He should be
#lore-discussion
runic scroll
although it would be interesting to see what happens to winston being called monkey if we do get a bona fide monkey
but i'd rather not get another animal lol
has there been a pattern to their in-game roles when new heroes are added?
limpid agate
No
Support
Damage
Tank
Damage
Support
Support
Tank
???
???
So you cant use role to predict the hero
runic scroll
tank and damage maybe to go 3/3/3 lol but i doubt it
yeah seems pretty random
probably just what blizz thinks the meta needs
lorewise though i'd like to see a talon tank
limpid agate
Maybe next year
rocky vapor
We haven't gotten a Talon Tank yet. But what would the Talon Tank be?
runic scroll
idk, do you mean like ability set? because that's gameplay
i really wish there was more material about hard light
vishkar could be portrayed as a mega evil greedy company if the company could undo all of their hard light creations at will
and uses it to leverage stuff
rocky vapor
there's so many interesting things about hard light that the creators could use, like maybe another vishkar's character could build small steps or something to get to other places? idk, that was a bad example all I'm trying to say is that hard light has a lot of potential gameplay and lore wise
runic scroll
like, is hard light pretty much independent matter once it's made or what
and what's the difference between barriers (rein shield, sym ult, etc) and what seems to be actual constructs like sym turret
is hard light a category of matter, or is it a specific material? etc
rocky vapor
maybe there are certain kinds of hard light? like the builder/creator can decide if it's actual constructs or
runic scroll
i understand that it's a hand-wavy magic setting for blizzard that's more useful to them if left vague, but i do wish we had a liiiiittle more info at least
maybe
limpid agate
Theres different kinds in Sym alone
rocky vapor
I still really want Maximilian as a hero. He'd most likely be a dps, imo.
valid shell
We don't know what he would be.
runic scroll
yeah, my question is whether her barrier and turret are made of the same material but somehow arranged differently, or if they're technically different material that are both categorized as "hard light" like gold and silver are both metals
limpid agate
Teleports and Turrets (Solid complex objects)
The Bridge (Or wall in game) (Rigid light)
The orbs (comics ver) (Phase through matter like Dragons)
Its all hard light
valid shell
Being a robot automatically circumvents most conventions.
I've always liked the idea of Maximilien being the obligatory "pet class", and have two Omnic bodyguards who tank for him.
runic scroll
so is maximillian the only individual omnic villain of significance so far?
or does that thing from pharah comic also count as an omnic villain
valid shell
Anubis is debatably an Omnic.
AI, much more likely.
So yes, Max is the only significant Omnic villain.
valid shell
They're both robots. Would make more sense to gattai into it.
runic scroll
if omnics can do that, that'd be cool
i've always wondered if omnics could replace their limbs for purpose-made parts or something
and on a more radical spectrum, literally just transplant their CPU into a different body or something
peak escarp
I don't think they can switch their CPU to a new body, but replacing body parts is probably doable
dense maple
theyd have to be incredibly careful with the cpu and itd be highly risky, thats pretty much their brain
itd be like trying to switch a human brain to another body
i mean if theyre capable of giving humans (cree for example) perfectly working omnic arms, i cant see why they cant replace an omnic part with another omnic part when theyre even designed for it
runic scroll
yeah
i wonder that means you'll never see a disabled omnic
unless there's some irreparable connection issue
dense maple
there are probably some that cannot afford it or are denied service
considering the omnic discrimination due to the war that happened
timid eagle
So much for my dreams of playing a Dog Support.
valid shell
@timid eagle A robotic dog could be tight.
Laika 2.0, an unmanned Russian rover supposed to end up on Mars before the Omnic Crisis broke out.
Repurposed for battlefield support.
worthy rose
Ik I sound pretty ignorant but I have not really gotten into the lore of overwatch yet.. where do u guys get all this information.. besides the animated shorts. Ik there are comics but idk how to get them
I have been kind of wanting it to unravel before I have dug in.
But I’m interested now
gusty fjord
So
Winston is gay??
I'm confused
He and Torb are there on the LGBT thread
in the Overwatch forums
peak escarp
that thread is full of trolls
gusty fjord
oh
valid shell
And Torbjorn has a wife and children.
@worthy rose Check the pins!
Everything you need is there.
worthy rose
ah k thanks
peak escarp
@worthy rose you can find lore in the comics, the animated shorts, the hero bios, the in-game interactions, and the map details
worthy rose
Yeah ik the in game and map stuff just never really got into the comics just cause I couldn’t find them
peak escarp
there's also a few in-universe articles on the PlayOverwatch news page (you have to scroll around to find them)
I've compiled a list of all the linkable lore sources here:
worthy rose
k I’ll look into it
valid shell
What.
valid shell
I saw that Sephiroth cosplay.
feral lintel
there are four lgbt+ characters in ow: tracer, emily, lynx seventeen and guillermo portero (five if you count guillermo's partner, miguel, but he's only been mentioned once)
limpid agate
Lynx is not LGBT
peak escarp
Nonbinary is included under the LGBT+ umbrella, Jewvia
limpid agate
Yes
feral lintel
i'm not getting into that debate, lol
valid shell
Lynx is a robot.
limpid agate
Lynx is built non-binary
valid shell
They have no genitalia and no gender.
limpid agate
Zenyatta being male is closer to what constitutes as LGBT than Lynx being non-binary
peak escarp
it's not about what parts you have, it's how you identify
valid shell
So is Snowball also LGBTQLMFAO+ because it doesn't identify as either gender?
limpid agate
You cannot judge omnics with the same criterea you judge humans.
