Brigitte: Bastion, how are you liking that new armour Papa made for you?
#lore-discussion
valid shell
limpid agate
Its implied Torbjorns repairs were his default skin
frank gorge
alright
valid shell
Either way, Torbjorn was responsible for both Overgrown and classic Bastion, to different degrees.
limpid agate
copper moat
What is that thar?
frank gorge
the blizzard world ad is canon, right?
frank gorge
that would imply torbjorn joined recalled OW and brought bastion with him
valid shell
Everyone who's there COULD canonically be together at this point, but we don't know for sure.
limpid agate
Thats why its a debated topic
copper moat
Thats new.
frank gorge
idk about torb joining the recall
he doesn't have any lines about it
it's canon that bastion travels with him, but idk about him joining recall
copper moat
Yea, he doesn't based on any i have seen. But maybe bastion followed torb?..
valid shell
Winston, Tracer, Reinhardt, Brigitte, and Mei are all bound to rendezvous. Torbjorn, Bastion, and Genji are all up in the air.
limpid agate
He probably would, given this, Destroyer, and the fact that his family pretty much joined up.
valid shell
Bastion being in OW would help to erase the anti-Omnic stigma.
Tracer would be about it.
copper moat
Lol is he not in overwatch?
copper moat
Like some characters are from talon.
And other organizations. Is bastion from overwatch, or where is he from?
valid shell
No.
frank gorge
i dont understand the ending of Dragons
valid shell
The whole "Everyone is OW or Talon" thing is false. There's plenty of neutral characters.
frank gorge
when genji encourages hanzo to choose a side, is he referring to recalled OW?
copper moat
Yea. Do we know if hanzo is in overwatch? I dont think he is
valid shell
Hanzo is currently unaligned, but several Talon members have tried to recruit him and his father, so it's likely he won't be able to be neutral forever.
@copper moat No.
frank gorge
hanzo is unaligned, talon wants him currently
copper moat
Okay.
copper moat
Seeing hanzo in talon would be weird. It would show time
frank gorge
..buying a cake
limpid agate
Yep 😂
limpid agate
most heroes arent
copper moat
Yea i see.
frank gorge
actually orisa is inspired by OW (reinhardt in particular)
iron plume
not really?
copper moat
Is that proven
frank gorge
yes really
orisa's interactions with overwatch members implies that she looks up to them
limpid agate
Overwatch was:
Soldier 76, Ana, Reaper, Rein, and Torbjorn - Founders
McCree - Joined ~20 years ago
Mercy - Joined some time later.
Winston - Joined 13-10 years ago
Mei - Was never an agent, joined >10 years ago
Moira/Genji - Joined <10 years ago
Tracer - Joined 7 years ago
copper moat
Okay but it goes back to efi. Did efi make her to be with overwatch?
limpid agate
No
frank gorge
no
limpid agate
Efi built her to protect Numbani
iron plume
inspired in that sense, maybe
frank gorge
you forgot
copper moat
See? Then i dont think orisa is inspired by overwatch. In the origin. I dont think overwatch was mentioned
iron plume
but her design was more influenced by zarya than anyone in ow
frank gorge
the devs say there was another founder called Liao
frank gorge
but we know nothing about this character who apparently was one of the founders
limpid agate
I also left out Mirembe/Kimiko/Emre
frank gorge
thanks bliz
limpid agate
And Gerard
frank gorge
we also have several members mentioned in comics and the cinematic trailer
frank gorge
soundquake, psyblade
frank gorge
i think those 2 were names of heroes from project titan
limpid agate
Psyblade is not canon
frank gorge
soundquake had chest missiles apparently
and we never heard of that character again
but i guess it makes the world of OW more believable
limpid agate
And we never will
frank gorge
that there were heroes with unique names and abilities
limpid agate
Its just fluff names to make it feel like a large organization filled with heroes
The only ones who have a chance in the near future are
Liao (who was probably retconned out of existence)
Emre (who has no lore and was just a throwaway name for White Dome)
Fio (Blackwatch Pilot that was not even named in game)
Of those we know.
every one is less relevant, and even these 3 arent that important right now
frosty shell
Here's what that Saudi thing was about
In real life, A Saudi robot named Sophia was granted citizenship
fallow cipher
I like to see in ow , a hero that can copy other ults or a melee stealth assasin that would be cool in my opinion
Like spy from tf2
fallow cipher
But it would be cool right?
copper moat
Yea i guess.
fallow cipher
I mean we only have a stealth hero sombra we need more!
copper moat
Hey guys! Is there any info on what happened to reapers face?
long ermine
@fallow cipher more for #overwatch-serious i think
or #overwatch
@copper moat all we know for certain is that its probably not nice to look at
long ermine
Not really
Ana wouldn't be scared of an omnic
and we've seen his face before, just not after he needed the mask
raw coral
iron plume
who would take his mask off?
his talon comrades don't want to piss him off
his enemies won't get close enough
inner nexus
I think he would look like a smoker because his arms are white so his face is probably like snoke from Star Wars and he probably has scars from the explosion
The more he uses his ability the more he becomes uglier
feral lintel
don't tell that to his fangirls, lol
white cobalt
nope, he is from LA
tough aurora
feral lintel
is reaper being latino confirmed, or is it just a popular theory?
because like, he could just have spanish (as in from spain) heritage instead
peak escarp
it's just a theory
feral lintel
i feel like the latter might be more likely, since he's so pale after becoming reaper
valid shell
@feral lintel Considering Pharah's Native American skins ended up being valid for her heritage, it's likely the same to Reaper's mariachi skins.
valid shell
Save for super peat black skin, most humans turn pale when they die.
