernel
ratty
limpid agate
Or she just wont have a line for herself
Or she physically speaks on the map when she is in game
feral lintel
or be like "a mysterious stranger has arrived to compete"
pure kernel
Maybe they'll remove them if she's in game, and she'll say it herself
pearl blade
What if she's on attack then?
white cobalt
If they added some lines to announce Hammond in PTR, i starting to get doubts about her being hero 29
pure kernel
Same?
pearl blade
That'd be kinda weird imo
pearl blade
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out tbh
regal coyote
OR... they would introduce... wiat for it... ANNOUNCER PACKS
pure kernel
Also, maybe they had that line already but they didn't use it
limpid agate
Thats if they add Athena
Not the Queen
The Queen isnt a real announcer
She just speaks on some parts of the map
With or without announcer packs, that wouldnt change
You wouldnt be able to change the Queen saying some shit about Junkrat to Tracer saying "Welcome to Junkertown!"
plucky fox
hmmm...
regal coyote
what if when you play as queen instead you hear some grunt saying "welcome back m'lady"
pure kernel
Again, what about attack
limpid agate
What about attack
pure kernel
nvm
pearl blade
That's a good solution tbh
pure kernel
Yeh
white cobalt
adding a grunt, means Blizz paying a bit more . Like i said, i'm starting to have doubts.
limpid agate
🤷
I think its simpler that they brought her in to record hero lines, and gave her 1 more map line
Rather than they brought her in to record exactly 1 line then goodbye again
pure kernel
Maybe the devs themselves will make cameos
Also, what if they had that line already
Like you see how some lines are unused
sacred hamlet
That is true
pure kernel
Like yes and no
pure kernel
It takes time after all
limpid agate
Also a possibility, but I doubt it. It has never been datamined, and no other hero has Wrecking Ball interactions that are that old.
But that is a possibility
sacred hamlet
So it means there's a chance we might not get the Junkerqueen
pure kernel
She's highly requested so
sacred hamlet
Since it does feel weird they recorded a Voice for Hammond when it's going to get scrapped after a few months
pure kernel
Also maybe the Talon tank
iron plume
well for one it's maximillien
pure kernel
I think Balderich does as well
iron plume
for two avatar if anything reduces his chances
limpid agate
Max has a chance to be playable, but not for 29
pure kernel
(Is that how you spell it?)
pure kernel
No, i mean
He has an icon as well iirc
So an icon doesn't necessarily mean that they'll be in game
limpid agate
We are saying the avatar reduces Max's chances
And he is still top 3 post-Queen heroes
Alongside Sanjay and Lynx
Because we have so few viable NPCs
Past Lynx, what do we have? Liao? Fio? Emre? Literally all just names.
pure kernel
Saniay also seems like a potential hero
sacred hamlet
What in the fuck would Lynx do as a character
sacred hamlet
Once again: Bootleg Sombra
pure kernel
Pls they're cute
limpid agate
Hacking is character specific. Lynx would make it less.
A common suggestion I see is hack allies to make their cooldowns faster
But that's verging into gameplay
white cobalt
Of the 3, Lynx is the less probable for me
pure kernel
?
limpid agate
The top 3 likely heroes overall, including teh Queen
sacred hamlet
Lynx and Sanjay are cool and all
pure kernel
Oh
sacred hamlet
But I still don't see the point in them when they're basically counterparts to Sombra and Symmetra
limpid agate
Ana/Widow?
sacred hamlet
Brig and Rein are pretty identical that's true
limpid agate
Hard Light means Sanjay can do literally anything they want
Its the OW equivalent of the Green Lantern Corps
sacred hamlet
But no one likes the Green Lanterns
limpid agate
No, they're popular
pure kernel
Maybe they're trying to change that perspective
sacred hamlet
Brig itself was a mistake as well in my opinion
she's cool as a lore character but she really doesn't fit the game considering rein exists
limpid agate
The problems with Brig was that the lore she came with made no sense and contradicted a lot of what we knew
iron plume
her gameplay niche is nowhere close to rein's
limpid agate
They fixed her age, but it was still confusion
iron plume
but it's also not a discussion for here
sacred hamlet
Didn't they basically turn Mercy, a 14 year old, into an official scientist
limpid agate
No
iron plume
She was a teenager with big dreams who knew torb's family
limpid agate
They took a 14 year old orphan Mercy, made her into a close friend of the Lindholms, and had her dream about nanobiotic tech since her youth
sacred hamlet
Yeah, a teenager who was able to mess with technology that her healing staff uses
iron plume
there's nothing saying she actually did something
sacred hamlet
Like she's gifted but that's incredibly gifted
iron plume
it's also not true in the lore
sacred hamlet
Yes Mercy mentioned in the letter to Torb she was working on it
limpid agate
I still dont like the confusion it brings to the lore, but you are way over exaggerating it and misunderstanding it
No
She wasnt
Read it again
Quote the line for me
iron plume
she was starting on the vague path that eventually led her to making the tech
limpid agate
Then try again
pure kernel
We just know that Mercy is an orphan right?
limpid agate
Yes
And that she is inexplicably a family friend of the Lindholms
Some background there would help
pure kernel
How did she get close to the Lindholmms?
limpid agate
Exactly
sacred hamlet
"If only Angela's dreams of tissue regeneration were a reality!"
Guess it was just a DREAM
pure kernel
Maybe foster care?
iron plume
just make them adopt her already
would explain it easily, and make sense within the universe
sacred hamlet
I mean dreaming about fucking tissue regeneration when you're 14 is pretty messed up
but since efi exists
iron plume
no it isn't?
what kid that was into science didn't read up on some specific subject and dream of making a breakthrough there
iron plume
I take it you weren't into science much