Same with Bastion
Bastion has no understanding of the concept of gender
And identifies as nothing
valid shell
You can only open that LGBT umbrella so wide, homie.
limpid agate
We do have 4 LGBT characters in Overwatch, even if we do exclude Miguel
Tracer, Emily, Portero
And the 2nd LGBT hero
feral lintel
eh, i remember they said there's "at least one lgbt hero" in overwatch
that doesn't mean there is more than one
limpid agate
After Tracer
They said there is another
And they said there were multiple way back before Tracer
valid shell
Currently in-game, which excludes new releases.
limpid agate
At the time of Sombra, they said there are LGBT heroes plural
valid shell
So excluding Torbjorn, Ana, Doomfist, Brigitte, Moira, Hammond, Orisa.
limpid agate
You can exclude:
Bastion
Tracer
Heroes released after Sombra
Ana, Widow, and Torb.
Zarya
The second LGBT hero is someone in that remaining pool.
valid shell
I would like to exclude Junkrat and Roadhog, despite their following.
limpid agate
Could be Soldier. Could be Reaper. Could be D.Va. I think its probably Soldier based on the photo he held from Reflections, but 🤷
@valid shell One could be gay, but not both for each other.
feral lintel
i think that if they ever add another lgbt hero, it won't be someone already in the game
valid shell
I feel picking radiation-addled wasteland anarchists to be gay would be poor form.
@feral lintel I'd rather they pick someone already in-game.
limpid agate
They said its someone already in game
Like
We already know
D.Va, Reinhardt, Roadhog, Winston, Genji, Hanzo, Junkrat, McCree, Mei, Pharah, Reaper, Soldier, Symmetra, Lucio, Mercy, Zen
One of these heroes
Are LGBT
valid shell
?
limpid agate
Saying an omnic being non-binary is LGBT doesn't count
Because they're non-binary by default.
That's like saying Torbjorn is a lesbian because he has a wife instead of a husband
feral lintel
they aren't anything by default
valid shell
Wuh.
feral lintel
male, female, non binary, whatever
limpid agate
Zenyatta identifies as a male.
He could still be gay.
Omnics are capable of identifying as a gender. But that doesn't mean that choosing not to makes them LGBT.
It appears they instead have the choice to be gendered
You could argue all gendered omnics are transexual, in that case.
Except Orisa, who appears to be designed by Efi to be female.
feral lintel
orisa is also one month old, so she probably doesn't have enough of a developed "mind" to care about things like that yet
limpid agate
She is still learning, but she is by no means a newborn
valid shell
It would be much smoother for an already beloved and accepted hero to be revealed to be LGBT, rather than having the brand new one shoed in to be only known as "THE TRANS CHARACTER".
Better for it to be a tertiary footnote of their characterization rather than their defining feature.
feral lintel
that would be nice, but that's generally how it goes
valid shell
Of course not, but it would give them a fighting chance.
feral lintel
or worse, writers tend to pull a "dumbledore" and only confirm characters as lgbt after the fact
valid shell
They didn't out Tracer as gay in the Cinematic Trailer. That worked okay.
They didn't announce Symmetra as The Autistic Hero. She worked out fine.
peak escarp
it works best when it's integrated as part of their story in a natural way, without it being their defining trait
valid shell
^
peak escarp
like Holt from B99
limpid agate
Or Portero
valid shell
^^
limpid agate
Portero is the perfect gay
feral lintel
idk, from what i've seen of B99, it's constantly brought up with him?
peak escarp
also Portero
limpid agate
Portero is a well written way to make a character gay.
gusty fjord
Who's portero?
limpid agate
The guy that runs the powerplant in Dorado
feral lintel
peak escarp
just a casual "my husband and I would love to have you over for dinner"
valid shell
He's just a dude who happens to have a husband. No need to virtue signal about it.
feral lintel
moving onto a different topic
in junkenstein, the swordsman's sword has the same name as genji's sword
i heard him say it to brigitte/the shieldmaiden
valid shell
Sounds about right.
gusty fjord
I like that personally
runic scroll
Which comic was portero in?
gusty fjord
It's a "blink and you'll miss it" moment sort of deal
timid eagle
Lucio and/or Hanzo, to me, might be bisexual or gay.
timid eagle
I can’t put my finger on why, but I have a hunch.
gusty fjord
Seriously though, when is Blizzcon?
feral lintel
i think it'll be sombra, but that's just me
peak escarp
16 days
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
if you buy the virtual ticket
timid eagle
It’s basically that, yes.
limpid agate
You can watch the opening ceremony free
gusty fjord
It's not on Twitch or something?
limpid agate
Thats where the announcements are
peak escarp
the opening ceremonies and the World Cup finals will be free
limpid agate
For all the other shows, you need to pay
peak escarp
but the rest is behind the ticket
dapper shuttle
the What's next panels?
gusty fjord
Will it be posted here or something?
I at least care about the announcmenets and the World Cup
timid eagle
Yeah, someone will usually watch the stream and make a summary post.
peak escarp
yes, the What's Next panel will be behind the ticket
dapper shuttle
wasn't moira's release last year live for free?
timid eagle
I did that last year for my fiends.
dapper shuttle
So the ticket is to see the OWL things?
timid eagle
You also get some free digital goodies for your ticket.
gusty fjord
You can probably find the panels on YouTube as bootleg
lol
I'm more mindful of the announcements and WC
timid eagle
Aside from revealing Hero 29 and the animated short, what else do you guys think will be shown (within realistic expectations)?
peak escarp
preview of the map that will be added next January
timid eagle
Oh, right.
I keep forgetting they make new maps.
I hope it’s another KOTH map, as those are my favourite.
limpid agate
The OWL teams, the Social Feature. If we are lucky, more paid content.
IE: If we're lucky, a monthly/weekly comic series or DLC PvE Expansions
dapper shuttle
I'm hoping for an entirely new gamemode for the classic rotation, not some arcade mode
with a few new maps for this new gamemode, or revisited old maps to fit the new mode
as well as the start of a weekly/monthly lore drop ritual
they didn't add this lore section to the official forums for fun
limpid agate
They wont add a new game mode to the core game unless they test it through arcade first
Best case you get reverse hybrid
But thats gameplay not lore
PvE DLC or comics are the likely best case scenario for lore.