Indians and Hispanics included.
feral lintel
well, i wouldn't know, but okay
long ermine
Him being Mexican was a mistake from me then, I wasn’t sure if he was from Texas or something but LA is a surprise
Anyway
He’s not white either way, we see his skin in Blackwatch Reyes, comics, and Soldier 24(if that’s canon)
pearl blade
He's Hispanic but from LA
peak escarp
Soldier 24 is canon
peak escarp
it's complicated
I'm not ever sure what the difference is
people use them interchangeably
"“Latino” refers to people of Latin American origin. This includes Brazil and excludes Spain. “Hispanic is basically based on whether you or your family speak the language of Spanish whereas Latino is focusing more on geographic location, that being Latin America,”"
we don't know if Reyes speaks Spanish, so it might be inaccurate to call him hispanic
peak escarp
idk
white cobalt
Because romance languages, latin america was a mix of diverses countries: Spain, Portugal, France
also
Latin America generally refers to territories in the Americas where the Spanish or Portuguese or French languages prevail: Mexico, most of Central and South America, and in the Caribbean, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Puerto Rico. Latin America is, therefore, defined as all those parts of the Americas that were once part of the Spanish, Portuguese and French Empires.[21] By this definition, Latin America is coterminous with Ibero-America ("Iberian America").
peak escarp
huh
white cobalt
So latino is a broad term 😄
Whereas anglo america refers to english speaking countries
peak escarp
so someone could be both hispanic and latina (Sombra), latino but not hispanic (Lucio) or hispanic but not latino (hypothetical person from Spain)
white cobalt
Yup
peak escarp
Reyes is unconfirmed on both fronts
white cobalt
Reyes could be latino
He is born and raised in USA, but he definitely have latino roots. His parents could be latinos with US citizenship through naturalization
timid eagle
On the PTR, both Torbjorn and McCree have voice lines on the Busann spawn room (with the karaoke bar), and they sound ridiculous. .
peak escarp
they're amazing
timid eagle
I’m not implying they aren’t. Torb droppin’ them bars!
But I love, regardless if its intentional or otherwise, that Rein, Torb, & McCree are horrible singers.
signal merlin
Have you heard Matt Mercer sing
In that kids show where he’s the elephant.
Means McCree is the best singer around
peak escarp
for some reason I read your comment to the tune of "Do you hear the people sing?"
timid eagle
On the PTR, have there been any little hints or goodies players have found on any of the maps?
peak escarp
only some voice lines, but I think those were in the live client
timid eagle
They added a tribute to Chris and Matt on the Blizzard World map.
It's really cool, and it can be found in the Starcraft part of the area.
timid eagle
It's really sweet.
I added a quick gallery, for those who don't have the PTR.
They have the studio's core philosophies in bronze plaques across the floor, the studio's three games when they went gold (Warcraft: Of Orcs and Humans, Diablo, and Starcraft), a timeline of the release of their games (sans Overwatch, for obvious reasons), and a letter Mike received from his parents when he was starting up the company.
It's a very heartfelt tribute to one of the studio's co-founders, and I want to wish Mike all the best. salute
timid eagle
Yeah, Diablo was my first video game.
I started choking up hearing that lovable dude talking about the company's history.
And seeing that card his parents given to him when he was starting up the company, along with the IOU from the investor/bank he received when getting a loan to start the company.
I know people hate this map, as some see it as a big cock stroke, but I personally think it's a loving tribute to the company.
And, having both of the founders immortalized in the game solidifies this. (Chris's Soldier: 76 and voicing Bastion, etc.)
Originally, I was exploring the maps on the PTR to see if they added any hints for the new hero, but discovering this tribute by accident was a shock to me.
peak escarp
yeah I was exploring maps too
but I didn't get to all of them because flying around in spectator mode was giving me a headache
timid eagle
A friend of mine found this on Nubani's airport spawn room.
This screen was glitching harder than before.
Otherwise, I haven't found anything.
limpid agate
It looks normal
flint briar
If you could add a bit of lore to a character, who and what would you add?
long ermine
Sombra, and who ‘found’ her
feral lintel
zenyatta, and absolutely anything
iron plume
aside from zen, what mercy is doing now and her reaction to new overwatch
errant void
Definitely Sombra.
chilly peak
this Eye conspiracy could be something like Burning Legion or Old Gods for Warcraft lore. Which is very long term enemy and we might not see development of this plot for a long time.
copper moat
Hey guys. New lore!
The Payload on Route 66 has changed!
