Forgot about that one
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
peak escarp
limpid agate
Junk/Hog, Mercy/Moira, Zarya/Rein/Brig/DF are just a few more pairs
peak escarp
it's easy to miss
errant void
Lmao, "dumbledoring." Dont' @ Rowling like that
peak escarp
apparently the Queen acknowledges Wrecking Ball on the Junkertown map now
someone found a line on the PTR at the second checkpoint
limpid agate
So they brought the Queen back to record more lines, eh?
peak escarp
I wonder if there are any other lines added for her
sacred hamlet
Any signs of the Junkerqueen having a flamethrower
valid shell
No.
sacred hamlet
I find it hard to believe they'd add another meele character after what Brigitte did to this poor insecure and vulnerable community
She's got a war axe of death but again
NO MEELE CHARACTERS
valid shell
Meta discussion belongs in #overwatch
timid eagle
@peak escarp That's pretty cool.
I'm going to fish what she says to the character now.
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet Junkerqueen is a former mech champ
Odds are her kit will incorporate that.
sacred hamlet
Another Mech character
Just what we needed
and I think that'd be an insult to her character
she's tough as shit
looks punk
has a giant axe hammer whatever
is the queen of an entire society ruled by anarchy (her)
Junkqueen in a mech would easily kill her character
timid eagle
The best option is to make her mech an ultimate.
sacred hamlet
Now that is a
sacred hamlet
COOL IDEA
timid eagle
Think of Tychus (Starcraft II) as he can summon the Odin.
sacred hamlet
So basically a transformative ult where she gets some damage bonus or something
sacred hamlet
true tychus' mech works
sacred hamlet
Oh
limpid agate
limpid agate
They didnt make the cut. But that style of mech can fit the Queen and be unique
timid eagle
Yeah, she's a freaky cyborg that can fire a big ass laser beam from her mouth.
limpid agate
Just take out the mouth lasers
timid eagle
What's wrong with the mouth lasers?
limpid agate
Why would the Queen have mouth lasers?
sacred hamlet
why not
limpid agate
Im saying in respect to this design being adapted to the Queen
sacred hamlet
oh wait technology in junkertown is limited
true
honestly i'd just give her a flamethrower and a mech ult
sounds unique enough to me
limpid agate
They will likely never make a flamethrower in Overwatch.
It is hard to bring that type of weapon into a game like Overwatch.
Theres a reason why the only dot in the game is Widow's poison mine
sacred hamlet
Are you forgetting those beautiful burning and fire effects they've dedicated so much effort into
The one they gave to Torb
and nothing's stopping the venom from becoming an ability
for other characters
so I'd say it's possible
limpid agate
So. Sombra's hacks are unique to her. As is Mei's freezing.
Also, the Queen's mech is not Kelvin 506
We've seen the pilot, he looks like a gnome
sacred hamlet
True but what's stopping queen from having it
limpid agate
Her probably having her own better mech
sacred hamlet
are you refering to the volskaya mech dude
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
who then
sacred hamlet
Damn he looks sick
Okay so you've got a point
But like I said
how in the fuck is the Overwatch team going to add another meele character in the same year that Brigitte got released
they wouldn't dare
sacred hamlet
Excuse me
limpid agate
Could be a shotgun
sacred hamlet
BIG ASS HAMMER OVER HERE
limpid agate
Could be like the Riflespear from bloodborne
We haven't seen anything past the bottom edge
sacred hamlet
don't you think that's waste of potential though
limpid agate
No
limpid agate
This is as much we see of her weapon
sacred hamlet
and if you don't know jayce is a lol character with a hammer thing that shoots bullets
yeah
but what would you give her
instead of a flamethrower
sacred hamlet
Do you find that boring
'cause I find that boring
Are you suggesting maybe a sniper rifle like Widow's
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
but with no scope and a damaging projecticle
limpid agate
All Im suggesting is
sacred hamlet
oh wait that's hanzo
sacred hamlet
Yes but how would you implement that without making her non badass
she looks like a bruiser after all
limpid agate
Putting the gun inside of an axe is cool
sacred hamlet
shotgun axe
limpid agate
Yeah exactly
sacred hamlet
doesn't sound very exciting to me but hey OPINIONS
overwatch has plenty of shotguns after all
not sure where you can expand that design anymore
limpid agate
You can only do so much with guns
Hitscan Shotgun - DVa(Rapid Fire), Reaper(High burst)
Projectile Shotgun - Doomfist(Filler), Roadhog(Combo finisher), Torbjorn(Slow and fast, thanks to Overload)
limpid agate
Then you can just look at hitscan in general
From fastest to slowest (Also most to least spread):
Tracer, Sombra, Soldier 76, Hammond, McCree
sacred hamlet
surprisingly enough mccree and widow are the only heroes in the game with single bullet weapons
that are hitscan
limpid agate
They can do whatever they want with the Queen. We dont know enough about her kit
sacred hamlet
mei don't count
limpid agate
Other than former mech champ
But a Flamethrower is something the devs have spoke on not wanting to do.
sacred hamlet
Really
timid eagle
Is it due to performance issues?