Worst case is none. Close to that is Lego lore.
Which is the equivalent of HotS unless Chu says otherwise.
dapper shuttle
They added a string of text to the gamefiles that says "Beta" so we might get something in its Beta form, soon
The new gamemode could be lore. They have around 10 voicelines (so far unused)for each hero where they talk about "destroying an objective" and protecting an objective, from getting destroyed. That gamemode could have new lore
but it's pure speculation
timid eagle
As far as the new Lore Subjection that’s on the forums is concerned, I hope it doesn’t turn out like the WoW story forums.
@dapper shuttle Thank you for providing this info. I need to look up the voice lines.
dapper shuttle
You won't find them online, I don't think so, you'll have to extract them
Also each hero has 2 voicelines in which they "sense a presence" or "someone hiding nearby" but as far as I can tell it's not used for Sombra and 2 others for "not feeling well"
also unused
Potential second stealth-based hero and potential "sickness/debuff" giving hero
I can give some of those to you guys if someone's interested
feral lintel
one of moira's "someone is hiding nearby" voice lines is "sombra, is that you?"
timid eagle
I remember listening to those Sombra detection voice lines. It’s a missed opportunity for Reaper to growl “....Sombra!” with his.
feral lintel
the lines are likely left ambiguous to account for future heroes with cloaking abilities
if they're ever made, that is
timid eagle
True, but it would’ve been hilarious for Reaper to have at least one character-context voice line.
feral lintel
like, characters don't say "look out, it's widowmaker/hanzo/ana" because there are three snipers
so they just say "look out, it's a sniper"
long ermine
What’s that about
iron plume
he deleted his messages
doesn't matter
chilly peak
unfortunately, we can't hype because of unused voice lines. Some of them hinted Valentine's Day, and there are Athena's voice lines like "objective D captured, commence attack on objective E".
And all of them are very old
rain moss
i wish we got athena as a support ugh
that sleek looking omnic in that one promo pic looked so good
iron plume
the old ones are, but we have those lines for new heroes
like the ones regarding a destructible objective
regal coyote
@limpid agate we WILL get ledo lore anyways
LEGO would make that to push their product if not blizz
so there will be soem lego shit for sure
feral lintel
yeah but lego lore won't be canon, probably
i think it's a smart move for them to scrap a valentine's day event
iron plume
it was never going to be an event
and some of those lines do play on/around it
same as new year's
elder wasp
@rain moss Can you link that picture? I haven't seen / heard of it
frosty shell
Technically, Ana/Torb/Widow could all still be bi
And Zarya was never said not to be gay, I'm assuming you're just assuming "there's no way they would make Zarya gay because then that comic/short would have to be banned in Russia"
In fact, some people thought she was the most likely character to be gay
dense maple
i dont think zarya cares at all about sexuality
she's a war-hardened soldier
torb has a daughter, ana has a daughter, widow had a husband
elder wasp
They can still be bisexual
feral lintel
what is overwatch rated in russia? if it's rated 18+ then they can include lgbt+ content
feral lintel
i recall the reflections comic is banned there
frosty shell
I believe Blizzard chose to not release it there
feral lintel
limpid agate
Which is why Zarya will never be LGBT
feral lintel
they could, if they want to kill off their russian market for OW
regal coyote
also, a muscular gemle as a lesbian is too cliche and hence unlikely
we know some people are never gay (at best bi) namely the ones with offsprings
feral lintel
OW won't go there, but i've heard plenty of stories about people who only realized they're gay after being married and having children for a while
tepid abyss
I remember a programme with a wife with a gay husband, and she said before she knew "FOR sOmE REAsoN MY husBaND INsisTS On ANal" 
regal coyote
well i would say they are bisexual at least for a time
and the situation you mention was back where there is a huge stigma for being lgbt, and people are mentally (if nto worse) forced to identify as being hetero
but pretty sure that would be a non-issue on overwatch already, the problem would be "dont fuck that toaster/omnic"
feral lintel
yep. hopefully homophobia and transphobia aren't as bad in the future setting of overwatch
feral lintel
omniphobia sounds like it means a fear of everything
runic scroll
Mechanophobia
limpid agate
I think it qualifies as Xenophobia
cunning ledge
^
timid eagle
“My therapist says I have a preoccupation with vengeance. We’ll see about that.”
Reaper voice line I wish was in the game
feral lintel
as if reaper would go to therapy
timid eagle
He makes references to basketball players, and we don’t see him play basketball.
limpid agate
He is a Lakers fan
feral lintel
he was a lakers fan
i doubt he indulges in things like watching sports anymore when he has a terrorist organization to help run
nova elbow
hey, just because you're a mass murdering ghost doesn't mean you can't enjoy the odd game when you need to wind down
feral lintel
see, i feel like it's physically impossible for reaper to wind down
because he's in a constant state of agony
long ermine
do we know that?