I think sanjay is coming!
feral lintel
i don't see how sanjay has anything to do with route 66
iron plume
same
feral lintel
i'm thinking it's gonna be a brand new hero, perhaps. one we haven't seen before
iron plume
so far the only one we've never seen nor heard about before their teasers was Orisa
there's usually at least a cameo or mention
feral lintel
so? orisa doesn't have to be the only one
iron plume
it's unlikely
feral lintel
my theory is that they'll be someone affiliated with deadlock. maybe even someone from mccree's past
copper moat
Mhm. But wait, in moira's talon experience. She had a mech in the origin trailer. Sanjay is also from both talon and viskhar. (Light technology) i would say, talon stole what was ever in that mech payload, (could have been a core for a mech) and put it in sanjay's mech.
People want a talon tank, that's what that is.
copper moat
Also. Didn't mccree join blackwatch
pure kernel
Yes
limpid agate
I guess it will be a McCree short
copper moat
It's not a new map, we know that from a developer update. We are probably gonna get a new hero, and cinematic short
Those weren't ruled out
limpid agate
We are still getting the January map
They just aren't announcing it two months early
copper moat
Okay, :)
So, can we confirm it has to be something with mccree right?
Is mccree in talon or blackwatch? Or both?
copper moat
Okay. So moira is in blackwatch too.
pure kernel
Was
pure kernel
Yes
copper moat
So that payload thing. It looks like d.va's mech, or symmetra's technology. Or even a safe for a core of energy
pure kernel
I've seen speculations on a Talon tank or a former Deadlock gang member
But prob just a mccree cinematic
copper moat
Maybe. Talon does have a tank.
limpid agate
This will have nothing to do with hero 29
pearl blade
Maybe it's for the short that's coming up. Kinda like how the numbani payload changed before Orisa's stuff
copper moat
Okay thar 😅
I mean.. It could be tied in somehow but okay..
I'm just trying to figure it out.. 😶..
copper moat
Maybe, but last time they altered the map, (numbani) We got doomfist AND Orisa
No cinematic.
iron plume
the last time they altered a map was Hammond
iron plume
horizon rework included his room near point A
copper moat
Ohhhh. Okay, so that's two instances of having heroes after map alteration
copper moat
Yea, I see. It's probably a cinematic then. I see where you are coming from.
limpid agate
The last time they altered a map was Anubis
@iron plume it's too late for a hero tease
No it isn't
tired tinsel
Wasn't that just balance changing
limpid agate
Friday is the earliest we had in history
@tired tinsel Anubis changes were Shrike posters and Helix on the sandcrawler
iron plume
for the first small map one?
iron plume
the ones that are deliberately hero tease posts on twitter or the site, yeah, those come later
timid eagle
Can’t wait to see what the payload changes on Route 66 mean.
limpid agate
PTR is supposed to be hero 29 patch
iron plume
but map changes either came earlier or never
limpid agate
So anything there isn't a hint
Because it's already the same patch
We may get a hero teaser Friday
pure kernel
It's blizzcon tho, did we get hero teasers for Moira and Sombra?
iron plume
we had two months of teasers for sombra
pure kernel
Well, yes
tired tinsel
yeah but that was a special case
pure kernel
But a week before blizzcon
pure kernel
Care to share the link pls Jewv
tired tinsel
its gonna be more simular to moiras release
limpid agate
On mobile so no
pure kernel
:<
pure kernel
Oke
pure kernel
Danke, i guess we might get a teaser. Starting Friday(?)
limpid agate
DVas Starcraft profile was also the Friday before
Mei was the Monday on the same week
Genji/Moira got nothing
pure kernel
Hype!
copper moat
Oooh hype!
And it's about to be 3 months since hammond came out! I'm so excited to see this next hero
white cobalt
So no junker ouch
white cobalt
Oh, i was worried for a bit, that tiny change on route 66.
peak escarp
the short is usually not related to the new hero
the only time it was was for Sombra
frank gorge
new heroes usually only get an introduction
doomfist's was different because it was more of an animation
he also got a comic
then again, doomfist was heavily hyped by the community
limpid agate
His anime was his origin short
Sombr also got an animated origin short
Ana got comics
frank gorge
true
limpid agate
The rest got nothing but the origin short
frank gorge
sombra's origin short was animated, but not to the extent of doomfists
it was like the others because there were some still frames
regal coyote
.... excuse me
her intro is literally the cinematic of russia
regal coyote
sombra's intro is basically the cinematic of the blizzcon that year
frank gorge
i'd like to see a potential McCree short
limpid agate
@regal coyote http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
They nwver show the origin short on stage
It's always at Whats Next
regal coyote
and a few minutes before the animation premere s blogger showed one picture of the animated cinematic with sombra's face, like the one in the first seconds
yes i was playing with the ARG like crazy at the time
was doing anything from the coffee machine
to joining trying to help
with the game detectives crew you know
and trying the passwords
limpid agate
I ran the other server
pure kernel
That's not her intro tho
regal coyote
and fucking skycoding shit
limpid agate
I know about the arg
limpid agate
I solved the two skulls and some of the passwords
If we get a teaser
It should be Friday
regal coyote
and we cry over the fucking code on tracer's scarf
valid shell
Apparently Route 66's payload changed?