sacred hamlet
OMEGALUL OW PERFORMANCE
sacred hamlet
I still think she'd look amazing with a flamethrower
Really fits her gig
Don't see her using anything else
sacred hamlet
We never get teasers before blizz
that was just for sombra
at least i don't remember a moira teaser last year
peak escarp
that's 50% of Blizzcon heroes
sacred hamlet
she came the fuck out of nowhere
limpid agate
3/5 gave teasers
peak escarp
Moira didn't have any teasers
sacred hamlet
yeh she came out of nowhere already established as some mercy counterpart
sacred hamlet
are you sure that was her in the comic
limpid agate
She came from being the 5th prominent Talon Leader, and only unknown, in her comic
There was 0 mention of Mercy
sacred hamlet
Eh I still don't think that looks like her
peak escarp
it's her
sacred hamlet
But again they were dressed for carnival or something
Well she still came out as a mercy counterpart and a member of talon
basically talon's healer
But back to Junkerqueen I don't think a shotgun will work
peak escarp
she'll probably have some kind of close range, spread weapon
sacred hamlet
Maybe a scrap shotgun with a wide radius which pushes back enemies
that would surely be
VERY FUN AND INTERACTIVE
peak escarp
didn't you just say a shotgun wouldn't work
sacred hamlet
well if you wanna call it a blast
we can call it that
I just think that some basic shotgun like reaper's, torb's and roadhog's wouldn't work
been used far too much
some small knockback on her weapon's shot would be pretty cool
really emphasizes her
ROUGH
character
sacred hamlet
what does ALF stand for
peak escarp
Australian Liberation Front
sacred hamlet
mhmhmhm
peak escarp
they fought back against the omnics being given the omnium
sacred hamlet
probably did
peak escarp
and eventually blew it up
sacred hamlet
she does hate omnics after all
peak escarp
Roadhog was a member
peak escarp
but from her art she looks to be in her 30s - the omnium blew up around 20-25 years ago
limpid agate
Given the era that Hammond landed
She is probably in her 30s. Maybe 40s.
But I'd wager same McCree/Mercy/Pharah/Shimadas/lots of heroes
sacred hamlet
so she fought against the ominics when she was 15
kind young but there's so many characters who were made fighters because of the omnic war
limpid agate
Roadhog probably didn't even fight in the crisis
sacred hamlet
so it's possible
sacred hamlet
didn't zarya fight
limpid agate
She wasn't alive
sacred hamlet
So the whole "I saw my people be slaughtered" is thing all fake
Or am I remembering wrong
limpid agate
Her village when she was a child was destroyed by Omnics.
And she is currently at war
peak escarp
Russia is currently experiencing the second omnic crisis
limpid agate
Zarya: The suffering of my people rests heavily upon your shoulders, Torbjörn.
I will not let the fate that befell this place happen to my country!
Her lines dont indicate her seeing the destruction first hand, either
sacred hamlet
So she just heard stories
limpid agate
Aleksandra was born in a remote Siberian village that was on the front lines of the Omnic Crisis, which began some thirty years ago. Although Russian forces defeated the robots and shut down their omnium, the region was devastated by the conflict. Only a child at the time, Aleksandra was surrounded by the post-war destruction, and as she grew older, she swore that she would gain the strength to help her people recover.
From her bio
sacred hamlet
Jewvia do you know a time line for all the omnic conflicts
or do i have to do research on that one
limpid agate
As close as we can get
We are not given a lot of dates
We don't know when specifically it ended
Just that it ended >23 years ago
So 25 give or take a couple years
sacred hamlet
Sorry mind my ignores things for reasons
Ok so Overwatch was formed sometime in the crisis
and it took them around 5-7 years to end it
but then there were still omniums around fucking shit up
Like the one in Australia
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
Is that all
limpid agate
Overwatch shut down almost all the omniums. They did not shutdown the Russian Omnium (Russia did it themselves) and its unknown if they shutdown the underwater omnium (But considering it was active for 20 years its unlikely they did)
The Australian Government, as a sign of peace, gave the Outback Omnium to the omnics. This map the people who lived there very mad. They led a rebellion, and blew it up. This irridated the outback, and Junkertown was built from the ruins. This happened <15 years ago.
The Nigerian Omnium is also currently running. It is where the OR15s came from. It is not hostile.
The Russian Omnium woke up in the past year or so, which made Zarya drop her championship and join the army.
It is the only omnium to shut down that woke up hostile.
sacred hamlet
Ok like you said a few hours ago, Russia's and the underwater Omnium
Which is in Korea I believe
are still going
but what about the Omnium in King's row that got activated 10 years ago
showed in Uprising
was that one that woke up just like Russia's
out of nowhere
peak escarp
the area under the end point of King's Row is actually housing for omnics
peak escarp
omnic terrorists
peak escarp
I mean, all omnics come from an omnium, so I guess?
but they were just a small group of omnics
sacred hamlet
yeah but they certainly don't look like civilian-like omnics
i mean you have dogs
a fucking bomb
troopers
they all seem like something that came straight out of omniums
limpid agate
Ok. As far as we know, there was no Null Sector controlled Omnium trying to wage war against humanity
sacred hamlet
and by that point I thought all bastions were scrapped
limpid agate
If there was, things would have been a lot worse.
sacred hamlet
so we don't know where they came from
limpid agate
And it wouldnt be over at just blowing up the ones in London
peak escarp
it isn't said where they came from
sacred hamlet
Just says here the Null Sector group was just a bunch of omnics trying to take over London, create an Omnic ruled City and achieve Omnic rights
Still doesn't make sense where they gathered all of those Bomb Omnics, Bastions (that should've been all scrapped ages ago) and OR-14s
Must have been fabricated somewhere else before the attack
So, a hidden Omnium.
sacred hamlet
And half of those were dedicated to deciding if a guy shot in the guts with a Shotgun is worthy enough to live and end up becoming a Hero
long ermine
lol what
sacred hamlet
Nothing
regal coyote
@limpid agate how many omniums in russia area do we know?