feral lintel
i guess he could just be lying to get ana to join his side
seems like something he would do
long ermine
not saying he was necerssarily lying, but more that he isnt still suffering that we know of
feral lintel
we don't know what is the truth or a lie when it comes to reaper most of the time
iron plume
oh hey it's the "banned in russia" meme
doesn't look banned to me https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/403021440309526541/502573285935153152/unknown.png?width=628&height=682
regal coyote
In this case
maybe Gabe truly thinks abandoning Ana in that incident is not the right thing to do
But gabe uses "they" instead of "he"
so he is blaming someone and soemthing else rather than Jack only
regal coyote
yes, or more specifically whoever controls over overwatch
and I dont mean Jack
cause jack is right there
if he think Jack is the seed of all this then he would say HE
sicne jack is like a few feet away from him
feral lintel
"they" likely includes jack, at least
regal coyote
implies also someone else
regal coyote
no idea
but consider ana/jack is pretty much the top people of overwatch, saying "they" means the higher up responsable
probably the Petra eprson is a fucking bitch
peak escarp
whoever it was that didn't go back to look for Ana and left her for dead
Jack had Director Petras to answer to
feral lintel
ana willingly pretended to be dead
peak escarp
and probably the UN
yes, but Overwatch still should have gone looking for her
this implies that they didn't
feral lintel
they probably did, but she left before they got there
reaper doesn't know that
he just wants her on his side
regal coyote
not true
if that is the case Jack would have guessed Ana is alive
so yeah Ana is abandoned
feral lintel
well, at least she didn't join reaper, lol
regal coyote
now if both jack and gabe things there is a fuckup somewhere in the whole thing
there is probably something
they might have a wrong idea of what it is, but there is a thing
peak escarp
my theory is that Ana's "death" and Jack/Overwatch not going back to look for her is what caused the falling out between Gabe and Jack
regal coyote
and no it is not doomfist's talon either
peak escarp
Gabe is still made at Jack for abandoning her
regal coyote
have you though of this though
why all the way tog et medical help at poland
Ana wants to disappear from radar
means she knows something is wrong
could ahve she found something along the way of surviving out of that place
feral lintel
didn't gabriel try overthrowing jack's leadership on the day the swiss hq blew up?
long ermine
unconfirmed iirc
feral lintel
it's on the wiki, so someone should update that
feral lintel
gamepedia
iron plume
huh
regal coyote
summon jewvia to fix
peak escarp
Dorado is in Mexico
wooden frost
no
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
Dorado is a city in Mexico set high above a sweeping bay. The city is powered by gigantic ziggurats, which can be seen glowing around the bay. These were constructed by LumériCo, and as the final one was constructed, CEO Guillermo Portero gave a speech to mark the occasion. The city holds a festival that celebrates the end of the Omnic Crisis, though it possesses an underground criminal element.
The Overwatch Wiki.
feral lintel
don't shitpost here, please and thank you
limpid agate
@wooden frost Shitposting will result in a loss of access, this is your final warning.
@regal coyote @feral lintel Fix what
From Fading Glory
The wiki appears to be correct.
worthy rose
What do you think about reaper? Is he unhappy right now?
I remember Christmas comics and he looked very bad
peak escarp
he doesn't have much to be happy about
limpid agate
What?
timid eagle
Well, the guys body is simultaneously regenerating and falling apart.
Not much to be happy about when that’s happening, is there?
rain moss
@elder wasp http://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/2017/11/overwatch.png?itok=McBJBERH this pic has a feminine omnic just above torbjorn, with a logo similar to athena's A on her torso, there was another pic like this but i can't find it
it was the subject of a lot of speculation a long time ago
peak escarp
rain moss
yeah
peak escarp
she was on the page of concept heroes revealed at the history of Overwatch panel last year
timid eagle
McCloud and Recluse look awesome!
rain moss
that's much older than the pic i sent though isn't it? could have been an old name for athena
anyways i wish we'd gotten a lot of these
recluse in particular looks awesome
peak escarp
the Prometheus spread was part of the same game pitch
rain moss
but they're basically from a different game
prometheus's proposal was so different to overwatch
timid eagle
I wouldn’t mind that Symmetra design as an Archives Skin.
untold veldt
I hope they do more stuff like that this year
That panel was probably the best they've ever done
tepid abyss
Are omnics known to follow any religion(s)?
cunning ledge
.... the shambali?
Zenyatta, Mondatta (until he died) and the other Shambali members practise the very vague Iris religion/belief
tepid abyss
I couldn't tell if that is a religion or a set of codes they follow
worthy rose
I’m hoping someday they will have a mercy animated short
feral lintel
i'm sure there will be
pure kernel
storm sierra
seems like they keep coming out with shorts, so probably
feral lintel
there are tons of popular theories about what the blizzcon short will be, but they could still throw a curveball and make it about mercy 🤷
iron plume
it being about mercy is one of the popular theories
worthy rose
reaper pls
feral lintel
no reaper short pls
chilly peak
McCree is most likely to happened. But of course another hero can get short
feral lintel
i haven't seen any theories about the short being about mercy
chilly peak
Yea, Reaper has the most screentime 😂
feral lintel
only mccree, lucio and/or symmetra
long ermine
I feel like Mercy is a lot more boring than people think
don't think there's much they could give her a short about, or expand upon in her lore
shes just mercy
feral lintel
she's only boring because she has like... almost no lore
long ermine
shes got a decent amount compared to a lot of heroes
fluid yarrow
yeah she has got a lot more than some when you boil it down
its not that shes got little lore its that her characters lore is just a bit... how would you say it? boring
regal coyote
works better for her as a comic really
since lots of her thing is explanation, done better in words
that way she feel less stuck up on moral stupidity on it, and more on how things are and her ideals
peak escarp
how can people say Mercy has no lore? We know basically her entire life story
iron plume
her “entire life story” is three sentences
iron plume
yeah totally sounds like a lot of lore to me
peak escarp
still more than a good deal of the cast
iron plume
went to medical school, joined overwatch, helps people, hates military
wew what a story mark
and yes there are more starved people
but we have people with more gaps that still have more lore
because we’re actually shown their story
rather than told in one sentence
peak escarp
went to medical school, became head surgeon at a swiss hospital, invented some nanobiotic tech, got recruited by Overwatch, saved Genji's life, invented the valkyrie suit
iron plume
just because we know her timeline in vague terms doesn’t mean she has lore
we’re told in grand terms about her pacifism and staunch principles but are also never shown that
peak escarp
lore is any information about the story or the heroes
iron plume
right now her story covers all of her life but has zero depth
peak escarp
not just the visual stuff
peak escarp
she speaks quite a bit in Uprising
she berates Jack for not acting in the King's Row uprising
tells him people could be dying
iron plume
okay, she has a replaceable angel-on-the-shoulder role, good to know
peak escarp
she's still there for 2 pages
iron plume
and that’s supposed to be enough lore
iron plume
it is in comparison to all but the most zenyatta lore starved heroes
subtle moss
It's difficult for Mercy to get lore because she has no appreciable character at the moment, she's closer to a paragon and a symbol than a person. I don't know how her playerbase would react to her getting something, depending on what it was.
subtle moss
Hm, true.