feral lintel
yeah, the bomb-looking thing on top of it seems disassembled now, or at least missing some parts
copper moat
Another american hero? :/
We're probably getting a mccree short
But on friday, we'll most likely find out the new hero
limpid agate
Some guy made a fake leak
But whats interesting is
It sounds like he saw the Queen
And thought she was a cowboy
feral lintel
idk, lots of leaks sound unbelievable until they turn out to be true
only time will tell
limpid agate
Nah, this is perfectly believable
Like... 1 sec
Deadlock looking girl with shotgun and mech
feral lintel
then why are you definitely calling it fake?
limpid agate
Because most leaks are fake
But this one goes hand in hand with what Ive been saying for ages.
1 - Queen is 29
2 - Queen will have some kind of mech component, probably her ult
3 - If its an axe, its probably a shotgun axe.
limpid agate
If they did, its exactly what Ive been saying for months.
If they are predicting it and phrasing it as a leak
Its 1:1 with my line of thought
cunning ledge
queen with shotgun, axe, and mech ult is what i've been predicting
cunning ledge
shotgun axe as the same weapon is an interesting idea
it clearly doesn't look like that in the poster but the design could always change
copper moat
The question is. If this is true. Then do the payload and short align
And a new hero
limpid agate
Of course not
If its true, he's drunk and meant the Queen.
She looks like a biker and is a mech champ
There is no reason for there to be mechs in North America
feral lintel
there's no reason why there can't be either
limpid agate
There is just as much reason why Torbjorn can't speak fluent Swahili and Tracer loves to eat century eggs on rye.
The absence of disproof is not proof
feral lintel
k.
peak escarp
it's unlikely that the short will feature the new hero
based on precedence
not impossible, just unlikely
copper moat
I mean it makes sense
But it doesn't have to feature the new hero.
The payload might be for the hero, and the mccree cinematic has his spot on the poster.
terse oak
So have we seen how the payload has a top like DVA's port
copper moat
That's exactly what i'm referencing
The new hero has to have something to do with that payload.
Like, it could be another mech hero
terse oak
Assuming the deadlock gang have robbed it
copper moat
It could have been talon who robbed it though.
feral lintel
you're probably putting too much thought into this
copper moat
The case or whatever it is. Has symmetra and d.va like qualities.
I mean maybe.
Wait. You're right. The deadlock gang probably robbed it. As they used the cafe as a base of operation and in the cafe is a blue print of the payload.
So they know whats in it.
Possibly? 😂
terse oak
Also the Deadlock gang like weapons right?
I dunno, I feel like it's not much of a stretch to assume that
copper moat
Yea exactly.
limpid agate
The Payload is the Deadlock Gang
The whole point of the map is
They are doing a heist
copper moat
Yea, and there is proof of it. My bad
terse oak
I didn't know but now I do
copper moat
Yep.
So we know the deadlock gang robbed it most likely.
But do we know what's in it?
limpid agate
We already know the Deadlock Gang robbed it
And our best source before was that it was a nuke
copper moat
Okay. Also. Little things count right?
The deadlock gang outhouse has a magazine with symmetra on the cover
regal coyote
can we agree the payload is 1) not money/gold etc 2) mostly weaponary related.
copper moat
Do you think they are trying to find something vishkar related? Or light related? 😅
regal coyote
no idea but whatever it is it is not something just for money
so it can sure be an item that is unique i guess
but i intend to think it is weaponary related one way or another
limpid agate
That magazine is gone
copper moat
Its gone?
copper moat
Oh okay 😂
regal coyote
on queen i decline to think shotgun
since doomfist has it already. ans since queen is gonna have an axe like ability i think they would not do a shotgun-melee ombo again, at least not now
guess on queen is 1) thrown weaponary, think maybe amazon with javelin build.
- axe or polearm with axe like things.
regal coyote
obviously boomerang axe is not a bad idea .... it aussie afterall
yes but deadlock gang aint gonna steal propane
copper moat
Okay fair enough.
regal coyote
also deadlock is currently reformed as deadlock bker's club
no, i mean to say the shotgun-melee combo
limpid agate
Doomfist isnt melee
Hes basically a caster with a shotgun
Also, Genji
His secondary is a functional shotgun
Theres also Torbjorn with a shotgun/hammer
regal coyote
doomfist is melee as in strettfight grade of melee
he has literally half the move list of terry bogard from KoF
frosty shell
The Deadlock gang might not have anything to do with the propane shop
Deadlock is also the name of the gorge
regal coyote
likely to be a small busineess and a front
but that does not mean much though
i mean it si a big gang
and ahving a propane business or not does nto affect content of payload
they sure do not steal propane by blowing up trains
frosty shell
We could get Talon tank
limpid agate
In 2019, sure
frosty shell
Could be this one
copper moat
(Random question) in overwatch lore. Who is "cain"
regal coyote
^
By guess is Deckard Cain reference, he is Blizzard's CEO
and yes 2019 talon tanku most likely
copper moat
Yea nvm
regal coyote
since it is less and less looking like we get sanjay tank, might a new character
regal coyote
indeed
limpid agate
Queen fits.