The ones surely in full function seems to be : numbani (good toasters), Korean udnersea (bad toasters), Russians (good and bad toasters both?)
the last interview seem to confirm russiang get help from one type of omnic to fight against another ypic of omnic
so omnic have types, and maybe each omnium is like a tribe or something
how active is the english omnium?
and judging from american omnics can be quite civil maybe the omnium there is ok too?
steep epoch
)
regal coyote
not true
inactive omnium means it is inert or turned off
tht one in aussie outback is, different
it si not inactive.
you dont call a cat inactive after your put it through the meatgrinder either
junkertown was the omnium, that thing blew up and is utterly destroyed.
you cant really activate it or repair it in that state
long ermine
so you're saying that something that isnt active
isnt inactive
a destroyed omnium is an inactive omnium
its not active
not active = inactive
If I put a cat through a meatgrinder I might not call it inactive, but I sure as fuck wouldn't call it active
You wouldn't call an omnium dead
thats completely semantic, its an inactive fuckn omnium lol
regal coyote
i am saying it is a gross extreme understatement calling it inactive
it is like saying a roast chicken having breathing problems
worthy rose
gross as in disgusting or gross as in size?
regal coyote
both
worthy rose
then why super ultra mega redundant? lol
regal coyote
outback omnium is destroyed
outback omnium is no more! it has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-OMNIUM!! @long ermine
worthy rose
so they ded you is saying?
worthy rose
On how many in Russia, correct? Not sure but large enough to have a response against them.
regal coyote
worthy rose
ess nice photo
regal coyote
a rough way to say it is that if there was only a single omnium, then with such vicious attack the russian most likely would have resorted to destroying it and accepting the fallout, it is still better off.
not doing that would most likely mean there is mroe than one russian omnium
also what to think of the photo
the new ptr version
regal coyote
worthy rose
lmao lemme ping you side-by-side since you can pasta here
I did the thing if you want to copy and paste it here
worthy rose
ty!!! 😃 (means a lot to me)
worldly flax
another angle
worthy rose
@worldly flax ty and nice!!!
regal coyote
i cant see any reason to be a reverse cowgirl in this
if anything this is a pod for either an omnic or some monkey
unlikely to have space creature as character next
we have a hamster hammond with a fucking retarded name to start with in the last hero, not this one. something else for now
worthy rose
nice
feral lintel
it doesn't look like that compartment can hold a big glowing cube, though
long ermine
definitely can, the white bit in game is about the size of orisa iirc
smaller than I remembered, but still would fit that cube
copper moat
So. Did ya'll find out what was in the payload
regal coyote
@limpid agate in that case, so the omnics are fighting amongst each other in the SAME omnium then?
wow
copper moat
Is omnium a power source?
nova elbow
omniums are omnic factories
regal coyote
well if there is a SINGLE omnium in russia in siberia.
then an operation of blowing it up is still viable actually
siberia is sparsely populated, sort of like outback
so a special final solution to the russian problem might be indeed a oncentrated strike force to blow that thing up
timid eagle
Yeah, then you have to deal with the area being filled to the brim with nuclear radiation.
Cowboy diplomacy isn’t always the best option.
sacred hamlet
Wasn't the Australian Omnium Incident just a small explosion though
A small radioactive piece of land shouldn't matter that much
long ermine
big enough to radiate a large portion of the outback, small enough to leave a structure intact
timid eagle
Basically, yeah.
But I’m certain that no country wants this to be the outcome.
So an EMP is the much more sound option.
Disable the machines long enough to dismantle the core components of the omnium, safely take the nuclear reactor out, then you can blow up the rest.
timid eagle
Russia had never trusted or wanted help from the organization, even back in its prime.
Zarya has several voice lines when she eliminates an Overwatch agent that further enforced this.
pearl blade
Did Russia start hating omnics before the crisis or was it a result of that?
timid eagle
From my understanding, it was because of the crisis.
sacred hamlet
Result of Omincs fucking up her home
Seriously though was Zarya even alive when the Ominc Crisis occurred
She mentions hating Ominics because of the destruction of her home
But the only attacks on Russia have been on the First Omnic Crisis and the reactivation of Russia's Omnium
timid eagle
She’s 28. So, a child of the crisis, and she had to live through the aftermath. Her home was smack on the firing line.
That was the motivation for her to go into weightlifting.
As a kid, she was surrounded by the post-war destruction, and as she grew older, she swore that she would gain the strength to help her people recover.
sacred hamlet
Wouldn't it be a better idea to become a soldier
Weightlifting seems more like some hobby or passion she took
And the awakening of the Omincs led her to leaving it to protect her country
Probably didn't know she'd fight again
I mean
Fight in the first place
timid eagle
“Focusing on weightlifting and bodybuilding, Aleksandra was identified by the national athletics program as a potential star. She trained extensively, moving up the ranks while representing her country, and was expected to shatter longstanding records in the upcoming world championships.
But on the eve of the tournament, an attack came from the long-dormant Siberian omnium, and her village was thrust into war once again. Aleksandra immediately withdrew from the competition and rushed home to enlist in the local defense forces, sacrificing the life of fame and fortune she might have had.”
sacred hamlet
See
Sacrificed her dream to fight for her country
Pretty sure she never thought she's fight Omnics at all
timid eagle
Her whole motivation to become beefy was so she could protect those who couldn’t.