I dunno, the problem with Mercy
is that she's built up as basically being an 'angel', right? It's all her symbolism and such
she's so great and wonderful
the only direction she has to go is down, which the people that like her might not be happy with
If they want to do anything meaningful.
Otherwise it's a few minutes of nothing.
I suppose you could still do something 'fun,' but that's about it.
Never meet your heroes and all.
feral lintel
judging by how much people love witch mercy, they probably won't mind mercy having some negative characterization as much as you think they would
iron plume
she's presented as a symbol to the world but she has struggles
her entire career in overwatch is a mistake and a betrayal of her ideals, by her own standard
where it could be presented most clearly is in refusal to join new overwatch
you can absolutely show her struggle without some kind of need to "take her down"
limpid agate
Why do people in the forum keep suggestion Leonora is a likely candidate for 29?
feral lintel
who's leonora?
warm harness
^^^
limpid agate
The artist who made the exhibit in Rialto
feral lintel
lol, that's so random
feral lintel
i've seen some people think that guillermo portero is also a potential candidate 🤣
limpid agate
I hate forums
feral lintel
then why do you visit them?
timid eagle
Junker Queen would be either a Support or Tank hero.
At least, that’s what I’m hoping.
limpid agate
Why would she ever be a support
worthy rose
Because we got junk for dps, hog for tank, but no junker in the Support spot
That would complete it
worthy rose
Maybe but it makes sense to me
worthy rose
Moon animals?
limpid agate
Winston/Hammond
They're from the Moon
There is nothing about the Queens character that says she should be a healer
worthy rose
Oh yeah
limpid agate
Brig was a mechanic, Moira a geneticist. You can argue Ana but she is the exception not the rule
As for Prelaunch Lucio/Zen, they fill traditional rpg roles that are healers
Bard and Mink
regal coyote
Mink sounds like a furry
worthy rose
We don’t have a hero that fills in the Buccaneer/Pirate archetype right?
feral lintel
ana and junkrat have pirate costume skins
timid eagle
Not yet, unless if you count the pirate skins.
worthy rose
Nah i don’t mean skins
I mean like abilities and sorta lore based
That would be cool imo
limpid agate
Monk*
@worthy rose We have no pirate characters
Maybe if we get a Somalian or Carribean character.
iron plume
I don't see it
Somalian pirate would be in bad taste
and a Caribbean hero could have themes/references but in a jokey way, not as a straight up pirate
long ermine
pirates in the way we think of them rn wouldnt really fit in ow
feral lintel
yeah, well, cowboys wouldn't fit in OW either, and yet...
iron plume
McCree isn't an actual cowboy
he has a cowboy aesthetic but he's a bounty hunter
I could see a pirate being done the same way
a mercenary who has a pirate thing
feral lintel
i suppose
limpid agate
The other thing is a space pirate type of thing
Soneone playing pirate on new technologies or methods of travel
Maybe an omnic crew
🤷
feral lintel
is space travel a common thing in OW? because the only time it comes up is with the moon colony, i think
valid shell
@feral lintel Apparently space exploration was halted when the Crisis started.
limpid agate
@valid shell That sounds familiar, remember the source?
valid shell
@limpid agate Second paragraph of Winston's official bio.
limpid agate
The Horizon Lunar Colony was established as a first step for humanity's renewed exploration of space.
I didn't take that line to mean that the OC stopped it
We haven't done anything since the 70s
valid shell
However you interpret that sentence, the answer to spook's question is the same.
limpid agate
Yup.
timid eagle
Yeah, it’s pretty sad that it will take another 50+ year’s to head back into space colonization.
frosty shell
Lucheng might still be working on new colonies
The size of the lit-up portions of the moon suggest that a lot of work has happened on the moon.
hasty surge
Still clinging on to the hope blizzard would drop an unexpected lore
2 weeks
We didn't even get anything from JR this year
timid eagle
Junkrat loves chicken burrito's, and Roadhog's favourite dish is Mushroom Foo Young.
Or some random nonsense.
timid eagle
I was spit balling what useless lore Michael will drop.
You know, instead of the stuff that we want to know more about, he will say "Zenyatta's favourite colour is cyan."
peak escarp
he does give some lore of substance
like all the bonus info about MEKA after Shooting Star
and most of the stuff we want to know about he can't tell us about
head writers have NDAs too
hasty surge
Maybe our minds are just too small to see how those are connected
Treat all lore drops with respect
🤓
peak escarp
I know it's popular to shit on Chu but he's doing his job
timid eagle
Well, I want to know more about the organization before it formed.
Along with how the original strike team got along.
hasty surge
"OMG do you know junkie LOVES Chicken Burritos?"
"YA OMG that's my favourite now"
"Yes! Zen main cyan main!^^"
I wanna know EVERYTHING
timid eagle
Well, I'm not all that interested with what kind of beverage Junkrat carries in his canteen.
But it's apples and oranges, I guess.
timid eagle
It's done for gameplay reasons.