regal coyote
^
technically we have a "new" damage hero
I mean symmetra is reworked into damage (instead be beinf fuckign idiotic at support)
pure kernel
Damage(?)
regal coyote
if we assume amazon like throwing weapons then it would be ncie
i mean short range damage, and a bit of crowd control
frosty shell
I wonder why the Queen would fight outside of her mech
I don't like the idea of the Queen as the hero, although I admit she's the most likely lore-based hero for 29
pure kernel
Same
limpid agate
I didnt like the idea of Hammond, and he was obvious for 28
pure kernel
But i think it's not really lore based, just because people want her as a hero
And yes, we got Briggs and Hammond so that makes me believe she's most likely hero 29
peak escarp
she is the only known character that has been hinted at in the last 4 months
the MEKA squad were introduced, but I think they're too new to have a chance
if it's not her then it will be someone completely unknown
tardy sandal
The Queen's voice was missing in the patch prior to the reveal of Wrecking Ball, leading to speculation of her being the next hero. This was later confirmed to be a bug by Michael Chu.[8]
frosty shell
But we have gotten 2 previously-established heroes in a row
So this would be 3 in a row
tardy sandal
back in july
peak escarp
all of the heroes we have gotten have been previously established
tardy sandal
im up for anything interesting
peak escarp
except arguably Orisa
pure kernel
That too Alex
frosty shell
Moira was only semi-established
She had a few clues but they didn't call attention to her
peak escarp
it makes sense for Orisa to not be established since she literally didn't exist yet
Moira was at the Talon council table in Masquerade
that counts as being "established"
dense estuary
There is lots of OW crew left
peak escarp
she is known to exist in the world
frosty shell
But she didn't have any established backstory elements a la Doomfist, Brigitte, Hammond, and Sombra
However, hero fake-outs often lead to the next hero being the one faked out
Sombra first got buzz around the time Ana was introduced
Orisa's introduction revealed stuff about Doomfist
pure kernel
what about Ana tho
peak escarp
she did, we just didn't know they belonged to her
copper moat
Ana was known to be real. Voicelines for pharah and rein were teased
limpid agate
Thats not why
frosty shell
So Hammond having elements of JQ fakeout could be a clue for JQ
peak escarp
a voice line between Sombra and Reaper hinted at Moira
frosty shell
And Reaper saying "I'm seeing an old friend"
peak escarp
Reaper himself was a hint at Moira, but we didn't know it at the time
frosty shell
Maybe the next hero knew Lúcio's father?
limpid agate
Ana was first shown a year before her reveal in Soldier Origins
tardy sandal
JQ screams rustic version of brig but with a mace and more offense no shield. 
frosty shell
Yes
copper moat
Exactly nona
frosty shell
We've gotten voice lines hinting about Lúcio's father and about Rein's retirement recently
limpid agate
Junker Queen is a former mech champion
peak escarp
he was a Vishkar employee
frosty shell
We learned from voice lines that he invented Lucio's tech
But he was somehow screwed out of what he deserved
peak escarp
who invented the sonic crowd-control tech that Lucio stole
frosty shell
yes
copper moat
Okay
frosty shell
The problem with giving Zen more lore is that there aren't all that many directions to expand out in
copper moat
And stole it anyways?
peak escarp
yep
frosty shell
There aren't many elements of his backstory which connect to other things
We could learn more about the Shambali, I guess
copper moat
Yea, besides genji. I guess
frosty shell
But it'd be hard for them to pull an unforeseen connection like the ones about Lúcio's dad
peak escarp
they could show his first meeting with Genji, his disagreement with Mondatta, show him advising Genji on whether he should answer the recall
peak escarp
Zen is kinda a package deal with Genji
copper moat
Yep.
frosty shell
It wouldn't add much more to his backstory but it would give him more screen time
copper moat
Yea.. Also. We know a lot about mccree. Except why he left the deadlock gang, and what he stole.
frosty shell
We don't know how he lost his arm
copper moat
Ooh true.
peak escarp
after coming back to Overwatch, Mei went to Nepal to investigate abandoned research stations
maybe she met Genji/Zen
frosty shell
She went all over the world
copper moat
Is that proven?
peak escarp
it's in her Journal
copper moat
Okay
frosty shell
We also don't know how/why McCree joined the Deadlock Gang
copper moat
And why they hate him so much
peak escarp
he sold them out
peak escarp
he ditched them and joined Overwatch when Deadlock got busted
frosty shell
He joined Blackwatch and presumably tried to go after the Gang
frosty shell
Yes
peak escarp
I assumed Deadlock was shut down at that point, but I guess not?
copper moat
Well various time skips are in overwatch.