I mean, unlike for most of the world, Russia was in continuous conflict with the Omnics.
sacred hamlet
Really
'Cause I thought the Omnium located in Russia had only activated itself again 1 year ago
In the current timeline at least
timid eagle
Well, the fighting had never ceased in Russia.
sacred hamlet
So I don't see how those conflicts happened between Russia and the Omnics if there were no more to fight
timid eagle
Yeah, about that.
sacred hamlet
Unless Russia enslaved Omnics and used the same system in King's Row
timid eagle
Remember about Overwatch being the thing that helped most nations keeping the crazy robots in check? Either due to pride or whatever, Russia refused outside help.
So, they never did eliminate their Omnic problem.
Contained it, but never fully eradicate.
sacred hamlet
So Russia went through multiple rebellions and terrorist attacks
timid eagle
More like military conflicts and skirmishes.
We don’t know if they had to deal with Omnic terrorist attacks.
sacred hamlet
So you're saying the Omnics left from the old Omnium went into hiding
Or maybe took some piece of Russia's land
regal coyote
from waht we know from the last interview. they say "one type of omnic is helping russian humans to fight against another type" or soemthing like that
so it makes me feel as if mroe than one omnium exist
timid eagle
Pretty much. Biding their time and waiting for the moment in which they could flourish.
regal coyote
and as said it is in siberia, so it is sparsely populated to say the least
it is a place where they used to run prison camp without real guard structure
the outside is empty enough escapeee is either dead, or they willingly goes back
lean prawn
there's plenty of omniums around the world
sacred hamlet
So there are Omnics in Russia's military
But Russia still hates Omnics
and there's conflicts
And yes there are plenty of Omniums around the world.
cunning ledge
Why would there be Omnics in the Russian Military?
sacred hamlet
But according to sources
regal coyote
we dont know if there is omnic in military
lean prawn
Siberia and Anubis omniums
sacred hamlet
Nah
regal coyote
wrong
lean prawn
what's the second one?
regal coyote
at least the undersea omnium in korea is active
sacred hamlet
Which is currently in a war with Russia itself
lean prawn
did they confirm it to be an omnium?
regal coyote
isnt the one in numbani active too
sacred hamlet
Yes
regal coyote
even though it is friendly
sacred hamlet
Probably
lean prawn
thought it was just a big robot
regal coyote
yes korean sea is omnium
we dont knwo the status of the american one
but seeing it is friendly with omnic that one may have been functioning
not just big robot from korea, the ones we see are not big. There is one gigantic one, and some small ones
sacred hamlet
So 6 omniums
1 in Nigeria is currently responsible for the construction of OR-15s. The good boys.
regal coyote
it is funny that the danger island we call aussie is now the safest place on earth having no omnium and is isolated
lean prawn
confirmed six or are there more that we don't know about?
regal coyote
probably more
sacred hamlet
East China's Underwater one builds big robots of death and the flying seekers in D.Va's short
regal coyote
we have: siberia, activated, bad boy
regal coyote
korean sea, activated, bad boy
lean prawn
danger island is also irradiated and full of what are essentially giant robot-riding barbarians
regal coyote
numbani, activated good boy.
sacred hamlet
And Russia's Omnium just woke up from its slumber
It builds bad boys that go on war with Russia
regal coyote
aussie, destroyed, ggez
so 4 accounted for
europe have at least one, and is deactivated
lean prawn
anubis
regal coyote
is anubis an AI or omium?
regal coyote
^
regal coyote
likely cases: at least one american omnium activated.
detroit is destroyed
so 6 known omnium
sacred hamlet
actually no I think it's just 5
regal coyote
2 destroyed, 1 inactive, 3 active (1 good 2 bad)
sacred hamlet
Nigeria, Russia, America, one underwater near China
and Australia
Which is now Junkertown
regal coyote
also one deactivated in europe we knwo of at least
frosty shell
There must've been a a European omnium given how much destruction happened there (I assume, at least)
I think I heard something about there being Omniums on all continents
Also, I theorize the reason why the Australian omnium's destruction caused irradiation is because it melted down
a la Chernobyl
regal coyote
but consider junkertown is built on the ruins of ground zero it aint too bad
worthy rose
I want zenyatta origin animation, it will reveal a lot about what the iris is and how omnics are made and stuff
quasi fern
peak escarp
he has the least number of lore appearances out of any hero
timid eagle
I do want to know more about The Iris.
I keep thinking it's an element that is going to throw the world out of alignment.
Or something that is going to change the power dynamic.
craggy thistle
So.....hero 29?
valid shell
@craggy thistle Yes that is the next hero number.
valid shell
No idea. There haven't been any substantial hints.
Named characters include: Sanjay Korpal, Maximilien, Junkertown Queen, Lynx Seventeen, etc.
But none of them have been teased recently.
peak escarp
they're all real
they all exist in the OW universe
they're all based on real-world locations too
peak escarp
the Australian Outback and the Moon are real-world locations
sure they don't have anything built there
but they exist
valid shell
Numbani is probably just savannah right now, but the location does exist.
peak escarp
locations like those are more conceptual than some of the others
but none of the maps are 1 to 1 with their real world counterparts anyway
long ermine
Every map in game is as it is in lore
Or did they mean like real places I’m confused
hasty surge
I mean
long ermine
Petra and Hollywood are the only ones I think
timid eagle
Yeah. I mean, the London tower isn't close to any theater house or hotel that I know of.