Also, I feel that he can generate his own ammo for his shotguns, if you want to REALLY justify an in-universe explanation.
hasty surge
I think in universe he really just reloads
cunning ledge
He literally generates the guns out of his body
This is shown to have happened multiple times
And there’s other evidence like when Ana takes off his mask, it disappears a few panels later
lean prawn
the hellfire shotguns are too cumbersome to reload so reaper just has like a million of them on standby
i hope the guns are biodegradable
regal coyote
they seemo to be nanobiotic pseudo science
especiall given the scene of reaper fighting mech in russia
feral lintel
source?
cunning ledge
There’s a merchant guy in one of the games who is known for whispering to you if you want to buy anything and then opening his coat to show you all the random stuff he has
The spray is even called Psst
feral lintel
then where does he keep them?
that spray is the only indication of where his guns could possibly be stored
cunning ledge
"He literally generates the guns out of his body
This is shown to have happened multiple times
And there’s other evidence like when Ana takes off his mask, it disappears a few panels later"
-Me, like 4 hours ago
feral lintel
that doesn't make sense but okay
cunning ledge
what
he can literally turn into mist
including his body, all his armour, guns, etc
that is undeniable canon information
feral lintel
he'd be the most OP character in lore if he can just make weapons out of nothing
cunning ledge
not out of nothing
it's vaugely implied that he needs to drain the bodies of others of "life force" to sustain himself
possibly even just to continue existing
if he wasn't such a bumbling monologuing idiot he could have easily killed winston both times he fought him
i'd say reaper is one of the most powerful characters
feral lintel
okay
worthy rose
Really speaking, Genji and Mercy would be the strongest
feral lintel
i think he's joking
peak escarp
Genji can deflect things, but that really only applies to projectiles - he does nothing against Doomfist in his short.
long ermine
strongest would probably be reaper, tracer, dva, moira
worthy rose
Because Mercy can literally resurrect people
long ermine
in lore she cant
peak escarp
no she can't
peak escarp
if we're saying physically strongest, it's Winston no contest
worthy rose
But anyway for Genji, he has cyber agility so he is probably the fastest aside from Tracer and he has a dragon sword
Like I would put him up there with the strongest
peak escarp
if it's in terms of hardest to defeat . . . probably Reaper, Winston, Doomfist
how do you define "power"
worthy rose
Uh idk
Like why don’t u think Genji is that strong
I honestly don’t focus too much on the lore to be fair
peak escarp
even with all his cyber augmentations, he's still just a human
he's more agile than strong
long ermine
i want someone to have a voiceline saying "He's more machine now than man." about Genji
peak escarp
Zarya kinda says that
long ermine
ya but its not a direct referance
worthy rose
She says something like “how can I trust a man that is half machine?”
Oh well In that case I define power as agility in most cases @peak escarp
peak escarp
it's hard to determine which hero is the most powerful or strongest or who would win in a fight
they all have such different skills it's hard to compare them
long ermine
there are some like Junkrat, Reinhardt, Mercy, Lucio, who imo would be objectively worse off in a fight
peak escarp
true
feral lintel
zenyatta has no way to defend himself other than his own arms and legs
long ermine
i dont think his orbs or balls are canon either so yeah he'd go on the list
in a lore-based battle royale, i think the first ones to go would be Orisa, Junkrat, Lucio, Mercy, Zenyatta, Reinhardt
long ermine
Sure but for the sake of the argument, she's in
realisitcally i dont thin many of them at all would do it
peak escarp
I think Orisa would get farther than expected because all the "good" heroes wouldn't want to hurt her 😛
why would Reinhardt go down early?
long ermine
Okay 😂 meant lore abilities wise, not necerssarily their character
He has no range, he'd get bullied by the likes of cree, pharah, tracer, hanzo, bastion, soldier, etc etc
Brig is similar but shes a lot more brawl-y
think shed get a bit further
peak escarp
most of those heroes would have a hard time getting through his shield at range
Hanzo could do it with his dragons
and Bastion could burn though it
long ermine
true but he wouldn't kill anyone, either. its not like its a 360 shield as well
peak escarp
but the rest wouldn't get through it and it would end up being a stalemate
long ermine
Tracer, Genji, Moira, McCree, Pharah, Doom, Winston, could all probably get through
be it mobility or aoe
peak escarp
what about Reaper?
long ermine
maybe but his wraith doesnt seem to be as common as it is in game, and he'd have to be in reinhardts range to do any decent damage
at which point i think rein wins
feral lintel
we don't know if he can use his wraith form to get through shields anyway
long ermine
i mean his shield isnt very big
can just go round
shields in ow lore are a bit weird anyway
they dont let enemy hard casings through but they do friendlies
long ermine
could be the case actually ye
regal coyote
just remember, in general gameplay downplays ability in lore.
Mccree for example, can rip pieces off a train with his mechanical arm.
So the cybernatic implants are probably much stronger than we might think.
at least on things like genji
long ermine
@regal coyote i think some things are downplayed somethings are up-played, like reaper. in lore we only see him wraith like once a fight, if that
regal coyote
way more than once
Back around the omnic crisis, the omnics were less varied and more military based - Bastions, ones with guns and rockets - but then you’d have more civilian ones like Zenyatta who were built to look more human and go around doing human streets doing human stuff. Those models are from way back then. - cool quote one
regal coyote
"We also know that Katya Volskaya, the most powerful woman in Russia, is dealing with one type of omnic to fight off another. " another nice quote
frosty shell
And is probably quite hard to knock down
feral lintel
reaper seems to use his wraith form more for stealth than anything in lore. i remember he uses it to sneak up on a guard in infiltration, and then again to sneak past a turret
regal coyote
What if she’s a hero? (on Junker Queen)
frosty shell
It's not impossible that Reaper is almost invulnerable in the lore
Although he may only be able to use Wraith Form for a limited time in the lore - we can't really tell
worthy rose
is winston like the strongest character lore wise? because he was able to kick doomfist's ass who beat genji and tracer
and he also 1v1 reaper sucessfly
iron plume
it's likely that he is yes
worthy rose
it's safe to assume villians are gonna be probably the weakest characters lore wise
because they have to lose
iron plume
not really?
if we're going by tropes, individual villains are stronger but the good guys are better at teaming up
worthy rose
it kinda does
iron plume
winston is just fucking strong
worthy rose
since they can't just make the plot go to where talon rules and shit
they made him strong because he is the good guy
iron plume
did you read what i said
worthy rose
'winston is just fucking strong' i didnt really understand anything from that statement
aside that winston is powerful
iron plume
and before then
worthy rose
it dosen't have to do with him being a villian?
