I completely forgot about that! In her short, it said someone found her, or something along those lines, and she had to erase her entire onlineexistence, and then became Sombra
#lore-discussion
errant void
feral lintel
well, everyone's gonna assume her name is olivia colomar until we get something else 🤷
hollow torrent
🤔
errant void
I never said they wouldn't, or that there is an issue with that, I'm just discussing a piece of lore...
hollow torrent
Is mei being thicc lore
errant void
Not really, no.
hollow torrent
Damn
worldly flax
@hollow torrent shitposting will result in a loss of access
hollow torrent
F
errant void
Is it mentioned exactly why Reaper is killing off Overwatch members? I know him and the rest of Overwatch had a... A little falling out, but why kill them?
vapid orchid
He believes it's their fault he's the way he is.
iron plume
I wouldn't say it's that clear cut
to be honest I think that is a leftover story point from when he was a less tragic hurt villain and more of a straight-up evil type of deal
errant void
There's got to be more to it, in my opinion. The Overwatch HQ explosion is a fairly reasonable explanation to his murderous rampage, but he's described as a terrorist disguised as death. I don't know about y'all, that seems a little dramatic for a physical disfigurement
Maybe it's a biased opinion? I don't know, I was just curious.
iron plume
he wasn't just disfigured in the explosion
he's also affected by moira's tech used on him
vapid orchid
^
iron plume
he's said to be constantly decaying and regenerating
vapid orchid
didn't moira experiment on him beforehand and the experiments saved him from dying in the explosion?
or am I getting mixed up?
errant void
That sounds right, yeah
iron plume
we don't know what saved him
errant void
Moira had been experimenting on him during the age of Blackwatch
iron plume
but yes he did have the powers and the condition before the fall
fresh crag
Someone told me that reapers constant decay and regeneration was basically like he was "crawling in his own skin, and that he could never heal"?
errant void
But he is actively working with Moira in Talon, that's why I'm a little confused. He didn't kill Ana when they met either, but he made it clear he blames Overwatch
iron plume
nice meme
he also looked said seeing ana
this thing kind of casts doubt on wanting to kill everyone from overwatch
errant void
Maybe I'm just looking for a storyline that isn't there, and he genuinely is just a villain who is unable to accept reality
Maybe he just blames certain members?
vapid orchid
he definitely wants to kill jack
iron plume
again, personal opinion is that those lines are a remainder from when he was supposed to be more straight up evil
he definitely wants jack dead
but it's unclear on anyone else
errant void
Mmm, true. I think it becomes a little unclear with this "He is doing it for revenge" character line
But like I said. Maybe there is no reason, and we just need to accept that he wants certain members dead
I also think there is more to the HQ explosion, but personal opinion has little to do with lore
iron plume
there literally has to be, because right now we don't even have anything on what or who caused it
it's not like a "we don't have the real story" deal
it's a "we don't have any story" deal
errant void
Well, what we've been told so far is that "their fighting triggered an explosion that supposedly killed both of them." But that just doesn't really sit with me
fresh crag
Didn't Retrubution gives us some sort of idea what could have stemmed the issues with Overwatch?
iron plume
yes, it was the beginning of the end
but that's not what we're talking about
the political fallout that led to the explosion is pretty clear
cedar moon
Is Ana seeing reapers face canon
long ermine
yes
errant void
Yes it is
fresh crag
Maybe it was Gabriel's desire to break from the usual rules of Overwatch, which led to an eventual falling out of both Gabe and Jack, along with Overwatch as a whole
iron plume
but not the cause of the event itself
we know why they fell out, i'm not talking about that
i'm talking about who blew up the HQ
iron plume
whether it was reaper or some third party
and if the latter, whether Reaper knew about it or not
errant void
Reyes lead Blackwatch, an internal operation asides from Overwatch that sealth with more illegal things. Retribution is the entire reason Blackwatch came to light
long ermine
we dont know much at all about the actual explosion or argument
errant void
But that's an entirely different stort
iron plume
yep
hollow torrent
So this game has lore lol where
errant void
We know nothing of the explosion. But, if I was going to put my own opinion, Talon was involved, and Reaper was unaware. Maybe that will play into the story eventually
errant void
I'm sorry, but if you haven't picked up on any lore whatsoever here in the past five minutes alone I don't know how to help lol
long ermine
omnic crisis
hollow torrent
XD
iron plume
The fact that you were told to stop shitposting is not a reason to trash the lore
long ermine
omnic crisis is a good place to start, though
iron plume
@cedar moon Old Soldiers comic is where she does it
hollow torrent
Kk
errant void
That's the name of the comic! Couldn't think of it to save my life
vapid orchid
I'd like to think that Talon planned the explosion that perhaps caused Reaper to join Talon's ranks? as if they were planning he'd join them soon enough
errant void
Reaper obviously blames some members of Overwatch more than others. He could have taken Ana out, but didn't
@vapid orchid me too.
iron plume
The whole thing with reaper is a bit of an unexplained heel turn
fresh crag
^
long ermine
its pretty explained
iron plume
yes he disagreed with Jack, but he still wanted to fight for good
just in his own ways
kinda like McCree is doing in the present
vapid orchid
yea but maybe that big fight and the explosion drove reaper over the edge
long ermine
yeah but he isnt fighting for bad with talon, hes fighting for revenge
iron plume
turning around and shacking up with Talon is out of nowhere
long ermine
hes with talon becuase it makes killing overwatch agents easier iirc
iron plume
there's no reason for him to want to kill agents just because he wanted to deliver justice in his own way
again, mccree is doing that right now
long ermine
mccree isnt killing agents is he?