long ermine
That are based on an actual place and somewhat similar
There are some that are more inspired by real life areas
hasty surge
Ilios and Rialto are real too
long ermine
I said Petra was real
And that ilios place isn’t called ilios. It’s just some place in Greece. It’s inspired after that place but it’s not explicitly that place
Same thing with Rialto and Venice
hasty surge
hmm
long ermine
I’m sure you can find a shanty town in the outback, or a futuristic home in a mountain, that doesn’t mean that Junkertown and the Watchpoint at Gibraltar are real
I know Gibraltar is real before you say that
We know Petra is Petra because of the name and the obvious copies
We know Hollywood is Hollywood because of the sign and the Chinese theatre
With some design choices ofc c
Iirc there’s a lot of places called Dorado in the Southern US and Mexico, or El Dorado
I don’t think it’s based off of a particular one
peak escarp
there you go
seriously, people need to watch this panel
he covers so much good worldbuilding
dire timber
halloween lore when
feral lintel
what do you mean?
frosty shell
Hanamura also isn't a real Japanese neighborhood
None of the maps correspond to 100% real locations
Which I'm going to have to live with
Temple of Anubis is presumably in Giza
Also, a lot of people seem to think with no real evidence that "god programs" are associated with archaeological sites
First off, god programs besides Anubis were probably retconned out of existence
Also, how would AIs have gotten to Petra or Ilios?
Admittedly, Anubis does live in the area around Giza
regal coyote
always thought anubis is imprisoned in a structure there, and not some awakened ancient thing
granted, there is ancient statue looking robot/whatever guarding the area
but i am 99% sure there is no ancient alien robot or shit like that in overwatch.
not sure why choose that place as the prison. My guess is that there was a research facility there, and was originally run by ow
so when helix took over all they do is to keep stuff contained, as helix is not research company
frosty shell
It is strange why they made it look like a temple
peak escarp
they probably just repurposed a temple that was already there
frosty shell
I know a lot of people assumed Athena was a god program from Ilios
but as I've said, I don't think we'll hear much more about "god programs" from the lore
Given what Chu said
peak escarp
I don't think Athena is anything more than Gibraltar's base AI
frosty shell
yes
peak escarp
the name might be a coincidence, or maybe it's popular to name AI after deities
Orisa is almost named after deities
pure kernel
Noice
peak escarp
I had a theory that the reason Pharah knows Anubis as a "God program" is because Ana told her the story of Overwatch quarantining them when she was younger, and that was the term Ana used to describe it
A simple way to explain it to a child without getting into the technical details
pure kernel
Try explaining it n the forums
peak escarp
there isn't really anything to support that theory though
unless we find out that Overwatch quarantined the AI when Pharah was a child
"after the Omnic Crisis" is pretty vague
Fareeha would have been about 7 when it ended
pure kernel
inb4 it gets retconned
peak escarp
don't think of it as retcons - think of it as clarification
cedar moon
Is Athena damaging soldier in the tutorial canon
peak escarp
no
limpid agate
The tutorial is not canon at all
pure kernel
Lul
pearl blade
Is the area that the tutorial happened in canon tho?
limpid agate
Maybe
dire timber
@peak escarp that sounds probable
esp. since Reyes seems to know something about Anubis that Helix doesn't
it would make sense that Ana would also
frosty shell
My fan theory/handwave as to why there Pharah said there were multiple "god programs" is that she mixed up God Programs with Omniums
like the fans do
I think everybody calls Anubis "a God Program"
But it might just be Anubis that gets called that
Her calling Anubis a God Program isn't that weird - Anubis was named after a god and is super-powerful, after all
sacred hamlet
That sounds dumb
If there's multiple omniums that haven't been explored in the world of Overwatch with the exception of the 6 we already know
Who's to say there isn't a bunch of God AIs spread around the globe
limpid agate
@sacred hamlet God AIs are not a thing
sacred hamlet
I was referring to the god programs
limpid agate
God Programs are also not a big deal.
sacred hamlet
But they exist
So that's a thing
And well they do corrupt Omincs
But it's not like we'll see the full potential and threat of that when Comics are being pumped out every 2 years
Very sad
limpid agate
They is just Anubis
sacred hamlet
We not know that
limpid agate
We do know that God Program is a colloquial term for Anubis
And not an actual group of AIs
Its literally just Anubis.
sacred hamlet
Honestly where do you get all that Info
pretty sure I've read this stupid comid 5 times in the past and never saw it as a term
sacred hamlet
I'm a little salty to receive source information from Chu
But baffled to remember he was the one who wrote all of this in the first place
So is Anubis just a hivemind network thingy and that's it
You corrupt it, you corrupt everything else
Sounds really advanced for just one to exist
there must be more like it out there
limpid agate
As far as we know, Anubis is one of a kind
There may be other powerful AIs, but it is unreasonable to assume they are anything like Anubis
sacred hamlet
Is Anubis really refered to as one of a kind
And again, Pharah did say "one of the god programs"
Anubis is just refered as a god program by them
If Anubis is just one out of many super advanced programs
It's pretty obvious that there's plenty more out there that could be as advanced as Anubis
limpid agate
There may be other powerful AIs, but it is unreasonable to assume they are anything like Anubis
Even if there are other powerful AIs
peak escarp
it's weird to not like getting lore from the guy whose job it is to write the lore
limpid agate
Who says they are like Anubis?
Are all founders of Overwatch like Soldier 76?
Are all Blackwatch Members like Genji?
Are all the Junkers like Roadhog?
Assuming there are more similar AIs.