Right? 😂
So. I guess they were shut down.
copper moat
Oh they came back?
dense estuary
McCree was basically given the option of join Blackwatch or go to the slammer
dense estuary
not really, They are thousands of km apart
peak escarp
as for why he joined Deadlock in the first place . . . rebellious child? maybe his parents were members
dense estuary
Junkers are in the outback, Deadlock is US Southwest
copper moat
Delete the distance. There are teleporters and mechs. Trains
frosty shell
There aren't long distance teleporters
copper moat
I mean. Im just saying 😅
peak escarp
last we know of Junker Queen, she's still in Australia
frosty shell
Also, the Deadlock Gang seems to be fine with Omnics
copper moat
Where's the proof? 😅
peak escarp
of what?
copper moat
Of them being fine with omnics
frosty shell
I'm getting it
copper moat
Okay
dense estuary
He may have joined the gang just because he felt he had no future in anything else, We do not really know the status of the US in Overwatch other than naturally LA still exists in good enough shape to have Blizzneyland and a functional movie industry.
dense estuary
but unless the concession prices in the movie theater are purely lolz jab at RL concessions prices, Inflation must be insane.
frosty shell
They probably are overpriced even by future standards, the prices in Japan are just fine
peak escarp
maybe we just can't see the decimal point
I feel like a lot of people forget that McCree was about 17 when he got busted and joined Overwatch
just a kid
probably would have been tried as an adult though
frosty shell
$1.01 would be way too cheap for popcorn in the future
limpid agate
Its supposed to be a joke that movie popcorn is stupid expensive
And that the samll and large are basically the same price
cedar moon
What is deadlock
Is it worst then Los muertos?
Why did McCree join them
So much questionsss 😞😞
frosty shell
All we know is that it was a gang that operates in the American Southwest
We don't know how serious their criminal activities are.
peak escarp
"trafficked in illicit weapons and military hardware throughout the American Southwest, "
seems pretty serious
feral lintel
mccree was apparently part of deadlock when he was a teenager
i wonder if his parents were also gang members or if he was an orphan
peak escarp
I think if he was an orphan it would have said so in his bio
the only orphans we know of are Mercy and Sombra
hasty surge
It would be intetesting to know that their would probably have been or has been one the greatest minds
Considering how smart they are
feral lintel
or, a third option would be that mccree ran away from home and joined deadlock, i guess
pure kernel
That sounds possible
errant void
Anything is possible in the unknown.
timid eagle
McCree sounds like the type who’d run away from home.
He had a bit of an attitude before he mellowed out.
timid eagle
I wish he had his Route 66 voice lines, which were taken out some time ago.
timid eagle
Yeah, and I think Junkrat might’ve been an orphan.
inland moss
Dang.
I been slacking
What bout symetra
Someone told me she actually has autism
Not being rude
limpid agate
Yes. She does.
sinful rampart
howdy
peak escarp
Junkrat's family was never mentioned
quasi fern
So we’re expecting a hero tease or something at blizzcon correct
pure kernel
hero reveal
peak escarp
I hope we get teasers
just so we have something to talk about
and it might eliminate/strengthen some possibilities
limpid agate
Gonna say it again, for posterity:
Junkerqueen - 90% chance
MEKA Pilot - 9% chance
Bruce or Dae-Hyun for no reason - 1% chance
Everyone else - 0% chance
valid shell
No Max or Sanjay?
limpid agate
For 29?
No
Those are my 2 most wanted heroes
But I have negative expectation for them on the next hero
30 and on, sure
peak escarp
they don't seem likely right now
limpid agate
Those two and Lynx are my top 3 overall expectation past the Queen
regal coyote
i dont think Bruce or friendzoneboy have even 1% chance
these two have lower chance than sanjay srsly
at least sanjay ahve that chance where we get a lucio cinematic
peak escarp
Sanjay hasn't been seen or mentioned since Moira's release a year ago
raw glen
Did Tracer get an upgraded, more compact accelerator so it doesn't get destroyed by literally everyone ever?
Because she really needs an upgrade
Winston, get on it
raw glen
Yeah, she didn't
So Winston pls fix
It's just a logical move, because she'd be less concerned about keeping it up and running, since that would allow her to hide it behind slipstream armor, for instance
valid shell
Downscaling it any more probably isn't an option.
Remember, what Tracer's wearing used to be an entire room.
peak escarp
she already has the compact version
long ermine
just make it better 4head
raw glen
So it doesn't crack when a smurf sniper bashes you against a wall
There are tons of ways to make it a better design
raw glen
In a universe where we have living robots that don't need no batteries, there sure is a way to just have the accelerator charge off her life energy
long ermine
but i think he did fine for what it is
peak escarp
a gorilla that's probably smarter than all of us
valid shell
Why would you want it to absorb her life energy.
peak escarp
life energy
valid shell
She's a runner.
long ermine
??? charge off her life energy?
valid shell
That would be foolish.
peak escarp
pretty sure that isn't a thing
long ermine
where'd you get that from lol
raw glen
Just the energy created by heartbeats
valid shell
Wuh.
raw glen
Or brain impulses
raw glen
Idfk, how do omnicocks even exist
valid shell
Again, the Chronal Accelerator used to be an entire room. Why would microelectric nerve signals power it?