vapid orchid
Talon probably manipulated things in order for reaper to join them, I mean he's pretty powerful and a very useful ally to them
fresh crag
I think moira was responsible for Reaper joining talon, since she was a double agent
iron plume
that's unconfirmed
long ermine
and its not about him wanting to deliver justice his way, its about him blaming overwatch for what he is now
iron plume
which there is also no reason for
because if it was the explosion, why did he hate them before it
long ermine
that we know of, thats the only unexplained bit
iron plume
and if it was moira's changes, he'd hate moira and not the strike team
long ermine
speculation now but what if it was mercy / moiras shit that blew up
iron plume
what
long ermine
idk its just a thought, but if it was their stuff that blew up around reaper or smth
errant void
Huh. That could actually be interesting, especially Moira's tech
iron plume
just like, randomly in a hallway or something?
it being moira's tech doesn't make sense
because he doesn't hate moira
long ermine
idk man its just a thought, maybe they were arguing about moira and mercys differences that lead to blackwatch vs overwatch difference s
vapid orchid
I mean, he willingly allowed Moira to experiment on him
iron plume
blackwatch vs overwatch differences already started before they hired moira
iron plume
they hired moira because of those differences
there's no suggestion they were in an argument or even met
long ermine
what?
iron plume
mercy and moira
fresh crag
What if Moira's experiments led to a planned change in his behavior and decision making?
iron plume
if you think mercy and moira were in a lab together or something, you need to read less fanfics
long ermine
it was just a thought you dont need to be a dick
errant void
No, they definitely worked together
valid shell
Moira somehow changing Reyes' behavior really cheapens his backstory. I hope that's not the case.
fresh crag
Hey hey, let be cool man
valid shell
@errant void Source?
fresh crag
Everyone's got different theories
valid shell
I'm fine with theories, but not when they're stated as fact, like "i read [SOMEWHERE] that mercy resurrected reaper"
fresh crag
All we can do is try to come up with our own consensus until there is something proven. Whether these fit or if their cannon is up to everyone else
Its just fun to come up with our own ideas
long ermine
i didnt say anything about reading somewhere that this that and the other, it was literally just a conversation
fresh crag
It is an interesting theory
iron plume
"if [they're canon] is up to everyone else"
we're "everyone else" and we're bringing up why it isn't
errant void
Well shit, I apologize, I could have sworn they had worked together, my apologies
iron plume
hooray for admitting mistakes
fresh crag
Calm it. I'm just saying everyone has an idea, and those ideas have a right to be shared equally
errant void
My opinion is though that if there was third party involvement in the explosion of HQ, it is Talon
iron plume
Those ideas have a right to be shared
and the others have a right to criticize them
i'm not telling you to shut the fuck up
errant void
We all make mistakes, lore here can get kind of mixed up a little bit too much with fan theory
iron plume
i'm telling you why you're probably wrong
fresh crag
I know that, just be chill fam
iron plume
there's a difference
errant void
Honestly though, I just want to know more about Talon, to be honest. They're obviously a huge part of the story of Overwatch and will be in the future, so I think we can expect more soon
iron plume
if you know that, your point is irrelevant
errant void
Maybe even another playable character from Talon
iron plume
anyway to a less stupid discussion
idk about a playable character
but Talon will definitely play the big bad in "Act One" at least
get some squabbles with Winstonwatch, strike in a big way, cause Winstonwatch to reach out to new people
errant void
Who is the one founder of Overwatch that we know nothing about, asides from their name?
long ermine
Liao
iron plume
Liao although their status is iffy
valid shell
Nonexistent moreso.
iron plume
no
they were mentioned in canon material outside of the comic
that's not nonexistent
but they may well be shelved
errant void
That's it, yeah. It will be interesting to see what they do with them, if anything
valid shell
I'm still convinced they were thrown out with the bathwater that was Third Strike.
iron plume
first
valid shell
First*
iron plume
and yes, that's what shelved is
valid shell
Phone autocorrected.
long ermine
They’ll probably use them as like the 40th hero ‘hey remember THIS GUY remember how much you theorised about them’
valid shell
Not too dreaded in Liao's case.
errant void
Wheres the lie though Fox 😂
iron plume
it's always dreaded
errant void
I wonder when they'll stop adding heros, though. Maybe they'll stop at a fair 30?
long ermine
No
valid shell
Tired of YouTube screamlords saying every new silhouette is Liao confirmed.
iron plume
publishers like to stay away from it as long as possible
fresh crag
I've always been curious about Liao's history
iron plume
until they're positively written into a corner
long ermine
They want Overwatch to last upwards of 10 years
iron plume
so maybe don't watch those
iron plume
it's literally the most avoidable problem ever
errant void
Mmm, true
iron plume
mobas aren't really comparable
long ermine
Isn’t it like 200 or some shit by now
feral lintel
i thought the devs mentioned they wanna slow down on adding new heroes when they get to 30
iron plume
yeah we'll likely get less than three a year at some point before stopping
i'd bet on total of (around) 42
feral lintel
why 42? because it's the answer to everything?
feral lintel
they're gonna have to redesign the hero selection screen at some point
long ermine
They already have like 3 times
fresh crag
All of the profile pictures probably the width of a pinky nail
iron plume
two, once to move the icons, the next to consolidate damage category
long ermine
No they made a change from the beta too
iron plume
i'm talking post release
if we count beta changes any aspect will be in double digits
long ermine
Right so you’re not talking about what was even said so moving on
errant void
At some point, there won't be any lore to add. That's why a movie is impossible at this point
long ermine
They’ll probably make hero selection less and less glamour tbh
iron plume
yes, me talking about hero screen redesign has nothing to do with hero screen redesign
there's a lot of space to work with
long ermine
More like Hots or League
iron plume
the main story will be over at some point but they have a ton of side characters
we're not even done with backstories right now
errant void
It won't be for a very long time, yeah, but the end does have to come
iron plume
the pool is so large that it won't be the limiting factor
the game's lifespan will be
even if they pick up the pace significantly
fresh crag
It's always good to have a story that's not completely finished. It leads room For others to add their own bits and conclusions
fresh crag
I meant to say a story that still has open doors. It can be "complete", but having some things that haven't been leave room for creativity
iron plume
yeah that makes sense
errant void
I don't think every question should be answered, but there are definitely some that need answers
fresh crag
Agreed
I know this question may be ignorant at best, but how much lore is there on Zenyatta that has been confirmed? I'd say to myself to look for sources, but I always want to know from second opinions where the best places to look are.