Who says they are anything like Anubis
sacred hamlet
well she did classify them as advanced AIs
they could and could not be like anubis
and i'm willing to think they could be just as advanced as Anubis
overwatch's world is so unexplored that you kinda have to wonder a bit about these things
not enough info to go around
peak escarp
I think a lot of people overlook the fact that "god programs" is in quotations
to me that implies that "god programs" is someone else's term for it, and Pharah is just repeating it
sacred hamlet
yes
and around the world they are named something else and plenty more of them exist
limpid agate
Plenty more of what
sacred hamlet
whether they're all the same thing or not around parts of the globe is yet to be explored
Plenty more Advanced AIs
limpid agate
And who says they are around the world?
sacred hamlet
Like Anubis
limpid agate
Who says its not just a bunch in Egypt
limpid agate
You cant make that assumption with certainty
All we know for sure about God Programs is
Its a colloquial name, and Anubis is one
If its a colloquial name that's pluralized, its more likely there are multiple in Egypt than around the world
sacred hamlet
and I do think technology this advanced that works as a network for omnics and AI is too good for just one part of the world to have it
peak escarp
"God program" could just mean "AI"
sacred hamlet
more must have been made
peak escarp
of any type
sacred hamlet
Yes
god program is what pharah's people call it
Could be called anything else out there
And I think it could be classified as just a really Advanced AI
Or a Network for Omnics
Or Hivemind
errant void
So I was rewatching Mei's short, Rise and Shine. What is the anomaly Mei is talking about? She says she could save millions of lives with the data collected, but I've never heard anything else about this "anomaly"
errant void
I gathered as much, but how could that save millions of lives? Is it just storm research?
limpid agate
Same way research in the ice caps melting can save lives
Weather can effect the world on a global scale, if its sufficiently bad
Earthquakes in one country are tsunamis in another
errant void
Hmmm, okay, that makes sense, thanks
white cobalt
@limpid agate there is a weird leak, dunno if is true https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452107910324027394/505941422483046419/Screenshot_20181027-205511.png
I mean, dunno if I was discussed here
white cobalt
I wonder was what the basis for the nemesis hero
limpid agate
Nothing
Call Down Nuke
Regeneration
This is incredibly silly
Especially if they are making another Kerrigan skin.
Or sending too many characters to fight McCree in Dorado
Deadlock + Reaper + SOmbra + some new presumeably Talon OC?
white cobalt
Yeah, the dva skin was the one when I started to doubt, but I was curious for that "affirmation" on the 29
sacred hamlet
by the way that nemesis makes no sense
white cobalt
But oh well
sacred hamlet
and i doubt we're receiving an overwatch skin straight from hots
limpid agate
Full leak
sacred hamlet
fallen junkrat isn't even inspired on anything in particular as far as i know
i remember the leaks from april this year
maxmillion on july, junkerqueen on blizzcon, cinematic involving all heroes
shit ain't happening
especially considering their focus right now, which isn't lore
limpid agate
I didnt even read this one
Unlock PvE... Through loot boxes
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Holy shit
Thats the dumbest thing Ive heard of
white cobalt
Yup, that's looks very unprofitable too
sacred hamlet
we're still getting diablo 4 right
i heard about some stuff already being set on blizzcon
limpid agate
Is the link of what they said
3 projects
This leaker took that
And invented 3 projects
sacred hamlet
well maybe next decade
Back to hoping that Junkerqueen is our 29th hero that ideally uses a flamethrower given by Blizzard after generously taking back their "No Fire Class" rule that they magically invented 'cause cooking flesh bad.
By the way it's gonna be a flamethrower.
Beat it.
regal coyote
@limpid agate of all those, only nonseasonal PVE is probable.
Back there was old voicelines unused that suggest some kind of Player vs Machine type that can happen
Probably just a mode where you shoot stuff and compare scores, os see how long it takes.
limpid agate
only nonseasonal PVE is probable
Are you suggesting
Free PvE locked behind lootboxes
Is probable
regal coyote
It does make sense in a way, it is not lore related, simple missions, and does not eat into the playerbase being soemthing arcade. but not lore related, unless you think defending some small object from destruction is lore
Behind lootbox stuff is idiotic
limpid agate
Nonseasonal PvE is probable
Ive been saying that for a long time now
But this specific application
Is laughable
regal coyote
indeed
peak escarp
they aren't going to hide gameplay behind loot boxes
regal coyote
also, if anything a mode for shooting bots is good, like a shooting range upgraded. we all know the training room need upgrades
rain moss
lootboxes are strictly cosmetic and they open themselves up to a lot of criticism the second they add gameplay elements behind them
regal coyote
they will never hide gameplay behind lootbox
peak escarp
if they are going to do unlockable PvE missions, it will be unlocked by completing the previous mission
regal coyote
even the more scummy company dont do that
peak escarp
I've always kinda hoped they'd overhaul the tutorial - the game is too complex for the current tutorial
regal coyote
nah the turotial is fine
peak escarp
but that's not lore
regal coyote
tutorial is jsut to get them understand basic system of this game.
they should let new players run a few bot battles, you knwo that exist right, vs AI.
just to see the map
what i would say is though,t hey can make the turorial lore, by setting player as a new recruit
which means a new hero as the first NEW member of the new overwatch
it makes sense story wise too
but that would be in the future when new overwatch is formed
narrow nymph
@limpid agate I knew some electrical netting sounded familiar, that bria mechanic is being quietlly regurgitated
limpid agate
Yup
limpid agate
Its also
Buck from paladins
With a different gun/ult
This leak is fake
Nemesis does not exist
narrow nymph
Nemesis could come off as a ripoff character as with Brigitte & that other paladins hero, but will likely be left to the vapour-chamber and rumor mill again for blizzcon 2019
narrow nymph
not sure how to word it, to be honest
but I'll come back to this if a hero of this description is released in the next 12 months
limpid agate
It doesnt matter if its released as hero 30 or 31 or 32
If its not 29, like this leak claims
Its fake
narrow nymph
agreed
narrow nymph
nonsense to believe junkerqueen for the nth time this year
limpid agate
Junkerqueen has only had a chance for 29
27 and 28 she had no chance
Well, 27 she had a curious chance because the release date for that hero was on Junkertown
But she has been the most likely hero for 29 since Hammond's first teaser.