That's ridiculous.
long ermine
when did anyone mention omnic dicks
what
omnics are their own thing, we dont know how / if they need to be "charged" or anythin like that
it certainly isnt life force created by brain impulses and heartbeats
raw glen
Why can't we just make an omnics design mcguffin to keep tracer's accelerator fuelled at all times
raw glen
Because it can... well... run out of it?
long ermine
the only sign we've had of that is when shes used it a lot in one go, and it comes back on
it already does recharge itself
raw glen
Does it?
long ermine
that we know of, yes
its shown "running out" and then "recharging" in the museum short
raw glen
Oh, okay then, that's off my list, I guess
peak escarp
it ran out of power in Reflections and she had to take the tube home
long ermine
ahh yeah i forgot that
peak escarp
the example of the museum short is more like it got damaged and had to reboot
peak escarp
also might be a bit non-canon since it's so old
valid shell
You do know "muh Omnics" isn't just a catchall solution for all technological problems in OW.
raw glen
Fine, let's leave that anchor alone
valid shell
"Why doesn't Widowmaker just Omnic her emotions back?"
raw glen
LOL
But one is neuroscience, other is tech
And she did show some signs of them coming back a little
But only a little
Like mourning over her husband
peak escarp
she remembers Gerard, and she knows that there should be some emotions there
but she doesn't feel them
raw glen
Widowmaker just needs WALL-E to remind her about emotions
valid shell
long ermine
bruh that was so fucking loud
terse oak
@raw glen @valid shell Please don't shitpost in here
dire timber
are we getting any Halloween lore?
long ermine
halloween lore is normally seperate to lore lore
regal coyote
sooo, somw ppl tryna suggest that yakuza mook is hero 29...
rain moss
that's a joke
copper moat
Halloween lore? Possibly. There was a comic last year revealing that the tensions subsided
long ermine
pretty sure that comic isnt canon @copper moat
frosty shell
My problem with Dae-hyun as a hero is that his backstory would be way too similar to Brigitte's
copper moat
True 😅
Sees hero in trouble. Is supportive. gets put in game for being a secondary hero
There is also a comic with briggitte
frosty shell
Also, someone was saying the chronal accelerator was once the size of a room
I don't think that was the case, when Tracer was in that room she was contained but still physically incoherent
copper moat
Yea. Wasnt it with tracers room? She was in a room in something i saw. And it was white with windows
Yea
frosty shell
You're thinking of her origin story video
copper moat
Yea.. 😅
frosty shell
I don't think that was a chronal accelerator, because with the chronal accelerator Tracer was stabilized
Though the room that was used to contain Tracer likely used similar technology
peak escarp
the room was probably a prototype to test the technology
while Winston built a better/more portable one
frosty shell
I wonder how they found Tracer in the first place
I'm guessing that maybe the plane's radio signal reappeared or something, and they were able to pry Tracer from the plane
copper moat
Man now im wondering how tracer was found
peak escarp
Lucio's full name is Lúcio Correia dos Santos
pearl blade
Thanks
peak escarp
I think (if I understand Portuguese naming standards) that Correia and dos Santos are both last names
one from his mother, one from his father?
peak escarp
so Mr. dos Santos would be the Vishkar employee?
the only middle name we know is Francis, but Chu said there are more
copper moat
Dang it. So no info on lucio's father yet
limpid agate
Hearthstone?
hasty surge
sorry I saw battle net says it's live
peak escarp
rude
frosty shell
I actually got it right by accident when I said the thing about Portuguese names
so yes, his father would Senhor dos Santos
feral lintel
mr. [first name] [some other last name] dos santos
frosty shell
Middle names are primarily a European thing
They also seem to have them in Arab countries
frosty shell
Middle names sometimes seem to exist in India
limpid agate
@copper moat Why would the Queen of the Australian Outback
Join an American biker gang
limpid agate
The other thing is
We don't know what is in the payload exactly
Our best source said it was a nuke
copper moat
Yea, but has a striking similarity to d.va's mech.
It's classified says the blueprints in the cafe thinf
frosty shell
Then we'd also wonder why the Americans would have a mech
copper moat
That's definitely true
frosty shell
Though that's far more likely than the JQ teaming up with the Deadlock gang
limpid agate
JQ and McCree short don't need to be related
Look at last year
Honor and Glory, Moira
We didnt get Brig until 27
copper moat
True.
regal coyote
ok we do some ways of reduction, deciding what will NOT be the new hero
it will NOT be an animal, most likely human
it will NOT be a healer, seeing we had a chain of those
NOT a "offspring of overwatch" this time either.
that said
a cowgirl or reverse cowgirl can be cool af, and deadly
i want
pure kernel
lmao
regal coyote
like, a trans cowgirl
pure kernel
Just a cowgirl
limpid agate
Reverse cowgirl? You mean McCree
peak escarp
~~ cowgirl and reverse cowgirl are sex positions~~
limpid agate
Also, this is a sfw discord
pure kernel
Yes doc pls
limpid agate
Just gonna push past all this
peak escarp
I know
pure kernel
smh
limpid agate
@regal coyote That cowgirl leak literally just described the Queeb
But called her a cowgirl
He said he was drunk though
regal coyote
yes
but since queen have establizshed character looks no way a drunk guy would not recognize it
that said, i think the leak is bullshit
peak escarp
not really
pure kernel
hmm
limpid agate
Unless he didn't follow the lore
pure kernel
peak escarp
I don't think most people could describe her from memory
limpid agate
I still see people ask about who the Queen is in #overwatch
They just see posters.