fresh crag
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Hes got the potential for interesting lore. The only scrap of lore I found was minimalistic and not really pertaining to his life story, but it did reveal that he had a high interest in movies (per quotes from Halloween that were removed)
feral lintel
zen appears in one panel in one comic, making snowballs float in the background while genji writes a letter
fresh crag
That is adorable
feral lintel
fresh crag
Many thanks. I shall keep this image close
peak escarp
zen's lore right now consists of his bio, a mention in Genji's bio, that one panel in Reflections, and his interactions
fresh crag
Yeh, Hopefully Blizzard does a cinematic on him at some point for further story.
peak escarp
I'd like to see more on his relationship with Mondatta and what led to Zen leaving the Shambali
fresh crag
Definitely 😲
errant void
I'm biased and just want to know more about Talon. But something about Zen could be interesting
peak escarp
I want to know what McCree is up to, but I'm also biased 🤠
fresh crag
Yas more Jessie lore
errant void
okay mccree too lmao
restive flower
I'm fine with holding back McCree lore
He got a bunch in Archives
It's Symmetra and Lucio who are completely dry
limpid agate
Sym is on par with Mercy
Comic is nice but she feels lacking
Zen is down there with Lucio
Missing a lot
restive flower
zen has slightly more lore than lucio
zen ties in with tracer and genji while lucio only has lore interactions with sym
limpid agate
Slightly more
But still down there
Its arguing which battery is lower, they're all dead
restive flower
2+ years into the game and we still have no idea wtf is "the iris"
limpid agate
That's... Fair
It feels like the type of thing they want to be a mystery
Its the subject of Shambali faith, and thats all we need to know.
The only other thing we need to know is
Whether its real or not, and whether Zenyatta knows what it really is if its real
We don't need to know what it really is
Just if its a fiction or not
foggy pelican
Does zen have batteries
does he need to be charged?
Does he have 1 really long charge
and when that charge goes out
he dies?
limpid agate
We don't know their power source
But looking at Snowball
Running out of battery doesn't mean much
worthy rose
There power source is lucio- ohs
limpid agate
@worthy rose Keep the memes in #general-discussion
worthy rose
Sorry.
regal coyote
What is a Branford arm? the weapon arm system?
limpid agate
OR-15? No. Orisa? Probably.
wintry vigil
Hi
timid eagle
What's up?
fallow cipher
pearl blade
In lore he's still the same. Literally nothing has changed
limpid agate
@fallow cipher This is lore discussion
lavish mural
#FixNumbani
Origin stories are great and all, but it would be great to get current lore content to propel the story forward
Winston made the call in the intro! With the exception of Mei, Reinhardt, and possibly Brigitte, Which other heroes will respond...
cursive apex
anyone wanna play overwatch?
cunning ledge
@cursive apex try the lfg channels
cursive apex
gotchuuu
errant void
Well, we know Tracer responded. During the short in which Winston actually starts the Overwatch Recall program, we can see a few other members, like McCree, Mercy, Genji as members that would be recalled, and even quite a few more that we don't recognize
More than likely most of the ones that were "shown," the images went by pretty quickly, are characters that aren't important to the continuation of the story, but I think it's safe to assume that the heroes currently in the game will be a part of the new Overwatch, to some extent
limpid agate
@lavish mural With the exception of Mei, Reinhardt, and possibly Brigitte
We know Tracer responded
That's what the Museum short was about
As well as her literally answering him at the end of Recall
As for possibilities
Genji is implied to have answered at the end of his short, but its hard to tell
Torbjorn/Bastion are also implied to join, if the Blizzardworld Trailer can be taken as canon.
And as you said
Brig is a possibility
white cobalt
@limpid agate Doomfist animation is before recall?
limpid agate
^
peak escarp
it's hard to tell when exactly, but since it was a high profile target being handled by newer members, I'd say it probably happened after the Swiss base explosion but before the Petras Act is passed
limpid agate
Genji had abandonned Overwatch in his bio, implying it was before the Organization shut down
It happened at some point between Uprising and Genji leaving Overwatch
Those are our bookends
peak escarp
they haven't yet
the nearest they've come is McCree following their trail after the bank heist in Dorado
feral lintel
genji sure swapped his red armor out for green armor fast
woeful ruin
I like the McCree roadhog interaction
I wish he had more interactions
I'd like to see roadhog as a villain
peak escarp
Roadhog does whatever gets him paid
woeful ruin
He is known as a ruthless killer and criminal though
peak escarp
true, but he's not likely to side with Talon because of their ideology
if he was going to side with Talon, it'll be because he was offered a good paycheque
woeful ruin
Agreed
limpid agate
Interesting thing about ruthless killer ROadhog
Him and Junkrat have no problem with killing Omnics.
But have only ever been known to kill one man.