iron plume
almost there
worthy rose
if we're going by tropes, individual villains are stronger but the good guys are better at teaming up
worthy rose
individual villains are stronger, except for reaper vs winston
and tracer vs widow is kinda equal from that king's row animation
iron plume
because they are better at working together
and/or plot armor
worthy rose
where does teamwork plays a part in winston vs reaper?
iron plume
winston is presented as very physically strong because he's a gorilla
not because he's the good guy
worthy rose
because he is the good guy they had to make him a strong gorilla
feral lintel
i wonder if zarya can beat winston in a fight
iron plume
no they didn't
worthy rose
reinhardt won against zarya in an arm wrestle btw
iron plume
if he wasn't a super strong gorilla and they needed him to win in a cinematic
they just wouldn't write a story when he was alone versus reaper and a ton of mooks
that's not how story building works
rein vs zarya is not a canon interaction, as an aside
worthy rose
from their dialogue it's safe to assume it happened
iron plume
no
no it isn't
because dialogue represents a what-if
it's not a statement of what actually happened in-universe
worthy rose
it kinda is since they both admit it happened
iron plume
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worthy rose
they probably met and had an arm wrestle and reinhardt won , otherwise the dialogue wouldnt exist
iron plume
no
that's not how dialogue works
tracer has a line of dialogue with herself when picked in no limits
so does d.va
the in-game situations are hypotheticals
including the dialogue
they represent the character but not events
worthy rose
it would be really weird if the zarya / reinhardt dialogue exists while the armwrestle never did
iron plume
it isn't if you let go of the notion that the dialogue is supposed to be real in universe
the game including the interactions is "what would happen if these heroes were put together on a mission for some reason"
worthy rose
i can understand the point u were trying to make
long ermine
in game interactions are what would happen IF they were to ever meet up. it doesnt assume that they HAVE
worthy rose
so is the zarya / reinhardt interaction assumes what is gonna happen if zarya / reinhardt ever had an armwrestle?
long ermine
I don't know what those voicelines imply, I just know that voice lines arent canon necerssarily
just popping in to say that because you're saying, they said it happened in game, so it happened
which isnt how the lore works
as for the actual thing happening 🤷
reinhardt is a traveller so it might make sense
would be a bit weird though
long ermine
probably
long ermine
like for example in game, tracer dislikes sombra
in lore we dont know if they've even met
sombra knows of tracer
we dont know if tracer knows of sombra, or her stolen tech
worthy rose
btw what's the weakest known character lore wise and the strongest one?
iron plume
zen and reaper
long ermine
strongest as in strength or strongest as in, would win in a fight
long ermine
strongest would probably be Winston Zarya reinhardt or Doomfist
iron plume
"win in a fight" is extremely conditional
I wouldn't rule out hog for physical strength
peak escarp
physically weakest would probably be between Zenyatta, Mercy and Moira
long ermine
zen is an omnic
dont think we can base off of that
cuz we know how strong mechanics can be (mccree comic)
peak escarp
I guess
worthy rose
winston is proven to be stronger than doom i think
iron plume
a civilian omnic that wasn't made for combat
worthy rose
since he beat him in a 1v1
long ermine
its not proven
that was a fight
not a test of strength
he probably is stronger, but its not confirmed
iron plume
dva's not much physically either
feral lintel
dva's probably gotten some training in with the military
worthy rose
from what we've seen its safe to assume winston is stronger , but there's still much to be revealed in ow lore
peak escarp
but she's still a 19-yo Korean girl
worthy rose
also does anyone except me hate dva lore-wise?
long ermine
dvas mech is probably pretty strong. dva as a person nah
worthy rose
she's just so perfect
iron plume
in a mercy vs moira debate I'd bet on mercy unless moira has some fade bullshit with her arm
peak escarp
even with some combat training, she's not going to be kicking asses
iron plume
because mercy is a combat field medic while moira is a lab dweller
peak escarp
good point
peak escarp
Orisa was literally built to counter Doomfist
iron plume
yeah, even if Orisa isn't physically stronger, she was specifically made to shut down his strengths
worthy rose
i like how she has an ability that makes her immue to all the cc caused by doom abilitys
since she's built to counter him
iron plume
isn't the thing that OR14s do in the Rein short the same thing
worthy rose
still would be pretty cool if we saw a doomfist vs orisa
iron plume
actually from what we see of orisa and OR14s
peak escarp
yeah, I'd like to see that fight
peak escarp
the OR15s seemed neutered
worthy rose
doom destroyed like 7 or 8 of or-15
peak escarp
they were just security bots
worthy rose
doom might be more powerful after getting out of jail, u never know
but yeah orisa is favored in that fight
feral lintel
did doom already take his gauntlet back when he attacked the OR15s at the airport?
worthy rose
btw was widow the hero that got beaten down by a kid with doomfist's gauntled or reaper?