narrow nymph
she wouldn't have a chance, maybe to become lore-enhancing to tie in hammond or roadhog to their history in junkertown
if I want to put a number down as all speculation points to her, like doomfist during development, being a character they develop into a playable hero
I'd give it a 35
narrow nymph
it's just a number
if the cycle is broken and we get fewer or more heroes
that's up to the passing of time and progress
limpid agate
Every hero thusfar has been teased in the 4 months prior to their reveal. Even Moira/Orisa, contrary to people believing they came out of thin air.
Junkerqueen appearing on a poster in Hammond's teaser was a hint towards her becoming a candidate for 29
While too many people on Reddit tried to preach it was hero 28 teasers, like how too many people think the suddenly McCree short means we are getting a Deadlock hero
Blizzard is, at the very least, consistent
Even the events are more or less consistent, despite people saying the quality dropped.
Junkerqueen is far from having no chance
You are welcome to argue that you think someone else is more likely, but she is far from unlikely
Even ignoring all that, she is still one of the three characters with the most potential to become a hero ever
Other two being Maximillien and Sanjay.
narrow nymph
This conversation got good
And I'm about have dinner so I'll get to this soon™
I wouldn't turn down junkerqueen and maximillen
Both have really good spots in the comics
Max doesn't seem to be anything but the stealthy omnic type from his appearance
limpid agate
Max has held a top position in Talon, an organization that seems to have a decent infighting turnover, for at least 8 years
Im sure he is capable of something we havent seen yet
Sanjay is part of Vishkar and Talon. He could be some business end, but he could also be capable of something more. He bombed Brazil, but we didnt ever learn how. And with how Vishkar tech works, he has the potential to be literally anything.
And the Queen is a very prominent former mech champion with a whole armory at her disposal
long ermine
@limpid agate do you have any thoughts about the Route 66 change?
raw glen
Wait, why do the venice businessman soldiers have abilities of Reaper, Tracer, Genji, etc.?
long ermine
they don't do they?
raw glen
Blizzard aren't the ones to pull a lazy butt, right?
raw glen
Dude, rewatch Retribution
They can wraith.
They absolutely can wraith.
That sniper wraithed into the battlefield
long ermine
its been a while since retribution, you want to just answer my questions instead of being condescending? 😂
They're talon soldiers not just the business guys
raw glen
If only I could send pictures
long ermine
genji doesnt have any abilities that would be weird for anyone else, its just agility mainly
raw glen
Rewatch the retribution trailer
The one scene that made me go like "Wait, but isn't that Moira's experiment on Reyes thing?"
Starting 1:17
That ninja sticking to the walls like Genji and blinking like Tracer and that sniper using Widowmaker's sniper rifle model and wraithing in like Reaper
long ermine
ninja sticking to the walls isnt a weird ability, both hanzo and genji can, its just agility
raw glen
What about other abilities?
long ermine
im getting to it
raw glen
Wraith is something only Moira achieved on Reyes
long ermine
blinking like tracer could also be agility, or technology. we've seen it before, its not impossible
ie; sombra translocator and tracers blink. "I know you stole it"
raw glen
Then we have wraith. Once again, Moira is the first and only to give someone that ability
long ermine
same technology
Can you just let me talk dude
Im getting to it
Widows sniper rifle model isnt a huge deal. it's a talon weapon, hence why widow has it. makes sense for this sniper to have one similar
As for wraith, I'm not sure. It could just be a gameplay mechanic that was overlooked, or talon already had the BASIC technology for it
long ermine
I mean talon is a very succesful organisation with lots of monetary backing, even before moira
shes just a scientist. other scientists exist
moira may have just perfected it
raw glen
And I mean
Moira is one of Blackwatch to hate the Overwatch
And she was THE shadiest one, wanting to be a secret Blackwatch operative
long ermine
if youre going to assume she was a double agent, theres no backing for it
no evidence either way
long ermine
or it could be nothing shady, just the shit I said
not everything has to be a conspiracy
raw glen
And even then, Reyes's plan was to capture the businessman dude, not murder him
And we're shown Reyes who already got his wraith ability from Moira
What could stop her from messing with that ability to achieve her goals? She hated overwatch and the public growing suspicious of its actions would only play into her hands
long ermine
you're speculating too much imo, nothing of this has evidence
raw glen
And she also smiles when Gabriel shoots the guy
errant void
So, now that Sombra is aware Volskya sent someone to capture her, what's the likelihood of her keeping the promise of releasing the images of her recieving her mech-technology from the Omnics?
errant void
What do you mean? The Omnic Crisis is pretty important to the continuation of the story
steep epoch
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peak escarp
the story has gone forward about a year since Recall, in bits and pieces
sacred hamlet
Wasn't Zarya's comic the most recent occurrence in Overwatch
I believe it goes like Alive - Recall - Infiltration and then that nasty comic
We really haven't moved that much of an inch
limpid agate
do you have any thoughts about the Route 66 change?