The Suit.
woeful ruin
Who is the suit?
dense estuary
Suit had coming too. He did kinda cross them.
peak escarp
he used them to commit insurance fraud
feral lintel
we can probably assume they kill just as many humans as they do omnics, but it's not shown because that would be too much for the game's rating
long ermine
if its not shown we cant assume
limpid agate
We can't assume. People would say they are ruthless if they just kill omnics ruthlessly
But they dont value omnics the same as a real person
feral lintel
okay, so they don't kill humans, then
peak escarp
the junkers raiding Hog's farm in Waster Land thought he was going to kill them
so he must have earned the reputation somehow
feral lintel
could just be an incorrect assumption
limpid agate
^
lavish mural
I want a Lucio/Symmetra cinematic, with a Rio Brazil/Vishkar map,
feral lintel
lots of people do, but nobody knows if it's being made other than blizzard employees
peak escarp
I think Rio would make a really good escort map - the payload could go from the poorer, undeveloped areas, into the shiny clean Vishkar city center
lavish mural
@peak escarp these are facts
valid shell
A Rio map would be a great place to demonstrate the capabilities of Hard-Light.
cunning ledge
I have many ideas of a map where you’re escorting a hard light generator through a city and as it goes through new hard light structures are formed
Partly cosmetic but also some new translucent walls are made for cover, bridges connecting platforms, etc
Could fit quite well into showing Rio in its old state as well as hard light technology
lavish mural
I would also like to see Blizzard flash out the Mercy/Moira relationship
frosty shell
Roadhog & Junkrat must be pretty good at what they do
If they can go from continent to continent and escape the crime scene successfully
We had a discussion about this long ago - how do Junkrat and Roadhog travel?
long ermine
well the bike in the top pic is in australia
the bottom is england
i dont think thats on this same continent
like 99% sure
peak escarp
@lavish mural What relationship? we don't know if they've even met
feral lintel
maybe they know someone with a boat
iron plume
ctrl-shift-n and also wrong channel
lone loom
ty,sorry for that)
peak escarp
a lot of the heroes do a lot of international travel for people who are wanted criminals and/or masked vigilantes
lavish mural
Mercy and Moira have a bunch of complimentary sprays in the game @peak escarp
They also have an interesting voice line interaction
peak escarp
voice lines are what-ifs
not representative of actual conversations
they have matching sprays because their concepts are made to be opposites
the only connection we know exists between them is that Moira uses Mercy's research
lavish mural
I guess...
peak escarp
Moira's employment in Blackwatch was also supposed to be a secret
rain moss
poor mercy having her research stolen left and right
lavish mural
Even Ana stole that shit
iron plume
by the time ana stole it, the ship had kinda sailed
peak escarp
Mercy's research would have been published in peer-reviewed medical journals, which are open to anyone to read
how is that stealing?
iron plume
well ana literally stole the gun
iron plume
idk, I don't think Mercy's initial invention was all there was to it
lavish mural
Does Lucio and Brigitte use biotic technology to heal as well
Since Zenyatta is an omnic, I believe he has his own mechanical form of healing
peak escarp
it's unknown whether Brigitte and Lucio's healing abilities are canon
in her origin short, Brigitte was seen patching up Reinhardt the traditional way
peak escarp
I think it's more metaphorical healing
she inspires people to keep fighting and ignore their injuries
peak escarp
as for Lucio, music/sound can have healing properties, but it's more likely he just inspires people too
lavish mural
They inspire their team to ignore their bullet wounds
I'm bleeding out...
You just gotta believe lmao
peak escarp
lol
based on his background, Lucio has no reason to be a healer in the game
he's a DJ that uses crowd control equipment
at least the other healers have healing/support roles in their backgrounds
pearl blade
The only canononical healing is Mercy's tech and Zenyatta.
feral lintel
even then, zenyatta's healing is just written off as "mystical omnic abilities"
limpid agate
No
Its specifically written as
"Omnic Energies"
Energy being both a mystical and technological word
feral lintel
tomato tomahto
i wasn't quoting it directly
i was just saying that the explanation is vague
feral lintel
okay, you don't have to repeat that since i'm not disagreeing with it
smoky delta
I feel like zen yeets orbs at people that on contact inject something that heals or effects them and the orb just hovers to keep them active, or he just fucki mg nails you with it and magic happens
limpid agate
We were told his harmony/discord orbs are not canon.
smoky delta
I figured
I just find the whole yeeting orbs funny
Just yep let's throw shit at people and hope this works
My theory involves nanites
But like I'm chill with omnic magic
limpid agate
There is no magic in Overwatch
smoky delta
Lemme dream
limpid agate
This is the lore channel, not the magic channel.
limpid agate
What do you mean nanites?
limpid agate
If Zenyatta healed in any scientific manner, Mercy wouldn't be questioning it. Odds are, he doesn't heal anyone and it is just a gameplay mechanic.
smoky delta
I feel like a simple explanation would be them being in the orb and on contact them going to do their thing and once out of distance from zen the disconnect
Yeah I know but like theories are cool too
I like to think how things would work if it was real and come up with stuff from thayv
That
I think it would be cool if omnics progressed their own technology and stuff like that
limpid agate
He doesnt actually throw orbs in his animations
He throws energies that are emit from the orbs
The orbs never physically leave his body
smoky delta
I'm just saying potentional theories or ways it would make some sense you don't have to kill everything I say
limpid agate
The whole point of a theory is to be plausible
If he physically doesnt throw orbs
THen theres no way a theory about orbs hitting people can hold
smoky delta
Theories are theories and I'm theorizing how the orbs or his abilities would work in a semi logical setting and my theory is plausible, the orbs them selves could have some sort of nanite tech stored in them that when he tosses what ever he does deploys and does it's thing, I'm saying nanites are the possibility behind his abilities in a logical science fiction sense
My whole thing is his tech being nanites stored with in the ball that function whether deployed via contact or just deployed
My nanite theory is plausible
Not incredibly likely but plausible
Plus like theories are cool even if they aren't resl ly possible, it's fun to think of them and try to apply logic where there isn't any
smoky delta
What ever
People have posted theories to discuss here that didn't seem really possible and even dropped head canons in here so I thought they would be welcome but apparently not
limpid agate
People have posted theories to discuss here.