peak escarp
he smashed an OR15 into the wall with just his prosthetic arm
feral lintel
wow, then those bots were quite weak
peak escarp
@worthy rose it was Widow who got punched
peak escarp
yes
feral lintel
i find it funny that the gauntlet broke after one use in the cinematic trailer
worthy rose
i mean he's bound to lose agains since he's a villian
also tracer isn't really all that powerful lore-wise
long ermine
Yea she is
feral lintel
tracer can survive a lot of things, though
peak escarp
well, the gauntlet was being used wrong
by someone who didn't know how to use it
not surprising that it broke
I expect anything that doesn't fully incapacitate Tracer or damage her chronal accelerator, she can just recall out of
but smart enemies, like Doomfist, will realize this and target her chronal accelerator
feral lintel
she even somehow survived when doomfist destroyed her accelerator. winston must've been able to make a new one fast
peak escarp
without the accelerator, she succumbs to her chronal dissociation
so she wouldn't be injured exactly, just unable to synchronize with the timeline
it's unknown how long she can stay like that before she becomes permanently lost
long ermine
He probably has a few made already
feral lintel
i wonder what its range is, since tracer doesn't have to be wearing it, she just has to be near it
peak escarp
it seems like both in her apartment and at Watchpoint Gibraltar, there's a stand that amplifies the range so she doesn't need to wear it
probably how it charges too
feral lintel
i always figured the stand was just a charger instead of both a charger and an amplifier
peak escarp
maybe
I just thought it being an amplifier made sense
they never really explained it
feral lintel
i think the accelerator is just like that normally, which is why tracer didn't start blinking out uncontrollably until after doomfist destroyed it
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
just because something is true in Junkenstein doesn't make it true in canon
woeful ruin
Road and Sombra
peak escarp
Symmetra is not a dragon summoner
Junkrat did not bring Roadhog to life with the spark that Mercy gave him
feral lintel
hmm, maybe consider not shitposting in here
pure kernel
iron plume
yeah that wasn't roadhog that was genji
peak escarp
what
iron plume
/s
cunning ledge
Party pls
feral lintel
blizzard sometimes puts cryptic hints into the game for the next hero, no?
anything pop up yet?
feral lintel
like, before hammond got added, they put in his room next to winston's at the lunar colony
peak escarp
we haven't gotten anything that obvious
iron plume
that was an unusual circumstance because the map was being reworked
they don't make big changes just as new hero teases
usually it's either minor or had been in the game for a while
feral lintel
or before sombra got added they had her "hack" various computer screens around maps
timid eagle
So far, there hasn't been anything added to any of the maps.
feral lintel
they could still, but who knows?
limpid agate
The only "obvious" hints
Are the Queen
Past that
I cant even find anything subtle
Bruce would be subtle if I believed Bruce had any chance
long ermine
theres fashion week on numbani, but thats an event not a hero
long ermine
tl;dr on bruce? never heard of them
timid eagle
Who's Bruce?
limpid agate
Roadhog's comic
long ermine
fashion omnic hero would be annoying to me, but i can see fashion week going okay
limpid agate
He is also in Hammond's origin trailer
feral lintel
bruce is a friend of roadhog's
long ermine
timing with paris fashion week
limpid agate
Hammond built Wrecking Ball in his garage, by the looks of things
timid eagle
Wonder if he knew who Hammond really was.
feral lintel
i wonder, then. does bruce know wrecking ball's piloted by a hamster?
long ermine
yes
peak escarp
possibly
limpid agate
Might be the only one
iron plume
he would have to
long ermine
why do we assume that hammond is so secretive?
long ermine
fair
timid eagle
To be honest, Hammond isn't the weirdest thing to happen in the Overwatch universe.
long ermine
just seems a bit random
timid eagle
Even then, they think he could be a mutant hamster.
feral lintel
not that law still exists in australia by that time, but hamsters are illegal there, funnily enough
subtle moss
Bruce would be a funny curveball but too similar to Torb.
long ermine
i thought their xenophobia towards omnics was just that, omnics
bc they live in an omnium
iron plume
yeah they blame omnics for how they live
there's not really a reason they'd hate a hamster
it'd be weird sure but it's not like junkertown is normal in any other capacity
peak escarp
maybe Hammond is secretive because if people found out he is a mutated hamster - and an escaped lab animal - they might want to lock him up and/or experiment on him
iron plume
sure if he'd ended up in somewhere scientifically inclined or a place that could contact Lucheng
but by that logic Junkertown is just about the best place for him to be open
timid eagle
True.
iron plume
they'd just go "heh this hamster is one big fella. well he sure knows how to pilot a mech and bruce says he's alright, so, cool"
timid eagle
Everyone loves Bruce.
timid eagle
Well, it seems he can trust Bruce with his secret.
peak escarp
also, Hammond didn't tell Winston he was tagging along
he probably didn't tell the junkers he was a hamster
maybe he just likes dramatic reveals?
long ermine
maybe but thats not what i was asking
timid eagle
Still, it makes you wonder how people could trust a globe-shape robot if the pilot doesn't reveal him/herself.
long ermine
i said why do we assume he is secretive, like is it actually said anywhere that he keeps his identity a secret
peak escarp
"Hammond modified his escape pod to enter the lucrative mech battle arena of the Scrapyard. Working his way up the ranks, "Wrecking Ball" went from contender to champion, though the pilot's identity remained a mystery to all."
from his bio
long ermine
ahhh okay
peak escarp
sometimes we get so caught up in speculative answers that we forget to give the facts first
timid eagle
We also have to keep in mind that the bio's are from the characters POV.
peak escarp
are they?
timid eagle
In the case for Junkrat, his bio differed when he meet Roadhog from his comic.
peak escarp
his bio was written before the comic
timid eagle
Yes, but I recall Michael Chu said that the character's bios are from their POV.
peak escarp
"Though few knew the nature of what he found, he was nonetheless pursued by bounty hunters, gangs, and opportunists wherever he went, until he made a deal with the Junker enforcer Roadhog, who grudgingly agreed to be his personal bodyguard in exchange for a fifty-fifty share of the spoils."
seems pretty accurate to the comic to me
the bio doesn't say how he made the deal
long ermine
lol now im imagining everyone in junkertown knowing hammond is hammond but hammond thinking its all a big mystery
peak escarp
Reaper's is definitely not from his POV
the bios are more from a limited-omnicient 3rd person perspective
feral lintel
sombra's bio would be blank if it was written from her perspective
errant void
Okay, so, what is everyone's opinions on Sombra's "real name"? I don't think Olivia is her real name, but is actually a fake identity of hers
long ermine
its sombra, i think she'd be more arrogant if it was a fake personality
she's genuinely shocked though
timid eagle
She's also a compulsive liar.
So, it's hard to say what she says is the truth or not.