@long ermine Yes, its for the short and nothing more
peak escarp
Recall - Alive - Old Soldiers - Infiltration - Searching/Masquerade (Searching happens over several months/half a year, while Masquerade happens over about 2 months in Jan/Feb of the year after Recall)
sacred hamlet
Good job Chu
Moving an inch in the span of almost 3 years has never felt so good
Also do we have any proof of when the
You know, garbage
Cinematic fits in the timeline
(It's Shooting Stars starring D.Va)
peak escarp
Shooting Star wasn't garbage
sacred hamlet
Dude would you like to sugarcoat me too
peak escarp
it gave us good insight into her real personality, and showed us the rest of MEKA
sacred hamlet
'Cause I love sugar
peak escarp
anyway
limpid agate
I hated it, but it was not garbage
peak escarp
the news report at the end has "Thursday 19" in the top right corner in Korean
limpid agate
Meka + Gwishin is still interesting world building
sacred hamlet
I mean, we saw the rest of MEKA that we already knew the existence of
peak escarp
sacred hamlet
and we also already knew that D.Va was some dedicated savior of her people
does 2076 mean it's the most recent one yet
limpid agate
No
sacred hamlet
Ok so it could have happened between 2073-2076 right
D.Va's currently 19 and she only became a MEKA Pilot when she was around 17 or something
sacred hamlet
I believe she was recruited while she was around 16-17
peak escarp
so my guess is the short takes place the same year as Recall, since that is being used as the benchmark for "today"
you know a source for that?
sacred hamlet
Nah nevermind
"Top stars were drafted, including the 19-year-old Song,"
So she was recruited when she was 19
she's still 19
and it still 2076 and her cinematic happened while she was 19
Unless some dumbass worded her age poorly
sacred hamlet
so is she 20 then
limpid agate
No
If you get recruited in September 2076 and then Shooting Star happens in August 2077, and your birthday is September 2077
She would be 19 still
We dont know when things happened exactly
We can just make a general idea that she was in MEKA for less than a year, but close to it since she has hella experience
sacred hamlet
How do we know her birthday again
limpid agate
We dont
I am suggesting that, for her to be 19 when recruited, and 19 in the present
Then her birthday is not in her MEKA tenure
ANd she hasnt been there for a full year
peak escarp
I'd like to know their birthdays
or at the very least, I'd like to know Orisa's birthday
since that one happens post-recall and can be used to sort out the timeline
sacred hamlet
2 months since her creation
peak escarp
I've narrowed it down to late March/early April, based on the article about Doomfist breaking out (which says he attacked the airport 3 months after he broke out) and Masquerade (which implies he broke out in late January/early February)
but if her birthday is different then either my whole timeline is off or someone at Blizzard wasn't keeping track
sacred hamlet
So... how does Orisa's birthday help with all of this
peak escarp
if we know she was born/built in March/April, it more or less confirms the my timeline
if she was born/built some other month, I would need to adjust my timeline for that
Orisa is built as a result of Doomfist attacking the Numbani airport and Efi being there to witness it
sacred hamlet
So your timeline confirms Recall happened in 2076 around March April
peak escarp
around there, yes
here's the timeline, with reasoning behind each date
and a color code based on how certain I am of those dates
it's also made with the assumption that Recall happens in 2076 - if it turns out to be a different year, some dates based on calendar days or full moons will change
sacred hamlet
wtf dude you made this timeline ⁉
I made this timeline :))
So Zarya really is our most current piece of Lore
And that happened 1 year ago
Very sad
peak escarp
the lack of comics really hurt in terms of how much lore we get
I hope they're going to do something about that
sacred hamlet
Imagine struggling to make 11 page comics for a multi billionaire game
Nice Blizzard
peak escarp
there's something going on higher up at Blizzard that we don't know about
they have a reason for not releasing any comics except Retribution this year
limpid agate
The real curious part is not only 1 comic
Its that it isnt even supported by their comic viewer
sacred hamlet
Explain
Wait did they even release a Retribution comic this year
Oh wait they did
My only theory is that they're going full Overwatch 2.0 like they did with Hots
and we're gonna start getting tons of lore, comics, cinematics and content
Or basically nothing
peak escarp
the addition of the Story Discussion section on the forum makes me think they're going to give us something to discuss pretty soon
sacred hamlet
Yes, the new Cinematic on Blizzcon that probably won't be any good.
Unless there's Hammond in it
Then we're talking
limpid agate
It will most likely be McCree
sacred hamlet
- Hammond
peak escarp
why
sacred hamlet
And Jewvia what do you mean with your previous comment
limpid agate
Route 66 map changes + Blizzcon poster = McCree most likely candidate
sacred hamlet
"OW viewers don't support their comics"
limpid agate
Thats not what I said
sacred hamlet
Then explain what you mean
limpid agate
Here, go read Retribution
http://comic.playoverwatch.com
peak escarp
the link on the comic page just brings up the pdf
the other comics open in a fancy comic reader format
sacred hamlet
It brings up the Mei vs Yeti thing for me
peak escarp
if you select "issues" on the left
sacred hamlet
Ok, but what's the point in reading retribution again
sacred hamlet
It's a comic and it tells a story
limpid agate
Exactly
peak escarp
it's not listed
limpid agate
Retribution is not supported by their comic viewer
sacred hamlet
D: wtf
peak escarp
they didn't make a motion comic version of it either 😦
timid eagle
That's a shame.
Still wonder why they've bothered with creating a lore sub-section on the official forums.
limpid agate
They might have something worth announcing
timid eagle
I doubt it.