And when they are deemed improbable, they are told as such
Its a discussion board
Not a post shit and get accepted by default board.
The point of disucssion is to find the pros and cons of a theory
If it has no pros, people arent going to be on your side.
@odd jay Shitposting will result in a loss of access
smoky delta
Yeah but for the most part their theories aren't just ran over constantly without even some consideration
limpid agate
For the most part, they don't involve a "What if" that doesn't happen.
smoky delta
Don't gotta be rude, let people be imaginative geez
limpid agate
You made an extended theory about things being in contact with the orbs
I said the orbs never make contact
The animations show the orbs never make contact
The art book shows the orbs never make contact
@odd jay Final warning
long ermine
just say "yes jewvia"
limpid agate
A post that is shit.
If it adds nothing to the discussion it does not belong.
If you want to be funny, go to #general-discussion
smoky delta
Nah fox I'm not like that mate
limpid agate
If you have a complaint, DM @sullen pagoda
long ermine
wasnt talking to you
smoky delta
Oh yeah I forget this server doesn't have a shit post section
valid shell
Shipping isn't valid here.
smoky delta
Unfortunate
valid shell
Very fortunate.
smoky delta
Bleh
limpid agate
Jeff Kaplan
That Harmony/Discord orbs are gameplay mechanics and not lore
1 second
valid shell
Doesn't Mercy recently confirm that Zenyatta has some form of healing?
limpid agate
Not sure.
Its hard to tell for sure what side of the lore that line falls on
This could be anothing thing Jeff said getting retconned
But it could also be... Jeff is right, and its just Trancendance.
Harmony isnt his only source of healing.
valid shell
Or Mercy's referring to Zen's spiritual healing, being outside her more academic medical expertise.
limpid agate
Maybe.
iron plume
I doubt she'd ask the question of how it works if she was referring to spiritual healing
rain moss
is it a voiceline? bc voice lines aren't always canon
iron plume
Voicelines are what-ifs representing character and their thoughts
We can't tell that a situation happened from an in-game interaction but we can get some facts
That interaction means that if mercy fought side by side with Zen, she'd be interested in his healing
considering mercy knows a thing or two about it, it's a safe assumption that he actually can heal unless we're told otherwise
regal coyote
the event of the 2 characters meeting might not be canon, but the content of their speech is
so obviously some circumstance would rarely exist, like sombra and d.va standing on the same side, if on a what-if, they might have such a conversation
(yes i know old staturday morning cartoons style sometimes heroes/and villians team up to fight some super monster, which can happen in ow too, but lets ignore that for now)
but other than that, voiceliens does give us accurate info.
according to that, sombra knows quite some stuff and dirt
according to that there is a bit of corporate dirtyness in vishkar treating Lucio's father, a sonic inventor (and no, he does not collect hendghogs)
according to that mercy is racist against chocolates from other places.
according to that, rein's case of getting retired from ow is an interesting one.
limpid agate
What she developed was the nanobiotic medical technology
The beam/spray/nade/darts are all just different ways of delivering the same thing
stoic eagle
basically "science"
limpid agate
Like drinking medicine vs injecting it vs breathing it in gaseous form.
Just different deliveries
stoic eagle
im quite sure its not as effective in lore as in game
limpid agate
It shouldn't be
Old Soldiers only showed it as a glorified painkiller
Hasnt been seen since
stoic eagle
what i wonder is how her staff of it connects to people
and why she doesn't need to reload her staff
like is it heat seeking or something
how else would it "stick" to people
cunning ledge
If not for Uprising and like one other image we wouldn’t even know if the staff existed or not in the lore
wooden frost
is d.va's lore hinted at in any other cinematics or anything at all
other than the cinematic for her
limpid agate
No
stoic eagle
in the one where they show like a one second clip of tons of heroes where they say "we are ..."
she flies towards some big mech
and shoots
does that count?
@wooden frost
this one
its not lore but i mean technically
frosty shell
I do think that is canon to how the Gwishin looks
cunning ledge
Aren’t the gwinshin the squid ones?
The big one doesn’t have a better name than big kaiju omnic
frosty shell
I think the Gwishin is the name of the big one
The squid ones are just drones I believe
Or maybe not
Gwishin might just be collective
novel quarry
Have we learned any new Winston info since his animaton when the game came out? The one where reaper breaks into his house?
frosty shell
We learned some stuff about Horizon Lunar Colony, I guess
feral lintel
there was that fight he had against doomfist while he was still in the original overwatch (which winston won)
peak escarp
all the other lore we have for Winston is set before Recall
we've had nothing since
well
the Cinematic Trailer would happen after Recall
but that's it
novel quarry
Oooh right
Thanks
I'm trying to write an essay on why Winston is the heart of overwatch, and was trying make sure I didn't miss any facts
novel quarry
Reflections?
frosty shell
The Christmas comic with Tracer
novel quarry
Oooh right dude
limpid agate
Winston is the heart of overwatch
Explain @novel quarry
pure kernel
feral lintel
nobody canonically calls winston the heart of overwatch
novel quarry
Yeah @limpid agate
The recall short is the best bit of evidence
The moral responsibility he feels for the state of the world after the fall of overwatch ("just look around! Somebody has to DO something!")