Also I can see how her cape can be mistaken for a poncho
But fake or real
The leak says what Ive been saying
limpid agate
She looks likr a biker with a poncho cape
regal coyote
we KNOW junkerqueen has to be playable at some point
even recent blizz interview mention
so yeah 95% junker queen
tranquil sun
im excited
copper moat
Then thar, are you saying she looks like a biker? 😂
feral lintel
if the new hero is a deadlock cowgirl, i think she's gonna turn out to be mccree's ex-girlfriend or something
copper moat
But they would look similar in the game
regal coyote
just remmber, that lil cowgirl bitch in toy story have McCree's name
that said, it is probably a bad choice of cowgirl, annoying personality. there are much cooler samples there in the history of the wild west
peak escarp
you mean Jessie?
copper moat
I just found proof
That there is a chance that the junker queen could have gone to deadlock gang
Bottom right corner of news paper
peak escarp
the Deadlock Gang Biker Rally?
how does that connect to the Junker Queen?
how is a tweet from 3 years ago supposed to prove anything
copper moat
I dont know. Its just to prove that people saw it.
I was saying that junker queen could have joined the deadlock gang to get weapons and mech components.
peak escarp
that seems very unlikely
as of Junkertown: The Plan (which I believe happens recently in the timeline), the Queen is still in Australia
copper moat
Well. Who knows. We'll find it out tommorrow
Maybe
Also there are time skips in overwatch
Was hammond already with the junker queen while junkrat and hammond tried to do the plan?
iron plume
the plan is implied to be recent events
peak escarp
we don't know when Hammond was champion
iron plume
so hammond was already gone most likely
peak escarp
The Plan is recent, because on their world wide crime spree, one of the places they hit was the Dorado bank - and that heist happened during the riots when the Dorado power plant came on line November 1st of [the current year in OW]
peak escarp
wish I knew when Wasted Land happened
ah, I forgot how hilarious The Plan is
so Looney Toons
copper moat
So if hammond is already gone. He COULD be a big part of the story lore
Who knows what he is doing. Heck i saw something on the overwatch forums where. Hammond attacks mccree 😂😂😂
sacred hamlet
Oh boy wouldn't it be interesting if Hammond were to gun down McCree in one of his adventures
peak escarp
that would be weird
copper moat
Yea. Haha 😂 it would be
copper moat
Because Hammond doesn't even know what overwatch or blackwatch is
sacred hamlet
The OW community goes on an outrage about one of its most ridiculous and unaccepeted characters killing off one of the most popular boys in the game
That'd be gold
copper moat
But what if Mccree attacks him first?
It would be like one of the mech battles in the lore
sacred hamlet
McCree dies 'cause Hammond is in a giant mechanic ball
copper moat
At junkertown 😂😂😂
sacred hamlet
And no
McCree cannot instantly kill Hammond with a headshot
he obviously has some kind of helmet when he's not completely exposed like a dumbass in-game
peak escarp
Hammond would not kill McCree because he's not out to kill people
sacred hamlet
why would hammond expose his head
feral lintel
hammond has a little metal plate on his head but it's not a helmet
peak escarp
McCree would not kill Hammond because he has no reason to
sacred hamlet
he obviously has some kind of barrier to protect it
copper moat
Yea. True.
peak escarp
and is not in the Scrapyard
iron plume
and more to the point, Hammond is not in Junkertown
copper moat
At this point
iron plume
^
peak escarp
they have no reason to fight each other
sacred hamlet
boys let's be real mccree gets fucked by hammond
and as far as i know mccree has more frenemies than friends
iron plume
it doesn't matter who he has when Hammond has literally no motivation to attack mccree
sacred hamlet
meanwhile hammond has the entire population of junkertown to fight with him
iron plume
...what
peak escarp
McCree's friends: Genji
McCree's enemies: . . . ?
copper moat
No one knows who hammond is.
iron plume
he's gone from junkertown to explore on his own
copper moat
At junkertown
iron plume
he didn't take anyone with him
copper moat
They dont know hes a hamster
sacred hamlet
what i'm saying is that if hammond were to request help fromjunkertown
they'd help him
he's the champion after all
the place is pure anarchy ruled
copper moat
Thats true.
sacred hamlet
nah dude we're not talking requesting for help in the middle of a fight
iron plume
Junkrat and Roadhog going on a worldwide heist is already a stretch, there is absolutely no way "the entire population" would go somewhere for him
sacred hamlet
i'm talking the avengers vs DC or some shit
copper moat
McCree doesn't even know hammond exists..
iron plume
plus, anarchy means most people are out for themselves