Also, he's a gorilla of facts and science, but he still remains an optimist-
Harold's ideals still ring true and resonate with Winston, clearly
He's willing to work behind the scenes, and as support for other overwatch operatives (tracer's chronoaccelerator), but also willing to put his life on the line in the battle field- like when he shielded those kids in the museum from reaper and widow
And as you guys reminded me^, he went into a fit of rage to avenge one of his teammates (doomfist vs tracer)
Which shows how much he truly cares about his comrades
No one really has to canonically say that winston's the heart of overwatch
Because the cannon clearly SHOWS that he is
limpid agate
Your points sound good for me, seems accurate. Go for it 👍
novel quarry
😎 😎 😎
cunning ledge
I am a fan of how he’s only gone into rage when Tracer (close friend and ally) and Athena (the hope of reforming overwatch) have been in danger
limpid agate
His glasses breaking is also a trigger
I think that and Athena combined is what engaged him in Recall
while the Exhibit was just glasses
feral lintel
i wonder if harold winston had more than one pair, or if winston just fixes them each time they get broken
cunning ledge
I knew I was missing something when I said that
the glasses are obviously a link back to Harold, which is a strong emotional attachment
peak escarp
It was said in a behind the scenes interview for the animated shorts (back in 2016) that Winston's glasses aren't the exact pair that Harold wore
they're a copy
feral lintel
oh, i see
limpid agate
@peak escarp Link me to that? Unless its already on the wiki I need to update that
peak escarp
I'll find it when I get home - I think I have it bookmarked
slate matrix
Does zen have lore
pearl blade
Minimal but yeah
errant void
Well, we know he is a former member of the Shimbali, having left them because he disagreed with them on how to solve the issues between Omnics and humans. At some point, he meets Genji, and helps Genji accept himself as part man, part robot. Asides from that for lore... There really isn't anything. Zenyarta is another character with little lore to him
peak escarp
he has the least lore of any hero
steep pendant
did hammond eat the moonkey man 🤔
limpid agate
@steep pendant Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
steep pendant
oh
valid shell
Correct.
limpid agate
Wonder if they will give us a name for him
lean prawn
Hanamura Night Raid would be a pretty cool name
lean prawn
oh
peak escarp
Taro Yamada
lean prawn
why is pompy in the set
peak escarp
reference?
limpid agate
That's the name of your love interest in Yandere Simulator
peak escarp
apparently most languages have a default name like that
lean prawn
the guy reminds me of dandy
peak escarp
like in Polish, "A universal placeholder name for a man is Jan Kowalski (kowal meaning smith, blacksmith); for a woman, Janina Kowalska is used less often, sometimes with a different first name."
limpid agate
Im reading more about the Japanese placeholder names
They use a whole bunch of them
long ermine
janana kowanaskana
peak escarp
also Jewvia - I found that clip I mentioned earlier, but I got it wrong
they didn't say the glasses weren't literally Harold's glasses - they said they represented Harold
limpid agate
Link
peak escarp
it was the one where they mention the narration on Dragons being Hanzo/Genji's grandfather
they mention the glasses around 9:10
limpid agate
Neat.
If we get a teaser for Hero 29
It will likely be on Friday
That's when Sombra/D.Va got theirs
Mei got hers on the Monday on the week of
Genji/Moira got none
So I wouldnt look out for one until Friday the earliest, personally
peak escarp
so next weekend some time
limpid agate
If it comes early, thats nice. But I wouldnt expect it
timid eagle
I think what I love about this upcoming hero, is that we don’t know ANYTHING.
timid eagle
Same.
peak escarp
and if it is the Junker Queen like everyone thinks, we know next to nothing about her
timid eagle
Aside from her massive rack and mohawk, along with what little bits we know.
Oh, and she HATES Junkrat.
Not sure about Roadhog, as her history with him is more ambiguous.
Yeah, I know he’s barred from Junkertown, but we don’t know much about the Queen’s history with Roadhog before pig boy meet up with Junkrat.
quasi fern
She physically looks like rein and zarya together and she would be a melee hero right
timid eagle
While I’m hoping we will never get another DPS Hero, I’m expecting the Queen to be a Melee/Tank hybrid.
Especially with the fact that she has a history of being a mech pilot in the JunkerTown Scrapyard.
valid shell
Let's not start discussing Queen's potential kit based on one piece of cropped concept art and a single still from Wrecking Ball's origin video.
We've already done that a dozen times.
timid eagle
Fair enough.
In either case, we don’t know anything from what Hero #29 will be.
And I like that.
Moria came out of nowhere, and she was a great surprise.
limpid agate
Meh.
I still think Queen was more or less certain for a while now.
Unless we get a surprise MEKA pilot.
But I doubt it
valid shell
And I still have my chips on black when it comes to the Queen.
...That means I don't think we'll get her.
I don't play roulette.
I don't know the rules.
peak escarp
lol
limpid agate
Putting it on black means you're betting 50/50
valid shell
Then I'm putting it on blue.
limpid agate
I'll take that bet. Blue isn't even on the wheel. Green is, its exactly 1/37 of the slots.
fiery knot
fellas
pharas dad is native american and soilder 76 is american but also is kinda like a surrogate dd to phara
bare with m here
so 76 stole phara from her dad
just like cchristopher cumolonimbus stole land from the native americans
so in conclusion soilder 76 is getting a new skin called christopher 76
cunning ledge
serious discussion here please
fiery knot
oh my bad
brisk ledge
I'm sure he's Canadian
dense maple
im not a young man anymore, eh?
terse oak
errant void
Soldier is from Indiana
terse oak
We don't know where he was born do we?
I vaguely remember Indiana being his early base
errant void
I don't know. I liked the release of Sombra, where so much, yet so little, was known about her. Moira was an interesting release, but you can't exactly hype something that isn't known, if that makes sense
also im realizing that that is an old conversation but
regal coyote
if the lego set has any redeeming value to lore then there is at least a yakuza member in it
still no sombra though =.= or hammond
cunning ledge
I talked to the guy who designed it on reddit, apparently they did look through a lot of lore for ideas
naive bolt
Does the Lucio ohs box has any lore to it?
iron plume
it does exist in-universe but there's nothing deeper
he's a celebrity who has an endorsed product line
regal coyote
is there any things like free toys in it
naive bolt
^^^
valid shell
No.
valid shell
<@&397922982632226816>
limpid agate
Ok, neat.
So what's the official name or title for Pompadour
I also like how he is saying that the Satellite Drone isn't a vehicle, it can just be used like one because thats what kids like playing with
EDIT: I checked, I can comment, but can't give you information that didn't leak in the pictures, probably do an AMA once Blizzcon is out of the way.
He is expecting more lego set announcements at Blizzcon.
Maybe something with new lore
Or maybe he was told to design something for the new hero
cunning ledge
I was thinking lego verison of the new hero when I saw that
although possibly it's a bit risky marketing wise?
all the current lego heroes are base game heroes
feral lintel
i could see a junkrat/roadhog/junker queen set being announced, perhaps
limpid agate
Junkertown set with the Queen
pearl blade
I think it'd be a good set. Draw people in with existing characters while introducing a new one
limpid agate
I can see it
pearl blade
Include the bike
cunning ledge
Lucio is the character I felt was the most missing from the lineup we've seen
limpid agate
Or a Queen + Hammond set like the DVa/Rein
cunning ledge
not sure how they'd do roadhog, possibly something unique like Winston
limpid agate
Hes not wrong about kids wanting to play with vehicles more than buildings
When I was a kid, I liked building star wars spaceships
Its also that they arent making new lore. They are just reintroducing things that already exist.
But a Slipstream would be cool to see.
subtle moss
because parents love nothing more than a set of violent criminals. ;P
feral lintel
judging by the box, reinhardt out of his armor is as big as the other characters in lego form, so they might do that with roadhog, too @cunning ledge
cunning ledge
reinhardt in his armous is ridiculously out of proportion
the armour is like a good 5 times his figure height
or something
they didn't even try and make rein the proper size
torpid lake
hmm
feral lintel
man, i wish lego dimensions didn't get shut down
it would've been nice to eventually see an overwatch themed expansion for it
https://i.gyazo.com/76c8e8ae26da99acbbcfd3a4c6233d23.png
lol, i guess they didn't have enough money in the budget to give mccree a hat and hair
frank gorge
some people think they might be making a lego overwatch game to expand on lore
feral lintel
that hasn't been confirmed
besides, if they make a lego overwatch game they might have to tone it down a little to fit a lower rating
frosty shell
I never played the game, but I would've liked LEGO dimensions sets for things you never would've expected
Like, say, a Tom & Jerry Lego Dimensions game or something
Or Rocky and Bullwinkle
copper moat
Honestly, I think the lego thing is a thing to help the budget. If overwatch 2 is really a thing. This could be possibly why they did it. Or for advertisement
I don't think it's gonna be for lore. The lego has to follow the movie/game. They can't make a lego set with no background knowlledge because most of the community is in the game. Not the legosets (besides kids)
limpid agate
Why would they make Overwatch 2 when they can instead just keep improving Overwatch @copper moat
frank gorge
why would overwatch 2 be a thing considering that they're constantly adding new heroes and maps
copper moat
It was hinted. But since overwatch is losing popularity. They won't have any players, look at sequel games who had a revival due to release of a second version or an upgrade
copper moat
I saw something on youtube. Maybe it wasn't hinted. My bad
frank gorge
overwatch is losing popularity but it's not dying
copper moat
Yea its not dying. I know that, just the queues are getting longer. But yea. Its going strong
copper moat
Seriously? :o
frank gorge
at least for me recently
limpid agate
If you want a new source of revenue.
Rather than make a new game... DLC is an option
frank gorge
anyway idk what you're talking about
limpid agate
And you cant make new PvP DLC at this point
frank gorge
queue times are really short recently
limpid agate
But PvE isnt off limits
copper moat
People want a campaign version of overwatch so. That's what overwatch 2 could have been.
frank gorge
why call it overwatch 2
copper moat
Yea just a dlc?
copper moat
We'll see. Anyways. Back to the lego. What are your opinions on the lore?
feral lintel
i sometimes wonder what the original MMO concept for the game would've played like.
frank gorge
lore is the worst it's ever been
copper moat
Yea i see that.
limpid agate
Pompadour guy. If he has a name, thats best case for giving lore from Lego
frank gorge
if the game isn't dying, the lore sure as hell is
copper moat
Pompadour guy?
frank gorge
unless the rumors are right and blizzcon is revealing a ton of new lore
copper moat
Okay i'll look.
feral lintel
i have a feeling the devs weren't planning for people to get so attached to the lore
frank gorge
we might be getting a mccree short
copper moat
I see that.
limpid agate
@frank gorge Dont count on the poster telling you who is in the short
frank gorge
eh
limpid agate
Its never the case for Blizzcon
limpid agate
Blizzcon 2016 had Ana
2017 had Pharah
2018 has McCree
But the shorts we got were
Sombra
Rein
????
limpid agate
No
frank gorge
imo i think wasted land would have worked much better as an animated short
copper moat
Shit yea. You're right
limpid agate
Poster of Bastion - The Last Bastion
Mei on Poster - Rise and Shine
D.Va - Shooting Star
frank gorge
so no mccree short
frank gorge
it would be amazing if they went and made a lucio short or zenyatta short
limpid agate
Gamescom 2016 - Bastion
Blizzcon 2016 - Ana
Gamescom 2017 - Pharah
Blizzcon 2017 - Doomfist
Gamescom 2018 - D.Va
Blizzcon 2018 - McCree
frank gorge
i figure at this point blizzard isn't allowed to give torbjorn any more lore
limpid agate
Torb has plenty
frank gorge
wait hold on, didn't they say they were supposed to make a pharah short
frank gorge
the junkenstein's revenge torbjorn/viking has more lore than zenyatta does
copper moat
Yea. All we know for zen is he supposedly trained genji and hes an omnic
Is there anymore for zen?
frank gorge
he was a member of the shambali
he disagreed with their methods of teaching and pursued his own path
copper moat
Shambali? Damn i never heard of it. I gotta catch up
frank gorge
though he remained on good terms with mondatta, the leader of the shambali
copper moat
Okau
frank gorge
zenyatta is implied to have had other students
valid shell
Shambali are the pseudo-Buddhist group of Omnics living in Nepal who believe all living things are connected by some vague element called The Iris.
frank gorge
from his bio saying "those who cross his path are never the same"
uncut dew
can winston have kids
limpid agate
He's a gorilla
valid shell
He's a mammal.
limpid agate
So
valid shell
So maybe.
limpid agate
Probably
frank gorge
he could, with another gorilla
limpid agate
I doubt the genetic therapy tied his tubes
copper moat
I dont think there are no genetically modified gorillas on earth with him
valid shell
And Zenyatta questions if his brothers and sisters would welcome him back to Nepal, so his fragmentation from the Shambali might not have been entirely cordial.
uncut dew
can he have kids with OW heros?
limpid agate
No
copper moat
Omg dont
valid shell
No.
copper moat
Just cause he is able to talk. Doesnt make him human lol
valid shell
Gorillas cannot reproduce with humans. Why do you do this.
copper moat
True but he loves his science
frank gorge
that would be cute in lore
uncut dew
cause they have powers and mutations and stuff so why not make them able to have kids with creatures outside of their species
valid shell
I refuse to imagine that.
copper moat
I dont understand. Interbreeding with humans is quite impossible
valid shell
@uncut dew Because I doubt the scientists considered altering his sperm as well as his brain?
frank gorge
imagine winston and his adoptive son
valid shell
Why is this a conversation.
copper moat
^
limpid agate
Moving on
valid shell
Let's get back to Zenyatta.
frank gorge
idk why it's brought up
copper moat
Alright so zen.
uncut dew
@copper moat most of the powers they have are impossible
frank gorge
winston could only have a human kid if he adopted, end of discussion
copper moat
True but
uncut dew
ok ty
frank gorge
i wonder if winston even has citizenship
limpid agate
maybe
frank gorge
he is a genius scientist, so i can imagine he's taken seriously
copper moat
He probably does. Knowing that he is the leader of overwatch
limpid agate
Depends on the country
frank gorge
still, he's also a gorilla
copper moat
Oh shit
valid shell
That's the crux of Overwatch's political plot.
copper moat
Also
uncut dew
right
copper moat
Numbani
uncut dew
saudi arabia
copper moat
There are human and omnic relationships
uncut dew
they gave a robot woman citizenship
valid shell
?
uncut dew
in saudi arabia
frank gorge
orisa
limpid agate
Saudi was literally never mentioned in the lore
copper moat
Yea she was created by a citizen
valid shell
Not SA.
limpid agate
Orisa is from Numbani, which is Africa
valid shell
How do people get this confused.
frank gorge
i know
limpid agate
Thats not even the same continent as Saudi
frank gorge
i forgot what we're talking about again
i just mentioned orisa because she's an omnic but doesn't appear to be one
uncut dew
do all the heros speak english?
copper moat
Yea they do
frank gorge
and was built with parts from machines built for the sole purpose of protection
copper moat
Oh shit you'rw righr
frank gorge
neither does hammond
limpid agate
Hammond built a translator
frank gorge
his mech can speak as a way of translation
valid shell
I think Hammond's not physically capable of forming words.
frank gorge
how sentient is bastion
limpid agate
Hammond knows English, and can communicate in it
frank gorge
is that ever explained
limpid agate
Bastion is a sentient being.
frank gorge
to what extent
valid shell
Bastian is arguably sapient, but he's sentient.
copper moat
Do you think hammond can understand bastion?
copper moat
Was there ever like. Proof that someone understood bastion? ⏬
limpid agate
@copper moat No
valid shell
Zenyatta can.
valid shell
But they probably communicate through some other kind of interfacing.
copper moat
Okay. So do you think there is anylore between bastion and zen?
frank gorge
no
limpid agate
Omnics probably have another way of interacting
valid shell
No.
limpid agate
Like, look at Null Sector.
frank gorge
bastion is currently kind of like torbjorn's pet
valid shell
Bastion's only been active very recently.
frank gorge
canonically, torbjorn built new armor for bastion
we need a skin with that
ironclad bastion
valid shell
He was dropped in Germany but never activated until only recently in the timeline.
frank gorge
where he has torb-esque designs
limpid agate
@frank gorge You do have a skin for that
frank gorge
red and black, with the ironclad logo
limpid agate
Its his default skin
valid shell
Bastion was designed by Torbjorn (partially).
copper moat
Wait isnt there a comic aboit that?
limpid agate
Bastion woke up and wandered the Earth in Overgorwn skin
limpid agate
Its implied Torbjorn's repair was his default skin
copper moat
YESSS
frank gorge
no
copper moat
awesome :)
frank gorge
actually
valid shell
Brigitte pretty hard confirms it.
frank gorge
bastion is implied to have went underwater, the default skin is seen in Binary before it meets torbjorn
frank gorge
ah
frank gorge
actually it looks more like omnic crisis with faded paint